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[2025-01-09 16:32:19] PeacenLuv : if u were trump u would do the same
[2025-01-09 16:32:19] kroleg666 : not fiat
[2025-01-09 16:32:30] ninnk : kroleg666: you have a link for the changes? cba to search it up, busy staring at candles
[2025-01-09 16:32:33] kroleg666 : meltedcheese: if you want to withdraw btc you need to verify your wallet first by sending btc from it
[2025-01-09 16:32:47] kroleg666 : so new buyers that doesn't; have crypto CAN'T buy his first crypto
[2025-01-09 16:32:50] kroleg666 : unless he finds some shady ways
[2025-01-09 16:32:51] PeacenLuv : ninnk: i saw yur chart boss jus sayin
[2025-01-09 16:32:51] meltedcheese : It doesn't make sense
[2025-01-09 16:33:14] PeacenLuv : rsi n stock pretty common indicatorz jus sayin
[2025-01-09 16:33:21] PeacenLuv : time frame was that?
[2025-01-09 16:33:31] PeacenLuv : stoch*
[2025-01-09 16:33:40] kroleg666 : ninnk: I don't have link, cba to read
[2025-01-09 16:33:42] kroleg666 : but there's this https://i.ibb.co/n3KtFvd/image.png
[2025-01-09 16:33:49] kroleg666 : new buyers can't buy crypto anymore
[2025-01-09 16:33:52] kroleg666 : not legally
[2025-01-09 16:34:04] PeacenLuv : y black background u ceo?
[2025-01-09 16:34:07] ninnk : wow that's scammy
[2025-01-09 16:34:14] kroleg666 : no new buyers from EU
[2025-01-09 16:34:16] kroleg666 : none (0)
[2025-01-09 16:34:25] PeacenLuv : ninnk: hey u muted me?
[2025-01-09 16:34:27] kroleg666 : also no returning buyers
[2025-01-09 16:34:40] kroleg666 : selling btc is easy tho
[2025-01-09 16:34:42] ninnk : PeacenLuv: it's easier on the eyes my good sir
[2025-01-09 16:34:42] kroleg666 : so expect sells
[2025-01-09 16:35:00] PeacenLuv : all gewd wut time frame was that pleez
[2025-01-09 16:35:14] ninnk : 4h
[2025-01-09 16:35:29] PeacenLuv : the steady run down chart rsi stoch btc u had up
[2025-01-09 16:35:35] PeacenLuv : ok thnx
[2025-01-09 16:35:57] PeacenLuv : i like 2hr too
[2025-01-09 16:36:10] PeacenLuv : and 30
[2025-01-09 16:36:34] PeacenLuv : heres coming 6hr tunnel n wave n ao u may luv it im not into ew counting
[2025-01-09 16:39:11] PeacenLuv : if the tunnel is wide u can half it up into 3rds 1/4z or 1/8thz for s nrz
[2025-01-09 16:39:42] PeacenLuv : half n qrtrz n 3rds n schiti
[2025-01-09 16:41:43] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/5LtZsiKX/ theres 6hr tunnel support btc reality not trump elon orban or putin they'll all fade
[2025-01-09 16:42:25] PeacenLuv : jus long btc less choicez they kill u
[2025-01-09 16:42:29] Atlemos : PeacenLuv: nice, we ready for go up now, pump test!
[2025-01-09 16:43:03] PeacenLuv : Atlemos: hoping
[2025-01-09 16:43:13] PeacenLuv : lived anuthr dayy long btc
[2025-01-09 16:43:18] Atlemos : orban is long now, bought some LTC
[2025-01-09 16:43:32] ninnk : PeacenLuv: alright, expecting 96500 today as well
[2025-01-09 16:43:38] PeacenLuv : lol orban duz ltc?true?
[2025-01-09 16:43:42] ninnk : straight back to the tunnel
[2025-01-09 16:44:22] PeacenLuv : its safer long down here more than last time it was here we were higher before then
[2025-01-09 16:44:22] Atlemos : ninnk: 👍👌
[2025-01-09 16:45:01] dexswap : imagine when job data comes out tomorrow and btc drop another 20%
[2025-01-09 16:45:03] dexswap : gonna be mad
[2025-01-09 16:45:18] PeacenLuv : best thang iz my wife stayin 10yrz my junior
[2025-01-09 16:45:48] meltedcheese : Turns out kroleg was right?
[2025-01-09 16:46:26] PeacenLuv : phuk btc
[2025-01-09 16:46:41] PeacenLuv : by now i hate btc sooo much
[2025-01-09 16:47:07] PeacenLuv : im like 3cheez jus not so retarded
[2025-01-09 16:47:49] Atlemos : 😆
[2025-01-09 16:48:41] PeacenLuv : ya sad usd nanks closed no fair
[2025-01-09 16:49:13] PeacenLuv : banks closed often*
[2025-01-09 16:49:40] PeacenLuv : called hwld in trust
[2025-01-09 16:49:41] Atlemos : meltedcheese: we should have keep his expanding channel chart to 300k
[2025-01-09 16:50:04] PeacenLuv : *held
[2025-01-09 16:51:00] meltedcheese : Atlemos: turns out what he said is not exact. If anything, it will be harder to cashout to fiat, not easier
[2025-01-09 16:51:10] meltedcheese : In EU
[2025-01-09 16:52:02] Atlemos : Yep, soon they want dna sample and shoe size
[2025-01-09 16:52:20] PeacenLuv : im shoppin longs xbt with a bag full of powder
[2025-01-09 16:52:48] PeacenLuv : first buy 94358
[2025-01-09 16:53:06] PeacenLuv : qnd or lower
[2025-01-09 16:53:18] PeacenLuv : *and
[2025-01-09 16:53:18] meltedcheese : Atlemos: that's why I am not putting any more fiat in btc. They want to kill it. Indirectly. At this point it would be far better buying ETF or future on a traditional fiat exchange
[2025-01-09 16:53:29] meltedcheese : Far easier at this point
[2025-01-09 16:54:02] meltedcheese : Or buy stocks giving crypto exposure
[2025-01-09 16:54:11] meltedcheese : It's a shame really
[2025-01-09 16:55:48] PeacenLuv : phuk waiting i longed it
[2025-01-09 16:57:01] Atlemos : PeacenLuv: your wify in to crypto?
[2025-01-09 16:57:37] PeacenLuv : Atlemos: notat all . simple
[2025-01-09 16:58:18] PeacenLuv : long liquidz 89238 lezgoo
[2025-01-09 16:58:54] PeacenLuv : longstops up 94008
[2025-01-09 16:59:21] PeacenLuv : lighting up a fatty
[2025-01-09 16:59:32] PeacenLuv : 3 cheerz for btc
[2025-01-09 17:01:55] PeacenLuv : qundr btc yen price while the japz sleep
[2025-01-09 17:02:07] PeacenLuv : wundr
[2025-01-09 17:03:11] PeacenLuv : 14.9 milly yen per
[2025-01-09 17:03:41] PeacenLuv : 3/4z of twenty
[2025-01-09 17:03:58] PeacenLuv : bully
[2025-01-09 17:05:04] PeacenLuv : wutz different in modern werld is the distribution of info
[2025-01-09 17:05:25] PeacenLuv : and response to such
[2025-01-09 17:06:21] PeacenLuv : like a dr banging on knee for reflex
[2025-01-09 17:10:22] kroleg666 : PeacenLuv: ubgfd liqqqqzzzzzzzzzz 85k iggoff liqz bera
[2025-01-09 17:11:45] meltedcheese : Kroleg you were wrong about the new EU regulations. It's now harder to cash out to fiat, not easier
[2025-01-09 17:12:20] meltedcheese : But it's as easy as before to throw away your real fiat money for magic internet money
[2025-01-09 17:12:32] meltedcheese : Hence price goes up
[2025-01-09 17:13:34] PeacenLuv : 😬my btc buys a lot more usd now
[2025-01-09 17:16:30] ninnk : meltedcheese: source pl0x
[2025-01-09 17:16:44] ninnk : meltedcheese: i'll even consider sparing your family and skip using cheese for dinner
[2025-01-09 17:17:06] kroleg666 : meltedcheese: how is it hard? you can just deposit btc and withdraw to your bank account same as before
[2025-01-09 17:17:20] kroleg666 : while in reverse its not possible until you verify your crypto wallet (so you already must have some coins there)
[2025-01-09 17:17:36] kroleg666 : coinbase support told me like 'well yeah you need to get some crypto with other means first, try asking friends'
[2025-01-09 17:17:41] kroleg666 : what about people with no friends
[2025-01-09 17:17:47] kroleg666 : even those with would get sus and leave
[2025-01-09 17:18:09] kroleg666 : meltedcheese: I mean you can still buy btc and keep it on exchange
[2025-01-09 17:18:18] kroleg666 : but then exchanges will gox and marketsell them
[2025-01-09 17:18:20] kroleg666 : thats the plan
[2025-01-09 17:18:52] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 700 USD @ 93754.2 - this was the last penny!
[2025-01-09 17:18:52] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `LTCUSDT`: Sell 5.6000 LTC @ 103.62 ($580.28)
[2025-01-09 17:19:02] ninnk : kroleg666: just mine some btc first how hard can it be people been doing it since 2009 🤭
[2025-01-09 17:19:10] kroleg666 : lol
[2025-01-09 17:19:23] kroleg666 : ninnk: srsly tho they'll lure newcomers to buy crypto but not own it
[2025-01-09 17:19:29] kroleg666 : ETFs, storing on exchanges
[2025-01-09 17:19:35] kroleg666 : coinbase now offers some 'coinbase wallet', lol
[2025-01-09 17:19:41] kroleg666 : its on blockchain but controlled by coinbase
[2025-01-09 17:19:42] kroleg666 : hahah
[2025-01-09 17:19:42] dexswap : dis about to get juicy
[2025-01-09 17:19:56] kroleg666 : ninnk: and then they'll rugpull and SUDDENLY ppl realize they don't own what they bought
[2025-01-09 17:20:05] kroleg666 : all wealth down the drain
[2025-01-09 17:20:26] ninnk : dexswap: https://www.tradingview.com/x/6vMDxVXL/
[2025-01-09 17:20:29] ninnk : :smirk:
[2025-01-09 17:21:08] ninnk : kroleg666: yea i realized that as soon as you said you cant withdraw without a very stupid verification process
[2025-01-09 17:23:32] dexswap : ninnk: hm im closing some at 92.8
[2025-01-09 17:23:57] ninnk : https://youtu.be/X2WH8mHJnhM :( :( ;( ;( </3 <3
[2025-01-09 17:28:48] PeacenLuv : 😬😯😙well that was easy long xbt usd
[2025-01-09 17:34:46] dexswap : thank u jebus
[2025-01-09 17:35:00] dexswap : months of bull market, i am finally rewarded for being a bear
[2025-01-09 17:35:05] dexswap : it was worth it
[2025-01-09 17:35:52] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 USD @ 93534 - Game over
[2025-01-09 17:38:20] Bitfrebbe : This just needs a flashy crashy huh before we go 120k
[2025-01-09 17:38:35] Grichka : *phone ringtone*
[2025-01-09 17:38:42] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 600 USD @ 93421.1 - #yolo is a valid strategy
[2025-01-09 17:41:00] Yourholyhireless : guys i think its over again 😳
[2025-01-09 17:41:17] Dhiresh : It was a bull trap guys just a simple pullback
[2025-01-09 17:42:01] dexswap : more fuel for the dump :)
[2025-01-09 17:42:10] dexswap : the bounce wasnt sufficent enough
[2025-01-09 17:43:08] Yourholyhireless : bull run was a bulltrap
[2025-01-09 17:43:24] Daanren : no bull run :D
[2025-01-09 17:43:34] Daanren : its just sume move up after the dump
[2025-01-09 17:43:58] Yourholyhireless : gyar 😌
[2025-01-09 17:44:28] Daanren : now i am expecting bull flag maybe
[2025-01-09 17:45:49] PeacenLuv : 😬lol check 6hr candle xbtusdperp . your choice
[2025-01-09 17:48:23] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSDT`: Sell 0.0010 XBT @ 93061.9 ($93.07) - Game over
[2025-01-09 17:48:28] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 52000 USD @ 92987.8 - Another cow slaughtered
[2025-01-09 17:49:41] dexswap : LOL
[2025-01-09 17:49:43] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 400 USD @ 92808.6 - 🐳
[2025-01-09 17:49:50] dexswap : Dhiresh: here we go, final boss
[2025-01-09 17:49:53] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTH25`: Sell 4500 USD @ 95135.5
[2025-01-09 17:50:28] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 21900 USD @ 92682.7
[2025-01-09 17:50:28] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSDT`: Sell 0.0047 XBT @ 92665.5 ($435.60) - Game over
[2025-01-09 17:50:31] Grichka : *They tought it was over ? They bought the dip ? You know what to do* :bog:
[2025-01-09 17:50:33] dexswap : amazing trap
[2025-01-09 17:50:39] dexswap : thought volume was gone and boom
[2025-01-09 17:50:47] dexswap : asia to wake up selling too
[2025-01-09 17:50:49] dexswap : just the start
[2025-01-09 17:51:00] Atlemos : re test of the lows
[2025-01-09 17:51:32] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3800 USD @ 92463.6
[2025-01-09 17:51:38] Grichka : :bog: *Damp eet again* :bog:
[2025-01-09 17:51:44] Atlemos : Grincha on the phone again, be careful guys
[2025-01-09 17:53:03] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 400 USD @ 92340.2 - this was the last penny!
[2025-01-09 17:56:04] Atlemos : dexswap: yes index volume like a joke
[2025-01-09 17:57:02] luckii : Just testing 92 for the 10th time to be sure
[2025-01-09 17:57:39] Grill_the_bera_71 : very nice scam
[2025-01-09 17:57:43] Grill_the_bera_71 : very nice
[2025-01-09 18:02:21] Grill_the_bera_71 : whot a manipulated scam
[2025-01-09 18:08:42] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 USD @ 92495.6
[2025-01-09 18:11:36] Crazydodger : kroleg666: you can Just buy some coins and send it to lets say a ledger, but you have to let them know its your wallet. so whats the problem Just like if you send it to bitmex
[2025-01-09 18:12:04] Crazydodger : they Just want to know if the wallet is yours
[2025-01-09 18:12:33] Crazydodger : And only if the transaction is bigger then 1000 euro i believe
[2025-01-09 18:13:43] dexswap : how u gonna buy here
[2025-01-09 18:13:52] dexswap : u gotta be donkey brained
[2025-01-09 18:18:40] meltedcheese : dexswap: meanwhile gold about to shoot to new aths. But yeah, Buttcoin is the store of value lol
[2025-01-09 18:19:13] kroleg666 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/HNxO1nXf/
[2025-01-09 18:20:07] kroleg666 : sorry, better one https://www.tradingview.com/x/ULPJTAnc/
[2025-01-09 18:20:45] meltedcheese : Crazydodger: the moment your coins leave the exchange good luck proving the wallet is yours
[2025-01-09 18:21:01] kroleg666 : Crazydodger: after you select 'my own wallet' it asks you to verify it by sending some btc FROM it to exchange
[2025-01-09 18:21:05] kroleg666 : so you must have some on it
[2025-01-09 18:21:19] kroleg666 : so if you don't have any crypto you can't get
[2025-01-09 18:21:25] meltedcheese : Totally possible but seems like a bit complicated
[2025-01-09 18:21:28] ninnk : what if i only have bch and bsv the real ponzis
[2025-01-09 18:21:36] kroleg666 : meltedcheese: yeah and new buyers cba to go around it
[2025-01-09 18:21:40] kroleg666 : they'll just buy ETF
[2025-01-09 18:21:49] kroleg666 : brb dota
[2025-01-09 18:22:27] meltedcheese : At this point is clear that crapto is for big guys only. Poor facks will have to buy the etf or gtfo
[2025-01-09 18:23:24] Crazydodger : i already sended it to that wallet as i bought it on the same exchange maybe
[2025-01-09 18:23:28] Crazydodger : so they know
[2025-01-09 18:26:23] kroleg666 : maybe
[2025-01-09 18:27:11] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/tnj66c1R/ btfd btc 15min lezgoo
[2025-01-09 18:29:24] dexswap : btfd since 108k lol
[2025-01-09 18:30:34] ninnk : 30 dec vibes
[2025-01-09 18:33:14] meltedcheese : Crazydodger: as per regulation, you have to prove who is the sender and who is the receiver for any transaction involving an intermediary
[2025-01-09 18:33:46] meltedcheese : It's not always easy to prove a personal wallet is yours I guess
[2025-01-09 18:34:28] meltedcheese : But yeah Buttcoin was also supposed to safeguard privacy. Lmfao
[2025-01-09 18:38:40] 45th_blown_account : https://x.com/naiivememe/status/1876892766514335835 :pepe:
[2025-01-09 18:40:14] gnomadD : I sense a massacre of overleveraged shorts in imminent...
[2025-01-09 18:41:43] dexswap : 45th_blown_account: lol
[2025-01-09 18:42:13] The_Reaper : market manipulators do what they do best
[2025-01-09 18:42:16] The_Reaper : candle down, candle up
[2025-01-09 18:45:06] 45th_blown_account : dexswap: :catjam:
[2025-01-09 18:46:21] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/nDOIhY6l/ herez gewd support xbt pumpittup lezgoo
[2025-01-09 18:51:28] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/m3x6T5e6/ therez meat abov here here 30 min aktion lookin forward my addons lezgooo btc bully
[2025-01-09 18:52:51] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/WS0WJ0WW/ like so
[2025-01-09 18:53:05] PeacenLuv : red is no go
[2025-01-09 18:53:21] PeacenLuv : redacted
[2025-01-09 18:54:50] Dessos : >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWaeS1vOG9Y https://www.tradingview.com/x/dawM2mPI/
[2025-01-09 18:59:34] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/f8bPVZlJ/ pumpittup bully btc
[2025-01-09 18:59:56] PeacenLuv : cripz n bloodz
[2025-01-09 19:06:17] Djdez : There we go with the ping pong you cant trade nothing now
[2025-01-09 19:07:39] Djdez : All fake scams up and down milking stop losses
[2025-01-09 19:08:56] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/Wdx4Pk0R/ bully 30min btc
[2025-01-09 19:09:04] Djdez : The_Reaper: exactly its trade desk or watever they call them.
[2025-01-09 19:09:18] PeacenLuv : Djdez: longittup xbtusdperpz dabomm
[2025-01-09 19:09:56] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/ZjGfSIgI/ future addons above setting stopwatcjh
[2025-01-09 19:10:20] Djdez : PeacenLuv:longed from last night and hit stop loss, was too tight
[2025-01-09 19:11:44] PeacenLuv : must be p2p this trading
[2025-01-09 19:11:51] clarknova : Can we please hit AT LAST my buy orders ?
[2025-01-09 19:11:57] PeacenLuv : Djdez: ya never too tight the stops
[2025-01-09 19:12:02] clarknova : thank you
[2025-01-09 19:12:19] PeacenLuv : buy above sir @clarknova
[2025-01-09 19:12:28] PeacenLuv : support btc
[2025-01-09 19:12:42] clarknova : I might...
[2025-01-09 19:12:42] PeacenLuv : buy and defend my regimen
[2025-01-09 19:12:44] dexswap : fcked again by 92 its not possible
[2025-01-09 19:12:50] dexswap : it must break
[2025-01-09 19:13:58] meltedcheese : dexswap: bitcoin likes horizontals
[2025-01-09 19:14:06] meltedcheese : Always been like this
[2025-01-09 19:14:23] PeacenLuv : if u dont sumeone else is before u
[2025-01-09 19:14:32] PeacenLuv : clarknova: sweet
[2025-01-09 19:14:58] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/Pw0fgaO7/ layered stopz usa motif
[2025-01-09 19:15:23] PeacenLuv : u wont need them its just like fallback
[2025-01-09 19:15:37] PeacenLuv : if loserz sell here btc
[2025-01-09 19:16:10] PeacenLuv : i like loserz as much as hate them we need them
[2025-01-09 19:16:30] PeacenLuv : guyz that are wrong=loserz
[2025-01-09 19:16:53] PeacenLuv : if u need it said
[2025-01-09 19:17:57] PeacenLuv : 6hr is going green i can b right once and live long btc
[2025-01-09 19:18:24] PeacenLuv : we last near 100yrs on water n air
[2025-01-09 19:20:21] ninnk : let's make the monthly great again
[2025-01-09 19:27:44] meltedcheese : Fack this slow dump
[2025-01-09 19:27:55] meltedcheese : Buttcoin is pain
[2025-01-09 19:29:36] The_Reaper : eVERYONE CALLED HIGHER ath LEVELS NOW? I WANNA SEE THEM
[2025-01-09 19:29:42] The_Reaper : aLSO eth 15K LET4S GO ;;;
[2025-01-09 19:29:43] speedwell : It's been consistent, I'll give it that.
[2025-01-09 19:29:57] The_Reaper : Alt season jan 2025, let's go ...
[2025-01-09 19:30:21] The_Reaper : what are we doing here? Everyone knows this will go up
[2025-01-09 19:30:54] speedwell : capitulation then celebration
[2025-01-09 19:31:04] ninnk : https://www.tradingview.com/x/x4CAO7IN/ 🤫 don't let them know @The_Reaper
[2025-01-09 19:32:53] meltedcheese : The_Reaper: if it goes up is entirely due to manipulation. Nobody is buying Buttcoin out there.
[2025-01-09 19:33:23] The_Reaper : meltedcheese: ser, you need to buy for price to go up
[2025-01-09 19:33:36] The_Reaper : :arthur:
[2025-01-09 19:34:05] meltedcheese : The_Reaper: buying with stablecoin isn't the same as buying with fiat
[2025-01-09 19:34:27] meltedcheese : Buttcoin is priced in usdt/usdc
[2025-01-09 19:35:10] meltedcheese : Anyway, whenever I start calling BTC "Buttcoin" we are usually near a bottom, so I should long it
[2025-01-09 19:39:25] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/6R9xshp6/ btfd btc its a dream come true
[2025-01-09 19:42:07] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `FARTCOINUSDT`: Sell 400 FARTCOIN @ 0.7951 ($337.16)
[2025-01-09 19:42:07] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `BNBUSD`: Sell 25 Cont @ 684.47 ($1,586.89)
[2025-01-09 19:42:59] dexswap : every bounce gets smaller and smaller
[2025-01-09 19:43:04] dexswap : until there is no bounce
[2025-01-09 19:43:09] dexswap : just redness
[2025-01-09 19:45:55] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `FARTCOINUSDT`: Sell 20 FARTCOIN @ 0.7791 ($16.86)
[2025-01-09 19:46:40] meltedcheese : dexswap: gold acting as a real store of value and still morons saying buttcoin is a store of value
[2025-01-09 19:47:19] dexswap : imagine if bitconers found out about golds chart just going up for decades
[2025-01-09 19:47:34] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/inElL36R/ more pleez btfd
[2025-01-09 19:47:40] PeacenLuv : xtreem
[2025-01-09 19:48:13] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/VNHKM8P0/ btfd cmon cheep here
[2025-01-09 19:48:24] meltedcheese : dexswap: gold being a store of value since millenia and people throw their paychecks in bitcoin :D lol. Clown world
[2025-01-09 19:48:47] dexswap : they want the get rich quick scheme which always ends well
[2025-01-09 19:49:20] dexswap : boooooom
[2025-01-09 19:49:25] meltedcheese : dexswap: I mean it does work. If you're early. Now it's not early anymore
[2025-01-09 19:49:38] dexswap : omg like a ... ponzi
[2025-01-09 19:50:45] Grichka : :bog:
[2025-01-09 19:50:54] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/4BSsHVdI/ bottomed just longitup
[2025-01-09 19:51:17] dexswap : no more bounces
[2025-01-09 19:52:12] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 USD @ 92065.5 - this was the last penny!
[2025-01-09 19:52:19] meltedcheese : dexswap: I mean I saw worse dumps. This is kinda slow. Panic should follow if we go 80ks
[2025-01-09 19:53:22] meltedcheese : Forgot to say, indices are about to crash and recession may follow, but, of course, Bitcoin will remain unaffected lol /s
[2025-01-09 19:53:54] TrueNet : PeacenLuv: Lool when did you start trading??? Last night???
[2025-01-09 19:54:11] dexswap : close under 92 on hourly for destruction
[2025-01-09 19:54:13] Grill_the_bera_71 : this charst are foked
[2025-01-09 19:54:28] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/QKflq9ZA/ btfd btc lezgoo
[2025-01-09 19:54:32] meltedcheese : I am seriously worried we may start a bear market here. After all, with diminishing returns, it's not even a 2x from last ath. Last bull we had 3x
[2025-01-09 19:54:34] PeacenLuv : TrueNet: lol
[2025-01-09 19:54:38] meltedcheese : So not impossible to top here
[2025-01-09 19:54:40] PeacenLuv : /since ``` :bitmex: PeacenLuv has been on BitMEX since Jun 17, 2023. ```
[2025-01-09 19:54:50] TrueNet : /since ``` :bitmex: TrueNet has been on BitMEX since Aug 30, 2018. ```
[2025-01-09 19:54:52] dexswap : pushhh
[2025-01-09 19:54:54] PeacenLuv : im jus given err with mumz munnee who carez
[2025-01-09 19:55:18] PeacenLuv : whos asking
[2025-01-09 19:55:22] The_Reaper : 123.456$ per bitcoin atleast on my chart
[2025-01-09 19:55:28] PeacenLuv : TrueNet: wow og sirr
[2025-01-09 19:55:40] PeacenLuv : best yur wayy
[2025-01-09 19:55:48] TrueNet : PeacenLuv: Lool
[2025-01-09 19:55:55] The_Reaper : Every dip is bought and fended off
[2025-01-09 19:56:07] PeacenLuv : TrueNet: i knoww funny u funny peep
[2025-01-09 19:56:21] PeacenLuv : lil distraktion from arryday loige
[2025-01-09 19:56:25] PeacenLuv : life
[2025-01-09 19:56:51] meltedcheese : The_Reaper: are we looking at the same chart? Because all I see is 3 days dumping NON STOP
[2025-01-09 19:56:56] PeacenLuv : my grammar teacher actually sent me here then i got hooked about grade 10
[2025-01-09 19:57:09] ninnk : next stop -273.15°C
[2025-01-09 19:57:23] PeacenLuv : wtf iz that?
[2025-01-09 19:57:26] PeacenLuv : ninnk:
[2025-01-09 19:57:32] PeacenLuv : sheesh mind blower
[2025-01-09 19:57:33] dexswap : SH1T
[2025-01-09 19:57:38] ninnk : absolute 0 lmao
[2025-01-09 19:57:43] PeacenLuv : up from hell?
[2025-01-09 19:57:43] dexswap : 10 second chart trap lol
[2025-01-09 19:57:55] PeacenLuv : its cold up?
[2025-01-09 19:58:13] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 26500 USD @ 92100.1
[2025-01-09 19:58:24] dexswap : push bby last 2 mins under 92
[2025-01-09 19:59:18] chujev : it's over
[2025-01-09 19:59:20] The_Reaper : meltedcheese: still HL’s we are making
[2025-01-09 19:59:21] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/kUOSmOue/ there safer trade map
[2025-01-09 19:59:22] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 28500 USD @ 92009.6
[2025-01-09 19:59:38] dexswap : ALGOS to kick in now
[2025-01-09 19:59:46] dexswap : closed under 92
[2025-01-09 19:59:52] The_Reaper : Timeframes dont really make a difference here
[2025-01-09 19:59:58] The_Reaper : Does not matter at all
[2025-01-09 20:00:04] dexswap : mega dump coming
[2025-01-09 20:00:09] The_Reaper : Closing under 92 also dont mattet
[2025-01-09 20:00:18] The_Reaper : Matter*
[2025-01-09 20:01:05] tchatskii : /since ``` :bitmex: tchatskii has been on BitMEX since May 18, 2019. ```
[2025-01-09 20:01:16] PeacenLuv : prolly trump n elon a cupl jackoff artizts at play
[2025-01-09 20:01:17] The_Reaper : Check 30th december
[2025-01-09 20:01:32] meltedcheese : The_Reaper: I see a lower high on the daily and a horizontal support getting weaker every second it passes
[2025-01-09 20:02:16] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/vSi3wD1m/ 30min bottomed for all my bully bhitchez n whoez btc
[2025-01-09 20:02:28] The_Reaper : meltedcheese: there is tons of horizontal support
[2025-01-09 20:02:36] The_Reaper : Its up only in the short term
[2025-01-09 20:03:33] PeacenLuv : Nelly - Hot In Herre bully btc lezgoo pumpittup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeZZr_p6vB8
[2025-01-09 20:03:40] meltedcheese : The_Reaper: lol it's one horizontal area, 91k being the low of the area
[2025-01-09 20:04:07] The_Reaper : People are just weak handed morons
[2025-01-09 20:04:16] The_Reaper : Freaking out on every red candle
[2025-01-09 20:04:25] The_Reaper : Dont use leverage, you will be fine
[2025-01-09 20:04:30] The_Reaper : /position ethusd ``` :bitmex: ETHUSD: 25 Cont @ 3923 ```
[2025-01-09 20:04:50] Grill_the_bera_71 : The_Reaper: yiu kibged
[2025-01-09 20:04:53] Grill_the_bera_71 : 3900?
[2025-01-09 20:04:54] PeacenLuv : i used chapstik first in 40 yearz feelz like i just got kissed
[2025-01-09 20:04:58] TrueNet : PeacenLuv: Proove to us you are longing here
[2025-01-09 20:05:02] meltedcheese : The_Reaper: yeah don't use leverage, if you are rich* - else make pennies
[2025-01-09 20:05:04] The_Reaper : Grill_the_bera_71: rekt
[2025-01-09 20:05:08] Atlemos : Over sold on 1mins! less go! pumpittup
[2025-01-09 20:05:42] TrueNet : Atlemos: Proove you are longing here
[2025-01-09 20:06:01] PeacenLuv : TrueNet: lol no thnx peace
[2025-01-09 20:06:06] ninnk : damn bro my voodoo lines got invalidated for the 3rd time in 24h, almost as if voodoo is a bunch of bs :flushed::pepe::kek:
[2025-01-09 20:06:09] DingaDinga : https://youtu.be/7jO9MqXmsvw?si=E-c9eJyrUgHKpTAF&t=74
[2025-01-09 20:06:18] PeacenLuv : TrueNet: your doubt rewardz me
[2025-01-09 20:06:30] Atlemos : TrueNet: no sir i am longing higher up
[2025-01-09 20:06:33] clarknova : Coooome to meeeee
[2025-01-09 20:06:40] TrueNet : PeacenLuv: 😂😂😂 why scared??
[2025-01-09 20:06:49] Grill_the_bera_71 : clarknova: fokin scam
[2025-01-09 20:06:49] PeacenLuv : ya
[2025-01-09 20:06:57] PeacenLuv : im a lil baybee gurll wtf
[2025-01-09 20:07:11] clarknova : Grill_the_bera_71: of course what else ? XD
[2025-01-09 20:07:21] clarknova : THE TECH ?!
[2025-01-09 20:07:25] PeacenLuv : i dont even trust my nano ledger ffazakes
[2025-01-09 20:07:48] PeacenLuv : biggest loser here dohnforget it punk
[2025-01-09 20:07:53] Grill_the_bera_71 : clarknova: i thout some relif
[2025-01-09 20:07:55] Grill_the_bera_71 : but now
[2025-01-09 20:08:05] PeacenLuv : ill buy the acre u stand on
[2025-01-09 20:08:31] clarknova : Grill_the_bera_71: I'm praying for this flush...
[2025-01-09 20:08:33] PeacenLuv : purfekt mute material thnx bud bye
[2025-01-09 20:08:45] The_Reaper : The remaining data that has to come in this week is bullish for risk assets
[2025-01-09 20:09:04] meltedcheese : I have a feeling this sh1t wont break 90ks. Market manipulators scammers played very good tricks with 80-90-100k psychological levels
[2025-01-09 20:09:06] meltedcheese : Fack them
[2025-01-09 20:09:07] The_Reaper : Ppi, unemploym rate, non farm payrolls
[2025-01-09 20:09:12] The_Reaper : Dont get left behind
[2025-01-09 20:09:15] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/ExRLpeiv/ jus longitt lezgoo im btc salesmann growupp
[2025-01-09 20:09:43] TrueNet : meltedcheese: Wanna bet?
[2025-01-09 20:10:02] The_Reaper : TrueNet: no bets on facts
[2025-01-09 20:10:11] meltedcheese : TrueNet: about what?
[2025-01-09 20:10:22] PeacenLuv : 2Pac, Pop Smoke - Write This Down ft. Biggie, DMX, Eazy E, Ice Cube, Dr Dre, NWA, Nipsey, Snoop Dogg btc bully lezgoo pumpp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY4Rs-teLjA
[2025-01-09 20:11:06] TrueNet : The reason price keeps coming back to 90k is cos of the pool of liquidity sitting below 90k. BTC is actually bullish, but it can't go up, its acting like a magnet
[2025-01-09 20:11:14] meltedcheese : The_Reaper: indices are dumping, gold bullish, dxy bullish, what else do you need?
[2025-01-09 20:12:06] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5500000 USD @ 91926.6 - Make trading great again
[2025-01-09 20:12:14] TrueNet : The pool is highly likely to be run at this point
[2025-01-09 20:12:22] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `ETHUSDH25`: Sell 275 Cont @ 3400 ($85,918.48) - For financial freedom!
[2025-01-09 20:12:22] PeacenLuv : 5.5milly liquid bye
[2025-01-09 20:12:29] chujev : 5500000 USD 💀
[2025-01-09 20:12:42] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSDT`: Sell 0.0011 XBT @ 91858.2 ($101.02) - 🐳
[2025-01-09 20:13:02] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated short on `ETHUSD`: Buy 132 Cont @ 3174.37 ($38,502.97) - There goes ur space money
[2025-01-09 20:13:09] TG_ivan_sell_btc : price sex
[2025-01-09 20:13:56] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/rR7Phooy/ buy this dip lezgoo 30 min
[2025-01-09 20:13:57] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1900 USD @ 91696.3
[2025-01-09 20:14:12] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 73100 USD @ 91628.5 - Bonjour!
[2025-01-09 20:14:52] TrueNet : PeacenLuv: Are those your longs getting REKT 😂😂😂
[2025-01-09 20:15:25] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/pPq9AuWH/ btc pump incoming lezgoo pumpittup
[2025-01-09 20:15:44] weiron12 : biden selling the silkroad btc
[2025-01-09 20:15:46] Symphoenix : up
[2025-01-09 20:16:06] kroleg666 : weiron12: its mstr
[2025-01-09 20:16:15] kroleg666 : they need to get out fast
[2025-01-09 20:16:21] meltedcheese : See? This crap doesnt break
[2025-01-09 20:16:25] weiron12 : mstr doest sell
[2025-01-09 20:16:30] 123sb2 : When will the dump stop
[2025-01-09 20:16:35] kroleg666 : yeah good one
[2025-01-09 20:16:37] The_Reaper : US GOV SILK ROAD WALLET: https://intel.arkm.com/explorer/address/bc1qa5wkgaew2dkv56kfvj49j0av5nml45x9ek9hz6
[2025-01-09 20:16:51] ninnk : there is no dump in ba sing se
[2025-01-09 20:16:57] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/LPRnglbt/ pump started kewl pa btc
[2025-01-09 20:16:58] The_Reaper : US Gov full crypto wallet
[2025-01-09 20:17:01] The_Reaper : https://intel.arkm.com/explorer/entity/usg
[2025-01-09 20:17:06] The_Reaper : Please favorite
[2025-01-09 20:17:11] The_Reaper : And check OUTFLOWS
[2025-01-09 20:17:12] The_Reaper : NONE
[2025-01-09 20:17:18] The_Reaper : so stop the fud bs ;)
[2025-01-09 20:17:21] 123sb2 : Stop the dump I will get liquidated at 85000
[2025-01-09 20:18:49] The_Reaper : /liq btcusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: 20869.3 ```
[2025-01-09 20:19:12] 123sb2 : I will lose everything and my wife will leave me pump it back to 100000
[2025-01-09 20:19:19] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/HV30glrt/ btfd btc 30min buy here
[2025-01-09 20:19:32] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `SOLUSD`: Sell 7419 Cont @ 184.38 ($125,361.67) - For financial freedom!
[2025-01-09 20:19:32] 123sb2 : I will sell and never buy again, just pump it back to get me out
[2025-01-09 20:19:32] meltedcheese : 123sb2: if you think we are still in a bull market, BIG IF, you can always add margin and lower your liq price. Not financial advice
[2025-01-09 20:19:47] meltedcheese : You need patience too
[2025-01-09 20:20:07] 123sb2 : I was wrong to buy at $100000 in the first place
[2025-01-09 20:20:17] 123sb2 : So dumb.
[2025-01-09 20:20:33] meltedcheese : 123sb2: everyone makes mistakes. Always easy in hindsight.
[2025-01-09 20:20:59] 123sb2 : Crazy price. Why would anyone buy at 100000$
[2025-01-09 20:21:12] 123sb2 : Damn I am rekt this time
[2025-01-09 20:21:22] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `AEVOUSDT`: Sell 634 AEVO @ 0.3155 ($203.70)
[2025-01-09 20:21:22] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 300800 USD @ 91558.4 - Exodia OBLITERATE!
[2025-01-09 20:21:22] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSDT`: Sell 0.0484 XBT @ 91566.8 ($4,431.00)
[2025-01-09 20:21:54] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTU25`: Sell 22100 USD @ 99146.5
[2025-01-09 20:22:07] ninnk : good lord someone put out this fire :pepe:
[2025-01-09 20:22:13] TrueNet : PeacenLuv: How is your long doing bruh?
[2025-01-09 20:22:22] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 USD @ 91330
[2025-01-09 20:22:35] 123sb2 : Pump it back to 100000 to get me out. I won’t ever buy again please
[2025-01-09 20:22:47] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1719700 USD @ 91302.2 - No refunds!
[2025-01-09 20:22:51] kroleg666 : 123sb2: lol
[2025-01-09 20:22:52] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSDT`: Sell 0.1000 XBT @ 91232.1 ($9,123.10)
[2025-01-09 20:22:59] HuskySquared : ma9 19 bros
[2025-01-09 20:23:00] HuskySquared : -30K
[2025-01-09 20:23:00] kroleg666 : 123sb2: you resemble me on my first day
[2025-01-09 20:23:18] TrueNet : Noobs always getting REKT, like I said, liquidity below 90k is why price keeps coming back down, its acting like a magnet
[2025-01-09 20:23:32] 123sb2 : Really man I won’t buy bitcoin anymore after this
[2025-01-09 20:23:42] TrueNet : Dump will continue till the liquidty is taken out
[2025-01-09 20:23:47] kroleg666 : 123sb2: it doesnt matter, market doesn't hear you
[2025-01-09 20:23:51] 123sb2 : I only lose money in crypto and I made so much in Tesla an nvidia
[2025-01-09 20:24:00] kroleg666 : crypto is for losing money
[2025-01-09 20:24:06] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/m9elsdUP/ support red white blu lezgoo lightittup
[2025-01-09 20:24:09] ninnk : grifto*
[2025-01-09 20:24:12] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `SOLUSDT`: Sell 4.5000 SOL @ 182.85 ($822.74)
[2025-01-09 20:24:12] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `AEVOUSDT`: Sell 1500 AEVO @ 0.3146 ($481.95)
[2025-01-09 20:24:14] 123sb2 : I better withdraw what I have left here and go to trade stocks
[2025-01-09 20:24:17] PeacenLuv : pumpitt cheap long btc
[2025-01-09 20:24:26] HuskySquared : 123sb2: STOCKS WONT LOOK BETTER TOMORROW
[2025-01-09 20:24:27] HuskySquared : lmfao
[2025-01-09 20:24:29] HuskySquared : ssssss
[2025-01-09 20:24:32] meltedcheese : 123sb2: I am staying afloat but I am also not buying crypto anymore. Will start buying stocks and commodities instead
[2025-01-09 20:24:45] 123sb2 : I just have better luck with stocks
[2025-01-09 20:24:51] kroleg666 : 123sb2: buy QRL spot and hold
[2025-01-09 20:24:54] kroleg666 : it will 1000x in next few years
[2025-01-09 20:24:54] 123sb2 : Lost so much $ with btc
[2025-01-09 20:25:25] meltedcheese : 123sb2: if you have a diversified portfolio and patience, stocks are a safer investment than crypto IN MY OPINION
[2025-01-09 20:25:45] 123sb2 : I sold my nvidia and came to buy btc at 100000$
[2025-01-09 20:25:48] 123sb2 : So stupid
[2025-01-09 20:25:55] HuskySquared : dont worry i got MSTX at 52 avg
[2025-01-09 20:26:00] 123sb2 : Should have just hold my nvidia
[2025-01-09 20:26:03] HuskySquared : i will get killed tomorrow
[2025-01-09 20:26:09] TG_ivan_sell_btc : 7 in 7 only + short thith sheet coins
[2025-01-09 20:26:46] TG_ivan_sell_btc : btc scam ltc scam eth scam doge scam sol scam ton scam
[2025-01-09 20:27:11] meltedcheese : TG_ivan_sell_btc: bch not scam :pepe: real btc
[2025-01-09 20:28:15] HuskySquared : everybody say a prayer
[2025-01-09 20:28:19] HuskySquared : because surtur's sword is real and can hurt you
[2025-01-09 20:28:29] meltedcheese : I think I'll grab some popcorns, watch market dump and buy later this year or next one. Stocks of course, hopefully at a discount
[2025-01-09 20:28:30] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/TnGs591d/ btfd btc
[2025-01-09 20:28:45] HuskySquared : Gjergj: May 19
[2025-01-09 20:28:49] meltedcheese : Not shorting tho
[2025-01-09 20:29:09] HuskySquared : my body still feels the last flash dump
[2025-01-09 20:29:12] HuskySquared : we will fade to 68k
[2025-01-09 20:29:14] HuskySquared : spiek to 60k
[2025-01-09 20:29:20] 123sb2 : I have no money left to buy anything
[2025-01-09 20:29:28] HuskySquared : after this one a lot of people wont
[2025-01-09 20:29:43] HuskySquared : SATAN candle is about to hit
[2025-01-09 20:29:58] HuskySquared : straight into hell tbh
[2025-01-09 20:30:06] HuskySquared : and lower to clowntown where SteveS is governor
[2025-01-09 20:30:10] 123sb2 : Don’t liquidate me
[2025-01-09 20:30:17] HuskySquared : flashnuke is going to liquidate all
[2025-01-09 20:30:20] HuskySquared : you will see
[2025-01-09 20:30:23] HuskySquared : -30K candle
[2025-01-09 20:30:44] HuskySquared : we are now pricing in
[2025-01-09 20:30:46] Grill_the_bera_71 : stop say bullshit
[2025-01-09 20:30:48] HuskySquared : zero rate cuts
[2025-01-09 20:30:59] TG_ivan_sell_btc : scam
[2025-01-09 20:31:20] 123sb2 : If it goes back to 100000$ I will sell and never buy again
[2025-01-09 20:31:28] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/9LVIC9fs/ fully bully bitcoin heres long chart for munnee hunnee
[2025-01-09 20:31:34] TG_ivan_sell_btc : cripto winter 2121 go BTC
[2025-01-09 20:31:35] 123sb2 : Help give me one last chance
[2025-01-09 20:31:58] Atlemos : at neck line of six head and eight shoulders
[2025-01-09 20:32:06] TG_ivan_sell_btc : go home BTC 2121
[2025-01-09 20:32:19] HuskySquared : there is no refunds
[2025-01-09 20:32:21] HuskySquared : there is only rekt
[2025-01-09 20:32:39] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/P12sl7KH/ there fixed ew bully wave count
[2025-01-09 20:32:46] TG_ivan_sell_btc : red submarine
[2025-01-09 20:32:55] Grichka : Imagine permabulls buying each dip
[2025-01-09 20:33:05] meltedcheese : 123sb2: dude, I am nowhere near a good trader, but don't panic. And learn about risk management or just invest spot. Don't do crypto if they are too much risky for you. And always remember money can be made again. Best of luck
[2025-01-09 20:33:11] 123sb2 : Bulls please buy more to help me
[2025-01-09 20:33:24] PeacenLuv : pumping
[2025-01-09 20:33:52] TG_ivan_sell_btc : no way pump stop 07/01/2025
[2025-01-09 20:34:07] TrueNet : 123sb2: Are you really seriously in trouble???
[2025-01-09 20:34:23] HuskySquared : all of you will be lol
[2025-01-09 20:34:25] 123sb2 : Yes in trouble I bought at 100000
[2025-01-09 20:34:30] HuskySquared : satan candle is real and can hurt you
[2025-01-09 20:34:33] TG_ivan_sell_btc : 2022 ftx say
[2025-01-09 20:34:55] HuskySquared : everybody is like nah we cant do -30k candle
[2025-01-09 20:34:56] HuskySquared : wait for it
[2025-01-09 20:35:02] HuskySquared : hell candle can happen
[2025-01-09 20:35:06] HuskySquared : and we can still run bull
[2025-01-09 20:35:06] TrueNet : 123sb2: You went all in, as in your whole life???
[2025-01-09 20:35:08] HuskySquared : after it
[2025-01-09 20:35:12] TG_ivan_sell_btc : in 20к упал in 2025 2k
[2025-01-09 20:35:28] meltedcheese : We cant even break 90ks lol
[2025-01-09 20:35:28] 123sb2 : All my cash
[2025-01-09 20:35:37] meltedcheese : Horizontal support is holding again