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[2017-05-01 21:37:14] Ugly_Old_Goat : Trade: Quite a bit
[2017-05-01 21:37:15] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1416.98 (0.19%) Bitfinex : 1559.00 (0.85%) OKCоin : 1377.10 (1.26%) itBit : 1447.69 (0.62%) Kraken : 1412.10 (-0.20%) GDAX : 1465.05 (0.51%) SLQ : 39 mins```
[2017-05-01 21:37:32] Nutella : finex blowing up?
[2017-05-01 21:37:39] Ugly_Old_Goat : I hold core in June futures and trade swap
[2017-05-01 21:37:49] Trade : people talking about short squeeze coming on BFX
[2017-05-01 21:37:56] biz : finex always blowing up. market buying to get the fuck off that exchange
[2017-05-01 21:37:57] podizzle3k : nutella word is there are shorts due to be liquidated at $1600 on finex that would blow through $100s in the asks
[2017-05-01 21:38:06] podizzle3k : so $1600 straight to $2000 is possible
[2017-05-01 21:38:19] Ugly_Old_Goat : I trade futures too but must be played with more extreme swings
[2017-05-01 21:38:22] Trade : Will I regret closing my long at 1448? lol
[2017-05-01 21:38:30] j8 : the $1600 part is made up though
[2017-05-01 21:38:35] Actualiteit : Trade: mmmmmaybe
[2017-05-01 21:39:04] podizzle3k : just be patient u know the money will flow into alts over time
[2017-05-01 21:39:06] Ugly_Old_Goat : And rather than sell June I prefer selling swap
[2017-05-01 21:39:25] Ugly_Old_Goat : Just be Jack be nimble
[2017-05-01 21:39:46] Ugly_Old_Goat : Jack be nimbe, jack be quick . . . and burnt a hole in his pants
[2017-05-01 21:40:38] sleger : podizzle3k: and you put any value to nutella word because .... ?
[2017-05-01 21:41:01] Nutella : gno=future pump
[2017-05-01 21:41:27] sleger : yes it will pump
[2017-05-01 21:41:32] sleger : from 0.001 to 0.002 :D
[2017-05-01 21:41:51] Nutella : wont go down below ICO
[2017-05-01 21:41:59] Gr33d : Solid 100bitcoin support for GNO at kraken.... 90% down from current price
[2017-05-01 21:42:05] Trade : well u have to say, everyone's had plenty of chances to take their profits this rally
[2017-05-01 21:42:22] hitme1 : let it ride
[2017-05-01 21:42:29] Ugly_Old_Goat : 1450 in swap almost!
[2017-05-01 21:43:02] immackay : what in the holy name of jesus christ our saviour is bitcoin doing today
[2017-05-01 21:43:09] Nutella : breakout could be coming to GNO
[2017-05-01 21:43:10] Trade : 100 point+ rallies w/o pullback unusual
[2017-05-01 21:43:16] shillosopher : bitcoin is doing
[2017-05-01 21:43:21] MikeHunt : bitcoin gone terminal
[2017-05-01 21:43:30] hitme1 : immackay: the innevitable!
[2017-05-01 21:43:33] Actualiteit : bitcoin gone full ragnarok
[2017-05-01 21:43:45] Ugly_Old_Goat : Trade: yes one day it will go up and just keep going up
[2017-05-01 21:43:53] Actualiteit : forever
[2017-05-01 21:44:09] Ugly_Old_Goat : Actualiteit: no not forever
[2017-05-01 21:44:23] Actualiteit : ah damnit why you have to burst my bubble m8
[2017-05-01 21:44:29] hitme1 : Ugly_Old_Goat: it btoke ATH thats why
[2017-05-01 21:44:35] sleger : margin shorts on finex havent really gone down at all yet
[2017-05-01 21:44:38] hitme1 : new ATH each day every day
[2017-05-01 21:44:53] Nutella : its a bubble, burst any day now
[2017-05-01 21:44:55] hitme1 : shorts will never learn
[2017-05-01 21:45:08] hitme1 : Nutella: ye they said that in 2011
[2017-05-01 21:45:16] hitme1 : and 2012 etc
[2017-05-01 21:45:17] Nutella : they were right
[2017-05-01 21:45:19] Ugly_Old_Goat : hitme1: correct, you do not short this market
[2017-05-01 21:45:24] Nutella : and they were right again
[2017-05-01 21:45:26] Nutella : and in 2013
[2017-05-01 21:45:28] Gr33d : Recent bad events (with bitcoin at relatively high prices) means 90% of people holding bitcoin now are longtern believers.. means price will go up and up with only small sell offs.
[2017-05-01 21:45:34] Nutella : 3 times it dropped >80%
[2017-05-01 21:45:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : You can sell hoping to cover that is all
[2017-05-01 21:45:38] Nutella : so it was a bubble
[2017-05-01 21:45:38] sleger : agreed, dont short, but take profits sometimes, then reenter etc
[2017-05-01 21:45:55] hitme1 : $10k BTC by christmas
[2017-05-01 21:46:12] hitme1 : $5k by summer
[2017-05-01 21:46:13] Actualiteit : hitme1: 100k btc next week
[2017-05-01 21:46:15] Ugly_Old_Goat : I have been a happy seller today. Taking btc home to bank
[2017-05-01 21:46:22] Ugly_Old_Goat : Thank you for your support
[2017-05-01 21:46:29] hitme1 : made 1btc today
[2017-05-01 21:46:34] hitme1 : off of 10 satoshi
[2017-05-01 21:46:41] Actualiteit : gz
[2017-05-01 21:46:53] aron : hitme1 bs
[2017-05-01 21:47:02] hitme1 : lol
[2017-05-01 21:47:20] hitme1 : well the 10 satoshi was BS rest was quite accurate
[2017-05-01 21:47:29] shillosopher : hitme1: wow 10 sat? I did that with 1 sat today
[2017-05-01 21:47:34] shillosopher : pleb
[2017-05-01 21:47:59] shillosopher : lern2traed
[2017-05-01 21:48:00] Actualiteit : shillosopher: hahaha casual.... I made 100 btc today off of 1 litoshi
[2017-05-01 21:48:08] Nutella : who has bigger GNO volume now? kraken or polo
[2017-05-01 21:48:12] shillosopher : Actualiteit: dayum
[2017-05-01 21:48:22] Actualiteit : Nutella: gnomes?
[2017-05-01 21:48:25] Actualiteit : great little fellas
[2017-05-01 21:49:04] Trade : gotta wait for next GNO round, then I'll take a break lol
[2017-05-01 21:49:33] aron : lol who said that btc will go down 80%?
[2017-05-01 21:49:36] Nutella : if long, make sure to buy shortly before limits, this will raise the price for next round
[2017-05-01 21:49:46] Nutella : i'll give u 5 sec warning
[2017-05-01 21:49:47] aron : no way man. the lowest itll go to is 1400
[2017-05-01 21:49:48] Actualiteit : aron: it will after reaching 500MM next month
[2017-05-01 21:49:56] aron : 500mm?
[2017-05-01 21:50:06] Actualiteit : aron: sorry, i meant 5bn
[2017-05-01 21:50:12] aron : :/
[2017-05-01 21:50:17] Ugly_Old_Goat : looks like we are rolling over
[2017-05-01 21:50:24] aron : 5bn too low prob reach 9999bn
[2017-05-01 21:50:28] Actualiteit : aron: true
[2017-05-01 21:50:36] Actualiteit : i tend to be conservative
[2017-05-01 21:50:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : hard break could come soon
[2017-05-01 21:50:39] aron : well all own islands
[2017-05-01 21:51:25] Trade : How does this show BFX Shorts explode at 1600? https://www.bfxdata.com/positions/btcusd
[2017-05-01 21:51:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : missed my 1450 sell, oh well
[2017-05-01 21:52:05] Actualiteit : yeah i tend to not pick round numbers anymore because of that
[2017-05-01 21:52:26] Actualiteit : missed so much orders by 10 fucking cents
[2017-05-01 21:52:27] Ugly_Old_Goat : Spread at 28
[2017-05-01 21:54:10] Clock : at what price are you guys buying?
[2017-05-01 21:54:18] Ugly_Old_Goat : Actualiteit: I am too lazy t be that preciise
[2017-05-01 21:55:05] Nutella : 5mins till limits are raised
[2017-05-01 21:55:07] Actualiteit : Ugly_Old_Goat: meh I just put it 30 cents under/above where I want to sell/buy
[2017-05-01 21:55:18] Nutella : guess doesn't mean much now cos price is close to polo
[2017-05-01 21:55:24] Ugly_Old_Goat : My average is 10 lower but collecte 2 so far so aveage is only 8 lower
[2017-05-01 21:55:58] Nutella : good time to rotate into polo/kraken if u want to escape the limits
[2017-05-01 21:56:23] Ugly_Old_Goat : Actualiteit: I don;t get into cunthair debates
[2017-05-01 21:57:08] Ugly_Old_Goat : Looks like the break will happen soon
[2017-05-01 21:58:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 420 @ 1466.5
[2017-05-01 21:59:08] Ugly_Old_Goat : Late longs about to get rkt
[2017-05-01 21:59:33] Trade : It's GNO time
[2017-05-01 22:00:05] EastIndiaCompany : to crash more
[2017-05-01 22:00:18] biz : no new GNO rekts
[2017-05-01 22:00:28] Trade : equilibrium :)
[2017-05-01 22:00:58] Trade : 0.0487 Polo
[2017-05-01 22:01:36] Clock : do we have a python wrapper for bitmex?
[2017-05-01 22:02:04] stf28 : Clock: https://github.com/BitMEX/sample-market-maker
[2017-05-01 22:02:15] Alexandrg1974 : /sentiment
[2017-05-01 22:02:17] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 45.19 / 54.81 Daily : 40.94 / 59.06 Weekly : 45.65 / 54.35 Monthly : 45.74 / 54.26```
[2017-05-01 22:02:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 380 @ 1437.8
[2017-05-01 22:02:40] stf28 : inside the git is the websocket and api
[2017-05-01 22:03:28] Clock : stf28: thanks i will check it out
[2017-05-01 22:04:59] Nutella : gnosis stable now
[2017-05-01 22:05:11] Nutella : hard money will rotate to it from btc
[2017-05-01 22:05:36] hitme1 : alts money will flow into BTC IMO
[2017-05-01 22:05:42] hitme1 : alts had their fun
[2017-05-01 22:05:47] Nutella : btc= digital gold, ltc=digital silver gno=diamonds
[2017-05-01 22:06:00] Actualiteit : Nutella: gnomes have gold as well m8
[2017-05-01 22:06:07] hitme1 : well done to ETH foundation on distracting the public from BTC
[2017-05-01 22:06:08] chinnno15 : @Clock the one in sample-market-maker is kind of garbage. Check this one out https://github.com/joliveros/bitmex-client
[2017-05-01 22:07:45] Farzad2 : chinnno15: is it yours ?
[2017-05-01 22:07:58] chinnno15 : yes
[2017-05-01 22:08:07] Farzad2 : good job :)
[2017-05-01 22:08:18] stf28 : chinnno15: nice does it uses ws ?
[2017-05-01 22:08:31] chinnno15 : it's autogenerated. But it's much better than swagger-py and other clients
[2017-05-01 22:08:44] chinnno15 : yes, it has classes for websockets
[2017-05-01 22:09:10] stf28 : oh yeah misread
[2017-05-01 22:09:24] stf28 : does anyone uses the node mirror thing ?
[2017-05-01 22:09:32] chinnno15 : this is another that I built https://github.com/joliveros/bitmex-websocket
[2017-05-01 22:09:38] chinnno15 : but it is websocket only
[2017-05-01 22:09:42] Farzad2 : chinnno15: how is it auto generated ?
[2017-05-01 22:09:51] Farzad2 : stf28: what is node mirror thing >?
[2017-05-01 22:09:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 100 @ 1450.5
[2017-05-01 22:09:58] frog : Trade: he makes assumption the people who open short position with 3:1 leverage will have stop losses above 1600, and order book is too thin without triggering stop losses at higher level
[2017-05-01 22:10:14] BitMEX_Sam : chinnno15: The `bitmex-client` is just the swagger-codegen project, no?
[2017-05-01 22:10:24] hitme1 : BTFD!
[2017-05-01 22:10:32] BitMEX_Sam : In which case it should be the same as https://github.com/BitMEX/api-connectors/tree/master/clients/python
[2017-05-01 22:11:00] chinnno15 : farzad2: using this https://github.com/swagger-api/swagger-codegen
[2017-05-01 22:11:05] stf28 : Farzad2: don't remember where but i've seen a node server that mirrors bitmex data locally
[2017-05-01 22:11:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 1429.7
[2017-05-01 22:11:37] chinnno15 : BitMEX_Sam: yep
[2017-05-01 22:11:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : About time
[2017-05-01 22:11:54] Ugly_Old_Goat : such em in blow em out
[2017-05-01 22:12:05] frog : Trade: similar to run up to +1500 on BFX, see candle at 14:22
[2017-05-01 22:12:07] hitme1 : weak hands will fold
[2017-05-01 22:12:09] BitMEX_Sam : stf28: Farzad2: https://github.com/BitMEX/api-connectors/tree/master/official-ws/delta-server
[2017-05-01 22:12:17] chinnno15 : BitMex_Sam: It would be so cool if you could publish that on pypi
[2017-05-01 22:12:24] Nutella : god pls kill bitcoin
[2017-05-01 22:12:30] stf28 : yes this thanks @BitMEX_Sam does anyone uses this ?
[2017-05-01 22:12:31] Nutella : this time it stays down for good
[2017-05-01 22:12:36] hitme1 : god IS bitcoin
[2017-05-01 22:12:43] Gr33d : Confirmed.
[2017-05-01 22:12:45] BitMEX_Sam : chinnno15: The websocket client or the automatically built swagger-codegen project?
[2017-05-01 22:12:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 29 @ 1429.5
[2017-05-01 22:12:59] chinnno15 : the swagger-codegen client
[2017-05-01 22:14:41] chinnno15 : BitMex_Sam: if you don't have time for whatever reason I'll just keep publish stuff I build that you guys might find useful. I don't mind sharing
[2017-05-01 22:14:54] frog : Trade: someone mentioned that BFX may provide extra liquidity which would limit the price explosion, but not certain if they would do this
[2017-05-01 22:15:03] BitMEX_Sam : chinnno15: Appreciate it, we're pretty busy, but I'll keep in touch
[2017-05-01 22:15:28] Trade : Thx @frog
[2017-05-01 22:15:57] Nutella : don't take ur eyes off gno boys
[2017-05-01 22:16:10] chinnno15 : BitMex_Sam: sounds good. Thanks
[2017-05-01 22:16:39] Nutella : frog: source?
[2017-05-01 22:17:03] frog : from link trade provided from reddit
[2017-05-01 22:18:11] frog : this on i think note big "if" https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/68muot/17k_bitfinex_contracts_short_starting_at_1600_if/
[2017-05-01 22:18:51] ross : btc to 1000 pls
[2017-05-01 22:19:16] frog : BTC price increase may be related to attempt to hunt shorts on BFX among other things
[2017-05-01 22:21:41] Trade : /price
[2017-05-01 22:21:43] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1396.42 (-1.45%) Bitfinex : 1530.00 (-1.86%) OKCоin : 1356.71 (-1.48%) itBit : 1431.71 (-1.10%) Kraken : 1400.00 (-0.86%) GDAX : 1451.00 (-0.96%) SLQ : 44 mins```
[2017-05-01 22:21:49] frog : bfx premium decrease to $40 for short period, then went back up to $100 some shorts may have closed or downsized their positions then
[2017-05-01 22:22:17] Trade : GDAX premium remains interesting. Justification?
[2017-05-01 22:23:01] Trade : Arb the US Exchanges now? lol
[2017-05-01 22:23:58] j8 : yeah it's not just GDAX, gemini and itbit are up there
[2017-05-01 22:24:44] Trade : Are Kraken and Stamp that difficult to work with in volume?
[2017-05-01 22:27:38] j8 : i don't have a good explanation, except maybe that the domestic arbs are flowing more easily than international
[2017-05-01 22:28:41] j8 : within the US, and within the EU
[2017-05-01 22:29:20] Trade : I've never used Stamp or Kraken. Are they more retail focused, credit card type? Difficult for large wire xfers?
[2017-05-01 22:29:55] micmix : j8: my theory is that finex is doing MM on finex and hedge/arb on one of US exchanges
[2017-05-01 22:30:08] sleger : Trade: no but it takes time
[2017-05-01 22:30:12] frog : Trade: gemini probably gives best price discovery with their auction system,
[2017-05-01 22:30:23] micmix : arb within US exchanges is very fast
[2017-05-01 22:30:58] micmix : so gemini/gdax/itbit are very close almost always
[2017-05-01 22:31:05] j8 : i guess that would make sense, but why not hedge on bitstamp/kraken
[2017-05-01 22:31:20] KAHIR : BitMEX_Sam: what will happen to open contracts in gnom when it is 12:00 UTC
[2017-05-01 22:31:24] frog : micmix: they could probably pull that off
[2017-05-01 22:31:36] sleger : there was a large difference gdax / gemini for past 48 hrs (not now)
[2017-05-01 22:32:01] micmix : j8: not sure, maybe slower wires or lower limits on stamp/kraken
[2017-05-01 22:32:22] frog : sleger: about $80 now
[2017-05-01 22:32:50] sleger : frog: 6$
[2017-05-01 22:33:04] micmix : yes, gdax/gemini arbs are fast, one day to transfer USD from one to another
[2017-05-01 22:33:25] micmix : 2 days max
[2017-05-01 22:33:45] frog : sleger: sorry looking at bfx premium over these
[2017-05-01 22:33:51] BitMEX_Greg : KAHIR: Hi
[2017-05-01 22:34:01] KAHIR : hey
[2017-05-01 22:34:17] sleger : are you threatening of blowing the whole place ?
[2017-05-01 22:34:51] KAHIR : BitMEX_Greg: i would like to know what will happen if i have open contracts on gnos and the time passed 12:00 UTC
[2017-05-01 22:34:56] KAHIR : they will reset ?
[2017-05-01 22:34:58] BitMEX_Greg : KAHIR: We will change to Fair Price Marking, you can read about Fair Price here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2017-05-01 22:35:11] KAHIR : i know that
[2017-05-01 22:35:29] KAHIR : i mean when it is changed
[2017-05-01 22:35:40] KAHIR : the standing contracts at that time
[2017-05-01 22:35:45] KAHIR : will be resseted ?
[2017-05-01 22:36:44] Nutella : gno could breakout soon
[2017-05-01 22:39:18] sleger : lol
[2017-05-01 22:39:22] sleger : broken record
[2017-05-01 22:40:31] Nutella : /unban sleger
[2017-05-01 22:40:32] trollbot : ``` sleger has been unbanned```
[2017-05-01 22:40:36] Nutella : sleger: :)
[2017-05-01 22:40:47] BitMEX_Greg : KAHIR: What do you mean by resseted? All contracts will be marked against Fair Price Marking instead of the current Last Price marking.
[2017-05-01 22:41:04] sleger : ok you undid your wrong, but why ? @Nutella
[2017-05-01 22:41:20] Nutella : so I can do this
[2017-05-01 22:41:22] Nutella : /ban sleger
[2017-05-01 22:41:22] trollbot : ``` sleger has been banned```
[2017-05-01 22:41:33] BitMEX_Greg : > *:door::hammer: User `Nutella` has been banned from chat.*
[2017-05-01 22:41:35] sleger : kids never change
[2017-05-01 22:41:44] zqooN : lol
[2017-05-01 22:41:45] Actualiteit : lmfao
[2017-05-01 22:41:50] Actualiteit : justice
[2017-05-01 22:41:53] sleger : ouch lol banhammer is back :D
[2017-05-01 22:42:38] BitMEX_Greg : Nutella: You were warned. Come back in 24 hours.
[2017-05-01 22:43:01] rapidgains : BitMEX_Greg: nice banhamer
[2017-05-01 22:43:04] frog : yes many warnings
[2017-05-01 22:43:15] sleger : we still have 2k users so its not just gno then, maybe also btc ath helped. The cny chat is still silent though
[2017-05-01 22:43:40] Actualiteit : they lurk from the darkness.
[2017-05-01 22:43:48] micmix : oh wow, didn't see banhammer pic before, guess it's new
[2017-05-01 22:44:01] sleger : isnt it just emoji ?
[2017-05-01 22:45:07] micmix : :hammer:
[2017-05-01 22:45:21] micmix : yes, looks like 2 emojis
[2017-05-01 22:45:26] Tommy : ? Nutella
[2017-05-01 22:45:29] BitMEX_Sam : Just something quick we added.
[2017-05-01 22:45:40] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: nice
[2017-05-01 22:45:58] frog : @sleger would gemini and gdax profit from BFX if it has big problem ie take over the trading volume
[2017-05-01 22:46:16] sleger : frog: probably not that much
[2017-05-01 22:46:53] micmix : frog: gemini auctions have 2x more volume now but maybe bitcoin going up helped
[2017-05-01 22:47:05] Tommy : I think Coinbase and Gemini have premium because selling is considered as a taxable event.
[2017-05-01 22:47:18] frog : auctions seem popular
[2017-05-01 22:47:23] sleger : gdax had a premium because of that
[2017-05-01 22:48:07] micmix : auciton is a good way to sell/buy decent amount without moving the price
[2017-05-01 22:48:16] mark121 : get rdyfor a sur[price
[2017-05-01 22:48:21] mark121 : ow.
[2017-05-01 22:48:21] sleger : auctions are great in general, they are very efficient
[2017-05-01 22:48:26] mark121 : get ready for a surprise*
[2017-05-01 22:48:33] shillosopher : mark121: rekt
[2017-05-01 22:48:45] micmix : kraken has a dark pool for the same reason but I never tried it
[2017-05-01 22:48:57] sleger : they are bad for hft and exchanges because they reduce volume though
[2017-05-01 22:49:33] mark121 : i think they are going jus short squeeze all the up to a billiion per coin..
[2017-05-01 22:50:02] mark121 : each time it goes up, stops, ppl go "OKAY this HAS to be the time"
[2017-05-01 22:50:12] mark121 : x infirnity
[2017-05-01 22:50:27] mark121 : btc btw
[2017-05-01 22:50:40] mark121 : not to intrude on your agnostic conversation
[2017-05-01 22:51:15] longbydefault : /price
[2017-05-01 22:51:17] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1400.87 (0.32%) Bitfinex : 1532.60 (0.17%) OKCоin : 1363.91 (0.53%) itBit : 1434.41 (0.19%) Kraken : 1399.01 (-0.07%) GDAX : 1453.90 (0.20%) SLQ : 29 mins```
[2017-05-01 22:51:18] micmix : sleger: yes, gemini has more volume on auctions than regular trading, not good for MMs
[2017-05-01 22:51:22] mark121 : kylllinglolson has been doin what i mentioned since like 1120
[2017-05-01 22:51:54] mark121 : then today asks "waht the deal wheres this rally coming from"
[2017-05-01 22:52:45] mark121 : kingtuna aroun dtoday?
[2017-05-01 22:54:08] mark121 : interestingly
[2017-05-01 22:54:31] mark121 : we may have broke out of a multi month resistance alrdy
[2017-05-01 22:54:31] hmmmYea : BitMEX_Sam: can we add the weeklies back? eth is 5% wide on a huge volume day in the spot market
[2017-05-01 22:54:42] MikeHunt : 2k+
[2017-05-01 22:54:43] MikeHunt : we go
[2017-05-01 22:54:48] mark121 : not enuf volume for that hmmmYea
[2017-05-01 22:54:48] hmmmYea : leave the quarterilies where they are
[2017-05-01 22:54:58] mark121 : did u manage to save that shorrt mr hunt
[2017-05-01 22:55:14] MikeHunt : mark121: yeh then i got locked in another and managed to just about get out of that
[2017-05-01 22:55:25] MikeHunt : since btc going up faster n faster i not short anymore
[2017-05-01 22:55:48] zqooN : hmmmYea: I liked the weeklies more too
[2017-05-01 22:56:11] mark121 : monthlies are much more liked
[2017-05-01 22:56:13] hmmmYea : mark121: please dont pretend like we have comparable understandings of how liquidity works
[2017-05-01 22:56:21] mark121 : um
[2017-05-01 22:56:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 8658 @ 1441.7
[2017-05-01 22:56:37] mark121 : u cant compare an understanding to a non-understannding
[2017-05-01 22:56:46] mark121 : aka ignorance
[2017-05-01 22:56:55] hmmmYea : zqooN: i just like functioning markets... quarterlies are non-functional... mm has blown out in half the names
[2017-05-01 22:56:56] mark121 : stop talking to me tho
[2017-05-01 22:56:58] mark121 : ty
[2017-05-01 22:57:21] mark121 : u only negative guy around so beter to wait for ignore feature :p
[2017-05-01 22:57:23] hmmmYea : destroys volume
[2017-05-01 22:57:56] hmmmYea : mark121: shhhh
[2017-05-01 22:58:01] mark121 : theres no differtent understanding lol
[2017-05-01 22:58:13] Tommy : It's better to have perp swaps than quarterly for the altcoins.
[2017-05-01 22:58:13] mark121 : you have literally no self awareness
[2017-05-01 22:58:31] zqooN : hmmmYea: exactly. sadly i think the volume would be too low on here to have both
[2017-05-01 22:58:32] Ahhere : Shorts quiet can you let us know your thoughts
[2017-05-01 22:59:01] Shaman : swaps for alts would be kinda cool
[2017-05-01 22:59:18] mark121 : zqooN: ya that wud be agreeing with my interpretation :p
[2017-05-01 22:59:24] mark121 : <3
[2017-05-01 22:59:29] hmmmYea : zqooN: thats what i thought too... but think if they added a roll mlt that auto spread into each maturity they might end up with more liquity in both
[2017-05-01 22:59:41] hmmmYea : bc weeklies and quarterlies serve different customer profiles
[2017-05-01 22:59:50] zqooN : eventually
[2017-05-01 22:59:51] hmmmYea : roll market*
[2017-05-01 23:00:09] mark121 : the parts equal more than the whole huh thats like opposite synergy !
[2017-05-01 23:00:22] CrazySteve : /sentiment
[2017-05-01 23:00:24] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 66.53 / 33.48 Daily : 41.55 / 58.45 Weekly : 45.78 / 54.22 Monthly : 45.82 / 54.18```
[2017-05-01 23:01:10] hmmmYea : mark121: yes. you have not actually traded real futures, soyou dotn understand how roll markets work, and how they add liquidty
[2017-05-01 23:01:17] mark121 : ah true
[2017-05-01 23:01:25] frog : hmmmYea: with twap can't get same re entry
[2017-05-01 23:01:37] mark121 : hmmmYea: this is coming from the guy who thinks TA is voodoo
[2017-05-01 23:01:47] mark121 : and fibonacci a fraud
[2017-05-01 23:01:55] mark121 : damn..
[2017-05-01 23:01:56] hmmmYea : frog: thats why you run them side by side
[2017-05-01 23:02:11] frog : hmmmYea: that would be useful
[2017-05-01 23:02:35] hmmmYea : frog: the roll market would transalte bids in one to the other
[2017-05-01 23:02:39] mark121 : thats also where ur anger coomes from, apparently as im not even sure why u always piss
[2017-05-01 23:02:42] mark121 : pissy*
[2017-05-01 23:02:46] mark121 : anyway
[2017-05-01 23:03:00] mark121 : now u kno TA is legit and u can be happy guy <3
[2017-05-01 23:03:11] frog : hmmmYea: plus premium?
[2017-05-01 23:03:26] hmmmYea : mark121: you have called me an idiot over 20x. after the fifth time i wrote uou off as a human
[2017-05-01 23:03:30] hmmmYea : frog: ya
[2017-05-01 23:03:34] mark121 : buy ferrari's like sleger, be happy as rapidtrades and as humble as mark121
[2017-05-01 23:03:40] frog : hmmmYea: TY
[2017-05-01 23:03:44] micmix : Tommy: swaps didn't work for alts, spread is too large and leads to insane funding swings
[2017-05-01 23:04:39] mark121 : hmmmYea: lol u have a habit of proving my pt with replies
[2017-05-01 23:04:41] Tommy : micmix: It's hard to say after averaging out every 8-hour period.
[2017-05-01 23:05:09] micmix : Tommy: we had alt swaps here, had many complains
[2017-05-01 23:05:30] Tommy : Swap at least allow the market to self correct.
[2017-05-01 23:05:42] Tommy : Not like the current 1x% premium here.
[2017-05-01 23:06:22] hmmmYea : mark121:im not angry at you, just dont respect you
[2017-05-01 23:06:30] mark121 : cus u lost an argument
[2017-05-01 23:06:34] mark121 : and thats a bitch move
[2017-05-01 23:06:37] mark121 : in any mans book
[2017-05-01 23:06:41] mark121 : grow up
[2017-05-01 23:07:11] mark121 : (sadly i was jus trying toi help u)
[2017-05-01 23:07:15] mark121 : it wasnt even argum,ent lol
[2017-05-01 23:07:33] Tommy : Longs also lose out at the end with this 1x% premium on quarterlies.
[2017-05-01 23:07:42] micmix : Tommy: not enough people shorting alts to lower the premium, it's all market driven
[2017-05-01 23:07:44] Tommy : So this results in less efficient market.
[2017-05-01 23:08:24] Tommy : micmix: It's not only that, but shorting here is risky because of the ADL.
[2017-05-01 23:08:25] frog : Tommy: yes
[2017-05-01 23:09:03] danielrusso : i think btc gonna start rolling here again
[2017-05-01 23:09:07] danielrusso : next leg down for alts
[2017-05-01 23:09:16] Tommy : At the end both longs and shorts lose in this setting.
[2017-05-01 23:09:44] mark121 : lol
[2017-05-01 23:13:36] longbydefault : danielrusso: what do you mean by rolling? up or down?
[2017-05-01 23:13:42] danielrusso : up
[2017-05-01 23:13:44] mark121 : the prem to me makes sense as its the value of time
[2017-05-01 23:14:15] danielrusso : this gnosis was just icing on the cake.. seems to me its time to sell all alts and go fully back into btc
[2017-05-01 23:14:17] danielrusso : just imo
[2017-05-01 23:14:24] danielrusso : too much bs out there
[2017-05-01 23:15:05] mark121 : also benefit of catching tops and bottoms where the futures than changes from leading to losing or vice versa
[2017-05-01 23:15:28] mark121 : can be worth a pretty penny or two
[2017-05-01 23:17:19] danielrusso : im not sure if we are witnessing insde buying bc someone knows btc etf is actually coming, or this is the beginning of alts finally correcting 50% then it all flows into btc.. also seems to me these ATH are real and sustainable..sounds crazy i know
[2017-05-01 23:17:35] mark121 : no
[2017-05-01 23:17:37] mark121 : not crazy at all
[2017-05-01 23:18:02] mark121 : i charted it in dec and prob cud have 2 decs b4 that
[2017-05-01 23:18:24] mark121 : what u saw here was a big alt fake
[2017-05-01 23:18:35] danielrusso : i sold all alt positions.. altho i got cut.. i took the hit. im afraid everyone thinking smart holding ETH is gonna feel the pain of us back in the day when btc went from 32 -> 2.5
[2017-05-01 23:18:41] mark121 : "oh wow alts are moving with bTC"
[2017-05-01 23:19:18] mark121 : big players short everything, destroy alts and make a killing
[2017-05-01 23:19:28] Tommy : I think the tx fees in BTC alone justifies the value of the network.
[2017-05-01 23:19:41] Tommy : BTC should go up more.
[2017-05-01 23:19:59] danielrusso : @tommy could be right. i mean look at the upcoming increase in hash rate.. btc fkn dominates lol
[2017-05-01 23:20:02] Tommy : It's like buying Visa or Mastercard.
[2017-05-01 23:20:06] yoyo123 : when BTC rallies the money will flow mack to alts
[2017-05-01 23:20:10] mark121 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/XNLxlgCI-Bitcoin-BTCUSD-2017-Pricing-Model-Conservative-Outlook/
[2017-05-01 23:20:11] yoyo123 : the bubble aint over yet
[2017-05-01 23:20:18] mark121 : u mean dips
[2017-05-01 23:20:21] mark121 : and its not a buble lol
[2017-05-01 23:20:27] yoyo123 : bitcoin aint a bubble
[2017-05-01 23:20:29] yoyo123 : alts are
[2017-05-01 23:20:34] danielrusso : @yoyo yeah u are right.. but this drop in alts will be more severe than most imagined.. just imo
[2017-05-01 23:20:38] mark121 : what are barriers to entry?
[2017-05-01 23:20:38] danielrusso : i could be dead wrong ofc
[2017-05-01 23:20:52] mark121 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/XNLxlgCI-Bitcoin-BTCUSD-2017-Pricing-Model-Conservative-Outlook/
[2017-05-01 23:20:52] Tommy : I never get why ETH worth so much.
[2017-05-01 23:20:57] yoyo123 : danielrusso: ya the alt drop could continue
[2017-05-01 23:21:09] yoyo123 : but i think will see what happened in 2013
[2017-05-01 23:21:11] Tommy : It's a centralized chain but people keep buying.
[2017-05-01 23:21:18] Tommy : Vitalik-coin
[2017-05-01 23:21:20] mark121 : @danielrusso thats the chart i refered to
[2017-05-01 23:21:47] yoyo123 : danielrusso: if BTC spikes another 20% alts will follow once BTC takes a breather
[2017-05-01 23:21:49] mark121 : interesingly the chart deviated when they posted articles acros crypto media that big dump is coming for sure
[2017-05-01 23:21:53] danielrusso : interesting chart
[2017-05-01 23:21:55] mark121 : early feb
[2017-05-01 23:22:15] mark121 : and well, if its i the news like that b4 hand, the opposite will happen
[2017-05-01 23:22:16] Tommy : Ever heard that altcoins are there to scam your BTC away?
[2017-05-01 23:22:18] mark121 : lol
[2017-05-01 23:22:45] mark121 : yes alts could het even more hurt
[2017-05-01 23:22:45] yoyo123 : Tommy: XRP is a much better centralized coin
[2017-05-01 23:22:51] mark121 : these are the dark times
[2017-05-01 23:23:18] danielrusso : altcoins are good for a quick trade.. not generational wealth
[2017-05-01 23:23:20] mark121 : for the sad alts but they wil return
[2017-05-01 23:23:21] danielrusso : like btc
[2017-05-01 23:26:42] Johnster1 : @bitmex_greg Email send.
[2017-05-01 23:26:53] mark121 : only alt positive on my watchlist is
[2017-05-01 23:26:55] mark121 : GTNETH :p
[2017-05-01 23:27:04] mark121 : well pair but ya
[2017-05-01 23:29:18] mark121 : alt charts were basically all callin for big rally today
[2017-05-01 23:29:28] mark121 : but because they are priced in BTC
[2017-05-01 23:30:08] mark121 : sign of super manip
[2017-05-01 23:30:11] mark121 : vs regular
[2017-05-01 23:30:56] mark121 : initially i always questioned using BTC to chart alts -
[2017-05-01 23:31:43] mark121 : now i remember why :p
[2017-05-01 23:31:57] mark121 : cant get away from it tho
[2017-05-01 23:32:01] cg : is rapid still short
[2017-05-01 23:32:17] mark121 : i think, short ltc from 4 dollars
[2017-05-01 23:32:23] mark121 : is what i hear
[2017-05-01 23:32:31] cg : I mean btc
[2017-05-01 23:33:09] mark121 : ah i was teasing as every1 talks about that short of his
[2017-05-01 23:33:17] mark121 : not sure to ur Q
[2017-05-01 23:33:25] mark121 : hope nnot :p
[2017-05-01 23:34:58] mark121 : /sentiment
[2017-05-01 23:35:00] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 65.19 / 34.81 Daily : 41.73 / 58.27 Weekly : 45.83 / 54.17 Monthly : 45.83 / 54.17```
[2017-05-01 23:37:30] mark121 : so im seeing a giant complex h and shoulders (inverse) relfected in some key indications
[2017-05-01 23:38:17] mark121 : shits gona get wild next couple days
[2017-05-01 23:44:40] mark121 : http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/ipos/filing.ashx?filingid=11194662
[2017-05-01 23:45:59] mark121 : i wonder if there is actually more than chance, like .001% chance
[2017-05-01 23:46:11] mark121 : more than zero*
[2017-05-01 23:47:58] mark121 : funyy that coinbase holds the ETH
[2017-05-01 23:48:02] mark121 : and GDAX prices it
[2017-05-01 23:48:12] mark121 : inthe agreement
[2017-05-01 23:51:01] mark121 : seems quite amateurish at first glance
[2017-05-01 23:53:59] mark121 : dipset!
[2017-05-01 23:54:12] mark121 : interesting
[2017-05-01 23:55:49] Aegis : mark price change?
[2017-05-01 23:56:41] Aegis : nvm coinbase dumping
[2017-05-01 23:56:53] longbydefault : /price
[2017-05-01 23:56:55] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1393.12 (-0.55%) Bitfinex : 1533.00 (0.03%) OKCоin : 1360.82 (-0.23%) itBit : 1419.62 (-1.03%) Kraken : 1397.25 (-0.13%) GDAX : 1440.00 (-0.96%) SLQ : 1 hour, 5 mins```
[2017-05-01 23:57:12] ross : not sure 160btc is a dump
[2017-05-01 23:57:43] mark121 : wtf lol
[2017-05-01 23:57:48] mark121 : my cchart not even registering
[2017-05-01 23:57:51] mark121 : the dip
[2017-05-01 23:57:52] mark121 : lol
[2017-05-01 23:59:04] mark121 : why did the future mark price react like that
[2017-05-02 00:00:34] mark121 : jus brave browser being brave nvm
[2017-05-02 00:00:50] irvingtrader : ok everybody, time to abandon ship
[2017-05-02 00:01:12] Aegis : irvingtrader: ?
[2017-05-02 00:01:36] ross : party over
[2017-05-02 00:01:52] ross : 100 btc been "dumped" its all voer guys
[2017-05-02 00:01:55] ross : over*
[2017-05-02 00:02:00] mark121 : ya btc dead
[2017-05-02 00:02:09] mark121 : its all about bytecoin now
[2017-05-02 00:02:10] irvingtrader : yep, bear taim
[2017-05-02 00:02:30] ross : short now and be rewarded with adl later
[2017-05-02 00:02:34] Aegis : bulls need emotional support
[2017-05-02 00:03:37] irvingtrader : They got from 1200 to 1400 since 3 days ago
[2017-05-02 00:03:40] mark121 : tghat was touchback
[2017-05-02 00:03:44] irvingtrader : we... Got...
[2017-05-02 00:04:39] irvingtrader : those 1419.0 and 1418.8 20's k's seems tasty :3
[2017-05-02 00:05:17] irvingtrader : kidding, g2g happy trades
[2017-05-02 00:05:35] Alexandrg1974 : /sentiment
[2017-05-02 00:05:37] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 75.10 / 24.90 Daily : 41.72 / 58.29 Weekly : 45.95 / 54.05 Monthly : 45.84 / 54.17```
[2017-05-02 00:07:25] ross : short btc now
[2017-05-02 00:07:40] irvingtrader : ^way ahead of ya
[2017-05-02 00:08:47] Gr33d : nah
[2017-05-02 00:11:28] ross : any1 want to fill my ltc order
[2017-05-02 00:13:26] biz : 1337
[2017-05-02 00:13:32] MK1 : ross: you want to sell or buy?
[2017-05-02 00:16:03] pasa : ross:u yint buy oir sell?
[2017-05-02 00:21:14] ross : Sell
[2017-05-02 00:21:57] ross : 1450 go for it
[2017-05-02 00:23:07] Labowski : /price
[2017-05-02 00:23:10] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1391.44 (-0.12%) Bitfinex : 1527.30 (-0.37%) OKCоin : 1355.92 (-0.36%) itBit : 1412.23 (-0.52%) Kraken : 1390.47 (-0.49%) GDAX : 1434.98 (-0.35%) SLQ : 26 mins```
[2017-05-02 00:30:39] coinrun : ETH is gonna bounce
[2017-05-02 00:31:32] shillosopher : coinrun: and continue down? or?
[2017-05-02 00:34:52] sleger : up
[2017-05-02 00:37:12] mofeta : monero always taking the beat, never taking the pump
[2017-05-02 00:45:54] sleger : I agree, monero isnt behaving like other alts @mofeta
[2017-05-02 00:46:07] Gr33d : btc bear trap
[2017-05-02 00:48:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMRM17`: buy 3 @ 0.017395
[2017-05-02 00:52:10] hitme1 : sleger: tends to pullback below the breakout levels. huge swings where others trend more
[2017-05-02 00:52:51] sleger : xmr never had a real pump and dump
[2017-05-02 00:53:14] sleger : and it probably deserves it more than most other shitcoins
[2017-05-02 00:54:01] hitme1 : sleger: AUG-SEP 2016 P&D no?
[2017-05-02 00:54:14] sleger : i meant more recently
[2017-05-02 00:54:38] sleger : that pump was deserved via adoption in darknets if i remember correctly
[2017-05-02 00:56:15] hmmmYea : sleger: you gnosis is already hyping the pop with their twitter account?
[2017-05-02 00:56:20] hmmmYea : you see*
[2017-05-02 00:56:40] sleger : ?
[2017-05-02 00:56:57] sleger : i always thought gno was way overpriced at 300m market cap
[2017-05-02 00:57:03] hmmmYea : sleger: they retweeted the hype coindesk piece
[2017-05-02 00:57:07] sleger : and therefore it would maybe have a 3x pump
[2017-05-02 00:57:16] sleger : but never anything more
[2017-05-02 00:57:22] hmmmYea : yea... i agree $300M is a joke...
[2017-05-02 00:57:23] sleger : cause 1bn is not monkey money
[2017-05-02 00:57:35] sleger : and for an idea thats not even live
[2017-05-02 00:57:49] sleger : that i bet will never make more than 200m $ in revenues in its lifetie
[2017-05-02 00:57:53] hmmmYea : you think the people buying for an $700M valuation are going change their mind at $1B?
[2017-05-02 00:58:10] sleger : no
[2017-05-02 00:58:14] sleger : thats why i didnt short it
[2017-05-02 00:58:22] sleger : but i would never long it
[2017-05-02 00:58:35] sleger : so i cant say i made any money yet
[2017-05-02 00:58:37] hmmmYea : i bot a slug on polo/bittrx
[2017-05-02 00:58:47] sleger : slug = ?
[2017-05-02 00:58:56] hitme1 : sleger: whats your thoughts on ETH 7bn cap vs BTC 20bn (1/3 approx)
[2017-05-02 00:59:02] hmmmYea : rather not disclose
[2017-05-02 00:59:10] hitme1 : thought it was way unsustainable
[2017-05-02 00:59:31] sleger : hitme1: 6m ago i said i think eth will == btc market cap within 18 m
[2017-05-02 00:59:55] Gr33d : hitme1: Keep in mind there are hundreds of devs working on projects that run on ETH...
[2017-05-02 01:00:00] hmmmYea : sleger: have you ever traded hypey equities post IPO but before the VCs could start selling?
[2017-05-02 01:00:06] hitme1 : oh ok. reasons briefly?
[2017-05-02 01:00:30] hitme1 : Gr33d: ye - marketing & corporation ( foundation) support behind it
[2017-05-02 01:00:54] hmmmYea : sleger: crypto crowd is way less sophisticated than the equity crowd
[2017-05-02 01:01:13] hitme1 : whereas BTC is open source, ETH has a corporation behind it
[2017-05-02 01:01:13] sleger : hmmmYea: im not sure what you;re asking
[2017-05-02 01:01:32] hitme1 : i think its just keeping it afloat a few years, but has no long term future
[2017-05-02 01:01:35] hmmmYea : sleger: cya @ $2B valuation
[2017-05-02 01:01:39] hmmmYea : ;)