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[2015-12-04 03:42:06] laisee : overall, seems like a good thing which validates the tech ideas.
[2015-12-04 03:42:55] micmix : the trustless open ledger idea is very powerful
[2015-12-04 03:43:39] micmix : and bitcoin showed that it's possible to make it very secure
[2015-12-04 03:44:26] Swedishnut : priceless as Visa would say
[2015-12-04 03:47:27] micmix : too bad that so much negativity was/is attached to bitcoin that many companies are afraid to touch it now
[2015-12-04 03:50:00] habibi : colored coins is enought for theirs purposes probally
[2015-12-04 03:51:04] habibi : but btc needs to finds a way to increase much much more maximum tps
[2015-12-04 03:51:36] micmix : maybe, it's hard to say how it will turn out. bitcoin has some problems with transaction throughput and mining centralization in China
[2015-12-04 03:52:45] habibi : u cant stop mining centralization
[2015-12-04 03:53:15] micmix : I can envision a future where anyone can issue cryptocurrency and trade it. and everyone will know that 1 micmix coin is worth 10 habibi coins :-)
[2015-12-04 03:53:19] Swedishnut : sure you can if everyone has a cheap fun solo mining wallet that doesn't eat their battery
[2015-12-04 03:53:32] Swedishnut : sorry for asking for a miracle :P
[2015-12-04 03:53:37] habibi : pure bussiness, and no single big farm miner would ever try to play against its own bussiness
[2015-12-04 03:54:45] habibi : i mean why would they try to do 51% or any other atack?
[2015-12-04 03:55:26] habibi : Swedishnut: practical way to do it? many shitcoins tried to go this way, noone of them succed
[2015-12-04 03:55:45] micmix : if banks are going to use some kind of blockchain settlement system, they will run their own mining centers (or outsource mining but keep mining pools under their own control)
[2015-12-04 03:56:13] habibi : micmix: why mining then, pure pos
[2015-12-04 03:56:14] Swedishnut : Fact is folks have found a way we did not see it as the "First" thus btc reigns supreme?
[2015-12-04 03:57:26] micmix : maybe POS, I'm not sure what are the implications for security in case of pure POS. POW systems are proven by now.
[2015-12-04 03:57:38] habibi : mining is not efficient way to keep network alive, in uch bank coin they would simply pos it if it would be open ledger, if not they dont need blockchain tech
[2015-12-04 03:58:16] habibi : Vitali from eth stands for that pos is even more secured but who knows
[2015-12-04 04:01:21] habibi : anyway going sleep, gnight guys and wish u good trades if price will moves! gl
[2015-12-04 04:02:09] habibi : micmix: thanks for info about okc contracts
[2015-12-04 04:02:40] micmix : IMHO the main issue will be to get everyone to agree on one system. every major player will try to push their own. that's what Goldman is trying to do using patents
[2015-12-04 04:02:51] micmix : habibi: good night
[2015-12-04 04:03:39] Swedishnut : night
[2015-12-04 04:04:11] micmix : so bitcoin might win just because major players will not come to the agreement on any alternative :-)
[2015-12-04 04:04:35] Swedishnut : sounds like regular money problems
[2015-12-04 04:05:02] Swedishnut : status quo to stay the same due to players not willing to chang the game
[2015-12-04 04:12:30] podizzler3k : why is my withheld profit more than my realized profit on the contract
[2015-12-04 04:12:32] podizzler3k : confused
[2015-12-04 04:13:32] podizzler3k : feature request: show how withheld profit is broken down between contracts instead of just one sum
[2015-12-04 04:27:20] Swedishnut : silly bots
[2015-12-04 04:31:20] BitMEX_Wally : podizzler3k: Good idea. It's on the API, look at `taxableMargin` on the `position` table
[2015-12-04 04:31:44] BitMEX_Wally : podizzler3k: The difference you are seeing is due to fees
[2015-12-04 04:36:09] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: what are simpleQty, simpleCost and simpleValue in the position table?
[2015-12-04 04:37:03] podizzler3k : fees eh
[2015-12-04 04:37:49] podizzler3k : how long does it take for realized profit to show up in open positions after i complete a trade
[2015-12-04 04:38:28] podizzler3k : fees are killing me
[2015-12-04 04:38:32] podizzler3k : apparently
[2015-12-04 04:39:30] micmix : podizzler3k: realised PNL is updated immediately after each trade
[2015-12-04 04:39:36] podizzler3k : wow
[2015-12-04 04:39:55] podizzler3k : so i buy 3000 contracts at 359.31, sell them at 360.00 and its negative profit after fees
[2015-12-04 04:39:56] podizzler3k : wtf
[2015-12-04 04:40:13] Swedishnut : due to the fact price is moving up?
[2015-12-04 04:41:47] micmix : podizzler3k: I think it should be positive even with 0.075% fees both ways
[2015-12-04 04:42:21] podizzler3k : is comm fees?
[2015-12-04 04:42:48] micmix : yes
[2015-12-04 04:43:29] podizzler3k : probably should be called fees
[2015-12-04 04:45:15] podizzler3k : damn i got hit with .0126 for buying 5000 contracts?
[2015-12-04 04:45:18] podizzler3k : thats pretty rough
[2015-12-04 04:45:33] podizzler3k : i need to go over this fee policy
[2015-12-04 04:47:34] micmix : 5k contracts is 18 coins at 360, so 0.075% is 0.0135. looks right
[2015-12-04 04:49:25] podizzler3k : but if im the 'maker' than i actually get back .025
[2015-12-04 04:49:29] podizzler3k : how do i become the maker
[2015-12-04 04:49:37] podizzler3k : place an order and have it filled?
[2015-12-04 04:49:57] micmix : yep, you have to place the order and wait for it to be filled
[2015-12-04 04:50:01] podizzler3k : thats some policy
[2015-12-04 04:50:21] Swedishnut : it is pretty nice is you know the "price"
[2015-12-04 04:50:33] podizzler3k : what do you mean
[2015-12-04 04:50:46] micmix : it's a very common practice. makers are paid to take the risk that their order will not be filled.
[2015-12-04 04:51:07] Swedishnut : buy as many contracts as you see it fit th price = profit. if you are wrong lose XYZ%
[2015-12-04 04:51:21] podizzler3k : im getting obliterated by being the taker here
[2015-12-04 04:51:29] podizzler3k : paying hundreds in fees
[2015-12-04 04:51:46] micmix : 0.075% is still cheaper than finex or any other place except China
[2015-12-04 04:51:48] podizzler3k : time to join the taker squad
[2015-12-04 04:51:54] Swedishnut : then buy long? and sell a few $ different?
[2015-12-04 04:52:10] podizzler3k : i'll just start placing orders 1 penny below the bid/ask
[2015-12-04 04:52:26] Swedishnut : that may work to create market solvency
[2015-12-04 04:52:27] podizzler3k : my luck someone will move the order down 1 second before i click place
[2015-12-04 04:53:15] podizzler3k : ah fuck it i'll just keep doing what im doing but not bother with small profits
[2015-12-04 04:53:41] podizzler3k : its kind of ridiculous that my PNL says 25% profit but if i close im still negative
[2015-12-04 04:53:46] Swedishnut : if .1 is mall take less
[2015-12-04 04:54:29] laisee : pod> good practice to buy (or sell) and then set your limit sell (or buy) based on profit you want to make. plus a stop/loss.
[2015-12-04 04:54:46] podizzler3k : thanks captain obvious
[2015-12-04 04:54:48] Swedishnut : do not aim for 1. it is less than easy to achieve if your hedge is less than .25
[2015-12-04 04:54:49] podizzler3k : ;)
[2015-12-04 04:55:04] laisee : well, not obvious to all.
[2015-12-04 04:55:29] micmix : podizzler3k: if you are a taker you'll need $1+ movement to make something
[2015-12-04 04:55:39] podizzler3k : micmix this is what im discovering
[2015-12-04 04:55:46] podizzler3k : knowledge is power
[2015-12-04 04:55:57] podizzler3k : you see that green 25% and say 'hey every little bit counts'
[2015-12-04 04:55:58] podizzler3k : wrong
[2015-12-04 04:56:16] podizzler3k : its actually -5% or something
[2015-12-04 04:56:21] podizzler3k : when the fees are added in
[2015-12-04 04:56:44] Swedishnut : do "close market: if you ahead
[2015-12-04 04:56:59] podizzler3k : what is that some kind of loophole?
[2015-12-04 04:57:07] podizzler3k : youre not the taker if you close market?
[2015-12-04 04:57:15] Swedishnut : simply closes all positins to active buys
[2015-12-04 04:57:26] micmix : no, still a taker
[2015-12-04 04:57:32] podizzler3k : then why would i do that
[2015-12-04 04:57:41] podizzler3k : you nut
[2015-12-04 04:57:46] Swedishnut : if you are up and want to profit?
[2015-12-04 04:58:12] podizzler3k : i think we're talking about two different things
[2015-12-04 04:58:28] Swedishnut : maybe but I close often if am up 3-%
[2015-12-04 04:58:32] BitMEX_Wally : podizzler3k: Your unrealised PNL is based on the current mark price. If you close your position there is no guarantee you will be able to trade at that price
[2015-12-04 04:58:33] Swedishnut : err 30%
[2015-12-04 04:58:39] podizzler3k : swedishnut maybe youre a maker
[2015-12-04 04:58:44] podizzler3k : im a taker more often than not
[2015-12-04 04:59:08] Swedishnut : I'm often a maker but I try to take as often as I see
[2015-12-04 04:59:48] podizzler3k : snatchin up orders like gambit
[2015-12-04 05:00:03] podizzler3k : haha swedishnut
[2015-12-04 05:00:03] rapidtrades : SUP LADIES
[2015-12-04 05:00:15] podizzler3k : good policy. should see some strong negative growth with that strategy
[2015-12-04 05:00:54] podizzler3k : rapidtrades wrong channel try #betanormies
[2015-12-04 05:01:14] Swedishnut : simply trying to be the outlier to the growth strat :P might get burned but it is a profitable idea if it plays out
[2015-12-04 05:02:07] podizzler3k : i wonder where the cutoff is if im maker and taker
[2015-12-04 05:02:11] podizzler3k : probably around 15% i guess
[2015-12-04 05:02:30] rapidtrades : 15% of what
[2015-12-04 05:02:47] podizzler3k : just icing my butt after realizing how much fees ive been paying
[2015-12-04 05:02:59] rapidtrades : no it's cool
[2015-12-04 05:03:11] podizzler3k : i just now realized that if you are the taker twice than you need to be over 30% profit to make any money
[2015-12-04 05:03:12] rapidtrades : keep paying, don't want to miss those moves
[2015-12-04 05:03:20] laisee : sometimes you really lose when you win ... ;-)
[2015-12-04 05:03:44] podizzler3k : rapidtrades no fomo yolo 25/8
[2015-12-04 05:03:54] BitMEX_Wally : podizzler3k: Take fee is 0.075% so you only need 0.15% to break even. With 100x leverage that's 15%
[2015-12-04 05:04:19] podizzler3k : if youre taker both times?
[2015-12-04 05:04:20] rapidtrades : yeah it's only 15% if u risk it all on 100/1
[2015-12-04 05:04:41] BitMEX_Wally : 0.075% + 0.075% = 0.15%
[2015-12-04 05:05:08] rapidtrades : taker fee is approximately 24 cents at these prices @podizzler3k
[2015-12-04 05:05:16] podizzler3k : i guess what happened was i bought 5000 and sold 2500 so the fees from the buy kept me negative
[2015-12-04 05:05:23] podizzler3k : rapidtrades im not really interested in the cents
[2015-12-04 05:05:27] podizzler3k : more about the % to break even
[2015-12-04 05:05:43] rapidtrades : ....well it's 48 cents then
[2015-12-04 05:06:30] podizzler3k : ok so if im the taker twice than i can just subtract 15% from PNL and that would be my PNL after fees
[2015-12-04 05:06:31] BitMEX_Wally : But the % number you are looking at is ROE, which is based on your unrealised PNL at the mark price divided by the margin
[2015-12-04 05:06:47] BitMEX_Wally : You would be better to look at the entry price and add/remove 24 cents as needed
[2015-12-04 05:06:49] podizzler3k : uhh
[2015-12-04 05:07:00] rapidtrades : exctly
[2015-12-04 05:07:05] laisee : Wally> can we have a 'daytrader' % fee of 0, as long as BTC committed to each trade and only for 24H?
[2015-12-04 05:07:22] rapidtrades : can we trade4free plz
[2015-12-04 05:07:26] laisee : ^1 BTC
[2015-12-04 05:07:31] Swedishnut : value of fiat is printed daily what is the current cost of minting? That is the cost of fiat current
[2015-12-04 05:08:26] podizzler3k : im not into calculating fees before each trade so i'll just keep a conscious mind that if im the taker not to bother with small profits
[2015-12-04 05:08:28] laisee : It would be special fee for traders who can't do math right.
[2015-12-04 05:08:31] podizzler3k : that should work for me
[2015-12-04 05:08:47] Swedishnut : what is small profit?
[2015-12-04 05:09:01] Swedishnut : 1 tc?
[2015-12-04 05:09:03] podizzler3k : under 30% PNL
[2015-12-04 05:09:10] Swedishnut : ahh kk
[2015-12-04 05:09:16] podizzler3k : or under 20% rather
[2015-12-04 05:09:22] podizzler3k : 25 we'll say heh
[2015-12-04 05:09:48] Swedishnut : I don't pull before 33% I might be odd
[2015-12-04 05:10:02] podizzler3k : nah i think thats smart
[2015-12-04 05:10:15] podizzler3k : unless youre bored and trying to stack bitcents
[2015-12-04 05:10:25] podizzler3k : which is what i was doing when i realized i was losing
[2015-12-04 05:10:39] rapidtrades : how long did that take u
[2015-12-04 05:10:52] podizzler3k : one trade
[2015-12-04 05:11:23] podizzler3k : but i probably could have been maker on a lot of previous trades and saved some loot
[2015-12-04 05:11:37] rapidtrades : depends on the way u trade
[2015-12-04 05:12:02] rapidtrades : liquidity is not the greatest here, I rarely get 50% of my orders filled
[2015-12-04 05:13:04] rapidtrades : and by that I mean say I want to go short....50% of the time I wont get a fill despite ''fighting'' with the bots
[2015-12-04 05:13:42] podizzler3k : sometimes when a liquidation order shows up it pays to be the taker thats for sure
[2015-12-04 05:13:45] Swedishnut : yeah fight with humans works much better
[2015-12-04 05:14:04] laisee : true, dat.
[2015-12-04 05:14:08] podizzler3k : rapidtrades yeah the new fee policy probably makes being the maker very frustrating
[2015-12-04 05:14:30] podizzler3k : #takerboyz
[2015-12-04 05:14:37] Swedishnut : yeah maker must swap pricing very often
[2015-12-04 05:14:43] rapidtrades : podizzler3k: I think competition is harder but it's diffcult to tell with the current volatility
[2015-12-04 05:14:53] podizzler3k : time to get that makerbot crackin
[2015-12-04 05:14:57] rapidtrades : it throws market makers off
[2015-12-04 05:15:06] podizzler3k : /learn2bot
[2015-12-04 05:15:14] laisee : thin market woth big moves generated by external mkts ... need to be nimble as MM here
[2015-12-04 05:15:25] Swedishnut : bots are hard to control without minds'
[2015-12-04 05:15:41] rapidtrades : #freethebots
[2015-12-04 05:15:43] laisee : same as humanz
[2015-12-04 05:15:49] rapidtrades : #botsRppl2
[2015-12-04 05:15:53] Swedishnut : indeed humanz are fallible
[2015-12-04 05:16:08] rapidtrades : #livingwage4bots
[2015-12-04 05:16:20] rapidtrades : #24cNOTenuff
[2015-12-04 05:16:46] podizzler3k : haha
[2015-12-04 05:17:42] podizzler3k : speaking of #takerboyz why isnt there a market open?
[2015-12-04 05:17:44] podizzler3k : only market close
[2015-12-04 05:22:04] rapidtrades : okc settlement in 3 hrs?
[2015-12-04 05:25:39] podizzler3k : yep
[2015-12-04 05:26:01] podizzler3k : remember last week huge pump before bitmex weekly settlement
[2015-12-04 05:26:06] podizzler3k : will i do it again? wait and see
[2015-12-04 05:28:41] rapidtrades : yeah last week we pumped post okc
[2015-12-04 05:32:55] Swedishnut : 375?
[2015-12-04 05:39:33] rapidtrades : no they'll dump this time sorries
[2015-12-04 05:39:46] Swedishnut : sigh guess people would rather the price be 300
[2015-12-04 05:40:41] rapidtrades : Goldman called for 3% lower Euro yesterday
[2015-12-04 05:40:54] rapidtrades : .....Euro is 3% higher today
[2015-12-04 05:41:20] Swedishnut : eoro is ppo
[2015-12-04 05:43:58] Swedishnut : euro is poo
[2015-12-04 05:46:06] rapidtrades : poo indeed
[2015-12-04 05:47:19] Swedishnut : yup wish it would steep up
[2015-12-04 05:52:43] Swedishnut : ;Coinbase is slow
[2015-12-04 05:53:06] Swedishnut : 5 btc and 3 days no deposit...
[2015-12-04 05:53:26] rapidtrades : woah
[2015-12-04 05:53:41] Swedishnut : yup screw tha..
[2015-12-04 05:53:54] rapidtrades : WOAH
[2015-12-04 05:55:09] Swedishnut : tired of waiting for "profit: people already made the positions.... now to try and find new ones,,, sigh
[2015-12-04 05:55:29] Swedishnut : Shorting looks best atm
[2015-12-04 05:56:29] podizzler3k : no way
[2015-12-04 05:56:43] podizzler3k : all the people with settled okcoin contracts gonna go long again you know its true
[2015-12-04 05:56:48] Swedishnut : why 350 easy right?
[2015-12-04 05:58:34] Swedishnut : 341 will burn me
[2015-12-04 05:58:48] Swedishnut : well 331 now
[2015-12-04 06:12:19] TschavaTschigger : morning guys (and girls possibly)
[2015-12-04 06:19:07] laisee : top of the morning to you.
[2015-12-04 06:28:39] rapidtrades : (and girls possibly) NOPE
[2015-12-04 06:28:54] rapidtrades : we have a gay though, if that would work for u
[2015-12-04 06:31:35] micmix : I'm not sure about no girls, my wife has accounts on finex and coinbase. We must have some girls trading here but maybe not in trollbox.
[2015-12-04 06:32:06] laisee : >>> probably something they don't advertise.
[2015-12-04 06:32:33] laisee : given some behavior here & elsewhere ...
[2015-12-04 06:32:50] micmix : yeah, I think you are right laisee
[2015-12-04 06:35:48] rapidtrades : what behavior?
[2015-12-04 06:36:59] rapidtrades : Wel welcome all women here*
[2015-12-04 06:37:11] rapidtrades : * as long as they put out
[2015-12-04 06:40:59] laisee : q.e.d.
[2015-12-04 06:43:57] SnackyCoins : http://i.imgur.com/IxXG6fo.jpg
[2015-12-04 06:47:45] rapidtrades : holy shit
[2015-12-04 06:48:54] rapidtrades : was that a liq?
[2015-12-04 06:49:51] stevelim : what was that?
[2015-12-04 06:50:33] rapidtrades : we're at discount
[2015-12-04 06:52:04] rapidtrades : get em while they're cheap boys
[2015-12-04 06:54:35] stevelim : just bought daily and sold weekly. free money
[2015-12-04 06:55:04] rapidtrades : great minds think alike :)
[2015-12-04 06:59:50] micmix : weekly settles on 2H index and daily on 30m, there will be some difference in settlement price but probably not too large
[2015-12-04 07:00:11] rapidtrades : ah tnx for pointing that out
[2015-12-04 07:00:51] rapidtrades : I wanna be net short anyway so hoping to cut the daily soon
[2015-12-04 07:12:41] laisee : futures < cash ... do we have a functioning futures market now whioch reflects sentiment? ;-)
[2015-12-04 07:14:49] rapidtrades : it would be unusual to drop so soon to okc settlement
[2015-12-04 07:14:56] rapidtrades : but stranger things have happened
[2015-12-04 07:15:02] micmix : laisee: we had okc futures for a while now and they reflect the sentiment quite well. the problem is that the sentiment is wrong quite often as you can see by huge margin calls on futures :-)
[2015-12-04 07:15:11] rapidtrades : hehe
[2015-12-04 07:15:27] laisee : sentiment !+ truth ... ///
[2015-12-04 07:16:27] laisee : ... and China market is super easy to trade on little to no info
[2015-12-04 07:16:57] TschavaTschigger : laisee: perfect for rapid then
[2015-12-04 07:17:23] laisee : yeah, not sure why he wastes time here with us nooobs.
[2015-12-04 07:18:30] micmix : The sentiment here changes multiple times per day as I see base on our MM bot position.
[2015-12-04 07:18:41] rapidtrades : oh rly
[2015-12-04 07:18:44] micmix : * based
[2015-12-04 07:18:49] rapidtrades : ur bot can reads sentiments
[2015-12-04 07:19:30] rapidtrades : how cans it
[2015-12-04 07:19:31] micmix : well of course, it accumulates long position when most ppl are selling into its bids
[2015-12-04 07:19:33] podizzler3k : its sentient
[2015-12-04 07:19:41] rapidtrades : ah i see
[2015-12-04 07:19:59] micmix : if it goes way over to one side the sentiment is strong
[2015-12-04 07:20:18] rapidtrades : so it basically watches finex and moves its bids/offers or
[2015-12-04 07:20:29] rapidtrades : how do u prevent it from getting raped
[2015-12-04 07:20:41] micmix : magic :-)
[2015-12-04 07:20:49] rapidtrades : u watch finex i know
[2015-12-04 07:20:55] rapidtrades : I KNOW
[2015-12-04 07:21:11] micmix : well it uses index among other things of course
[2015-12-04 07:21:34] TschavaTschigger : I am waiting for sam/wally to implement a leaderboard so we can dick-size compare our bots
[2015-12-04 07:21:55] podizzler3k : my bot is all dick
[2015-12-04 07:21:59] rapidtrades : how do u know if the current premium/discount is fair? @micmix
[2015-12-04 07:22:17] rapidtrades : like now...why aren't bots straddling around 357
[2015-12-04 07:22:51] laisee : becos ... sentiment
[2015-12-04 07:23:13] micmix : I don't really need to know, if ppl sell into bids the bids are lowered
[2015-12-04 07:23:32] rapidtrades : ah
[2015-12-04 07:23:36] rapidtrades : AH HA
[2015-12-04 07:24:15] podizzler3k : get ready for a surprise
[2015-12-04 07:24:38] rapidtrades : podizzler3k: I don't need surprises right now, im mostly hedged
[2015-12-04 07:24:43] laisee : floopy is a billionaire?
[2015-12-04 07:26:00] podizzler3k : i just had that scene from total recall in my head
[2015-12-04 07:27:37] rapidtrades : hey is okc settlement in 1 or 2 hrs? not logged in atm
[2015-12-04 07:28:35] podizzler3k : http://getjumbucks.com/settlement/
[2015-12-04 07:28:38] podizzler3k : 30 minutes
[2015-12-04 07:28:47] rapidtrades : tnx
[2015-12-04 07:31:17] rapidtrades : finally
[2015-12-04 07:33:35] podizzler3k : surpriiiise
[2015-12-04 07:34:07] podizzler3k : tfw futures holders have no more contracts to dump
[2015-12-04 07:34:15] rapidtrades : good
[2015-12-04 07:36:08] laisee : now they are buying again, since 0 left to sell.
[2015-12-04 07:37:06] rapidtrades : rally now dump post settleemnt
[2015-12-04 07:37:16] rapidtrades : i have spoken
[2015-12-04 07:38:47] micmix : I don't mind as long as we have at least some movement
[2015-12-04 07:39:19] micmix : those $5 movements are boring
[2015-12-04 07:43:06] rapidtrades : # unleash mayhem
[2015-12-04 07:43:11] rapidtrades : /
[2015-12-04 07:43:26] rapidtrades : ''unleash mayhem
[2015-12-04 07:43:29] ethexio : geezus, even secret unreleased Haasbot/Platform breaks on BitMEX. And doesn't use API Key/Secret. :(
[2015-12-04 07:45:18] rapidtrades : $2 discount....who wants to arbirage this away
[2015-12-04 07:48:11] micmix : ethexio: not sure what's so difficult for them. took me couple of hours to get the basics working
[2015-12-04 07:49:05] micmix : the API is very good and quite easy to work with
[2015-12-04 07:49:26] ethexio : API is extremely solid, and well laid out..
[2015-12-04 07:50:11] ethexio : Going to decompile BitMex.DLL and see wtf they did wrong
[2015-12-04 07:50:51] micmix : DLL? are they using C++ or C#/.NET?
[2015-12-04 07:51:01] ethexio : The only data it gets from BitMEX at all is my wallet balance.
[2015-12-04 07:51:03] ethexio : C#
[2015-12-04 07:51:36] micmix : they probably use buggy websocket implementation
[2015-12-04 07:51:54] TschavaTschigger : isn't it just easier to write your own bot? seems like a lot of hazzle to be dependent on 3rd party products that can fuck up all the time
[2015-12-04 07:51:58] ethexio : I don't think they're using websocket, seems REST
[2015-12-04 07:52:21] micmix : well then I'm lost, REST is super-easy in C#
[2015-12-04 07:52:35] ethexio : This new beta looks pretty rad, and has some super sweet features. Like really rad.
[2015-12-04 07:53:00] ethexio : Not really bots, but .. more.
[2015-12-04 07:53:11] TschavaTschigger : if they have rest only it's another big reason not to use them cause it limits your requests by a substantial amount
[2015-12-04 07:53:41] micmix : yeah, takes a lot of work to build full trading system from scratch
[2015-12-04 07:53:46] ethexio : yeah
[2015-12-04 07:54:28] ethexio : This is full trading platform. I guess I'll give it a whirl with OKC. But was really excited for BitMEX...
[2015-12-04 07:55:35] micmix : if you don't do MM or anything else that requires fast order submit/cancel, REST without websocket is fine
[2015-12-04 07:57:30] ethexio : Using websocket for OKC - but getting Exceptions..
[2015-12-04 07:58:24] TschavaTschigger : websocket on okc is pretty bitchy. got disconnected there randomly.
[2015-12-04 08:00:43] TschavaTschigger : solved this by tunneling through my ssh server which I put on same datacenter as okc
[2015-12-04 08:01:02] TschavaTschigger : they are hosting at Alicloud @ Hangzhou
[2015-12-04 08:01:59] TschavaTschigger : interestingly, some others connect directly without any problems, seems to be weird routing, dunno, not a network expert here
[2015-12-04 08:04:46] ethexio : TschavaTschigger: Good to know, thanks.
[2015-12-04 08:11:22] rapidtrades : micmix: do u hedge ur bot exposure on other exchanges
[2015-12-04 08:25:15] rapidtrades : closed longs...back to net sh
[2015-12-04 08:42:57] podizzler3k : i hope you didnt finish that sentence because your internet went down
[2015-12-04 08:42:57] laisee : TschavaTschigger> hows AliCloud?
[2015-12-04 08:43:07] podizzler3k : but it sounded past tense
[2015-12-04 08:43:48] laisee : "sh***t!!!!" was the full ending of sentence ...
[2015-12-04 08:43:54] TschavaTschigger : laisee: shitty
[2015-12-04 08:44:19] laisee : worse than Digital Ocean?
[2015-12-04 08:46:19] TschavaTschigger : dunno, but in comparison to amazon it sucks
[2015-12-04 08:46:32] laisee : K. Heroku > AWS > Digital Ocean IMHO. havent tried rackspace or alicloud so far.
[2015-12-04 08:47:08] TschavaTschigger : by nature, servers with 300ms lag are a pain in the ass
[2015-12-04 08:48:20] laisee : yep. for sure.
[2015-12-04 08:49:12] TschavaTschigger : what bugs me is that it sometimes jumps back to chinese when I am not logged in and visit their site, although they clearly have my cookies. makes zero sense to me.
[2015-12-04 08:50:17] laisee : timeout on their side due to GWC?
[2015-12-04 08:50:30] podizzler3k : come on finex get to movin
[2015-12-04 08:50:34] podizzler3k : obey your chinese overlords
[2015-12-04 08:51:45] laisee : settlement is over now, time to free Willy
[2015-12-04 08:52:20] podizzler3k : time to do it all over again
[2015-12-04 08:52:32] podizzler3k : i wonder what the net gain was since last week
[2015-12-04 08:54:00] podizzler3k : 361.87 last week
[2015-12-04 08:54:01] podizzler3k : lol
[2015-12-04 08:54:14] podizzler3k : after all that insanity we're right back where we started
[2015-12-04 08:54:16] TschavaTschigger : laisee: what's gwc?
[2015-12-04 08:54:32] laisee : great wall of china
[2015-12-04 08:54:58] TschavaTschigger : oh yeah
[2015-12-04 08:55:21] podizzler3k : the only difference is last week we didnt get to 361.87 until the last 30 minutes
[2015-12-04 08:57:29] podizzler3k : hmm nm
[2015-12-04 08:57:34] podizzler3k : i was thinking of the 24hr from the day before
[2015-12-04 08:57:40] laisee : pod> not everyone got the memo on weekly trading cycle.
[2015-12-04 08:58:58] podizzler3k : 347-384 range for last week any predictions on this weeks range?
[2015-12-04 08:59:06] podizzler3k : i got 111-7400
[2015-12-04 08:59:11] podizzler3k : gonna be a wild one
[2015-12-04 08:59:57] podizzler3k : who would have thought that satoshi would put up a 2M btc sellwall at 7400
[2015-12-04 09:00:00] podizzler3k : what a cockblock
[2015-12-04 09:00:22] podizzler3k : dumped us all the way down to $11
[2015-12-04 09:00:30] podizzler3k : notice how i refer to the future in the past tense
[2015-12-04 09:01:43] ethexio : Haas is using ws for BitMEX, i was incorrect earlier.
[2015-12-04 09:02:05] TschavaTschigger : would have been surprise if they hadnt
[2015-12-04 09:02:52] ethexio : Yeah.
[2015-12-04 09:04:14] ethexio : Nevermind.. WebClient for a bunch of operations
[2015-12-04 09:05:18] ethexio : But they have classes called Positions and SocketPositions
[2015-12-04 09:05:24] ethexio : So maybe fallback..?
[2015-12-04 09:05:28] TschavaTschigger : the thing is, why would you waste your requests on orderbook/orders/position when you can get them for free AND with lower latency
[2015-12-04 09:05:30] TschavaTschigger : makes 0 sense
[2015-12-04 09:06:34] ethexio : agreed.
[2015-12-04 09:07:37] ethexio : Still investigating. Maybe I can fix.
[2015-12-04 09:09:17] ethexio : Account BMX pointing to BitMEX has been connected. Trading driver is activated. 12/4/2015 1:08:12 AM|Fatal|WebSocket.processException|WebSocketSharp.WebSocketException: The header part of a frame cannot be read from the data source. at WebSocketSharp.WebSocketFrame.<>c__DisplayClass7.<ReadAsync>b__6(Byte[] header) at WebSocketSharp.Ext.<>c__DisplayClass6.<ReadBytesAsync>b__5(IAsyncResult ar)
[2015-12-04 09:09:29] ethexio : oh shoot, sorry about dump
[2015-12-04 09:12:18] TschavaTschigger : well, can't help you, dunno anything about sharp or this lib
[2015-12-04 09:21:16] ethexio : Just venting :)
[2015-12-04 09:22:29] ethexio : /me fires up Wireshark
[2015-12-04 09:22:41] rapidtrades : sup felas?
[2015-12-04 09:22:53] rapidtrades : long or short today fellas
[2015-12-04 09:23:01] micmix : ethexio: they don't handle disconnect exceptions properly, stupid :-(
[2015-12-04 09:23:39] ethexio : Seems so. Lot's of uncaught exceptions also.
[2015-12-04 09:24:48] micmix : websocketsharp is buggy in any case, we gave up on it and just use MS built-in websocket classes
[2015-12-04 09:25:07] micmix : lower level and more work but 100% reliable
[2015-12-04 09:26:11] micmix : I still prefer node.js for something like that, my BitMEX gateway is 100% node.js
[2015-12-04 09:31:29] micmix : rapidtrades: my lucky coin says go flat
[2015-12-04 09:38:20] ethexio : API Adress: https://www.bitmex.com:80
[2015-12-04 09:38:24] ethexio : wut
[2015-12-04 09:38:38] TschavaTschigger : lmao
[2015-12-04 09:38:59] ethexio : *flips table*
[2015-12-04 09:40:12] rapidtrades : micmix: that's some useless coin right
[2015-12-04 09:40:43] micmix : well when you toss it and it stands on the edge you have to get out of the market and run away :-)
[2015-12-04 09:41:14] rapidtrades : micmix: how do u manage ur risk if prices m
[2015-12-04 09:41:58] rapidtrades : move...wtf is wrong with this cha
[2015-12-04 09:42:01] ethexio : Hmm, maybe I'll setup a proxy..
[2015-12-04 09:42:05] rapidtrades : *t
[2015-12-04 09:43:28] micmix : hedging for big positions and actively reducing positions if the market moves quickly in the wrong direction
[2015-12-04 09:43:54] rapidtrades : hedging with?
[2015-12-04 09:45:21] micmix : cross-exchange hedging, usually using the most liquid market to hedge
[2015-12-04 09:46:12] rapidtrades : so china?
[2015-12-04 09:46:14] micmix : but we are just testing here on BitMEX with small sizes, not worth worrying about
[2015-12-04 09:47:05] micmix : mostly China, depends on the positions of all MMs on different markets
[2015-12-04 09:47:25] rapidtrades : god dam....who's ''W
[2015-12-04 09:47:38] rapidtrades : WE
[2015-12-04 09:48:33] TschavaTschigger : haha I have been asking myself that for weeks whenever he says that word
[2015-12-04 09:48:39] micmix : no idea :-)
[2015-12-04 09:48:55] rapidtrades : Goldman? is tha
[2015-12-04 09:49:06] rapidtrades : ffs...die chat d
[2015-12-04 09:49:09] TschavaTschigger : but obviously means splitting profits ;)
[2015-12-04 09:49:31] rapidtrades : wth...the last two letters are cut out
[2015-12-04 09:49:53] micmix : happened to me couple of times, try reloading the page
[2015-12-04 09:49:56] rapidtrades : srsly have they changed the code? its super slow now
[2015-12-04 09:50:11] rapidtrades : gay aids
[2015-12-04 09:50:16] rapidtrades : looks ok now
[2015-12-04 09:50:25] micmix : I guess I have to stop using 'we'
[2015-12-04 09:50:28] rapidtrades : flipper likes dildos
[2015-12-04 09:50:32] laisee : added checks for bad language and moral turpitude
[2015-12-04 09:50:46] rapidtrades : whta's turpitude
[2015-12-04 09:50:57] laisee : if you have to ask ...
[2015-12-04 09:51:31] rapidtrades : .....yeah I have to ask
[2015-12-04 09:51:58] laisee : it's where you ask, What Would FloopFllop Do?
[2015-12-04 09:52:10] rapidtrades : take it up the ash?
[2015-12-04 09:52:22] rapidtrades : so that's not really applicable is it?
[2015-12-04 09:54:21] laisee : not quite, but you're on the right track
[2015-12-04 09:55:16] rapidtrades : looks like it...finally in the green after half a month trading here
[2015-12-04 09:56:07] rapidtrades : lot of wasted time though
[2015-12-04 09:56:20] rapidtrades : hopefully it was worth it :)
[2015-12-04 09:57:13] laisee : congrats ;-/
[2015-12-04 09:58:36] rapidtrades : tnx :)
[2015-12-04 10:00:11] rapidtrades : that runway loss from $330 to $360 FUCKED ME OVER
[2015-12-04 11:25:23] rapidtrades : down we go b1tches
[2015-12-04 11:35:04] ethexio : Whee
[2015-12-04 11:39:47] rapidtrades : GUYS PANIC
[2015-12-04 11:42:27] ethexio : OK
[2015-12-04 11:59:45] habibi : wtf?
[2015-12-04 12:00:58] sleger : yeah it's called settlement, happens everyday, terrible stuff...
[2015-12-04 12:01:03] habibi : nvm ;p one minute delated settlemetn
[2015-12-04 12:04:51] rapidtrades : no premium today fellas?
[2015-12-04 12:12:47] habibi : 3k buy wall okc
[2015-12-04 12:12:59] habibi : and its gone
[2015-12-04 12:17:35] rapidtrades : fill ma bids mill ma bids gentlemens
[2015-12-04 12:18:56] habibi : 8.4 k wall
[2015-12-04 12:19:12] habibi : looks like final sell off before dump
[2015-12-04 12:19:13] rapidtrades : where
[2015-12-04 12:19:16] habibi : okcoing
[2015-12-04 12:22:43] rapidtrades : weekly already bid up to premium
[2015-12-04 12:59:32] jung1 : pump and dump coins are obsolette
[2015-12-04 12:59:42] jung1 : now you can make site
[2015-12-04 12:59:51] jung1 : and croudfunging http://www.coinfox.info/news/3926-kuna-announces-pre-christmas-crowdsale-of-the-first-ukrainian-bitcoin-exchange
[2015-12-04 13:02:17] ethexio : First Ukrainian Exchange...
[2015-12-04 13:03:17] ethexio : Seems legit, have a ref?
[2015-12-04 13:11:53] rapidtrades : are we buying or selling
[2015-12-04 13:13:34] habibi : This will allow for fees as low as 1% - this is joke :D?
[2015-12-04 13:13:59] rapidtrades : meh same as coinbase
[2015-12-04 13:14:27] rapidtrades : oh wait it's an exchange
[2015-12-04 13:17:50] rapidtrades : there's that premium we all know and lvoe <3
[2015-12-04 13:18:48] podizzle3k : wouldnt be a day without rapidtrades bringing up his lack of understanding sentiment
[2015-12-04 13:19:41] podizzle3k : lets see how far up these maker bots want to go
[2015-12-04 13:19:46] sleger : or anything else useless for that matter. You'd think at least a few of this comments would have some hint of proof of intelligence, right... but no.
[2015-12-04 13:21:07] rapidtrades : sleger: and it wouldn't be a day with u acting like total shithead
[2015-12-04 13:21:48] sleger : stop insulting people, you are not 12 anymore
[2015-12-04 13:22:07] rapidtrades : ''You'd think at least a few of this comments would have some hint of proof of intelligence''
[2015-12-04 13:22:18] rapidtrades : sleger: projecting much? asshole
[2015-12-04 13:22:56] sleger : no need to insult people, be curteous
[2015-12-04 13:23:10] sleger : *courteous
[2015-12-04 13:24:49] podizzle3k : this is what happens when you get angsty emo guy in the same room as old salty guy
[2015-12-04 13:24:57] podizzle3k : and then theres me, precious and charming in all ways
[2015-12-04 13:25:15] podizzle3k : wuahhaha
[2015-12-04 13:25:25] rapidtrades : podizzle3k: hey u started this
[2015-12-04 13:25:52] podizzle3k : #trollstigator
[2015-12-04 13:26:26] podizzle3k : ok now time to wait for a move
[2015-12-04 13:26:35] podizzle3k : up or down make your move china
[2015-12-04 13:27:46] podizzle3k : omg that huobi wall
[2015-12-04 13:28:31] podizzle3k : its getting eaten up wow
[2015-12-04 13:29:09] podizzle3k : lol wtf
[2015-12-04 13:30:06] podizzle3k : this is insanity
[2015-12-04 13:30:24] rapidtrades : I see no volume on futures
[2015-12-04 13:33:08] podizzle3k : look at this http://i.imgur.com/kqWkAEZ.jpg
[2015-12-04 13:33:12] podizzle3k : seems legit
[2015-12-04 13:34:40] laisee : whyever not?
[2015-12-04 13:38:16] podizzle3k : sure of course people are placing single $1.5M btc orders
[2015-12-04 13:38:44] laisee : ;-)
[2015-12-04 13:39:03] habibi : i guess its the same guy who put 8.6 k sell wall before
[2015-12-04 13:39:11] habibi : buy from himself coz he can
[2015-12-04 13:39:17] habibi : i mean buy wall*
[2015-12-04 13:41:32] podizzle3k : looks like i made a good call dumping 7d at 360.0
[2015-12-04 13:41:37] podizzle3k : settled at 359.6
[2015-12-04 13:41:46] podizzle3k : saved some loot
[2015-12-04 13:42:07] podizzle3k : unless the taker fees were more than that
[2015-12-04 13:42:51] podizzle3k : send in that suicide orc from the two towers to take out this huobi wall
[2015-12-04 13:45:36] podizzle3k : there we go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBiA8qaLxbI
[2015-12-04 13:45:37] podizzle3k : success
[2015-12-04 13:49:00] podizzle3k : up we go
[2015-12-04 13:49:41] podizzle3k : market make my day
[2015-12-04 13:50:05] rapidtrades : choo choo!
[2015-12-04 13:50:30] rapidtrades : don't get left at the station boys!
[2015-12-04 13:50:54] podizzle3k : haha the person that bought that wall is now dumping it 3cny later
[2015-12-04 13:50:59] podizzle3k : massive profits
[2015-12-04 13:51:09] podizzle3k : cant blame him really
[2015-12-04 13:51:35] rapidtrades : $0.5 bucksies
[2015-12-04 13:51:43] podizzle3k : 3cny * 8000
[2015-12-04 13:51:49] podizzle3k : a little more than that
[2015-12-04 13:51:55] rapidtrades : $4000 bucksies
[2015-12-04 13:52:18] podizzle3k : if you have 2 million dollars is it even worth it for $4000?
[2015-12-04 13:52:25] podizzle3k : seems like $4000 would be chump change
[2015-12-04 13:52:44] rapidtrades : do that 100 times and ur talking real money
[2015-12-04 13:52:58] podizzle3k : probably all automated anywya
[2015-12-04 13:53:04] podizzle3k : just sit back and watch the $4000 roll in
[2015-12-04 13:53:08] rapidtrades : SHUT UP
[2015-12-04 13:53:17] podizzle3k : ...
[2015-12-04 13:53:19] rapidtrades : DON'T KILL THE DREAM
[2015-12-04 13:53:26] podizzle3k : o_o
[2015-12-04 13:53:55] podizzle3k : gonna do some real work bbl
[2015-12-04 13:57:06] rapidtrades : today looks like a tough day for the bulls....0 premium
[2015-12-04 13:57:24] rapidtrades : $2.5 on weekly tho
[2015-12-04 14:22:24] podizzle3k : premium doesnt mean shit except what people expect
[2015-12-04 14:22:32] podizzle3k : in fact 0 premium is better for bulls
[2015-12-04 14:22:45] podizzle3k : means less downward pressure and cheap prices
[2015-12-04 14:28:39] rapidtrades : smone seems upset
[2015-12-04 14:29:31] rapidtrades : so ppl expect more down...that's not a problem for the bulls...like at all
[2015-12-04 14:30:23] podizzle3k : its not a problem at all
[2015-12-04 14:30:32] podizzle3k : ppl expecting more down means theyre already locked into a short position
[2015-12-04 14:30:37] podizzle3k : and it creates upward pressure
[2015-12-04 14:30:39] podizzle3k : you'll learn
[2015-12-04 14:30:52] rapidtrades : I'll learn?
[2015-12-04 14:31:00] podizzle3k : keep at it tiger
[2015-12-04 14:33:00] podizzle3k : this volume at okcoin is absolutely ridiculous. approaching all time highs and the price isnt even moving