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[2015-12-14 15:23:00] sleger : Again another argument in favor of auto deleveraging (so many...) : we all agree leverage is more risky when there is high vol. Well if you keep a big open position in high vol market you should be more penalized if someone gets liquidated and cant be executed in market. DPE penalizes everyone the same even if they had closed all their positions before the move.
[2015-12-14 15:23:25] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1143 @ 448.37
[2015-12-14 15:25:24] habibi : coinbase should be delisted from tradeblock
[2015-12-14 15:25:25] habibi : lel :D
[2015-12-14 15:25:52] podizzle3k : i dont see the problem as long as the trades are legitimate
[2015-12-14 15:26:51] habibi : 10 dollars spikes
[2015-12-14 15:26:57] habibi : in minute candles
[2015-12-14 15:26:58] habibi : over and over
[2015-12-14 15:26:59] habibi : yea
[2015-12-14 15:27:37] podizzle3k : haha not quite $10
[2015-12-14 15:27:39] podizzle3k : more like $1
[2015-12-14 15:27:55] podizzle3k : oh wow now it is doing $10
[2015-12-14 15:27:59] podizzle3k : im about to get in on this
[2015-12-14 15:28:44] sleger : coinbase are not nice, they want commissions ok but they could shut down the client that is obviously not aware of whats going on
[2015-12-14 15:29:06] podizzle3k : nah
[2015-12-14 15:29:14] podizzle3k : reverse the trades too why not
[2015-12-14 15:29:19] podizzle3k : i say let it rock
[2015-12-14 15:29:23] podizzle3k : give them a call maybe
[2015-12-14 15:29:44] habibi : podizzle3k: yea sorry, 9.24$ not 10
[2015-12-14 15:30:11] habibi : people already withdrawing profits from coinbase so fuck them ;p
[2015-12-14 15:30:54] sleger : podizzle3k: how many conf they require to deposit btc ?
[2015-12-14 15:31:04] podizzle3k : no clue
[2015-12-14 15:34:45] sleger : oh well i never finished the ID process there, so I just hope rapidtrades will bring his new bot over here soon
[2015-12-14 15:35:23] laisee : looks awesome, bulldozer on a fixed schedule.
[2015-12-14 15:35:58] podizzle3k : up to 21.73% weight
[2015-12-14 15:37:45] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 615 @ 447.65
[2015-12-14 15:45:27] j8 : podizzle3k: that's 24 hour avg, it's up to 80%, check the hourly chart
[2015-12-14 15:45:58] podizzle3k : yeah but the 24hr futures here uses 24hr avg right?
[2015-12-14 15:46:13] podizzle3k : by tomorrow it will be close to 80% then
[2015-12-14 15:46:46] laisee : seems like coinbase devs finally got the willy bot working
[2015-12-14 15:47:06] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 6 @ 446.24
[2015-12-14 15:47:06] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 3574 @ 446.59
[2015-12-14 15:47:26] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 4 @ 445.72
[2015-12-14 15:47:26] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 497 @ 445.63
[2015-12-14 15:47:26] REKT : HODL HODL HODL
[2015-12-14 15:47:40] SnackyCoins : lol
[2015-12-14 15:47:43] SnackyCoins : hoobs hoobin
[2015-12-14 15:47:51] SnackyCoins : cheap coinz guyze
[2015-12-14 15:47:51] podizzle3k : lol rektbot
[2015-12-14 15:51:59] TschavaTschigger : https://blog.coinbase.com/2015/12/08/coinbase-exchange-introduces-volume-based-rebates/
[2015-12-14 15:53:39] BitMEX_Sam : Well, we know who's getting 0.1%
[2015-12-14 15:58:01] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: btw, @auth via msg... typical 3am brainfart, passed nonce as String to my jsonwrapper ;)
[2015-12-14 15:58:15] BitMEX_Sam : Ah - thanks for the update
[2015-12-14 16:03:40] laisee : @RektBitmex to see liquidations via twitter feed
[2015-12-14 16:05:10] podizzle3k : not much of a rebate if youre paying .1% on half a million $ of losing trades
[2015-12-14 16:05:22] podizzle3k : but im paying .1% instead of .25% !
[2015-12-14 16:05:29] laisee : !!
[2015-12-14 16:05:31] podizzle3k : btw looks like the coinbase bot party is over. bummer
[2015-12-14 16:05:42] BitMEX_Arthur : Someone fucked up hard
[2015-12-14 16:05:53] BitMEX_Arthur : Amazing it went on for so many hours
[2015-12-14 16:06:38] TschavaTschigger : maybe some bot takes fee structure into account when placing orders and the change fukked something up hard
[2015-12-14 16:07:48] BitMEX_Arthur : But then why would it be so aggressive
[2015-12-14 16:07:53] BitMEX_Arthur : someone was obviously trading across the spread
[2015-12-14 16:08:39] podizzle3k : a very very expensive mistake in bot logic
[2015-12-14 16:08:48] BitMEX_Sam : Whoa
[2015-12-14 16:08:54] BitMEX_Sam : Just saw about 40 executions hit cb
[2015-12-14 16:08:56] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 2413 @ 448.32
[2015-12-14 16:09:03] BitMEX_Sam : Looks like the engine is constipated
[2015-12-14 16:09:07] podizzle3k : wow
[2015-12-14 16:09:14] podizzle3k : it spiked
[2015-12-14 16:10:25] laisee : maybe engine is 'confused' and bot is 'aggressive', but stupid'
[2015-12-14 16:12:48] podizzle3k : coinbase exchange trying out their new bots http://i.imgur.com/i5fEkjg.gifv
[2015-12-14 16:14:09] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: btw, connection quality still "bad"
[2015-12-14 16:14:35] TschavaTschigger : I haven't had any disconnects anymore though
[2015-12-14 16:14:45] wurstgelee : no disconnects, yep
[2015-12-14 16:14:54] wurstgelee : oh, it just turned green
[2015-12-14 16:14:55] wurstgelee : nvm
[2015-12-14 16:14:56] wurstgelee : oO
[2015-12-14 16:18:20] habibi : podizzle3k: i would say rather this http://media1.onsugar.com/files/2013/06/17/777/n/1922283/4b335bba7661873b_make_it_rain.xxxlarge.gif
[2015-12-14 16:18:45] podizzle3k : haha yea
[2015-12-14 16:20:48] podizzle3k : it looks like that bot activity was altering the price on coinbase wallet site as well
[2015-12-14 16:20:54] podizzle3k : so maybe someone was trying to abuse that
[2015-12-14 16:21:10] wurstgelee : lol @ coinbase=tradeblock index now
[2015-12-14 16:21:12] wurstgelee : :/
[2015-12-14 16:21:24] BitMEX_Sam : Something very strange going on, I wouldn't say 100% that it was unintentional from the bot's perspective
[2015-12-14 16:21:31] BitMEX_Sam : Maybe we'll get a postmortem
[2015-12-14 16:21:34] podizzle3k : pump the wallet price with small order on the exchange then sell large amount on the wallet
[2015-12-14 16:21:37] podizzle3k : and vice versa
[2015-12-14 16:21:45] wurstgelee : >80% now...
[2015-12-14 16:22:11] podizzle3k : all that matters is 24hr weight
[2015-12-14 16:22:17] wurstgelee : yep, almost all
[2015-12-14 16:22:22] podizzle3k : its at 23 and will go down from here considering its over
[2015-12-14 16:22:29] BitMEX_Sam : Let me pull some live rates and see where they're at now
[2015-12-14 16:22:30] podizzle3k : probably back to around 15 by settlement
[2015-12-14 16:22:48] wurstgelee : 165,910 24 h volume
[2015-12-14 16:22:52] wurstgelee : sick
[2015-12-14 16:22:58] BitMEX_Sam : Insanity. That's about 20x where they should be
[2015-12-14 16:23:20] wurstgelee : that seriously fucks up the index
[2015-12-14 16:24:14] BitMEX_Sam : Live CB weighting is 79%
[2015-12-14 16:24:19] BitMEX_Sam : 15% finex
[2015-12-14 16:24:20] wurstgelee : imo they should do something about that....
[2015-12-14 16:24:34] BitMEX_Sam : Agreed, I don't think they anticipated weighting going wrong in the other direction
[2015-12-14 16:24:41] wurstgelee : manually deweight or whatever
[2015-12-14 16:24:44] BitMEX_Sam : Thankfully the price isn't an outlier right now
[2015-12-14 16:24:49] wurstgelee : yep
[2015-12-14 16:24:57] sleger : yeah exactly its at 445 so doesnt matter
[2015-12-14 16:25:00] BitMEX_Sam : Although it would start to deweight if it were
[2015-12-14 16:25:22] sleger : funny i said 2 hours ago that it would be better to just use fixed weighting of some exchanges like the other platforms do...
[2015-12-14 16:25:22] wurstgelee : depends how they're algortihm works.
[2015-12-14 16:25:37] sleger : wurstgelee: they're = they are
[2015-12-14 16:25:53] wurstgelee : if they include volume when determining what should be deweighted, everyone else would get deweighted when moving away from cb
[2015-12-14 16:25:55] podizzle3k : well if they can continue to do that volume all day every day they should be 80% of the weight
[2015-12-14 16:26:14] wurstgelee : sleger: yes i know ffs
[2015-12-14 16:26:16] wurstgelee : typo
[2015-12-14 16:26:19] wurstgelee : thanks for correcting me oO
[2015-12-14 16:27:04] podizzle3k : i think the issue is that volume is predicated upon the trading fees. 0% fees vs 5% fees and you will have massively different volume #s
[2015-12-14 16:28:05] laisee : vol s/be weighted for effective fees (all fees) per exchange
[2015-12-14 16:28:06] wurstgelee : probably a good idea to base weighting on fees
[2015-12-14 16:28:16] wurstgelee : less fess -> smaller weight
[2015-12-14 16:28:28] podizzle3k : coinbase #3 volume worldwide. maybe its coinbase exchange trading its own coins (no fees) so they can have that headline today
[2015-12-14 16:28:33] podizzle3k : good thinking wurst
[2015-12-14 16:28:39] BitMEX_Sam : Maybe an investor meeting? :p
[2015-12-14 16:28:55] BitMEX_Arthur : Andreseen wasn't happy
[2015-12-14 16:28:57] BitMEX_Arthur : Said PUMP IT
[2015-12-14 16:29:05] podizzle3k : pump the volume
[2015-12-14 16:29:24] podizzle3k : chinas making us look bad with their billion btc volumes
[2015-12-14 16:29:25] BitMEX_Arthur : You gotta PUMP IT UP!
[2015-12-14 16:29:27] wurstgelee : anyways, leaving work, going home
[2015-12-14 16:29:29] wurstgelee : bbl
[2015-12-14 16:29:53] habibi : buy bread pls
[2015-12-14 16:29:59] laisee : pump up the volume
[2015-12-14 16:30:12] BitMEX_Arthur : pump up the jam
[2015-12-14 16:30:54] podizzle3k : jock jams volume 2
[2015-12-14 16:31:36] podizzle3k : owner of that bot now crumpled into fetal position weeping
[2015-12-14 16:32:47] podizzle3k : test
[2015-12-14 16:33:09] podizzle3k : hey sam can you restart irc chatbot when you get a chance
[2015-12-14 16:33:30] haxmb : my chat isnt working
[2015-12-14 16:33:47] podizzle3k : haxmb its delayed. someone's bot is misbehaving and causing lag
[2015-12-14 16:34:06] podizzle3k : i guess
[2015-12-14 16:34:46] haxmb : ok
[2015-12-14 16:34:54] haxmb : BitMEX_Arthur: i have a question :)
[2015-12-14 16:35:17] haxmb : The .BXT index is the pure XBX as displayed on the tradeblock.com or is it a different weight
[2015-12-14 16:36:27] podizzle3k : haxmb did you read what it says when you hover over the grey number?
[2015-12-14 16:36:37] podizzle3k : kinda explains it
[2015-12-14 16:50:06] podizzle3k : to... the....
[2015-12-14 16:50:44] podizzle3k : mewwwwwwwwwwwwn ┗(°0°)┛
[2015-12-14 16:51:27] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1000 @ 451.24
[2015-12-14 16:56:01] podizzle3k : back to goblin town
[2015-12-14 16:56:23] j8 : to the meme!
[2015-12-14 17:09:05] podizzle3k : i want the shorts to be liquidated so bad that even the hottest water with the best detergent couldnt bring them back
[2015-12-14 17:09:49] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah I need to do some tweaking to the irc bot, it's not been robust lately
[2015-12-14 17:10:01] BitMEX_Sam : I believe there's been some connection failures on freenode's end
[2015-12-14 17:11:15] habibi : change node to kornbluth.freenode.net, best one imho when all others get dc
[2015-12-14 17:11:32] BitMEX_Sam : Just going to work some reconnection logic into it
[2015-12-14 17:11:38] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks for the node recommendation
[2015-12-14 17:17:40] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: you wrote the sample MM bot ?
[2015-12-14 17:25:33] BitMEX_Sam : Based on an old Gox bot but modified heavily
[2015-12-14 17:27:28] sleger : it is very well written, good safety/reconnect etc, excellent tool for wannabe algo traders, congrats
[2015-12-14 17:32:06] podizzle3k : hmm i like this slow gradual price rise
[2015-12-14 17:32:23] podizzle3k : probably be wiped out in 1 5m okcoin candle
[2015-12-14 17:33:25] wurstgelee : re
[2015-12-14 17:36:15] wurstgelee : sample MM bot?
[2015-12-14 18:04:47] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: https://github.com/BitMEX/market-maker
[2015-12-14 18:06:06] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: thanks! ;)
[2015-12-14 18:06:27] BitMEX_Sam : It's a platform, I wouldn't recommend using it wholesale but you get full REST and WebSocket data for free with it
[2015-12-14 18:06:49] BitMEX_Sam : So it's just up to you as a user to figure out your strategy and implement it, without having to worry about how to get the data you need, sign API requests, etc
[2015-12-14 18:07:39] wurstgelee : yep, thats what i figured. hence the "sample" in the name ;)
[2015-12-14 18:08:03] wurstgelee : im probably not using and anyway, maybe toying around with it a bit when i have some spare time and motivation ;)
[2015-12-14 18:08:08] wurstgelee : *and=it
[2015-12-14 18:08:18] BitMEX_Sam : Sure - it's good fun on testnet anyway with the basic strategy
[2015-12-14 18:08:35] BitMEX_Sam : We use it for load testing sometimes, blanket the market with the mm then we use another bot to just start eating up orders
[2015-12-14 18:09:59] wurstgelee : makes sense :)
[2015-12-14 18:10:40] BitMEX_Sam : The testnet market is so naive, you could probably make some good T&btc; on it
[2015-12-14 18:11:30] wurstgelee : yes, some guy who didnt trade margin ever before made 30-40 btc easily in 2 or 3 days
[2015-12-14 18:12:21] wurstgelee : back when it went parabolic up to 500 tho, so probably extra easy
[2015-12-14 18:15:14] sleger : If I were an ass I would argue that the same is true for the live market, so since I am an ass I can say it : live market is so naive :)
[2015-12-14 18:15:27] BitMEX_Sam : I believe it
[2015-12-14 18:15:36] sleger : that I am an ass ?
[2015-12-14 18:15:39] sleger : :p
[2015-12-14 18:15:39] BitMEX_Sam : Ahahaha
[2015-12-14 18:15:42] wurstgelee : both ;)
[2015-12-14 18:15:43] BitMEX_Sam : No comment.
[2015-12-14 18:15:52] wurstgelee : well, bots are naive, so is the market ;)
[2015-12-14 18:18:40] TschavaTschigger : if even some random noob-coder like me can make +pnl on live, then yes... it's naive in fact
[2015-12-14 18:42:53] TschavaTschigger : I guess even rapid can make a profitable bot here
[2015-12-14 18:47:18] sleger : LOL
[2015-12-14 18:55:18] TschavaTschigger : just encouraging him to bot on bitmex so we get free bitcoi.... uhm i mean satoshis
[2015-12-14 18:59:21] habibi : i think bitmex pays more for servers work by rapid than they gets from him in comision
[2015-12-14 18:59:46] wurstgelee : especially when he starts hammering the orderbooks with 1 contract orders
[2015-12-14 19:00:18] TschavaTschigger : well, we don't even know if he is actually trading here or just spamming in the trollbox
[2015-12-14 19:00:48] habibi : even more then
[2015-12-14 19:00:55] habibi : no commision and still some work to do by servers
[2015-12-14 19:00:56] wurstgelee : only costs then :)
[2015-12-14 19:01:00] wurstgelee : yep
[2015-12-14 19:01:25] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: bankruptcy inc?
[2015-12-14 19:01:52] habibi : i think that was the main reason for eventually banning him from chat
[2015-12-14 19:01:59] BitMEX_Sam : We didn't actually ban him.
[2015-12-14 19:02:12] habibi : yep but it was close to
[2015-12-14 19:02:27] BitMEX_Sam : I was going to, for his language, but had a call come in right before I did, and he disappeared right then for days
[2015-12-14 19:02:34] BitMEX_Sam : So I didn't get around to it, tbh
[2015-12-14 19:03:01] habibi : next time he ll come with friends.. overloaded servers and still no commision :p
[2015-12-14 19:03:44] BitMEX_Sam : Servers are doing fine - no issues, we fixed what was causing slow conns yesterday
[2015-12-14 19:05:05] habibi : no offence, rapid jokes here
[2015-12-14 19:05:19] habibi : almost as good as rapid trades
[2015-12-14 19:09:07] podizzle3k : here i'll make up for what we're missing from rapidtrades
[2015-12-14 19:09:20] podizzle3k : $4 premium wow keep buying b1tches!
[2015-12-14 19:09:27] podizzle3k : more money for me when the dump comes
[2015-12-14 19:10:07] podizzle3k : now we just need to find floopfloop
[2015-12-14 19:10:24] justinlooking : *flips you off
[2015-12-14 19:10:31] podizzle3k : haha i forgot about that
[2015-12-14 19:10:38] wurstgelee : what can possibly go wrong?
[2015-12-14 19:10:45] wurstgelee : *was missing :)
[2015-12-14 19:19:25] justinlooking : i miss him
[2015-12-14 19:19:52] justinlooking : my fav quote is when he told someone they were calling the cattle black
[2015-12-14 19:30:17] habibi : btw micmix is away for few days
[2015-12-14 19:42:08] sleger : justinlooking: that was me he told that too
[2015-12-14 19:42:43] justinlooking : bless his little cotton socks
[2015-12-14 19:42:46] sleger : I like micmix but his bot underdelivers
[2015-12-14 19:43:37] podizzle3k : he offers the source?
[2015-12-14 19:45:09] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 5210 @ 449.10
[2015-12-14 19:46:21] BitMEX_Sam : We'll be adding live liquidation feeds soon
[2015-12-14 19:46:39] BitMEX_Sam : As well as proper history
[2015-12-14 19:46:42] podizzle3k : what was that rekt twitter feed?
[2015-12-14 19:46:46] podizzle3k : anyone remember
[2015-12-14 19:46:58] BitMEX_Sam : https://twitter.com/RektBitmex
[2015-12-14 19:47:00] podizzle3k : thx
[2015-12-14 19:47:04] BitMEX_Sam : There's also Whalecalls for other exchanges
[2015-12-14 19:49:20] podizzle3k : yeah i follow whalecalls already
[2015-12-14 19:49:57] podizzle3k : hmm new star trek isnt by jj abrams. probably wont be good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRVD32rnzOw
[2015-12-14 19:50:49] wurstgelee : jj abrams sold it, he's done with sw
[2015-12-14 19:51:03] wurstgelee : ah no
[2015-12-14 19:51:05] wurstgelee : forget that
[2015-12-14 19:51:07] wurstgelee : lol
[2015-12-14 19:51:12] wurstgelee : geroge lucas...
[2015-12-14 19:51:16] wurstgelee : george ffs
[2015-12-14 19:52:44] podizzle3k : ease off the mojitos
[2015-12-14 19:53:14] podizzle3k : yeah that trailer looks horrible
[2015-12-14 20:00:30] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 930 @ 447.91
[2015-12-14 20:06:37] podizzle3k : coinbase is not doing the mm bots any favors selling so cheap
[2015-12-14 20:07:11] podizzle3k : i think the coinbase bot guy is cashing out
[2015-12-14 20:07:14] podizzle3k : hes had it
[2015-12-14 20:13:10] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 386 @ 446.46
[2015-12-14 20:16:40] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 10000 @ 446.22
[2015-12-14 20:22:00] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 7500 @ 452.94
[2015-12-14 20:22:13] gouda : everyone is #rekt
[2015-12-14 20:22:55] donkey : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 10000 @ 446.22 that was me 8-)
[2015-12-14 20:23:34] habibi : use cross for such big positions
[2015-12-14 20:23:39] habibi : i mean.. use cross always
[2015-12-14 20:30:14] donkey : nah it was just a gamble with some change
[2015-12-14 20:31:44] justinlooking : punting hard
[2015-12-14 20:35:25] cataquil : thanks for the liquidity
[2015-12-14 20:41:40] gouda : nom nom nom nom
[2015-12-14 21:03:31] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 500 @ 448.89
[2015-12-14 21:04:02] cataquil : got that sell out
[2015-12-14 21:04:55] cataquil : whats the hardest part of patience, waiting for a dip.
[2015-12-14 21:06:19] justinlooking : moon ere'time
[2015-12-14 21:06:32] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-12-14 21:07:36] jesperf : wat is happening, every time I look away for 10 minutes something significant happens
[2015-12-14 21:08:35] TschavaTschigger : same here. watching 3 hours and nothing is going on. 10 minutes gone and boom. every. single. time.
[2015-12-14 21:19:25] cataquil : thats how btc market is. in other markets there are fast sudden moves, but you always here the reason for em...whether a fat finger or other
[2015-12-14 21:52:21] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 971 @ 448.74
[2015-12-14 21:53:41] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 4567 @ 448.27
[2015-12-14 22:09:45] sleger : TschavaTschigger: please let us know when you walk away
[2015-12-14 22:11:04] sleger : Question : on Friday, do we have a new weekly contract ?
[2015-12-14 22:11:23] wurstgelee : sleger: y shouldnt we?
[2015-12-14 22:11:43] sleger : wurstgelee: what do you think its maturity date would be ?
[2015-12-14 22:12:05] wurstgelee : 26th?
[2015-12-14 22:12:13] justinlooking : same as Z
[2015-12-14 22:12:14] wurstgelee : oh no
[2015-12-14 22:12:16] wurstgelee : 25th
[2015-12-14 22:12:21] j8 : in the past there's still been a weekly even though it has the same expiry
[2015-12-14 22:12:23] sleger : exactly so ...
[2015-12-14 22:12:30] sleger : j8: ok thanks
[2015-12-14 22:12:41] wurstgelee : there are also dailies ond weekly settlement...
[2015-12-14 22:12:47] sleger : pretty useless in my opinion
[2015-12-14 22:12:50] wurstgelee : y should it be different?
[2015-12-14 22:12:52] j8 : i wish they would combine in that case.
[2015-12-14 22:13:11] wurstgelee : different time weighting
[2015-12-14 22:13:19] sleger : yes of course that would make total sense, just create the new weekly on thursday (so a +8 days contract)
[2015-12-14 22:13:43] sleger : wurstgelee: "wurstgelee: different time weighting" yes but who cares. Leverage is also different
[2015-12-14 22:14:16] wurstgelee : yes..i dont get why settlement on same day for different contract types are a problem to even think about :)
[2015-12-14 22:14:22] wurstgelee : *is
[2015-12-14 22:14:34] j8 : weekly and longer all have the same time weighting. the only difference is lever
[2015-12-14 22:14:42] sleger : wurstgelee: liquidity split
[2015-12-14 22:14:56] justinlooking : 24h is only one with different time weighting
[2015-12-14 22:15:27] wurstgelee : we always have liquidity split
[2015-12-14 22:15:34] wurstgelee : not only on settlement days
[2015-12-14 22:15:57] sleger : yes but it makes sense to have 1day, 7 days, 1-3 months etc...
[2015-12-14 22:16:07] justinlooking : i wonder if we'll get a jan. i don't think we got a nov
[2015-12-14 22:16:15] sleger : but having 1 day, 1 week, 1 week, 3 months...
[2015-12-14 22:16:43] wurstgelee : i get your point, i dont see it as a problem though
[2015-12-14 22:17:02] sleger : if you combine, more liquidity
[2015-12-14 22:17:17] j8 : it's a problem for all the holders of `Z15` if the market disappears in the last week
[2015-12-14 22:17:18] wurstgelee : yes ofc, still no problem imo
[2015-12-14 22:18:09] wurstgelee : j8: thats not because of split liquidity imo but because settlement gets closer, therefore less speculation etc
[2015-12-14 22:18:15] wurstgelee : -> less liquidity
[2015-12-14 22:18:37] wurstgelee : same happens every day close to 12:00 utc
[2015-12-14 22:18:43] wurstgelee : hardly andy liquidity in the last hour
[2015-12-14 22:18:46] wurstgelee : any
[2015-12-14 22:18:50] sleger : whatever your opinion is, creating a brand new contract that has the same expiry as an existing one is a weird idea
[2015-12-14 22:19:13] wurstgelee : opinions are like assholes...everyone has them ;)
[2015-12-14 22:19:13] j8 : of course it's worse because of split liquidity. there's no reason for new people to trade `Z15` when there's a weekly with higher leverage
[2015-12-14 22:20:41] sleger : wurstgelee: i dont know if it s a good thing but someone already wants to share my asshole, yours is alone so far :p
[2015-12-14 22:21:04] wurstgelee : haha =)
[2015-12-14 22:21:10] wurstgelee : im fine with that
[2015-12-14 22:24:31] j8 : i think they had fixed contract symbols first, then they added relisting contracts, and it's a detail that sort of slipped through
[2015-12-14 22:25:32] wurstgelee : ask them if its on purpose or not. i guess it is :)
[2015-12-14 22:25:50] wurstgelee : purpose might be the wrong word, but i dont think it slipped through
[2015-12-14 22:26:04] j8 : the one justification i've heard is they have different leverage.
[2015-12-14 22:26:24] sleger : yes but i think the benefit is far less than the disadvantage
[2015-12-14 22:26:34] j8 : i agree
[2015-12-14 22:26:42] wurstgelee : and we are back to assholes ;)
[2015-12-14 22:27:35] justinlooking : what are you proposing slege?
[2015-12-14 22:27:56] justinlooking : don't list a weekly on Friday, just keep Z15?
[2015-12-14 22:28:57] wurstgelee : yes, if i didnt get him wrong
[2015-12-14 22:29:25] justinlooking : well shouldn't the 7d become a 24h at some point too then... it's admittedly a more conventional way of "doing" futures
[2015-12-14 22:29:45] wurstgelee : nope, different leverage, different settlement
[2015-12-14 22:30:13] justinlooking : yeh
[2015-12-14 22:33:14] sleger : justinlooking: 24h is a bit of a different animal due to extreme leverage, and 7d and 24h have decent liquidity, the other contracts not at all
[2015-12-14 22:35:09] j8 : it would be pretty ugly to not list the `7D` symbol, for charts etc. the other option is to have your `Z15` contracts become `7D`, which also seems like a big change in terms of accounting
[2015-12-14 22:36:00] sleger : j8: that is what 0kcoin does
[2015-12-14 22:38:04] j8 : yeah, that's one thing they did right.
[2015-12-14 22:38:08] justinlooking : sleger: that's where i think listing spreads as separate contracts with quoting and matching on implied prices (ala interest rates) would help a lot with liquidity in the further contracts
[2015-12-14 22:38:29] micmix : sleger : I like micmix but his bot underdelivers
[2015-12-14 22:38:53] micmix : not enough liquidations for you sleger? :-)
[2015-12-14 22:39:53] sleger : micmix: no the quoting bot, it went away ?
[2015-12-14 22:40:18] sleger : justinlooking: In theory I agree, however I think the liquidity would be very small and most people would not understand
[2015-12-14 22:40:54] micmix : no, it was here all the time. 95/91 ATM it's me
[2015-12-14 22:41:19] sleger : why not x10 already ? at least 1k contract no ?
[2015-12-14 22:41:56] micmix : didn't get permission yet, still in test mode :-(
[2015-12-14 22:42:55] sleger : tough crowd !
[2015-12-14 22:43:07] rapidtrades : micmix: hey how's it goin? want to get into bot coding...c++ or python?
[2015-12-14 22:43:23] justinlooking : LMAO
[2015-12-14 22:43:57] laisee : rapidtrades: > u coded b4?
[2015-12-14 22:44:09] sleger : justinlooking: dont know about LMAO language, did you mean VBA maybe ?
[2015-12-14 22:44:16] j8 : ah, good to have you back rapidtrades. do python
[2015-12-14 22:44:35] habibi : rapidtrades: best ones are written in php
[2015-12-14 22:45:35] sleger : Mine is written in powerpoint, it's a bit slow though
[2015-12-14 22:45:39] thebigmac : ding
[2015-12-14 22:45:39] gielbier : dong
[2015-12-14 22:45:39] uiop : dump it
[2015-12-14 22:45:39] thebigmac : pump it
[2015-12-14 22:45:39] podizzler3k_ : test
[2015-12-14 22:45:55] laisee : rapidtrades: > scratch is good start if u dont code yrt
[2015-12-14 22:46:36] wurstgelee : wtf, real crowded here now
[2015-12-14 22:46:54] wurstgelee : rapidtrades bringing the audience back
[2015-12-14 22:47:05] wurstgelee : did he call top already?
[2015-12-14 22:48:18] laisee : wurstgelee: > it's all about the cintent, and the fans.
[2015-12-14 22:48:40] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-12-14 22:53:05] j8 : wtf anyone have issues cancelling orders right now?
[2015-12-14 22:54:26] wurstgelee : no open orderss i could cancel
[2015-12-14 22:54:27] wurstgelee : sec
[2015-12-14 22:54:49] wurstgelee : nope, works
[2015-12-14 22:56:09] haxmb : admin?
[2015-12-14 22:56:43] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah?
[2015-12-14 22:56:55] BitMEX_Sam : Oh wow. I see it. Hold on
[2015-12-14 22:57:19] j8 : Unhandled rejection b: Invalid value for argument 'orderID' of type 'string'. Received type was converted to object.
[2015-12-14 22:57:30] BitMEX_Sam : Yes. Please use the API explorer if you must cancel now
[2015-12-14 22:57:32] BitMEX_Sam : We will patch immediately
[2015-12-14 22:57:46] j8 : the cancel all buttons work.
[2015-12-14 22:57:54] BitMEX_Sam : Good! Thanks for that
[2015-12-14 22:58:09] wurstgelee : i created a new order and could cancel it,
[2015-12-14 22:58:23] wurstgelee : bc i didnt reload for quite a while maybe?
[2015-12-14 22:58:48] j8 : refresh for the broken version :)
[2015-12-14 22:59:03] wurstgelee : yep ;)
[2015-12-14 23:07:36] micmix : rapidtrades: Hi rapid! Serious answerto your question: Definitely use python, C++ is really hard to start with. If you can find something that doesn't require programming like Haasbot it's even better. BitMEX_Sam made very good sample https://github.com/BitMEX/market-maker. It has everything you need, you just have to add your own strategy.
[2015-12-14 23:10:39] rapidtrades : micmix: tnx man
[2015-12-14 23:13:44] micmix : BTW, did you guys see Coinbase crazyness? I was away all day and got a text to check our balance on Coinbase. Logged in and HOLY CR@P!
[2015-12-14 23:14:09] habibi : micmix: did ur bot played on these waves?
[2015-12-14 23:14:24] cataquil : they have OTC
[2015-12-14 23:14:32] micmix : Our MM made more in one day than in 2 previous month!
[2015-12-14 23:14:49] j8 : that's awesome... i figured people must be making a killing
[2015-12-14 23:14:49] haxmb : micmix what scale we talking about
[2015-12-14 23:15:02] haxmb : $10,000+ ?
[2015-12-14 23:15:10] micmix : haxmb: can't say, sorry
[2015-12-14 23:15:36] haxmb : oh are non -US customers allowed on coinbase yet?
[2015-12-14 23:15:37] habibi : rapidtrades ammount
[2015-12-14 23:15:48] j8 : not bad for an otherwise slow day of trading
[2015-12-14 23:16:27] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: Yeah I bet it was extremely profitable, pretty tight range but a ton of oscillation
[2015-12-14 23:16:29] BitMEX_Sam : perfect MM conditions
[2015-12-14 23:16:42] BitMEX_Sam : Order cancel bug is fixed, thanks guy for bringing that to my attention asap
[2015-12-14 23:17:11] jesperf : Do you have bug bounties yet?
[2015-12-14 23:17:56] micmix : yep, we get similar conditions on okc sometimes, but not for that long and not on that scale
[2015-12-14 23:18:12] rapidtrades : micmix: okc spot or futures
[2015-12-14 23:18:18] micmix : spot
[2015-12-14 23:18:26] micmix : BTC/CNY
[2015-12-14 23:18:31] BitMEX_Sam : jesperf: Us?
[2015-12-14 23:18:33] rapidtrades : don't trade that
[2015-12-14 23:18:42] BitMEX_Sam : https://cobalt.io/bitmex
[2015-12-14 23:18:57] rapidtrades : micmix: do u bot on USD
[2015-12-14 23:19:23] jesperf : BitMEX_Sam: yeah, that's what I meant :) good to know!
[2015-12-14 23:20:10] micmix : haxmb: coinbase exchange is available in UK, Canada and many US states
[2015-12-14 23:34:24] micmix : rapidtrades: we run different algos on most bitcoin exchanges
[2015-12-14 23:34:49] micmix : oops, I meant 'I run'
[2015-12-14 23:36:12] rapidtrades : :)
[2015-12-14 23:39:05] wurstgelee : ok, now i have that error on canceling orders too...
[2015-12-14 23:39:22] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: how is the fixing coming along? ;)
[2015-12-14 23:49:34] sleger : that's not a bug, it's a new feature to increase commissions :)
[2015-12-14 23:52:09] habibi : finex is finexing
[2015-12-14 23:52:19] habibi : i mean not working ;p
[2015-12-14 23:53:06] cataquil : and what happens to all the half XBT
[2015-12-14 23:54:52] cataquil : richard prior superman 3
[2015-12-14 23:57:20] wurstgelee : oh great, tradeblock index is 80% finex again :/
[2015-12-14 23:57:26] wurstgelee : *coinbase
[2015-12-14 23:57:30] wurstgelee : not finex
[2015-12-14 23:58:58] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: Try again - cleared it up
[2015-12-14 23:59:54] wurstgelee : no orders and no position. but thank you! ;)
[2015-12-15 00:01:11] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks for bearing with us :)
[2015-12-15 00:01:18] cataquil : hugh? does bitmex api give tradeblo
[2015-12-15 00:01:31] cataquil : exchange weighing?
[2015-12-15 00:02:19] cataquil : 42%
[2015-12-15 00:02:25] BitMEX_Sam : Not yet, but it will soon. We have the data and the permission to publish it.
[2015-12-15 00:02:43] cataquil : coinbase seems to come out of nowhere, it was bitfinex a few weeks ago
[2015-12-15 00:04:37] cataquil : seems like alot of volume is not being weighed if CNY exchanges are not being factored in
[2015-12-15 00:07:49] sleger : they just throw volume out of the window ?
[2015-12-15 00:07:58] sleger : that's not very nice
[2015-12-15 00:09:11] cataquil : well maybe they do it for charity
[2015-12-15 00:22:37] habibi : china is pumping
[2015-12-15 00:22:40] wurstgelee : yep
[2015-12-15 00:23:21] wurstgelee : market here disagrees tho oO
[2015-12-15 00:23:32] wurstgelee : ignorance is power or seomthing
[2015-12-15 00:23:33] cataquil : oh the irony
[2015-12-15 00:25:37] kingscrown : tiny advertisment from santa *<|:-).. just 24 more followers needed till 5k followers. If you dont follow me yet - fix that as xmas gift ;) https://twitter.com/kingscrownBTC on 5k followers i will be giving out gifts! *<|:-) *<|:-)
[2015-12-15 00:26:21] podizzle3k : ban
[2015-12-15 00:26:23] podizzle3k : ban santa
[2015-12-15 00:27:03] podizzler3k : kingscrown you know they cant see it in bitmex chat
[2015-12-15 00:27:07] podizzler3k : you have to be on irc
[2015-12-15 00:27:21] podizzler3k : santa's been censored
[2015-12-15 00:27:32] wurstgelee : when exactly did we start to ignore china's pumps here? :p
[2015-12-15 00:28:16] justinlooking : when we go uncomfortably long and want to go to sleep
[2015-12-15 00:28:16] irbbqu : Short it!
[2015-12-15 00:28:18] irbbqu : Now is time to shortlelel
[2015-12-15 00:28:24] wurstgelee : lol :D
[2015-12-15 00:28:34] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 16 @ 451.15
[2015-12-15 00:28:39] wurstgelee : justinlooking: i know that. want to go to bed too
[2015-12-15 00:28:47] irbbqu : Kill it, kill da prwemiums!
[2015-12-15 00:28:47] wurstgelee : had to do a tactical fomo tho :/
[2015-12-15 00:29:34] irbbqu : 450 will hod
[2015-12-15 00:30:26] TschavaTschigger : shit about to go crazy... because I am going to bed
[2015-12-15 00:30:30] TschavaTschigger : cya tomorrow folks
[2015-12-15 00:30:43] wurstgelee : good night ;)
[2015-12-15 00:30:43] justinlooking : lol nn
[2015-12-15 00:31:09] justinlooking : 450 coincides 3000 psych resistance
[2015-12-15 00:32:02] irbbqu : bfx margin longs getting heavier, probably BTFD will suffer sometime soon I reckon.
[2015-12-15 00:33:04] irbbqu : Still eyeing that okc gap @3030 ^^
[2015-12-15 00:33:14] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 3700 @ 451.89
[2015-12-15 00:34:04] wurstgelee : if someone wakes up coinbase, we can go higher....
[2015-12-15 00:34:04] podizzle3k : okc gap @ 3030 wtf u talkin about
[2015-12-15 00:34:07] wurstgelee : :/
[2015-12-15 00:34:10] podizzle3k : their books dont even go that high
[2015-12-15 00:34:13] macios15 : pump sponsored by 2h sar
[2015-12-15 00:34:46] irbbqu : What is le gap
[2015-12-15 00:34:50] irbbqu : Can find on books??
[2015-12-15 00:34:54] podizzle3k : macios15 thats cute. but really its the ceres conjunction
[2015-12-15 00:35:32] wurstgelee : uranus! its all uranus!
[2015-12-15 00:38:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 262 @ 449.75
[2015-12-15 00:38:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 201 @ 448.97
[2015-12-15 00:38:57] wurstgelee : ok..now with negtative premium...
[2015-12-15 00:39:00] wurstgelee : oO
[2015-12-15 00:39:03] irbbqu : Hilarious haha
[2015-12-15 00:39:08] wurstgelee : oh, positive again
[2015-12-15 00:39:27] wurstgelee : glad we have shenenigans here as well
[2015-12-15 00:39:42] justinlooking : wurstgelee: that would be discount :P
[2015-12-15 00:39:51] wurstgelee : yes, lol
[2015-12-15 00:40:03] wurstgelee : i lobv like to overcomplicate things
[2015-12-15 00:40:29] micmix : BitMEX_Sam, if public API request is signed with an API key, does the request count toward account rate limit or IP rate limit?
[2015-12-15 00:45:24] wurstgelee : i dont get how the index can be lower than both finex and coinbase
[2015-12-15 00:45:31] wurstgelee : if those 2 are 98% of it
[2015-12-15 00:45:35] macios15 : rekt zone
[2015-12-15 00:45:43] wurstgelee : ooohoh...MC incoming
[2015-12-15 00:46:34] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 1000 @ 459.03
[2015-12-15 00:46:42] Swedishnut : mind control?
[2015-12-15 00:46:44] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 2000 @ 452.23
[2015-12-15 00:46:54] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 500 @ 461.24
[2015-12-15 00:46:59] wurstgelee : now thats a nice green dildo
[2015-12-15 00:47:02] wurstgelee : okc futures ;)
[2015-12-15 00:47:19] wurstgelee : also touched 3k
[2015-12-15 00:47:36] sleger : they forgot about a 2k wall ?
[2015-12-15 00:47:54] wurstgelee : they touched it ;)
[2015-12-15 00:47:59] wurstgelee : houbi did, the 3k
[2015-12-15 00:48:20] justinlooking : my ok.cn is fucked again
[2015-12-15 00:48:24] macios15 : lol it didint retrece jet
[2015-12-15 00:48:32] macios15 : gona try again
[2015-12-15 00:48:38] cataquil : 1/6th tp hit 435.5 chart took awhile to update off the orderboard
[2015-12-15 00:49:12] cataquil : many thanks 92 at 448
[2015-12-15 00:49:43] macios15 : walls loves to be eaten
[2015-12-15 00:50:17] cataquil : gotta prick them the dam
[2015-12-15 00:51:44] macios15 : no resistance above 3k
[2015-12-15 00:52:05] macios15 : could touch 3040 in spike
[2015-12-15 00:53:23] justinlooking : "up on an escalator, down in a lift"
[2015-12-15 00:55:21] wurstgelee : finex is higher or equal to xbt24h with premium oO
[2015-12-15 00:55:51] habibi : bots are coinbasing today
[2015-12-15 00:55:52] wurstgelee : i hate the fact that coinbase controls the index currently :|
[2015-12-15 00:55:53] habibi : here*
[2015-12-15 00:56:25] macios15 : fair price should be made by huobi
[2015-12-15 00:57:42] wurstgelee : 2980 getting some support
[2015-12-15 00:58:05] laisee : song of the day : "fly me to the moon"
[2015-12-15 01:00:26] justinlooking : that's about 50k been closed in last few mins
[2015-12-15 01:00:28] justinlooking : on 24h
[2015-12-15 01:00:48] justinlooking : hioefykky we can go bid now
[2015-12-15 01:00:50] justinlooking : hopefully
[2015-12-15 01:00:57] wurstgelee : still holding most of mine
[2015-12-15 01:01:00] thoth : 3010 volume cliff on okchy
[2015-12-15 01:01:08] wurstgelee : ups, now only half
[2015-12-15 01:01:10] wurstgelee : lol
[2015-12-15 01:01:58] cataquil : chinese wake up and keep us up all night riding their flow
[2015-12-15 01:02:15] wurstgelee : i wanted to go to bed early today
[2015-12-15 01:02:22] wurstgelee : was really tired at 11pm
[2015-12-15 01:02:24] wurstgelee : now 2 am :(
[2015-12-15 01:02:31] justinlooking : buy some more