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[2015-12-06 17:39:09] sleger : 8:45am
[2015-12-06 17:48:57] rapidtrades : so we had a $20 retracement, that's healthy imo
[2015-12-06 17:49:28] rapidtrades : means it's less likely we'll get a $30-$50 crash like the previous 2 times
[2015-12-06 17:51:33] rapidtrades : bitfinex sent 78% long, so it's shaken out some longs
[2015-12-06 17:52:33] rapidtrades : also we have one shortie here, that's more then we had last time
[2015-12-06 17:55:34] rapidtrades : top 3 okc holders increased contracts...likely longs
[2015-12-06 17:56:17] irbbqu : Think it updates every 8hr or so, so not really reliable.
[2015-12-06 17:57:06] rapidtrades : whalecalls tweeted out 26 mins ago...so idk
[2015-12-06 17:58:12] sleger : you dont know much it seems
[2015-12-06 17:59:16] rapidtrades : whatever u say homophobe...
[2015-12-06 17:59:40] sleger : lol
[2015-12-06 18:12:18] podizzler3k : huobi seems to have run out of funds
[2015-12-06 18:12:21] podizzler3k : i think this party is about over
[2015-12-06 18:12:31] podizzler3k : i'll give them a few more hours
[2015-12-06 18:12:59] rapidtrades : it's not over until the last shortie switches
[2015-12-06 18:16:30] sleger : who's that ?
[2015-12-06 18:17:21] rapidtrades : sleger: YOU
[2015-12-06 18:17:31] sleger : I am long between 400 and 500btc
[2015-12-06 18:17:43] rapidtrades : well...we're f*cked
[2015-12-06 18:17:45] sleger : since 300 in price
[2015-12-06 18:18:14] sleger : you certainly are
[2015-12-06 18:18:40] habibi : sleger: finex/okc futures?
[2015-12-06 18:19:18] sleger : depends, positions change, but overall i meant i have been long for a couple of months now
[2015-12-06 18:19:38] podizzler3k : bitcoin more like zombiecoin atm
[2015-12-06 18:19:41] podizzler3k : someone put it down
[2015-12-06 18:19:59] rapidtrades : he's BSing...he doesn't even know the correct amount? oh I'm long between 400 and 500 freaking BTC
[2015-12-06 18:20:29] rapidtrades : yday he said short..so either way...liar one time, liar forever
[2015-12-06 18:20:31] sleger : because it varies constantly, but i'm trying to keep it within that range
[2015-12-06 18:20:48] sleger : Yesterday I said that I was short here, which was true, and still is.
[2015-12-06 18:20:57] sleger : XBTZ15 -75205
[2015-12-06 18:21:05] sleger : XBTH16 -28810
[2015-12-06 18:21:11] sleger : XBT7D -24600
[2015-12-06 18:21:42] podizzler3k : shorting here isnt very smart
[2015-12-06 18:21:44] rapidtrades : that's a rly shitty way to community....he bro ur short or long? oh short
[2015-12-06 18:21:54] podizzler3k : quanto futures contracts give you a very limited range for profit
[2015-12-06 18:22:06] rapidtrades : podizzler3k: hush u
[2015-12-06 18:22:13] sleger : podizzler3k: that is true in the examples that you read yes.
[2015-12-06 18:22:20] rapidtrades : we need the two-sided liquidity
[2015-12-06 18:22:54] podizzler3k : i guess if you set your target correctly. personally i wouldnt even know
[2015-12-06 18:22:59] sleger : podizzler3k: i hope you understand that minus exchange fees this is a zero sum game right ?
[2015-12-06 18:23:27] podizzler3k : i wouldnt say that necessarily
[2015-12-06 18:23:27] sleger : so longers gains/losses are shorters losses/gains
[2015-12-06 18:23:34] podizzler3k : theres coins being mined and new money coming in
[2015-12-06 18:23:39] sleger : "podizzler3k: i wouldnt say that necessarily" lol
[2015-12-06 18:23:49] sleger : i am talking about here on bitmex of course, duh
[2015-12-06 18:24:01] podizzler3k : yes on bitmex
[2015-12-06 18:24:09] sleger : well so why shorting would be a bad idea
[2015-12-06 18:24:13] podizzler3k : but bitmex trades in bitcoin
[2015-12-06 18:24:29] rapidtrades : cos u can't math bro...pull up that calc @sleger
[2015-12-06 18:24:34] sleger : it's a zero sum game, there cant be a bias in one side vs another
[2015-12-06 18:24:44] podizzler3k : if things get out of balance then money will come in from othe rexchanges to balance it
[2015-12-06 18:24:56] sleger : rapidtrades: i'm not talking to you you were still trying to understand the basics a few days ago, go back to school
[2015-12-06 18:25:11] rapidtrades : ok then, keep doing what ur doing
[2015-12-06 18:25:32] sleger : I wouldn't stop because of whatever you would say lol
[2015-12-06 18:25:46] justinlooking : bloody hell sleger ur half the open interest here :P
[2015-12-06 18:26:06] sleger : i used to be even more but scaled down here as i realized it was too much
[2015-12-06 18:26:56] podizzler3k : still you have to admit shorting bitcoin using bitcoin doesnt make sense
[2015-12-06 18:27:12] sleger : i would disagree with that statement
[2015-12-06 18:27:18] rapidtrades : lol
[2015-12-06 18:27:57] sleger : it does not matter, this is just collateral, then pnl is realized in some currency, but you can also hedge that, so either way if you do not open a trade and forget about it you can realize pnl in either currency you want, btc or usd
[2015-12-06 18:28:18] sleger : maybe one day rapidtrades may figure that out
[2015-12-06 18:28:22] TschavaTschigger : justinlooking: btw, are you using okc.cn too?
[2015-12-06 18:28:39] sleger : TschavaTschigger: you're talking about spot cny ?
[2015-12-06 18:29:58] justinlooking : TschavaTschigger: i have until a few months ago, now .com only
[2015-12-06 18:30:10] TschavaTschigger : sleger: yes
[2015-12-06 18:30:55] rapidtrades : GUYS I JUST WENT LONG BETWEEN 1000 AND 2000 BTC
[2015-12-06 18:31:02] sleger : TschavaTschigger: why would a non bot person want to trade spot cny ? (genuine question) There is no leverage, too many bots etc
[2015-12-06 18:31:16] sleger : rapidtrades: you also went caps lock for no reason
[2015-12-06 18:31:19] rapidtrades : sleger: no fees
[2015-12-06 18:31:23] justinlooking : he's a bot person sleger :)
[2015-12-06 18:31:25] rapidtrades : that's why
[2015-12-06 18:31:34] TschavaTschigger : sleger: never asked if you trade it, just asking if you use it
[2015-12-06 18:32:01] sleger : i use it, my bots trade it, i would not trade it manually, even for the zero fees
[2015-12-06 18:32:28] TschavaTschigger : sleger: have you been having connection issues with websocket on .cn domain last 48 hours?
[2015-12-06 18:32:42] sleger : i do not use websocket on .cn
[2015-12-06 18:32:51] sleger : tbh i didnt even know they added it
[2015-12-06 18:33:50] sleger : but okcoin connections are notoriously poor
[2015-12-06 18:34:04] TschavaTschigger : they have it, and last 2 days it just randomly disconnects, even from my chinese server that has like 500µs ping
[2015-12-06 18:34:31] rapidtrades : MADE IN CHINA @TschavaTschigger
[2015-12-06 18:34:37] laisee : ha. usually just b4 a pump or dump operation
[2015-12-06 18:34:52] habibi : TschavaTschigger: maybe they cuts off servers to prevent ddos or sth, huobi had in past some kind of white list of ips in case of ddos
[2015-12-06 18:34:57] TschavaTschigger : .com works 100% fine from central europe all the way to hongkong... either they are using a different websocket implementation or.. i dunno
[2015-12-06 18:35:23] habibi : huobi
[2015-12-06 18:35:24] habibi : lel
[2015-12-06 18:35:31] rapidtrades : they don't have to go through the firewall ?
[2015-12-06 18:35:43] laisee : its not in China ...
[2015-12-06 18:35:57] rapidtrades : yeah that was my point
[2015-12-06 18:36:12] TschavaTschigger : hongkong is not in Chinese firewall... but it's not the firewall because my server is in same data centre as okc.cn and it still has problems
[2015-12-06 18:36:25] rapidtrades : TschavaTschigger: well shit
[2015-12-06 18:36:32] rapidtrades : i smell BS
[2015-12-06 18:37:30] justinlooking : TschavaTschigger: i've definitely noticed issues with cryptowat.ch and bitcoinwisdom feeds. from .cn. The charts are freezing randomly and independently of each other...
[2015-12-06 18:38:21] BitMEX_Sam : They're notorious for these disconnects
[2015-12-06 18:38:38] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: it's just .cn though, com is rockstable
[2015-12-06 18:38:55] sleger : i have disconnects sometimes with the .com
[2015-12-06 18:39:02] BitMEX_Sam : Of course, if they're doing software updates it would be expected - it's difficult to keep a WS conn alive, even through a rolling deploy
[2015-12-06 18:39:10] sleger : where do you connect from to the .com ?
[2015-12-06 18:39:13] rapidtrades : sleger: are u sure? u don't even know how many contarcts ur long
[2015-12-06 18:39:21] rapidtrades : maybe u just blanked out?
[2015-12-06 18:39:44] TschavaTschigger : sleger: .com is Hongkong, .cn is Hangzhou
[2015-12-06 18:39:59] sleger : TschavaTschigger: thanks
[2015-12-06 18:40:09] sleger : which colo do you use for hk ?
[2015-12-06 18:40:29] rapidtrades : I use 400-500btc.com
[2015-12-06 18:40:47] justinlooking : BitMEX_Sam: can u implement a /ignore for this clown plz
[2015-12-06 18:40:51] TschavaTschigger : sleger: i don't use any for HK, HK is outside of chinese firewall, I connect from central europe and it's stable
[2015-12-06 18:41:43] sleger : TschavaTschigger: ok, thanks
[2015-12-06 18:41:56] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: +1 for ignore rapidtrapes
[2015-12-06 18:42:07] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, that's a feature on the roadmap
[2015-12-06 18:42:31] TschavaTschigger : my guess is that websocket at .cn servers are just hopelessly overloaded, that's the only reason I can think of why .com is stable and .cn is not.. oh +1 btw for ignore
[2015-12-06 18:42:44] justinlooking : sleger: highly recommend rackspace, get 2ms approx
[2015-12-06 18:43:02] sleger : justinlooking: thanks!
[2015-12-06 18:45:06] rapidtrades : what do u mean +1 for ignore...this ahole always respond to ME, not the other way around...check archive....f trolls
[2015-12-06 18:45:19] rapidtrades : gonna ignore half or u once that feature goes live
[2015-12-06 18:48:22] podizzler3k : on irc i can make a quick script to ignore
[2015-12-06 18:48:49] podizzler3k : although what fun is a chat without a villian
[2015-12-06 18:49:12] justinlooking : i like him normally.... he just seems to have a bit too much sugar today
[2015-12-06 18:49:23] laisee : or 2, or 3 ...
[2015-12-06 18:54:25] podizzler3k : 7d premium fading away
[2015-12-06 18:54:29] podizzler3k : people seeing the writing on the wall
[2015-12-06 19:06:07] podizzler3k : cancel those sells just in time ;)
[2015-12-06 19:06:31] justinlooking : u very brave bear
[2015-12-06 19:06:41] TschavaTschigger : just curious, but anybody using neural networks for bitcoin? :D
[2015-12-06 19:07:13] podizzler3k : how would it apply. make trades using varying strategies and adapt based on most profitable?
[2015-12-06 19:07:58] TschavaTschigger : podizzler3k: train a recurrent neural network based on past time series to predict prices
[2015-12-06 19:08:58] podizzler3k : i thought neural networks worked by trying all possibilites with and eliminating ones that dont work
[2015-12-06 19:09:20] podizzler3k : the narrowing bullseye
[2015-12-06 19:09:20] TschavaTschigger : podizzler3k: that are genetic algorithms as far as I know
[2015-12-06 19:09:44] laisee : pod> yep, thats genetic algorithms
[2015-12-06 19:09:50] podizzler3k : ah
[2015-12-06 19:10:41] podizzler3k : ill tell you what i dont look forward to is advertising that uses neural networks
[2015-12-06 19:11:15] laisee : outside of renaissance technologies I don't know anyone that made nueral networks to be profitable for long term.
[2015-12-06 19:12:04] podizzler3k : i imagine a lot of interesting music and art will come of neural networks
[2015-12-06 19:12:17] podizzler3k : those google dreams are already pretty cool
[2015-12-06 19:12:27] podizzler3k : looks like huobi is waking up
[2015-12-06 19:12:38] TschavaTschigger : laisee: in forex or stock markets it's harder since markets are very efficient there and based on external factors. bitcoin market on the other hand is ineffecient and only driven by supply and demand
[2015-12-06 19:13:05] TschavaTschigger : so my thought is that neural networks would work pretty well there... but since I don't have cs background, too hard to implement for me
[2015-12-06 19:13:45] laisee : TschavaTschigger: > check out HTM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchical_temporal_memory
[2015-12-06 19:14:07] laisee : it's not too hard to follow and there is a framework you can use.
[2015-12-06 19:17:33] TschavaTschigger : laisee: nice, seems very similar to neural networks with multiple layers. well the hard part about that stuff is not just the implementation (many libraries available), but you need lot of hands-on-time for training and tweaking parameters.. otherwise results will be rather disappointing
[2015-12-06 19:18:35] laisee : true. takes some effort.
[2015-12-06 19:19:04] TschavaTschigger : besides I don't have time for that. should work on my master thesis. which also uses machine learning ironically lol.
[2015-12-06 19:19:21] laisee : ah, so you know all about this stuff ...
[2015-12-06 19:20:34] laisee : well, in case you want to play around, http://numenta.org has open source code & examples.
[2015-12-06 19:20:36] TschavaTschigger : nope, for my thesis I just use a lib, put my stuff in hope for the best. since it's a very easy to use library that doesn't apply to time-series, I can't use my knowledge for trading
[2015-12-06 19:22:52] TschavaTschigger : thanks, bookmarked all the stuff. don't think I will find time actually trying it though
[2015-12-06 19:27:34] laisee : k. well there if you get bored, or interested.
[2015-12-06 19:41:07] TschavaTschigger : out of last 30k volume, i was involved in 20k I think :D
[2015-12-06 19:41:24] habibi : scalping hard
[2015-12-06 19:41:34] habibi : or panicking hard :D
[2015-12-06 19:41:54] justinlooking : MMing like a boss
[2015-12-06 19:48:53] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: hey sam is there any quick way to see my traded volume or my fees paid of the last 24 hours (or of current trade session)? I mean I could click through the pages and download the csvs, but that's a bit inconvenient
[2015-12-06 19:49:28] habibi : i bet i am paying more fees some sesions than rapidtrades earns/losts :D
[2015-12-06 19:50:07] habibi : so TschavaTschigger or sleger even more
[2015-12-06 20:45:12] rapidtrades : sam will ''FILLED'' notifications show up in other tabs if I have them blocked in my browser?
[2015-12-06 20:45:36] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: YOU
[2015-12-06 20:48:48] podizzler3k : thats funny rapidtrades is working on his master thesis too
[2015-12-06 20:49:42] rapidtrades : I was trying to test it with 1 contract but u keep bidding this price up lol
[2015-12-06 20:50:06] podizzler3k : incoming spam from kingscrown in 3......2..........
[2015-12-06 20:51:10] habibi : https://twitter.com/kingscrownBTC/status/672598100213673985
[2015-12-06 20:51:14] habibi : LoL
[2015-12-06 20:51:45] rapidtrades : what does he mean fees -10%
[2015-12-06 20:51:47] podizzler3k : kingscrown buy some shitty alt and withdraw that to poloniex
[2015-12-06 20:51:56] podizzler3k : thats what i did
[2015-12-06 20:52:10] podizzler3k : vertcoin works
[2015-12-06 20:52:18] rapidtrades : god dam that place is shity
[2015-12-06 20:52:27] podizzler3k : -10% fees wow
[2015-12-06 20:52:29] podizzler3k : what a deal
[2015-12-06 20:52:41] rapidtrades : what is he talking about
[2015-12-06 20:52:43] podizzler3k : im signing up under his referal just for that
[2015-12-06 20:52:56] rapidtrades : oh
[2015-12-06 20:53:19] podizzler3k : you mean what is his ass talking about?
[2015-12-06 20:53:25] podizzler3k : because thats what he's talking out of
[2015-12-06 20:53:31] podizzler3k : i like how he threw in the #forex tag
[2015-12-06 20:53:44] rapidtrades : loool
[2015-12-06 20:54:13] rapidtrades : nice ctach, i missed tgat
[2015-12-06 20:54:32] podizzler3k : actually i guess you do get -10% fees for 6 months if you use a referal
[2015-12-06 20:54:41] habibi : now its life time i think
[2015-12-06 20:54:47] rapidtrades : how can I check that tho
[2015-12-06 20:54:53] habibi : ah no, only ref commision is lifetime
[2015-12-06 20:54:58] rapidtrades : I used a ref
[2015-12-06 20:55:02] podizzler3k : so instead of .075 for taker it would be .0675
[2015-12-06 20:55:40] habibi : still high compared to old ones
[2015-12-06 20:55:55] podizzler3k : yep but maker is negative fees
[2015-12-06 20:56:02] podizzler3k : it evens out
[2015-12-06 20:56:45] rapidtrades : it may never even out if ur trading style needs market execution
[2015-12-06 20:56:54] rapidtrades : but I guess then u wouldn't be here
[2015-12-06 21:01:07] rapidtrades : this rally has all the hallmarks of a pump and dump, same as the last one
[2015-12-06 21:01:31] rapidtrades : no news, small retracements, frenzied buying
[2015-12-06 21:01:36] podizzler3k : yep
[2015-12-06 21:01:45] podizzler3k : only question is will it make a higher floor than last time
[2015-12-06 21:01:47] SnackyCoins : http://portfoliolive.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/bubble-phases-1024x686.jpg
[2015-12-06 21:01:53] podizzler3k : in which case staying long is smart
[2015-12-06 21:02:08] rapidtrades : yeah I think at best, it will double top around $500
[2015-12-06 21:02:38] rapidtrades : prolly not though, that's best case imo
[2015-12-06 21:03:59] SnackyCoins : http://www.deerfriendly.com/_/rsrc/1399752273182/decline-of-deer-populations/Figure%203.jpg its a natural shape not even specific to markets
[2015-12-06 21:04:06] SnackyCoins : thats why all markets do it
[2015-12-06 21:04:22] SnackyCoins : deer population chart = bitcoin bubble = every bubble
[2015-12-06 21:04:44] SnackyCoins : its the natural order of things
[2015-12-06 21:05:20] rapidtrades : I disagree, the speed of the crash $500>$300 showed that it was likely manipulated
[2015-12-06 21:06:03] SnackyCoins : you're also the worst trader in the room
[2015-12-06 21:06:24] rapidtrades : really
[2015-12-06 21:06:39] SnackyCoins : unless you secretly trade the opposite of what you say, yeah
[2015-12-06 21:07:10] rapidtrades : opposite of what? I didn't say we wont go up
[2015-12-06 21:07:43] rapidtrades : yeah I trade whatever the charts tell me, my opinion is irrelevant at this point
[2015-12-06 21:07:54] rapidtrades : I'm just musing
[2015-12-06 21:08:28] podizzler3k : i always find it interesting when something goes into a bubble what the 'reason' will be for the bubble to pop
[2015-12-06 21:08:35] podizzler3k : it always seems like a real reason
[2015-12-06 21:08:40] podizzler3k : fascinating
[2015-12-06 21:08:49] SnackyCoins : sense always makes
[2015-12-06 21:09:02] podizzler3k : like the universe sniffs out the bubble and and pops it with some event or circumstance
[2015-12-06 21:09:20] SnackyCoins : thats why "what news" is a joke
[2015-12-06 21:09:48] SnackyCoins : price moves, reason is needed, oh this news looks like it could be, in lack of a better explanation we will assume this is the reason
[2015-12-06 21:09:58] SnackyCoins : no news? must be manipulation
[2015-12-06 21:11:29] SnackyCoins : why is it so impossible the reason we go up was "we exhausted the sellers" 8)
[2015-12-06 21:13:49] rapidtrades : because instruments that rally 100% on no news are usually pumps..with dumps to follow
[2015-12-06 21:14:12] rapidtrades : 1,2,5 or even 10% I can understand as a natural ebb and flow of the market
[2015-12-06 21:14:32] SnackyCoins : protip: all pumps have dumps to follow
[2015-12-06 21:15:08] SnackyCoins : and it's more like 50-76%
[2015-12-06 21:15:21] SnackyCoins : thats why we have those fibonacci levels
[2015-12-06 21:15:25] rapidtrades : it was 100, from 250 to 504
[2015-12-06 21:15:39] SnackyCoins : yeah bitcoin is home to the 100% retracement
[2015-12-06 21:15:46] SnackyCoins : we do it every day lol
[2015-12-06 21:15:55] rapidtrades : I meant the rally
[2015-12-06 21:15:58] SnackyCoins : some days we do it on much larger timeframes 8)
[2015-12-06 21:19:59] rapidtrades : 22:13 - rapidtrades: because instruments that rally 100% on no news
[2015-12-06 21:31:31] rapidtrades : super thin orderbooks
[2015-12-06 21:56:17] habibi : yep, idea of great mm with 0.4 usd spread with rebate fees has fallen down
[2015-12-06 21:57:09] podizzler3k : oh you think its going up? nahhhhhhhhh just up to 2645 and back down to 2610
[2015-12-06 21:57:14] podizzler3k : womp wahhhhh
[2015-12-06 21:57:27] wurstgelee : haha
[2015-12-06 21:57:52] rapidtrades : noone is selling
[2015-12-06 21:57:55] rapidtrades : ffs
[2015-12-06 21:58:03] rapidtrades : HIT MY BIDS HOES
[2015-12-06 21:58:32] wurstgelee : put up real bids, nt chump change
[2015-12-06 21:58:36] wurstgelee : *not
[2015-12-06 22:00:25] micmix : 6k MM with .40-.50 spread will be back, most likely on Monday
[2015-12-06 22:00:39] podizzler3k : cool
[2015-12-06 22:00:48] podizzler3k : for now we have 8 contracts to dump into
[2015-12-06 22:00:48] rapidtrades : micmix: u wont be missed
[2015-12-06 22:00:53] podizzler3k : ballllllin
[2015-12-06 22:01:08] podizzler3k : haha now its 4 contracts
[2015-12-06 22:01:15] podizzler3k : hit those bids b1tches
[2015-12-06 22:01:18] wurstgelee : 7d'?
[2015-12-06 22:01:21] podizzler3k : yea
[2015-12-06 22:01:27] wurstgelee : hehe
[2015-12-06 22:01:37] micmix : 6k MM is not me, it's just observation on how it usually works
[2015-12-06 22:02:21] TschavaTschigger : "me"? you mean "us" :D
[2015-12-06 22:02:58] habibi : micmix: lately spreads get into 1$
[2015-12-06 22:02:59] micmix : I said I'm not going to use "us" anymore and scare ppl :-)
[2015-12-06 22:03:01] rapidtrades : can't get bids filled and spread too high...missed it
[2015-12-06 22:03:15] rapidtrades : still have earlier stuff on but can't add
[2015-12-06 22:03:23] podizzler3k : whatd you miss the price isnt moving
[2015-12-06 22:03:36] rapidtrades : u'll see in 15 mins
[2015-12-06 22:03:41] rapidtrades : or 5 lol
[2015-12-06 22:03:49] TschavaTschigger : micmix: please use it, it always puts a smile on my face :-)
[2015-12-06 22:03:51] podizzler3k : giant dump you were trying to go long for?
[2015-12-06 22:04:02] wurstgelee : needs to get past 2660 and stay there
[2015-12-06 22:04:12] micmix : yeah, 6k MM uses volatility spread adjustments, so spread increases when we go up/down quickly
[2015-12-06 22:15:02] rapidtrades : hey what's a $1.8 spread among freinds?
[2015-12-06 22:17:27] rapidtrades : let's do this gentlemen
[2015-12-06 22:22:34] zanza : can anyone view this ? https://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort.php
[2015-12-06 22:22:58] TschavaTschigger : zanza: nope
[2015-12-06 22:25:28] rapidtrades : zanza: got any targets for us?
[2015-12-06 22:43:39] zanza : rapidtrades: no, i am hodling for now
[2015-12-06 22:43:47] zanza : hopign for 500+
[2015-12-06 22:45:07] micmix : I'm going to yell 'abandon ship' again tonight before the drop :-)
[2015-12-06 22:46:35] zanza : im gunna follow the bfx short data
[2015-12-06 22:46:38] zanza : when others are long, ill be long
[2015-12-06 22:47:11] habibi : bad indicator imho
[2015-12-06 22:47:27] habibi : even reversed rapidtrades is much better
[2015-12-06 22:51:18] TschavaTschigger : just looked at my trading history, have 94k volume since 12:00 UTC
[2015-12-06 22:51:21] TschavaTschigger : thought it was more
[2015-12-06 22:52:32] micmix : TschavaTschigger: 94k contracts?
[2015-12-06 22:52:44] TschavaTschigger : micmix: yes
[2015-12-06 22:53:15] zanza : TschavaTschigger: you MM ?
[2015-12-06 22:53:39] TschavaTschigger : zanza: yes, just in extreme situations I take
[2015-12-06 22:53:56] zanza : 383 BTC
[2015-12-06 22:54:03] zanza : what is your income from that?
[2015-12-06 22:54:09] zanza : from - fee
[2015-12-06 22:54:34] zanza : .1 btc, about 39$
[2015-12-06 22:54:38] micmix : yeah, that's about 380 coins, not much
[2015-12-06 22:55:04] TschavaTschigger : haven't traded for like 3 hours though cause needed to take my bot offline to fix something
[2015-12-06 22:56:43] TschavaTschigger : anybody know the exact "session" intervals on bitmex? with "session" i am referring to "session volume" as in here https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBT24H
[2015-12-06 22:57:21] TschavaTschigger : in can remotely remember someone saying 8 hours
[2015-12-06 22:57:35] micmix : ah, ok. my small test MM is at 1/4 of that
[2015-12-06 22:57:44] micmix : 8 hour sessions from 0 UTC
[2015-12-06 22:58:03] TschavaTschigger : 0 utc? not 12 utc?
[2015-12-06 22:58:09] habibi : TschavaTschigger: where u checked total contracts traded?
[2015-12-06 22:58:30] TschavaTschigger : habibi: trading history, then download csv
[2015-12-06 23:14:20] habibi : is there way to download whole trade history? not page by page?
[2015-12-06 23:14:24] micmix : TschavaTschigger: sorry, 12 UTC
[2015-12-06 23:15:13] micmix : 8-hour sessions start from 24H settlement time
[2015-12-06 23:16:26] micmix : TschavaTschigger: the instrument table shows session turnover, good way to check what % of total your bot did
[2015-12-06 23:27:29] zanza : wow that fake out
[2015-12-06 23:27:50] habibi : over reacting zanza :p
[2015-12-06 23:32:13] TschavaTschigger : micmix: yeah, thanks
[2015-12-06 23:32:27] TschavaTschigger : going to bed guys, happy trading, cya tomorrow
[2015-12-06 23:54:38] smagin07 : back for some carnage!
[2015-12-06 23:57:03] thebigmac : dump time ;)
[2015-12-06 23:58:10] micmix : don't see much dip buying here
[2015-12-07 00:28:36] justinlooking : is it over?
[2015-12-07 00:28:53] habibi : lets wait and see
[2015-12-07 00:28:55] habibi : but probally no
[2015-12-07 00:29:06] habibi : rapidtrades: love ur long call <3
[2015-12-07 00:29:15] justinlooking : surely he didn't
[2015-12-07 00:29:30] habibi : he was bullish i think?
[2015-12-07 00:38:52] micmix : some nice margin calls on okc, 3k contracts on weekly and 2k on quarterly
[2015-12-07 00:39:16] habibi : shaking out people from shorts and again down?
[2015-12-07 00:39:51] micmix : shaking out longs now
[2015-12-07 00:40:04] podizzler3k : wow my buy order was the very top
[2015-12-07 00:40:07] podizzler3k : fuck
[2015-12-07 00:40:14] podizzler3k : only filled 10% tho
[2015-12-07 00:43:27] micmix : not much change in longs vs. shorts on okc though, from 48% longs to 44% longs
[2015-12-07 00:44:00] habibi : where u checks total sentiment?
[2015-12-07 00:44:12] habibi : or u talking about top traders?
[2015-12-07 00:45:05] micmix : top trader sentiment index
[2015-12-07 00:45:10] habibi : yep
[2015-12-07 00:46:27] micmix : the problem with top trader sentiment is that some of them are MMs that will always have the opposite position
[2015-12-07 00:46:59] micmix : okc top sentiment doesn't get skewed that much to one side
[2015-12-07 00:47:16] habibi : btw why sum up of both sides is not 100%?
[2015-12-07 00:47:47] micmix : finex long vs shorts gets to like 75% longs
[2015-12-07 00:48:13] habibi : finex is almost always above 65% on longs
[2015-12-07 00:48:15] micmix : it's not position size
[2015-12-07 00:49:52] micmix : total sum of all positions is zero, but you will have different number of traders who are short vs long
[2015-12-07 00:50:09] habibi : ok, thanks for explanation
[2015-12-07 00:50:20] micmix : like 5 big short positions and 20 smaller longs
[2015-12-07 00:54:09] habibi : only 67k contracts on 24h
[2015-12-07 00:54:16] habibi : were any liquidations during dump?
[2015-12-07 00:54:50] micmix : I don't think so but I wasn't paying close attention
[2015-12-07 00:55:48] habibi : i am not sure but it was about 130k during day
[2015-12-07 01:11:10] podizzler3k : check whalecalls
[2015-12-07 01:11:18] podizzler3k : nice bullish reversal atm
[2015-12-07 01:11:31] habibi : bullshit calls rather...
[2015-12-07 01:12:17] habibi : ok, sorry.Satoshimoku has good charts
[2015-12-07 01:15:40] podizzler3k : last trade 393, mark price 397, settlement 390
[2015-12-07 01:15:46] podizzler3k : pick a number any number
[2015-12-07 01:17:05] sleger : 899,809,343
[2015-12-07 01:17:51] BitMEX_Sam : Seems legit
[2015-12-07 01:18:24] habibi : mark price is 393/2
[2015-12-07 01:18:24] sleger : it's not any random number actually
[2015-12-07 01:20:21] sleger : habibi: you know that 393/2 = 196.5 ?
[2015-12-07 01:20:31] habibi : 393/392
[2015-12-07 01:20:47] habibi : but well done, good maths
[2015-12-07 01:21:12] sleger : hey we cant all be rapidtrades / slowmaths
[2015-12-07 01:23:27] habibi : true, rapidtrades u there?
[2015-12-07 01:29:33] podizzler3k : 2600 back in action
[2015-12-07 01:29:40] podizzler3k : and so is my profit
[2015-12-07 01:29:58] habibi : u are on okc?
[2015-12-07 01:30:03] podizzler3k : who me?
[2015-12-07 01:30:19] podizzler3k : no i just watch huobi and okcoin because they are the market makers
[2015-12-07 01:30:34] sleger : no, rapidtrades went back to first grade maths for teenagers class
[2015-12-07 01:30:54] podizzler3k : finex laggin pretty hard
[2015-12-07 01:30:58] sleger : podizzler3k: you mean market leaders ?
[2015-12-07 01:31:06] podizzler3k : sure
[2015-12-07 01:31:08] habibi : podizzler3k: try to use beta
[2015-12-07 01:31:20] laisee : finex leads sometimes
[2015-12-07 01:31:27] podizzler3k : sure they do
[2015-12-07 01:31:32] podizzler3k : maybe in 2014
[2015-12-07 01:31:38] habibi : +1
[2015-12-07 01:31:39] podizzler3k : or earlier this year
[2015-12-07 01:31:40] habibi : podizzler3k: :)
[2015-12-07 01:31:40] sleger : podizzler3k: cause market makers means something else
[2015-12-07 01:31:50] podizzler3k : sleger ok i stand corrected
[2015-12-07 01:32:00] sleger : np
[2015-12-07 01:32:05] podizzler3k : at least i didnt say im arbitraging at tradeblock
[2015-12-07 01:32:21] sleger : who said that ?
[2015-12-07 01:32:27] podizzler3k : your best friend
[2015-12-07 01:32:29] podizzler3k : RT
[2015-12-07 01:32:31] sleger : no let me guess ? rapid trades / slow maths ?
[2015-12-07 01:32:52] sleger : this guy is the funniest retard person I know :)))
[2015-12-07 01:33:14] laisee : pod> shhh. don't let bitmex know about that arb function @ tradeblock.
[2015-12-07 01:33:19] podizzler3k : market maker would be someone who trades at small spread?
[2015-12-07 01:33:25] podizzler3k : like the bots here
[2015-12-07 01:33:40] sleger : podizzler3k: it is someone who provides liquidity to the market, usually by putting both bid and ask prices
[2015-12-07 01:33:59] sleger : and yes. it is usually bots
[2015-12-07 01:34:02] podizzler3k : k
[2015-12-07 01:34:22] laisee : mm = 2-way continuous quotes (trader speak)
[2015-12-07 01:35:13] sleger : it doesnt have to be 2-way continuous, hence my saying "usually"
[2015-12-07 01:35:38] laisee : sure, depending in market regs etc.
[2015-12-07 01:35:48] sleger : no market makers can absorb infinite hitting on one side, so after getting hit too much on one side, they might pull it until getting filled on the other.
[2015-12-07 01:36:14] laisee : yep, or widen their spread.
[2015-12-07 01:36:47] sleger : yes... I buy btcusd at 394 and sell at 15000 is kind of a one way price ;)
[2015-12-07 01:37:27] laisee : or just not answer your phone, in days b4 electronic dealing
[2015-12-07 02:30:01] zanza : 2600 new support
[2015-12-07 02:32:38] rapidtrades : ??? we are already below
[2015-12-07 03:09:42] rapidtrades : prepare ur jetpacks gentlemen!
[2015-12-07 03:27:07] habibi : prepare for get rekt once again!
[2015-12-07 03:45:58] rapidtrades : bots are back
[2015-12-07 03:59:07] podizzler3k : WAHOO BOTS
[2015-12-07 03:59:18] podizzler3k : cum 2 butthead
[2015-12-07 04:01:08] habibi : micmix: what u think ?
[2015-12-07 04:08:34] rapidtrades : he thinks it's good his bot fix works
[2015-12-07 04:08:48] rapidtrades : he's drinking a nightcap before going to bed
[2015-12-07 04:14:06] podizzler3k : big ass buy wall appearin on huobit
[2015-12-07 04:14:11] podizzler3k : 1000+btc chillin at 2600
[2015-12-07 04:14:31] podizzler3k : whats the purpose to pump or more likely to hold up temporarily
[2015-12-07 04:14:43] podizzler3k : or maybe get filled before pump
[2015-12-07 04:14:59] podizzler3k : probably to get some orders above 2600 filled then pull it
[2015-12-07 04:15:02] rapidtrades : BULLISH
[2015-12-07 04:15:31] podizzler3k : its reassuring for bulls knowing there is still 3M CNY on exchange that can go to market yea
[2015-12-07 04:15:41] rapidtrades : FOR SHO
[2015-12-07 04:17:25] rapidtrades : podizzler3k: u long or waiting
[2015-12-07 04:17:44] podizzler3k : im always some degree of long. right now 2.81x
[2015-12-07 04:18:03] podizzler3k : well not always but since september
[2015-12-07 04:18:17] rapidtrades : PERMABULL DETECTED
[2015-12-07 04:18:32] podizzler3k : its a little more complex than that
[2015-12-07 04:18:38] podizzler3k : i have cash free'd up to buy the dips
[2015-12-07 04:18:42] podizzler3k : so im not 100% long atm
[2015-12-07 04:19:00] rapidtrades : WHAT'S UR BREAK POINT
[2015-12-07 04:19:23] rapidtrades : stop loss
[2015-12-07 04:19:28] rapidtrades : getting out point
[2015-12-07 04:20:23] podizzler3k : when would i go from permabull to permabear? around $230
[2015-12-07 04:20:32] rapidtrades : wow
[2015-12-07 04:20:40] rapidtrades : so there's no middle ground huh
[2015-12-07 04:20:49] podizzler3k : theres tons of middle ground
[2015-12-07 04:20:53] podizzler3k : thats why i said its more complex than that
[2015-12-07 04:20:58] podizzler3k : but i put it in terms you would understand
[2015-12-07 04:21:07] rapidtrades : get f*cked
[2015-12-07 04:21:20] podizzler3k : sounds like a party
[2015-12-07 04:21:30] podizzler3k : you bring the hookers ill bring the blow
[2015-12-07 04:21:40] rapidtrades : :)
[2015-12-07 04:22:22] rapidtrades : that drop was $22
[2015-12-07 04:22:33] rapidtrades : pretty sizeable
[2015-12-07 04:23:03] rapidtrades : shook out more weak hands
[2015-12-07 04:23:54] podizzler3k : yeah im getting more bullish by the second
[2015-12-07 04:24:07] podizzler3k : btc looking undumpable atm
[2015-12-07 04:24:13] rapidtrades : dum dum dum
[2015-12-07 04:24:20] brucegoose : haha...
[2015-12-07 04:24:39] podizzler3k : 3 decent attempts since 2600 and its bounced back all 3 times
[2015-12-07 04:24:57] podizzler3k : brucegoose says you aint seen a real dump yet
[2015-12-07 04:25:15] podizzler3k : when brucegoose dumps $22 gonna look like a day at the spa
[2015-12-07 04:26:57] podizzler3k : brucegoose dumping
[2015-12-07 04:26:59] podizzler3k : here we go
[2015-12-07 04:31:46] rapidtrades : mm bots very jittery today
[2015-12-07 04:31:58] rapidtrades : smone is holding a big bag of longs :)
[2015-12-07 04:36:08] podizzler3k : might as well
[2015-12-07 04:36:28] podizzler3k : havent had a good chance to go long since november 2013
[2015-12-07 04:37:09] podizzler3k : 22 months of blood
[2015-12-07 04:37:21] podizzler3k : and then finally a glimmer of hope, and here we are
[2015-12-07 04:37:39] brucegoose : just before I dump all over you
[2015-12-07 04:37:46] brucegoose : look out below
[2015-12-07 04:38:03] podizzler3k : hahaha are you dumping out your 20 story window or something?
[2015-12-07 04:38:08] podizzler3k : gross dude
[2015-12-07 04:38:22] rapidtrades : close ur shorts b4 u go plz
[2015-12-07 04:40:24] podizzler3k : you definitely want open shorts before you dump
[2015-12-07 04:40:30] podizzler3k : otherwise things could get messy
[2015-12-07 04:40:39] brucegoose : haha. too late
[2015-12-07 04:41:02] podizzler3k : gonna go play some MKX when i get back i expect 2670
[2015-12-07 04:42:29] rapidtrades : I'll see what I can do
[2015-12-07 05:26:27] podizzler3k : wtf
[2015-12-07 05:26:29] podizzler3k : wtf did you do
[2015-12-07 05:26:36] podizzler3k : ok im back it can go back up
[2015-12-07 05:41:37] podizzler3k : k
[2015-12-07 05:58:43] laisee : rocket man arrives
[2015-12-07 06:01:56] podizzler3k : haha seriously as soon as i came back
[2015-12-07 06:02:19] podizzler3k : [00:26] <podizzler3k> ok im back it can go back up
[2015-12-07 06:02:23] podizzler3k : timestamp dont lie
[2015-12-07 06:02:50] podizzler3k : 2600 is ok but we need moar
[2015-12-07 06:06:54] podizzler3k : wow this chop is excruciating after all that fun
[2015-12-07 06:56:47] ethexio : whee
[2015-12-07 07:52:22] podizzler3k : wow talk about a bounce
[2015-12-07 08:33:56] rapidtrades : gone to bed at 392, woke up at 392
[2015-12-07 08:33:59] rapidtrades : NOT HAPPY
[2015-12-07 08:41:18] ethexio : Could be worse
[2015-12-07 08:41:57] ethexio : Maybe stop sleeping also, rapidtrades.
[2015-12-07 08:45:28] rapidtrades : gah couldn't get an arb filled
[2015-12-07 08:46:01] rapidtrades : it's noot hard to get executed here
[2015-12-07 08:46:14] rapidtrades : *too hard
[2015-12-07 08:46:47] wurstgelee : so you still don't know what arbitrage is?
[2015-12-07 08:47:10] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: is it f*cking your mother?
[2015-12-07 08:47:27] wurstgelee : thanks for confirmation
[2015-12-07 08:48:16] BitMEX_Wally : If you have to wait for an arb to be filled then it's not an arb, it's a statistical arb
[2015-12-07 08:52:47] rapidtrades : who cares.. I'm here to make money not to have my grammar corrected
[2015-12-07 08:54:04] wurstgelee : you obviously also don't know what grammar is
[2015-12-07 08:56:18] rapidtrades : dunno, dun care
[2015-12-07 08:56:37] wurstgelee : exactly :D
[2015-12-07 08:58:59] rapidtrades : small wall on okc...80 btc
[2015-12-07 08:59:12] rapidtrades : that's big for okc USD
[2015-12-07 08:59:46] rapidtrades : @$394
[2015-12-07 09:15:52] podizzler3k : I'm here to make money not to have my grammar corrected
[2015-12-07 09:15:59] podizzler3k : lol
[2015-12-07 09:37:36] laisee : we need a schoole for traders who can't write & add good. preferably full size.
[2015-12-07 09:42:40] micmix : https://twitter.com/NASANewHorizons/status/672882733383831556/photo/1
[2015-12-07 09:51:31] rapidtrades : fucking index....
[2015-12-07 09:51:38] rapidtrades : okc 395
[2015-12-07 09:51:46] rapidtrades : finex 393
[2015-12-07 09:51:53] rapidtrades : HERE WHAT THE FOCK
[2015-12-07 09:58:22] wurstgelee : MEWN
[2015-12-07 10:02:16] laisee : FOMO is over.
[2015-12-07 10:04:29] rapidtrades : the Chinese are coming back from work
[2015-12-07 10:04:42] rapidtrades : they will buy their daily allotment of bitcoins, don't worry
[2015-12-07 10:06:14] rapidtrades : then they'll eat some ramen and go to bed early...so they can wake up early and work hard...
[2015-12-07 10:06:23] rapidtrades : ...so they can buy some bitcoins the next day
[2015-12-07 10:07:05] rapidtrades : $400 okc
[2015-12-07 10:35:46] rapidtrades : rally bitcoin u lil b1tch!
[2015-12-07 10:36:22] rapidtrades : one nice juicy pre-settlement pump
[2015-12-07 10:41:26] laisee : buy after morning dump, sell after late-afternoon pump. it's like some kind of pattern.
[2015-12-07 10:42:01] rapidtrades : yeah
[2015-12-07 10:44:01] laisee : will sell the house tomorrow AM and buy BTC before lunch. excesss profits by 7:00 PM
[2015-12-07 10:45:39] rapidtrades : problem with those patterns is, they work until they don't
[2015-12-07 10:45:50] rapidtrades : then ur left holding the bag