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[2024-05-12 10:53:27] bnqxbt : bch
[2024-05-12 10:53:55] bnqxbt : it performes 1:1 to btc or better
[2024-05-12 10:54:37] scraps : btch cash no good, roger ver scammer
[2024-05-12 10:55:15] bnqxbt : not emotions, TA
[2024-05-12 10:55:51] ilPanino : jjhiijiji: yes, it will try to push through, it always does, and then we will see the truth of the move. Turn it into a trampoline sir.
[2024-05-12 10:56:26] bnqxbt : every business that are not nonprofit and doo good things are scammers
[2024-05-12 10:56:46] bnqxbt : it's called capitalism
[2024-05-12 10:57:14] bnqxbt : all scam in one way, type or form
[2024-05-12 10:57:43] bnqxbt : not everything that comes out of capitalism is bad, it's not the goal
[2024-05-12 10:59:12] jjhiijiji : why am i still seeing what bnq bot is writing if i muted him yesterday
[2024-05-12 10:59:16] jjhiijiji : ;/
[2024-05-12 10:59:26] jjhiijiji : theres an issue with mute function this happens every now and then
[2024-05-12 11:00:35] jjhiijiji : come on trampoliiiiiine
[2024-05-12 11:00:49] hellomi : /position xbtusdt ``` :bitmex: XBTUSDT: 0.13 XBT @ 61158.137 ```
[2024-05-12 11:01:23] hellomi : 66k incoming
[2024-05-12 11:02:26] ilPanino : jjhiijiji: did you reload the site?
[2024-05-12 11:03:20] ilPanino : market will humble bnqbot in the end and his 3 btcs.
[2024-05-12 11:03:50] jjhiijiji : ilPanino: btw why do use EMA's and not MA's... do bots most commonly use EMAs?
[2024-05-12 11:04:16] jjhiijiji : or have you noticed a lot of activity around MA lines too?
[2024-05-12 11:05:24] ilPanino : jjhiijiji: i just like them, they are slightly more delayed average which buys me that extra time to make a descition
[2024-05-12 11:05:54] ilPanino : bots are using everything from MA, EMA, SMA, SMAA and so on, its when all of them align that we see the bigger moves.
[2024-05-12 11:06:08] jjhiijiji : so you dont think one is more significant than the other due to them being used more often with bot configurations?
[2024-05-12 11:07:01] ilPanino : nah, i have a neutral standpoint on that one.
[2024-05-12 11:07:48] bnqxbt : jjhiijiji: on what fundamental are you trading today?
[2024-05-12 11:08:09] jjhiijiji : bnqxbt: fundamentals havnt changed since yesterday
[2024-05-12 11:08:17] bnqxbt : and those are?
[2024-05-12 11:09:46] jjhiijiji : bnqxbt: QT is tampering down, rate cuts however are delayed. job markets cooling, inflation will probably cool further. QE will set in once cool inflation prints come in and rate cuts start getting prices in properly. RRP (reverse repo) is not depleted but has used up a lot of it already.
[2024-05-12 11:10:00] jjhiijiji : once rate cuts come, printer will statrt going brrr again
[2024-05-12 11:10:15] jjhiijiji : and money will start pouring out of treasuries and into higher risk assets
[2024-05-12 11:10:32] bnqxbt : and once that happens you have missed from here to 100k
[2024-05-12 11:10:45] jjhiijiji : what are you tlaking about im already long
[2024-05-12 11:10:49] jjhiijiji : in anticipation of this happening
[2024-05-12 11:11:02] bnqxbt : ...
[2024-05-12 11:11:05] jjhiijiji : the only way i will go short is if fundamentals change and lets say inflation prints come in hot and rate cuts delayed further
[2024-05-12 11:11:10] bnqxbt : guessing news events
[2024-05-12 11:11:15] jjhiijiji : im not guessing new events\
[2024-05-12 11:11:26] jjhiijiji : im predicting based on the data thats beign released every month
[2024-05-12 11:11:34] jjhiijiji : instead of just trying to predict using imaginary lines
[2024-05-12 11:11:54] jjhiijiji : the price will go to the higher or lower lines based on how fundamentals change or dont change
[2024-05-12 11:12:07] bnqxbt : it is not predictable, because there people making those decisions, you can predict a market if they believe a "sell the news" but usually, like with etf, it never happend.
[2024-05-12 11:12:25] jjhiijiji : jesus christ why didnt the mute function work. and why tf can someone whisper to me if ive muted him
[2024-05-12 11:12:35] jjhiijiji : this guy is a fckin dunce i dnt want him in my trollbox
[2024-05-12 11:13:01] jjhiijiji : i did a second mute, and he can just whuisper to me. WTF IS THE POINT OF MUTE IF HE CAN WHISPER TO ME
[2024-05-12 11:13:07] bnqxbt : you really can't handle reality
[2024-05-12 11:13:17] jjhiijiji : dude, i just dont want ot waste time on ret4rds honestly
[2024-05-12 11:13:30] bnqxbt : well, stop being one
[2024-05-12 11:13:34] jjhiijiji : its frustrating to have to explain sh1t to ret4tds
[2024-05-12 11:13:36] jjhiijiji : u take ur time
[2024-05-12 11:13:38] jjhiijiji : and hten
[2024-05-12 11:13:43] jjhiijiji : they come back wit hthe most ret4rded answer
[2024-05-12 11:13:47] jjhiijiji : and u realised u jsut wasted minuted of ur life
[2024-05-12 11:13:49] jjhiijiji : tlaking to a ret4rd
[2024-05-12 11:14:09] bnqxbt : well, gl with your fundamentals, hope you find good things in the crystal ball.
[2024-05-12 11:14:20] jjhiijiji : @admins can you please fix the mute fucntion so that 1) people dont randomly become unmuted. and 2) people cant whsisper to you when you mute them
[2024-05-12 11:14:25] jjhiijiji : what is this sh!te
[2024-05-12 11:15:09] jjhiijiji : crystal ball he says. im the least 'crystal balling' person in here
[2024-05-12 11:15:20] jjhiijiji : im always the one bashing on others for thinking they hav e acrysal ball
[2024-05-12 11:15:26] jjhiijiji : like you
[2024-05-12 11:15:46] jjhiijiji : muted for the third time now
[2024-05-12 11:15:51] jjhiijiji : please fckin fix the mute function
[2024-05-12 11:16:20] bnqxbt : maybe if the fed makes a decision the mute works
[2024-05-12 11:16:34] bianca22 : morning kids ¡ a gift from me ... technically cpi will miss (down) , and unemployment rate is close to 4% , if jobless keep growing techinically we can have over 4% soon ...
[2024-05-12 11:16:48] bianca22 : you are welcome kids
[2024-05-12 11:16:52] hellomi : Moon incoming
[2024-05-12 11:17:19] jjhiijiji : bianca also knows which data to look at
[2024-05-12 11:17:34] bianca22 : bloomberg terminal boy
[2024-05-12 11:17:38] bianca22 : is a gift
[2024-05-12 11:17:47] jjhiijiji : cpi and job market has been the major focus for a while now
[2024-05-12 11:17:56] bnqxbt : betting on unemployment, cool story, has nothing to do with btc, but still, cool... I saw a red car, betting 50 contracts on doge!
[2024-05-12 11:17:57] jjhiijiji : fed has made this clear for ages
[2024-05-12 11:18:14] jjhiijiji : bnq bot just keeps looking at lines adn thinks this is all bs though for some reason
[2024-05-12 11:18:24] bnqxbt : not one single FED event has done anything to btc this year
[2024-05-12 11:18:37] jjhiijiji : you have bloomberg terminal ? 😢
[2024-05-12 11:18:39] jjhiijiji : for real?
[2024-05-12 11:19:27] jjhiijiji : bianca22: my other bloomberg terminal buddy told me he predicts a slightly hot cpi print though which worried me
[2024-05-12 11:19:41] jjhiijiji : but im feeling almost certain the it actually be a cool one
[2024-05-12 11:19:51] hellomi : 66k?
[2024-05-12 11:19:53] jjhiijiji : in fact i bet most of my margin on it ;<
[2024-05-12 11:21:26] bianca22 : jjhiijiji:
[2024-05-12 11:21:50] bnqxbt : you guys should be trading stock, you have the wrong strat
[2024-05-12 11:22:08] jjhiijiji : bianca22: job markets cooling + cool next cpi print will definitely translate to pamp all around
[2024-05-12 11:22:11] jjhiijiji : and falling dxy
[2024-05-12 11:22:52] bianca22 : the April CPI report due next week will be a "downside surprise" as the lagging OER "crashes" and catches up with real-time metrics...
[2024-05-12 11:22:58] jjhiijiji : cpi hot gonna mean dxy pumps and everyth else is gna to to sh!t when powel comes out and says 'we need to do more to try and get inflation to 2 % blah blah
[2024-05-12 11:23:01] doublecheese : That's it folks. Doublecheese called the bottom again :)
[2024-05-12 11:23:06] bianca22 : check oer chart
[2024-05-12 11:23:20] bluemaster : https://twitter.com/BTC_Archive/status/1789613670722408813
[2024-05-12 11:23:32] bianca22 : "the next 9-12 months rent/OER inflation (43% of CPI basket) will surprise to the downside as it catches down to stale lagged real-time data, even as rents are actually rising right now... but the BLS won't observe this until early 2025."
[2024-05-12 11:23:46] doublecheese : 60200, called few days ago.
[2024-05-12 11:23:57] jjhiijiji : bianca22: <3
[2024-05-12 11:24:14] jjhiijiji : so at one point inflation will probably tick back up slightly
[2024-05-12 11:24:17] bnqxbt : these pundits
[2024-05-12 11:24:20] jjhiijiji : but next print should be cool
[2024-05-12 11:25:03] jjhiijiji : if we get another hot print (after the april cool one) theyre gonna start going on about stagflation
[2024-05-12 11:25:06] jjhiijiji : fed gna become hawkis hagain
[2024-05-12 11:25:21] jjhiijiji : and will be time to short or step out again
[2024-05-12 11:25:34] jjhiijiji : real moon is probably coming next year , not this one
[2024-05-12 11:25:40] bianca22 : i think jackson hole will be the stage for rates cut
[2024-05-12 11:25:46] bnqxbt : cool that btc can tell the future, as it prints the same wave patterns everytime, but still people try to explain why it did this or that
[2024-05-12 11:25:58] bnqxbt : insane
[2024-05-12 11:26:01] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: but, but, stagflation good for bitcoin :arthur: store of value
[2024-05-12 11:26:12] jjhiijiji : bianca22: august?
[2024-05-12 11:26:18] bnqxbt : just watch plan b chart and chill.
[2024-05-12 11:26:18] bianca22 : july
[2024-05-12 11:26:28] jjhiijiji : seems too early
[2024-05-12 11:26:30] jjhiijiji : but i hope ur right
[2024-05-12 11:26:40] jjhiijiji : if ur right this summer is going to pamp hard
[2024-05-12 11:26:42] bnqxbt : turn of the news, tv, bloomberg, and just let it do its thing
[2024-05-12 11:26:44] bianca22 : or jacskon
[2024-05-12 11:28:06] jjhiijiji : yeah.. august. isnt jackson hole always august
[2024-05-12 11:28:07] jjhiijiji : ?
[2024-05-12 11:29:56] bnqxbt : alt market bots running btc rn
[2024-05-12 11:30:22] bnqxbt : always during weekends, watch sol or bch to know where btc goes, because they react first, then btc
[2024-05-12 11:31:32] jjhiijiji : ah ur saying rate cuts could be announced as early as july
[2024-05-12 11:31:38] jjhiijiji : (i highly, highly doubt it)
[2024-05-12 11:31:58] bnqxbt : asia market open is the key here, they will activate buying... then the rest follow
[2024-05-12 11:32:06] jjhiijiji : this would have been the case if not for previous uptick but now theyve been delayed
[2024-05-12 11:34:15] doublecheese : Bottom is in. We won't pump straight away but we bottomed out folks.
[2024-05-12 11:36:13] jjhiijiji : doublecheese: imagine thinking stagflation good for bitcoin :arthur:
[2024-05-12 11:36:23] bianca22 : jjhiijiji: japan , cre , debt , bonds ... all those mofos need rate cut if not we will crash hard
[2024-05-12 11:36:55] jjhiijiji : bianca22: we are entering global cut cycle
[2024-05-12 11:37:04] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: lmao I was being ironic or course. And my bet is we won't have stagflation.
[2024-05-12 11:37:23] jjhiijiji : cycle hasnt even begun yet and bitcoin is already at 60k
[2024-05-12 11:37:29] mr lonely : only up
[2024-05-12 11:37:51] jjhiijiji : US will be likely one of the last to cut
[2024-05-12 11:38:00] bnqxbt : btc wont care about rate cuts
[2024-05-12 11:38:15] jjhiijiji : ECB and BoE will be cutting way sooner
[2024-05-12 11:38:24] doublecheese : bnqxbt: nope, it will.
[2024-05-12 11:38:25] bnqxbt : but, if people have more money, it will only help the inevitable
[2024-05-12 11:38:39] bnqxbt : btc wont go down if there is rate increase
[2024-05-12 11:38:45] doublecheese : bnqxbt: central banks policies affect bitcoin greatly.
[2024-05-12 11:38:54] jjhiijiji : doublecheese: dont even bother with him he doesnt get it
[2024-05-12 11:38:59] bnqxbt : short time frames, yes maybe
[2024-05-12 11:39:06] jjhiijiji : doublecheese: central bank policies affect the overall wider markets, which bitcoin is part of
[2024-05-12 11:39:06] bnqxbt : if you are 10x
[2024-05-12 11:39:09] jjhiijiji : if he cant even understand that
[2024-05-12 11:39:14] jjhiijiji : hes way, way past saving point
[2024-05-12 11:39:55] bluemaster : jjhiijiji: the only way i will go short is if world governments stop printing money 😜
[2024-05-12 11:39:57] bnqxbt : all the facts are out there, the problem with fundamentalists, they don't think any past event is relevant, they don't believe in patterns, or cycles
[2024-05-12 11:41:02] bnqxbt : news can only affect the volatility, the speed of the change, nt the direction
[2024-05-12 11:41:35] bnqxbt : why it's irrelevant
[2024-05-12 11:42:48] bnqxbt : bluemaster: @jjhiijiji is a butterfly in the wind, he is clueless
[2024-05-12 11:45:32] bnqxbt : bluemaster: you are right, unless all of the economics change, btc path is predetermined
[2024-05-12 11:46:45] bnqxbt : you don't need tarot cards or ratecuts, or anything... don't need etf's... btc was going to 200k, is going to, no mater what news. it will go past 200k, no mater the FED decisions, or us implodes, or ww.
[2024-05-12 11:47:20] Joeyy132 : This is going down again
[2024-05-12 11:47:22] Joeyy132 : sub 60k
[2024-05-12 11:47:26] contract details : so 10x long safu here
[2024-05-12 11:47:28] Joeyy132 : Today or tomorrow
[2024-05-12 11:47:28] contract details : ok :pepe:
[2024-05-12 11:47:36] bnqxbt : the only thing is that if we get UBI, and consumerism, and capitalism ends, then btc might collapse.
[2024-05-12 11:47:49] Joeyy132 : A few big short sl got hit
[2024-05-12 11:47:56] Joeyy132 : it can drop now they are out
[2024-05-12 11:48:36] Joeyy132 : Maybe one more spike to 62k to take a few more
[2024-05-12 11:48:40] Joeyy132 : then it’s 58k
[2024-05-12 11:48:59] mr lonely : direct stop 84k
[2024-05-12 11:50:46] bnqxbt : only way btc does not hit 1million, is if you remove the need for wealth
[2024-05-12 11:54:11] doublecheese : Joeyy132: sorry man, we likely bottomed out :) been calling 60200 bottom for days
[2024-05-12 11:55:25] scraps : i reckon its going up
[2024-05-12 11:55:37] scraps : https://ibb.co/jDgzDfC
[2024-05-12 11:58:01] bnqxbt : 61700
[2024-05-12 11:58:48] scraps : 63k
[2024-05-12 11:59:00] bnqxbt : one res at a time
[2024-05-12 11:59:09] scraps : first 60,500
[2024-05-12 12:03:21] scraps : $61,161 then 61,500, then 63k.. last post mistake lmao
[2024-05-12 12:04:21] scraps : we aren;t going down this is the floor of next local leg up
[2024-05-12 12:04:34] scraps : in this trading channel
[2024-05-12 12:05:13] doublecheese : scraps: I agree. Bottom is in.
[2024-05-12 12:05:47] scraps : for short term, need a good daily close and it could really run
[2024-05-12 12:06:39] doublecheese : scraps:even if it closes right this is super bullish. As long as we are above 100ema.
[2024-05-12 12:06:42] scraps : anyone up for hunting some short stops? trigger some liq's... get paid $_$
[2024-05-12 12:07:48] jjhiijiji : bluemaster: u cant stop printing if you want to keep the ponzi alive sir
[2024-05-12 12:07:57] jjhiijiji : they will stop printing when the world ends
[2024-05-12 12:09:15] jjhiijiji : gna take kids to the forest for a walk back in a couple hours
[2024-05-12 12:17:52] Hedwig : Pump time 🚀🚀🚀 80K this week
[2024-05-12 12:18:06] GoldFish79 : 🙈🙉🙊
[2024-05-12 12:19:45] RealBawlOfLasagna : 🐳🌊
[2024-05-12 12:22:37] PeacenLuv : bully btc goin up
[2024-05-12 12:23:50] PeacenLuv : btc no more dipz
[2024-05-12 12:24:29] scraps : ahh my number 1 fan
[2024-05-12 12:24:46] PeacenLuv : scraps: here
[2024-05-12 12:24:47] scraps : it could happen big candle anytime
[2024-05-12 12:25:03] PeacenLuv : big 1 overdue bully btc
[2024-05-12 12:25:36] PeacenLuv : godzella rella candeleroannee btc
[2024-05-12 12:25:41] scraps : first will take it to 61.5k, next big candle takes it to 63k and takes out billions in stops
[2024-05-12 12:26:21] mr lonely : direct 84k
[2024-05-12 12:26:29] mr lonely : no more 60k
[2024-05-12 12:26:58] scraps : we might touch on 60,078 before this next leg of the channel/and or breakout, or not
[2024-05-12 12:27:21] Hedwig : I think we'll see a pulse wave to clear out all the liquidity, up to 80, down to 50 then back to around the current level. Just my two cents
[2024-05-12 12:27:41] mr lonely : direct 84k
[2024-05-12 12:28:03] mr lonely : boom
[2024-05-12 12:29:16] scraps : this is true bottom area right around here
[2024-05-12 12:30:14] scraps : charts scream it this is it guise
[2024-05-12 12:33:07] ilPanino : bulls trapped, less go bears, push push, you know you can do it. All in shorts for maximum losses sirs.
[2024-05-12 12:33:45] mr lonely : bull rocks
[2024-05-12 12:33:50] doublecheese : UNDUMPABLE
[2024-05-12 12:36:54] scraps : this is the new bottom of this channel
[2024-05-12 12:38:25] doublecheese : scraps: higher low is now clearer and clearer. Lower high means end of downtrend.
[2024-05-12 12:38:35] scraps : some consolidation right now
[2024-05-12 12:38:46] scraps : we move real soon, reeeal fast
[2024-05-12 12:38:55] doublecheese : Higher low I mean*.
[2024-05-12 12:39:08] scraps : yes, yes it is
[2024-05-12 12:39:54] scraps : i hope everyones got their dry powder ready, stick em with the post only orders
[2024-05-12 12:42:59] Sir.LongCorn : bullcorn about to pop
[2024-05-12 12:50:06] Hedwig : here we go.. I think.. maybe lol
[2024-05-12 12:50:08] bob12314 : ☺️
[2024-05-12 12:51:50] scraps : 61,161 we fly
[2024-05-12 12:52:01] scraps : toda mo0n
[2024-05-12 12:52:26] scraps : thats the signal
[2024-05-12 12:52:29] scraps : magic number
[2024-05-12 12:53:11] scraps : LETS GO BOIS
[2024-05-12 12:53:28] bob12314 : always 61k, no change😴
[2024-05-12 12:53:33] scraps : scared market selling shorts
[2024-05-12 12:53:55] scraps : same action as after last significant drop couple days ago
[2024-05-12 12:53:55] bob12314 : try pepe dude
[2024-05-12 12:54:07] scraps : consolidation, accumulation
[2024-05-12 12:54:15] scraps : build steam
[2024-05-12 12:54:37] contract details : no touching? :pepe:
[2024-05-12 12:54:38] scraps : think like.. a sling shot
[2024-05-12 12:54:51] scraps : maybe more like a potato cannon this time
[2024-05-12 12:55:00] scraps : no homo
[2024-05-12 12:55:27] scraps : in b4 fomo
[2024-05-12 12:55:44] scraps : i feel it....
[2024-05-12 12:56:37] scraps : sellers tiring
[2024-05-12 12:56:49] scraps : cant fight it just wants to run
[2024-05-12 12:58:44] scraps : ultra short term target hit
[2024-05-12 12:58:55] scraps : next up 61,200
[2024-05-12 12:59:01] scraps : easy test
[2024-05-12 13:02:04] scraps : next magic number = $61,357
[2024-05-12 13:02:39] bob12314 : ☺️
[2024-05-12 13:03:08] scraps : Bitfinex $61,300
[2024-05-12 13:03:45] scraps : Lets go bois
[2024-05-12 13:05:03] bob12314 : where are u from man
[2024-05-12 13:05:07] bob12314 : 😃
[2024-05-12 13:05:44] mr lonely : next 84k
[2024-05-12 13:05:50] mr lonely : boom
[2024-05-12 13:06:09] scraps : 1 step at a time loney one
[2024-05-12 13:06:58] scraps : do 30 trades along the way = be very wealthy
[2024-05-12 13:07:58] scraps : everybody doing the 61k, its the latest craze
[2024-05-12 13:08:31] scraps : pegged em, good guys
[2024-05-12 13:10:43] scraps : more pegs longs
[2024-05-12 13:11:02] scraps : post only for long, get paid
[2024-05-12 13:11:19] scraps : lock shorts out they pay you to cover
[2024-05-12 13:12:56] scraps : shorts have lost this battle every time along the way
[2024-05-12 13:13:28] bob12314 : BTC seems to be asleep
[2024-05-12 13:13:32] bob12314 : 😴
[2024-05-12 13:13:50] scraps : yes, smart longs getting paid
[2024-05-12 13:14:41] doublecheese : Beras need to break below 60500 to have a say in this. Until proven wrong, this is an higher low hence a bottom.
[2024-05-12 13:15:09] scraps : ^_^
[2024-05-12 13:16:20] bob12314 : 😋
[2024-05-12 13:18:22] scraps : looks like it could be a new floor in the channel, ranging real tight
[2024-05-12 13:25:18] Bubblemania : This range was bottom on1 and 20 March, 13 April, now seems flipping to resistance
[2024-05-12 13:46:49] bnqxbt : cheat sheet https://www.tradingview.com/x/avI4MJkU/
[2024-05-12 13:48:34] PrinterMan : arthur if you are real g make it pump 3k
[2024-05-12 13:49:56] Dessos : >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zunuFhb28Wc https://www.tradingview.com/x/m2HLwONX/
[2024-05-12 13:55:02] GoldFish79 : 💦 :me: 💦
[2024-05-12 14:00:25] bnqxbt : :rocket:
[2024-05-12 14:00:41] Dario2 : :rocket:
[2024-05-12 14:01:31] Sir.LongCorn : pulp it
[2024-05-12 14:02:43] bnqxbt : scam wick potential at 61500
[2024-05-12 14:02:56] bnqxbt : rejection I mean
[2024-05-12 14:03:27] bluemaster : bnqxbt: 161500
[2024-05-12 14:03:48] bluemaster : 😎
[2024-05-12 14:03:53] bnqxbt : yes pls
[2024-05-12 14:03:55] bluemaster : /position xbtk24 ``` :bitmex: XBTK24: 128,300 USD @ 69583.6117 ```
[2024-05-12 14:04:30] bnqxbt : you are not opening anything here?
[2024-05-12 14:04:39] scraps : /position xbtusdt ``` :bitmex: XBTUSDT: 0.257 XBT @ 60760.241 ```
[2024-05-12 14:05:53] bnqxbt : weekend PA is the worst, low volume, no traction
[2024-05-12 14:06:10] scraps : looks fine to me
[2024-05-12 14:06:51] PrinterMan : bluemaster: so ur down like 15.5k
[2024-05-12 14:07:21] bnqxbt : PrinterMan: irrelevant
[2024-05-12 14:07:41] hellomi : 👻
[2024-05-12 14:07:42] bluemaster : PrinterMan: Yes on this position but closed 6.8 btc profit on xbteur and xbtm24
[2024-05-12 14:08:05] PrinterMan : nice
[2024-05-12 14:08:05] bnqxbt : also soon it's in profit too
[2024-05-12 14:08:32] bnqxbt : who cares about the days when it's not when the maturing and closing point is what matters
[2024-05-12 14:09:13] PrinterMan : for sure
[2024-05-12 14:09:58] hellomi : When lambo?
[2024-05-12 14:10:05] bluemaster : scraps: I am surprised you are trading btc vs tether
[2024-05-12 14:10:11] bnqxbt : when markets open
[2024-05-12 14:10:33] PrinterMan : 7hish
[2024-05-12 14:10:36] scraps : i know right, i dislike it
[2024-05-12 14:10:45] bnqxbt : very bearish to long btcfor more usdt
[2024-05-12 14:10:46] bluemaster : /pnl xbtk24 @PrinterMan ``` :bitmex: XBTK24: 0.0006 XBT RPNL, -0.2326 XBT UPNL ```
[2024-05-12 14:10:56] scraps : tether is scammy, bad for crypto
[2024-05-12 14:11:12] bnqxbt : why not just trade btc for more btc
[2024-05-12 14:11:36] bnqxbt : or is it the 250x
[2024-05-12 14:11:48] PrinterMan : bluemaster: we're all gonna make it
[2024-05-12 14:12:14] bluemaster : PrinterMan: I already done it mate , now just managing what I have
[2024-05-12 14:12:15] scraps : but its basically so mex can trade coin prices without losing their physical coin, rather you borrow it on leverage with worthless coin
[2024-05-12 14:13:12] scraps : think of them like trolley tokens,, you can put $2 in trolley, or use a 50 cent token with no value
[2024-05-12 14:15:03] bnqxbt : all stocks in stockmarket are worthless, but as long as people trade them, they have value, ponzi value if you so wish
[2024-05-12 14:15:31] bnqxbt : usdt has value, until it's not tradable anymore
[2024-05-12 14:15:53] bnqxbt : damn this pump breakout is taking forever
[2024-05-12 14:16:29] scraps : longs are full beastmode on depthchart
[2024-05-12 14:21:55] Eluus : /position xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: 1,300,000 USD @ 62459.4014 ```
[2024-05-12 14:22:08] Eluus : /pnl xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: -0.0335 XBT RPNL, -0.4194 XBT UPNL ```
[2024-05-12 14:22:13] scraps : /position xbtusdt ``` :bitmex: XBTUSDT: 0.257 XBT @ 60760.241 ```
[2024-05-12 14:22:24] bluemaster : this is easy to trade vs this stupid algo driven price action https://www.tradingview.com/x/PLI1EkVB/
[2024-05-12 14:22:31] Eluus : ew usdt collateral
[2024-05-12 14:22:34] Eluus : why you so short?
[2024-05-12 14:22:52] jjhiijiji : usd colalteral on short gives u way lower liq
[2024-05-12 14:23:00] jjhiijiji : cause ur margin value doesnt decrease while u drop ;/
[2024-05-12 14:23:19] scraps : eluus are you the new york lawyer from back at the 10k run?
[2024-05-12 14:23:19] bluemaster : https://www.tradingview.com/x/lRdKT8n9/
[2024-05-12 14:23:33] scraps : or lawyer somewhere
[2024-05-12 14:23:37] jjhiijiji : doesnt it?
[2024-05-12 14:23:41] jjhiijiji : i think it must right?
[2024-05-12 14:23:47] Eluus : scraps: no
[2024-05-12 14:23:50] scraps : k
[2024-05-12 14:23:50] Eluus : jjhiijiji: not really
[2024-05-12 14:23:51] jjhiijiji : i know on longs for sure ur liq is way lower on usdt
[2024-05-12 14:23:53] jjhiijiji : i tried it
[2024-05-12 14:23:58] jjhiijiji : Eluus: yes, really
[2024-05-12 14:24:03] jjhiijiji : i even checked now
[2024-05-12 14:24:16] jjhiijiji : ur liq is way lower when u long on usdt vs btcusd
[2024-05-12 14:24:17] Eluus : jjhiijiji: yeah it is but practically isn't
[2024-05-12 14:24:26] jjhiijiji : what do you mean
[2024-05-12 14:24:31] jjhiijiji : it either is or isnt
[2024-05-12 14:24:37] jjhiijiji : it actually is though
[2024-05-12 14:24:39] Eluus : for example, I can have 1000 usdt as collateral
[2024-05-12 14:24:52] Eluus : or I can just open my position 1000 less
[2024-05-12 14:24:56] Eluus : it's the same
[2024-05-12 14:25:09] jjhiijiji : or 1000usdt worth of bitcoin, which if btc drops 20% is now only worth 800 usdt to cover the margin
[2024-05-12 14:25:17] jjhiijiji : to cover the pos i mean
[2024-05-12 14:25:22] jjhiijiji : it brings ur liq way higher
[2024-05-12 14:25:31] jjhiijiji : u can try it now and see press open ops on both contracts
[2024-05-12 14:25:36] jjhiijiji : usdt significantly lower than btcusd
[2024-05-12 14:25:50] jjhiijiji : press onl ong where it shows you preview of liq price and u can see it
[2024-05-12 14:26:07] jjhiijiji : however
[2024-05-12 14:26:10] jjhiijiji : when you win on the long
[2024-05-12 14:26:13] jjhiijiji : you make more on btcusd
[2024-05-12 14:26:21] jjhiijiji : cause ur margin value increases
[2024-05-12 14:26:26] jjhiijiji : plus whatever profut u made
[2024-05-12 14:26:29] jjhiijiji : increases in value also
[2024-05-12 14:26:36] Eluus : yeah
[2024-05-12 14:26:40] jjhiijiji : so btcusdt will give u more overall winnings on a long
[2024-05-12 14:26:43] jjhiijiji : but ur liq level is higher up
[2024-05-12 14:26:48] jjhiijiji : on btcusd
[2024-05-12 14:26:55] jjhiijiji : not btcusd*
[2024-05-12 14:27:00] jjhiijiji : btcusdt*
[2024-05-12 14:27:01] jjhiijiji : lel
[2024-05-12 14:27:15] jjhiijiji : so to be clear - USDT = less gains but lower liq
[2024-05-12 14:27:22] jjhiijiji : BTCUSD = more gains bus lower liq (safer)
[2024-05-12 14:27:46] jjhiijiji : i opted for safety and lower liq so i also went for usdt
[2024-05-12 14:28:16] Eluus : your usdt collateral also loses value in btc terms as btc price increases
[2024-05-12 14:28:31] Eluus : I mean, why keep usd anyway?
[2024-05-12 14:28:44] jjhiijiji : it was just for the sake of having a lower liq
[2024-05-12 14:28:47] jjhiijiji : thats it
[2024-05-12 14:28:49] Eluus : keeping usd is practically shorting btc
[2024-05-12 14:29:05] jjhiijiji : well no not if u are above 1x
[2024-05-12 14:29:06] bluemaster : Eluus: +1
[2024-05-12 14:29:11] jjhiijiji : thats just silly
[2024-05-12 14:29:18] jjhiijiji : if ur long is 5x lets say...
[2024-05-12 14:29:21] jjhiijiji : long on btc
[2024-05-12 14:29:22] Eluus : so you shouldn't compate same position sizes for a xbtusd and xbtusdt
[2024-05-12 14:29:23] jjhiijiji : u arent shorting btc lol
[2024-05-12 14:29:34] Eluus : compare*
[2024-05-12 14:29:41] migozelaaa : Eluus: ouch
[2024-05-12 14:29:47] jjhiijiji : dude the asked why use usdt
[2024-05-12 14:29:49] jjhiijiji : i gave u rthe reason
[2024-05-12 14:29:50] jjhiijiji : lower liq
[2024-05-12 14:29:58] jjhiijiji : why are u compplaining now that im comparing
[2024-05-12 14:30:01] bluemaster : jjhiijiji: Eluus is correct ,think about it
[2024-05-12 14:30:02] Eluus : and I am telling you why it doesn't make sense
[2024-05-12 14:30:11] Eluus : and why you can't compare
[2024-05-12 14:30:27] Eluus : take a pen and a paper
[2024-05-12 14:30:43] Eluus : and calculate the exact amount of btc you end up with on a long position
[2024-05-12 14:30:49] Eluus : with your usdt collateral
[2024-05-12 14:31:05] jjhiijiji : yes ,i make monet off a long , which allows me to buy more btc than i initially could before the pos
[2024-05-12 14:31:05] Eluus : and with your btc collateral
[2024-05-12 14:31:09] jjhiijiji : so no, im not essentially shorting btc
[2024-05-12 14:31:12] jjhiijiji : unless im under 1x
[2024-05-12 14:31:23] jjhiijiji : i know what u mean
[2024-05-12 14:31:25] jjhiijiji : you make LESS
[2024-05-12 14:31:30] jjhiijiji : than you would with btc as margin
[2024-05-12 14:31:33] Eluus : maybe you should compare a 3 times bigger position on xbtusdt than xbtusd
[2024-05-12 14:31:34] jjhiijiji : but not SHORT on btc lol
[2024-05-12 14:31:52] jjhiijiji : bah... ok dude. look if u dont wanna just take the point of why smeone would use usdt for lower liq
[2024-05-12 14:31:55] jjhiijiji : dont go off on a tangent
[2024-05-12 14:31:57] jjhiijiji : its fine
[2024-05-12 14:32:00] jjhiijiji : u do what u do
[2024-05-12 14:32:18] jjhiijiji : and no, you are not short on btc if u long more than 1x on usdt. thats just silly
[2024-05-12 14:32:27] jjhiijiji : its like saying smeone with a btc spot buy would make more than you
[2024-05-12 14:32:31] jjhiijiji : which just isnt true if you are over 1x
[2024-05-12 14:32:41] jjhiijiji : fckin hell so rare to find people who can do highscool maths in this trollbox
[2024-05-12 14:32:43] jjhiijiji : rediculous
[2024-05-12 14:33:02] Eluus : of course you're not "short" on an exchange
[2024-05-12 14:33:10] Eluus : you're being ridiculous
[2024-05-12 14:33:23] Eluus : you're short on your prospects about bitcoin price
[2024-05-12 14:33:25] jjhiijiji : ur telling me that longing on usdt on higher than 1x is essentially shorting
[2024-05-12 14:33:28] jjhiijiji : and im being rediculous?
[2024-05-12 14:33:34] jjhiijiji : even asking me to calculate it on paper???
[2024-05-12 14:33:35] bluemaster : jjhiijiji: if you have now $61115 in usdt you are short 1 btc
[2024-05-12 14:33:36] jjhiijiji : come on....
[2024-05-12 14:33:48] jjhiijiji : bluemaster: yes sure. NOT IF YOU ARE LONG MORE THAN 1X THOUGH I SAID
[2024-05-12 14:33:51] jjhiijiji : jesus christ
[2024-05-12 14:33:52] scraps : Hi im new, what do i do with the flag?
[2024-05-12 14:33:55] Eluus : jjhiijiji: you're trying hard now not to understand the point
[2024-05-12 14:33:55] jjhiijiji : can you guys not read?
[2024-05-12 14:34:06] jjhiijiji : if you are just holding usdt of course you are short on btc ;/
[2024-05-12 14:35:00] Eluus : if you have 61120 usd and 61120 long it's like you have 1 bitcoin but you can never get liquidated congrats
[2024-05-12 14:35:16] jjhiijiji : i said OVER 1 X
[2024-05-12 14:35:17] Eluus : but you're not long
[2024-05-12 14:35:17] jjhiijiji : DIDNT I ELLUS
[2024-05-12 14:35:22] jjhiijiji : jesus christ
[2024-05-12 14:35:26] jjhiijiji : fckin cant even read these kunts
[2024-05-12 14:35:34] jjhiijiji : its ok dude just do ur thing
[2024-05-12 14:35:34] jjhiijiji : ignore me
[2024-05-12 14:35:35] jjhiijiji : please
[2024-05-12 14:35:38] Eluus : so you need to subtract the amount you hold in collateral from the position size
[2024-05-12 14:35:46] Eluus : when you're comparing the positions
[2024-05-12 14:35:54] NOOM : 🚀🚀🚀
[2024-05-12 14:36:12] Dario2 : 🚀🚀🚀
[2024-05-12 14:36:16] Eluus : even if you compare the positions after subtracting your usdt collateral, you won't profit as much as the btc collateral position
[2024-05-12 14:36:23] jjhiijiji : yes Eluus
[2024-05-12 14:36:28] jjhiijiji : i said in the very beginnin
[2024-05-12 14:36:30] jjhiijiji : GAINS MORE ON BTCUSD
[2024-05-12 14:36:33] jjhiijiji : LESS ON USDT
[2024-05-12 14:36:39] jjhiijiji : we established this ages ago
[2024-05-12 14:36:56] jjhiijiji : its one of the very first things i said when isaid - to be clear
[2024-05-12 14:37:09] jjhiijiji : less though NOT equivalent to being short.
[2024-05-12 14:37:13] jjhiijiji : thats just sillyness
[2024-05-12 14:37:15] Eluus : so if you have 10000 contract long on xbtusd, what is the equvalent position size of a xbtusdt positiion?
[2024-05-12 14:37:34] Eluus : to compare profit wise
[2024-05-12 14:37:41] jjhiijiji : what are you trying to prove, i already srtated ages ago that btcusd gets you more
[2024-05-12 14:37:46] jjhiijiji : but that btcusdt give u lower liq
[2024-05-12 14:37:51] jjhiijiji : is there somwething you disagree with here???
[2024-05-12 14:37:58] jjhiijiji : cause if there is,,, christ
[2024-05-12 14:38:07] Eluus : you can't just compare liquidation prices of positions that have different reward posibilities
[2024-05-12 14:38:09] jjhiijiji : and the whole hting started when i pointed the lower liq level
[2024-05-12 14:38:15] jjhiijiji : but YOU asked
[2024-05-12 14:38:18] jjhiijiji : WHY would someone use usdt
[2024-05-12 14:38:21] jjhiijiji : and i told you I USE it for that purpose
[2024-05-12 14:38:23] Eluus : calm down
[2024-05-12 14:38:24] jjhiijiji : wtf are you on about comparing
[2024-05-12 14:38:44] jjhiijiji : fckin crazy kunts just deflected and going on tangents when theyre confronted with an answer instead of just saying 'ok sir, makes sense'
[2024-05-12 14:38:48] Eluus : I'm trying to show it to you that you don't really get any advantage regarding liquidation price
[2024-05-12 14:38:51] jjhiijiji : sad tactics
[2024-05-12 14:38:55] jjhiijiji : when conversing with smeone
[2024-05-12 14:38:56] Kecka67 : men stop being children
[2024-05-12 14:39:17] Eluus : jjhiijiji: what tactics? you're getting mad for no reason
[2024-05-12 14:39:20] jjhiijiji : you do get an advantage of lower liqs
[2024-05-12 14:39:23] Eluus : I am just talking about the math here
[2024-05-12 14:39:26] jjhiijiji : u just sacrifice higher profits
[2024-05-12 14:39:33] Eluus : that doesn't make sense
[2024-05-12 14:39:49] Eluus : you risk less for less reward
[2024-05-12 14:39:53] jjhiijiji : yes
[2024-05-12 14:39:56] jjhiijiji : LESS RISK LESS REWARD
[2024-05-12 14:39:59] jjhiijiji : thats very, very commo
[2024-05-12 14:40:00] jjhiijiji : n
[2024-05-12 14:40:05] Eluus : you need to compare positions that have the same reward
[2024-05-12 14:40:08] jjhiijiji : high risk, high reward, lower risk, lower reward
[2024-05-12 14:40:10] jjhiijiji : this is how it goes
[2024-05-12 14:40:32] jjhiijiji : who tf ever said u need to compare positions with same reward? we are comparing two positions opening worth exact same contract value i was assuming
[2024-05-12 14:40:33] Kecka67 : so when is it not gambaling?
[2024-05-12 14:40:39] jjhiijiji : in usdt and btcusd
[2024-05-12 14:40:46] jjhiijiji : now if you wanna go around and adjust it based on potential gains
[2024-05-12 14:40:48] jjhiijiji : thats a different story
[2024-05-12 14:40:56] Eluus : so instead of opening 10000 long, I can open 2500 long and I will get lower liquidation price, what's the advantage here?
[2024-05-12 14:40:58] jjhiijiji : but when smeone asks 'why open with usdt rather than btc'
[2024-05-12 14:41:07] jjhiijiji : u can say 'well ull get a lower liq with usdt'
[2024-05-12 14:41:10] jjhiijiji : but less gains
[2024-05-12 14:41:12] jjhiijiji : thats it
[2024-05-12 14:41:22] Eluus : yes but it doens't make sense
[2024-05-12 14:41:25] jjhiijiji : but people here just have to be smartasses going on tangents instead of recognizing a basic thing
[2024-05-12 14:41:31] jjhiijiji : and saying 'yes ok'
[2024-05-12 14:41:39] Eluus : you can just open a smaller position on xbtusd
[2024-05-12 14:41:54] Eluus : what's the advantage of having usdt collateral?
[2024-05-12 14:42:16] bluemaster : “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” ― Mark Twain
[2024-05-12 14:42:17] Eluus : there is no FKING advantege
[2024-05-12 14:42:22] jjhiijiji : do you guys have such a massive ego that you need to win an off tangent arguement because you didnt see something to start with that might have made you look bad? if you are not an insecure perosn, you could just accept the facts for what they are and forget going on these random tangents
[2024-05-12 14:42:30] Dario2 : bluemaster: +1
[2024-05-12 14:42:34] Eluus : jjhiijiji: it's you with the ego issues
[2024-05-12 14:42:43] jjhiijiji : dude, if i was to open a pos RIGHT NOW
[2024-05-12 14:42:46] Kecka67 : reeee reeeee reeee
[2024-05-12 14:42:47] jjhiijiji : with usdt or btcusd
[2024-05-12 14:42:55] jjhiijiji : what is the difference if a noob asks you
[2024-05-12 14:43:07] Eluus : and I will answer:
[2024-05-12 14:43:19] jjhiijiji : ur going to warn him abt btc giving u a higher liq level but higher gains
[2024-05-12 14:43:20] Eluus : there's no advantage of having usdt collateral
[2024-05-12 14:43:26] Kecka67 : boys im in the neg helpppp
[2024-05-12 14:43:29] jjhiijiji : the advantage is having a lower liq point
[2024-05-12 14:43:30] jjhiijiji : ffs
[2024-05-12 14:43:36] jjhiijiji : how is that no adantage
[2024-05-12 14:43:37] Eluus : just open a smaller position for lower liq price
[2024-05-12 14:43:43] Eluus : on xbtusd
[2024-05-12 14:43:51] Eluus : there's no FKING ADVANTAGE
[2024-05-12 14:43:57] Eluus : having usdt as collateral
[2024-05-12 14:44:05] jjhiijiji : dude ur adding a whole new thing to id
[2024-05-12 14:44:09] jjhiijiji : where u open larger or smaller pos
[2024-05-12 14:44:11] jjhiijiji : to balance out the liq
[2024-05-12 14:44:16] jjhiijiji : wtf
[2024-05-12 14:44:19] jjhiijiji : the STRAIGHT answer
[2024-05-12 14:44:22] jjhiijiji : without having to fckin chane anth
[2024-05-12 14:44:25] Eluus : no you're just trying hard not to understand
[2024-05-12 14:44:29] jjhiijiji : bah
[2024-05-12 14:44:33] jjhiijiji : ok sure thing bud
[2024-05-12 14:44:39] jjhiijiji : carry on
[2024-05-12 14:44:51] Kecka67 : roger that
[2024-05-12 14:44:59] Eluus : having usdt as collateral is no different than opening a smaller position on xbtusd