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[2026-01-10 14:05:12] Dario1 : Traczii: I know these things from experience and don’t need AI to tell me about it
[2026-01-10 14:06:03] Mr. JB : Omg been away for more than 2 hours and you guys still bitching
[2026-01-10 14:06:13] Dario1 : Just wanted confirmation from AI, which is a smarter source than @Traczii :kek:
[2026-01-10 14:06:25] Dario1 : IQ of Gemini AI is almost 132 or something
[2026-01-10 14:06:38] Dario1 : his iq is probably below 100 :arthur:
[2026-01-10 14:06:41] Mr. JB : Opened 10k short and leave again for a few hours. Bye bye
[2026-01-10 14:07:01] Doktor NONONO : Mr. JB: +1
[2026-01-10 14:07:10] Doktor NONONO : I thought I was annoying
[2026-01-10 14:07:28] Doktor NONONO : Are you short?
[2026-01-10 14:07:36] Mr. JB : I am now
[2026-01-10 14:07:42] Doktor NONONO : Oops
[2026-01-10 14:07:48] Dario1 : Traczii: You are probably better off using PeacenLuv for confirmation. He is even smarter than you 🤣
[2026-01-10 14:07:56] Doktor NONONO : Good luck
[2026-01-10 14:07:57] Traczii : @dario1 lunch break still not over?
[2026-01-10 14:08:23] Doktor NONONO : /position btcusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: 9,000 USD @ 90505.1 ```
[2026-01-10 14:08:26] Dario1 : Traczii: Go argue with facts and reality. Your ass just got busted
[2026-01-10 14:08:33] Doktor NONONO : position ltcusd
[2026-01-10 14:08:42] Doktor NONONO : /position ltcusd ``` :bitmex: LTCUSD: 605 Cont @ 82.005 ```
[2026-01-10 14:09:13] Mr. JB : 88, 86, 81 and if 81 doesnt hold, 60k! Could not stay bullish and long atm @Doktor NONONO
[2026-01-10 14:09:29] Doktor NONONO : Fair
[2026-01-10 14:09:35] Dario1 : Traczii: You will come back in a year or two and apologize for being wrong, stupid and very rude
[2026-01-10 14:09:40] Doktor NONONO : I won't take it personally
[2026-01-10 14:09:50] Traczii : clueless & poor I'll pray for you @dario1 even that might not help you sadly
[2026-01-10 14:09:53] Mr. JB : Doktor NONONO: Not personally meant
[2026-01-10 14:09:54] Doktor NONONO : Just don't want to see frens hurt
[2026-01-10 14:09:56] Dario1 : Anyway, made my point. No sense is talking to an idiot
[2026-01-10 14:10:36] Mr. JB : Doktor NONONO: but i might be wrong sir. I usually am, or kill myself on high lev and be ricght after all, but still. We'll see.
[2026-01-10 14:10:40] Dario1 : Traczii: Keep believing you know better than AI, institutional traders and banks and market makers ;)
[2026-01-10 14:10:48] Dario1 : See how far it gets you :kek:
[2026-01-10 14:11:04] Doktor NONONO : The KANKUNK is loading
[2026-01-10 14:11:32] Mr. JB : Doktor NONONO: Write down 88260 with my name next to it. Or just screenshot... ;-)
[2026-01-10 14:11:41] Traczii : Quite far tbh doing good rn :doge:
[2026-01-10 14:11:53] Doktor NONONO : Mr. JB: I won't forget sir, don't worry
[2026-01-10 14:12:28] Mr. JB : Doktor NONONO: if 10% profit on wallet in a day is a good result, i should close now...
[2026-01-10 14:13:27] Dario1 : Traczii: Provide evidence for your profitable bot using basic math or stfu :doge:
[2026-01-10 14:14:30] Dario1 : You can’t because you don’t have any
[2026-01-10 14:14:59] Doktor NONONO : stops in profit at least
[2026-01-10 14:15:07] Doktor NONONO : not coming back i don't think
[2026-01-10 14:15:26] kroleg666 : the dip is almost over https://i.ibb.co/Fqnz5Lft/image.png
[2026-01-10 14:15:56] Doktor NONONO : kroleg666: +1
[2026-01-10 14:16:08] Traczii : @dario1 nah I've learned today that those profits are imaginary and if I dont have a 200+ iq and not a quant at a well known fund im ngmi
[2026-01-10 14:17:09] Doktor NONONO : https://youtu.be/xGoE8GUbNO8?si=IOvFclN7MtEW-lkP
[2026-01-10 14:17:35] Traczii : I enjoyed these discussions good sir gave me a decent laugh
[2026-01-10 14:18:44] Doktor NONONO : children squibbling yet. This is what mute button is for
[2026-01-10 14:19:12] PeacenLuv : buy the dip btc lezgohh
[2026-01-10 14:19:21] Doktor NONONO : PeacenLuv: +
[2026-01-10 14:19:28] Dario1 : Traczii: your profits are not necessarily imaginary, but when you claim to know better than banks, MMs, and institutional traders and you don’t want to accept all the publicly available facts, all this while you fail to provide any evidence for your extraordinary claims, it shows you ar not only an stubborn idiot, but also a pathological liar ;)
[2026-01-10 14:19:39] Doktor NONONO : Muted
[2026-01-10 14:20:09] Doktor NONONO : Feel free to mute me too
[2026-01-10 14:21:34] Doktor NONONO : Irritating Noises. https://youtu.be/55w0WExx_2U?si=4QbLgqkaOdmsZL8D
[2026-01-10 14:22:32] Dario1 : If @Traczii was capable of having a polite evidence based discussion without an ego, then none of this would have continues :)
[2026-01-10 14:22:56] Dario1 : continued*
[2026-01-10 14:23:02] Doktor NONONO : There is an irony that is lost on you here
[2026-01-10 14:23:21] Doktor NONONO : Trollbox sir. Everyone gotta big wang here
[2026-01-10 14:23:57] Dario1 : Absolutely
[2026-01-10 14:24:01] Doktor NONONO : Try not to let the rats in the kitchen take your soul. And you'll be just fine
[2026-01-10 14:24:46] Dario1 : I have been active on tb for the last 4-5 years. Only the last two months not so much
[2026-01-10 14:25:04] Doktor NONONO : i have been in th wilderness for years
[2026-01-10 14:25:08] Dario1 : I have seen these idiots come and go over the years, they can’t take my soul
[2026-01-10 14:25:18] Doktor NONONO : Bless you sir
[2026-01-10 14:25:29] Dario1 : Thank you, sir, bless you too
[2026-01-10 14:25:38] Doktor NONONO : 💚
[2026-01-10 14:25:40] Traczii : :kek:
[2026-01-10 14:25:48] Dario1 : 💚
[2026-01-10 14:26:20] Doktor NONONO : https://youtu.be/1EMVF8sCNFQ?si=kAsEcKGCsL5a8Qjl All things to all men
[2026-01-10 14:27:05] Doktor NONONO : Roots Manuva
[2026-01-10 14:27:47] Doktor NONONO : Cinemtic Orchestra. I don't know too many songs like this one.
[2026-01-10 14:30:03] Doktor NONONO : more pearls for swine
[2026-01-10 14:31:50] Dario1 : Wunderbar +1
[2026-01-10 14:32:02] Doktor NONONO : 💚
[2026-01-10 14:38:29] Doktor NONONO : Bizarre https://youtu.be/3lSZT9xNl10?si=azaMoXbEit5owBOW
[2026-01-10 14:42:40] Mr. JB : 87.6 In a little over 10 hours
[2026-01-10 14:44:36] Mr. Axelrod : Mr. JB: 70K
[2026-01-10 14:44:53] Shiro : 6k 😂🤣
[2026-01-10 14:52:41] Mr. JB : Sell it guys. Price froze
[2026-01-10 14:52:50] Mr. JB : Make it move again
[2026-01-10 14:53:21] Mr. JB : Or only in my chart stuck on 90440?
[2026-01-10 14:55:39] GodBleesYou : mmmmmm
[2026-01-10 14:55:49] GodBleesYou : lets go MOOO
[2026-01-10 15:01:30] Doktor NONONO : Cognitive Bias 101 https://youtube.com/shorts/Ie_M8-vUpHI?si=xvFDFmX_dQsBGdj6
[2026-01-10 15:08:45] Mr. JB : Dont tell me 90400 was a new higher low 😫
[2026-01-10 15:09:36] Mr. JB : Please let 90500 be a new lower high.
[2026-01-10 15:09:50] Mr. JB : Watching 5m chart as you see... 💚
[2026-01-10 15:12:14] Dario1 : Watching paint dry on a 5m chart on weekend :arthur:
[2026-01-10 15:12:25] Dario1 : how exciting 😜
[2026-01-10 15:14:54] Doktor NONONO : https://youtu.be/OI3shBXlqsw?si=lx6ietj5v_KidwfP Get Free
[2026-01-10 15:15:01] Doktor NONONO : Almost there bois
[2026-01-10 15:17:02] Doktor NONONO : Only finest music pearls for swine.
[2026-01-10 15:18:07] BMEXcheers : i see a lot of conversation happened whilst i fell asleep (forgot to take my stims)
[2026-01-10 15:18:12] BMEXcheers : has anyone reliably used AI with trading
[2026-01-10 15:18:14] BMEXcheers : ^
[2026-01-10 15:18:18] BMEXcheers : this was my query
[2026-01-10 15:18:21] BMEXcheers : can it be done
[2026-01-10 15:18:31] BMEXcheers : i mean i can get the api's n shieeeet running asap
[2026-01-10 15:18:44] BMEXcheers : bitmex api + news feed api
[2026-01-10 15:18:44] Doktor NONONO : All my friends https://youtu.be/aygY5OqMuKE?si=4tihcicaj1QgbdCn
[2026-01-10 15:18:48] BMEXcheers : api's all round
[2026-01-10 15:23:31] GodBleesYou : https://www.tradingview.com/x/drerWSa4/ it might flip bull again if bull can sustain and push up but if it bartdown we catch the knife at 86400-83000 area @Doktor NONONO
[2026-01-10 15:24:18] Doktor NONONO : Will be ready sir
[2026-01-10 15:24:23] GodBleesYou : BMEXcheers: no love.. i dont recomened use ai for trading use ai to build stratgy and run it
[2026-01-10 15:24:46] GodBleesYou : Doktor NONONO: <3
[2026-01-10 15:26:14] Doktor NONONO : Signs are very positive here. I did not want to see PA do this doen here, but so far it looks okay.
[2026-01-10 15:26:34] Doktor NONONO : A line has been drawn over a line that was just drawn over. 90K is stronk
[2026-01-10 15:27:18] Doktor NONONO : Up is next in hierarchy of matters
[2026-01-10 15:28:42] thankyousomuch : bull run
[2026-01-10 15:28:55] funny cat videos : ran* :pepe:
[2026-01-10 15:28:55] GodBleesYou : i will give you a tip time fream change stratgy one straagy will work badly on low time fream but will work good on big time freams whales market makers etc etc can manipulete stuff on low time fream but it is impossible for them scam big moves (big time freams) almost every code you will code on daily will be good as long it is good stratgy for trading short time fream with stratgy you will need to be pro and i mean super pro i saw many stratgys that won for 5 years just to lose it all in 1 swing... so strat with big time freams and advance pay for trading view pro you will need to backtest your stratgy both in bull/bear markets
[2026-01-10 15:29:04] thankyousomuch : Mc Donalds :pepe:
[2026-01-10 15:29:09] GodBleesYou : BMEXcheers: forgot to tag you
[2026-01-10 15:29:52] Doktor NONONO : https://youtu.be/UpjLLw-cVzU?si=OIxmpbIcuRnCDWie RING THE ALARM
[2026-01-10 15:30:14] Doktor NONONO : Just waiting for Godot now
[2026-01-10 15:31:12] Dario1 : BMEXcheers: For news or sentiment analysis, you obviously need AI (natural language processing)
[2026-01-10 15:31:34] GodBleesYou : Dario1: dario you use Ai?
[2026-01-10 15:31:39] Dario1 : For analyzing data and complex patterns, invisible to human eye/brain
[2026-01-10 15:31:42] Dario1 : GodBleesYou: yes
[2026-01-10 15:32:02] Dario1 : you also need AI
[2026-01-10 15:32:10] Dario1 : By patterns, I don’t mean chart patterns
[2026-01-10 15:32:27] Dario1 : that’s the least impressive thing it can do
[2026-01-10 15:32:38] Dario1 : I mean patterns not visible to human eye
[2026-01-10 15:32:48] Dario1 : like statistical relationships and speed etc
[2026-01-10 15:32:51] GodBleesYou : Dario1: i have ai that manage the data base.. but she dont control the algo (stratgy )
[2026-01-10 15:32:57] Dario1 : If our human view is limited to 2 dimensions
[2026-01-10 15:33:04] Doktor NONONO : AI can even comfort you when you're underwater: https://youtu.be/rooAXx5nU_w?si=ry6hvc3ZJj36N6bN
[2026-01-10 15:33:09] Dario1 : AI can view 100 dimensions
[2026-01-10 15:33:21] Dario1 : Also, our human logic is linear while AI can detect non-linear and conditional relationships
[2026-01-10 15:33:23] Doktor NONONO : In the beginning there was th word
[2026-01-10 15:33:40] Doktor NONONO : What is a LArge LAngua Model if it's not a word cyclotron
[2026-01-10 15:33:53] Dario1 : GodBleesYou: I don’t use AI to manage database. That’s interesting. Would you recommend it?
[2026-01-10 15:33:53] Doktor NONONO : WITH A VIRGIN BIRTH
[2026-01-10 15:33:58] GodBleesYou : Dario1: you have backtest of her ? since 2011?
[2026-01-10 15:34:48] GodBleesYou : Dario1: i do it beacuse i trade multi time freams and multi assests countart size change order size change she control those stuff
[2026-01-10 15:35:31] GodBleesYou : Dario1: 1 sec i try to load backtest since 2011
[2026-01-10 15:35:36] Doktor NONONO : Dario1: +1
[2026-01-10 15:35:49] Doktor NONONO : It has charactersistics of omniscience
[2026-01-10 15:36:01] Doktor NONONO : Yet cannot judge
[2026-01-10 15:36:10] Doktor NONONO : Have you ever tried to upset one
[2026-01-10 15:36:21] Doktor NONONO : Talk about turn the other cheek
[2026-01-10 15:36:28] Dario1 : GodBleesYou: Yes, it’s not difficult to find strategies that are 90% right in backtesting, the difficult part is detecting the market condition and selecting the best strategy for that given market condition, from a list of 20 available tested strategies
[2026-01-10 15:36:47] Dario1 : My point is, the best bots are not static based using only one strategy
[2026-01-10 15:36:58] GodBleesYou : Dario1: https://cdn.corenexis.com/view/9977761168
[2026-01-10 15:36:59] Dario1 : the strategy should be changed dynamically
[2026-01-10 15:37:07] thankyousomuch : :pepe: Backdonalds
[2026-01-10 15:37:15] GodBleesYou : Dario1: i saw many 90% that fail
[2026-01-10 15:37:24] GodBleesYou : that why i trust this one..
[2026-01-10 15:37:27] GodBleesYou : only 30% win rate
[2026-01-10 15:37:39] thankyousomuch : Blackdonalds :arthur:
[2026-01-10 15:37:40] Dario1 : Doktor NONONO: I tried turning the other cheek many times as a former christian :kek:
[2026-01-10 15:38:03] thankyousomuch : longing 30 %winrate
[2026-01-10 15:38:07] GodBleesYou : but those 30% are the bull markets and bear markets he never miss bear market or bear market he hunt for those big moves.. not the side ways not wash trades.. @Dario1
[2026-01-10 15:38:20] Dario1 : GodBleesYou: even if the strategy os right 100% of the time it backtesting, it could still not be profitable if the risk management part fails :arthur:
[2026-01-10 15:38:37] thankyousomuch : longing cant be profitable
[2026-01-10 15:38:44] GodBleesYou : Dario1: currect
[2026-01-10 15:38:59] GodBleesYou : that why we have system to dilevege and add mergin xD
[2026-01-10 15:39:06] GodBleesYou : we know those wicks xD
[2026-01-10 15:39:42] thankyousomuch : price soon subdonalds
[2026-01-10 15:39:45] GodBleesYou : thats why i always cashout i know dark days will come when mergin will be needed
[2026-01-10 15:39:49] Dario1 : GodBleesYou: jajaja exactly
[2026-01-10 15:39:58] GodBleesYou : anyways saw me back test since 2011
[2026-01-10 15:40:00] thankyousomuch : dark days for longs yes
[2026-01-10 15:40:03] GodBleesYou : Dario1: https://cdn.corenexis.com/view/9977761168
[2026-01-10 15:40:19] Dario1 : GodBleesYou: great stuff 👍
[2026-01-10 15:40:19] GodBleesYou : 10k$ strat point
[2026-01-10 15:40:36] GodBleesYou : only few dollars per order @Dario1
[2026-01-10 15:40:55] thankyousomuch : rather than longing i recommend to grab burger and run backwards
[2026-01-10 15:43:48] GodBleesYou : Dario1: you did entire history back test ?
[2026-01-10 15:43:58] thankyousomuch : Dr. Pullrun :pepe:
[2026-01-10 15:46:12] kroleg666 : 2.85000 ‎+7.14% $2.84
[2026-01-10 15:51:35] 45th_blown_account : GodBleesYou: how have won 92m ? good :kek:
[2026-01-10 15:52:54] Doktor NONONO : thankyousomuch: -1
[2026-01-10 15:54:44] Dario1 : GodBleesYou: Yes, but not on tradingview as I told you a few days ago. Mine required so much computing resources that TradingView would just time out before completing backtest. That was back in 2018 when I was applying discrete fourier transform to get all the frequencies present in the data
[2026-01-10 15:55:17] Dario1 : so I switched to coding my own backtesting module in C++
[2026-01-10 16:03:46] Dario1 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_Fourier_transform
[2026-01-10 16:06:21] GodBleesYou : 226k trades jajajajajajaa
[2026-01-10 16:06:54] GodBleesYou : Dario1: as long you can backtest it all good
[2026-01-10 16:07:14] GodBleesYou : it dont matter if it on trading view or other way
[2026-01-10 16:08:09] Dario1 : GodBleesYou: Next step is upgrading to quantum models. Amazon Web Services started offering quantum computers, but currently very expensive, a few k per hour :arthur:
[2026-01-10 16:08:31] GodBleesYou : Dario1: lol fwew k per hour lol
[2026-01-10 16:08:55] GodBleesYou : my server cost less then 10$ xD jajajajajajaja @Dario1
[2026-01-10 16:09:38] Dario1 : GodBleesYou: I pay 12$ per month for my command center server
[2026-01-10 16:10:00] Dario1 : but for every exchnage, I have a separate server costing around 200 per month
[2026-01-10 16:10:07] Dario1 : for those interested:
[2026-01-10 16:10:09] Dario1 : [2025-07-22 00:08:04] Dario1 : In classical portfolio optimization, you might use methods like Mean-Variance Optimization (MVO) or the Markowitz model to minimize risk while maximizing return. However, these methods can be computationally expensive as the number of assets grows. Quantum computers, with their ability to explore multiple states at once, can potentially optimize portfolios more efficiently.
[2026-01-10 16:10:16] BMEXcheers : GodBleesYou: thats what i meant, building a strat using AI to trade for you etc
[2026-01-10 16:10:22] GodBleesYou : Dario1: yea no need for more then that as trader if the system only run few users
[2026-01-10 16:10:38] GodBleesYou : BMEXcheers: yea you can do it
[2026-01-10 16:10:40] Dario1 : GodBleesYou: precisely bro
[2026-01-10 16:12:02] GodBleesYou : BMEXcheers: https://cdn.corenexis.com/view/9977761168 thats on 26 minutes time fream.. it extremly hard to get those kind level took me almost 10 years of playing and twicking my stragy to be able to survvive and sustain both bear and bull
[2026-01-10 16:12:33] GodBleesYou : account strating point is 10k balance
[2026-01-10 16:15:49] GodBleesYou : https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ2m9g11xGY&list=RDAMVMLQ2m9g11xGY
[2026-01-10 16:16:01] GodBleesYou : :arthur:
[2026-01-10 16:17:12] Traczii : BMEXcheers: It's possible but you need to be specific with the variables order sizes, inventory management etc. best to test the strats with a small amount on a sub account. you could backtest but orderflow data is like 2k for the prev month
[2026-01-10 16:17:17] Gandalf the Grey : micro range is with us again
[2026-01-10 16:17:33] BMEXcheers : interesting
[2026-01-10 16:17:43] Doktor NONONO : Gandalf the Grey: Range of the deranged sir
[2026-01-10 16:18:16] Gandalf the Grey : it is very exciting to see
[2026-01-10 16:18:26] Gandalf the Grey : 24h same price lol
[2026-01-10 16:18:34] Gandalf the Grey : cannot make matcha or cry
[2026-01-10 16:18:38] GodBleesYou : Gandalf the Grey: :arthur:
[2026-01-10 16:18:49] Gandalf the Grey : can only pay or get funding
[2026-01-10 16:19:53] thankyousomuch : Arrrr :arthur: Where is Dr.
[2026-01-10 16:20:02] thankyousomuch : Dr. Pullrun and the bullrun to 30k
[2026-01-10 16:20:47] Dario1 : you can download the entire compressed orderflow data from bitmex’s server, so saying you are limited to 2k for the prev month shows you don’t know much
[2026-01-10 16:21:15] Dario1 : the entire historical data
[2026-01-10 16:27:05] snowdenn : I'm wondering how this phase should be called - hypercompression or just boredom phase?!?
[2026-01-10 16:27:07] PeacenLuv : pumpittup btc
[2026-01-10 16:27:10] Traczii : trade sizes, orderbook history?
[2026-01-10 16:27:24] Dario1 : https://public.bitmex.com/?prefix=data/trade/
[2026-01-10 16:27:34] Traczii : since when :o
[2026-01-10 16:27:55] Dario1 : since the very first day back in 2014
[2026-01-10 16:28:23] Traczii : the only thing what you get from bitmex api is price data, trade count etc.
[2026-01-10 16:29:28] Dario1 : Then there is also another one for entire historical quote data
[2026-01-10 16:29:30] Dario1 : https://public.bitmex.com/?prefix=data/quote/
[2026-01-10 16:30:13] Traczii : @dario1 "so saying you are limited to 2k for the prev month shows you don’t know much" stop making a fool out of yourself
[2026-01-10 16:30:59] Dario1 : Traczii: You said you could backtest but orderflow data is like 2k for the prev month
[2026-01-10 16:31:12] Dario1 : I just show you, you are not limited to 2k
[2026-01-10 16:31:25] Traczii : https://tardis.dev/
[2026-01-10 16:31:28] Dario1 : you have access to the entire historical data for backtesting
[2026-01-10 16:31:57] Traczii : this si what im talking about
[2026-01-10 16:31:57] Dario1 : So you were dead wrong
[2026-01-10 16:32:01] Dario1 : as usual
[2026-01-10 16:32:05] Dario1 : :arthur:
[2026-01-10 16:32:12] Traczii : 300kb file for a day lmao
[2026-01-10 16:32:35] Dario1 : Stop making fool of yourself idiot
[2026-01-10 16:32:43] Traczii : that aint even a single min of orderflow data
[2026-01-10 16:33:08] Dario1 : He is backtesting trades not orderflow
[2026-01-10 16:33:20] GodBleesYou : Dario1: :arthur:
[2026-01-10 16:33:36] Dario1 : GodBleesYou: :arthur:
[2026-01-10 16:34:02] Traczii : I was talking about orderflow where did I say price history?
[2026-01-10 16:34:48] Dario1 : Where did he say he was backtesting orderflow? You didn’t know about these compressed historical data until now
[2026-01-10 16:34:56] Traczii : trading since 2018 and still clueless may god help you sir
[2026-01-10 16:35:02] Dario1 : be happy you learned something new today ;)
[2026-01-10 16:36:03] Traczii : ah cute r3tard thinks he's teaching :kek:
[2026-01-10 16:36:12] Dario1 : Yet you didn’t know bitmex offers it until now
[2026-01-10 16:36:23] Dario1 : so who is the clueless one?
[2026-01-10 16:36:38] Dario1 : anyway, waste of time arguing with a rettard
[2026-01-10 16:37:03] Traczii : :kek:
[2026-01-10 16:39:20] Dario1 : I didn’t say I am teaching. Telling you historical data are available is not considered teaching you idiot, it’s called pointing out how clueless you are. Telling you how to code the backtesting module could be considered teaching
[2026-01-10 16:41:07] Traczii : Learn 2 read talking about orderflow data tick by tick ob snapshots recent trades around available from the api. You need to store it yourself or buy it from third parties
[2026-01-10 16:41:29] Traczii : arent available*
[2026-01-10 16:41:38] Dario1 : Not going to repeat myself
[2026-01-10 16:42:10] Doktor NONONO : Please
[2026-01-10 16:42:19] Doktor NONONO : 😘
[2026-01-10 16:42:28] Dario1 : 😘
[2026-01-10 16:42:35] Traczii : 😚
[2026-01-10 16:42:43] Doktor NONONO : ⭐
[2026-01-10 16:42:44] Gandalf the Grey : kiki
[2026-01-10 16:43:00] Doktor NONONO : Waikiki even
[2026-01-10 16:43:08] Doktor NONONO : We going surfing
[2026-01-10 16:43:14] Doktor NONONO : looks like
[2026-01-10 16:43:35] Doktor NONONO : Waves are in town
[2026-01-10 16:44:14] Doktor NONONO : Sky surfing
[2026-01-10 16:45:08] Doktor NONONO : You skins You wishlists You Homesick Angels
[2026-01-10 16:45:31] Doktor NONONO : You astronaughts of the internet
[2026-01-10 16:45:50] Doktor NONONO : Electing an EREKT
[2026-01-10 16:45:56] Doktor NONONO : dialect
[2026-01-10 16:46:16] Doktor NONONO : And inspecting this cobalt black with the blue
[2026-01-10 16:46:38] Doktor NONONO : You nemesis of your dreams
[2026-01-10 16:46:52] Doktor NONONO : You kiteless tails gliding down the sky
[2026-01-10 16:47:01] Doktor NONONO : You hypnotists
[2026-01-10 16:47:06] Doktor NONONO : twisted by the hurricane
[2026-01-10 16:47:12] Doktor NONONO : of your breath
[2026-01-10 16:47:21] Doktor NONONO : Belivers in death
[2026-01-10 16:47:30] Doktor NONONO : Leaving LOVE BEHIND
[2026-01-10 16:47:50] Doktor NONONO : Her'es to you AHAB
[2026-01-10 16:49:27] Doktor NONONO : https://youtu.be/rE1lIdtDs2g?si=Vc-2Ex_eHgZtj7V1
[2026-01-10 16:50:50] Doktor NONONO : As you were 😘
[2026-01-10 16:54:13] Doktor NONONO : And that was for the you who don't see the me in you.
[2026-01-10 16:54:37] Doktor NONONO : 💚
[2026-01-10 16:57:45] Doktor NONONO : Artur not the only one watching
[2026-01-10 17:00:20] Doktor NONONO : LOAD KANKUNK
[2026-01-10 17:01:28] thankyousomuch : why long bear market?
[2026-01-10 17:01:52] Doktor NONONO : why indeed
[2026-01-10 17:03:17] thankyousomuch : ß🐮
[2026-01-10 17:03:26] thankyousomuch : ?🐮
[2026-01-10 17:04:54] Doktor NONONO : Don worry. I shush now.
[2026-01-10 17:05:41] GodBleesYou : bulls trying real hard to sustain it
[2026-01-10 17:06:08] GodBleesYou : breakout near? :arthur:
[2026-01-10 17:06:19] Doktor NONONO : all this has to do is one dolla at a time, but must be relentless.
[2026-01-10 17:06:43] Doktor NONONO : the glass is directly above
[2026-01-10 17:07:00] Doktor NONONO : 90600+
[2026-01-10 17:13:30] thankyousomuch : life below 100k is good
[2026-01-10 17:14:08] Dario1 : If the support of the ascending channel on 4H holds, then 96K
[2026-01-10 17:14:11] Dario1 : otherwise fill the CME gap at 88K
[2026-01-10 17:14:32] Doktor NONONO : @Dario1 ⭐
[2026-01-10 17:14:34] Doktor NONONO : correct
[2026-01-10 17:15:04] Doktor NONONO : that trendline has juice below
[2026-01-10 17:15:13] Doktor NONONO : It is a worry
[2026-01-10 17:15:20] Dario1 : yep very much so
[2026-01-10 17:15:54] Doktor NONONO : that's why this chop must end now
[2026-01-10 17:16:12] Doktor NONONO : Bula hand forced take 2
[2026-01-10 17:16:25] Doktor NONONO : Let's see what they got
[2026-01-10 17:17:13] Doktor NONONO : They won't get a better chance
[2026-01-10 17:17:43] Dario1 : Reminded me of a quote by Jesse Livermore, bluemaster’s favourite trader
[2026-01-10 17:17:54] Dario1 : Choppy markets tend to lead investors to second guess themselves, suffer “death by a thousand cuts,” and become frustrated. Jesse Livermore
[2026-01-10 17:18:00] Dario1 : :arthur:
[2026-01-10 17:18:27] Doktor NONONO : Dario1: Look left
[2026-01-10 17:18:35] Doktor NONONO : That was the slaughterhouse
[2026-01-10 17:18:43] Doktor NONONO : 2025
[2026-01-10 17:18:52] Dario1 : Doktor NONONO: perfectly executed indeed
[2026-01-10 17:19:39] Doktor NONONO : Dario1: +1
[2026-01-10 17:19:47] Doktor NONONO : All leverage wiped
[2026-01-10 17:19:58] Doktor NONONO : Most lev over 2
[2026-01-10 17:20:14] Doktor NONONO : Ahoy
[2026-01-10 17:22:31] Dario1 : Doktor NONONO: rinse and repeat like every cycle :arthur:
[2026-01-10 17:22:54] Doktor NONONO : Same pain no matter the vally and peak
[2026-01-10 17:23:43] Doktor NONONO : I belive in trader parlance it is known as the PAth of Max Pain
[2026-01-10 17:24:00] Doktor NONONO : Everyone here knows it well
[2026-01-10 17:24:22] Doktor NONONO : It's part of the deal
[2026-01-10 17:24:41] Dario1 : precisely. I like how you put it: path of max pain +1
[2026-01-10 17:25:02] Doktor NONONO : cheers, not my line tho
[2026-01-10 17:25:24] Dario1 : interesting one nonetheless
[2026-01-10 17:25:32] Doktor NONONO : tx
[2026-01-10 17:26:46] Doktor NONONO : Doesn't look like much now, but this very encouraging situatiuon now for bula
[2026-01-10 17:38:14] Doktor NONONO : 6H needs a fix tho
[2026-01-10 17:38:34] Doktor NONONO : bula better hurry
[2026-01-10 17:44:34] Doktor NONONO : Now or nver territory lol
[2026-01-10 17:49:53] Dario1 : Traczii: [2025-12-30 16:15:06] Traczii : r3tards have 0 clue how to run a succesful exchange, the founder is promoting every other coin except his own
[2026-01-10 17:50:06] Dario1 : lmao
[2026-01-10 17:50:49] Dario1 : So according to you, the founders of bitmex are r3tards, banks are r3tards, MMs are r3tards, institutional traders are r3tards, but you are the only one who gets it
[2026-01-10 17:53:37] Gandalf the Grey : seems reasonable lmao
[2026-01-10 17:54:25] Dario1 : very reasonable
[2026-01-10 17:54:31] GodBleesYou : EXIT DUMP ?
[2026-01-10 17:54:34] GodBleesYou : :arthur:
[2026-01-10 17:54:40] Dario1 : https://youtube.com/watch?v=fxrH3fIoJrM 🎵
[2026-01-10 17:55:13] Doktor NONONO : not looking too flash
[2026-01-10 17:55:59] Doktor NONONO : Why i do this to myself on a saturday i have no ida lol
[2026-01-10 17:56:32] Doktor NONONO : giving this a few more minutes
[2026-01-10 17:57:34] Doktor NONONO : PA must be egregious. If it's egregrious, you know you are watching Price Action.
[2026-01-10 17:58:23] Gandalf the Grey : 0.2 percent moves are scary
[2026-01-10 17:59:02] Doktor NONONO : haha
[2026-01-10 17:59:04] Traczii : @dario1 Nah sam, ben and arthur made their money but they seem to still have plans for bitmex by checking recent interviews of the ceo. you're putting words into my mouth. thats why I said https://www.learn2read.co/ that this link will be very helpful for u
[2026-01-10 17:59:06] Dario1 : Gandalf the Grey: you are still in Saudi or moved to Dubai?
[2026-01-10 17:59:15] Gandalf the Grey : in Riyadh now
[2026-01-10 17:59:49] Dario1 : Traczii: I just copy and pasted your own comment. That’s not putting words in your mouth.
[2026-01-10 17:59:54] Traczii : arthur is kinda r3tarded tho :arthur:
[2026-01-10 18:00:10] Dario1 : he is a billionaire, what are you?
[2026-01-10 18:00:45] Traczii : a non billionaire r3tard :kek:
[2026-01-10 18:00:48] Gandalf the Grey : we gave him that much money?
[2026-01-10 18:01:32] Dario1 : Traczii: :kek:
[2026-01-10 18:03:06] neki : *meanwhile taking a knee* Will smith might turning smith. Smite decisively
[2026-01-10 18:03:53] Gandalf the Grey : Add R to a movie name. It is funny
[2026-01-10 18:04:02] Gandalf the Grey : For example Rice Age
[2026-01-10 18:04:07] Gandalf the Grey : Or The Beer Movie
[2026-01-10 18:04:11] Gandalf the Grey : lmao
[2026-01-10 18:06:08] Doktor NONONO : neki: Curse you
[2026-01-10 18:06:12] thankyousomuch : Backdonalds Arr arr arr ar arrrrrrrrrrrrrr :arthur:🍔
[2026-01-10 18:06:12] funny cat videos : planet of the rapes 😭
[2026-01-10 18:06:23] Doktor NONONO : You were right _again_
[2026-01-10 18:06:29] Dario1 : Gandalf the Grey: partially yes, but partially trading shitcoins and he is doing great on that front as well
[2026-01-10 18:06:32] Dario1 : https://medium.com/@Lost_Fresco/this-is-arthur-hayes-his-net-worth-is-1b-starting-from-100-112a151e119e
[2026-01-10 18:06:36] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSDT`: Sell 0.0004 XBT @ 90514.3 ($36.16) - Your portfolio is now halal: 100% slaughtered
[2026-01-10 18:06:36] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 USD @ 90411.9 - GG, go touch grass
[2026-01-10 18:06:45] Dario1 : “ He almost always successfully predicts where the market go.”
[2026-01-10 18:07:01] Doktor NONONO : Sidewayz all day
[2026-01-10 18:07:04] Dario1 : Anyone following his shitcoins prediction on X can confirm this
[2026-01-10 18:07:45] Dario1 : thankyousomuch: High, Higher, Hired :arthur:
[2026-01-10 18:07:50] Dario1 : 🍟🍔
[2026-01-10 18:10:22] neki : Doktor NONONO: no star for you, sir
[2026-01-10 18:10:53] Doktor NONONO : Alas
[2026-01-10 18:11:22] Doktor NONONO : Sentinell day, watching this egg.
[2026-01-10 18:11:47] neki : Col. Sanders hiring too.. why no RonnieREKT joke there ?
[2026-01-10 18:12:33] Doktor NONONO : Sunrise to sunset of chop for me in south africa
[2026-01-10 18:13:08] Gandalf the Grey : this is not chop
[2026-01-10 18:13:10] Doktor NONONO : Ronnie smoking making big pile ash for Phoenix
[2026-01-10 18:13:12] Gandalf the Grey : this is just plain nothing
[2026-01-10 18:13:39] Doktor NONONO : Gandalf the Grey: It is grgious chop sir, get it right
[2026-01-10 18:13:50] thankyousomuch : Top is in
[2026-01-10 18:14:06] Gandalf the Grey : 250x safu
[2026-01-10 18:14:07] Doktor NONONO : *egregious
[2026-01-10 18:14:27] Dario1 : 250x is for chickens 🐓
[2026-01-10 18:14:35] Dario1 : real men go with 1000x
[2026-01-10 18:14:42] Doktor NONONO : What about ducks, what do ducks get
[2026-01-10 18:14:48] Doktor NONONO : Ah
[2026-01-10 18:14:54] Dario1 : hehe
[2026-01-10 18:15:07] Doktor NONONO : 😆
[2026-01-10 18:16:09] Doktor NONONO : Alright Dorothy are we ready?
[2026-01-10 18:16:18] neki : yeedess yeeeeess
[2026-01-10 18:16:20] neki : yeees
[2026-01-10 18:16:27] Doktor NONONO : IS THE PAINT DRY
[2026-01-10 18:16:45] neki : the paint sir is dry, winds are picking up
[2026-01-10 18:16:57] Doktor NONONO : windchimes are tinkling
[2026-01-10 18:18:03] thankyousomuch : yes bullrun is over but doesnt mean Mc donalds has ended
[2026-01-10 18:18:06] Doktor NONONO : A distant rumbling not unlike a train
[2026-01-10 18:18:24] Doktor NONONO : Coming round a mountain
[2026-01-10 18:18:44] Doktor NONONO : The glass overhead was broken with a pin.
[2026-01-10 18:18:59] Doktor NONONO : Shards fall to floor.
[2026-01-10 18:19:10] thankyousomuch : Dario1: blackrock leads longers to 30k lol
[2026-01-10 18:19:52] Doktor NONONO : The sky is blueest sky blue
[2026-01-10 18:21:09] Doktor NONONO : Fluffiest of clouds https://youtu.be/2Ng9Pf_p7Fw?si=g1SogjPN8llLa_Av
[2026-01-10 18:22:45] Doktor NONONO : One sneeze and they scatter
[2026-01-10 18:22:54] Dario1 : thankyousomuch: Aladdin BlackRock’s AI can predict financial crises...
[2026-01-10 18:22:58] neki : nice one, catchy, perrfetctly unsynced
[2026-01-10 18:23:00] Dario1 : usually right after it causes them :arthur:
[2026-01-10 18:23:08] neki : desynced*
[2026-01-10 18:23:25] Doktor NONONO : 💚
[2026-01-10 18:24:28] neki : Dario1: sure. and Trumps behaviour.. quant logic is rekt. Yolo in 0708 crysis.
[2026-01-10 18:24:40] neki : crisis*
[2026-01-10 18:27:02] Dario1 : neki: true indeed, there is a term for it in the quant world
[2026-01-10 18:27:05] Dario1 : Idiosyncratic Political Risk
[2026-01-10 18:28:37] neki : Idiosyncratic.... sounds fancy
[2026-01-10 18:28:46] neki : means specific.
[2026-01-10 18:28:59] Dario1 : but despite all his mumbo-jumbo and tariff shocks, some managed to end the year profitably
[2026-01-10 18:29:00] neki : whats wrong with normal terminology lol :D
[2026-01-10 18:29:00] Dario1 : adapting better to the volatility
[2026-01-10 18:29:14] Dario1 : so there is still some hope :arthur:
[2026-01-10 18:29:21] Dario1 : neki: lol
[2026-01-10 18:31:07] neki : so specific Political Risk then. well... when was political risk generic in finance lol...
[2026-01-10 18:35:00] neki : Must be nice, living inside a bell. Everything resonates, echoes, confirms. Symphony rings. Rings so loud that ears bleed. To whom the bell tolls.
[2026-01-10 18:36:10] Mr. JB : Slow pa in weekend. Makes it nice to anticipate.
[2026-01-10 18:36:16] neki : *in mood for haiku*
[2026-01-10 18:37:14] Dario1 : neki: lol
[2026-01-10 18:37:58] Dario1 : It basically describes any environment where erratic, pattern-breaking policy shocks often baffle quants, like his x tweets or his own platform
[2026-01-10 18:38:07] Dario1 : giving the edge to adaptable human macro traders…
[2026-01-10 18:38:07] Doktor NONONO : neki: +1
[2026-01-10 18:38:10] neki : *Here, this- is not us this is not our legacy hear, hear, we are here*
[2026-01-10 18:38:18] Dario1 : but these days quants are getting better at tuning their models to react to such volatility much faster
[2026-01-10 18:38:28] Dario1 : So their experience with Trump was fruitful in the end :arthur:
[2026-01-10 18:38:31] Doktor NONONO : neki: ⭐
[2026-01-10 18:38:40] neki : Doktor NONONO: yeees yeeeees
[2026-01-10 18:38:59] kroleg666 : 2.91612 ‎+2.32% $2.91
[2026-01-10 18:40:02] Doktor NONONO : kroleg666: What it meanb sir. It refer to....?
[2026-01-10 18:40:38] Dario1 : QRL
[2026-01-10 18:41:48] Dario1 : He warned us to long it in December 2024
[2026-01-10 18:41:58] Dario1 : when it was around 30 cents
[2026-01-10 18:42:16] Dario1 : it outperformed btc
[2026-01-10 18:42:28] Dario1 : not just a little bit
[2026-01-10 18:42:56] Doktor NONONO : https://youtu.be/viLNPZiImds?si=fxksPeaZe6Hxn-i7 Night Nurse
[2026-01-10 18:43:04] neki : Dario1: it will be funny to see then AI integrated with quant models, algos analysing meaningless tweets. Reaction to noise will turn to reaction to a reaction. I mean we had this phase already.
[2026-01-10 18:43:06] Dario1 : comparing it to btc, it would be like btc goes from 100k to 1 mill within a single year
[2026-01-10 18:43:57] neki : Dario1: qrl cute, hodling since 2017
[2026-01-10 18:44:09] Dario1 : neki: I have talked about sentiment analysis on twitter before, they have filters in place and of course relying on that would be not wise as you point out
[2026-01-10 18:44:31] Dario1 : neki: qrl existed even 2017? wow didn’t know
[2026-01-10 18:44:46] neki : Dario1: ye man.. wait lemme check my wallet
[2026-01-10 18:45:07] Dario1 : neki: you are probably a millionaire now
[2026-01-10 18:45:13] neki : its the only unmuvable asset i have. Even BTC gets kicked around
[2026-01-10 18:45:22] neki : Dario1: not selling
[2026-01-10 18:45:40] Dario1 : neki: When will you sell?
[2026-01-10 18:46:30] Mr. JB : 87.6 in about 10 hours imho
[2026-01-10 18:46:33] neki : Dario1: around 25k prob.
[2026-01-10 18:46:40] neki : at least
[2026-01-10 18:46:47] neki : and im not fekkin around
[2026-01-10 18:46:53] Dario1 : neki: excellent
[2026-01-10 18:47:16] neki : Dario1: do you know about LockheedMartin cooperatikon?
[2026-01-10 18:47:37] neki : Lockheed Martin.. well im no scientist, but...
[2026-01-10 18:47:39] Dario1 : neki: it’s hard not to know them 😜
[2026-01-10 18:47:54] Dario1 : What about them?
[2026-01-10 18:47:56] neki : Dario1: Do you know they patented QRL techonolg?
[2026-01-10 18:48:01] thankyousomuch : 30k then bearmarjet to 40k
[2026-01-10 18:48:11] Dario1 : neki: wow nope didn’t know
[2026-01-10 18:48:12] Doktor NONONO : Going under https://youtu.be/H6DD9G_Mijo?si=e8CQh3QE7VxsurwQ
[2026-01-10 18:48:12] neki : Are you aware of pending patent application
[2026-01-10 18:48:21] Dario1 : In that case
[2026-01-10 18:48:26] neki : Dario1: yes
[2026-01-10 18:48:30] neki : and yes
[2026-01-10 18:48:32] Dario1 : I should go and buy right away
[2026-01-10 18:48:41] Doktor NONONO : Stealthy
[2026-01-10 18:48:44] neki : no time to type. Spend time buying QRl
[2026-01-10 18:48:47] neki : QRL*
[2026-01-10 18:48:48] Dario1 : neki: where is the best place to get some?
[2026-01-10 18:48:56] neki : Dario1: welll
[2026-01-10 18:49:29] neki : hard to get
[2026-01-10 18:50:16] Dario1 : neki: Thanks I will look around
[2026-01-10 18:50:34] Dario1 : Them involved in it, totally changes the equation for me
[2026-01-10 18:50:55] thankyousomuch : pullmaster was right
[2026-01-10 18:51:11] thankyousomuch : bullrun was just a bulltrap
[2026-01-10 18:52:03] thankyousomuch : he knew taht longers run backwards fast
[2026-01-10 18:52:05] thankyousomuch : lol
[2026-01-10 18:53:11] Doktor NONONO : Oh Superman https://youtu.be/Vkfpi2H8tOE?si=3u5ZPmOqYGmyCQpf
[2026-01-10 18:53:48] thankyousomuch : Backwardsmaster :pepe:
[2026-01-10 18:53:56] neki : Dario1: ironicaly proves the point. Quant math is baseless, case in point. :P no offense meant
[2026-01-10 18:57:07] thankyousomuch : pullrunners
[2026-01-10 18:57:21] Dario1 : neki: none taken, some quants recommended me to hodle QRL but never told me about their involvement
[2026-01-10 18:57:30] Dario1 : I should have listened to them
[2026-01-10 18:58:23] neki : theres time. no rush
[2026-01-10 18:58:34] neki : but inevitable
[2026-01-10 19:00:20] Dario1 : [19:48] neki: no time to type. Spend time buying QRl
[2026-01-10 19:00:22] Doktor NONONO : Laurie Anderson recorded O Superman in her apartment hallway with a $500 grant and hand-pressed only 1000 copies herself. It hit No. 2 in the UK because John Peel played it nonstop. The song’s robotic ha ha ha loop is her voice through a spy-designed Roland VP-330 vocoder, inspired by the 1980 failed US helicopter rescue in the Iran hostage crisis. This 8-minute experimental spoken-word piece became the only top-10 hit ever by a performance artist. Enjoy the weirdness, degens
[2026-01-10 19:00:31] Dario1 : hehe okay so it was a joke 🤣
[2026-01-10 19:00:51] thankyousomuch : bullrun :pepe:
[2026-01-10 19:02:07] Doktor NONONO : Best version of Fever Ray https://youtu.be/5MbZEyHy0iM?si=GhYVwd1VTB8yyebJ
[2026-01-10 19:06:22] Dario1 : neki: I was shilling QRL February last year
[2026-01-10 19:06:23] Doktor NONONO : Nu - Earth. Stealthy. https://youtu.be/oC7o7D_rgOU?si=DG3XBPgs46u4Vhgt
[2026-01-10 19:06:33] Dario1 : [2025-02-27 00:13:53] Dario1 : To brute force ECC (elliptic curve cryptography), it will take billions of years with current classical computers, but quantum computers can use Shor's algorithm and Grover’s algorithm to brute force ECC within hours/days :arthur: https://www.theqrl.org/a-visionary-future-proof-blockchain-with-unparalleled-security/the-qrl-explained.pdf
[2026-01-10 19:06:36] Dario1 : Enhancing the quantum resistancy of bitcoin, even without a hard fork, is just a matter of time. It will probably be initialed by blackrock next year. Nothing to worry about…
[2026-01-10 19:07:01] Dario1 : neki: should have got it back then :pepe:
[2026-01-10 19:12:25] Dario1 : some quantum physics and software engineering knowledge is required to fully understand some of the technical terms in that pdf paper
[2026-01-10 19:13:12] Doktor NONONO : https://youtu.be/6esSUQwO-rM?si=KgL3R4Mx9kMQd15T Incredible music. Only Finest TA. Howling. Ry X
[2026-01-10 19:15:28] Doktor NONONO : Bula Voodoo. Turn Around. Sailor & ! https://youtu.be/I2VwTnsXm8w?si=fZgoxO5Wb306puN4
[2026-01-10 19:16:22] Dario1 : Doktor NONONO: That US helicopter rescue attempt in 1981 in Iran you mentioned, was probably the only time US military failed at kidnapping people. It costed President Carter his second term
[2026-01-10 19:16:48] Doktor NONONO : You can turn around
[2026-01-10 19:17:05] Doktor NONONO : USA is th Phoenix
[2026-01-10 19:17:17] neki : Doktor NONONO: :D
[2026-01-10 19:17:17] Doktor NONONO : And it must be protected at all cost
[2026-01-10 19:17:18] Dario1 : And hostage negotiations of course which Reagan managed to achieve in the end
[2026-01-10 19:17:30] Dario1 : Carter must didn’t know how to do it
[2026-01-10 19:17:53] Dario1 : just*
[2026-01-10 19:17:54] Doktor NONONO : I'm not sur Trump know what he's doing either
[2026-01-10 19:18:08] Dario1 : Trump is playing the madman strategy
[2026-01-10 19:18:25] Dario1 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory
[2026-01-10 19:18:43] Dario1 : can be very effective but it obviously has limits to it