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[2015-12-12 22:11:51] podizzler3k : personally i prefer this way without the price dumping $10s of dollars at a time due to cascading calls
[2015-12-12 22:11:53] BitMEX_Sam : You can't compare bitcoin markets to other markets in this way
[2015-12-12 22:11:59] podizzler3k : if you guys like bitvc i recommend trading there
[2015-12-12 22:12:10] sleger : i do, thanks
[2015-12-12 22:12:14] BitMEX_Sam : We are 24hrs, traditional markets are not. We offer more leverage. We cannot go after customers if their accounts go bankrupt.
[2015-12-12 22:12:19] habibi : what are the fees there podizzler3k?
[2015-12-12 22:12:24] BitMEX_Sam : It requires a completely different risk management system.
[2015-12-12 22:12:26] podizzler3k : no clue im satisfied
[2015-12-12 22:12:32] habibi : lel
[2015-12-12 22:23:34] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: I think u have a point, even if bitmex used market orders, the volatility from okc and other leveraged platforms would spill over
[2015-12-12 22:24:20] rapidtrades : we have to go after them as well, to try and change this stupid execution system and socialized losses
[2015-12-12 22:29:07] justinlooking : bull or bear rapid :D
[2015-12-12 22:36:08] habibi : hm bitvc has 0.03% comision on opening position/none on closing
[2015-12-12 22:36:20] habibi : seems like fees here are the highest :p
[2015-12-12 22:42:42] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 700 @ 438.11
[2015-12-12 22:47:32] 24hourz : BitMEX_Sam: I know yall have received a lot of flack for the socialized loss system etc. Just wanted to let yall know I understand why it is a needed evil in a system with such leverage without all the crazy go after customers with legal teams type of schemes that traditional markets have
[2015-12-12 22:48:26] 24hourz : keep doing yall. This exchange is one of the best both in ui and execution and deff my favorite. (not even mentioning the support which is grade A)
[2015-12-12 22:49:17] booey : 2nd that
[2015-12-12 22:49:49] Swedishnut : indeed Bitmex is good sauce
[2015-12-12 22:50:04] wurstgelee : 24hourz: +1
[2015-12-12 22:54:13] cekseh : here here
[2015-12-12 22:54:30] justinlooking : can dpe be exploited in the way previously discussed? I don't really get it
[2015-12-12 22:54:32] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 3900 @ 435.41
[2015-12-12 22:55:00] cekseh : The fees here a lower than anywhere else I've traded, so long as you don't fat finger market buy. Impatience will rekt you every time
[2015-12-12 22:55:18] wurstgelee : sometimes educated fomo is the way to go tho ;)
[2015-12-12 22:55:53] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks everyone - we do our best
[2015-12-12 22:56:01] BitMEX_Sam : cekseh: I have something for that, that will be deploying soon
[2015-12-12 22:56:26] cekseh : You have something for what?
[2015-12-12 22:57:50] BitMEX_Sam : Fat fingering
[2015-12-12 22:58:06] BitMEX_Sam : We have an additional confirmation dialog that will show up if you're going to execute too far into the market
[2015-12-12 22:58:20] BitMEX_Sam : And of course like all of them it can be disabled in preferences if it gets on your nerves.
[2015-12-12 23:02:39] cekseh : I wasn't implying that it was a bad thing, theres a time and place to fomo. =)
[2015-12-12 23:04:38] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-12-12 23:04:58] wurstgelee : yep, i misread
[2015-12-12 23:05:17] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: agree that liquidations orders should be executed deeper in the market. Instead of hoping for 0 dpe and one day getting 24% would much rather get 0-2% all the time
[2015-12-12 23:06:01] justinlooking : something to catch price typos would be very welcome
[2015-12-12 23:10:03] cekseh : When trading with money it is important to make sure you don't enter the wrong numbers, since numbers of rather important.
[2015-12-12 23:10:16] cekseh : Capt obvious to the rescue
[2015-12-12 23:10:19] cekseh : =D
[2015-12-12 23:10:39] wurstgelee : haha
[2015-12-12 23:12:07] habibi : i used to miss that few times cekseh:p
[2015-12-12 23:12:31] habibi : specially when clicking on orderbook to grab some number contracts and it rapidly changes
[2015-12-12 23:16:23] justinlooking : rektage incoming
[2015-12-12 23:16:51] wurstgelee : depends
[2015-12-12 23:16:56] wurstgelee : a short rektage
[2015-12-12 23:16:59] wurstgelee : yep, probably
[2015-12-12 23:17:30] wurstgelee : lol @ okc trading 20 above hu0bi
[2015-12-12 23:18:03] irbbqu : Must...MC...bottomshorts...
[2015-12-12 23:19:36] podizzler3k : no rektbot?
[2015-12-12 23:19:46] wurstgelee : seen i a few times
[2015-12-12 23:19:48] wurstgelee : no rekts probably
[2015-12-12 23:20:12] wurstgelee : haha, hu0bi clearly disagrees
[2015-12-12 23:24:17] wurstgelee : nice buys orders
[2015-12-12 23:27:38] habibi : again some big holder will fuck up dpe :p?
[2015-12-12 23:28:20] wurstgelee : well, not the right spot i think
[2015-12-12 23:28:31] wurstgelee : hes clearly down currently
[2015-12-12 23:28:43] habibi : depends he is fomo
[2015-12-12 23:28:45] habibi : or he knows
[2015-12-12 23:28:52] habibi : but i quess its fomo
[2015-12-12 23:28:59] habibi : too much fomo is bad
[2015-12-12 23:29:02] wurstgelee : yep
[2015-12-12 23:29:12] habibi : fomo like that can ruin nice
[2015-12-12 23:29:35] wurstgelee : i was tempted to sell into those buys, should have done it :/
[2015-12-12 23:29:47] habibi : i sold
[2015-12-12 23:29:49] habibi : opened short
[2015-12-12 23:29:55] habibi : close short 2 dollars lower
[2015-12-12 23:30:05] wurstgelee : yep, exactly ;)
[2015-12-12 23:30:08] habibi : just fomo counter things
[2015-12-12 23:30:38] wurstgelee : didnt know how to handle the 20 gap between okc and huobi
[2015-12-12 23:30:40] wurstgelee : so i didnt
[2015-12-12 23:33:36] zanza : good morning
[2015-12-12 23:33:51] habibi : evening here, heey
[2015-12-12 23:34:11] mrp1nk : out
[2015-12-12 23:34:21] habibi : too late
[2015-12-12 23:35:01] wurstgelee : damn, that would have been a good short ;)
[2015-12-12 23:36:43] habibi : yea, longing from 230 on march 25 would be good long too
[2015-12-12 23:36:47] habibi : but who known?
[2015-12-12 23:36:49] habibi : :p
[2015-12-12 23:36:54] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-12-12 23:37:35] wurstgelee : Cpt Hindsight is a good friend of Cpt.Obvious
[2015-12-12 23:37:50] habibi : cpt dreamer is in both these guys
[2015-12-12 23:38:13] wurstgelee : that sounds a little gay somehow
[2015-12-12 23:38:28] habibi : aka wish thinker
[2015-12-12 23:38:33] habibi : true
[2015-12-12 23:38:56] wurstgelee : still 10 CNY gap
[2015-12-12 23:38:59] wurstgelee : weird
[2015-12-12 23:39:22] habibi : okc leader
[2015-12-12 23:39:28] habibi : whale waiting for hobi
[2015-12-12 23:39:33] habibi : dont want to use own fiat to pump
[2015-12-12 23:39:38] habibi : so let people do it
[2015-12-12 23:39:43] wurstgelee : hu0bi doesnt play along so far
[2015-12-12 23:39:46] habibi : just a theory
[2015-12-12 23:40:00] macios15 : guys if we go up to 2950 we got nice upward canal
[2015-12-12 23:40:18] habibi : if we go up to 6300 we will go nice upward canal to 6301
[2015-12-12 23:40:20] habibi : wordd
[2015-12-12 23:40:30] macios15 : then break 3132-3345
[2015-12-12 23:40:33] wurstgelee : bull trend is not broken anyways imo
[2015-12-12 23:40:35] macios15 : and moon zone
[2015-12-12 23:41:00] zanza : wurstgelee: true, but people gunna get very jumpy once 3100 hits
[2015-12-12 23:41:09] zanza : (if it hits again)
[2015-12-12 23:41:12] macios15 : it looks more like eliot waves than clear pump
[2015-12-12 23:41:16] wurstgelee : will/should
[2015-12-12 23:41:39] habibi : anyway still double top with 2nd lower, bubble ended and so is possible as well, right?
[2015-12-12 23:41:39] zanza : yes the bull trend looks alive still
[2015-12-12 23:41:47] zanza : habibi: possible
[2015-12-12 23:42:05] wurstgelee : i like the trend intact theory more
[2015-12-12 23:42:07] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-12-12 23:42:13] habibi : just look at gox data after 1151 and look for same pattern now
[2015-12-12 23:42:13] zanza : 3340 is previous resistance
[2015-12-12 23:42:16] habibi : in smaller timeframe
[2015-12-12 23:44:42] psyfur : i think now its not a doubletop
[2015-12-12 23:45:00] psyfur : gonna look for a good long entry
[2015-12-12 23:45:01] sleger : thanks for bringing the price back up guys
[2015-12-12 23:45:11] wurstgelee : sleger: it was you right?
[2015-12-12 23:45:13] wurstgelee : the buys? :)
[2015-12-12 23:45:18] macios15 : range for this triangle is 2950-3k i think
[2015-12-12 23:45:21] macios15 : i mean breakout
[2015-12-12 23:45:26] wurstgelee : @ 442?
[2015-12-12 23:45:34] habibi : it was him :)
[2015-12-12 23:45:52] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1528 @ 440.45
[2015-12-12 23:45:53] wurstgelee : thougt that anyways ;)
[2015-12-12 23:45:59] wurstgelee : *h
[2015-12-12 23:46:09] sleger : no i was waiting to sell back higher than previous 24h settlement
[2015-12-12 23:46:34] habibi : so u still have ur contracts from previous 24 ? :D
[2015-12-12 23:46:39] wurstgelee : haha
[2015-12-12 23:47:12] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 14300 @ 442.52 <b>MEGA-REKT</b>
[2015-12-12 23:47:16] wurstgelee : "i refuse to pay the clawback, i keep my contracts."
[2015-12-12 23:47:22] habibi : lololol
[2015-12-12 23:47:30] wurstgelee : lolol
[2015-12-12 23:47:48] wurstgelee : mewn
[2015-12-12 23:47:52] habibi : sleger: close a bit of ur short on this.
[2015-12-12 23:48:12] macios15 : that premium
[2015-12-12 23:53:06] habibi : anyway sleger i wish u rekt, nothing personal just jealous u made too much money yesterday :)
[2015-12-12 23:53:21] habibi : peace bro !
[2015-12-12 23:55:09] sleger : wurstgelee: yes i need these 5btc back
[2015-12-12 23:55:48] habibi : hopefully u will need to get 15 btc back ;p
[2015-12-12 23:55:51] habibi : tomorrow :p
[2015-12-12 23:56:05] sleger : habibi: i was overall long 100btc during the crash. I said i was long 400-500btc before, then at 450-460 I said I reduced my long to 100-200, which I reduced again during the crash, then after settlement this am long 600btc, now 400btc
[2015-12-12 23:56:32] habibi : but u were safe even at the bottom of crash right?
[2015-12-12 23:56:48] sleger : oh yeah of course, I NEVER leverage more than 3-4x
[2015-12-12 23:56:53] habibi : i mean u opened it in majority under 400?
[2015-12-12 23:57:06] sleger : my long ? around 200-220
[2015-12-12 23:57:12] habibi : and u close ur position fast to close lost?
[2015-12-12 23:58:14] sleger : ? what that mean
[2015-12-12 23:58:39] habibi : what u do when u getting loss on position like if we drop to 435
[2015-12-12 23:59:06] sleger : i dont "lose" i just gave back part of profits
[2015-12-12 23:59:17] sleger : not sure I understand what you're saying...
[2015-12-12 23:59:36] habibi : nvm then.
[2015-12-13 00:02:12] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2000 @ 438.32
[2015-12-13 00:09:46] habibi : sleger: u opening more and more?
[2015-12-13 00:09:53] sleger : yes
[2015-12-13 00:10:03] sleger : I'm gonna create 110% DPE
[2015-12-13 00:10:06] sleger : revenge time
[2015-12-13 00:10:11] habibi : :D
[2015-12-13 00:10:12] HowDoge : you guys needs to trigger a sound clip that goes MEGAREKT :D
[2015-12-13 00:10:39] habibi : so personal vendetta againts DPE
[2015-12-13 00:10:42] habibi : round 1
[2015-12-13 00:10:44] habibi : start
[2015-12-13 00:12:21] habibi : u know, its zero sum game, u win someone loose, so its good for majority as a weaker players than u to get u rekt :p
[2015-12-13 00:13:48] wurstgelee : good point ;)
[2015-12-13 00:16:38] habibi : gonna smoke
[2015-12-13 00:17:05] habibi : when i ll be back i wanna see sleger rekt :p
[2015-12-13 00:29:21] justinlooking : is okc broken?
[2015-12-13 00:29:28] habibi : why?
[2015-12-13 00:31:04] justinlooking : the depth (20 cny either way) on cny is behaving erratically
[2015-12-13 00:32:25] habibi : they manipulating order depth many times
[2015-12-13 00:33:24] justinlooking : in this size tho? smelly fucky
[2015-12-13 00:33:54] justinlooking : maybe it's whalesong
[2015-12-13 00:36:15] habibi : weeklys are pretty cheap, why?
[2015-12-13 00:36:29] habibi : bulls burned too much last night ?
[2015-12-13 00:37:25] 24hourz : this is going to go up strong
[2015-12-13 00:37:32] habibi : coz?
[2015-12-13 00:38:09] wurstgelee : cos he wants you to buy his sells
[2015-12-13 00:38:10] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-12-13 00:39:04] 24hourz : breakout time ?
[2015-12-13 00:39:23] 24hourz : no fuel though
[2015-12-13 00:39:31] justinlooking : believe
[2015-12-13 00:41:00] 24hourz : I did and I went in
[2015-12-13 00:41:02] wurstgelee : i hate it when okc does those walkups in a straight line
[2015-12-13 00:41:41] 24hourz : yeah
[2015-12-13 00:42:28] wurstgelee : almost never ends well ;)
[2015-12-13 01:06:00] habibi : eh nice bid okc
[2015-12-13 02:16:54] habibi : sleger: why u going out of position?
[2015-12-13 02:33:07] zanza : Witam wszystkich , jak leci ?
[2015-12-13 02:38:27] habibi : nudno do przodu
[2015-12-13 02:38:32] habibi : a tam?
[2015-12-13 02:39:38] cataquil : frontrunner bot
[2015-12-13 02:39:48] habibi : 1k one?
[2015-12-13 02:39:54] cataquil : 49
[2015-12-13 02:40:04] habibi : ah why u care :p
[2015-12-13 02:40:53] cataquil : warp da spread
[2015-12-13 02:56:24] habibi : sleger: please stop ruining the market and stoping it
[2015-12-13 02:56:56] habibi : ah thank u
[2015-12-13 03:06:06] psyfur : premium shrunk from $8 to $2 lol
[2015-12-13 03:06:23] wurstgelee : and 2900 got smashed
[2015-12-13 03:14:10] habibi : sleger got scared of his position and stopped market
[2015-12-13 03:14:31] wurstgelee : is he shorting?
[2015-12-13 03:15:36] habibi : nah, long
[2015-12-13 03:15:57] habibi : for about 240 btc here @442
[2015-12-13 03:16:02] wurstgelee : why should he stop a market moving up then?
[2015-12-13 03:16:19] cataquil : well I hit those 47 bids at market
[2015-12-13 03:16:21] habibi : coz he started to getting out of this position and placed walls
[2015-12-13 03:16:35] habibi : so most action happened in front of walls
[2015-12-13 03:16:36] cataquil : by mistake, thought I was still long about 150
[2015-12-13 03:17:10] cataquil : so I bailed paying the spread for a .0008 loss
[2015-12-13 03:17:28] cataquil : going to bed
[2015-12-13 03:17:46] cataquil : hope she rallies for u all more tonite
[2015-12-13 03:32:54] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1000 @ 438.95
[2015-12-13 03:42:00] psyfur : tfw you go long when
[2015-12-13 03:42:12] psyfur : price was $10 cheaper
[2015-12-13 03:42:21] psyfur : and futures doesnt move
[2015-12-13 03:58:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1000 @ 438.08
[2015-12-13 03:59:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1046 @ 437.77
[2015-12-13 03:59:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 12 @ 437.60
[2015-12-13 04:00:54] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 31785 @ 435.98 <b>MEGA-REKT</b>
[2015-12-13 04:01:58] habibi : sleger: thats u?
[2015-12-13 04:02:04] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 215 @ 433.89
[2015-12-13 04:02:04] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 20000 @ 433.14 <b>MEGA-REKT</b>
[2015-12-13 04:02:07] sleger : no duh
[2015-12-13 04:02:21] sleger : i said my leverage is max 3-4
[2015-12-13 04:02:54] habibi : welcome dpeee
[2015-12-13 04:03:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 100 @ 435.60
[2015-12-13 04:04:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2662 @ 423.39
[2015-12-13 04:04:54] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 4953 @ 422.55
[2015-12-13 04:05:24] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 5000 @ 430.41
[2015-12-13 04:05:30] 24hourz : getting rekt
[2015-12-13 04:06:51] 24hourz : bitcoin wisdom okcoin acting up for anyone else ?
[2015-12-13 04:06:53] psyfur : i bought, spot went up $10 but it only went up $2 here, then it dumped here in unison with spot
[2015-12-13 04:06:58] 24hourz : where to see the price live
[2015-12-13 04:07:06] psyfur : so, yeah.
[2015-12-13 04:07:20] podizzler3k : looks like more DPE
[2015-12-13 04:07:41] habibi : so basically i made like 0.7 btc trading
[2015-12-13 04:07:47] laisee : payfu> index price here is calculated on several exchanges.
[2015-12-13 04:07:48] habibi : and now 2 btc withheld
[2015-12-13 04:07:59] habibi : so can end up with less than i start?
[2015-12-13 04:08:15] wurstgelee : dpe going down again
[2015-12-13 04:08:56] psyfur : laisee i know but what i'm saying is 24h didn't move while price rallied like $8
[2015-12-13 04:09:13] psyfur : so i'm just annoyed
[2015-12-13 04:09:25] sleger : well so if dpe always eat 10-24% of your profit and you pay commissions seems like a loosing game
[2015-12-13 04:09:33] habibi : yep
[2015-12-13 04:09:43] habibi : u can gain money
[2015-12-13 04:09:56] habibi : and at settlement loose more then u earn
[2015-12-13 04:10:01] podizzler3k : i wonder if that guys 64k stop loss gonna get eaten
[2015-12-13 04:11:05] sleger : if not no point being short
[2015-12-13 04:11:13] habibi : thats what i had yesterday
[2015-12-13 04:11:18] habibi : same story sleger
[2015-12-13 04:11:24] habibi : but yesterday u were biggest holder
[2015-12-13 04:11:32] habibi : of shorts so u could still make some profit possible
[2015-12-13 04:11:43] sleger : XBT24H -39453
[2015-12-13 04:12:02] sleger : @436.08
[2015-12-13 04:12:23] habibi : u shorting?
[2015-12-13 04:12:25] habibi : atm?
[2015-12-13 04:13:35] sleger : no i shorted earlier
[2015-12-13 04:13:52] habibi : hm werent u 50k long?
[2015-12-13 04:13:53] 24hourz : next waterfall coming up
[2015-12-13 04:13:59] micmix : did we lose one MM today?
[2015-12-13 04:14:59] podizzler3k : come on china lets make those stop losses regret it
[2015-12-13 04:15:09] micmix : I wasn't paying attention earlier, maybe it's just now bc of volatility
[2015-12-13 04:16:31] 24hourz : willy about to dump on huobi
[2015-12-13 04:18:06] podizzler3k : 24hourz why you say
[2015-12-13 04:18:30] ethexio : Lol
[2015-12-13 04:19:35] micmix : what happened yesterday, big DPE?
[2015-12-13 04:19:41] sleger : wow someone selling lots
[2015-12-13 04:19:52] habibi : on 24?
[2015-12-13 04:19:57] habibi : guess thats u
[2015-12-13 04:19:59] sleger : yes i just bought 200btc
[2015-12-13 04:20:09] sleger : @427
[2015-12-13 04:20:18] habibi : it was closing position i guess
[2015-12-13 04:20:23] habibi : only 122k coontracts left
[2015-12-13 04:20:43] habibi : what did u do with long at 442?
[2015-12-13 04:20:44] micmix : yeah, there was a 20k+ sell posted
[2015-12-13 04:21:03] sleger : micmix: even after i took it there was more
[2015-12-13 04:21:06] micmix : my bot ate a bit
[2015-12-13 04:21:27] sleger : i went from short 200 btc to long 10
[2015-12-13 04:21:35] sleger : in xbt24h
[2015-12-13 04:22:00] micmix : good call, my bot almost closed short on that sell
[2015-12-13 04:25:01] podizzler3k : sleger bitvc is huobi futures basically?
[2015-12-13 04:25:04] podizzler3k : i was checking it out
[2015-12-13 04:25:21] sleger : not really no.
[2015-12-13 04:25:32] sleger : it is a hu0bi company yes
[2015-12-13 04:25:54] podizzler3k : i see
[2015-12-13 04:26:11] podizzler3k : sleger when did you go short yesterday
[2015-12-13 04:26:16] sleger : no dpe, when they cant close at market they reduce opposite positions which is awesome
[2015-12-13 04:26:34] podizzler3k : before the dump started or just as it started
[2015-12-13 04:26:41] sleger : @460 i went from long 400-500 to long 100
[2015-12-13 04:26:47] podizzler3k : i see
[2015-12-13 04:26:49] sleger : before
[2015-12-13 04:27:29] sleger : in the middle of the dump i went almost flat but i didnt post that as i was too busy. All my other trades were posted before moves happened.
[2015-12-13 04:27:53] 24hourz : here we go
[2015-12-13 04:29:04] habibi : where:D?
[2015-12-13 04:29:11] habibi : its end already, china stopped it
[2015-12-13 04:29:25] ethexio : Where we going?
[2015-12-13 04:29:34] habibi : hm its sunday
[2015-12-13 04:29:35] habibi : already
[2015-12-13 04:29:38] ethexio : To the right!
[2015-12-13 04:29:41] habibi : u want to go church?
[2015-12-13 04:29:53] ethexio : This is church.
[2015-12-13 04:29:59] zanza : is this the dump boys?
[2015-12-13 04:30:01] habibi : this is sanctuary
[2015-12-13 04:30:10] habibi : and be pray to DPE god
[2015-12-13 04:31:44] sleger : pray or prey...
[2015-12-13 04:32:02] 24hourz : huobi down
[2015-12-13 04:32:05] habibi : both
[2015-12-13 04:32:08] 24hourz : huobi ?
[2015-12-13 04:32:18] habibi : but yea, prey was the idea
[2015-12-13 04:32:26] 24hourz : okcoin
[2015-12-13 04:32:29] 24hourz : hahaha
[2015-12-13 04:32:41] habibi : huobi is not down
[2015-12-13 04:32:44] habibi : okcoin is working
[2015-12-13 04:32:48] habibi : stfu please :)
[2015-12-13 04:33:23] 24hourz : bitcoin wisdom has really not been cutting it on these dumps
[2015-12-13 04:33:42] habibi : yea wisdom sucks like at least few times per day these days
[2015-12-13 04:35:58] podizzler3k : all those stop losses that didnt fill filling up
[2015-12-13 04:42:45] wurstgelee : okcoin being like "dump? sec, ill undo it"
[2015-12-13 04:43:17] habibi : yea ctrl+z
[2015-12-13 04:44:30] zanza : BEAR TRAP
[2015-12-13 04:45:55] wurstgelee : that dump?
[2015-12-13 04:46:18] wurstgelee : for whale-sized bears maybe
[2015-12-13 05:11:46] uiop : 24hourz, habibi: it doesn't count as a big move unless wisdom breaks
[2015-12-13 05:25:09] zanza : do you guys think Fed will raise rates?
[2015-12-13 05:25:15] zanza : should I short SnP?
[2015-12-13 05:25:41] zanza : is rapidtrades on ?
[2015-12-13 05:27:09] laisee : zanza> if they don't raise rates things will get ... interesting. but looks like markets have priced in a raise.
[2015-12-13 05:53:37] chrisxbt : wow futures fomo'd hard
[2015-12-13 06:27:24] zanza : http://www.androidauthority.com/best-of-android-2015-camera-660810/
[2015-12-13 06:32:23] podizzler3k : fomo'd now?
[2015-12-13 06:32:32] podizzler3k : this like the 4th time we been here
[2015-12-13 06:32:44] podizzler3k : that was 30 minutes ago eh
[2015-12-13 06:38:58] podizzler3k : wow giant sell walls on both okc and huobi now
[2015-12-13 06:55:58] AudibleScience : my sell orders are posted with a dollar premium on cryptowat.ch?? anyone else noticed that?
[2015-12-13 08:26:33] ethexio : Help
[2015-12-13 08:30:03] BitMEX_Wally : ethexio: Hello
[2015-12-13 08:41:38] zanza : spike time
[2015-12-13 08:42:35] ethexio : Meh, laggy
[2015-12-13 08:51:38] podizzler3k : these walls at 2900 are re GD diculous
[2015-12-13 08:51:48] podizzler3k : combined 8000btc between okc and hub
[2015-12-13 08:51:53] podizzler3k : down a bit now
[2015-12-13 08:51:59] podizzler3k : but thats what it was an hour ago
[2015-12-13 09:06:56] TschavaTschigger : hm.. only 1.1 bitcoins.. https://www.dronesetc.com/products/vortex-racequad
[2015-12-13 09:12:05] podizzler3k : well when you put it that way...
[2015-12-13 09:12:11] podizzler3k : only 1.1?
[2015-12-13 09:12:19] podizzler3k : ill take 10
[2015-12-13 09:16:48] TschavaTschigger : yeah, in bitcoin everything seems so fuking cheap
[2015-12-13 09:40:41] zanza : what would you do with those?
[2015-12-13 09:40:51] zanza : its actually 1100 mbtx
[2015-12-13 09:45:07] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 402 @ 434.26
[2015-12-13 10:04:06] podizzler3k : doh
[2015-12-13 10:04:24] podizzler3k : mbtx? really
[2015-12-13 10:04:38] podizzler3k : id rather use satoshis
[2015-12-13 10:05:33] podizzler3k : 1100 ksats
[2015-12-13 10:09:00] TschavaTschigger : 1100 kats is wrong btw
[2015-12-13 10:09:53] TschavaTschigger : should be 110k ksats
[2015-12-13 10:12:26] TschavaTschigger : zanza: racing?
[2015-12-13 10:12:34] TschavaTschigger : zanza: it's fun
[2015-12-13 10:17:13] TschavaTschigger : i feel like we are gonna crash today
[2015-12-13 10:32:05] podizzler3k : oh yeah
[2015-12-13 10:32:12] podizzler3k : 110k ksats
[2015-12-13 10:32:14] podizzler3k : haha
[2015-12-13 10:32:55] podizzler3k : 1.1 megasats
[2015-12-13 10:47:45] TschavaTschigger : wrong again.... 110 megasats lol
[2015-12-13 10:48:30] TschavaTschigger : 0.11 gigasats sounds cool
[2015-12-13 10:49:48] TschavaTschigger : i will use nothing but megasat and gigasat on bitmex from now on
[2015-12-13 11:10:11] thehawthorne : god im sober
[2015-12-13 11:10:13] thehawthorne : tell me
[2015-12-13 11:10:22] thehawthorne : what happened last 12 hours
[2015-12-13 11:11:52] TschavaTschigger : not much I think, but I was sleeping too
[2015-12-13 11:13:48] AudibleScience : thehawthorne: up a bit... then a bit of a crash and then a semi-recovery... and then a lot of sideways action!
[2015-12-13 11:14:27] AudibleScience : thehawthorne: lol but you can just look at the chart... to see what I mean...
[2015-12-13 11:15:09] thehawthorne : tried.. headache won't let me seriously look at anything though
[2015-12-13 11:15:52] AudibleScience : thehawthorne: lol then you have my summary for now...
[2015-12-13 11:16:01] thehawthorne : need to order some pizza to maintain functionality
[2015-12-13 11:16:19] thehawthorne : yep, thanks. :-)
[2015-12-13 11:17:50] HotDogs : Big saturday night
[2015-12-13 11:18:04] AudibleScience : thehawthorne: pizza sounds like a great idea! ;-)
[2015-12-13 11:32:09] rapidtrades : any bot makers around? paging micmix:
[2015-12-13 11:32:33] cataquil : yep 72
[2015-12-13 11:32:54] cataquil : well its runnin
[2015-12-13 11:33:01] cataquil : i mean
[2015-12-13 11:33:34] rapidtrades : no I have some questions re: where to start
[2015-12-13 11:34:16] cataquil : u code?
[2015-12-13 11:39:09] rapidtrades : not yet
[2015-12-13 11:39:43] TschavaTschigger : i'm not an expert, but I guess if you wanna start coding from zero, start with python... powerful yet easy to learn
[2015-12-13 11:41:52] TschavaTschigger : quite popular for any kind of bots
[2015-12-13 11:43:28] rapidtrades : yeah looks like c++ and python are the two main options...is c++ faster?
[2015-12-13 11:44:03] TschavaTschigger : speed doesn't matter in the bitcoin trading world
[2015-12-13 11:44:11] cataquil : probably colocating close to bitmex server is more important than language
[2015-12-13 11:45:07] TschavaTschigger : speed difference for small bot logic between language is mikroseconds, maybe even jsut nanoseconds
[2015-12-13 11:45:08] habibi : ah people would pay tens of btc to have automated integration of rapidtrades reversed indicator in bot
[2015-12-13 11:45:15] cataquil : I remember in 2006 I could get fills in forex/futures with bloomberg news feed wired to submit order based on GDP or NFP for example
[2015-12-13 11:45:59] cataquil : but by 2008 the big algo companies colocated on the exchange were quote stuffing out everybody
[2015-12-13 11:46:32] cataquil : a big race on the wire new york->chicago
[2015-12-13 11:46:33] TschavaTschigger : real financial markets are much more liquid, plus they have the infrastructure to allow fast algo trading
[2015-12-13 11:46:51] TschavaTschigger : bitcoin trading is not that speed dependent, especially not here on bitmex
[2015-12-13 11:48:00] rapidtrades : I plan to use the language in forex as well, but I won't need much speed over there. I will need speed in bitcoin cause I want to program mm and arbs bots
[2015-12-13 11:48:26] TschavaTschigger : so you don't know how to code, but you wanna write trading bot for forex markets?
[2015-12-13 11:48:29] TschavaTschigger : good luck
[2015-12-13 11:48:54] deeprocks : hey guys
[2015-12-13 11:49:20] habibi : hello
[2015-12-13 11:52:13] cataquil : it depends what you want to do
[2015-12-13 11:52:53] cataquil : if it is a strategy, like a sunday gap fill, or some technical strategy then fine
[2015-12-13 11:53:13] cataquil : but if you are looking at frontrunning order flow then you have serious competition
[2015-12-13 11:54:30] TschavaTschigger : cataquil: not on bitmex though
[2015-12-13 11:54:35] rapidtrades : in forex I will just automate my current strats. they're more longterm
[2015-12-13 11:55:08] cataquil : well exactly and that obviously the arb that algos from other markets see here
[2015-12-13 11:55:20] rapidtrades : also test new strats
[2015-12-13 11:55:25] cataquil : there are plenty of resources online
[2015-12-13 11:55:26] cataquil : https://github.com/joequant/bitquant
[2015-12-13 11:55:54] rapidtrades : tnx, added to bookmarks
[2015-12-13 11:56:58] cataquil : the human neuro wiring is vastly more intricate and can process multiple technical and fundamental events
[2015-12-13 11:57:47] cataquil : however the language processing code of reneissance capital can process a fed speech faster than you can download the pdf from bloomberg
[2015-12-13 11:58:16] cataquil : but not feds in bitcoin
[2015-12-13 12:00:51] TschavaTschigger : true
[2015-12-13 12:02:08] TschavaTschigger : for my master thesis I am doing NLP sentiment analysis of tweets about companies and look for correlations to stock price/vola/volume
[2015-12-13 12:02:49] rapidtrades : how much would it cost me to outright buy some simple arb/mm bots?
[2015-12-13 12:03:02] rapidtrades : well relatively simple
[2015-12-13 12:03:16] rapidtrades : not just blindly quote bid/asks on top
[2015-12-13 12:04:11] laisee : check out bitmex mm python code, it's free and simple enough you could easily adapt.
[2015-12-13 12:04:35] TschavaTschigger : you can't just buy free profits... if the profits the bot makes is greater than it's price, the coders of the bot wouldn't sell it but trade themselves
[2015-12-13 12:05:27] laisee : exactly, Renaissance doesn't sell its code.
[2015-12-13 12:06:04] rapidtrades : well I still see and do arbs across exchanges, so the market is not saturated yet...but a bot would do a better job when it comes to execution
[2015-12-13 12:06:31] rapidtrades : basically I would say when its GO and the bot will have the job of doing the arb
[2015-12-13 12:06:43] thehawthorne : You don't need any code. its in your head. everything.
[2015-12-13 12:06:55] laisee : thats easy enough to code, nothing fancy about execution scripts
[2015-12-13 12:07:16] rapidtrades : it's just too slow, especially when things move, browser trading sucks @thehawthorne
[2015-12-13 12:07:46] thehawthorne : It does. If you are not on profit.
[2015-12-13 12:07:52] laisee : one drawback ... some API get lagged badly when price action is highest
[2015-12-13 12:08:38] cataquil : TschavaTschigger: https://www.marketpsych.com/
[2015-12-13 12:08:47] rapidtrades : so I guess scripts would work ok too I guess, doesn't have to be a bot that runs all the time
[2015-12-13 12:09:59] cataquil : laisee: thanks
[2015-12-13 12:10:25] laisee : yes, best to test out the idea using some execution scripts then automate data collection and signal generation. finally you can put it together if profits are there.
[2015-12-13 12:11:44] laisee : cataquil: > nice link. reading 'thinking fast & slow" now, have you heard of it?
[2015-12-13 12:11:46] TschavaTschigger : cataquil: they only use finance-specific tweets :(
[2015-12-13 12:11:57] cataquil : yeah its amazing that there is still arbs in this market, people were talking about that years ago
[2015-12-13 12:12:07] cataquil : ahh so do a bitcoin one
[2015-12-13 12:12:43] TschavaTschigger : cataquil: no, I mean, the only use finance-tweets about companies... they don't cover things like "fucking apple, this ipad is shit"
[2015-12-13 12:12:56] TschavaTschigger : only finance-related tweets
[2015-12-13 12:13:33] TschavaTschigger : i guess they parse the stock symbol, you only get a very very small subset and IMHO its hard to get meaningful results out of that
[2015-12-13 12:16:18] HotDogs : I think you would find much more value looking at strange moves in OTM options on US equities
[2015-12-13 12:16:43] TschavaTschigger : even for huge companies like apple, there are sometimes 10-15 minutes gaps for finance tweets
[2015-12-13 12:16:47] HotDogs : insiders love to load up on options before big moves, i bet if you tested you would find statistical significance
[2015-12-13 12:19:10] AudibleScience : how come our mark price on 24h is so high right now?
[2015-12-13 12:19:59] habibi : fomo traders
[2015-12-13 12:20:11] AudibleScience : tradeblock hasn't been near 439 in the last 30 minutes?
[2015-12-13 12:20:16] BitMEX_Arthur : The premium is a representation of implied volatility for 24 hours
[2015-12-13 12:22:46] AudibleScience : is it not just a 30-minute TWAP of TradeBlock then?
[2015-12-13 12:22:50] cataquil : TschavaTschigger: I am glad you see things lacking there, so there is more development to do...if it aint out there somewhere else
[2015-12-13 12:23:10] cataquil : it was just an example
[2015-12-13 12:23:13] BitMEX_Arthur : AudibleScience: That is how the settlement price at 12:00 GMT is calculated
[2015-12-13 12:23:34] BitMEX_Arthur : 11:30 to 12:00 GMT 30 minute TWAP using 1 minute snaps
[2015-12-13 12:24:08] cataquil : I think also marketpsych was driven off stocktweets where tweets would have hashtags of stock symbols
[2015-12-13 12:24:24] AudibleScience : I see... and is the mark price calculation prop.?
[2015-12-13 12:24:36] cataquil : twitter took stocktweets hashtags basically
[2015-12-13 12:25:26] TschavaTschigger : cataquil: yeah I know stocktweets. However I don't like those platforms due to lack of transparency. I wanna know what algorithms they use and what training data they have to get an estimate how well the system could work
[2015-12-13 12:26:48] AudibleScience : I guess at the time of settlement it resets the volatility setting so the mark price could very well jump in price by $4 or so...
[2015-12-13 12:27:06] TschavaTschigger : most of stock twitter analyses use naive bayes cause it's easier to implement than logistic regression for example. but it's much less sophisticated and produces worse results. tested both with 1.5m+ handclassified tweets training data.
[2015-12-13 12:28:20] cataquil : I think I need a bot to reenter my position after settlement
[2015-12-13 12:28:43] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Arthur: is that what happened this settlement?
[2015-12-13 12:28:44] habibi : just use 7d then
[2015-12-13 12:28:46] cataquil : 12:01 pop
[2015-12-13 12:30:22] cataquil : TschavaTschigger: I agree, I dont use the service and dont like blackboxes
[2015-12-13 12:30:55] cataquil : but native bayes very logistic regression....well you know a bit more than me about that it is obvious
[2015-12-13 12:32:37] TschavaTschigger : cataquil: here is an easy explanation https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-logistic-regression-and-Naive-Bayes
[2015-12-13 12:33:00] TschavaTschigger : <i>The difference between NB and LogReg happens when features are correlated. Say you have two features which are useful predictors -- they correlate with the labels -- but they themselves are repetitive, having extra correlation with each other as well. NB will give both of them strong weights, so their influence is double-counted. But logistic regression will compensate by weighting them lower</i>
[2015-12-13 12:36:04] cataquil : all these tools are great, but I actively try and avoid analysis paralysis and my best trades have been based on gut and market profile volume.
[2015-12-13 12:36:24] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: do u have a longer history re:clawbacks on bitmex? it only goes back to october 2015
[2015-12-13 12:36:34] cataquil : in main markets, here I just by dips ...
[2015-12-13 12:36:47] BitMEX_Arthur : You should be able to query the API directly for more data
[2015-12-13 12:36:48] cataquil : seems to work well
[2015-12-13 12:37:25] cataquil : never buy fomo, learning to stop that emotional response is a good lesson for any trader
[2015-12-13 12:37:33] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: I will flag this to Sam there seems to be an issue with the pagination
[2015-12-13 12:37:42] rapidtrades : ok thanks
[2015-12-13 12:38:32] rapidtrades : it's hard to calculate my risk with only 1 event
[2015-12-13 12:38:57] BitMEX_Arthur : In August there was an adjustment
[2015-12-13 12:39:08] BitMEX_Arthur : I'm looking through the API now to see if I can find a call for you
[2015-12-13 12:40:02] cataquil : arthur when you see the limit orders on the chart, you can move them but it would be good if the price changed when you did
[2015-12-13 12:40:04] TschavaTschigger : cataquil: I actually colletected bitcoin tweets too, but haven't analyzed them yet. don't think there will be any correlations, just not enough volume. maybe if you include forum/twitter posts etc
[2015-12-13 12:40:19] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/settlement?symbol=XBTQ15&count=100&start=0&reverse=false
[2015-12-13 12:40:32] BitMEX_Arthur : check out the API explorer and the endpoint `Settlement`
[2015-12-13 12:40:39] BitMEX_Arthur : you can fiddle around with it there
[2015-12-13 12:41:01] BitMEX_Arthur : cataquil: Do you mean clicking on the orderbook to pre populate the qty price fields?
[2015-12-13 12:41:31] cataquil : no I mean when you have open limits not filled
[2015-12-13 12:41:42] BitMEX_Arthur : cataquil: Ah you mean order amend
[2015-12-13 12:41:48] BitMEX_Arthur : That is on the list of dev items
[2015-12-13 12:42:02] cataquil : on the chart, it shows a little tab next to a dotted green/red line
[2015-12-13 12:42:23] cataquil : if I click on the tag of the limit
[2015-12-13 12:42:27] BitMEX_Arthur : And you want to be able to amend the order on the chart?
[2015-12-13 12:42:38] cataquil : and move it from original 430 buy to 433
[2015-12-13 12:42:45] AudibleScience : hey Arthur, I'd like to have a quick chat with you about a few ideas... and see if you think any of them are any good...
[2015-12-13 12:42:59] cataquil : it sticks on the chart at 433 but is sstill actually a limiit at 430
[2015-12-13 12:43:00] BitMEX_Arthur : AudibleScience: Best to shoot me a mail, arthur@bitmex.com
[2015-12-13 12:43:21] cataquil : BitMEX_Arthur: cool thanks
[2015-12-13 12:43:44] BitMEX_Arthur : cataquil: TV is tricky sometimes will let sam know about that
[2015-12-13 12:44:00] cataquil : will make it alot faster for manual traders to deal bot order spam
[2015-12-13 12:44:20] AudibleScience : nice one Arthur, thanks.
[2015-12-13 12:45:15] cataquil : how about a Stop Market order
[2015-12-13 12:45:19] cataquil : and an oco
[2015-12-13 12:45:41] BitMEX_Arthur : cataquil: You can already do that, use a Stop Limit Order with an aggressive limit price
[2015-12-13 12:45:47] BitMEX_Arthur : OCO is also on the dev list
[2015-12-13 12:45:55] cataquil : fair play
[2015-12-13 12:46:14] BitMEX_Arthur : me personally, i'm not a fan of market orders they are very dangerous