This is a mirror of the original BitMEX trollbox archive that used to be online here.
BitMEX disabled their archive after the DDOS attack so I have decided to make my mirror publicly available.

Well now, a few days after I made this mirror available to the public, the original archive from BitMEX is online again.
But since it is still limited (neutered to the last few hundred messages) I will keep my FULL mirror alive.

You have access to more than 50 million trollbox posts. This is more than 7 gigabyte of data hosted on a $5 server so please be patient or consider a donation

<<  >>  English  中文  Русский  한국어  日本語  Español  Français 
[2015-12-12 09:17:39] zanza : oh maybe its a display error for me, I only see up to 432
[2015-12-12 09:17:52] zanza : and its empty above that
[2015-12-12 09:18:22] dorothy490 : I have unrealized profits in BTC24 and BTC7D
[2015-12-12 09:18:35] dorothy490 : how can I see how much unrealized profits for each instrument?
[2015-12-12 09:19:27] dorothy490 : I found one way.. open any pending active order and look to the column "ralized PNL"
[2015-12-12 09:20:15] zanza : https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet @dorothy490
[2015-12-12 09:20:48] dorothy490 : it shows summary witheld profit, not for each instrument separately @zanza
[2015-12-12 09:21:25] zanza : switch to Basic view
[2015-12-12 09:21:32] zanza : its pretty clear right there
[2015-12-12 09:22:09] dorothy490 : hmm. how to switch into "basic" view?
[2015-12-12 09:22:58] zanza : can you see sell orders over 432? dorothy490
[2015-12-12 09:23:57] dorothy490 : 431,1 is max foir me atm
[2015-12-12 09:24:13] zanza : dorothy490: click on your name in the upper right
[2015-12-12 09:25:07] dorothy490 : i had basic by default. switching basic/advanced in wallet menu changes nothing
[2015-12-12 09:26:34] zanza : can check with the support help desk
[2015-12-12 09:26:42] dorothy490 : anyway I have a wrokaround so dont care anymore
[2015-12-12 09:31:49] zanza : finex has the leasst shorts ive seen now
[2015-12-12 09:32:20] zanza : since 2 years
[2015-12-12 09:37:37] dorothy490 : yes, and longs increased
[2015-12-12 09:50:02] ethexio : 33.5% profit adjustment
[2015-12-12 09:50:51] ethexio : Epic day/week
[2015-12-12 09:51:09] habibi : dont worry its about 40% at 422 $ ;p
[2015-12-12 09:51:17] BitMEX_Arthur : EM countries are leaking cash as their currencies get pumped, it's going to be a wild FOMC week
[2015-12-12 09:51:20] dorothy490 : that would be biggest claw back for mex ever
[2015-12-12 09:54:13] zanza : Sam secretely messaged me he is going to put in his own 50 BTC to help with todays settlment
[2015-12-12 09:54:52] laisee : zanza: > donations accepted here?
[2015-12-12 09:55:37] dorothy490 : I got email from CEO of bitcoin this morning that he will cover up to 20% clawbacks on all exchanges
[2015-12-12 09:56:04] ethexio : Sam's here in bed with me right now and he says 'naaw'
[2015-12-12 09:56:57] laisee : I have Satoshi sitting with me in a bar in Roppongi and he says he will cover ALL .
[2015-12-12 09:57:10] habibi : "naah, let the f%$kers got what they reserve to" :p
[2015-12-12 09:57:20] ethexio : (To donation, not naaw for yum yum time)
[2015-12-12 09:58:18] thehawthorne : MOONTIME
[2015-12-12 09:58:36] thehawthorne : ...or maybe not? 8)
[2015-12-12 09:59:03] zanza : ethexio: wow Sam is a dirty cheater
[2015-12-12 09:59:52] TschavaTschigger : laisee: you are sitting with arthur in a bar?
[2015-12-12 10:00:20] TschavaTschigger : #arthur=satoshi #spreadtherumor
[2015-12-12 10:00:27] laisee : yes, but he says to call him "Satoshi-san"
[2015-12-12 10:01:14] BitMEX_Arthur : I wish i was in Tokyo eating some sushi and drinking sake
[2015-12-12 10:01:18] BitMEX_Arthur : I'm down in Singapore in the jungle
[2015-12-12 10:01:24] ethexio : zanza: sorry :( his idea
[2015-12-12 10:01:33] habibi : and rapidtrades is a creator of willybot at the time it started selling all way down
[2015-12-12 10:01:42] laisee : http://satoshishere.com
[2015-12-12 10:03:11] ethexio : BitMEX_Arthur: go to stream and catch a fish. Sushi
[2015-12-12 10:03:43] ethexio : (Non polluted stream)
[2015-12-12 10:04:30] ethexio : (Not piranha, ick)
[2015-12-12 10:04:47] cataquil : really? rapidtrades is a creator of willybot
[2015-12-12 10:05:06] ethexio : Doubtful
[2015-12-12 10:05:52] ethexio : Rapid shorted all the way up. He was ahead of his time.
[2015-12-12 10:06:27] HotDogs : Maybe we should rename him RIPdtrades
[2015-12-12 10:06:57] laisee : rekktrades
[2015-12-12 10:07:57] HotDogs : Aris Chickun
[2015-12-12 10:08:04] HotDogs : Arise
[2015-12-12 10:08:05] TschavaTschigger : http://imgur.com/z6NOSbn
[2015-12-12 10:08:32] thehawthorne : HEHEHEHE
[2015-12-12 10:08:35] cataquil : who is arthur?
[2015-12-12 10:08:36] thehawthorne : moontime
[2015-12-12 10:08:40] BitMEX_Arthur : :)
[2015-12-12 10:10:23] laisee : king of the brits, defender of the faith, etc etc
[2015-12-12 10:10:36] BitMEX_Arthur : King of the Andels
[2015-12-12 10:10:39] cataquil : reloaded 426, but some orders not hit
[2015-12-12 10:10:43] BitMEX_Arthur : protector of the faith
[2015-12-12 10:10:52] BitMEX_Arthur : Slayer of dragons
[2015-12-12 10:11:14] thehawthorne : Hunter of short skirts
[2015-12-12 10:12:04] habibi : i dont know who is Arthur but i am pretty sure that he is definitely not a "Saint Protector of 0% DPE@Bitmex" :(
[2015-12-12 10:12:28] laisee : posesssed of most noble visage since the last bloke on the chair
[2015-12-12 10:12:35] SnackyCoins : we got almost 2 hours 8)
[2015-12-12 10:12:50] BitMEX_Arthur : Keep Hope Alive
[2015-12-12 10:12:59] habibi : but still during that night
[2015-12-12 10:13:08] habibi : like 90% of people here get rekt right? :p
[2015-12-12 10:13:27] BitMEX_Arthur : <img src="https://obeygiant.com/images/2008/11/obama-hope-shelter-copy-500x752.jpg">
[2015-12-12 10:13:52] laisee : habibi: > thats margin FX ...
[2015-12-12 10:14:13] habibi : funny stuff anyway:D so many account broken :p
[2015-12-12 10:15:48] laisee : Arise Sir BTC, your long, dark night of Chinese dumping is over
[2015-12-12 10:15:50] habibi : macios15: jak tam :p?
[2015-12-12 10:16:46] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Arthur: what's the open interest record? have we ever been above 500k?
[2015-12-12 10:16:57] BitMEX_Arthur : Not sure
[2015-12-12 10:17:05] BitMEX_Arthur : This is definitely a volume record for us
[2015-12-12 10:17:25] TschavaTschigger : I hope we see 1 million anytime soon
[2015-12-12 10:17:45] BitMEX_Arthur : That is the goal, we want to crush okcoin and huobi
[2015-12-12 10:18:13] TschavaTschigger : I moved 940 000 dollars in 24h with just 0.8 BTC used :D gotta love that leverage
[2015-12-12 10:18:25] habibi : now u will get few days with lover volumen tho, people need to takes loans for fresh cheap btc
[2015-12-12 10:18:26] TschavaTschigger : well, futures with value of 940k
[2015-12-12 10:19:11] habibi : BitMEX_Arthur: would u mind adding a sum up of user last 24h turnover somewhere in account tabs ?
[2015-12-12 10:19:41] TschavaTschigger : yeah, that would be fantastic... 24h contracts and 24 turnover
[2015-12-12 10:19:46] BitMEX_Arthur : You mean how much you traded?
[2015-12-12 10:19:50] TschavaTschigger : yes
[2015-12-12 10:20:08] zanza : you can download trade history CSV
[2015-12-12 10:20:12] TschavaTschigger : it's a pain in the ass to click through the trade history pages and download all the csvs
[2015-12-12 10:20:27] zanza : yes this is open interest record
[2015-12-12 10:20:30] TschavaTschigger : zanza: if you trade a lot, you have many pages in 24h
[2015-12-12 10:20:31] BitMEX_Arthur : We know we need to improve post trade reporting
[2015-12-12 10:20:39] BitMEX_Arthur : Many things on the dev list for 2016
[2015-12-12 10:21:34] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Arthur: anything like super-premium-vip-trader status that lowers fees? for people with 500k contract volume per day?
[2015-12-12 10:22:02] TschavaTschigger : i mean obvious you can't lower fees much anymore, but taker from 0.75 to 0.65 or something
[2015-12-12 10:22:02] BitMEX_Arthur : Our main carrot right now is you get paid to provide liquidity
[2015-12-12 10:22:22] thehawthorne : +
[2015-12-12 10:22:34] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Arthur: yeah I like that carrot, it tastes delicious. but I also like dessert a lot :D
[2015-12-12 10:22:37] zanza : that attracts bot people i think
[2015-12-12 10:22:56] BitMEX_Arthur : without bots the spreads will be wide for the day traders
[2015-12-12 10:23:52] zanza : any news on 24 hour rollover? :) @BitMEX_Arthur
[2015-12-12 10:24:08] BitMEX_Arthur : You mean a roll contract?
[2015-12-12 10:24:14] zanza : hah yeah
[2015-12-12 10:24:19] zanza : i heard some rumors
[2015-12-12 10:24:30] BitMEX_Arthur : We need to do some UI/UX work to make it understandable
[2015-12-12 10:24:36] zanza : ok
[2015-12-12 10:24:46] SnackyCoins : bots rule
[2015-12-12 10:24:47] BitMEX_Arthur : we have the capability for calendar spreads, but when we had them previously no one understood them
[2015-12-12 10:25:08] BitMEX_Arthur : and that was mainly due to poor UI/UX around rolling a position
[2015-12-12 10:25:15] SnackyCoins : i had no idea how to calendar spread.
[2015-12-12 10:25:15] BitMEX_Arthur : most traders still don't understand the concept
[2015-12-12 10:26:01] SnackyCoins : i think i would rather just do it manually
[2015-12-12 10:26:05] BitMEX_Arthur : tbh most people on a bank trading floor fuck up the roll
[2015-12-12 10:26:16] zanza : trading 24H is nice because vlume, but its high maintence you have to sit on it
[2015-12-12 10:26:22] BitMEX_Arthur : so i totally see how users who have never traded a calendar spread find it confusing
[2015-12-12 10:26:35] zanza : BitMEX_Arthur: lol
[2015-12-12 10:26:45] SnackyCoins : in bitcoin you always have to sit on it 8)
[2015-12-12 10:26:47] BitMEX_Arthur : which is why we delisted them
[2015-12-12 10:27:16] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P2FB9Mg_YI&noredirect=1
[2015-12-12 10:28:15] zanza : is that the norwagian troll guy
[2015-12-12 10:28:18] zanza : from whaleclub
[2015-12-12 10:28:25] BitMEX_Arthur : yeah he's awesome
[2015-12-12 10:28:27] BitMEX_Arthur : funniest dude in crypto
[2015-12-12 10:30:53] zanza : babysitting bitcoin, thats my life for the past few months
[2015-12-12 10:30:54] TschavaTschigger : hahahaha that video is absolutely hilarious
[2015-12-12 10:30:56] zanza : stressfull as hell
[2015-12-12 10:34:53] zanza : im thinking of going long on oil
[2015-12-12 10:34:58] zanza : 12 year lows atm
[2015-12-12 10:35:07] TschavaTschigger : oilcoins... that's it.. we need oilcoins
[2015-12-12 10:35:13] habibi : on gasoline u can go even longer
[2015-12-12 10:35:42] SnackyCoins : i'm looking for a long on oil down here, last one did not pan out
[2015-12-12 10:35:49] laisee : trade the crack spread ...
[2015-12-12 10:35:51] SnackyCoins : could be a while yet
[2015-12-12 10:36:15] SnackyCoins : also looking to short S&P on monday
[2015-12-12 10:36:21] SnackyCoins : kinda wish i'd have gotten in today
[2015-12-12 10:36:27] BitMEX_Arthur : I would buy some puts on HYG
[2015-12-12 10:36:30] BitMEX_Arthur : credit is going to come unglued
[2015-12-12 10:36:57] SnackyCoins : so they gonna raise rates just to drop them again?
[2015-12-12 10:37:08] BitMEX_Arthur : imo yes
[2015-12-12 10:37:20] laisee : Arthur> QE sand castle coming apart?
[2015-12-12 10:37:34] SnackyCoins : ha. wonder how long they will stay up.. maybe Q2 2016
[2015-12-12 10:37:57] zanza : interesting theory
[2015-12-12 10:38:04] SnackyCoins : i sold all my equities today
[2015-12-12 10:38:13] SnackyCoins : fuck the holiday season
[2015-12-12 10:38:20] BitMEX_Arthur : I still have stock vesting from my time at the bank
[2015-12-12 10:38:50] BitMEX_Arthur : can't wait to sell it next year
[2015-12-12 10:39:31] zanza : :)
[2015-12-12 10:40:17] zanza : ok, so potential theory, rates are raised this month (even if temporarily ) what would be a good investment play?
[2015-12-12 10:40:22] SnackyCoins : once they drop rates again i imagine it would be a good time for commodities?
[2015-12-12 10:40:29] zanza : put on HYG
[2015-12-12 10:40:55] BitMEX_Arthur : any of these high yield credit etfs
[2015-12-12 10:41:10] BitMEX_Arthur : structurally if people come to redeem there isn't enough primary market liq to handle it
[2015-12-12 10:41:18] BitMEX_Arthur : the ETF will trade at big discounts
[2015-12-12 10:41:28] BitMEX_Arthur : and hopefully u make good money on the options
[2015-12-12 10:41:35] BitMEX_Arthur : at least that's the trade thesis
[2015-12-12 10:41:37] zanza : :)
[2015-12-12 10:41:53] BitMEX_Arthur : also these leveraged VIX etfs
[2015-12-12 10:42:03] BitMEX_Arthur : the street is short vol
[2015-12-12 10:42:12] BitMEX_Arthur : option expiry is next friday
[2015-12-12 10:42:14] BitMEX_Arthur : right after fed
[2015-12-12 10:42:22] BitMEX_Arthur : we could get a massive VIX move into settlement
[2015-12-12 10:42:24] BitMEX_Arthur : that would rekt
[2015-12-12 10:42:26] BitMEX_Arthur : so many people
[2015-12-12 10:42:27] BitMEX_Arthur : and products
[2015-12-12 10:42:36] BitMEX_Arthur : might be a good put on these super leveraged VXX
[2015-12-12 10:42:37] SnackyCoins : sounds just like bitcoin. lol
[2015-12-12 10:43:08] BitMEX_Arthur : strategist from JPM wrote a good note about how structurally friday expiry could get interesting esp if spx continues falling
[2015-12-12 10:43:08] BitMEX_Arthur : after fed
[2015-12-12 10:43:11] BitMEX_Arthur : it's on zerohedge
[2015-12-12 10:43:39] messiaen8844 : Wild ride in my sleep, but no liquid ation here :)
[2015-12-12 10:43:44] SnackyCoins : how quick you think the action is gonna be? DEC puts too close?
[2015-12-12 10:43:58] BitMEX_Arthur : next week is the week
[2015-12-12 10:44:04] BitMEX_Arthur : shit could come unglued real quick
[2015-12-12 10:44:19] BitMEX_Arthur : and skew is very put over, so if u go longer maturities u are paying up massive for long vol
[2015-12-12 10:44:23] BitMEX_Arthur : might as well take a short punt
[2015-12-12 10:44:29] BitMEX_Arthur : small premium up front
[2015-12-12 10:44:32] BitMEX_Arthur : could get massive payout
[2015-12-12 10:44:39] BitMEX_Arthur : if fed raises and markets shit the bed
[2015-12-12 10:45:56] SnackyCoins : 77.5 puts are 51c
[2015-12-12 10:46:13] SnackyCoins : i think this will be my first option trade 8)
[2015-12-12 10:46:25] SnackyCoins : that's $2 down
[2015-12-12 10:46:52] zanza : too bad im not registered on any broker right now to do puts! need statist fiat for that :)
[2015-12-12 10:47:28] BitMEX_Arthur : Maybe i get raise some USD to fund my interactive brokers account before monday open in the us
[2015-12-12 10:47:40] zanza : go for it!
[2015-12-12 10:56:51] zanza : SnackyCoins: you think snp will go down, and oil go up ?
[2015-12-12 10:56:57] jung1 : helllo
[2015-12-12 10:57:01] zanza : hey jung1
[2015-12-12 10:57:12] jung1 : rekt bot was bussy last night I guess
[2015-12-12 10:57:15] TschavaTschigger : jung1: morning jung1
[2015-12-12 10:57:18] SnackyCoins : S&P is already on the way down and rates going up isn't going to help
[2015-12-12 10:57:20] TschavaTschigger : how is your ponzi doing? :D
[2015-12-12 10:57:39] jung1 : dunno. wait I will check
[2015-12-12 10:58:02] TschavaTschigger : error 404 - page not found
[2015-12-12 10:58:24] jung1 : still online, another two payments done in night
[2015-12-12 10:58:45] floopfloop : jung1: can i seer scam?
[2015-12-12 10:59:21] zanza : jung1: u run a ponzi ?
[2015-12-12 11:00:08] TschavaTschigger : zanza: no he invested in one.. 4% daily profit doing forex :D
[2015-12-12 11:00:27] zanza : ?
[2015-12-12 11:00:29] jung1 : https://marlive.com
[2015-12-12 11:00:48] jung1 : 10$ investmetn makes me serius player on forex
[2015-12-12 11:00:50] zanza : scam bro
[2015-12-12 11:00:51] jung1 : hehe
[2015-12-12 11:01:05] zanza : may as well write a check to Josh Garza
[2015-12-12 11:01:17] jung1 : I know But still young one and pay so far
[2015-12-12 11:01:31] floopfloop : omg wow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeoeTjUIS4
[2015-12-12 11:02:47] TschavaTschigger : 2 minutes of my time stolen, thank you
[2015-12-12 11:05:05] SnackyCoins : ahh fuck im not approved for options trading yet and its gonna take days
[2015-12-12 11:05:19] SnackyCoins : will just have to live with S&P short
[2015-12-12 11:05:50] jung1 : someone make a lot of money if short this red dildo
[2015-12-12 11:06:41] zanza : SnackyCoins: where do u trade?
[2015-12-12 11:06:53] SnackyCoins : TDC
[2015-12-12 11:07:17] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 150 @ 432.23
[2015-12-12 11:07:22] zanza : ?
[2015-12-12 11:08:15] zanza : i only have access to 1broker atm
[2015-12-12 11:08:56] SnackyCoins : you'd have to use a fiat broker wherever you're at
[2015-12-12 11:09:13] SnackyCoins : there's no place to take options using btc
[2015-12-12 11:09:33] SnackyCoins : there's one bitcoin options place, but thats options on bitcoin
[2015-12-12 11:09:51] SnackyCoins : they might be going away/gone too
[2015-12-12 11:12:02] zanza : i can short SnP there
[2015-12-12 11:12:21] zanza : maybe apple too, fuck iphone
[2015-12-12 11:14:34] SnackyCoins : https://goo.gl/dAWAQ9 is an alternative to 1broker, using btc on stocks/forex and such... CFD as well, has metatrader 4
[2015-12-12 11:14:42] SnackyCoins : Less leverage than bitmex 8)
[2015-12-12 11:15:05] SnackyCoins : also CFD feels like last resort trading
[2015-12-12 11:15:30] SnackyCoins : but if you have no other options for index exposure... beats nothing 8)
[2015-12-12 11:16:49] SnackyCoins : 45 minutes... come on china
[2015-12-12 11:17:18] SnackyCoins : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs
[2015-12-12 11:18:47] zanza : any opinions on USD/SEK ?
[2015-12-12 11:19:10] zanza : forex pair
[2015-12-12 11:21:05] SnackyCoins : not personally. i get rekt at forex 8)
[2015-12-12 11:21:42] SnackyCoins : probably would have had an easier time had i started a year earlier
[2015-12-12 11:26:10] zanza : 5 minutes till rekt
[2015-12-12 11:32:25] zanza : maybe i should go long silver or gold
[2015-12-12 11:40:58] zanza : or just long bitcoin :)
[2015-12-12 11:41:40] zanza : dare me to by? `443.50 348350 `
[2015-12-12 11:41:52] zanza : tempted, early Christmas
[2015-12-12 11:41:56] zanza : to my friends
[2015-12-12 11:43:26] SnackyCoins : Does the live DPE % take into account the fact that we're averaging?
[2015-12-12 11:44:48] mwalshe99 : someone is suicidal
[2015-12-12 11:45:00] zanza : SnackyCoins: ?
[2015-12-12 11:45:05] BitMEX_Arthur : SnackyCoins: Yes
[2015-12-12 11:45:28] mwalshe99 : market jumps one of those 50,000 orders are going to get breezed through
[2015-12-12 11:45:44] SnackyCoins : neat :) every i is dotted at bitmex ;)
[2015-12-12 11:45:51] zanza : 100k
[2015-12-12 11:47:16] SnackyCoins : if we really get moving here i can each a lot of those
[2015-12-12 11:47:44] SnackyCoins : eat*
[2015-12-12 11:48:03] mwalshe99 : oh nom nom nom
[2015-12-12 11:49:00] jung1 : mwalshe99: lookout for settlement
[2015-12-12 11:53:44] mwalshe99 : yea but we could swing 10 points in a minute
[2015-12-12 11:53:51] mwalshe99 : not the time to be playing for settlement
[2015-12-12 11:54:15] SnackyCoins : i really shouldn't be sore at someone who lost that much money, but man.. "that guy"
[2015-12-12 11:54:25] mwalshe99 : ?
[2015-12-12 11:54:44] mwalshe99 : that guy?
[2015-12-12 11:54:47] mwalshe99 : mega rekt?
[2015-12-12 11:54:53] SnackyCoins : yeah
[2015-12-12 11:55:01] messiaen8844 : how much was it?
[2015-12-12 11:55:09] SnackyCoins : like 320k contracts?
[2015-12-12 11:55:20] SnackyCoins : 348
[2015-12-12 11:55:23] SnackyCoins : its still there
[2015-12-12 11:56:19] SnackyCoins : over 15 btc on 100x
[2015-12-12 11:56:22] sleger : Im gonna lose 23% of my 22btc profit on xbt24h?
[2015-12-12 11:56:29] SnackyCoins : yep
[2015-12-12 11:56:35] messiaen8844 : been avoiding 24h like the plague, 7D so much safer
[2015-12-12 11:56:54] SnackyCoins : dunno. i like the liquidity
[2015-12-12 11:58:03] mwalshe99 : SnackyCoins: +1
[2015-12-12 11:58:37] SnackyCoins : 7d gets hard to close when you get over 10k contracts
[2015-12-12 12:00:06] zanza : ding
[2015-12-12 12:00:25] zanza : 24%
[2015-12-12 12:00:34] mwalshe99 : wow
[2015-12-12 12:00:37] mwalshe99 : that was brutal
[2015-12-12 12:00:44] SnackyCoins : yeah
[2015-12-12 12:00:59] SnackyCoins : 2nd worst clawback i've ever had
[2015-12-12 12:01:09] mwalshe99 : whats the worst here?
[2015-12-12 12:01:21] zanza : this is probably the worst
[2015-12-12 12:01:21] SnackyCoins : dunno, my worst was LTC on okc
[2015-12-12 12:01:23] sleger : How do we see clawback?
[2015-12-12 12:01:31] zanza : https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2015-12-12 12:01:44] SnackyCoins : like 70% clawback on that one
[2015-12-12 12:01:53] SnackyCoins : still made a ton lol
[2015-12-12 12:02:08] sleger : Ok but what about the insurance fund?
[2015-12-12 12:02:27] zanza : wally spent it on DarkNetMarkets
[2015-12-12 12:02:53] sleger : It seems it didnt reduce clawback at all
[2015-12-12 12:03:18] SnackyCoins : arthur available btc is applied live as well
[2015-12-12 12:03:23] SnackyCoins : said*
[2015-12-12 12:03:27] zanza : they said earlier there is no insurance for XBT
[2015-12-12 12:03:50] sleger : Also in that case commissions shoiuld ne zeroed for affected users
[2015-12-12 12:03:57] SnackyCoins : yeah need a big bankroll for that... we are still getting started here 8)
[2015-12-12 12:04:18] sleger : zanza: no there is some money collected from other liq, not same insurance as xbu
[2015-12-12 12:04:36] zanza : they said it was 0 earlier
[2015-12-12 12:05:12] zanza : the 24h volume on XBU is .2 XBT and spread is 120\
[2015-12-12 12:05:23] zanza : time to retire it i
[2015-12-12 12:05:43] SnackyCoins : noooo
[2015-12-12 12:06:15] AudibleScience : how can I have withheld profit post settlement?
[2015-12-12 12:06:24] SnackyCoins : that contract was an essential tool @ 230
[2015-12-12 12:06:55] SnackyCoins : i had to spend cold storage at the damn bottom and used it to loan myself money
[2015-12-12 12:07:23] zanza : XBU is basically the okcoin future i thin
[2015-12-12 12:07:48] rapidtrades : Do I have to wait until next settlement for withdrawal if I submit it now?
[2015-12-12 12:07:54] SnackyCoins : its not the same, there is no clawback on xbu
[2015-12-12 12:08:05] zanza : oh, my mistake
[2015-12-12 12:08:11] SnackyCoins : because low leverage
[2015-12-12 12:08:28] SnackyCoins : rapidtrades it happens in 1h
[2015-12-12 12:08:28] AudibleScience : how is withheld profit post settlement possible?
[2015-12-12 12:08:47] SnackyCoins : is it on 7d?
[2015-12-12 12:08:51] SnackyCoins : or something else?
[2015-12-12 12:09:06] AudibleScience : SnackyCoins: 24h
[2015-12-12 12:09:25] SnackyCoins : its gotta be somewhere else if you didn't re-open
[2015-12-12 12:09:49] sleger : AudibleScience: maybe clawback?
[2015-12-12 12:10:13] BitMEX_Arthur : The only contract that settled was `XBT24H`
[2015-12-12 12:10:28] BitMEX_Arthur : if you have positions on Z15, H16, or 7D there would be no change in withheld profit
[2015-12-12 12:10:29] sleger : I have 5btc as well which is about the clawback size
[2015-12-12 12:11:25] sleger : BitMEX_Arthur: Give fee credit up to clawback size for affected users?
[2015-12-12 12:11:25] mwalshe99 : clawback fucked me for a whole one :(
[2015-12-12 12:11:42] SnackyCoins : arthur i heard a neat idea vix was talking about. in the real world, after post settlement there is a short delay where you can only place maker orders, to meat-up the book. what do you think of that here?
[2015-12-12 12:12:02] BitMEX_Arthur : sleger: The DPE adjustment is a crucial feature for us to allow 100x leverage
[2015-12-12 12:12:18] AudibleScience : must be from a trade on the 7d... lol my bad!!
[2015-12-12 12:12:23] BitMEX_Arthur : Given that, we won't be doing any sort of commission rebate for traders who had a profit
[2015-12-12 12:12:30] BitMEX_Arthur : that was adjusted
[2015-12-12 12:12:43] thehawthorne : +
[2015-12-12 12:12:50] BitMEX_Arthur : SnackyCoins: Interesting thought, will think about that
[2015-12-12 12:12:55] SnackyCoins : i'd miss my lowball "gotcha" orders i put in right away, but it seems like a good thing to do overall
[2015-12-12 12:13:00] mwalshe99 : yea tbh i don't blame you
[2015-12-12 12:13:07] SnackyCoins : even 30 seconds would be plenty
[2015-12-12 12:13:13] mwalshe99 : anyone who profited yesterday doesn't have much to complain about :P
[2015-12-12 12:14:09] SnackyCoins : also my would be record-profits day became 2nd place at settlement. i think any sane person should be totally fine with that lol
[2015-12-12 12:14:10] rapidtrades : mwalshe99: yeah we do...I did arbs and buying/selling premium plays so with this I've lost all my profits
[2015-12-12 12:14:33] mwalshe99 : dangers of arbing :(
[2015-12-12 12:14:35] SnackyCoins : thats why xbt is speculation and not hedging
[2015-12-12 12:14:37] sleger : BitMEX_Arthur: 0kcoin added a fee times brc from their own pool to insurance fund, some other exchange also gave fee credit.
[2015-12-12 12:14:50] SnackyCoins : you should do those trades on xbu rapid
[2015-12-12 12:14:59] rapidtrades : It's a small test amount but it shows that these types of strategies are not possible here, so I will be stopping that test as well going forward
[2015-12-12 12:15:18] SnackyCoins : they aren't possible anywhere 8)
[2015-12-12 12:15:27] SnackyCoins : actually here is the one place you can do it, on xbu only
[2015-12-12 12:15:38] BitMEX_Arthur : sleger: If you want 100x leverage, you will have to deal with the fact that a profit adjustment is possible
[2015-12-12 12:15:39] psyfur : clawback :-(
[2015-12-12 12:15:47] mwalshe99 : BitMEX_Arthur: +1
[2015-12-12 12:15:47] SnackyCoins : nobody else even offers a no-clawback futures contract
[2015-12-12 12:16:32] sleger : That has nothing to do with 100x. Same thing happens with 10x. Also I do not "want" 100x. My max leverage has been 5 here
[2015-12-12 12:16:40] mwalshe99 : first position of the day. long here we gfo
[2015-12-12 12:17:13] sleger : SnackyCoins: i'm not talking about no clawback... Just give back fees collected that day to atfected users
[2015-12-12 12:17:23] BitMEX_Arthur : sleger: The reason why this contract attracts liquidity is the fact that there is the ability to trade with 100x leverage
[2015-12-12 12:17:31] SnackyCoins : "qq more noob"
[2015-12-12 12:18:15] ohmannomma : hi
[2015-12-12 12:18:27] sleger : BitMEX_Arthur: i think you are mistaken. Liquidity is provided by bots here mostly and they don't ever use high leverage
[2015-12-12 12:18:38] ohmannomma : can you checj why ive been charged 0.1 to open a position?
[2015-12-12 12:18:56] zanza : sleger: even with 5x leverage, the 100x effects your liquidation pr
[2015-12-12 12:19:13] rapidtrades : yeah it's like sleger discovers clawback for the first time lol...I got 50% on Litecoin few months back..this is why u test new products with small amounts and don't brag about trading 30k contracts on sites u don't understand @SnackyCoins
[2015-12-12 12:19:20] BitMEX_Arthur : sleger: Agreed, but the users trading against the bots like the leverage which is why they trade here
[2015-12-12 12:19:35] SnackyCoins : i was in that same clawback RT
[2015-12-12 12:19:47] SnackyCoins : it was worse than 50%
[2015-12-12 12:20:03] rapidtrades : 52%
[2015-12-12 12:20:14] rapidtrades : on okc
[2015-12-12 12:20:17] sleger : BitMEX_Arthur: I understand completely. I was talking about a commercial gesture like 0kcoin does. But I see you don't want to
[2015-12-12 12:20:38] ohmannomma : can you checj why ive been charged 0.1 to open a position?
[2015-12-12 12:20:49] SnackyCoins : This might be the sleep deprivation talking but @sleger you're being a little bitch right now
[2015-12-12 12:20:53] sleger : rapidtrades: no I dont discover anything dont worry... Reas above
[2015-12-12 12:20:59] ohmannomma : BitMEX_Arthur: can you please check?
[2015-12-12 12:21:20] BitMEX_Arthur : ohmannomma: If you took liquidity you paid commissions which is why there is a cost to open a position
[2015-12-12 12:21:41] ohmannomma : 1st time ive been charged 0.1 for 1800 contracts
[2015-12-12 12:21:44] BitMEX_Arthur : Check your https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory and you will see the commission paid on each order
[2015-12-12 12:21:47] ohmannomma : can you check please?
[2015-12-12 12:22:00] BitMEX_Arthur : Please check your trade history, it will show all the charges for each position
[2015-12-12 12:22:33] ohmannomma : infact it sats 0.0052
[2015-12-12 12:22:41] ohmannomma : but ive been charged 0.1 o think
[2015-12-12 12:22:47] ohmannomma : can you check please?
[2015-12-12 12:22:49] cengel : how much did the insurance fund cover?
[2015-12-12 12:22:55] SnackyCoins : https://twitter.com/Wu_Tang_Finance/status/675425044240076800
[2015-12-12 12:23:01] sleger : SnackyCoins: didnt ask for your opinion tbh
[2015-12-12 12:23:01] ohmannomma : how much was my balance before and after?
[2015-12-12 12:23:18] cataquil : lol @rapidtrades
[2015-12-12 12:23:44] ohmannomma : hello>?!?
[2015-12-12 12:23:44] BitMEX_Arthur : ohmannomma: If you really are confused please submit a support request, but I would advise you to check your trade history first
[2015-12-12 12:23:50] ohmannomma : nono
[2015-12-12 12:23:54] ohmannomma : i am asking you
[2015-12-12 12:24:02] sleger : ohmannomma: email
[2015-12-12 12:24:02] BitMEX_Arthur : I am telling you to submit a support request
[2015-12-12 12:24:03] ohmannomma : to check before and after
[2015-12-12 12:24:08] ohmannomma : i am not confused at all
[2015-12-12 12:24:15] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: don't see anything in my history either
[2015-12-12 12:24:26] ohmannomma : i had 0.59 now ive got 0.49
[2015-12-12 12:24:28] ohmannomma : check
[2015-12-12 12:24:44] BitMEX_Arthur : Guys send a support ticket, and we can deal with your issue
[2015-12-12 12:24:51] rapidtrades : I got a general idea of my clawback by wtahcing my balance pre/post settlement but the amount is nowhere to be found
[2015-12-12 12:25:02] ohmannomma : ? so what are you doing here?
[2015-12-12 12:25:08] ohmannomma : just chatting around?
[2015-12-12 12:25:12] ohmannomma : can you please check?
[2015-12-12 12:25:18] cengel : lol chill out man
[2015-12-12 12:25:25] sleger : ohmannomma: whats your iq?
[2015-12-12 12:25:28] ohmannomma : well...
[2015-12-12 12:25:30] cengel : It's good to submit a ticket so there's a paper trail to refer to
[2015-12-12 12:25:32] cengel : Try to calm down
[2015-12-12 12:25:37] ohmannomma : sledger, i could you show you my iq
[2015-12-12 12:25:51] thehawthorne : By doing what kind of thing?
[2015-12-12 12:25:55] ohmannomma : if you had half of mine you wouldnt have such a nickname
[2015-12-12 12:26:23] sleger : Yes I probably wouldnt be able to breathe with 10 of iq
[2015-12-12 12:26:28] thehawthorne : flaming in TROLLBOX for checking anything regarding your ACCOUNT and MONEY instead of contacting Support
[2015-12-12 12:26:37] thehawthorne : think you already showed your iq
[2015-12-12 12:26:55] ohmannomma : maybe you think you can, but actually those are bubbles
[2015-12-12 12:27:18] cataquil : yehe
[2015-12-12 12:27:30] ohmannomma : contacting support?? who are you, all emplyees of this 'company'?
[2015-12-12 12:27:51] rapidtrades : u know I don't usually rag on smone that most 2k but in this case it couldn't have happened to a better person....the guy gloated here after I left chat saying ''I got him banned''
[2015-12-12 12:27:54] SnackyCoins : there is actually a support team to answer tickets
[2015-12-12 12:27:57] SnackyCoins : why dont you try it
[2015-12-12 12:28:06] ohmannomma : support is here, he can check, since the stats are not cmopletely transparent
[2015-12-12 12:28:08] thehawthorne : Well, thats what most people would do if it is about money, not fucking around in a toolbox chat
[2015-12-12 12:28:21] ethexio : Whee
[2015-12-12 12:28:35] ohmannomma : exactly
[2015-12-12 12:28:58] ohmannomma : and if it is not completely transparent, everybody must know.. even who bubbles
[2015-12-12 12:30:01] thehawthorne : maybe your glasses are not completely transparent
[2015-12-12 12:30:06] SnackyCoins : man... the perceptions of money
[2015-12-12 12:30:08] sleger : rapidtrades saying "i dont usually rag on someone" MEGAlol: he almost got banned for insulting random people
[2015-12-12 12:30:10] cengel : Is the insurance fund balance shown yet? I can't remember if this update was pushed
[2015-12-12 12:30:34] sleger : cengel: i'd like to know how much it was too
[2015-12-12 12:30:48] BitMEX_Arthur : cengel: No there is no fund balance, shown we publish the real time tax rate
[2015-12-12 12:31:22] SnackyCoins : one guy wins more than my whole account and is mad, another guy loses $40 and is even more mad, no shortage of salt tonight
[2015-12-12 12:31:23] cengel : Ah okay, do you do like OKCoin where the fund is totally depleted or you maintain a balance to mitigate adjustments consistently
[2015-12-12 12:31:28] ethexio : Someone got rekt and is mad
[2015-12-12 12:31:57] habibi : sleger: how much u made on all longers :D?
[2015-12-12 12:32:23] SnackyCoins : i had a fantastic night. fun as hell. i love bitcoin and bitmex :)
[2015-12-12 12:32:30] sleger : habibi: i wasnt just long on 24h yesterday. I made 22 but 5 got taxed away
[2015-12-12 12:32:36] BitMEX_Arthur : The algo that determines how far to trade into the orderbook takes into account any funds from that contract settlement period, so ti's not desecrate number pre see
[2015-12-12 12:32:38] cengel : Nobody was complaining when OKCoin was registering socialised losses and BitMEX at 100x didn't last month.
[2015-12-12 12:32:50] habibi : yea i know, on else people longs i mean
[2015-12-12 12:32:52] rapidtrades : SnackyCoins: clawbacks are bad for business imo but as long as futures exchanges continue to use limits, they'll be here to stay...
[2015-12-12 12:32:55] habibi : how much ur bshort did
[2015-12-12 12:33:00] SnackyCoins : so you made 17 btc and are butthurt about it. thats what i hear
[2015-12-12 12:33:15] cengel : BitMEX_Arthur: ah okay so it's segregated per contract period. sounds good
[2015-12-12 12:33:41] sleger : SnackyCoins: no you dont hear (or read) well
[2015-12-12 12:33:41] SnackyCoins : well rapid literally every other btc exchange does it
[2015-12-12 12:33:53] rapidtrades : doesn't mean its right
[2015-12-12 12:33:55] SnackyCoins : 22-5? 17 yeah?
[2015-12-12 12:34:13] SnackyCoins : and i'll mention again: xbu has no clawback and this is the only place in the world you can get that
[2015-12-12 12:34:15] sleger : habibi: 0kcoin added twice 100btc from the fees collected to the insurance fund
[2015-12-12 12:34:23] BitMEX_Arthur : We have a contract XBU that has guaranteed settlement, we are thinking about what to do with it
[2015-12-12 12:34:33] BitMEX_Arthur : from user behaviour it seems that the community doesn't value these types of products
[2015-12-12 12:34:37] SnackyCoins : please dont nix it :( i might need it again
[2015-12-12 12:34:43] sleger : Sorry that was for @cengel
[2015-12-12 12:34:43] SnackyCoins : yeah it's sad
[2015-12-12 12:34:57] zanza : BitMEX_Arthur: we want
[2015-12-12 12:34:58] BitMEX_Arthur : well we need some of you to step up and market make otherwise it just looks sad next to 24h and 7d
[2015-12-12 12:34:59] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: it doesn't value it cos the fees are too high
[2015-12-12 12:35:04] zanza : casini
[2015-12-12 12:35:12] zanza : casino
[2015-12-12 12:35:18] BitMEX_Arthur : we have offered free fees for market makers, no one is interested
[2015-12-12 12:35:25] BitMEX_Arthur : so that isn't the factor limited the sucess
[2015-12-12 12:35:26] rapidtrades : ah ok
[2015-12-12 12:35:39] BitMEX_Arthur : you the users have spoke, 24h traded over 30k coins
[2015-12-12 12:35:43] BitMEX_Arthur : in last 24 hours
[2015-12-12 12:35:53] BitMEX_Arthur : putting us top 10 exchange in terms of volume
[2015-12-12 12:35:58] BitMEX_Arthur : XBUZ15 traded pretty much 0
[2015-12-12 12:36:12] habibi : yep guys i think i am moving to bitvc soon anyway ;p
[2015-12-12 12:36:13] sleger : So you collected 15btc of fees
[2015-12-12 12:36:21] zanza : BitMEX_Arthur: congrats!
[2015-12-12 12:36:56] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Arthur: right now, the community is just speculating, xbu will rise when people actually start hedging
[2015-12-12 12:36:57] sleger : Given dpe if I were you I would do like 0kcoin and gift back part of it as dpe are results of lack of liquidity
[2015-12-12 12:37:00] psyfur : bitmex's UI is great, you guys deserve the growth for sure
[2015-12-12 12:37:08] zanza : sleger https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2015-12-12 12:37:16] zanza : rules were set out, nothing ch
[2015-12-12 12:37:17] SnackyCoins : maybe a CFD hedging product? i know you guys offer hedging but i would like self-service of some kind.
[2015-12-12 12:37:22] sleger : zanza: So whAt?
[2015-12-12 12:37:43] zanza : you sound awful right now, that you came out ahead but want more
[2015-12-12 12:37:48] habibi : 20k contracts at 24h
[2015-12-12 12:37:53] habibi : everyone so scared to play here
[2015-12-12 12:37:53] habibi : :D
[2015-12-12 12:38:15] AudibleScience : habibi: how come?
[2015-12-12 12:38:30] sleger : zanza: you're entitled to your opinion
[2015-12-12 12:38:32] SnackyCoins : i already called him out on that zanza. #silverspoon
[2015-12-12 12:38:37] chrisxbt : it just opened
[2015-12-12 12:38:38] laisee : AudibleScience: > /Sarcasm
[2015-12-12 12:38:45] habibi : i am just playing with u coz i see some shitstorm :p anyway i am mad as well for that action but these are the rules of this exchange
[2015-12-12 12:38:49] zanza : sleger: im just saying its a fair game with the rules laid
[2015-12-12 12:38:51] habibi : basically of every future
[2015-12-12 12:38:59] SnackyCoins : if you don't like DPE, it's time to get out of bitcoin
[2015-12-12 12:39:16] SnackyCoins : maybe buy some AAPL
[2015-12-12 12:39:20] zanza : if you really had this concern you would not have brought it up immediately after it negatively effected y
[2015-12-12 12:39:31] sleger : zanza: and i am justsaying 0kcoin bas the same rules YET when there is large clawback they give away most of the collected fees
[2015-12-12 12:39:57] SnackyCoins : okcoin has an epic shitload of money and has been around forever, and has had the most volume the whole time
[2015-12-12 12:40:00] zanza : apples to
[2015-12-12 12:40:00] SnackyCoins : they have like 300 employees
[2015-12-12 12:40:03] thehawthorne : what does that say
[2015-12-12 12:40:06] SnackyCoins : apples and damn oranges dude
[2015-12-12 12:40:07] zanza : why is my chat cutting off
[2015-12-12 12:40:20] habibi : and yea it would be great if bitmex guys add some money from them own to insurance fund, but they dont have to. on the other hand these taker fees are really high but still, they dont have to do anything
[2015-12-12 12:40:21] zanza : BXT and chipper can not be compare
[2015-12-12 12:40:21] thehawthorne : if others jump off a bridge would you go after them
[2015-12-12 12:40:53] zanza : one is quanto and other is USD lin
[2015-12-12 12:40:58] SnackyCoins : this place isn't backed by draper or anything
[2015-12-12 12:41:03] sleger : thehawthorne: such a smart example
[2015-12-12 12:41:14] chrisxbt : I thought bitmex mentioned an insurance fund
[2015-12-12 12:41:17] chrisxbt : how big is it
[2015-12-12 12:41:30] SnackyCoins : it was 0, chris
[2015-12-12 12:41:30] ohmannomma : so what is support email
[2015-12-12 12:41:30] sleger : chrisxbt: 0
[2015-12-12 12:41:40] ohmannomma : or link?
[2015-12-12 12:41:55] chrisxbt : it's supposed to grow right?
[2015-12-12 12:41:58] ohmannomma : after i pay all this commissions, i feel like i should be served better
[2015-12-12 12:41:58] thehawthorne : https://bitmex.freshdesk.com/support/home
[2015-12-12 12:42:03] cataquil : psyfur: ui is good but has room for improvement
[2015-12-12 12:42:08] ohmannomma : no?
[2015-12-12 12:42:17] ohmannomma : its not ME having to write support
[2015-12-12 12:42:18] chrisxbt : If BitMEX is able to liquidate the position at better than the bankruptcy price, the additional funds will be used to offset losses on other bankrupt positions. If there are not bankrupt positions to offset, the leftover Bitcoin will be used to offset losses in the next contract.
[2015-12-12 12:42:21] sleger : ohmannomma: breakfast in bed?
[2015-12-12 12:42:32] psyfur : yeah probably but i got used to it very quickly