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BitMEX disabled their archive after the DDOS attack so I have decided to make my mirror publicly available.

Well now, a few days after I made this mirror available to the public, the original archive from BitMEX is online again.
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[2017-05-02 01:04:55] hitme1 : shorted ETH & LTC b4
[2017-05-02 01:04:59] hmmmYea : makes sense now
[2017-05-02 01:05:06] sleger : hmmmYea: you long eth ?
[2017-05-02 01:05:12] hitme1 : but long term BTC bull (trend trading)
[2017-05-02 01:05:17] hmmmYea : sleger: yea. im always long eth
[2017-05-02 01:05:27] sleger : hmmmYea: okayyyyy
[2017-05-02 01:05:34] hitme1 : right now long BTC short ETH
[2017-05-02 01:05:55] sleger : hitme1: ok you are completely wrong
[2017-05-02 01:05:58] Gr33d : hitme1: Scary.
[2017-05-02 01:06:00] sleger : no worries
[2017-05-02 01:06:03] hitme1 : ill stop out ETH if it looks to make new ATH
[2017-05-02 01:06:10] sleger : you havent been here for more than 24 hours
[2017-05-02 01:06:16] Gr33d : hitme1: Long btc long ETH. Easy money for me so far.
[2017-05-02 01:06:18] sleger : so in a week you'll be gone
[2017-05-02 01:06:18] sleger : tops
[2017-05-02 01:06:37] sleger : hmmmYea: gno long or short ?
[2017-05-02 01:06:42] RayRay : hello there
[2017-05-02 01:06:54] RayRay : what does LTCM17 mean?
[2017-05-02 01:07:11] hmmmYea : sleger: long...but only bc i expect more buyers than seller in the future
[2017-05-02 01:07:18] sleger : litecoin weapon armi year 17 @RayRay
[2017-05-02 01:07:30] sleger : hmmmYea: near term future then ?
[2017-05-02 01:07:35] hmmmYea : sleger: sure
[2017-05-02 01:07:38] hmmmYea : f
[2017-05-02 01:07:43] sleger : what price you think in 12months ?
[2017-05-02 01:07:48] hmmmYea : .065 on polo
[2017-05-02 01:07:49] RayRay : sleger: I do not follow
[2017-05-02 01:08:02] sleger : RayRay: did you try the chinese trollbox ?
[2017-05-02 01:08:13] RayRay : sleger: no I do not speak Chinese
[2017-05-02 01:08:16] sleger : hmmmYea: wow you're super optimistic
[2017-05-02 01:08:16] hmmmYea : sleger: i think it will hit $200/gno at some point in the next 3 months
[2017-05-02 01:08:30] sleger : rapid will be delighted
[2017-05-02 01:08:31] hmmmYea : sleger: no, thats was the current price
[2017-05-02 01:08:40] hmmmYea : .0648 print
[2017-05-02 01:08:48] hmmmYea : hahahaha
[2017-05-02 01:08:58] lcj : 8hours in bitmex=1month in MMM
[2017-05-02 01:09:22] sleger : hmmmYea: whats ur target for eth in 1-6 months ?
[2017-05-02 01:09:32] sleger : and will you sell then ?
[2017-05-02 01:09:57] hmmmYea : sleger: i really dont know. i think eth or some iteration of eth will take over the world
[2017-05-02 01:10:19] sleger : like I said a while ago i bought few tens of thousand eth at 10$ avg, i plan to sell half at 100-150$
[2017-05-02 01:10:20] hmmmYea : so im just gonna buy all the credible iterations at the token sale and hold them all
[2017-05-02 01:10:58] hitme1 : http://stockbee.blogspot.com/2010/08/how-to-find-profitable-ipo-trading.html
[2017-05-02 01:11:01] sleger : and keep half unless it hits 1000$ at which point i can buy a small country and become the cool dictator
[2017-05-02 01:11:08] hitme1 : good IPO tradong method, relevant to ICOs
[2017-05-02 01:11:42] hmmmYea : sleger: im going to trade in and out based on what is going on in the market... but ill prolly just average long a core position until the dev community/project quality stops growing
[2017-05-02 01:11:43] sleger : im already up a few million dollars year to date so i can wait and gamble big
[2017-05-02 01:12:09] sleger : i plan to invest some in tezos, seems like a credible competitor
[2017-05-02 01:12:12] hmmmYea : sleger: im up 200% in my first 2 months at this....
[2017-05-02 01:12:31] sleger : i bought at 10, its 75 now, but i went big
[2017-05-02 01:12:32] hitme1 : sleger: did you start with a small $10m loan?
[2017-05-02 01:12:44] hmmmYea : my crypto bankroll may eclipse my normal trading bankroll at somepoint
[2017-05-02 01:12:47] sleger : no i bought a few tens of thousands at 10$
[2017-05-02 01:12:54] sleger : so 100k-999k
[2017-05-02 01:13:07] hitme1 : nice, i bough a few hundred in single digis
[2017-05-02 01:13:16] hitme1 : broke student
[2017-05-02 01:13:17] hmmmYea : i think tezos is credible.. i will buy it... but im not impressed by the head guys leadership
[2017-05-02 01:13:24] sleger : but i make over a million a year on avg so it wasnt that risky for me
[2017-05-02 01:13:38] hmmmYea : vitalik is amazing bc he is an amazing communicator (and also super0smart)
[2017-05-02 01:13:52] sleger : i own many rental apartments etc so not the same position
[2017-05-02 01:14:02] sleger : the head dev at tezos is super smart
[2017-05-02 01:14:13] sleger : sometimes they appear as arrogant
[2017-05-02 01:14:22] sleger : vitalik is just a counter example
[2017-05-02 01:14:25] hmmmYea : sleger: agree. but can he build a community?
[2017-05-02 01:14:37] hmmmYea : thats what you need to be the standard
[2017-05-02 01:14:43] sleger : i think you have good insight, want to join our slack group ? need anon email
[2017-05-02 01:14:52] hmmmYea : yea sure
[2017-05-02 01:14:55] sleger : hmmmYea: yes and no, we'll see
[2017-05-02 01:15:04] sleger : he might raise enough
[2017-05-02 01:15:21] sleger : and tezos can evolve without core dev unlike other crypto
[2017-05-02 01:15:24] sleger : thats its beauty
[2017-05-02 01:15:25] hmmmYea : that trox email account is a throwaway
[2017-05-02 01:15:30] Gr33d : GNO cheaper here than Polo cool
[2017-05-02 01:15:40] uej : why is LTC futures price so higher on bitmex compared to other exchanges?
[2017-05-02 01:15:52] hmmmYea : sleger: you still have that one?
[2017-05-02 01:16:32] hmmmYea : emailed u
[2017-05-02 01:16:35] hitme1 : sleger: say you were starting from scartch (no savings, no job). what would u do to get your initial bankroll up (e.g a few grand)
[2017-05-02 01:16:36] sleger : hmmmYea: you emailed me to proton ?
[2017-05-02 01:16:42] hmmmYea : ya
[2017-05-02 01:16:54] sleger : no
[2017-05-02 01:17:02] sleger : sleger @ protonmail com
[2017-05-02 01:17:16] sleger : yes got it
[2017-05-02 01:17:31] Gr33d : One to add to my spam bot.
[2017-05-02 01:17:40] sleger : Gr33d: gl
[2017-05-02 01:18:15] Gr33d : lel
[2017-05-02 01:18:58] sleger : somehow spam filters are written by smarter people than spam trollers @Gr33d
[2017-05-02 01:19:15] sleger : and if you're one you can always apply for a traffic cop job
[2017-05-02 01:19:22] Gr33d : Honestly they aren't aha
[2017-05-02 01:20:21] sleger : well then i can always subpoena your internet service provider for your address
[2017-05-02 01:20:41] sleger : if that's what you really need
[2017-05-02 01:20:47] Gr33d : Dooooooo it
[2017-05-02 01:20:57] Gr33d : My school would hate that loool.
[2017-05-02 01:21:01] sleger : you know how much that whole procedure costs ? 10$
[2017-05-02 01:21:15] sleger : you know who pays the school bill ? your parents !
[2017-05-02 01:21:37] sleger : and they likely have logs of local IP and logins
[2017-05-02 01:22:14] sleger : *unplugged his home chromebook*
[2017-05-02 01:22:24] Gr33d : *unplugged*
[2017-05-02 01:23:03] Rookie : you hacker guys are scary
[2017-05-02 01:23:08] Gr33d : I'm sorry lord Sleger pls no subpoena me
[2017-05-02 01:23:21] sleger : i forgive you young kid
[2017-05-02 01:24:54] Gr33d : ANYWAY
[2017-05-02 01:25:23] sleger : say something interesting now
[2017-05-02 01:26:00] Gr33d : Gno 67 on Polo.
[2017-05-02 01:26:05] Gr33d : Pretty interesting, eh.
[2017-05-02 01:26:30] sleger : i hope gno goes back to < ico price quick
[2017-05-02 01:26:38] sleger : nothing to do with you though
[2017-05-02 01:26:49] micmix : GNO is not interesting
[2017-05-02 01:26:49] sleger : just something related to breakfast food
[2017-05-02 01:27:00] sleger : gNO sucks
[2017-05-02 01:28:19] Rookie : what would you guys estimate the revenue potential is for the decentralized prediction market niche?
[2017-05-02 01:28:38] Gr33d : $15
[2017-05-02 01:28:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 31322 @ 1425.9
[2017-05-02 01:28:55] Gr33d : short btc. They'll never learn.
[2017-05-02 01:29:19] sleger : Rookie: depends time horizon
[2017-05-02 01:29:27] sleger : it can be big but there are lots of problems
[2017-05-02 01:29:33] sleger : mostly AML / KYC
[2017-05-02 01:29:58] sleger : so right now augur + gno = maybe 50 millions if you're nice
[2017-05-02 01:30:01] sleger : at best
[2017-05-02 01:30:29] sleger : *disclaimer* : im long rep and <0
[2017-05-02 01:30:48] micmix : getting decentralized predictions work is really challenging, so far no one solved the problem
[2017-05-02 01:30:48] sleger : because gno didnt pump and i thought it was a good hedge if it did
[2017-05-02 01:31:05] micmix : augur is closer than gno
[2017-05-02 01:32:42] hmmmYea : micmix: gno is centralized on the DL
[2017-05-02 01:32:52] hmmmYea : no one is going to the "ultimate oracle"
[2017-05-02 01:33:10] hmmmYea : and the decentralized oracle of augur is a huge disadvantage
[2017-05-02 01:33:37] Rookie : how did BitMEX make out on COIN? if that isn't confidential
[2017-05-02 01:34:05] hmmmYea : humans have been settling bets just fine with a central trusted authority for thousands of years
[2017-05-02 01:34:32] sleger : its not as cool though
[2017-05-02 01:34:43] sleger : what if they start misheaving suddenly
[2017-05-02 01:34:56] sleger : lets make a website idea worth 1bn $
[2017-05-02 01:35:06] sleger : oh wait, they already did
[2017-05-02 01:35:20] micmix : there is no point to do crypto-based centralized bet settling, it's the same as betting websites that accept btc
[2017-05-02 01:35:47] hmmmYea : micmix: not quite
[2017-05-02 01:35:48] sleger : there's a point for a few people
[2017-05-02 01:36:02] hmmmYea : they are making the platform a protocol
[2017-05-02 01:36:14] hmmmYea : so anyone can build a business in their competitive ecosystem
[2017-05-02 01:36:21] sleger : true
[2017-05-02 01:36:51] Rookie : BankMEX has more trust, at least for me
[2017-05-02 01:36:55] sleger : and then if bitmex participates you can make bets on when rapid get REKT
[2017-05-02 01:37:24] sleger : or if its because of btc short, ltc short, zec long, gno long etc...
[2017-05-02 01:37:29] hmmmYea : Rookie: you will have to trust the pinnacle sportsbook bet settler on gnosis, not the gnosis founders
[2017-05-02 01:37:37] hmmmYea : sleger: lol
[2017-05-02 01:37:50] micmix : hmmmYea: does it increase trust in a centralized system? I'm not so sure
[2017-05-02 01:38:04] hmmmYea : micmix: the protocol is decentralized
[2017-05-02 01:38:09] sleger : i totally trust bookmakers
[2017-05-02 01:38:13] sleger : thats how they live off
[2017-05-02 01:38:20] micmix : ^^^ :+1:
[2017-05-02 01:38:22] sleger : only lower fees would make a sense
[2017-05-02 01:38:35] sleger : because it would somehow be more efficient
[2017-05-02 01:38:40] sleger : but its so easy
[2017-05-02 01:38:57] hmmmYea : micmix: the only part you have to trust is the guy saying man city did beat manu
[2017-05-02 01:38:58] finnagetdooped : stamp tho
[2017-05-02 01:38:58] sleger : blockchain isnt the solution to ALL problems even if it sounds cool
[2017-05-02 01:39:36] hmmmYea : micmix: would you rather wait 30 days for rep holders to vote, or 2 hours for the ladbrokes bet settler to enter it into his computer?
[2017-05-02 01:40:25] micmix : no, I will just get my money couple seconds after the game is over on some betting website
[2017-05-02 01:40:38] hmmmYea : micmix: yea. gnosis is going to match that function
[2017-05-02 01:40:42] sleger : yep cause they never ever cheated
[2017-05-02 01:40:54] hitme1 : FOMO long time
[2017-05-02 01:41:05] hmmmYea : bc the "ultimate oracle" is a huge red herring to appease the decentrailization is religion crowd
[2017-05-02 01:41:45] micmix : the most interesting part is not the oracle, it's setting the odds
[2017-05-02 01:41:48] hmmmYea : but none that means a good idea that is pre-MVP is worth 300M.... ofcourse
[2017-05-02 01:42:39] hmmmYea : micmix: yea... im low key trying to recruit old gambling acquaintances to see if they want to be market-makers on both platforms
[2017-05-02 01:43:55] Rookie : would you be surprised to hear that I've never placed an actual bet (for $) in my life?
[2017-05-02 01:44:01] Rookie : unless this counts
[2017-05-02 01:44:43] thomaskikansha : oh gno going up
[2017-05-02 01:45:01] sleger : oh gNO !
[2017-05-02 01:45:13] thomaskikansha : .07 omg
[2017-05-02 01:45:16] micmix : lol @sleger
[2017-05-02 01:45:35] Gr33d : Gno ez money
[2017-05-02 01:46:09] Gr33d : Discount Mmmmmmm
[2017-05-02 01:46:31] hmmmYea : i hope bitmex increases the leverage on gno tomorrow
[2017-05-02 01:46:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `GNOM17`: buy 25 @ 0.070421
[2017-05-02 01:47:20] thomaskikansha : ouch
[2017-05-02 01:47:43] Gr33d : Who shorts Gno smh
[2017-05-02 01:48:22] micmix : Gr33d: for every logn there is a short
[2017-05-02 01:48:30] sleger : i learned my lesson with zec
[2017-05-02 01:48:46] sleger : i dont short a low supply shitcoin with .... low supply
[2017-05-02 01:48:46] hmmmYea : i learned my lesson on gno
[2017-05-02 01:48:52] Gr33d : sleger: I agree Gno is shit but come on Zec was very different aha
[2017-05-02 01:49:04] hmmmYea : i was that mega rekt right after the ico
[2017-05-02 01:49:09] sleger : yes i did on zec what i should have down on gno
[2017-05-02 01:49:15] sleger : i would have made another fortune
[2017-05-02 01:49:42] sleger : but at least i took my loss very early
[2017-05-02 01:49:47] sleger : and it didnt burn
[2017-05-02 01:49:58] micmix : gno didn't have enough asks to buy up on listing
[2017-05-02 01:50:00] sleger : and although i wanted to do a repeat with gno i didnt
[2017-05-02 01:50:03] thomaskikansha : here it comes the upper cap
[2017-05-02 01:50:42] micmix : zec had more, I bought something like 30-40 zec in the first 10 min
[2017-05-02 01:51:09] sleger : oh well on futures ?
[2017-05-02 01:51:14] sleger : i sold them :D
[2017-05-02 01:51:29] sleger : not first 10 min though, but like 1 day after launch
[2017-05-02 01:51:33] micmix : yes, on zec futures when they were first listed
[2017-05-02 01:51:54] sleger : ah no after a 3-10x rise i thought it was stupidly high enough to sell
[2017-05-02 01:52:00] sleger : well it wasnt :)
[2017-05-02 01:52:14] micmix : it was, you just had to keep your liq price over 10 btc
[2017-05-02 01:52:27] sleger : but they neverguaranteed that
[2017-05-02 01:52:36] sleger : and they once said they were going to remove it
[2017-05-02 01:52:43] sleger : thats when i cut my short from 10
[2017-05-02 01:52:46] sleger : but they didnt
[2017-05-02 01:52:48] sleger : oh well
[2017-05-02 01:52:49] micmix : no, they said the limit will be removed, they decided against it
[2017-05-02 01:52:56] micmix : *then
[2017-05-02 01:52:57] sleger : cant really blame them too much on this one
[2017-05-02 01:53:23] micmix : dangerous game
[2017-05-02 01:53:23] sleger : it was a difficult position to be in since that limit was a bug
[2017-05-02 01:53:24] thomaskikansha : .075 on polo
[2017-05-02 01:53:37] micmix : I agree
[2017-05-02 01:53:48] sleger : i never really complained on that one because i could understand
[2017-05-02 01:54:04] sleger : never complained at all actually
[2017-05-02 01:54:09] micmix : rapid complained a lot :-)
[2017-05-02 01:54:29] sleger : what else is expected
[2017-05-02 01:54:33] sleger : look at archive
[2017-05-02 01:54:47] sleger : he disappeared after the nogNO pump
[2017-05-02 01:54:59] Rookie : Sally was the best zec trader out there :)
[2017-05-02 01:55:06] sleger : he'll be back
[2017-05-02 01:55:16] sleger : Rookie: who is sally ? cant remember
[2017-05-02 01:55:42] sleger : i think there was a much better one, wurstgelee maybe on that trade
[2017-05-02 01:55:50] sleger : called all the right ones
[2017-05-02 01:56:01] Rookie : sleger: oh I think you know her
[2017-05-02 01:56:08] sleger : @wurstgelee , you on zec ?
[2017-05-02 01:56:30] sleger : Rookie: my only love here is adriana
[2017-05-02 01:58:02] sleger : Im thinking about selling half my eth btw 100-145$
[2017-05-02 01:58:12] Rookie : I feel like this seal just now . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfSgUYpP69E
[2017-05-02 01:58:22] sleger : and most my btc around 1500-1700
[2017-05-02 01:59:42] micmix : you have to realise profit at some point I guess
[2017-05-02 01:59:51] Satoshi4Segwit : /price
[2017-05-02 01:59:54] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1412.39 (1.51%) Bitfinex : 1536.60 (0.61%) OKCоin : 1370.93 (1.11%) itBit : 1428.29 (1.14%) Kraken : 1400.90 (0.75%) GDAX : 1443.00 (0.56%) SLQ : 1 hour, 36 mins```
[2017-05-02 02:01:42] Gr33d : Cool
[2017-05-02 02:01:47] Gr33d : My last GNO sold
[2017-05-02 02:01:53] Gr33d : GG 250% profit
[2017-05-02 02:01:57] irvingtrader : shorting bitcoin
[2017-05-02 02:03:26] Rookie : good to know @sleger @micmix, you two are the only ones I take at face value around here
[2017-05-02 02:03:46] Rookie : that don't have BitMEX_ anyway
[2017-05-02 02:08:19] sleger : you can trust j8 tetsuo too i think
[2017-05-02 02:08:39] micmix : j8 for sure, tetsuo trolls a bit
[2017-05-02 02:10:34] micmix : and rapidtrades of course, he always says exactly what he thinks :smile:
[2017-05-02 02:11:31] sleger : aethlios also does what he says
[2017-05-02 02:11:42] sleger : Rookie:
[2017-05-02 02:11:59] micmix : yep
[2017-05-02 02:13:27] hitme1 : rapidtrades textually abused me
[2017-05-02 02:14:15] Gr33d : cough mark cough
[2017-05-02 02:14:18] Gr33d : and Gr33d ofc.
[2017-05-02 02:14:28] peasant_wizard : Is it mind boggling that GNOM17 opened at todays GNO bottom?
[2017-05-02 02:14:47] Rookie : sleger: it occurred to me on a recent 10-day Vipassana sit that I had actually lost money on that uber trolls advice (although I have learned muuuuch from him)
[2017-05-02 02:15:07] peasant_wizard : Futures contract predicting price of prediction market? Is that what happened?
[2017-05-02 02:18:16] snowflake : anyhow, good night all
[2017-05-02 02:50:58] danielrusso : is it btc's time?
[2017-05-02 02:53:58] hitme1 : i wouldnt bet against higher highs
[2017-05-02 02:56:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 1309 @ 0.004967
[2017-05-02 03:01:11] daveberns1 : /sentiment
[2017-05-02 03:01:13] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 23.27 / 76.73 Daily : 43.18 / 56.82 Weekly : 46.05 / 53.95 Monthly : 45.85 / 54.15```
[2017-05-02 03:01:44] daveberns1 : /rekt
[2017-05-02 03:01:44] trollbot : ``` /rekt is a paid command now! Pay 100 BTC to Farzad.```
[2017-05-02 03:01:54] daveberns1 : lol
[2017-05-02 03:02:05] daveberns1 : /joke
[2017-05-02 03:02:20] daveberns1 : /joke
[2017-05-02 03:02:25] daveberns1 : dammit
[2017-05-02 03:02:26] trollbot : ``` Trump should build that wall out of Hillary's emails since it seems no one can get over them. ```
[2017-05-02 03:02:31] trollbot : ``` My father taught me the first rule of theatre "Always leave them wanting more" A great man. Terrible anaesthetist. ```
[2017-05-02 03:07:05] Ugly_Old_Goat : spread out to 30
[2017-05-02 03:09:26] kicker : /prices
[2017-05-02 03:09:48] kicker : /price
[2017-05-02 03:09:49] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1412.60 (0.01%) Bitfinex : 1545.90 (0.61%) OKCоin : 1380.98 (0.73%) itBit : 1431.81 (0.25%) Kraken : 1409.00 (0.58%) GDAX : 1447.40 (0.30%) SLQ : 1 hour, 9 mins```
[2017-05-02 03:15:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 1843 @ 1452.1
[2017-05-02 03:41:38] arbitrage101 : blody red on polo
[2017-05-02 03:41:42] arbitrage101 : bloody
[2017-05-02 03:43:41] shillosopher : this btc sideways bullshit is annoying
[2017-05-02 03:43:54] arbitrage101 : how is it sideway
[2017-05-02 03:44:05] arbitrage101 : was below 1300 last week
[2017-05-02 03:44:10] arbitrage101 : now 1430
[2017-05-02 03:44:27] shillosopher : I'm impatient
[2017-05-02 03:44:34] arbitrage101 : XBT (-747.19%)
[2017-05-02 03:44:35] shillosopher : hasn't moved since this morning
[2017-05-02 03:44:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : Payday will be about 3 dollars per btc
[2017-05-02 03:44:59] arbitrage101 : nice payday
[2017-05-02 03:45:12] arbitrage101 : will buy sushi dinner tonight with my 3 dollars
[2017-05-02 03:45:32] Ugly_Old_Goat : At 9 dollars per day that is 3285, not a bad return on 1430
[2017-05-02 03:46:11] Ugly_Old_Goat : That is why you see June at 28 over as it is actually cheaper than Swap
[2017-05-02 03:46:37] arbitrage101 : it is not
[2017-05-02 03:46:55] arbitrage101 : can turn into discount very quick
[2017-05-02 03:47:48] Ugly_Old_Goat : Essentially paying about 1550 for June compared to 3285 for swap
[2017-05-02 03:48:05] arbitrage101 : what figures are these?
[2017-05-02 03:48:43] Ugly_Old_Goat : 20 dollar premium X 6
[2017-05-02 03:49:11] Ugly_Old_Goat : two months until expire so multiple is 6
[2017-05-02 03:49:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : Just an easy way to figure without going algrimic
[2017-05-02 03:49:58] Ugly_Old_Goat : algorithmic
[2017-05-02 03:50:31] Ugly_Old_Goat : Basic third grade math which is all I know
[2017-05-02 03:50:35] arbitrage101 : hard to trade on the yield dfference
[2017-05-02 03:51:07] arbitrage101 : MM here more intelligence than simple calculation
[2017-05-02 03:51:23] Ugly_Old_Goat : arbitrage101: Can't do it alone, must use technical for timing
[2017-05-02 03:51:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : I just average in
[2017-05-02 03:52:12] arbitrage101 : got burn a few times buying long future and shorting swap
[2017-05-02 03:52:25] arbitrage101 : should do reverse
[2017-05-02 03:52:35] Ugly_Old_Goat : Like right now I am 1434 short plus 2 from previous funding or 1436 and about ready to get paid another 3 so will be a 1439
[2017-05-02 03:53:26] Ugly_Old_Goat : Also, bear in mind that for every short swap I am long 7+ June
[2017-05-02 03:53:33] arbitrage101 : pretty surprise premium stay long for 2 funding periods
[2017-05-02 03:54:01] Ugly_Old_Goat : And looking to cover my short swap
[2017-05-02 03:54:01] arbitrage101 : guess the market is not efficient due to exchange issues
[2017-05-02 03:54:42] Ugly_Old_Goat : I still think we need a decent test of 1400 before we can go much higher
[2017-05-02 03:55:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : 4 minutes to pay day
[2017-05-02 03:56:03] arbitrage101 : here come sushi
[2017-05-02 03:56:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : Should pop up after payday and head back down especially if next 2 fundings are over .3
[2017-05-02 03:56:56] arbitrage101 : yea, seem to be the pattern
[2017-05-02 03:57:08] Ugly_Old_Goat : spread is holding at 30
[2017-05-02 03:57:09] carl : Pre-ffunding dump?
[2017-05-02 03:57:27] Ugly_Old_Goat : I will not be surpirsed if it goes over 100+
[2017-05-02 03:57:40] arbitrage101 : what spread
[2017-05-02 03:57:50] arbitrage101 : between which exchanges
[2017-05-02 03:57:50] Ugly_Old_Goat : perp june\
[2017-05-02 03:58:00] arbitrage101 : i see
[2017-05-02 03:58:13] arbitrage101 : would be tempted to short then
[2017-05-02 03:59:06] Ugly_Old_Goat : Also done it twice today and covered, now short at 1434 looking for test of 1400
[2017-05-02 03:59:31] longbydefault : Ugly_Old_Goat: you closed your futures?
[2017-05-02 03:59:33] arbitrage101 : not a particular good directional trader myself
[2017-05-02 03:59:34] Ugly_Old_Goat : 30 second till payday
[2017-05-02 03:59:54] Ugly_Old_Goat : longbydefault: hell no
[2017-05-02 04:00:09] Ugly_Old_Goat : I only vary the size of my long position
[2017-05-02 04:00:34] Ugly_Old_Goat : Pop up now looking for dip
[2017-05-02 04:00:38] longbydefault : Ugly_Old_Goat: what do you mean with 'now short at 1434'
[2017-05-02 04:01:05] Ugly_Old_Goat : That is what my entry price shows
[2017-05-02 04:01:11] longbydefault : for perp
[2017-05-02 04:01:42] Ugly_Old_Goat : But I have collected twoece sp actia;;u sjprt at 1439
[2017-05-02 04:02:19] j8 : have another drink maybe
[2017-05-02 04:02:32] arbitrage101 : what drink?
[2017-05-02 04:02:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : But remember I am long 7 June for every shot swup and the spread has made me 30 dollars today. Spread working as well or better as net long
[2017-05-02 04:03:32] arbitrage101 : still net short
[2017-05-02 04:03:32] Ugly_Old_Goat : Swap and June were even when pirce was 1390
[2017-05-02 04:03:43] arbitrage101 : due to china price
[2017-05-02 04:05:22] MikeHunt : they changed index
[2017-05-02 04:05:25] MikeHunt : delisting fingox
[2017-05-02 04:05:32] MikeHunt : made swap bearish
[2017-05-02 04:05:38] MikeHunt : so bulls gone to m17
[2017-05-02 04:05:45] arbitrage101 : dont think that is the reason we have premium
[2017-05-02 04:05:46] Ugly_Old_Goat : Payday was 4.80 per btic, not bad
[2017-05-02 04:06:11] Ugly_Old_Goat : Next payday will be higher
[2017-05-02 04:06:24] arbitrage101 : yea
[2017-05-02 04:06:40] arbitrage101 : quit trading and sux on juicy funding
[2017-05-02 04:06:51] Ugly_Old_Goat : So by next payday I will be short at 1445 rather than 1440
[2017-05-02 04:07:25] Ugly_Old_Goat : Again, it figures to over 3000 per year
[2017-05-02 04:07:34] Ugly_Old_Goat : I like my odds
[2017-05-02 04:07:41] arbitrage101 : funding rate here seems to be correlated to my weight
[2017-05-02 04:08:07] arbitrage101 : must be the good diner i have last week
[2017-05-02 04:08:19] longbydefault : lol
[2017-05-02 04:08:23] Ugly_Old_Goat : You have to be willing to stay short in case it does not work
[2017-05-02 04:08:47] Ugly_Old_Goat : So best to trade perp against June
[2017-05-02 04:13:29] irvingtrader : /sentiment
[2017-05-02 04:13:32] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 26.10 / 73.90 Daily : 43.27 / 56.73 Weekly : 46.12 / 53.89 Monthly : 45.83 / 54.17```
[2017-05-02 04:14:30] irvingtrader : /price
[2017-05-02 04:14:33] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1415.19 (0.18%) Bitfinex : 1546.20 (0.02%) OKCоin : 1379.46 (-0.11%) itBit : 1431.75 (0.00%) Kraken : 1406.99 (-0.14%) GDAX : 1445.98 (-0.10%) SLQ : 1 hour, 4 mins```
[2017-05-02 04:14:46] Gr33d : /rrekt
[2017-05-02 04:14:54] Gr33d : /rekt
[2017-05-02 04:14:54] trollbot : ``` /rekt is a paid command now! Pay 100 BTC to Farzad.```
[2017-05-02 04:15:00] Gr33d : lol
[2017-05-02 04:16:14] Gr33d : /joke
[2017-05-02 04:16:20] omicron : /rekt
[2017-05-02 04:16:20] trollbot : ``` /rekt is a paid command now! Pay 100 BTC to Farzad.```
[2017-05-02 04:16:22] trollbot : ``` My dog used to chase people on a bike a lot. It got so bad, finally I had to take his bike away.```
[2017-05-02 04:16:28] rugu : soon /help will be a paid command
[2017-05-02 04:16:47] omicron : if i pay 100 BTC, im rekt for sure
[2017-05-02 04:16:55] Gr33d : ^.^
[2017-05-02 04:18:18] rugu : There is a bot on gnosis thatalways places its buy order 0.000001 above the minimum amount
[2017-05-02 04:18:43] rugu : i keep changing my buy order and it always try to cut me
[2017-05-02 04:18:59] arbitrage101 : that is how bot compete with human
[2017-05-02 04:19:11] rugu : but then I made it go really high
[2017-05-02 04:19:24] arbitrage101 : raw "annoy the hell out of you" tactic
[2017-05-02 04:19:35] omicron : those bots are actually trying to sell to you at a higher price
[2017-05-02 04:19:48] rugu : so it won't cross buy or 0.064 interestingly
[2017-05-02 04:19:51] omicron : they are forcing your bid up, so they get bigger profit. this is an old trick from the 80s
[2017-05-02 04:20:17] omicron : my suggestion is ignore the order book and just place limit orders based on your chart analysis
[2017-05-02 04:20:23] arbitrage101 : omicron: only work if the spread is large
[2017-05-02 04:20:27] omicron : if it fills great. if not, theres a better trade tomorrow
[2017-05-02 04:21:02] omicron : ya, this is the risk of trading large spreads. and this is why traders prefer spreads as tight as a 22 year old
[2017-05-02 04:35:48] danielrusso : btc wowow
[2017-05-02 04:36:32] Ugly_Old_Goat : looks like we going to new highs again
[2017-05-02 04:36:42] Gr33d : bitcoin china and japan wowow
[2017-05-02 04:36:42] longbydefault : /price
[2017-05-02 04:36:45] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1419.57 (0.00%) Bitfinex : 1559.00 (0.00%) OKCоin : 1384.13 (0.00%) itBit : 1437.10 (0.00%) Kraken : 1409.00 (0.00%) GDAX : 1453.50 (0.00%) SLQ : < 1 min```
[2017-05-02 04:37:39] Ugly_Old_Goat : 1500 here we come
[2017-05-02 04:39:13] MikeHunt : should see some major arbing today
[2017-05-02 04:39:23] MikeHunt : (bank holiday yesterday)
[2017-05-02 04:40:52] arbitrage101 : MikeHunt: you have been out for a bit?
[2017-05-02 04:42:15] MikeHunt : arbitrage101: got chopped to piece a while back, trying to fight my way back up
[2017-05-02 04:42:31] arbitrage101 : there is no easy arb right now
[2017-05-02 04:43:09] MikeHunt : arbitrage101: apparently some ppl with taiwanese accounts were arbing finex
[2017-05-02 04:48:03] j8 : just sell the swap, what more do you need
[2017-05-02 04:48:08] Ugly_Old_Goat : This is either the place to sell or we are going to new levels
[2017-05-02 04:48:21] danielrusso : feeling new levels
[2017-05-02 04:48:47] MikeHunt : imo this pump ends when fingox does
[2017-05-02 04:49:13] Zelo : which might take a while
[2017-05-02 04:49:17] arbitrage101 : j8: shhhss
[2017-05-02 04:49:25] arbitrage101 : dont let the MM hears
[2017-05-02 04:49:40] micmix : yes ppl, buy more june, sell more swap
[2017-05-02 04:49:49] arbitrage101 : micmix: lol man
[2017-05-02 04:49:49] micmix : my MM will thank you
[2017-05-02 04:49:50] Ugly_Old_Goat : j8: agreed it should go down, but could break out good place to sell but I am already shrt at this level
[2017-05-02 04:49:53] MikeHunt : http://i.imgur.com/xOjNhmS.png
[2017-05-02 04:49:58] arbitrage101 : i done that a few times in the past, always got burn
[2017-05-02 04:50:32] Ugly_Old_Goat : Prolbm is I only se 30 down but possilbe 70 up
[2017-05-02 04:51:08] MikeHunt : finex may go down a bit as taiwanese arb it
[2017-05-02 04:51:11] MikeHunt : meaning mex should pump
[2017-05-02 04:51:17] MikeHunt : as other exchanges get dragged up
[2017-05-02 04:51:29] arbitrage101 : MikeHunt: i have less than 100 dollars left on finex
[2017-05-02 04:51:38] arbitrage101 : like to get it out before they shut down
[2017-05-02 04:51:40] MikeHunt : arbitrage101: wise decision
[2017-05-02 04:51:57] Ugly_Old_Goat : If we break it should be hard an fast
[2017-05-02 04:52:05] MikeHunt : arbitrage101: they still have quite a lot of btc left in their cold wallet thou
[2017-05-02 04:52:24] Ugly_Old_Goat : MikeHunt: me too
[2017-05-02 04:52:35] arbitrage101 : doubt they can continue their business after losing trust
[2017-05-02 04:52:39] Ugly_Old_Goat : so what I am not giving it up
[2017-05-02 04:52:47] MikeHunt : arbitrage101: they havent got that far yet
[2017-05-02 04:53:10] MikeHunt : titanic sank very slowly for first few hours, then sank very quickly in last 20 minutes
[2017-05-02 04:53:15] MikeHunt : i think we see gradual climb
[2017-05-02 04:53:21] MikeHunt : and accelerate towards end
[2017-05-02 04:53:31] MikeHunt : hence i said b4 upto 3k possible
[2017-05-02 04:53:45] MikeHunt : exponential
[2017-05-02 04:53:49] MikeHunt : curve
[2017-05-02 04:53:57] Actualiteit : growth
[2017-05-02 04:54:07] micmix : I see 5k by the end of May
[2017-05-02 04:54:07] Ugly_Old_Goat : arbitrage101: they have not lost trust, the banks shut down of off ramp. I think it is just the beginning and that is why I am so bullish. On and off ramps will be closed and demand will go up. If that happens 15000 i possible
[2017-05-02 04:54:18] micmix : not sure what year though
[2017-05-02 04:54:19] MikeHunt : micmix: easily possible as okgox is also fucked
[2017-05-02 04:54:28] arbitrage101 : micmix: on btc?
[2017-05-02 04:54:33] arbitrage101 : that bullish?
[2017-05-02 04:54:33] MikeHunt : fingox+okgox could easily get near 5k
[2017-05-02 04:55:20] micmix : arbitrage101: yeah, $5,000 by the end of May. maybe May 2020-2025 or so
[2017-05-02 04:55:33] MikeHunt : lol
[2017-05-02 04:55:44] arbitrage101 : micmix: technology evolved fast, maybe it will get replaced
[2017-05-02 04:55:51] arbitrage101 : by eth?
[2017-05-02 04:55:55] MikeHunt : yup
[2017-05-02 04:55:57] arbitrage101 : blockchain 2.0
[2017-05-02 04:56:09] micmix : maybe, but I doubt it's going to be eth
[2017-05-02 04:56:17] arbitrage101 : any reason?
[2017-05-02 04:56:18] micmix : digital USD
[2017-05-02 04:56:23] arbitrage101 : i see
[2017-05-02 04:56:29] MikeHunt : http://i.imgur.com/yLneuGF.png
[2017-05-02 04:56:32] arbitrage101 : govenment saction version
[2017-05-02 04:56:54] danielrusso : eth = bank coin
[2017-05-02 04:56:55] danielrusso : no thx
[2017-05-02 04:57:07] danielrusso : change the rules anytime
[2017-05-02 04:57:14] micmix : yes. with non-government crypto going completely underground
[2017-05-02 04:57:46] Ugly_Old_Goat : My biggest concern is too many are bullish now. But that said how many that sold have gotten back in? What about the flippaning? Plus there is a huge new demand and on ramps are quickly closing.
[2017-05-02 04:58:26] Ugly_Old_Goat : So we cane easily go hyperbolic. I just hope not to fast and I do not want my gains socialized
[2017-05-02 05:01:32] micmix : j8: sold a bit of coins today for $1990+ CAD on coinsquare. Was so close to 2k, I had champagne ready but no :-(
[2017-05-02 05:01:57] j8 : yeah we're close!
[2017-05-02 05:02:06] micmix : maybe tomorrow
[2017-05-02 05:02:47] j8 : i'm used to thinking of a bitcoin as $1000 more or less, may need to adjust
[2017-05-02 05:03:06] micmix : yeah, 2k is a nice number
[2017-05-02 05:03:10] arbitrage101 : j8: you are ultra bullish on btc also?
[2017-05-02 05:03:35] j8 : not ultra bullish
[2017-05-02 05:03:42] j8 : cautiously bullish i guess
[2017-05-02 05:04:13] arbitrage101 : my view is more money can be made on alt
[2017-05-02 05:04:30] arbitrage101 : the standard boom-bust cycle
[2017-05-02 05:06:11] j8 : probably, i don't really pay enough attention to alts to do well at. better to stick to what i know
[2017-05-02 05:06:22] micmix : arbitrage101: I cannot say I'm ultra bullish. I think there is a good chance that we see 5k+ btc at some point but there is also a 10%-20% chance that btc will be worth zero
[2017-05-02 05:06:59] j8 : i bought some alts defensively during the BU fud, worked out well. but not much
[2017-05-02 05:07:04] bitroll : the only way i can see zero is if an altcoin replaces it
[2017-05-02 05:07:05] arbitrage101 : micmix: 20% chance it will be worth 0 is quite high
[2017-05-02 05:07:32] micmix : it is, maybe not zero but more like not easily convertible to fiat
[2017-05-02 05:07:56] arbitrage101 : it is getting hard to convert to fiat if you are a whale
[2017-05-02 05:08:17] micmix : so zero in practical terms unless you need money for dark markets
[2017-05-02 05:08:38] arbitrage101 : in Malaysia, there is a huge discount on btc right now
[2017-05-02 05:08:49] arbitrage101 : Rm200 below international rate
[2017-05-02 05:08:50] Gr33d : btc inching up
[2017-05-02 05:08:59] arbitrage101 : around 30-40 dollars
[2017-05-02 05:09:01] hitme1 : 3 letters
[2017-05-02 05:09:02] hitme1 : A
[2017-05-02 05:09:02] hitme1 : T
[2017-05-02 05:09:04] hitme1 : H
[2017-05-02 05:09:12] Zelo : awesome
[2017-05-02 05:09:56] danielrusso : oooh lala btc
[2017-05-02 05:10:04] arbitrage101 : j8: some coins went up 3-4 folds during BU fud
[2017-05-02 05:10:19] arbitrage101 : eth, zec, ltc,etc
[2017-05-02 05:10:34] arbitrage101 : any coin that traded on finex
[2017-05-02 05:10:56] Gr33d : And pop
[2017-05-02 05:11:00] arbitrage101 : so exchange risk + BU fud == good for alt
[2017-05-02 05:11:05] Gr33d : /price
[2017-05-02 05:11:07] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1424.68 (0.36%) Bitfinex : 1557.70 (-0.08%) OKCоin : 1380.03 (-0.30%) itBit : 1444.11 (0.49%) Kraken : 1411.00 (0.14%) GDAX : 1461.26 (0.53%) SLQ : 34 mins```
[2017-05-02 05:11:10] j8 : yeah, some days everything on polo would be up
[2017-05-02 05:11:18] danielrusso : "The great rotation"
[2017-05-02 05:12:46] j8 : and now btc is hitting highs and alts haven't dropped
[2017-05-02 05:13:18] Zelo : alts haven't dropped?
[2017-05-02 05:13:25] arbitrage101 : alt corrected a bit
[2017-05-02 05:13:29] arbitrage101 : 10-20%
[2017-05-02 05:13:48] j8 : yeah a little, still way up
[2017-05-02 05:13:54] hitme1 : wait till new high gets confoirmed
[2017-05-02 05:14:53] arbitrage101 : shorting swap here plus polo lending is the play of the day
[2017-05-02 05:16:29] Gr33d : Less than 100btc across top exchanges for all to ATH :)
[2017-05-02 05:16:40] hitme1 : beam me up scotty
[2017-05-02 05:17:13] Zelo : this is some fomo situation right here
[2017-05-02 05:19:42] hitme1 : bestow upon me, ye riches
[2017-05-02 05:20:03] omicron : gnossis is getting shit on like sean spicer
[2017-05-02 05:20:22] omicron : ripple is 15% crippled
[2017-05-02 05:20:34] Rune : gno sudden dump
[2017-05-02 05:20:39] Rune : wow
[2017-05-02 05:21:00] omicron : gno was a fuggin scam anyhow. dudes put up a website and raise 12m
[2017-05-02 05:21:11] omicron : fuhk. i should do dat
[2017-05-02 05:21:20] hitme1 : same
[2017-05-02 05:21:27] hitme1 : 1 420 blaze it
[2017-05-02 05:21:28] omicron : well if onecoin can make money, i guess we are the idiots here
[2017-05-02 05:21:37] irvingtrader : omicron: count me in 8v
[2017-05-02 05:21:40] Rune : you also need many millions to fake invest in your own project
[2017-05-02 05:21:47] Rune : to make it look legit