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[2015-12-12 06:41:02] BitMEX_Arthur : habibi: 0 BTC
[2015-12-12 06:41:03] habibi : coz dpe takes it easily and Wally couldnt give a simple number.
[2015-12-12 06:41:03] laisee : chromaticcr: > we'd have to pass around a hat and collect enough to settle contract.
[2015-12-12 06:41:46] SnackyCoins : does an insurance fund exist, despite being empty? :)
[2015-12-12 06:42:10] zanza : wally spent it on a new 21 Inc Bitcoin Computer
[2015-12-12 06:42:17] chromaticcr : there is no insurance for XBT (sepculative cont.s)
[2015-12-12 06:42:43] SnackyCoins : fair enough, small house
[2015-12-12 06:43:11] podizzler3k : well im gonna go play some mortal kombat hit me up when 445 is in play
[2015-12-12 06:45:56] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 3170 @ 431.75
[2015-12-12 06:47:07] zanza : that was a 16% swing
[2015-12-12 06:47:12] zanza : in 20 minutes?
[2015-12-12 06:47:22] SnackyCoins : i love bitcoin
[2015-12-12 06:47:49] zanza : more like 100 minutes
[2015-12-12 06:47:59] zanza : 468 -> 403
[2015-12-12 06:49:42] zanza : rapidtrades: were you on finex today?
[2015-12-12 06:50:55] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: yes all bitcoin futures use limit orders, but if u examine the charts u can see that the swings are exacerbated on futures...today on okc futures we dropped from 487>410 but on spot we fell from 474>406...also during the previous rally/drop the swings were $50-$100 over spot...so you can't draw a conclusion that using limits works better imo
[2015-12-12 06:51:39] BitMEX_Arthur : SnackyCoins: DPE rate shown takes into account any positive Bitcoin available to offset losses
[2015-12-12 06:51:58] SnackyCoins : oh neat
[2015-12-12 06:52:08] SnackyCoins : dem nuances 8)
[2015-12-12 06:59:05] podizzler3k : rapidtrades i look forward to your exchange
[2015-12-12 06:59:09] podizzler3k : should be nice
[2015-12-12 07:00:54] zanza : podizzler3k: xD
[2015-12-12 07:01:01] SnackyCoins : rapidtrades dropping that montreal high class of 2017 knowledge on arthur
[2015-12-12 07:01:11] SnackyCoins : he can probably take arthur in a fight too
[2015-12-12 07:01:12] zanza : http://imgur.com/gallery/bmyBQBE
[2015-12-12 07:07:09] Swedishnut : Anyone Watch the Ridiculous 6 on Netflix yet OM Goodness wow soo good
[2015-12-12 07:07:44] zanza : nop
[2015-12-12 07:07:54] zanza : Swedishnut: where are you vacationing?
[2015-12-12 07:08:29] Swedishnut : Colorado in the USA. Winter Park going Skiing in the AM
[2015-12-12 07:09:55] zanza : oh wow
[2015-12-12 07:10:04] zanza : i hear tickets are expensive there, like $140 per day
[2015-12-12 07:10:46] TschavaTschigger : morning... wtf 450k+ open interest? how?
[2015-12-12 07:11:05] zanza : TschavaTschigger: good morning https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/order/liquidations
[2015-12-12 07:11:41] j8 : someone caught 322663 sharp knives
[2015-12-12 07:11:49] zanza : j8: :D
[2015-12-12 07:12:35] macios15 : j8: xD
[2015-12-12 07:13:04] j8 : there was that big liquidated short earlier today too eh.. big day for bitmex
[2015-12-12 07:13:16] TschavaTschigger : oO
[2015-12-12 07:13:18] macios15 : jep 200k
[2015-12-12 07:14:06] zanza : we are 8 points away from eating the order
[2015-12-12 07:14:56] REKT : Liquidated short on XBTH16: Buy 1000 @ 505.75
[2015-12-12 07:16:01] podizzler3k : someone called?
[2015-12-12 07:16:26] zanza : so the short is liquidated at 505.75, but its listed at 508.73
[2015-12-12 07:16:35] podizzler3k : might have been an order set from the day before
[2015-12-12 07:16:36] SnackyCoins : stop getting rekt guys we trying to make this number better not worse
[2015-12-12 07:16:47] podizzler3k : i had a buy at 331 and when i heard the click of order filled i freake dout
[2015-12-12 07:16:47] zanza : it was March SnackyCoins
[2015-12-12 07:16:53] podizzler3k : last thing i was trying to do is catch knives
[2015-12-12 07:17:21] SnackyCoins : oh heh wow
[2015-12-12 07:17:54] j8 : more filled liquidations now means more donations that offset DPE
[2015-12-12 07:18:13] j8 : so feel free
[2015-12-12 07:19:40] habibi : still for me much more possible that we will drop under 400 than we will stay above 420
[2015-12-12 07:19:43] habibi : till settlement
[2015-12-12 07:19:49] habibi : but hopefully i am wrong
[2015-12-12 07:20:16] podizzler3k : 11 pages of liquidations on okcoin today
[2015-12-12 07:20:19] podizzler3k : id say they did ok
[2015-12-12 07:33:49] habibi : BitMEX_Arthur: dpe affects realised pnl or withheld profit?
[2015-12-12 07:34:07] SnackyCoins : withheld profit
[2015-12-12 07:34:19] BitMEX_Wally : habibi: Withheld profit is just realised profit. And DPE is taken from realised profit
[2015-12-12 07:34:34] podizzler3k : we're comin for you 445 you can try to hide but we seeeeeeeeee youuuuuuuuuuu
[2015-12-12 07:34:58] SnackyCoins : couldn't realized profit include btc from XBU though? 8)
[2015-12-12 07:35:02] podizzler3k : that would be ironic if i bought my own liquidation back
[2015-12-12 07:35:11] SnackyCoins : is that yours pod?
[2015-12-12 07:35:18] habibi : that wont happen podizzler3k dont worry about
[2015-12-12 07:35:28] podizzler3k : oh really
[2015-12-12 07:35:31] podizzler3k : u sure about that
[2015-12-12 07:36:02] habibi : the only option i see is somehow panic fuckin fomo up to 440 on finex and sleger in panic closing his big big short into liquidation
[2015-12-12 07:36:07] podizzler3k : snackycoins lol nah if it was i wouldnt be cheerfully trolling away id be in a dark alley in my batman suit looking for a fight
[2015-12-12 07:36:08] habibi : ask
[2015-12-12 07:36:13] BitMEX_Wally : SnackyCoins: DPE is per-contract basis
[2015-12-12 07:36:22] podizzler3k : habibi keep saying that
[2015-12-12 07:36:23] podizzler3k : its working
[2015-12-12 07:36:37] macios15 : only 12% now
[2015-12-12 07:36:39] SnackyCoins : ahh, i thought all the dpe contracts were done together. I guess that doesn't make sense since they don't settle together 8)
[2015-12-12 07:36:48] habibi : macios take look at settle price
[2015-12-12 07:36:52] habibi : not at fair
[2015-12-12 07:36:54] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah we think it's fairer this way
[2015-12-12 07:37:13] BitMEX_Wally : Profits made in XBT24H are adjusted to cover bankruptcies in XBT24H only
[2015-12-12 07:37:15] SnackyCoins : if we could eat 445 and then go a bit more and have some massive 300k margin call shorts at a few dollars higher- that would be super kickass
[2015-12-12 07:37:35] SnackyCoins : i'll eat a hat
[2015-12-12 07:37:52] thehawthorne : morning
[2015-12-12 07:38:07] thehawthorne : did you get out in time fellas? ;)
[2015-12-12 07:38:17] podizzler3k : the sad part is we havent yet made it back to the first dumpzone
[2015-12-12 07:38:19] habibi : out in time/short in time
[2015-12-12 07:38:32] habibi : from 2 btc to 6 btc, but dpe is not in time
[2015-12-12 07:41:16] macios15 : habibi: ema didnt crossed jet
[2015-12-12 07:44:16] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 500 @ 444.93
[2015-12-12 07:44:36] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 1500 @ 445.10
[2015-12-12 07:48:02] podizzler3k : ema really
[2015-12-12 07:48:12] podizzler3k : after what you seen from okcoin you still think TA is playing a role
[2015-12-12 07:49:08] podizzler3k : 445 is within sight!
[2015-12-12 07:49:11] podizzler3k : on 1.0 grouping!
[2015-12-12 07:49:21] podizzler3k : habibi gonna eat his shoe
[2015-12-12 07:49:29] podizzler3k : i mean snackycoins gonna eat a hat
[2015-12-12 07:50:26] habibi : hm maybe if we would ddos all exchanges that stands up for block price...for like 5 hours
[2015-12-12 07:50:35] podizzler3k : i feel like bttcchina is a legitimate exchange. never see much shenanigans out of them
[2015-12-12 07:50:35] habibi : maybe settlement price would froze! :D
[2015-12-12 07:50:41] podizzler3k : too bad huobi and okcoin exist
[2015-12-12 07:50:46] podizzler3k : yeah that premium is quite wild
[2015-12-12 07:51:17] habibi : nah i am good with that, just want to keep settlement price as high as possible to save dpe :p
[2015-12-12 07:53:25] BitMEX_Wally : podizzler3k: Yeah I trust BTCC with my coin
[2015-12-12 07:56:44] BitMEX_Wally : <img src="http://www.brainlesstales.com/images/misc/bitcoin-roller-coaster.gif">
[2015-12-12 07:57:06] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2047 @ 436.62
[2015-12-12 07:57:23] JDUB99 : lol
[2015-12-12 07:57:33] JDUB99 : you guys should make a tshirt with that
[2015-12-12 08:00:16] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1463 @ 435.20
[2015-12-12 08:01:23] zanza : dont feed it!
[2015-12-12 08:05:53] podizzler3k : switch was my long orders today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGc-iPc-9dE
[2015-12-12 08:32:14] cataquil : awake
[2015-12-12 08:32:19] cataquil : wow 480
[2015-12-12 08:44:37] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 900 @ 437.58
[2015-12-12 08:44:39] TschavaTschigger : zanza: 140 bucks for a skiing ticket?
[2015-12-12 08:45:06] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1499 @ 430.15
[2015-12-12 08:45:27] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2000 @ 429.07
[2015-12-12 08:45:27] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 3 @ 428.99
[2015-12-12 08:46:14] zanza : TschavaTschigger: in Colorado I hear per day thats what it is
[2015-12-12 08:46:27] zanza : wow u guys
[2015-12-12 08:46:32] zanza : keep feeding the liquidation
[2015-12-12 08:47:26] zanza : this settlement gunna be a train wreck
[2015-12-12 08:48:20] TschavaTschigger : zanza: that's insane. I am from one of the most posh skiing towns in Europe and even there it's only 60 a da
[2015-12-12 08:48:47] zanza : 60 EUR is like 70 USD
[2015-12-12 08:49:00] zanza : I can't find the liquidation on the orderbook for 24H?
[2015-12-12 08:49:20] podizzler3k : it doesnt matter anymore
[2015-12-12 08:49:33] zanza : but its not even listed lol?
[2015-12-12 08:49:41] zanza : what if some trader wanted to scopp it up
[2015-12-12 08:49:44] thehawthorne : say goodbye to 50% of your profit
[2015-12-12 08:50:41] zanza : the liquidation sure works mysteriously here
[2015-12-12 08:50:42] TschavaTschigger : no its 50 Euro... and we have like 150 kilometers of pist
[2015-12-12 08:51:02] thehawthorne : where r you from
[2015-12-12 08:51:22] TschavaTschigger : originally kitzbühel
[2015-12-12 08:51:45] thehawthorne : this is that famous skiing town imho
[2015-12-12 08:51:47] zanza : http://adventure-journal.com/2015/02/the-aj-list-the-most-expensive-lift-tickets-in-america/
[2015-12-12 08:51:47] thehawthorne : am i right
[2015-12-12 08:53:34] TschavaTschigger : yes
[2015-12-12 08:53:55] BitMEX_Arthur : Best powder is in Japan
[2015-12-12 08:53:56] BitMEX_Arthur : Niseiko
[2015-12-12 08:55:21] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Arthur: rly? I was skiing in quite some places, but never Japan
[2015-12-12 08:55:46] BitMEX_Arthur : It's amazing, fresh tracks and dumps a few times each week
[2015-12-12 08:55:51] BitMEX_Arthur : The food is also amazing
[2015-12-12 08:55:59] TschavaTschigger : Best powder I ever got was Blue River, Canada/bc
[2015-12-12 08:56:00] BitMEX_Arthur : The main problem is it's not super steep
[2015-12-12 08:58:31] thehawthorne : Dolomites in Europe are quite nice
[2015-12-12 08:59:12] TschavaTschigger : we have incredible powder too.. yeah dolomites are just around the corner.
[2015-12-12 08:59:26] thehawthorne : you can cross borders while skiing
[2015-12-12 08:59:40] TschavaTschigger : thehawthorne: normal in Europe
[2015-12-12 09:00:07] thehawthorne : not with all that fences being built these days :D
[2015-12-12 09:00:58] TschavaTschigger : our ski region is connecting towns that are 40 km apart
[2015-12-12 09:01:26] TschavaTschigger : you can go between them just by skiis, no bus/taxi or anything
[2015-12-12 09:02:07] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2000 @ 428.08
[2015-12-12 09:02:57] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 16940 @ 426.93 <b>MEGA-REKT</b>
[2015-12-12 09:03:04] thehawthorne : may you please stop this insanity
[2015-12-12 09:03:08] TschavaTschigger : zanza: Haha so the $145 are real.... lmao
[2015-12-12 09:05:36] macios15 : yesteday at same time we ware at same price
[2015-12-12 09:06:08] thehawthorne : but with 0% DPE
[2015-12-12 09:10:35] zanza : wow this 24H liquidation is snowballing
[2015-12-12 09:11:01] zanza : dat orderbook
[2015-12-12 09:13:05] zanza : how come the liquidations aren't showing up on the books?
[2015-12-12 09:14:58] BitMEX_Arthur : zanza: They are, all the orders are grouped into one, you can see it at 443.43, as more longs get liquidated the average price will drop further
[2015-12-12 09:16:24] TschavaTschigger : an hour ago the orderbook had more than 64 levels on one side. first time I have ever seen that
[2015-12-12 09:17:39] zanza : oh maybe its a display error for me, I only see up to 432
[2015-12-12 09:17:52] zanza : and its empty above that
[2015-12-12 09:18:22] dorothy490 : I have unrealized profits in BTC24 and BTC7D
[2015-12-12 09:18:35] dorothy490 : how can I see how much unrealized profits for each instrument?
[2015-12-12 09:19:27] dorothy490 : I found one way.. open any pending active order and look to the column "ralized PNL"
[2015-12-12 09:20:15] zanza : https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet @dorothy490
[2015-12-12 09:20:48] dorothy490 : it shows summary witheld profit, not for each instrument separately @zanza
[2015-12-12 09:21:25] zanza : switch to Basic view
[2015-12-12 09:21:32] zanza : its pretty clear right there
[2015-12-12 09:22:09] dorothy490 : hmm. how to switch into "basic" view?
[2015-12-12 09:22:58] zanza : can you see sell orders over 432? dorothy490
[2015-12-12 09:23:57] dorothy490 : 431,1 is max foir me atm
[2015-12-12 09:24:13] zanza : dorothy490: click on your name in the upper right
[2015-12-12 09:25:07] dorothy490 : i had basic by default. switching basic/advanced in wallet menu changes nothing
[2015-12-12 09:26:34] zanza : can check with the support help desk
[2015-12-12 09:26:42] dorothy490 : anyway I have a wrokaround so dont care anymore
[2015-12-12 09:31:49] zanza : finex has the leasst shorts ive seen now
[2015-12-12 09:32:20] zanza : since 2 years
[2015-12-12 09:37:37] dorothy490 : yes, and longs increased
[2015-12-12 09:50:02] ethexio : 33.5% profit adjustment
[2015-12-12 09:50:51] ethexio : Epic day/week
[2015-12-12 09:51:09] habibi : dont worry its about 40% at 422 $ ;p
[2015-12-12 09:51:17] BitMEX_Arthur : EM countries are leaking cash as their currencies get pumped, it's going to be a wild FOMC week
[2015-12-12 09:51:20] dorothy490 : that would be biggest claw back for mex ever
[2015-12-12 09:54:13] zanza : Sam secretely messaged me he is going to put in his own 50 BTC to help with todays settlment
[2015-12-12 09:54:52] laisee : zanza: > donations accepted here?
[2015-12-12 09:55:37] dorothy490 : I got email from CEO of bitcoin this morning that he will cover up to 20% clawbacks on all exchanges
[2015-12-12 09:56:04] ethexio : Sam's here in bed with me right now and he says 'naaw'
[2015-12-12 09:56:57] laisee : I have Satoshi sitting with me in a bar in Roppongi and he says he will cover ALL .
[2015-12-12 09:57:10] habibi : "naah, let the f%$kers got what they reserve to" :p
[2015-12-12 09:57:20] ethexio : (To donation, not naaw for yum yum time)
[2015-12-12 09:58:18] thehawthorne : MOONTIME
[2015-12-12 09:58:36] thehawthorne : ...or maybe not? 8)
[2015-12-12 09:59:03] zanza : ethexio: wow Sam is a dirty cheater
[2015-12-12 09:59:52] TschavaTschigger : laisee: you are sitting with arthur in a bar?
[2015-12-12 10:00:20] TschavaTschigger : #arthur=satoshi #spreadtherumor
[2015-12-12 10:00:27] laisee : yes, but he says to call him "Satoshi-san"
[2015-12-12 10:01:14] BitMEX_Arthur : I wish i was in Tokyo eating some sushi and drinking sake
[2015-12-12 10:01:18] BitMEX_Arthur : I'm down in Singapore in the jungle
[2015-12-12 10:01:24] ethexio : zanza: sorry :( his idea
[2015-12-12 10:01:33] habibi : and rapidtrades is a creator of willybot at the time it started selling all way down
[2015-12-12 10:01:42] laisee : http://satoshishere.com
[2015-12-12 10:03:11] ethexio : BitMEX_Arthur: go to stream and catch a fish. Sushi
[2015-12-12 10:03:43] ethexio : (Non polluted stream)
[2015-12-12 10:04:30] ethexio : (Not piranha, ick)
[2015-12-12 10:04:47] cataquil : really? rapidtrades is a creator of willybot
[2015-12-12 10:05:06] ethexio : Doubtful
[2015-12-12 10:05:52] ethexio : Rapid shorted all the way up. He was ahead of his time.
[2015-12-12 10:06:27] HotDogs : Maybe we should rename him RIPdtrades
[2015-12-12 10:06:57] laisee : rekktrades
[2015-12-12 10:07:57] HotDogs : Aris Chickun
[2015-12-12 10:08:04] HotDogs : Arise
[2015-12-12 10:08:05] TschavaTschigger : http://imgur.com/z6NOSbn
[2015-12-12 10:08:32] thehawthorne : HEHEHEHE
[2015-12-12 10:08:35] cataquil : who is arthur?
[2015-12-12 10:08:36] thehawthorne : moontime
[2015-12-12 10:08:40] BitMEX_Arthur : :)
[2015-12-12 10:10:23] laisee : king of the brits, defender of the faith, etc etc
[2015-12-12 10:10:36] BitMEX_Arthur : King of the Andels
[2015-12-12 10:10:39] cataquil : reloaded 426, but some orders not hit
[2015-12-12 10:10:43] BitMEX_Arthur : protector of the faith
[2015-12-12 10:10:52] BitMEX_Arthur : Slayer of dragons
[2015-12-12 10:11:14] thehawthorne : Hunter of short skirts
[2015-12-12 10:12:04] habibi : i dont know who is Arthur but i am pretty sure that he is definitely not a "Saint Protector of 0% DPE@Bitmex" :(
[2015-12-12 10:12:28] laisee : posesssed of most noble visage since the last bloke on the chair
[2015-12-12 10:12:35] SnackyCoins : we got almost 2 hours 8)
[2015-12-12 10:12:50] BitMEX_Arthur : Keep Hope Alive
[2015-12-12 10:12:59] habibi : but still during that night
[2015-12-12 10:13:08] habibi : like 90% of people here get rekt right? :p
[2015-12-12 10:13:27] BitMEX_Arthur : <img src="https://obeygiant.com/images/2008/11/obama-hope-shelter-copy-500x752.jpg">
[2015-12-12 10:13:52] laisee : habibi: > thats margin FX ...
[2015-12-12 10:14:13] habibi : funny stuff anyway:D so many account broken :p
[2015-12-12 10:15:48] laisee : Arise Sir BTC, your long, dark night of Chinese dumping is over
[2015-12-12 10:15:50] habibi : macios15: jak tam :p?
[2015-12-12 10:16:46] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Arthur: what's the open interest record? have we ever been above 500k?
[2015-12-12 10:16:57] BitMEX_Arthur : Not sure
[2015-12-12 10:17:05] BitMEX_Arthur : This is definitely a volume record for us
[2015-12-12 10:17:25] TschavaTschigger : I hope we see 1 million anytime soon
[2015-12-12 10:17:45] BitMEX_Arthur : That is the goal, we want to crush okcoin and huobi
[2015-12-12 10:18:13] TschavaTschigger : I moved 940 000 dollars in 24h with just 0.8 BTC used :D gotta love that leverage
[2015-12-12 10:18:25] habibi : now u will get few days with lover volumen tho, people need to takes loans for fresh cheap btc
[2015-12-12 10:18:26] TschavaTschigger : well, futures with value of 940k
[2015-12-12 10:19:11] habibi : BitMEX_Arthur: would u mind adding a sum up of user last 24h turnover somewhere in account tabs ?
[2015-12-12 10:19:41] TschavaTschigger : yeah, that would be fantastic... 24h contracts and 24 turnover
[2015-12-12 10:19:46] BitMEX_Arthur : You mean how much you traded?
[2015-12-12 10:19:50] TschavaTschigger : yes
[2015-12-12 10:20:08] zanza : you can download trade history CSV
[2015-12-12 10:20:12] TschavaTschigger : it's a pain in the ass to click through the trade history pages and download all the csvs
[2015-12-12 10:20:27] zanza : yes this is open interest record
[2015-12-12 10:20:30] TschavaTschigger : zanza: if you trade a lot, you have many pages in 24h
[2015-12-12 10:20:31] BitMEX_Arthur : We know we need to improve post trade reporting
[2015-12-12 10:20:39] BitMEX_Arthur : Many things on the dev list for 2016
[2015-12-12 10:21:34] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Arthur: anything like super-premium-vip-trader status that lowers fees? for people with 500k contract volume per day?
[2015-12-12 10:22:02] TschavaTschigger : i mean obvious you can't lower fees much anymore, but taker from 0.75 to 0.65 or something
[2015-12-12 10:22:02] BitMEX_Arthur : Our main carrot right now is you get paid to provide liquidity
[2015-12-12 10:22:22] thehawthorne : +
[2015-12-12 10:22:34] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Arthur: yeah I like that carrot, it tastes delicious. but I also like dessert a lot :D
[2015-12-12 10:22:37] zanza : that attracts bot people i think
[2015-12-12 10:22:56] BitMEX_Arthur : without bots the spreads will be wide for the day traders
[2015-12-12 10:23:52] zanza : any news on 24 hour rollover? :) @BitMEX_Arthur
[2015-12-12 10:24:08] BitMEX_Arthur : You mean a roll contract?
[2015-12-12 10:24:14] zanza : hah yeah
[2015-12-12 10:24:19] zanza : i heard some rumors
[2015-12-12 10:24:30] BitMEX_Arthur : We need to do some UI/UX work to make it understandable
[2015-12-12 10:24:36] zanza : ok
[2015-12-12 10:24:46] SnackyCoins : bots rule
[2015-12-12 10:24:47] BitMEX_Arthur : we have the capability for calendar spreads, but when we had them previously no one understood them
[2015-12-12 10:25:08] BitMEX_Arthur : and that was mainly due to poor UI/UX around rolling a position
[2015-12-12 10:25:15] SnackyCoins : i had no idea how to calendar spread.
[2015-12-12 10:25:15] BitMEX_Arthur : most traders still don't understand the concept
[2015-12-12 10:26:01] SnackyCoins : i think i would rather just do it manually
[2015-12-12 10:26:05] BitMEX_Arthur : tbh most people on a bank trading floor fuck up the roll
[2015-12-12 10:26:16] zanza : trading 24H is nice because vlume, but its high maintence you have to sit on it
[2015-12-12 10:26:22] BitMEX_Arthur : so i totally see how users who have never traded a calendar spread find it confusing
[2015-12-12 10:26:35] zanza : BitMEX_Arthur: lol
[2015-12-12 10:26:45] SnackyCoins : in bitcoin you always have to sit on it 8)
[2015-12-12 10:26:47] BitMEX_Arthur : which is why we delisted them
[2015-12-12 10:27:16] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P2FB9Mg_YI&noredirect=1
[2015-12-12 10:28:15] zanza : is that the norwagian troll guy
[2015-12-12 10:28:18] zanza : from whaleclub
[2015-12-12 10:28:25] BitMEX_Arthur : yeah he's awesome
[2015-12-12 10:28:27] BitMEX_Arthur : funniest dude in crypto
[2015-12-12 10:30:53] zanza : babysitting bitcoin, thats my life for the past few months
[2015-12-12 10:30:54] TschavaTschigger : hahahaha that video is absolutely hilarious
[2015-12-12 10:30:56] zanza : stressfull as hell
[2015-12-12 10:34:53] zanza : im thinking of going long on oil
[2015-12-12 10:34:58] zanza : 12 year lows atm
[2015-12-12 10:35:07] TschavaTschigger : oilcoins... that's it.. we need oilcoins
[2015-12-12 10:35:13] habibi : on gasoline u can go even longer
[2015-12-12 10:35:42] SnackyCoins : i'm looking for a long on oil down here, last one did not pan out
[2015-12-12 10:35:49] laisee : trade the crack spread ...
[2015-12-12 10:35:51] SnackyCoins : could be a while yet
[2015-12-12 10:36:15] SnackyCoins : also looking to short S&P on monday
[2015-12-12 10:36:21] SnackyCoins : kinda wish i'd have gotten in today
[2015-12-12 10:36:27] BitMEX_Arthur : I would buy some puts on HYG
[2015-12-12 10:36:30] BitMEX_Arthur : credit is going to come unglued
[2015-12-12 10:36:57] SnackyCoins : so they gonna raise rates just to drop them again?
[2015-12-12 10:37:08] BitMEX_Arthur : imo yes
[2015-12-12 10:37:20] laisee : Arthur> QE sand castle coming apart?
[2015-12-12 10:37:34] SnackyCoins : ha. wonder how long they will stay up.. maybe Q2 2016
[2015-12-12 10:37:57] zanza : interesting theory
[2015-12-12 10:38:04] SnackyCoins : i sold all my equities today
[2015-12-12 10:38:13] SnackyCoins : fuck the holiday season
[2015-12-12 10:38:20] BitMEX_Arthur : I still have stock vesting from my time at the bank
[2015-12-12 10:38:50] BitMEX_Arthur : can't wait to sell it next year
[2015-12-12 10:39:31] zanza : :)
[2015-12-12 10:40:17] zanza : ok, so potential theory, rates are raised this month (even if temporarily ) what would be a good investment play?
[2015-12-12 10:40:22] SnackyCoins : once they drop rates again i imagine it would be a good time for commodities?
[2015-12-12 10:40:29] zanza : put on HYG
[2015-12-12 10:40:55] BitMEX_Arthur : any of these high yield credit etfs
[2015-12-12 10:41:10] BitMEX_Arthur : structurally if people come to redeem there isn't enough primary market liq to handle it
[2015-12-12 10:41:18] BitMEX_Arthur : the ETF will trade at big discounts
[2015-12-12 10:41:28] BitMEX_Arthur : and hopefully u make good money on the options
[2015-12-12 10:41:35] BitMEX_Arthur : at least that's the trade thesis
[2015-12-12 10:41:37] zanza : :)
[2015-12-12 10:41:53] BitMEX_Arthur : also these leveraged VIX etfs
[2015-12-12 10:42:03] BitMEX_Arthur : the street is short vol
[2015-12-12 10:42:12] BitMEX_Arthur : option expiry is next friday
[2015-12-12 10:42:14] BitMEX_Arthur : right after fed
[2015-12-12 10:42:22] BitMEX_Arthur : we could get a massive VIX move into settlement
[2015-12-12 10:42:24] BitMEX_Arthur : that would rekt
[2015-12-12 10:42:26] BitMEX_Arthur : so many people
[2015-12-12 10:42:27] BitMEX_Arthur : and products
[2015-12-12 10:42:36] BitMEX_Arthur : might be a good put on these super leveraged VXX
[2015-12-12 10:42:37] SnackyCoins : sounds just like bitcoin. lol
[2015-12-12 10:43:08] BitMEX_Arthur : strategist from JPM wrote a good note about how structurally friday expiry could get interesting esp if spx continues falling
[2015-12-12 10:43:08] BitMEX_Arthur : after fed
[2015-12-12 10:43:11] BitMEX_Arthur : it's on zerohedge
[2015-12-12 10:43:39] messiaen8844 : Wild ride in my sleep, but no liquid ation here :)
[2015-12-12 10:43:44] SnackyCoins : how quick you think the action is gonna be? DEC puts too close?
[2015-12-12 10:43:58] BitMEX_Arthur : next week is the week
[2015-12-12 10:44:04] BitMEX_Arthur : shit could come unglued real quick
[2015-12-12 10:44:19] BitMEX_Arthur : and skew is very put over, so if u go longer maturities u are paying up massive for long vol
[2015-12-12 10:44:23] BitMEX_Arthur : might as well take a short punt
[2015-12-12 10:44:29] BitMEX_Arthur : small premium up front
[2015-12-12 10:44:32] BitMEX_Arthur : could get massive payout
[2015-12-12 10:44:39] BitMEX_Arthur : if fed raises and markets shit the bed
[2015-12-12 10:45:56] SnackyCoins : 77.5 puts are 51c
[2015-12-12 10:46:13] SnackyCoins : i think this will be my first option trade 8)
[2015-12-12 10:46:25] SnackyCoins : that's $2 down
[2015-12-12 10:46:52] zanza : too bad im not registered on any broker right now to do puts! need statist fiat for that :)
[2015-12-12 10:47:28] BitMEX_Arthur : Maybe i get raise some USD to fund my interactive brokers account before monday open in the us
[2015-12-12 10:47:40] zanza : go for it!
[2015-12-12 10:56:51] zanza : SnackyCoins: you think snp will go down, and oil go up ?
[2015-12-12 10:56:57] jung1 : helllo
[2015-12-12 10:57:01] zanza : hey jung1
[2015-12-12 10:57:12] jung1 : rekt bot was bussy last night I guess
[2015-12-12 10:57:15] TschavaTschigger : jung1: morning jung1
[2015-12-12 10:57:18] SnackyCoins : S&P is already on the way down and rates going up isn't going to help
[2015-12-12 10:57:20] TschavaTschigger : how is your ponzi doing? :D
[2015-12-12 10:57:39] jung1 : dunno. wait I will check
[2015-12-12 10:58:02] TschavaTschigger : error 404 - page not found
[2015-12-12 10:58:24] jung1 : still online, another two payments done in night
[2015-12-12 10:58:45] floopfloop : jung1: can i seer scam?
[2015-12-12 10:59:21] zanza : jung1: u run a ponzi ?
[2015-12-12 11:00:08] TschavaTschigger : zanza: no he invested in one.. 4% daily profit doing forex :D
[2015-12-12 11:00:27] zanza : ?
[2015-12-12 11:00:29] jung1 : https://marlive.com
[2015-12-12 11:00:48] jung1 : 10$ investmetn makes me serius player on forex
[2015-12-12 11:00:50] zanza : scam bro
[2015-12-12 11:00:51] jung1 : hehe
[2015-12-12 11:01:05] zanza : may as well write a check to Josh Garza
[2015-12-12 11:01:17] jung1 : I know But still young one and pay so far
[2015-12-12 11:01:31] floopfloop : omg wow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeoeTjUIS4
[2015-12-12 11:02:47] TschavaTschigger : 2 minutes of my time stolen, thank you
[2015-12-12 11:05:05] SnackyCoins : ahh fuck im not approved for options trading yet and its gonna take days
[2015-12-12 11:05:19] SnackyCoins : will just have to live with S&P short
[2015-12-12 11:05:50] jung1 : someone make a lot of money if short this red dildo
[2015-12-12 11:06:41] zanza : SnackyCoins: where do u trade?
[2015-12-12 11:06:53] SnackyCoins : TDC
[2015-12-12 11:07:17] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 150 @ 432.23
[2015-12-12 11:07:22] zanza : ?
[2015-12-12 11:08:15] zanza : i only have access to 1broker atm
[2015-12-12 11:08:56] SnackyCoins : you'd have to use a fiat broker wherever you're at
[2015-12-12 11:09:13] SnackyCoins : there's no place to take options using btc
[2015-12-12 11:09:33] SnackyCoins : there's one bitcoin options place, but thats options on bitcoin
[2015-12-12 11:09:51] SnackyCoins : they might be going away/gone too
[2015-12-12 11:12:02] zanza : i can short SnP there
[2015-12-12 11:12:21] zanza : maybe apple too, fuck iphone
[2015-12-12 11:14:34] SnackyCoins : https://goo.gl/dAWAQ9 is an alternative to 1broker, using btc on stocks/forex and such... CFD as well, has metatrader 4
[2015-12-12 11:14:42] SnackyCoins : Less leverage than bitmex 8)
[2015-12-12 11:15:05] SnackyCoins : also CFD feels like last resort trading
[2015-12-12 11:15:30] SnackyCoins : but if you have no other options for index exposure... beats nothing 8)
[2015-12-12 11:16:49] SnackyCoins : 45 minutes... come on china
[2015-12-12 11:17:18] SnackyCoins : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs
[2015-12-12 11:18:47] zanza : any opinions on USD/SEK ?
[2015-12-12 11:19:10] zanza : forex pair
[2015-12-12 11:21:05] SnackyCoins : not personally. i get rekt at forex 8)
[2015-12-12 11:21:42] SnackyCoins : probably would have had an easier time had i started a year earlier
[2015-12-12 11:26:10] zanza : 5 minutes till rekt
[2015-12-12 11:32:25] zanza : maybe i should go long silver or gold
[2015-12-12 11:40:58] zanza : or just long bitcoin :)
[2015-12-12 11:41:40] zanza : dare me to by? `443.50 348350 `
[2015-12-12 11:41:52] zanza : tempted, early Christmas
[2015-12-12 11:41:56] zanza : to my friends
[2015-12-12 11:43:26] SnackyCoins : Does the live DPE % take into account the fact that we're averaging?
[2015-12-12 11:44:48] mwalshe99 : someone is suicidal
[2015-12-12 11:45:00] zanza : SnackyCoins: ?
[2015-12-12 11:45:05] BitMEX_Arthur : SnackyCoins: Yes
[2015-12-12 11:45:28] mwalshe99 : market jumps one of those 50,000 orders are going to get breezed through
[2015-12-12 11:45:44] SnackyCoins : neat :) every i is dotted at bitmex ;)
[2015-12-12 11:45:51] zanza : 100k
[2015-12-12 11:47:16] SnackyCoins : if we really get moving here i can each a lot of those
[2015-12-12 11:47:44] SnackyCoins : eat*
[2015-12-12 11:48:03] mwalshe99 : oh nom nom nom
[2015-12-12 11:49:00] jung1 : mwalshe99: lookout for settlement
[2015-12-12 11:53:44] mwalshe99 : yea but we could swing 10 points in a minute
[2015-12-12 11:53:51] mwalshe99 : not the time to be playing for settlement
[2015-12-12 11:54:15] SnackyCoins : i really shouldn't be sore at someone who lost that much money, but man.. "that guy"
[2015-12-12 11:54:25] mwalshe99 : ?
[2015-12-12 11:54:44] mwalshe99 : that guy?
[2015-12-12 11:54:47] mwalshe99 : mega rekt?
[2015-12-12 11:54:53] SnackyCoins : yeah
[2015-12-12 11:55:01] messiaen8844 : how much was it?
[2015-12-12 11:55:09] SnackyCoins : like 320k contracts?
[2015-12-12 11:55:20] SnackyCoins : 348
[2015-12-12 11:55:23] SnackyCoins : its still there
[2015-12-12 11:56:19] SnackyCoins : over 15 btc on 100x
[2015-12-12 11:56:22] sleger : Im gonna lose 23% of my 22btc profit on xbt24h?
[2015-12-12 11:56:29] SnackyCoins : yep
[2015-12-12 11:56:35] messiaen8844 : been avoiding 24h like the plague, 7D so much safer
[2015-12-12 11:56:54] SnackyCoins : dunno. i like the liquidity
[2015-12-12 11:58:03] mwalshe99 : SnackyCoins: +1
[2015-12-12 11:58:37] SnackyCoins : 7d gets hard to close when you get over 10k contracts
[2015-12-12 12:00:06] zanza : ding
[2015-12-12 12:00:25] zanza : 24%
[2015-12-12 12:00:34] mwalshe99 : wow
[2015-12-12 12:00:37] mwalshe99 : that was brutal
[2015-12-12 12:00:44] SnackyCoins : yeah
[2015-12-12 12:00:59] SnackyCoins : 2nd worst clawback i've ever had
[2015-12-12 12:01:09] mwalshe99 : whats the worst here?
[2015-12-12 12:01:21] zanza : this is probably the worst
[2015-12-12 12:01:21] SnackyCoins : dunno, my worst was LTC on okc
[2015-12-12 12:01:23] sleger : How do we see clawback?
[2015-12-12 12:01:31] zanza : https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2015-12-12 12:01:44] SnackyCoins : like 70% clawback on that one
[2015-12-12 12:01:53] SnackyCoins : still made a ton lol
[2015-12-12 12:02:08] sleger : Ok but what about the insurance fund?
[2015-12-12 12:02:27] zanza : wally spent it on DarkNetMarkets
[2015-12-12 12:02:53] sleger : It seems it didnt reduce clawback at all
[2015-12-12 12:03:18] SnackyCoins : arthur available btc is applied live as well
[2015-12-12 12:03:23] SnackyCoins : said*
[2015-12-12 12:03:27] zanza : they said earlier there is no insurance for XBT
[2015-12-12 12:03:50] sleger : Also in that case commissions shoiuld ne zeroed for affected users
[2015-12-12 12:03:57] SnackyCoins : yeah need a big bankroll for that... we are still getting started here 8)
[2015-12-12 12:04:18] sleger : zanza: no there is some money collected from other liq, not same insurance as xbu
[2015-12-12 12:04:36] zanza : they said it was 0 earlier
[2015-12-12 12:05:12] zanza : the 24h volume on XBU is .2 XBT and spread is 120\
[2015-12-12 12:05:23] zanza : time to retire it i
[2015-12-12 12:05:43] SnackyCoins : noooo
[2015-12-12 12:06:15] AudibleScience : how can I have withheld profit post settlement?
[2015-12-12 12:06:24] SnackyCoins : that contract was an essential tool @ 230
[2015-12-12 12:06:55] SnackyCoins : i had to spend cold storage at the damn bottom and used it to loan myself money
[2015-12-12 12:07:23] zanza : XBU is basically the okcoin future i thin
[2015-12-12 12:07:48] rapidtrades : Do I have to wait until next settlement for withdrawal if I submit it now?
[2015-12-12 12:07:54] SnackyCoins : its not the same, there is no clawback on xbu
[2015-12-12 12:08:05] zanza : oh, my mistake
[2015-12-12 12:08:11] SnackyCoins : because low leverage
[2015-12-12 12:08:28] SnackyCoins : rapidtrades it happens in 1h
[2015-12-12 12:08:28] AudibleScience : how is withheld profit post settlement possible?
[2015-12-12 12:08:47] SnackyCoins : is it on 7d?
[2015-12-12 12:08:51] SnackyCoins : or something else?
[2015-12-12 12:09:06] AudibleScience : SnackyCoins: 24h
[2015-12-12 12:09:25] SnackyCoins : its gotta be somewhere else if you didn't re-open
[2015-12-12 12:09:49] sleger : AudibleScience: maybe clawback?
[2015-12-12 12:10:13] BitMEX_Arthur : The only contract that settled was `XBT24H`
[2015-12-12 12:10:28] BitMEX_Arthur : if you have positions on Z15, H16, or 7D there would be no change in withheld profit
[2015-12-12 12:10:29] sleger : I have 5btc as well which is about the clawback size
[2015-12-12 12:11:25] sleger : BitMEX_Arthur: Give fee credit up to clawback size for affected users?
[2015-12-12 12:11:25] mwalshe99 : clawback fucked me for a whole one :(
[2015-12-12 12:11:42] SnackyCoins : arthur i heard a neat idea vix was talking about. in the real world, after post settlement there is a short delay where you can only place maker orders, to meat-up the book. what do you think of that here?
[2015-12-12 12:12:02] BitMEX_Arthur : sleger: The DPE adjustment is a crucial feature for us to allow 100x leverage
[2015-12-12 12:12:18] AudibleScience : must be from a trade on the 7d... lol my bad!!
[2015-12-12 12:12:23] BitMEX_Arthur : Given that, we won't be doing any sort of commission rebate for traders who had a profit
[2015-12-12 12:12:30] BitMEX_Arthur : that was adjusted
[2015-12-12 12:12:43] thehawthorne : +
[2015-12-12 12:12:50] BitMEX_Arthur : SnackyCoins: Interesting thought, will think about that
[2015-12-12 12:12:55] SnackyCoins : i'd miss my lowball "gotcha" orders i put in right away, but it seems like a good thing to do overall
[2015-12-12 12:13:00] mwalshe99 : yea tbh i don't blame you
[2015-12-12 12:13:07] SnackyCoins : even 30 seconds would be plenty
[2015-12-12 12:13:13] mwalshe99 : anyone who profited yesterday doesn't have much to complain about :P
[2015-12-12 12:14:09] SnackyCoins : also my would be record-profits day became 2nd place at settlement. i think any sane person should be totally fine with that lol
[2015-12-12 12:14:10] rapidtrades : mwalshe99: yeah we do...I did arbs and buying/selling premium plays so with this I've lost all my profits
[2015-12-12 12:14:33] mwalshe99 : dangers of arbing :(
[2015-12-12 12:14:35] SnackyCoins : thats why xbt is speculation and not hedging
[2015-12-12 12:14:37] sleger : BitMEX_Arthur: 0kcoin added a fee times brc from their own pool to insurance fund, some other exchange also gave fee credit.
[2015-12-12 12:14:50] SnackyCoins : you should do those trades on xbu rapid
[2015-12-12 12:14:59] rapidtrades : It's a small test amount but it shows that these types of strategies are not possible here, so I will be stopping that test as well going forward
[2015-12-12 12:15:18] SnackyCoins : they aren't possible anywhere 8)
[2015-12-12 12:15:27] SnackyCoins : actually here is the one place you can do it, on xbu only
[2015-12-12 12:15:38] BitMEX_Arthur : sleger: If you want 100x leverage, you will have to deal with the fact that a profit adjustment is possible
[2015-12-12 12:15:39] psyfur : clawback :-(
[2015-12-12 12:15:47] mwalshe99 : BitMEX_Arthur: +1
[2015-12-12 12:15:47] SnackyCoins : nobody else even offers a no-clawback futures contract
[2015-12-12 12:16:32] sleger : That has nothing to do with 100x. Same thing happens with 10x. Also I do not "want" 100x. My max leverage has been 5 here
[2015-12-12 12:16:40] mwalshe99 : first position of the day. long here we gfo
[2015-12-12 12:17:13] sleger : SnackyCoins: i'm not talking about no clawback... Just give back fees collected that day to atfected users
[2015-12-12 12:17:23] BitMEX_Arthur : sleger: The reason why this contract attracts liquidity is the fact that there is the ability to trade with 100x leverage
[2015-12-12 12:17:31] SnackyCoins : "qq more noob"
[2015-12-12 12:18:15] ohmannomma : hi
[2015-12-12 12:18:27] sleger : BitMEX_Arthur: i think you are mistaken. Liquidity is provided by bots here mostly and they don't ever use high leverage