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[2015-12-09 11:45:40] haxmb : im having some troubles with API
[2015-12-09 11:45:51] BitMEX_Wally : How can I help?
[2015-12-09 11:45:54] haxmb : could you help me out?
[2015-12-09 11:46:22] BitMEX_Wally : What issues are you seeing?
[2015-12-09 11:46:44] haxmb : im generating a GET request for orderbook
[2015-12-09 11:46:52] haxmb : and the sig and dheaders look goodd
[2015-12-09 11:47:01] haxmb : but i'm getting Signature not valid error
[2015-12-09 11:47:25] BitMEX_Wally : You don't need to sign for the order book, it's public data
[2015-12-09 11:47:45] haxmb : oh shit my bad
[2015-12-09 11:47:53] haxmb : getting a working call now
[2015-12-09 11:47:57] BitMEX_Wally : :)
[2015-12-09 11:48:00] haxmb : seems
[2015-12-09 11:48:07] haxmb : that the bitmex-api NPM library
[2015-12-09 11:48:11] haxmb : is outdated as f*ck
[2015-12-09 11:48:41] haxmb : https://bitmex.com:443 is the url it uses
[2015-12-09 11:49:14] BitMEX_Wally : That should be the same as www.bitmex.com
[2015-12-09 11:49:36] haxmb : changed it and now rosk
[2015-12-09 11:49:52] haxmb : works*
[2015-12-09 11:51:01] BitMEX_Wally : The NPM library might be from a third party
[2015-12-09 11:51:02] haxmb : that npm lib signs public requests too for some reason
[2015-12-09 11:51:17] haxmb : yeah it id
[2015-12-09 11:51:20] haxmb : is
[2015-12-09 11:51:48] BitMEX_Wally : I'll check with BitMEX_Sam but signing public requests should be ok, as you get a higher rate limit when authenticated
[2015-12-09 11:52:23] haxmb : ok thats good
[2015-12-09 11:52:28] haxmb : whats the auth rate limit?
[2015-12-09 11:52:36] haxmb : because i could only find 300/5min
[2015-12-09 11:52:55] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah it's 300/5 min but we can increase it if needed
[2015-12-09 11:52:59] BitMEX_Wally : On a per user basis
[2015-12-09 11:53:31] haxmb : ok but you said "as you get a higher rate limit when authenticated" :p
[2015-12-09 11:53:46] haxmb : and how does it calc?
[2015-12-09 11:53:52] haxmb : is it a sliding window?
[2015-12-09 11:54:01] haxmb : or does it reduce by 1 per second?
[2015-12-09 11:54:34] BitMEX_Wally : The un-authenticated rate limit might be less than 300
[2015-12-09 11:54:38] BitMEX_Wally : I'm not sure of the top of my head
[2015-12-09 11:55:07] haxmb : ok
[2015-12-09 11:55:13] haxmb : and how does it work?
[2015-12-09 11:55:18] sleger : So Satoshi supposed dead, his coins are supposed to be lost and that's why price shoot up ?
[2015-12-09 11:55:23] haxmb : sliding window / counter / reduction
[2015-12-09 11:55:25] haxmb : ?
[2015-12-09 11:55:26] haxmb : =)
[2015-12-09 11:55:43] BitMEX_Wally : ``` "x-ratelimit-reset": "1449662161", "x-ratelimit-limit": "300", "x-ratelimit-remaining": "299" ```
[2015-12-09 11:55:55] BitMEX_Wally : You should get headers back like this
[2015-12-09 11:57:43] haxmb : oh nice
[2015-12-09 11:59:49] laisee : sleger> gotta be a good conspiracy on this "re-appearnce" right now.
[2015-12-09 12:06:14] rapidtrades : boom look at that premium
[2015-12-09 12:06:25] sleger : its small
[2015-12-09 12:06:40] rapidtrades : it's enough to keep me above water :)
[2015-12-09 12:18:39] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 10000 @ 422.85
[2015-12-09 12:18:49] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 200 @ 422.61
[2015-12-09 12:18:58] habibi : even death body can be above the water
[2015-12-09 12:18:59] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 461 @ 421.71
[2015-12-09 12:21:57] rapidtrades : rekt already?
[2015-12-09 12:22:08] rapidtrades : don't max out ur leverage ppl
[2015-12-09 12:22:57] habibi : its isolated margin u stupid ! :)
[2015-12-09 12:23:55] habibi : one click and 80% chance that sideways moves will kick u out of game
[2015-12-09 12:38:14] macios15 : DROP?
[2015-12-09 12:43:15] messiaen8844 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/2X5IZJPc/
[2015-12-09 12:46:08] messiaen8844 : to me it`s support now
[2015-12-09 12:46:09] messiaen8844 : (was)
[2015-12-09 12:47:44] messiaen8844 : targets 2780 - 2810- 2920
[2015-12-09 12:49:28] messiaen8844 : it`s all symmetrical play
[2015-12-09 12:50:08] messiaen8844 : one sell sign in the past becomes a buy signal of equal force in the present
[2015-12-09 12:51:46] macios15 : messiaen8844: 1m ema didnt even recover
[2015-12-09 12:52:00] macios15 : messiaen8844: dont be soo sure
[2015-12-09 12:53:17] macios15 : messiaen8844: its clearly upside but could cut to even 2,7k
[2015-12-09 12:54:36] messiaen8844 : that was my initial scenario, thought we would bounce more around the supports and resistances
[2015-12-09 12:55:56] messiaen8844 : but momentum seems still strong to reach 2900 then retrace
[2015-12-09 12:56:30] messiaen8844 : daily RSI still has space
[2015-12-09 12:57:31] messiaen8844 : also, I am focusing on larger time frames, 24h analysis may be very different
[2015-12-09 12:59:34] podizzler3k : rapidtrades how did shorting that $2 premium work out for you yesterday
[2015-12-09 12:59:55] podizzler3k : did the price move up $2? i didnt check
[2015-12-09 13:00:22] podizzler3k : those idiots paying $2 extra wow when will they learn
[2015-12-09 13:00:28] rapidtrades : it would've worked out fine if finex DIDN'T CRASH...anyway done with that shit now
[2015-12-09 13:00:43] podizzler3k : yeah that was some shady shit tbh
[2015-12-09 13:00:46] podizzler3k : i wonder who was ddosing them
[2015-12-09 13:00:49] podizzler3k : bet it came from china
[2015-12-09 13:01:16] rapidtrades : yeah we crashed right as I clicked the buy button to hedge
[2015-12-09 13:01:19] messiaen8844 : rapidtrades: that was the triangle`s revenge for being a non-believer. they are mercyless
[2015-12-09 13:01:22] rapidtrades : worst timing ever
[2015-12-09 13:04:53] podizzler3k : that triangle could have broke downward too
[2015-12-09 13:05:20] messiaen8844 : indeed, there was a big line from 500 pointing to that top
[2015-12-09 13:05:21] podizzler3k : in a traditional market maybe
[2015-12-09 13:06:11] messiaen8844 : but trend intact, 2230 to here no lows violated, always higher. Not a single sell daily time frame
[2015-12-09 13:10:02] rapidtrades : I sound like a broken record but this is the dumbest looking rally I've ever seen
[2015-12-09 13:10:12] podizzler3k : haha
[2015-12-09 13:10:28] rapidtrades : things don't just recover from 40% drops
[2015-12-09 13:10:28] podizzler3k : the 16% i made yesterday was dumb
[2015-12-09 13:10:30] podizzler3k : i agree
[2015-12-09 13:10:47] rapidtrades : if u made 16% ur trading way too high sir
[2015-12-09 13:11:00] podizzler3k : i wasnt even that high
[2015-12-09 13:11:03] messiaen8844 : rapidtrades: lol, have you ever gonna through dow jones historical data? or other markets?
[2015-12-09 13:11:28] messiaen8844 : read about long term market cycles?
[2015-12-09 13:11:31] podizzler3k : rapidtrades the price went up over 4%
[2015-12-09 13:11:35] rapidtrades : kind off...I'm going by my personal feeling, been trading other markets for +!0 years
[2015-12-09 13:11:39] podizzler3k : 4x long gets you 16%
[2015-12-09 13:11:48] messiaen8844 : brazilian market: 2002-2010: 800%
[2015-12-09 13:11:48] rapidtrades : way too high imo
[2015-12-09 13:12:14] rapidtrades : what's ur stop? @podizzler3k if prices started to go down?
[2015-12-09 13:12:15] messiaen8844 : it's all cycles...sometimes decades long
[2015-12-09 13:12:32] messiaen8844 : whoops, a decade long
[2015-12-09 13:12:54] rapidtrades : if u made 16% on 4%, u could've lost same if we fell $20...which could've easily happened imo
[2015-12-09 13:13:07] podizzler3k : never heard of a trailing stop loss?
[2015-12-09 13:13:22] rapidtrades : well that's why I asked...ffs
[2015-12-09 13:13:39] podizzler3k : you think i would have just let it ride $20 down? lol
[2015-12-09 13:13:56] rapidtrades : dude...at one point yday we were down $15
[2015-12-09 13:14:01] rapidtrades : $405 to $390
[2015-12-09 13:14:11] rapidtrades : ur talking like it's not a normal event
[2015-12-09 13:14:12] podizzler3k : oh yeah i was out at 405 and back in at 390
[2015-12-09 13:14:29] rapidtrades : well great guess ur a better trader then me then
[2015-12-09 13:14:29] messiaen8844 : in this market, great buying opportunity if you are following the trend rapid
[2015-12-09 13:14:43] podizzler3k : i just had a good day
[2015-12-09 13:14:50] podizzler3k : it can happen to you even
[2015-12-09 13:14:56] rapidtrades : lol
[2015-12-09 13:14:56] podizzler3k : if you make the trend your friend
[2015-12-09 13:15:07] rapidtrades : I was long as well FFS do u ppl read anything i say
[2015-12-09 13:15:18] rapidtrades : I've been net long since $380
[2015-12-09 13:15:18] podizzler3k : yeah you said you were short multiple times
[2015-12-09 13:15:24] rapidtrades : no an arb
[2015-12-09 13:15:32] messiaen8844 : i think he was shorting daily
[2015-12-09 13:15:33] messiaen8844 : no?
[2015-12-09 13:15:33] podizzler3k : oh right an arb
[2015-12-09 13:15:37] rapidtrades : those trades are much smaller
[2015-12-09 13:16:01] podizzler3k : we should probably call it an "arb" since you have your own definition of that
[2015-12-09 13:16:47] rapidtrades : anyway they're not worth it imo,,,,unless u program a bot...too much stress and too little profit
[2015-12-09 13:16:57] rapidtrades : much like MM
[2015-12-09 13:17:09] podizzler3k : im not sure that MM cannot be profitable
[2015-12-09 13:17:24] podizzler3k : oh you mean trying to be a MM without the use of a bot
[2015-12-09 13:17:26] podizzler3k : that sounds horrific
[2015-12-09 13:17:34] rapidtrades : yeah it is
[2015-12-09 13:17:50] podizzler3k : god bless those bots i was taking off them all day
[2015-12-09 13:18:05] podizzler3k : i hope we didnt scare them off
[2015-12-09 13:18:13] rapidtrades : yeah micmix said he was down today
[2015-12-09 13:18:25] podizzler3k : yeah i think they cleanup during chop though
[2015-12-09 13:18:38] rapidtrades : that $20 candle raped him
[2015-12-09 13:18:46] rapidtrades : no retracement
[2015-12-09 13:19:16] podizzler3k : have to code in some logic 'if price rises certain amount in certain time, gtfo;'
[2015-12-09 13:19:19] podizzler3k : i think thats teh code
[2015-12-09 13:19:35] podizzler3k : else; rekt
[2015-12-09 13:19:54] wurstgelee : i am sure thats implemented
[2015-12-09 13:19:56] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-12-09 13:20:36] wurstgelee : hard to gtfo into your own orders if youre a MM tho
[2015-12-09 13:21:31] TschavaTschigger : micmix got raped by 20$ rise?
[2015-12-09 13:21:53] rapidtrades : he said he's in the red
[2015-12-09 13:22:02] haxmb : shouldn't trade positions bigger than foreign liquidity on the book
[2015-12-09 13:22:09] haxmb : thats just retarded
[2015-12-09 13:22:43] haxmb : "oh yeah i can buy 15000 contracts for an okay loss at any time" *goes short 40 000 contracts*
[2015-12-09 13:22:57] haxmb : if you do that you deserve it
[2015-12-09 13:23:07] messiaen8844 : one has to be careful building positions here, getting out on adverse market can be very costly
[2015-12-09 13:23:16] TschavaTschigger : well he also said that he doesn't try to predict movements and just widens the spread, so I understand he is in the red
[2015-12-09 13:26:28] rapidtrades : yday we were flat and we had $3 premium today we're up 5% and its $1.50
[2015-12-09 13:26:33] rapidtrades : makes sense I guess
[2015-12-09 13:28:44] wurstgelee : whining about premium is your thing, right?
[2015-12-09 13:39:57] messiaen8844 : interesting consideration on wright
[2015-12-09 13:39:58] messiaen8844 : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w1uj8/ok_so_i_actually_read_the_ato_transcript_heres_my/
[2015-12-09 13:40:08] messiaen8844 : early adopter, first superminer
[2015-12-09 13:43:13] messiaen8844 : could also be
[2015-12-09 13:51:46] messiaen8844 : chop chop but ascending triangle still holding
[2015-12-09 14:15:29] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 3000 @ 425.03
[2015-12-09 14:22:14] podizzler3k : isolated margin strikes again
[2015-12-09 14:24:32] laisee : anotther welcome donation to the rest of us ...
[2015-12-09 14:31:08] JDUB99 : helllo is support here?
[2015-12-09 14:31:21] JDUB99 : my position seems to have been closed automatically...
[2015-12-09 14:31:27] JDUB99 : anyone else have this issue?
[2015-12-09 14:31:57] Rasign : Only god know
[2015-12-09 14:32:10] JDUB99 : i was in the money too
[2015-12-09 14:32:22] JDUB99 : my order history doesn't show a sell order either
[2015-12-09 14:33:09] TschavaTschigger : JDUB99: click on account/wallet and then on trade history... it was probably a liquidation
[2015-12-09 14:35:30] JDUB99 : aaaah isee it
[2015-12-09 14:35:31] JDUB99 : thx
[2015-12-09 14:49:18] Rasign : crash incoming ?
[2015-12-09 14:52:08] habibi : nope?
[2015-12-09 14:52:27] Rasign : Maybe yes
[2015-12-09 14:52:31] Rasign : Maybe no
[2015-12-09 14:52:39] habibi : lel so why u asks?
[2015-12-09 14:54:09] Rasign : cause i know you will not answer me
[2015-12-09 14:54:12] Rasign : :D
[2015-12-09 14:54:27] Rasign : its troll box man
[2015-12-09 15:28:48] messiaen8844 : GBTC up 31.10% today.
[2015-12-09 15:28:52] messiaen8844 : $ 72.50
[2015-12-09 15:30:21] rapidtrades : cos why not
[2015-12-09 15:34:39] rapidtrades : PREMIUM STRONK
[2015-12-09 15:49:50] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 260 @ 421.55
[2015-12-09 15:49:55] TschavaTschigger : going down whoowhoo
[2015-12-09 15:50:00] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 260 @ 420.57
[2015-12-09 15:50:10] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1088 @ 420.72
[2015-12-09 15:50:11] messiaen8844 : another successfull triangle
[2015-12-09 15:50:20] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1262 @ 419.66
[2015-12-09 15:52:12] TschavaTschigger : that 6k buy at 418... optimistic
[2015-12-09 15:54:35] messiaen8844 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/VjlE9akV/
[2015-12-09 15:54:50] messiaen8844 : hold in the strong support, good dip to buy here
[2015-12-09 15:55:20] wurstgelee : i did
[2015-12-09 15:55:41] wurstgelee : will see how that turns out
[2015-12-09 16:00:37] wurstgelee : not so bad so far =)
[2015-12-09 16:03:42] rapidtrades : I jinxed u guys....added to longs at 425 lol
[2015-12-09 16:03:48] wurstgelee : bailed with a small profit, not so sure this is over
[2015-12-09 16:04:06] rapidtrades : was a bet on more premium but we didn't go much higher :)
[2015-12-09 16:06:50] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1226 @ 415.74
[2015-12-09 16:10:46] rapidtrades : we found support? maybe?
[2015-12-09 16:11:10] rapidtrades : prolly means we're going down cos everything's reversed here
[2015-12-09 16:12:47] messiaen8844 : now on support, better wait closed candles
[2015-12-09 16:12:50] messiaen8844 : apparently is holding
[2015-12-09 16:13:14] rapidtrades : closed candle on what....1d?
[2015-12-09 16:14:06] messiaen8844 : I'm on 15 min, watching closely this
[2015-12-09 16:14:41] wurstgelee : support looking good. for now
[2015-12-09 16:14:51] messiaen8844 : there's still selling pressure
[2015-12-09 16:14:56] wurstgelee : yep
[2015-12-09 16:14:58] rapidtrades : this is stupid
[2015-12-09 16:15:13] messiaen8844 : and people waiting for the moment to buy the dip
[2015-12-09 16:15:31] rapidtrades : if we go below $400 I may dump it all
[2015-12-09 16:15:37] rapidtrades : go cash 100%
[2015-12-09 16:15:44] rapidtrades : or hedged w/e
[2015-12-09 16:16:16] habibi : dont panic rapidtrades
[2015-12-09 16:16:32] habibi : as soon as u will go all in it will imidietally reverse whatever way it goes
[2015-12-09 16:16:48] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-12-09 16:16:52] rapidtrades : exactly and that's why u don't trade these stupid moves
[2015-12-09 16:17:20] messiaen8844 : hedge call was to short the triangle, that was a clear sell
[2015-12-09 16:17:30] rapidtrades : get lost dude
[2015-12-09 16:17:47] rapidtrades : I'm not hedging a $7 move against me
[2015-12-09 16:17:55] messiaen8844 : just don't overleverage and follow your analysis
[2015-12-09 16:18:47] rapidtrades : my leverage is very small...mostly hedged right now actually
[2015-12-09 16:20:03] messiaen8844 : very agressive call here would be buy here sell 2750
[2015-12-09 16:20:42] rapidtrades : fully loaded after I added higher..maybe smone else can do it
[2015-12-09 16:20:54] wurstgelee : already bought sub 415
[2015-12-09 16:21:16] rapidtrades : u ppl always buy after we're already gone up...the midas touch
[2015-12-09 16:21:25] messiaen8844 : going for it, have profits to burn ;)
[2015-12-09 16:21:42] messiaen8844 : tight stop, fun trade
[2015-12-09 16:21:57] rapidtrades : nothing fun about losing ur money
[2015-12-09 16:22:16] messiaen8844 : I don't mind losing money to my ideas
[2015-12-09 16:22:21] wurstgelee : oh, it can be funny, if its play money
[2015-12-09 16:22:27] wurstgelee : and you get rekt a funny way
[2015-12-09 16:22:28] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-12-09 16:22:39] messiaen8844 : if they have good risk-reward
[2015-12-09 16:23:36] rapidtrades : if this thng stays around $415 for 18 hours again I will lose my shit
[2015-12-09 16:23:51] messiaen8844 : the red line
[2015-12-09 16:23:52] messiaen8844 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/r1B97Gxj/
[2015-12-09 16:24:22] rapidtrades : this looks like smone is literally pushing the market one way then the next...1 spike up, 1 spike down
[2015-12-09 16:26:08] rapidtrades : GUYS WE BUY NAAO? CHING CHONG CHING!
[2015-12-09 16:26:22] rapidtrades : YA BUY THEN SELL YA CHING CHONG CHING
[2015-12-09 16:26:52] rapidtrades : some stupid chinese miners pushing the market around
[2015-12-09 16:27:16] rapidtrades : YA U FILL MA BIDS....NOW U FILL MA BIDS...CHING CHONG
[2015-12-09 16:28:00] rapidtrades : taking a break
[2015-12-09 16:45:40] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 100 @ 412.96
[2015-12-09 16:45:40] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 428 @ 412.75
[2015-12-09 16:45:41] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 500 @ 413.07
[2015-12-09 16:45:41] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 153 @ 412.75
[2015-12-09 16:45:41] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2950 @ 412.65
[2015-12-09 16:46:00] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 300 @ 411.64
[2015-12-09 16:46:25] nickhnt : lol
[2015-12-09 16:46:27] nickhnt : love this bot
[2015-12-09 16:54:29] habibi : yea but funny is that the biggest dump cause the lowest dmg to liqs
[2015-12-09 17:03:10] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1388 @ 412.16
[2015-12-09 17:04:50] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBTZ15: Sell 450 @ 421.95
[2015-12-09 17:05:00] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBTZ15: Sell 450 @ 420.41
[2015-12-09 17:05:10] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBTZ15: Sell 1500 @ 420.91
[2015-12-09 17:07:40] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 200 @ 408.85
[2015-12-09 17:08:21] Swedishnut : hiyas from vacation! looks like it has been pretty crazy the last few days
[2015-12-09 17:08:33] nickhnt : cmon fill ma bids
[2015-12-09 17:08:41] nickhnt : thx
[2015-12-09 17:08:43] nickhnt : :)
[2015-12-09 17:11:10] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 141 @ 409.54
[2015-12-09 17:12:12] messiaen8844 : nice stop hunt
[2015-12-09 17:13:35] nickhnt : nice short here, if everyday i could win like this... hehehe
[2015-12-09 17:13:44] justinlooking : Swedishnut: has been bonkers :)
[2015-12-09 17:14:48] Swedishnut : vacation me isn't goin to get involved but would be heavenly to keep checking and see continued momentum up
[2015-12-09 17:16:43] rapidtrades : BUY ALL THE THINGS
[2015-12-09 17:17:11] messiaen8844 : are you selling your mother?
[2015-12-09 17:18:02] rapidtrades : god dam finex is some moody mofo
[2015-12-09 17:18:12] rapidtrades : SWING ALL THE THINGS
[2015-12-09 17:18:14] messiaen8844 : sorry, not my humour style, that's for all your mother jokes here ;)
[2015-12-09 17:19:16] sleger : messiaen8844: you and I do not have the same definition of "joke"
[2015-12-09 17:20:19] messiaen8844 : sleger: I was making fun by the fact that rapid keeps making mother jokes of everyone else
[2015-12-09 17:20:46] messiaen8844 : but yeah, was pretty stupid
[2015-12-09 17:20:48] justinlooking : yo sleger, u ok buddy?
[2015-12-09 17:20:50] sleger : I understood, and I am saying that he does not make jokes, what you call joke is actually insult
[2015-12-09 17:20:59] sleger : justinlooking: of c why wouldnt I ?
[2015-12-09 17:21:42] messiaen8844 : indeed, nowadays there is a thin line around these two concepts
[2015-12-09 17:21:46] justinlooking : i thought u disappeared on us
[2015-12-09 17:23:01] sleger : i dont always have chat window opened
[2015-12-09 17:28:21] rapidtrades : this is prolly the low for the next few hrs....perhaps FOREVER?
[2015-12-09 17:29:05] rapidtrades : doesn't okcoin US use China time?
[2015-12-09 17:29:10] rapidtrades : okc usd
[2015-12-09 17:29:15] rapidtrades : okc.com
[2015-12-09 17:30:07] rapidtrades : they should put a fucking clock on their site ffs
[2015-12-09 17:30:27] sleger : you got to love how nobody bothers answering your questions anymore
[2015-12-09 17:30:35] rapidtrades : wtf is 19:00...what time is that
[2015-12-09 17:30:42] rapidtrades : sleger: get r*ped
[2015-12-09 17:31:42] sleger : ohohoh so rude
[2015-12-09 17:32:00] sleger : oh I know the answer to all of your questions btw
[2015-12-09 17:34:28] BitMEX_Sam : Keep it civil rapidtrades
[2015-12-09 17:36:20] rapidtrades : sleger: you got to love how nobody bothers answering your questions anymore
[2015-12-09 17:36:40] rapidtrades : guess being a passive-aggresive b1tch is ok
[2015-12-09 17:36:46] habibi : rapidtrades: i heard tradingview is going to add "rapid reverse trades indicator" soon. Premium only
[2015-12-09 17:37:22] sleger : rapidtrades: There is a limit not to be crossed. Insults are crossing that line.
[2015-12-09 17:37:39] rapidtrades : this guy has been on my case 24/7 whenever I post....consider urself ignored sir
[2015-12-09 17:37:54] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Keep up the insults and we'll ban your account from chatting, this is the last time I'm asking you to keep it civil.
[2015-12-09 17:38:15] rapidtrades : it's also the first time
[2015-12-09 17:38:33] wurstgelee : you were asked several times to keep it civil
[2015-12-09 17:38:36] BitMEX_Sam : Except when I just said it two minutes ago and you kept going.
[2015-12-09 17:38:51] rapidtrades : right but he started it lol
[2015-12-09 17:39:03] rapidtrades : u can clearly see he instigates 99% of our fights
[2015-12-09 17:39:43] BitMEX_Sam : Don't care, follow the rules.
[2015-12-09 17:39:50] BitMEX_Sam : That goes for everyone.
[2015-12-09 17:40:07] rapidtrades : ok well guess I'll have to ignore his baiting from now on
[2015-12-09 17:40:09] habibi : rapid u are the one who talks about opponent's mother, u are crossing the lines in that. u are even the lowest trollbox standards
[2015-12-09 17:40:42] rapidtrades : it's a joke ffs...noone above 15 considers that as an actual insult
[2015-12-09 17:41:50] rapidtrades : there's a difference between saying ur mommy is so far...and ur stupid u don't shit...one is funny, one is being an ass
[2015-12-09 17:42:46] sleger : rapidtrades: If it were just me that would be one thing. But you managed to annoy many people here, and you are the only one who managed to do so. One thing I've learned in the past years is that : When it's everyone, it's probably you.
[2015-12-09 17:43:42] rapidtrades : only u take it like a lil bitch sir....it's called banter is what F*CKING MEN DO
[2015-12-09 17:43:57] sleger : and there you're banned
[2015-12-09 17:44:37] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: you are unable to differ between trolling and insulting
[2015-12-09 17:47:32] messiaen8844 : china trying to return to bull range
[2015-12-09 17:47:35] messiaen8844 : yes
[2015-12-09 17:47:56] sleger : premium on china was 11$ at lowest of bitfinex
[2015-12-09 17:48:35] sleger : and it was ~6$ only before the dump earlier so I would expect the premium to come back down soon
[2015-12-09 17:49:41] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 7099 @ 414.78
[2015-12-09 17:49:51] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 7099 @ 415.60
[2015-12-09 17:50:01] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 6934 @ 415.60
[2015-12-09 17:50:11] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1150 @ 416.59
[2015-12-09 17:50:21] nickhnt : rekt
[2015-12-09 17:50:21] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 886 @ 416.25
[2015-12-09 17:50:23] nickhnt : lol
[2015-12-09 17:50:57] messiaen8844 : now back to 420 very soon
[2015-12-09 17:51:01] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1500 @ 416.47
[2015-12-09 17:51:06] nickhnt : that would be nice
[2015-12-09 17:51:11] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 599 @ 417.47
[2015-12-09 17:51:21] messiaen8844 : or higher, a 5th EW would make sense here, some are pointing
[2015-12-09 17:51:56] nickhnt : maybe a bigger triangle with the top on 420+-
[2015-12-09 17:53:05] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: wouldnt ever expect there are so many liquidations here
[2015-12-09 17:53:40] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: Some of those are duplicated as the bot is unable to uniquely identify liquidations due to a lacking ID
[2015-12-09 17:53:45] BitMEX_Sam : We'll be adding that shortly
[2015-12-09 17:53:46] sleger : I'm surprised too, may people should isolate margin
[2015-12-09 17:53:55] sleger : *many
[2015-12-09 17:54:04] nickhnt : yeah as the price goes up the liquidations reajust themselves
[2015-12-09 17:54:14] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: you "work" liq orders ?
[2015-12-09 17:54:23] BitMEX_Sam : Yes
[2015-12-09 17:54:36] BitMEX_Sam : The trading engine itself has strategies for how it tries to exit those positions
[2015-12-09 17:54:57] sleger : will you take a loss on some liq orders or is the worst case you post a limit order at the breakeven price ?
[2015-12-09 17:55:28] BitMEX_Sam : I can't get into exactly how it works but yes, sometimes it is better to take a small loss than wait and take a larger one
[2015-12-09 17:55:58] messiaen8844 : agreed
[2015-12-09 17:57:54] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: didnt u think about a profit system when u takes part of liquditations dpe and on the other hand lowering the fees on taker side?
[2015-12-09 17:58:21] BitMEX_Sam : Could you rephrase? Not sure exactly what you're asking
[2015-12-09 17:58:47] BitMEX_Sam : When positions are liquidated in profit it is used to offset DPE
[2015-12-09 17:58:50] sleger : he wants you to earn the insurance fund but lower fees
[2015-12-09 17:59:01] sleger : (I dont agree with that)
[2015-12-09 17:59:51] habibi : yea, just an idea :)
[2015-12-09 18:01:22] BitMEX_Sam : That makes the system more feast or famine, which makes it more difficult to predict our revenues
[2015-12-09 18:01:27] BitMEX_Sam : Which in turn would make it more difficult to run the business
[2015-12-09 18:01:37] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: The one system i find best is what's used by bitvc. When there is a liq order that cant get filled at breakeven or better, it reduces the opposite side positions by proportional amount (and alert by email), this way 0 loss AND doesnt affect people who had profits but were out of the market when that happened
[2015-12-09 18:02:03] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: We actually wrote a risk management system like that, but we thought it was too opaque to be workable
[2015-12-09 18:02:21] BitMEX_Sam : As in, it's a very difficult problem to not only decide which positions need to be deleveraged, but how to communicate that to the customer and also be transparent
[2015-12-09 18:02:37] sleger : It is more complicated for basic users to understand, but it is the most fair
[2015-12-09 18:02:52] BitMEX_Sam : If we didn't have the mark price system I think we would have gone with it, because otherwise high leverage is simply not workable without massive losses
[2015-12-09 18:03:02] sleger : Well, they deleverage ALL the users with opposite positions by an amount proportional to their position, which again I think is very fair
[2015-12-09 18:03:40] habibi : so basically same what dpe here do?
[2015-12-09 18:03:46] sleger : not at all
[2015-12-09 18:03:51] habibi : when its out of insurance fund
[2015-12-09 18:03:58] sleger : no
[2015-12-09 18:04:12] habibi : shieet :p need to read it more careful
[2015-12-09 18:04:16] BitMEX_Sam : The difference is in who is affected
[2015-12-09 18:04:58] habibi : here when there is loss in system everyone who earned is partially taken out of this profit right?
[2015-12-09 18:05:09] BitMEX_Sam : Although I think it's legitimate to argue that if you make a large profit early in the day because the market is more liquid and then exit, but later there is some illiquidity and users who made less profit then get deleveraged, is that fair? It's a difficult problem
[2015-12-09 18:05:10] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: today what is not fair is that if i trade and make 1btc and close position, then later on market is crazy and there is DPE, my profit will be impacted
[2015-12-09 18:05:36] sleger : yes exactly as you said
[2015-12-09 18:06:06] TschavaTschigger : I prefer the way it's done here tbh
[2015-12-09 18:06:19] sleger : also if I run a MM bot and it is very low leveraged, but makes high pnl on the risk it takes, it will get deeply impacted which is very unfair as it never caused any DPE risk itself
[2015-12-09 18:07:02] sleger : habibi: https://www.bitvc.com/help/catlist?id=21
[2015-12-09 18:07:12] sleger : "Automatic Counterparty Deleveraging"
[2015-12-09 18:08:02] habibi : yep, on it
[2015-12-09 18:10:22] sleger : Yes it's more complex, yes people wont get it at first, but there is no debate about it, it is the most fair way of doing it, because in these futures market, positions only exist as between counterparties of the exchange and one liq is actually a closing of an opposite side position. If there is liquidity in the market to do it perfect, but otherwise it should reduce opposite side positions
[2015-12-09 18:42:41] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 358 @ 414.88
[2015-12-09 18:45:11] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 5593 @ 414.27
[2015-12-09 18:45:11] REKT : <b>REKT</b> Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 130 @ 414.27
[2015-12-09 18:48:15] prospecta : REKT
[2015-12-09 18:48:34] prospecta : nigger test
[2015-12-09 18:48:37] prospecta : haha wow
[2015-12-09 18:48:51] prospecta : sense of humour I see
[2015-12-09 18:48:56] habibi : dont play on isolated so much, close ur positions on loss on fixed margin and still u will save much more than isolated liq
[2015-12-09 18:49:17] habibi : best indicator here is out ?:(
[2015-12-09 18:52:35] sleger : He was bad, so he got banned
[2015-12-09 18:52:58] habibi : yep just wanted to confirm that
[2015-12-09 18:59:08] micmix : so rapidtrades is gone, no more rapid indicator?
[2015-12-09 18:59:59] habibi : yep we need do moves on our owns
[2015-12-09 19:02:00] micmix : I see my REKT bot got a workout today
[2015-12-09 19:04:07] sleger : micmix: you could remove REKT from the message as its a bit redundant with the name
[2015-12-09 19:06:01] habibi : or just adjustable words for bigger contracts like 100k+ liquditation is "someone gonna have bad christmass"
[2015-12-09 19:06:16] micmix : yeah, I thought about that @sleger
[2015-12-09 19:07:39] micmix : maybe I should ask BitMEX_Sam to change REKT username to bold red :-)
[2015-12-09 19:08:34] BitMEX_Sam : It's actually not something I can control, it's generated by the hash of the username
[2015-12-09 19:08:35] justinlooking : i have smelly shorts on okc :(
[2015-12-09 19:08:40] BitMEX_Sam : That way I don't have to store it but it's always consistent
[2015-12-09 19:09:37] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: it's a clever system
[2015-12-09 19:10:58] micmix : I removed REKT from the message. Taking suggestions for funny comments on big and small liquidations :-)
[2015-12-09 19:12:42] TschavaTschigger : make the bot ignore small liquidations if there is high volatility, otherwise it spams too much at big moves
[2015-12-09 19:13:40] BitMEX_Sam : Going to add the orderID to it soon
[2015-12-09 19:13:56] TschavaTschigger : or that... ty sam
[2015-12-09 19:14:49] nickhnt : MEGA REKT! Double Rekt! REK-K-K-KT
[2015-12-09 19:15:18] micmix : Don't like arbitrary limits, going to wait for orderID to see how many messages it posts
[2015-12-09 19:15:26] justinlooking : yay scratch
[2015-12-09 19:15:30] nickhnt : Rekta KILL
[2015-12-09 19:17:06] justinlooking : if price or qty contains 420 anywhere, "blaze it"
[2015-12-09 19:18:03] micmix : but yeah, liquidations with qty <1000 probably not worth posting
[2015-12-09 19:18:22] nickhnt : More than 10 rekts: 'IT's ON FIRE' 'suicide lines are busy, try again later'
[2015-12-09 19:18:25] micmix : < 1000 probably not worth posting
[2015-12-09 19:18:26] nickhnt : lol
[2015-12-09 19:19:09] micmix : nice one @nickhnt
[2015-12-09 19:19:53] coolcatgee : 10+ Shorts=MOON 10+ Longs=DOOM
[2015-12-09 19:22:28] coolcatgee : Short Rekt Followed by a Long Rekt or visa versa = FATALITY
[2015-12-09 19:25:37] justinlooking : insert coins to play
[2015-12-09 19:28:48] cataquil : CLOSED SHORT
[2015-12-09 19:28:54] cataquil : DUMPED MEGA LOTS
[2015-12-09 19:31:28] wurstgelee : up? :)
[2015-12-09 19:34:29] justinlooking : wurstgelee: if spot can stay above 2725 for a bit i think so
[2015-12-09 19:34:54] wurstgelee : yep
[2015-12-09 19:59:13] prospecta : moon
[2015-12-09 20:02:28] wurstgelee : prospecta: haha
[2015-12-09 20:02:32] wurstgelee : back2crack? =)
[2015-12-09 20:08:42] prospecta : just looking atm tbh
[2015-12-09 20:20:09] justinlooking : hi
[2015-12-09 20:55:22] nickhnt : glad to see the userbase is growing on here :)
[2015-12-09 20:56:16] wurstgelee : prospecta is not exactly new
[2015-12-09 20:56:21] wurstgelee : others are tho
[2015-12-09 20:58:09] nickhnt : when i started trading here the userbase was about 100
[2015-12-09 20:58:30] nickhnt : not so long time ago tho
[2015-12-09 20:58:31] nickhnt : lol
[2015-12-09 21:09:05] zanza : now there is 100 users
[2015-12-09 21:09:07] zanza : and 193 bots
[2015-12-09 21:13:48] habibi : my screen shows 292 users
[2015-12-09 21:13:49] habibi : and 129 bots
[2015-12-09 21:17:27] laisee : 294. may need to upgrade.
[2015-12-09 21:52:06] sleger : how do they know the number of bots ?
[2015-12-09 21:52:26] wurstgelee : =api users?
[2015-12-09 21:52:32] wurstgelee : dunno
[2015-12-09 21:52:34] justinlooking : number of active api connections prolly
[2015-12-09 21:52:37] wurstgelee : yep
[2015-12-09 21:54:51] sleger : what do you mean by api connection, this is just websocket and http post just like the ui is doing
[2015-12-09 21:57:14] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 300 @ 418.80
[2015-12-09 21:57:15] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 3 @ 418.71
[2015-12-09 21:57:24] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 243 @ 419.46
[2015-12-09 21:57:34] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1 @ 418.95
[2015-12-09 21:58:03] Giovanni : how come i can't sell 25Mar(25x) and simply purchase now and take the difference ?
[2015-12-09 21:58:25] sleger : because we are still in december
[2015-12-09 21:58:49] Giovanni : But can't I still short it and then realize the profit come march ?
[2015-12-09 21:59:01] coolcatgee : yea short it
[2015-12-09 21:59:02] Giovanni : with no price risk
[2015-12-09 21:59:39] sleger : sure sure go ahead
[2015-12-09 21:59:50] sleger : or maybe read all the docs and faq, up to you
[2015-12-09 22:00:49] Giovanni : Im going to stick with reading for now. simply trying to figure out the basics
[2015-12-09 22:01:04] sleger : good idea
[2015-12-09 22:03:08] coolcatgee : liquidity is a factor on the distant contracts, experiment with small amounts first, I've been liquidated many times before, and so will you, eventually you'll get the hang of it... best advice i can give is "the longer it takes until your first liquidation, the more it hurts"
[2015-12-09 22:03:41] Giovanni : thanks for the input, I'll keep it in mind
[2015-12-09 22:06:41] sleger : If you want to save a lot of time, you should just send me all your bitcoins directly because, eventually, that's where they will end up :p
[2015-12-09 22:17:13] zanza : if this Satoshi reveal is a fake, we could see a big dump
[2015-12-09 22:25:16] wurstgelee : y would that have any impact?
[2015-12-09 22:27:13] justinlooking : buy the rumour sell the fact
[2015-12-09 22:33:08] sleger : wurstgelee: y do you think it made the price go up in the first place ?
[2015-12-09 22:33:42] wurstgelee : sleger: who said i do think that?
[2015-12-09 22:33:58] wurstgelee : i dont think that story had any impact
[2015-12-09 22:34:28] sleger : the price jumped 20 points when it came out
[2015-12-09 22:34:40] sleger : this story was responsible for the up in price
[2015-12-09 22:35:15] justinlooking : agree - maybe "no such thing as bad publicity"
[2015-12-09 22:35:42] wurstgelee : that jump was in the books even before that story came out.
[2015-12-09 22:35:48] wurstgelee : but we will never know... ;)
[2015-12-09 22:36:00] nickhnt : wurstgelee: +1
[2015-12-09 22:37:07] sleger : the timing is undeniable
[2015-12-09 22:37:21] wurstgelee : coincidence imo
[2015-12-09 22:37:27] wurstgelee : but really..does that matter?
[2015-12-09 22:38:49] sleger : yes, because if the story is proven wrong, people will think the price shouldnt have shot up like that
[2015-12-09 22:39:29] wurstgelee : ok, we can agree on disagreement here i think ;)
[2015-12-09 22:41:08] wurstgelee : nice to be back to pre-afternoon dump level
[2015-12-09 22:41:17] sleger : Ok. But I end up being right 99% of the time
[2015-12-09 22:42:02] wurstgelee : if that was the case, u would be filthy rich
[2015-12-09 22:42:58] justinlooking : he always bets the farm on the 1% :P
[2015-12-09 22:43:04] wurstgelee : lol 8)
[2015-12-09 22:43:36] sleger : lol
[2015-12-09 22:46:50] wurstgelee : ok, now dip, then mewn please
[2015-12-09 22:47:35] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: Re: bots/user count, we can tell because the UI goes through a websocket translation layer that separates each type of data (orderBook, order, trade, etc.) into a discrete datastream, while multiplexing over a single websocket conn
[2015-12-09 22:47:51] BitMEX_Sam : So we count how many are accessing the WS directly, and how many through the multiplexing layer
[2015-12-09 22:47:59] sleger : understood
[2015-12-09 22:48:16] wurstgelee : makes sense
[2015-12-09 22:48:18] sleger : thats a lot of bots, im guessing most just listen to market data
[2015-12-09 22:48:28] wurstgelee : btw, @BitMEX_Sam, did u silnece rapidtrades?
[2015-12-09 22:48:33] wurstgelee : *silence
[2015-12-09 22:48:40] BitMEX_Sam : No, I suppose he just left on his own.
[2015-12-09 22:48:51] wurstgelee : oh, didnt expect that
[2015-12-09 22:50:05] habibi : expect new account of this indicator
[2015-12-09 22:50:17] zanza : his claim that the coins are locked up until 2020, gives stability
[2015-12-09 22:50:22] zanza : locked in a trust
[2015-12-09 22:50:33] zanza : however, if this is a lie, then it brings volatility
[2015-12-09 22:51:29] sleger : I agree. I think the price shot up becauseit gave assurance that 1m btc were locked up for few more years
[2015-12-09 22:52:22] wurstgelee : isnt that deal void because the guy died?
[2015-12-09 22:52:30] zanza : idk @wurstgelee
[2015-12-09 22:52:41] wurstgelee : if i didnt get it completely wrong, it is
[2015-12-09 22:52:47] zanza : it was alwasy a big mystery to me why Satoshi didn't spend any of his 1-2 million coins
[2015-12-09 22:53:19] wurstgelee : also http://motherboard.vice.com/read/satoshis-pgp-keys-are-probably-backdated-and-point-to-a-hoax
[2015-12-09 22:53:38] wurstgelee : in case it wasnt posted here before
[2015-12-09 22:55:28] wurstgelee : dip incoming
[2015-12-09 22:57:19] wurstgelee : or not oO
[2015-12-09 23:03:30] zanza : I still think it could be him
[2015-12-09 23:03:36] zanza : I'd say 70% likelyhood imo
[2015-12-09 23:14:45] zanza : but Australians are known to be top knotch trolls