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[2024-05-10 17:49:33] Joeyy132 : ilPanino: true
[2024-05-10 17:50:31] jjhiijiji : just gonna let it ride
[2024-05-10 17:50:38] ilPanino : sometimes it is almost like market makers knows what they are doing.
[2024-05-10 17:50:58] ilPanino : lets see if my playroom for my SL is enough, they are coming for me now.
[2024-05-10 17:51:19] jjhiijiji : or i could close here like 2500 loss, but i already made 1k on this trade and aroound 600 from short hedges
[2024-05-10 17:51:25] jjhiijiji : so it i close now i dont actually lose that much
[2024-05-10 17:51:32] jjhiijiji : /pnl btcusdt ``` :bitmex: XBTUSDT: 905.28 USDT RPNL, -2,676.73 USDT UPNL ```
[2024-05-10 17:51:33] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 17700 USD @ 60222
[2024-05-10 17:51:37] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSDT`: Sell 0.0040 XBT @ 60225.4 ($240.87) - 🐳
[2024-05-10 17:51:54] jjhiijiji : if i close now i probably lose around 1k total
[2024-05-10 17:51:57] jjhiijiji : not too bad
[2024-05-10 17:52:22] Joeyy132 : ilPanino: they just let the orders build up. Then make the switch
[2024-05-10 17:52:45] ilPanino : Joeyy132: hahaha, yea im playing with fire here.
[2024-05-10 17:53:14] Joeyy132 : I like playing with fire
[2024-05-10 17:53:19] Joeyy132 : Always have
[2024-05-10 17:53:34] jjhiijiji : 100MA on daily shouldnt be nothing ;/ if this doesnt bounce ill be extremely dissappointed
[2024-05-10 17:53:50] PunkJunk : 🚀🚀🚀™️🚀🚀🚀™️🚀🚀🚀™️
[2024-05-10 17:53:57] ilPanino : i dont use the 100 ma.
[2024-05-10 17:54:17] blaster33 : that was so weak to the upside, i hoped to get my shorts filled up to 68k
[2024-05-10 17:54:43] jjhiijiji : ilPanino: is it the 200 on the 12h were just above then?
[2024-05-10 17:54:44] ilPanino : yeah i was also looking at the 67k zone for possible TP and then short.
[2024-05-10 17:55:13] ilPanino : jjhiijiji: yes it is
[2024-05-10 17:55:19] KeepItSimple : could bounce at 59k
[2024-05-10 17:55:20] KeepItSimple : https://www.tradingview.com/x/TwKKnUVm/
[2024-05-10 17:55:20] Joeyy132 : After this drop nothing is worth shorting. It’s up only once this drop is done. There is 0% chance we don’t hit 73k again
[2024-05-10 17:55:25] ilPanino : which would translate into 100 daily. :kek:
[2024-05-10 17:55:33] jjhiijiji : ah yeah
[2024-05-10 17:55:35] jjhiijiji : lol
[2024-05-10 17:55:52] jjhiijiji : so you do use the 100s ;)
[2024-05-10 17:56:01] blaster33 : ilPanino: ye i had shorts laddered between 65.5 and 68, atleast i got 1 filled :arthur:
[2024-05-10 17:56:07] PeacenLuv : you peeps see ronnees aktion?
[2024-05-10 17:56:07] PeacenLuv : shud be yurz
[2024-05-10 17:56:08] ilPanino : indirectly, but not for the timeframe i look at.
[2024-05-10 17:56:15] PeacenLuv : buy everyyy dipp
[2024-05-10 17:56:33] jjhiijiji : im seriously pondering to close my long but i feel ret4rded cause were right at the bottom of the bloody channel lol
[2024-05-10 17:56:49] jjhiijiji : all this fckin doom and bloom got be worried
[2024-05-10 17:56:54] jjhiijiji : gloom*
[2024-05-10 17:57:11] Joeyy132 : jjhiijiji: pray for another fake bounce here you will probably get one
[2024-05-10 17:57:11] PeacenLuv : i may trade ronnee indikator longz btc in future system ill adopt iut at least
[2024-05-10 17:57:26] PeacenLuv : hes on it
[2024-05-10 17:57:32] Joeyy132 : Back to 62k area
[2024-05-10 17:57:47] Joeyy132 : Then quickly to 58
[2024-05-10 17:58:01] PeacenLuv : btc 77k 88k
[2024-05-10 17:58:21] PeacenLuv : heyy its flyday usd feds cmon everyonez on base
[2024-05-10 17:58:42] Joeyy132 : After the blow off it’s gonna bearmarket next 10 years
[2024-05-10 17:59:04] PeacenLuv : munneez made to spend load btc like
[2024-05-10 17:59:17] jjhiijiji : a bounce here would be way too bullish for me to close at 62k
[2024-05-10 17:59:31] Joeyy132 : jjhiijiji: if it rejects at 62
[2024-05-10 17:59:48] Joeyy132 : You can get out then
[2024-05-10 17:59:54] jjhiijiji : if there a clear rejection ill consider it yeah
[2024-05-10 17:59:55] PeacenLuv : with bearz itz like sanity vs motives both in same boat not mine
[2024-05-10 18:00:07] jjhiijiji : but we might just drop from here
[2024-05-10 18:00:07] jjhiijiji : ;/
[2024-05-10 18:00:58] jjhiijiji : another option is closing like 1/3 of the pos and losing the 900 profit ive already realize
[2024-05-10 18:01:10] jjhiijiji : and maybe average out lower
[2024-05-10 18:01:42] jjhiijiji : its a bit sh!t here though cause wee literally at the fckin bottom that might hold
[2024-05-10 18:01:53] ilPanino : jjhiijiji: 618 of the pump is slightly below us...
[2024-05-10 18:02:07] jjhiijiji : ilPanino: yeah
[2024-05-10 18:02:15] ilPanino : 59940
[2024-05-10 18:02:26] jjhiijiji : so feels a bit silly to close here
[2024-05-10 18:02:32] ilPanino : but its a zone so its wide.
[2024-05-10 18:03:16] ilPanino : pretending to bounce from slightly above it is a bull trap in the lows.
[2024-05-10 18:03:58] ilPanino : i just closed my long, i cannot just sit here and slowly die, i need to make foods. :)
[2024-05-10 18:04:04] Joeyy132 : jjhiijiji: My guys telling me fake bounce here so I think you’re ok for now
[2024-05-10 18:04:04] ilPanino : now it can bounce in peace.
[2024-05-10 18:04:17] Joeyy132 : *guts
[2024-05-10 18:04:22] ilPanino : no panino to hunt anymore.
[2024-05-10 18:04:36] Joeyy132 : I just closed my shirt
[2024-05-10 18:04:54] ilPanino : good idea, hide those manboobs pls.
[2024-05-10 18:05:00] jjhiijiji : :ppp
[2024-05-10 18:05:06] Joeyy132 : ilPanino: what the fkkk
[2024-05-10 18:05:17] Joeyy132 : U got eyes on me?
[2024-05-10 18:05:24] jjhiijiji : well u did have ur shirt open
[2024-05-10 18:05:26] ilPanino : Joeyy132: :kek:
[2024-05-10 18:05:27] jjhiijiji : ;<
[2024-05-10 18:05:57] Joeyy132 : Siting in garrdem with ma pecs out innit
[2024-05-10 18:05:58] ilPanino : the difference a tiny letter in a word can do.
[2024-05-10 18:06:18] Joeyy132 : It’s nice and sunny in london
[2024-05-10 18:06:21] Joeyy132 : niracle
[2024-05-10 18:07:00] jjhiijiji : landan
[2024-05-10 18:07:01] ilPanino : see, seee, this is what happens when panino chickens out!
[2024-05-10 18:07:14] ilPanino : fomo in and chicken out never a good combo.
[2024-05-10 18:07:33] Joeyy132 : ilPanino: never
[2024-05-10 18:07:48] jjhiijiji : if we pamp to 69k im giving joey 20 dollars
[2024-05-10 18:07:53] jjhiijiji : 😆😆😆
[2024-05-10 18:07:55] ilPanino : I am marking this in my calendar, i try to avoid these things to the maximum.
[2024-05-10 18:08:03] Joeyy132 : Lol we will but we are dumping now
[2024-05-10 18:08:07] ilPanino : I am a witness.
[2024-05-10 18:08:12] jjhiijiji : no no i mean if we pamp there before damp
[2024-05-10 18:08:31] Joeyy132 : after it rejects 61-62 or if it don’t get there 58 is a long time 73
[2024-05-10 18:08:49] Joeyy132 : 58to73
[2024-05-10 18:09:24] jjhiijiji : COME ON PAMP IT FOR ME LARRRY ILL LOVE YOU FOREVER
[2024-05-10 18:09:36] Joeyy132 : jjhiijiji: it will
[2024-05-10 18:09:42] jjhiijiji : ill tie joey up in a basement for you and you can have your way with him :( ill do anything
[2024-05-10 18:09:44] ilPanino : This is a good long scalp right here, but i wont take it because i chickened out on the previous one.
[2024-05-10 18:09:48] Joeyy132 : ig ur under 52k absolute worst scenario
[2024-05-10 18:09:51] Joeyy132 : ur good
[2024-05-10 18:10:03] jjhiijiji : the max i can lower my liq to is low 40s
[2024-05-10 18:10:11] Joeyy132 : Ur good
[2024-05-10 18:10:23] Joeyy132 : if it goes below 48 it’s toast
[2024-05-10 18:10:50] doublecheese : Joeyy132: nice store of value lol. Can't even break properly old ath.
[2024-05-10 18:10:50] jjhiijiji : come on baby fake pamp
[2024-05-10 18:10:52] jjhiijiji : FAKE PAMP DAMMIT
[2024-05-10 18:10:59] Joeyy132 : doublecheese: yup
[2024-05-10 18:11:04] doublecheese : Bitcoin is a joke at this point.
[2024-05-10 18:11:09] jjhiijiji : store of value? where?
[2024-05-10 18:11:10] Joeyy132 : uts not a store of value of course
[2024-05-10 18:11:13] jjhiijiji : bitcoin was never meant to be a store of value
[2024-05-10 18:11:20] jjhiijiji : anyone who said that is ret4rded
[2024-05-10 18:11:21] contract details : you guy store value in currencies?
[2024-05-10 18:11:25] doublecheese : A totally and completely failed experiment.
[2024-05-10 18:11:35] jjhiijiji : failed experiment with over a trillion market cap
[2024-05-10 18:11:35] jjhiijiji : nice
[2024-05-10 18:11:51] jjhiijiji : salty twats
[2024-05-10 18:12:18] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: @contract details so bitcoin is money again? Lmao. Totally makes sense to take hours to complete a transaction. Not to mention the transaction fees. Nice currency indeed.
[2024-05-10 18:12:25] Joeyy132 : It’s just a game to wash money back and forth trying to make more
[2024-05-10 18:12:25] jjhiijiji : doublecheese: who the fck said its money?
[2024-05-10 18:12:35] contract details : takes days to do a wire transfer :arthur:
[2024-05-10 18:12:39] jjhiijiji : doublecheese listen
[2024-05-10 18:12:45] jjhiijiji : just short it for us
[2024-05-10 18:12:46] jjhiijiji : please
[2024-05-10 18:12:50] jjhiijiji : right now
[2024-05-10 18:12:55] jjhiijiji : are you short?
[2024-05-10 18:13:02] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: not a store of value, not money, than what it is? A ponzi?.
[2024-05-10 18:13:03] Joeyy132 : doublecheese: don’t short
[2024-05-10 18:13:08] Joeyy132 : yet
[2024-05-10 18:13:15] jjhiijiji : shhh let him short so it can pamp dammit
[2024-05-10 18:13:19] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: out of position and will stay out of position.
[2024-05-10 18:13:41] ilPanino : doublecheese: But this is THE bottom you talked about yesterday, that you would buy from.
[2024-05-10 18:13:42] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: I am not stupid enough to short a bullmarket, sorry.
[2024-05-10 18:13:44] jjhiijiji : doublecheese on the fence again what a surprise
[2024-05-10 18:13:54] Joeyy132 : Look to short it a day or 2 after 73k
[2024-05-10 18:13:55] ilPanino : doublecheese: This is your entry to your own plan ffs.
[2024-05-10 18:14:07] Joeyy132 : and stay in that short forever
[2024-05-10 18:14:26] Joeyy132 : doublecheese: good thing it’s not a bullmarket
[2024-05-10 18:14:40] doublecheese : ilPanino: ema 100 may not hold based on this PA.
[2024-05-10 18:15:00] doublecheese : Besides, I am too risk averse right now after the losses of the last month.
[2024-05-10 18:15:02] ilPanino : doublecheese: You flip flop to much in your plans.
[2024-05-10 18:15:21] Joeyy132 : PA looks very ugly right jow
[2024-05-10 18:15:27] jjhiijiji : ugly as fck
[2024-05-10 18:15:29] ilPanino : yeah its ugly af.
[2024-05-10 18:15:30] jjhiijiji : just like before every pump
[2024-05-10 18:15:32] Joeyy132 : so it’s a “long the fake bounce” situation
[2024-05-10 18:15:43] doublecheese : contract details: lol Bitcoin has 7 transactions per seconds. It will never scale and never be adopted globally.
[2024-05-10 18:15:58] doublecheese : ilPanino: that is correct that I flip flop.
[2024-05-10 18:16:00] jjhiijiji : do you really think larry gives a sh!t
[2024-05-10 18:16:14] ilPanino : doublecheese: how can you write this and be "bullish"? Youre the biggest bear in here sir.
[2024-05-10 18:16:22] jjhiijiji : larry doesnt ggive 2 sh!ts about transaction speeds all he cares about is making money off bitcoin trading
[2024-05-10 18:16:26] Joeyy132 : doublecheese: bitcoin is just a money laundering tool and a game to play with price that all use it for what it is
[2024-05-10 18:16:43] doublecheese : ilPanino: lol just because something is a ponzi doesn't mean it will go down LOL.
[2024-05-10 18:17:02] jjhiijiji : doublecheese looking at transaction speeds and store of value bs as if its still 2017
[2024-05-10 18:17:08] ilPanino : doublecheese: but you are so negative that you inner belief tells you it will go lower.
[2024-05-10 18:17:09] Joeyy132 : Because it’s the best ponzi ever
[2024-05-10 18:17:10] "it will be........" : .
[2024-05-10 18:17:21] ilPanino : doublecheese: You refuse to follow your own plans.
[2024-05-10 18:17:21] Joeyy132 : "it will be........": I love u
[2024-05-10 18:17:28] "it will be........" : Bitcoin is a tool and so is Britcoin
[2024-05-10 18:17:34] jjhiijiji : true
[2024-05-10 18:17:35] Joeyy132 : "it will be........": lol
[2024-05-10 18:17:41] Joeyy132 : where did that come from
[2024-05-10 18:17:41] ilPanino : "it will be........": lol
[2024-05-10 18:17:48] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: you know, those problems still aren't solved after 7 years. So yeah nothing changed since 2017.
[2024-05-10 18:17:52] "it will be........" : Joeyy132: Lol 🙏🏽❤️
[2024-05-10 18:17:57] jjhiijiji : doublecheese: you know whats changed since 2017
[2024-05-10 18:18:02] Vladimir.Putin : look bottom? div 4h
[2024-05-10 18:18:02] jjhiijiji : the price is like 10x higher or more
[2024-05-10 18:18:10] jjhiijiji : even if it wasnt solved
[2024-05-10 18:18:12] jjhiijiji : what does that tell you
[2024-05-10 18:18:19] jjhiijiji : nooen gives 2 fckin sh!tys abt transaction speed
[2024-05-10 18:18:22] jjhiijiji : it can still go up and down
[2024-05-10 18:18:23] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: only price. No utility. No technology. Nothing else, only price.
[2024-05-10 18:18:28] jjhiijiji : dude
[2024-05-10 18:18:30] jjhiijiji : JUST SHORT IT THEN
[2024-05-10 18:18:33] ilPanino : Gimme a higher high on 5 minute and I will be longing the retest, again. Just to prove a point.
[2024-05-10 18:18:35] jjhiijiji : u fckin twat jesus\
[2024-05-10 18:18:46] jjhiijiji : if ur so fckin negative what are u doing fckin waiting fgor a long
[2024-05-10 18:18:50] jjhiijiji : SHORT IT TO THE GROUND
[2024-05-10 18:19:08] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: Again, just because something is a scam doesn't mean price will go down. I am looking for a long.
[2024-05-10 18:19:13] jjhiijiji : exactly
[2024-05-10 18:19:15] jjhiijiji : whats wqhat im saying
[2024-05-10 18:19:20] jjhiijiji : nooen gives a sh1t abt the stuff ur talking abt
[2024-05-10 18:19:24] jjhiijiji : utility, transaction speed
[2024-05-10 18:19:28] jjhiijiji : everyone just wants to speculate
[2024-05-10 18:19:30] jjhiijiji : make money
[2024-05-10 18:19:33] jjhiijiji : and some using it for dodgy sh!t
[2024-05-10 18:19:34] jjhiijiji : thats it
[2024-05-10 18:19:40] jjhiijiji : dont fuss over the other stuff
[2024-05-10 18:19:43] jjhiijiji : its irrelevant
[2024-05-10 18:19:50] Vladimir.Putin : go long usd
[2024-05-10 18:19:54] ilPanino : If you think price will go down, you short it. if you think price will go up, you long it.
[2024-05-10 18:19:59] ilPanino : Its not rocket science. :)
[2024-05-10 18:20:15] jjhiijiji : please doublecheese just fckin short it so we can pump ffs
[2024-05-10 18:20:20] jjhiijiji : its all up to you\
[2024-05-10 18:20:47] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: I appreciate at least someone says it, only thing people care about is FIAT price. Even the hodlers.
[2024-05-10 18:21:15] Vladimir.Putin : is this potential bart pattern ? long time no see bart pattern
[2024-05-10 18:21:15] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: won't short, won't long until I figure this out. Looking for a long tho.
[2024-05-10 18:21:27] jjhiijiji : doublecheese: ur looking for a long right at the bottom of a massive channel
[2024-05-10 18:21:28] ilPanino : Nah i dont care about price at all, i care about movement, direction of where price will move and %.
[2024-05-10 18:21:28] jjhiijiji : ?
[2024-05-10 18:21:35] KeepItSimple : doublecheese: then buy spot
[2024-05-10 18:22:16] Joeyy132 : This is about to go to 0
[2024-05-10 18:22:32] Joeyy132 : 😭
[2024-05-10 18:22:35] ilPanino : bears are really trying to slow grind this further down.
[2024-05-10 18:23:14] KeepItSimple : so there are two scenarios
[2024-05-10 18:23:16] ilPanino : 30 min stoch is flat, rsi signals oversold for the last 4 hours, what more confluences do you need @doublecheese
[2024-05-10 18:23:31] KeepItSimple : 1 its a hype cycle and will go down
[2024-05-10 18:23:51] KeepItSimple : 2. its just warming up and will moon
[2024-05-10 18:23:54] ilPanino : 618 is right below us as well lower timeframes printing bull divs while hovering above it.
[2024-05-10 18:24:10] KeepItSimple : *2
[2024-05-10 18:24:22] doublecheese : ilPanino: so you're longing this?
[2024-05-10 18:24:29] jjhiijiji : this is either the bottom or the beginning of dump v2
[2024-05-10 18:24:30] ilPanino : longing here and a SL at 60050, tada.
[2024-05-10 18:24:38] jjhiijiji : its more likely that we are at the bottom
[2024-05-10 18:24:48] jjhiijiji : because trend is more likely to continue than break
[2024-05-10 18:24:50] jjhiijiji : always
[2024-05-10 18:25:00] jjhiijiji : if it does break its fucked though
[2024-05-10 18:25:03] contract details : oh but when it breaks... :pepe:
[2024-05-10 18:25:07] ilPanino : doublecheese: a possible bottom long is suppose to feel terrible terrible terrible.
[2024-05-10 18:25:20] ilPanino : and if my SL is hot, fine, so be it.
[2024-05-10 18:25:24] ilPanino : hit*
[2024-05-10 18:26:08] doublecheese : ilPanino: it's been a month I am hitting SL. I am tired of it :)
[2024-05-10 18:26:09] ilPanino : now I wrote my plan in text, if course they will hunt me again. :pepe:
[2024-05-10 18:26:32] ilPanino : doublecheese: then those trades was just not ment to be, but i also know you have been alot in green and refdused to take profits.
[2024-05-10 18:27:29] ilPanino : IF this is now a true downtrend, expect lower highs and take profit at those, do NOT expect the highs to be broken.
[2024-05-10 18:27:36] doublecheese : ilPanino: yeah that is true. But this happened because of choppiness, not easy to take profits during chops.
[2024-05-10 18:27:49] ilPanino : There has been no choppiness at all.
[2024-05-10 18:28:20] jjhiijiji : sh!t boys
[2024-05-10 18:28:23] jjhiijiji : dump coming
[2024-05-10 18:28:30] ilPanino : It has pumped into resistance, tried to break it failed.
[2024-05-10 18:28:36] jjhiijiji : get ready
[2024-05-10 18:28:39] ilPanino : nothing choppy about it.
[2024-05-10 18:29:53] jjhiijiji : fck if i close my long now i dont get my free pizza cause im probably off the leader board :(
[2024-05-10 18:30:11] jjhiijiji : i think ill just keep it open
[2024-05-10 18:30:22] ilPanino : jjhiijiji: they will deliver the pizza to your house? from seychelles? It will be cold on arrival sir.
[2024-05-10 18:30:33] jjhiijiji : ilPanino: it says pizza for 10 people
[2024-05-10 18:30:38] jjhiijiji : wherever you are
[2024-05-10 18:30:44] ilPanino : thats one big cold pizza sir.
[2024-05-10 18:30:51] jjhiijiji : ahahah
[2024-05-10 18:30:56] jjhiijiji : i actually like cold pizza
[2024-05-10 18:31:01] jjhiijiji : i usually eat it right out of the fridge
[2024-05-10 18:31:03] jjhiijiji : smth nice about it
[2024-05-10 18:31:05] ilPanino : yeah me to. :)
[2024-05-10 18:31:27] ilPanino : But i want to eat the first pieces warm tho, and chill the leftovers.
[2024-05-10 18:31:32] jjhiijiji : yeah same
[2024-05-10 18:31:35] jjhiijiji : when it just comes hot is nice
[2024-05-10 18:31:42] jjhiijiji : and then leftovers cold i dont heat up cause i like it
[2024-05-10 18:31:47] contract details : true monsters :pepe:
[2024-05-10 18:31:56] contract details : pizza out of the fridge 😭
[2024-05-10 18:32:12] ilPanino : It would be very hard for bitmex to deliver me pizza, there is no one to deliver here lol.
[2024-05-10 18:32:13] jjhiijiji : only true G's eat pizza out of the fridge
[2024-05-10 18:32:16] Vladimir.Putin : Bart please come
[2024-05-10 18:32:34] jjhiijiji : come on bart save putin
[2024-05-10 18:33:04] doublecheese : ilPanino: next time I open I wanna go allin long, but I may have to wait some months. I am looking to catch the next leg up, can't win during corrections.
[2024-05-10 18:33:05] ilPanino : contract details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9dAHrWzQP8 nom nom nom sir
[2024-05-10 18:33:31] jjhiijiji : wait some months lel
[2024-05-10 18:33:34] bluemaster : Buenos Dias Muchachos 😁
[2024-05-10 18:33:38] jjhiijiji : were gna be 120k and doublecheese gna be saying
[2024-05-10 18:33:42] jjhiijiji : 'im thinking of longing now'
[2024-05-10 18:33:49] jjhiijiji : but im gonna wait till im sure dump is over
[2024-05-10 18:33:57] jjhiijiji : :kek:
[2024-05-10 18:34:01] ilPanino : doublecheese: never ever go all in long sir.
[2024-05-10 18:34:09] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: Don't worry we are not going 120k tomorrow.
[2024-05-10 18:34:14] jjhiijiji : doublecheese: you said months
[2024-05-10 18:34:19] ilPanino : I will strongly advice against going all in.
[2024-05-10 18:34:41] jjhiijiji : COME ON BABY FAKE PAMP
[2024-05-10 18:34:43] jjhiijiji : PRIZ
[2024-05-10 18:35:03] jjhiijiji : ilPanino: i still got that 100x long open ;p
[2024-05-10 18:35:12] jjhiijiji : /position btcusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: 15,000 USD @ 60469 ```
[2024-05-10 18:35:15] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: you think we'll break ath this month?
[2024-05-10 18:35:21] jjhiijiji : doublecheese: no
[2024-05-10 18:35:26] jjhiijiji : doublecheese: months though...
[2024-05-10 18:35:26] ilPanino : jjhiijiji: you reentered?
[2024-05-10 18:35:28] jjhiijiji : plural
[2024-05-10 18:35:35] jjhiijiji : ilPanino: no this is a different pos
[2024-05-10 18:35:39] jjhiijiji : ilPanino: on btcusd
[2024-05-10 18:35:43] ilPanino : oh, im confused. :)
[2024-05-10 18:35:43] jjhiijiji : the big one is btcusdt
[2024-05-10 18:35:48] ilPanino : ahhh i see.
[2024-05-10 18:36:02] jjhiijiji : i thought i might as well go double ret4rd
[2024-05-10 18:36:08] jjhiijiji : since im being ret4rded already
[2024-05-10 18:36:20] ilPanino : I wanna make me a banana, tuna, curry, pineapple and peanut pizza.
[2024-05-10 18:36:28] jjhiijiji : jeeeeeeeeeesus
[2024-05-10 18:36:42] jjhiijiji : thats very.. artistic of you
[2024-05-10 18:36:54] doublecheese : Another option is opening a low lev long and increase it over time. This way I won't feel fomo.
[2024-05-10 18:36:56] ilPanino : jjhiijiji: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiVl2Kk7WuY it is a thing, very yummy
[2024-05-10 18:37:01] doublecheese : Long term strategy.
[2024-05-10 18:37:19] jjhiijiji : doublecheese: im 90% sure that in 2025 - 2026 you will see a megapamp like never before not only in btc but markets generally
[2024-05-10 18:37:34] jjhiijiji : fed is already lowering QT
[2024-05-10 18:37:42] jjhiijiji : QE delayed cause of all the sh!t and inflation
[2024-05-10 18:37:43] jjhiijiji : but its coming
[2024-05-10 18:37:47] jjhiijiji : and when it comes
[2024-05-10 18:37:50] jjhiijiji : and printer goes brrrrrrr
[2024-05-10 18:37:51] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: I agree about this, but only 2024-2025, don't think 2026.
[2024-05-10 18:37:55] jjhiijiji : your gonna see a mega pamp
[2024-05-10 18:37:57] ilPanino : Our central bank cut rates this week with -0.25%
[2024-05-10 18:38:09] jjhiijiji : all over the world are cutting rates now slowly
[2024-05-10 18:38:11] jjhiijiji : except US
[2024-05-10 18:38:14] jjhiijiji : which they will eventually
[2024-05-10 18:38:17] jjhiijiji : were at 5.25% rates now
[2024-05-10 18:38:21] jjhiijiji : IMAGINE WHEN WERE AT FCKIN 2% or lowerr
[2024-05-10 18:38:25] jjhiijiji : thats going to be mega pamp
[2024-05-10 18:38:42] jjhiijiji : btc will probably be over 120k by then
[2024-05-10 18:38:46] ilPanino : We have 3,75% here.
[2024-05-10 18:38:55] jjhiijiji : i meant US is at 5.25
[2024-05-10 18:39:04] jjhiijiji : imagine a few years ago we were at 0.2% and less
[2024-05-10 18:39:06] jjhiijiji : ;///
[2024-05-10 18:39:16] jjhiijiji : what the actual fck
[2024-05-10 18:39:34] jjhiijiji : bank was basically saying - here take some free money
[2024-05-10 18:39:37] ilPanino : During 2 years we had -0.25% and during a period of those years we hit -0.5%
[2024-05-10 18:39:57] ilPanino : it was super cheap to borrow money, and those people are now paying the price.
[2024-05-10 18:40:01] jjhiijiji : insane
[2024-05-10 18:40:14] jjhiijiji : well not the ones that took fixed interest long term loans
[2024-05-10 18:40:23] jjhiijiji : in US majority of loans are long term fixed interest
[2024-05-10 18:40:34] jjhiijiji : only people paying are the ones that didnt get proper deals
[2024-05-10 18:40:45] ilPanino : no, they got buttfrucked for real, i had an old friend that locked his rates for 12 years at 7%...
[2024-05-10 18:40:52] jjhiijiji : LOL
[2024-05-10 18:40:58] ilPanino : he got out of the deal last year.
[2024-05-10 18:41:15] jjhiijiji : but dude why i dont get it
[2024-05-10 18:41:24] jjhiijiji : why didnt he refinance his lown with a new one using a lower rate
[2024-05-10 18:41:29] jjhiijiji : rates were so low a few years ago
[2024-05-10 18:41:32] ilPanino : They want to "know how much to pay" month to month.
[2024-05-10 18:41:43] jjhiijiji : loan*
[2024-05-10 18:41:52] jjhiijiji : if u get trapped in a bad loan
[2024-05-10 18:41:58] jjhiijiji : and rates go down
[2024-05-10 18:42:06] jjhiijiji : u can refinance using a new loan to pay off the old one and pay the new rate ;/
[2024-05-10 18:42:07] ilPanino : jjhiijiji: In sweden you have to pay the difference of the rates if you cut them early, which means the bank would have gotten its money anyway.
[2024-05-10 18:42:08] jjhiijiji : this is common practise
[2024-05-10 18:42:15] jjhiijiji : oh whaaaat
[2024-05-10 18:42:16] jjhiijiji : dude
[2024-05-10 18:42:19] jjhiijiji : he cut a really bad deal
[2024-05-10 18:42:21] ilPanino : At least when it comes to mortgages.
[2024-05-10 18:42:22] jjhiijiji : they literally scammed him
[2024-05-10 18:42:37] jjhiijiji : pooor guy but seriously
[2024-05-10 18:42:40] jjhiijiji : he made a bad deal ;/
[2024-05-10 18:43:00] ilPanino : I have not had a loan for the last pffs, hmm, dont remember, almost 10 years. Not everyone is that lucky.
[2024-05-10 18:43:19] jjhiijiji : i try to avoid them also as much as possible
[2024-05-10 18:43:29] jjhiijiji : since i paid off my mortgages i never got another one again
[2024-05-10 18:43:36] jjhiijiji : and will try keep it that way
[2024-05-10 18:43:40] ilPanino : Good call, you live cheap then.
[2024-05-10 18:43:40] jjhiijiji : BUT
[2024-05-10 18:43:50] jjhiijiji : well
[2024-05-10 18:43:56] ilPanino : and can afford improvements of your house
[2024-05-10 18:43:56] jjhiijiji : not cheap but we have good income thats why
[2024-05-10 18:44:11] jjhiijiji : we have a few houses that were renting out in london (those are the mortgages that got paid off)
[2024-05-10 18:44:32] jjhiijiji : i got downpayments when the prices were lower (more than 50% lower than today) and the rates were relly low
[2024-05-10 18:44:39] jjhiijiji : now theyre paid off
[2024-05-10 18:44:40] ilPanino : Thats the reason why i can invest in all these off grid solutions, because i just dont have debt.
[2024-05-10 18:44:55] jjhiijiji : if loans become cheap again but i doubt they wil
[2024-05-10 18:44:57] jjhiijiji : like under 1%
[2024-05-10 18:45:11] jjhiijiji : i will take out a fckload of loans and pile them into stocks amd commodities and bonds
[2024-05-10 18:45:27] jjhiijiji : but now its just ret4rded to take out a loan
[2024-05-10 18:45:30] jjhiijiji : if u dont have to
[2024-05-10 18:46:00] jjhiijiji : on the other hand u have bonds at like 4.8%
[2024-05-10 18:46:10] jjhiijiji : so if u have enough to put into bonds
[2024-05-10 18:46:14] ilPanino : Just try to save some money, even with inflation, it piles up rather quick and once you invest, there will be no repayment.
[2024-05-10 18:46:26] jjhiijiji : that might be good
[2024-05-10 18:46:45] jjhiijiji : i never sit on cash
[2024-05-10 18:46:52] ilPanino : Having a pile of cash ready to go when opportunity hits, is never a bad idea.
[2024-05-10 18:46:57] jjhiijiji : if i save enough i just get another downpayment for a property
[2024-05-10 18:47:04] jjhiijiji : cash just devalues too much over time
[2024-05-10 18:47:12] jjhiijiji : u just lose money for no reason
[2024-05-10 18:47:37] ilPanino : True, but the investment you make will give that loss back plus more if you play it correctly.
[2024-05-10 18:47:46] jjhiijiji : yeah that doesnt count as cash
[2024-05-10 18:47:53] jjhiijiji : if u put it into an asset
[2024-05-10 18:47:54] jjhiijiji : with return
[2024-05-10 18:48:00] jjhiijiji : oh
[2024-05-10 18:48:01] jjhiijiji : u mean to sit on it
[2024-05-10 18:48:03] jjhiijiji : till the right moment
[2024-05-10 18:48:06] ilPanino : yeah exactly.
[2024-05-10 18:48:17] jjhiijiji : i see what ur saying yeah
[2024-05-10 18:48:22] jjhiijiji : i guess its good to keep a bit
[2024-05-10 18:48:27] jjhiijiji : but i wouldnt keep a lot personally
[2024-05-10 18:48:34] ilPanino : I try to always sit on a pile of cash just in case of anything, and let the rest of the money work.
[2024-05-10 18:48:45] jjhiijiji : i feel safer if its sitting in property
[2024-05-10 18:49:01] jjhiijiji : but yeah i see ur point small part of it in cash isnt a bad idea
[2024-05-10 18:49:10] jjhiijiji : not most of it though for sure
[2024-05-10 18:49:18] ilPanino : True, but once you need that money it will take time to liquidate the property to invest and by then the opportunty might be lost.
[2024-05-10 18:49:30] jjhiijiji : yeah
[2024-05-10 18:49:53] jjhiijiji : always a downside to everything
[2024-05-10 18:50:09] ilPanino : So why not play all sides, you cannot lose.
[2024-05-10 18:50:18] jjhiijiji : yeah for sure i agree to keep SOME lets say in cash
[2024-05-10 18:50:23] jjhiijiji : i just disagree with keeping a lot of it
[2024-05-10 18:50:25] jjhiijiji : % wise lets say
[2024-05-10 18:50:42] jjhiijiji : most of my holdings in property, some in stocks, some commodities, small part cash and some crypto
[2024-05-10 18:50:45] ilPanino : I might or might not sit on ~15% of my total in cash.
[2024-05-10 18:50:55] jjhiijiji : aah thats a really good amount yeah
[2024-05-10 18:51:13] jjhiijiji : i was thinking like ur holding most of it in cash thats why i was saying
[2024-05-10 18:51:33] ilPanino : oh no, i just have a pile ready to go if opportunites present themselves.
[2024-05-10 18:51:36] doublecheese : Lol if I had a pile of cash I wouldn't be margin trading right now.
[2024-05-10 18:51:37] jjhiijiji : yeah good idea
[2024-05-10 18:51:53] jjhiijiji : what would you be doing
[2024-05-10 18:51:58] jjhiijiji : ?
[2024-05-10 18:52:21] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: Investing in other markets and buying spot crypto (mainly btc).
[2024-05-10 18:52:34] jjhiijiji : doublecheese: a really good one is just straight up investing in major index
[2024-05-10 18:52:35] jjhiijiji : like nasdaq
[2024-05-10 18:52:46] jjhiijiji : really safe over the long term
[2024-05-10 18:52:51] ilPanino : I own a lot of forest, land and some real estate - for long term, i own gold, platinum and silver, just in case of anything, i have a little bit of stocks and some crypto.
[2024-05-10 18:52:51] doublecheese : But not trading probably, or only playing with tiny fraction of capital.
[2024-05-10 18:52:58] jjhiijiji : doublecheese: this is what im doing
[2024-05-10 18:53:00] contract details : everything is so high right now... it feels like investing into anything is throwing money until doom 50% index drops :pepe:
[2024-05-10 18:53:00] jjhiijiji : using a small fraction
[2024-05-10 18:53:05] jjhiijiji : to try and make a lot with it
[2024-05-10 18:53:09] jjhiijiji : and the rest sits somewhere safe
[2024-05-10 18:53:17] jjhiijiji : so i dont feel like a degen risking my familys wellbeing
[2024-05-10 18:53:28] ilPanino : oh you asked mr cheese. :)
[2024-05-10 18:53:30] jjhiijiji : i have a small amount that i can degen with, without being an idiot
[2024-05-10 18:53:44] jjhiijiji : ilPanino: it sounds like ur doing similar to me
[2024-05-10 18:53:46] jjhiijiji : but i dont have the forest
[2024-05-10 18:53:48] jjhiijiji : i would like to though
[2024-05-10 18:53:53] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: yep if I had money I would be doing that definitely. Spx also good.
[2024-05-10 18:53:56] jjhiijiji : ive always dreamed of having a big plot somewhere remote
[2024-05-10 18:54:05] jjhiijiji : maybe canada or smth
[2024-05-10 18:54:08] jjhiijiji : u can get HUUUUUGE plots
[2024-05-10 18:54:10] jjhiijiji : middle of nowhere
[2024-05-10 18:54:11] contract details : jjhiijiji: i'll sell you one with a granite house too :pepe:
[2024-05-10 18:54:12] ilPanino : crypto is the only one I actively trades, because its so volatile.
[2024-05-10 18:54:27] jjhiijiji : my cousin can go hunting in his own plot cause its so massive and it only cost him a fraction of one house in london
[2024-05-10 18:54:32] jjhiijiji : (in canada)
[2024-05-10 18:54:44] doublecheese : ilPanino: well you could be trading anything really, just with more leverage, you would get similar %.
[2024-05-10 18:54:46] jjhiijiji : contract details: in spain?
[2024-05-10 18:55:05] contract details : yes, lost in the middle of galicia so you enjoy the rain just like in london
[2024-05-10 18:55:08] ilPanino : doublecheese: why would I do that if I dont find it fun? :)
[2024-05-10 18:55:38] doublecheese : ilPanino: Idk but any market can give you high returns when using high lev.
[2024-05-10 18:55:48] jjhiijiji : contract details: why are you selling it? and how much u selling it for?
[2024-05-10 18:56:17] ilPanino : doublecheese: using high lev would not increase my position size, since it increases the risk significantly.
[2024-05-10 18:56:40] contract details : it's just sitting there, abandoned. No idea about how much honestly. It was more as a joke but :pepe:
[2024-05-10 18:56:54] contract details : Haven't been there in years
[2024-05-10 18:56:56] ilPanino : doublecheese: High lev just means a higher loan, and loans has to be repaid.
[2024-05-10 18:57:12] doublecheese : ilPanino: getting a 1% increase in forex or stocks with high lev is the same as getting 1% move low lev in crypto.
[2024-05-10 18:57:43] ilPanino : doublecheese: What is your point exactly?
[2024-05-10 18:58:15] doublecheese : ilPanino: that anything could be traded, in crypto you can make insane amounts with high lev but also lose all very quickly.
[2024-05-10 18:58:38] jjhiijiji : contract details: if i was gonna buy an isolated plot id go to some country with huge land where its dead cheap and with good game to hunt
[2024-05-10 18:58:40] jjhiijiji : like canada probably
[2024-05-10 18:58:42] ilPanino : Buying milk at the supermarket, adding 10% on top when selling is the same thing as 10x as well.
[2024-05-10 18:59:05] jjhiijiji : in spain there is not much game to hunt except birds and small game like rabbits right?
[2024-05-10 18:59:36] contract details : I don´t hunt but deer and boar are common game here
[2024-05-10 18:59:45] jjhiijiji : ah nice
[2024-05-10 18:59:56] scraps : long time no mex for me, but i'm back
[2024-05-10 18:59:58] contract details : In fact it´s infested with boars, they just roam around my house freely lol
[2024-05-10 19:00:02] jjhiijiji : sheeeeeeeyt
[2024-05-10 19:00:06] jjhiijiji : fckin eat some!
[2024-05-10 19:00:14] contract details : you hear them oink oink at night :kek:
[2024-05-10 19:00:21] scraps : anyone seen steve S around lately?
[2024-05-10 19:00:24] jjhiijiji : nice
[2024-05-10 19:00:37] jjhiijiji : im sure uf u slow cook that sh!t for like 8 hours wrapped in tinfoil
[2024-05-10 19:00:40] jjhiijiji : should be fckin DELICIOUS
[2024-05-10 19:01:04] contract details : boar cheeks are delocious when cooked right yes
[2024-05-10 19:01:04] jjhiijiji : panini probably has a better idea though
[2024-05-10 19:01:24] contract details : other parts not so much :pepe:
[2024-05-10 19:01:37] jjhiijiji : yeah it must be tough thats why i said slow cook it
[2024-05-10 19:01:39] jjhiijiji : make it really tender
[2024-05-10 19:01:44] jjhiijiji : have u evert tried
[2024-05-10 19:01:54] jjhiijiji : like 8 hours slow cook with some water splashed into the tinfoil wrapped
[2024-05-10 19:02:06] jjhiijiji : we go it with lamb and fck me its good
[2024-05-10 19:02:11] jjhiijiji : we do it*
[2024-05-10 19:02:19] contract details : i usually put them in the pressurized cooker and then just finish them in a dutch oven for an hour
[2024-05-10 19:02:39] jjhiijiji : aaah u know what ur doing my man
[2024-05-10 19:02:51] jjhiijiji : lel my 100x long worked
[2024-05-10 19:02:56] jjhiijiji : /position btcusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: 15,000 USD @ 60469 ```
[2024-05-10 19:03:16] jjhiijiji : tell me i got the bottom please
[2024-05-10 19:03:27] jjhiijiji : i want one of joeys fake pamps
[2024-05-10 19:03:51] contract details : also boar chorizo is 🔥
[2024-05-10 19:06:06] ilPanino : doublecheese: see, this could have been a nice long scalp. It might not go higher than this, but profit is profit.
[2024-05-10 19:06:47] ilPanino : 250x that bottom, profit here, nice % return of risk.
[2024-05-10 19:07:45] doublecheese : ilPanino: don't wanna scalp, but get a long term move. I can't scalp.
[2024-05-10 19:07:47] ilPanino : jjhiijiji: grats, and now i hope you have SL at be or in profit? if we go there again, its gonna break.
[2024-05-10 19:08:23] jjhiijiji : since its a 100x
[2024-05-10 19:08:29] doublecheese : ilPanino: I am now considering to start building a long, low lev, liq price under 40k. I'll get peace of mind.
[2024-05-10 19:08:30] ilPanino : doublecheese: this is potentially the best entry you will get if it bounces properly here. Which is my point, AND it was YOUR plan all along.
[2024-05-10 19:08:31] jjhiijiji : ill put a SL in breakeven
[2024-05-10 19:08:45] jjhiijiji : man doublecheese u should have at least tried
[2024-05-10 19:08:48] jjhiijiji : we were so near the bottom
[2024-05-10 19:08:53] jjhiijiji : if anywhere is OK to put a stoploss
[2024-05-10 19:08:55] jjhiijiji : its near the bottom
[2024-05-10 19:09:10] ilPanino : ... a possible bottom.
[2024-05-10 19:09:15] jjhiijiji : yes ofcourse
[2024-05-10 19:09:18] jjhiijiji : its always a possible bottom
[2024-05-10 19:09:32] jjhiijiji : but this was bottom of quite a large significant channel
[2024-05-10 19:09:35] jjhiijiji : so it was very low risk
[2024-05-10 19:09:45] jjhiijiji : thats why i couldnt help myself and opened a second long lel
[2024-05-10 19:09:51] ilPanino : yes, and breaking that channel is death so tight SL.
[2024-05-10 19:10:02] ilPanino : it was a very very good RR entry.
[2024-05-10 19:10:05] jjhiijiji : but a break just below is often expected
[2024-05-10 19:10:11] jjhiijiji : so maybe not JUST under it
[2024-05-10 19:10:16] doublecheese : I am starting to build my long term long. The more we dip the more I average down. It's the only profitable strategy I've got.
[2024-05-10 19:10:19] jjhiijiji : it put it a little bit under the line
[2024-05-10 19:10:30] jjhiijiji : doublecheese: this is a very good strategy
[2024-05-10 19:10:32] ilPanino : i had my stop at 60050, now i have adjusted it higher.
[2024-05-10 19:10:41] jjhiijiji : doublecheese: as long as you have enough capitsl
[2024-05-10 19:10:47] jjhiijiji : to maintan very low lev
[2024-05-10 19:10:55] jjhiijiji : and low liq
[2024-05-10 19:11:14] jjhiijiji : ilPanino: oh i thought u closed it
[2024-05-10 19:11:17] ilPanino : martingale never really works in the long run, especially if you get greedy.
[2024-05-10 19:11:20] jjhiijiji : u opened a new one?
[2024-05-10 19:11:25] jjhiijiji : ilPanino: not martingale
[2024-05-10 19:11:29] ilPanino : jjhiijiji: i reentered to prove a point to mr cheese.
[2024-05-10 19:11:32] doublecheese : jjhiijiji: it's not as good as timing the market, but that's all I can do. My liq price is 30.
[2024-05-10 19:11:35] jjhiijiji : i meant just laddering into a long term position
[2024-05-10 19:11:39] jjhiijiji : like laddering into a long
[2024-05-10 19:11:45] jjhiijiji : with low lev