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<< >> English 中文 Русский 한국어 日本語 Español Français [2024-03-25 05:11:28] Dario2 : Suella: Kyc limitations is one of the factors of course but most of other major exchanges had the same kyc issues, yet it didn’t cause their market share to drop significantly, instead they kept growing [2024-03-25 05:12:01] bmagic : Dario2: kyc wasn't the focus point of Suella's comment [2024-03-25 05:12:20] Suella : Wrong. I think this is something you should revisit. Because your current notion is factually incorrect. [2024-03-25 05:12:21] Dario2 : Just two months ago xbtusd was tanked 43th now 53th. Kyc doesn’t explain this drop, does it? [2024-03-25 05:12:28] bmagic : but understand why you keep focusing on things you can argue about [2024-03-25 05:12:33] Dario2 : ranked* [2024-03-25 05:13:03] Suella : Dario2: even if it was 20 to 53 it’s irrelevant [2024-03-25 05:13:15] Dario2 : Suella: explain the 10 places drop in ranking during the past two months [2024-03-25 05:13:28] Dario2 : what caused it? Not kyc [2024-03-25 05:13:38] Suella : Are you a LLM? What firmware are you running on? [2024-03-25 05:13:48] Suella : Dario2: [2024-03-25 05:14:11] bmagic : Suella: lmao [2024-03-25 05:14:14] Dario2 : First answer my question :) [2024-03-25 05:14:21] Dario2 : see you can’t [2024-03-25 05:14:31] bmagic : DardioGPT2 [2024-03-25 05:14:58] Dario2 : and you have to revert to trolling and personal attacks [2024-03-25 05:15:00] bmagic : Dario2: to be fair who have a valid opinion and point [2024-03-25 05:15:08] bmagic : its just the way you talk that pisses people off [2024-03-25 05:15:13] XBT Wizard : Placement phase has ended. up: 1. down: 1. Starting price is 67500. Final price selected in ~5 minutes [2024-03-25 05:15:15] bmagic : or at least me [2024-03-25 05:15:15] Dario2 : it’s okay you guys are not very intelligent anyway [2024-03-25 05:15:23] Suella : You respond like outdated ai [2024-03-25 05:15:29] bmagic : because you seem to ignore anything that proves you wrong [2024-03-25 05:15:35] Dario2 : I can understand your ad hominem tactics :kek: [2024-03-25 05:15:36] bmagic : and focus on your argument continuing [2024-03-25 05:15:47] Dario2 : not capable of polite academic discussion [2024-03-25 05:15:50] laPanini : If you open up the Dario2 pandora box, youre in for a treat. Let me suggest just to mute him and let him talk to himself like a muppet. lol. [2024-03-25 05:15:50] Suella : and the fact that that joke didn’t go over your head is quite concerning [2024-03-25 05:15:51] bmagic : mate just becaues you learned what the word hominem means you don't need to revert to it when you're wrong [2024-03-25 05:16:16] Suella : bmagic: I think he might indeed be a bot connected to a LLM [2024-03-25 05:16:23] bmagic : Suella: he's other young and aggressive or OLD and conceited. [2024-03-25 05:16:32] bmagic : either way waste of time. i stopped talking to him a while ago. [2024-03-25 05:16:51] bmagic : i respect his opinions but not his arguments [2024-03-25 05:17:09] bmagic : rather smash my head against a wall [2024-03-25 05:17:22] Dario2 : Suella: stop the drugs madam. I remember you said you were a heavy drug addict. Explains your confusion and incompetence in polite discussions. [2024-03-25 05:17:36] Suella : How many kids are on here? SMH using fake and or parents id? [2024-03-25 05:17:38] bmagic : Suella: i only really discovered LLM's recently. i was happy staying ignorant. Now i'm scared at what they can accomplish [2024-03-25 05:17:47] bmagic : they basically have the power to make people happy. [2024-03-25 05:17:53] bmagic : dangerous in itself [2024-03-25 05:18:00] Dario2 : As soon as they can’t answer a question with logic they revert to personal attacks [2024-03-25 05:18:09] Dario2 : just like 10 years old child [2024-03-25 05:18:19] Dario2 : childs* [2024-03-25 05:18:37] bmagic : Dario2: we gave you multiple opportunities to be reasonable and adult about it. you denied yourself really. this is why you feel outcasted right now. [2024-03-25 05:18:42] Suella : Dario2: You might get banned if you aren’t careful. [2024-03-25 05:18:48] bmagic : i don't want you to be unhappy. just stop being a jerk [2024-03-25 05:19:02] Suella : i think you should be a spectator. You’re really good at that. [2024-03-25 05:19:02] bmagic : check your ego like i said from sentence 2 or 3 [2024-03-25 05:19:12] bmagic : google what ego means if you need to understand [2024-03-25 05:19:19] bmagic : difference between confidence and ego [2024-03-25 05:19:25] bmagic : you might learn something [2024-03-25 05:19:29] Dario2 : Suella: I ask again [2024-03-25 05:19:31] Dario2 : Suella: explain the 10 places drop in ranking during the past two months what caused it? Not kyc [2024-03-25 05:19:33] laPanini : :pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe: [2024-03-25 05:19:35] laPanini : :pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe: [2024-03-25 05:19:38] laPanini : :pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe: [2024-03-25 05:19:44] Hexagon : :pepe: [2024-03-25 05:19:52] laPanini : Hexagon: :pepe: [2024-03-25 05:20:13] XBT Wizard : up WINS!. Starting price: 67500.0. Final price: 67618. [2024-03-25 05:20:25] laPanini : Congrats winners, enjoy your winnings! [2024-03-25 05:20:47] Suella : Dario2: there are various factors. I wouldn’t be surprised if the design changes turned people away. Why do you care? Now that I’ve told you the reason, has your life changed at all? If so, do tell. I’m all ears [2024-03-25 05:21:21] laPanini : maximum pepes for everyone :pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe: [2024-03-25 05:21:59] laPanini : I vote bring pepe spam back, such glorious times that was. [2024-03-25 05:22:08] Dario2 : Suella: only 2-3 people complained about new design changes. Most people were happy, but those 2-3 people will always be there regardless of any type of design change. Pretty normal [2024-03-25 05:22:37] laPanini : :pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe: [2024-03-25 05:22:47] Dario2 : Suella: Don’t tell em you don’t care for bitmex [2024-03-25 05:23:53] Suella : Dario2: are you able to at least acknowledge that you are a bot [2024-03-25 05:24:03] laPanini : :pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe: [2024-03-25 05:24:15] laPanini : :pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe: [2024-03-25 05:24:16] bmagic : :pepe: [2024-03-25 05:24:25] bmagic : i see your point @laPanini [2024-03-25 05:24:39] laPanini : bmagic: indeed sir, very indeed. [2024-03-25 05:24:48] bmagic : Suella: i think its time we end the convo - no value [2024-03-25 05:25:03] Dario2 : Suella: I can acknowledge that you fail to come up with a logical reason for the 10 places drop in ranking and have to revert to personal ad hominem attacks like a child [2024-03-25 05:25:13] XBT Wizard : Placements open for ~5 minutes. Commands: /btc up, /btc down. Cost: 1 BMEX [2024-03-25 05:25:18] laPanini : spamming pepes gives more value to life than certain convos. :pepe::pepe::pepe: [2024-03-25 05:25:20] Dario2 : let’s keep the discussion polite and logical [2024-03-25 05:25:20] bmagic : Dario2 so far 2 of 2 people can't have a conversation with you in 30 minutes [2024-03-25 05:25:26] bmagic : please just stop you're embarassing [2024-03-25 05:25:32] Suella : I’m pretty sure it’s a bot, I feel a bit smart if I’m right [2024-03-25 05:25:59] bmagic : im on the fence here about long continuation [2024-03-25 05:26:04] Dario2 : Suella: so answer the question. Nor kyc nor design change was the reason [2024-03-25 05:26:05] bmagic : there's ichimoku cloud break on 4 hourly. [2024-03-25 05:26:18] Dario2 : what could have caused it? [2024-03-25 05:26:19] bmagic : but daily looks like it wants to drop [2024-03-25 05:26:29] bmagic : sub 60k [2024-03-25 05:26:59] laPanini : things are looking good, a bit worried that were so close to the cme gap still though. [2024-03-25 05:27:07] bmagic : weekly also looks like it wants to retest 55k [2024-03-25 05:27:09] Suella : I’ll only tell you why if you tell us what you will do with the in information. [2024-03-25 05:27:40] bmagic : laPanini: it looks great for a long but the longer term TA isn't confirmed yet [2024-03-25 05:27:43] laPanini : bmagic: weekly is not pretty. [2024-03-25 05:27:57] bmagic : weekly is too uncertain to trade without the confirmation [2024-03-25 05:28:11] bmagic : depends on your risk though - i'm adding risk on small short term positions [2024-03-25 05:28:22] bmagic : short bias [2024-03-25 05:28:31] bmagic : but i am enjoying ETH long ROE [2024-03-25 05:28:37] laPanini : Things kinda look like a house of cards, however, a house of cards can be built many levels before it falls though. [2024-03-25 05:28:45] bmagic : laPanini: sideways 4 lyf [2024-03-25 05:28:52] bmagic : btc stablecoin 70k [2024-03-25 05:28:59] laPanini : lol yeh, [2024-03-25 05:29:20] bmagic : tbh i'm more hopeful for 81k than what my annual outlook predicts [2024-03-25 05:29:22] laPanini : i would keep a look at eth and bnb, and see what they are doing, if both of them break, btc will most likely follow. [2024-03-25 05:29:36] bmagic : R:R is short low leverage for me than long higher leverage. [2024-03-25 05:30:08] XBT Wizard : No one joined the game :(. Game will restart in an hour [2024-03-25 05:30:21] Bot42 : :pepe: [2024-03-25 05:30:32] laPanini : CME did gap above important emas though, which is interesting, seems to use the gap as support - for now. [2024-03-25 05:30:42] Bot42 : :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: [2024-03-25 05:30:49] laPanini : :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: [2024-03-25 05:30:55] Bot42 : :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: [2024-03-25 05:31:00] laPanini : :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: [2024-03-25 05:31:02] Bot42 : :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: [2024-03-25 05:31:04] Bot42 : :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: [2024-03-25 05:31:05] bmagic : laPanini: hmm gaps are often trend continuation. so long would suggest long naturally [2024-03-25 05:31:07] Bot42 : :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: [2024-03-25 05:31:11] Bot42 : :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: [2024-03-25 05:31:13] Bot42 : :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: [2024-03-25 05:31:15] migozelaaa : 120k from here [2024-03-25 05:31:16] bmagic : but catalysts an break trend. [2024-03-25 05:31:34] bmagic : waiting sidelines for me [2024-03-25 05:31:53] laPanini : bmagic: yes, this is true, however, since how they have traded historically, i would prefer the gap to be eaten to at least 50% and act like support, but thats just a personal preference. [2024-03-25 05:32:13] Dario2 : Suella: I am trying to find out the reason why bitmex fails at gaining more market share and it’s most liquid contract has dropped 10 places in the ranking just in the past two months. If we don’t identify the cause, we can’t prevent further drop. [2024-03-25 05:32:17] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 300 USD @ 67712 - I bet the whales did this [2024-03-25 05:33:00] Bot42 : :bog: [2024-03-25 05:33:31] laPanini : Bot42: You are the true Botganof42 sir. [2024-03-25 05:34:02] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 5000 USD @ 67752 [2024-03-25 05:34:13] bmagic : this 4 hourly candle close will set the motion [2024-03-25 05:34:16] bmagic : bullish for now [2024-03-25 05:34:26] bmagic : but i suspect we're in for a surprise. [2024-03-25 05:34:33] Dario2 : But you guys turn a constructive polite logical conversation into trolling and personal attacks. Just like little uneducated kids [2024-03-25 05:34:52] Bot42 : bmagic: 5 min rejection candle loading? [2024-03-25 05:35:00] bmagic : Bot42: haha those 5 mins dominate the world markets [2024-03-25 05:35:04] laPanini : if mah pattern plays out, we might visit 85k soon, only if there is uptrend continuation and not a boring range. [2024-03-25 05:35:18] bmagic : Dario2: please learn to take honest criticism without getting offended. [2024-03-25 05:35:27] bmagic : it wasn't even personal until you made it out to be. [2024-03-25 05:35:51] bmagic : this is all i want to say on the matter so leave it. move on with your life [2024-03-25 05:35:54] Dario2 : Suella: So now I answered your question, you can answer mine. Wwhat caused the drop? Not kyc not design change. What else? [2024-03-25 05:35:55] laPanini : lool, just mute him. [2024-03-25 05:36:11] bmagic : i feel like he needs to be more disruptive to mute [2024-03-25 05:36:24] Bot42 : :kek: [2024-03-25 05:36:27] bmagic : he's just embarrassing for now. so i'll give him a chance. [2024-03-25 05:36:36] laPanini : Keep the pandoras box open for longer and you will get what you ask for mr @bmagic . [2024-03-25 05:36:51] bmagic : laPanini: true dat. risk for no reward [2024-03-25 05:36:57] laPanini : lol, indeed. [2024-03-25 05:37:16] bmagic : i'm honestly too nice to people and sometimes it burns me. i'm strong enough to handle it [2024-03-25 05:37:56] bmagic : i'm in a happy place. met a really beautiful woman last night. not much can bother me right now. [2024-03-25 05:38:07] bmagic : until she ruins my life. jk [2024-03-25 05:38:44] migozelaaa : 70k today [2024-03-25 05:39:13] laPanini : maximum rejection on the 1 minute chart, beware. :kek: [2024-03-25 05:39:54] laPanini : only lacking volume and speed, but who needs those things. [2024-03-25 05:39:55] bmagic : laPanini: i feel it [2024-03-25 05:40:01] bmagic : i feel the massive sell pressure [2024-03-25 05:40:05] bmagic : i'm being crushed [2024-03-25 05:40:15] laPanini : uh oh, be careful... [2024-03-25 05:40:37] bmagic : its a 1hourly bollinger band rejection [2024-03-25 05:40:44] bmagic : not really trend-defining [2024-03-25 05:40:48] bmagic : need more than thiss [2024-03-25 05:41:09] bmagic : 65.8k? [2024-03-25 05:41:20] Dario2 : Suella: You see when BTCcheers bullies and mutes 10 new users every day immediately after they make their first ever comment here, they start feeling less comfortable and don’t return. I think we should realize that trollbox should be a welcoming place for new users and make it as pleasant as possible. Otherwise bitmex will drop further in the ranking as they leave and never return [2024-03-25 05:42:51] laPanini : its not to far away, and would be a great entry, maybe. [2024-03-25 05:43:31] bmagic : laPanini: yeah i'll feel safer entering at 65.8k but i'm already long [2024-03-25 05:43:56] laPanini : I exited a few hours ago at this exact level, waiting for price to do something. [2024-03-25 05:43:57] bmagic : have to say anything below 62k for me is short confirmation. [2024-03-25 05:44:28] bmagic : laPanini: i have short hedge open to manage risk. [2024-03-25 05:44:48] bmagic : but decent place to exit long too [2024-03-25 05:44:57] Dario2 : Suella: Do you understand my concern now or will you continue making personal attacks instead of a logical conversation? [2024-03-25 05:44:59] laPanini : yeah, i have one to, i am expecting that short to get stopped out though, its just there just in case. [2024-03-25 05:45:31] bmagic : laPanini: i doubled my trade equity today so all is well. [2024-03-25 05:45:42] laPanini : bmagic: not bad at all, cheers. [2024-03-25 05:46:04] bmagic : laPanini: only bitmex though which is minor for me. i still haven't got the balls to move my main account here after a few events. [2024-03-25 05:47:12] Dario2 : laPanini: The other day you said that arthur was in jail for insider trading. I politely asked you to refrain from making false and misleading comments because it scares away new bitmex customers. Which is why you are still angry at me and make personal attacks to avert the attention from facts [2024-03-25 05:48:30] laPanini : bmagic: i have accounts everywhere, spreading my risks. [2024-03-25 05:48:34] Dario2 : You also told two lies the other day which other people confirmed you were not honest and are also angry at me for pointing out your lies [2024-03-25 05:48:37] Dario2 : how pathetic [2024-03-25 05:49:43] Dario2 : It’s because of your false misleading comments that people loses market share [2024-03-25 05:50:34] Dario2 : bitmex* loses market share [2024-03-25 05:53:58] bluemaster : Buenos Dias Muchachos , we will all get big titites bitches [2024-03-25 05:54:02] BMEXcheers : wait, Arthur dropped the soap in jail for insider trading? Damn, thanks for the heads up Dario2 - link to story? [2024-03-25 05:54:03] bluemaster : /rpnl xbth24 ``` :bitmex: XBTH24: 1.0901 XBT RPNL ``` [2024-03-25 05:54:07] bluemaster : /rpnl xbtm24 ``` :bitmex: XBTM24: 2.0886 XBT RPNL ``` [2024-03-25 05:54:10] bluemaster : /rpnl xbteur ``` :bitmex: XBTEUR: 3.5058 XBT RPNL ``` [2024-03-25 05:54:22] bluemaster : :btc::btc::btc::btc::btc::btc: [2024-03-25 05:54:37] Dario2 : BMEXcheers: hehe :arthur: [2024-03-25 05:54:39] bluemaster : /position xbth24 ``` :bitmex: XBTH24: 100 USD @ 71177 ``` [2024-03-25 05:54:43] bluemaster : /position xbtm24 ``` :bitmex: XBTM24: 187,800 USD @ 53332.1956 ``` [2024-03-25 05:54:44] BMEXcheers : :) [2024-03-25 05:54:48] bluemaster : /position xbteur ``` :bitmex: XBTEUR: 163,000 EUR @ 44084.1302 ``` [2024-03-25 05:55:09] Dario2 : laPanini is a pathological liar mate who spread false misleading info about arthur [2024-03-25 05:55:24] BMEXcheers : isthat why bmex token doesnt pump [2024-03-25 05:55:26] BMEXcheers : :( [2024-03-25 05:56:34] Dario2 : admins don’t interfere in bmex price. Market traders set the price like any other contract [2024-03-25 05:57:04] bluemaster : Bitmex is No 1 exchange ,never been hacked just honest server over load and wicks but that happen long time ago 😜 [2024-03-25 05:57:18] Dario2 : bluemaster: exactly maestro [2024-03-25 05:58:30] bluemaster : they have biggest and most honest Insurance fund https://www.bitmex.com/app/insuranceFund they lost 800 btc did not rip off customers !! [2024-03-25 05:58:43] Dario2 : elPanini went silent when faced with facts that are on archive and can’t be denied [2024-03-25 05:59:21] Dario2 : bluemaster: Did arthur go to jail for insider trading as laPanini says? No, right [2024-03-25 06:00:19] BMEXcheers : there was a wick to 10k the otherday on spot :) [2024-03-25 06:01:21] BMEXcheers : i think laPanini was joking on that fine day, but Arthur did get fined 10million [2024-03-25 06:01:30] bluemaster : Dario2: he never went to jail for anything ,.... only fined for KYC on Bitmex thanks to mafia USA regulatory body [2024-03-25 06:01:48] BMEXcheers : why dont bmex let us customers on here [2024-03-25 06:01:56] BMEXcheers : or make a US site [2024-03-25 06:02:27] bluemaster : BMEXcheers: he did not pay some god chosen people like FTX [2024-03-25 06:02:36] Dario2 : BMEXcheers: Correct to 8900 to be exact. That’s because people start trusting bitmex less after reading elPanini’s false and misleading comments about arthur and after BTCcheers bullying new users. They stop comming back and orderbooks get illiquid and that’s why you had that flash crash only on bitmex [2024-03-25 06:03:16] Dario2 : bluemaster: Man I wish everyone was as well informed and as honest as you with good intentions [2024-03-25 06:03:49] Dario2 : bluemaster: you are one of the reasons some people are still here. Please keep up the good work [2024-03-25 06:04:25] bluemaster : Dario2: be nice to elPanini’s imagine losing all that money going short for last 2 years .... 😜 [2024-03-25 06:04:41] bluemaster : his ass hurt [2024-03-25 06:05:05] bluemaster : elPanini’s [2024-03-25 06:05:12] bluemaster : https://www.ac.com.au/upload/in-a-ass.jpg [2024-03-25 06:06:21] bmagic : bluemaster: bigger the better [2024-03-25 06:06:45] Dario2 : bluemaster: hehe I will be nice to him only after he apologizes for his many confirmed lies. I don’t like pathological liars. Yeah SteveS was calling for 6k and laPanini was spamming 4k for two years, 100 times every single day. But good thing he finally saw the green light after 32k. [2024-03-25 06:07:17] bmagic : bluemaster: house arrest [2024-03-25 06:07:23] bmagic : white collar jail [2024-03-25 06:07:41] bmagic : that was the rumour anyway - plenty of memes but no facts [2024-03-25 06:08:32] bmagic : two years of probation, with home detention for six months and location monitoring [2024-03-25 06:08:38] bmagic : but don't think it ever got ruled [2024-03-25 06:09:06] Dario2 : but not for insider trading. There is a huge difference [2024-03-25 06:09:09] bluemaster : bmagic: CZ have 4 billion fine , Arthur is smart guy and every single exchange copy what he invented "Perpetual" contract [2024-03-25 06:09:41] Dario2 : Arthur was a pioneer with his btc perps. All other exchanges copied bitmex really [2024-03-25 06:10:01] bmagic : bluemaster: not insider trading but failure to put protections in place. much smaller punishment. [2024-03-25 06:10:52] bmagic : bluemaster: yeah i think that was more political move by US regulators but who knows really. A lot of stuff that was unregulated before has become regulated to an extent and they dip in and backdate for massive payouts. [2024-03-25 06:10:58] bmagic : it's revenue seeking behavior [2024-03-25 06:11:16] laPanini : bluemaster: CZ has no 4 billion fee, its the company Binance that has this. CZ is no longer involved. [2024-03-25 06:11:18] Dario2 : exactly not for insider trading, which is why I complained after laPanini was spreading false and misleading comments about him and bitmex [2024-03-25 06:11:26] bmagic : tax office is doing it too. All want a piece of the pie. will hurt the movement temporarily. [2024-03-25 06:11:36] bmagic : whats the point in investing if 50% of your profits is ATO money etc. [2024-03-25 06:11:42] BMEXcheers : so you two hold a large sum of bmex? :) [2024-03-25 06:11:45] bmagic : your work is risk adverse. [2024-03-25 06:12:00] BMEXcheers : i hope so, else all talk no action [2024-03-25 06:12:32] bmagic : Dario2: yeah its good to stop spread of false rumor in this environment. hurtful stuff [2024-03-25 06:12:42] bmagic : but it is trollbox so pick your battles. [2024-03-25 06:12:51] bluemaster : laPanini: Arthur is most honest from all Bucket Shop owners and he is Bitcoin Maxi [2024-03-25 06:13:14] bmagic : /position xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: -5,000 USD @ 67603.6533 ``` [2024-03-25 06:13:16] bmagic : /position ethusd ``` :bitmex: ETHUSD: -50 Cont @ 3490.56 ``` [2024-03-25 06:14:45] migozelaaa : 120k no less [2024-03-25 06:14:57] migozelaaa : From here [2024-03-25 06:17:47] Dario2 : bmagic: me stopping laPanini from spreading misleading false rumor about arthur and bitmex is one of the reasons he makes personal attacks towards me to avert the attention and to discredit me but I will always defend the truth in any battle. Thank you for understanding my point of view regarding this issue 👍 [2024-03-25 06:19:07] Senior. Professor. : Dario2: Love you platonically, ser. 💚 [2024-03-25 06:20:04] Dario2 : Love you more, Sir @Senior. Professor., platonically as you say 💚❤️ [2024-03-25 06:20:07] Senior. Professor. : @BitMEX_Hans Hope you had a great weekend, ser. :doge: :catjam: :alpaca: [2024-03-25 06:20:13] Senior. Professor. : Dario2: +1 [2024-03-25 06:20:27] Dario2 : Senior. Professor.: +1 back sir, mahalo [2024-03-25 06:20:37] BitMEX_Hans : Senior. Professor.: Good morning sir! Thank you very much! I hope you had a brilliant weekend as well. :doge: :catjam: :alpaca: [2024-03-25 06:21:05] Senior. Professor. : BitMEX_Hans: Ser, keep in mind that your work hour changes coming Monday due to day light savings. :catjam: [2024-03-25 06:22:10] BMEXcheers : i'll believe Arthru is 'innocent' once bmex breaks 3usd [2024-03-25 06:22:12] BMEXcheers : until then [2024-03-25 06:22:19] BMEXcheers : hes just another bucket shop owner [2024-03-25 06:22:29] BMEXcheers : :( [2024-03-25 06:22:32] BMEXcheers : :pepe: [2024-03-25 06:22:39] BitMEX_Hans : Senior. Professor.: good point! Thanks for the reminder hehe [2024-03-25 06:23:09] Senior. Professor. : BitMEX_Hans: :P [2024-03-25 06:25:34] bmagic : in 2 hours if we are below 66400 could get messy. [2024-03-25 06:25:41] bmagic : good luck traders [2024-03-25 06:27:39] bluemaster : BMEXcheers: he gave me free BMEX coins ,nothing wrong with current price [2024-03-25 06:27:53] Senior. Professor. : bluemaster: love your bitcoins, ser. :P [2024-03-25 06:28:17] bluemaster : Senior. Professor.: they all do 😝 [2024-03-25 06:30:08] bluemaster : my old tricks [2024-03-25 06:30:12] XBT Wizard : Placements open for ~5 minutes. Commands: /btc up, /btc down. Cost: 1 BMEX [2024-03-25 06:30:13] bluemaster : /orders xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: Buy 1,500,000 USD @ 60179.5 XBTUSD: Buy 1,500,000 USD @ 62719 ``` [2024-03-25 06:31:26] Satoru Gojo : /btc status ``` :bitmex: Placements phase, Commands: /btc up, /btc down Up: 0, Down: 0 ``` [2024-03-25 06:31:36] bmagic : short hedge picking up some momentum. [2024-03-25 06:31:56] bmagic : bluemaster: i think you'll see that filled [2024-03-25 06:31:59] bluemaster : just to make 7 green monthly candle hold [2024-03-25 06:32:05] bmagic : lol [2024-03-25 06:32:22] laPanini : why not 8 green monthly or 9? [2024-03-25 06:32:28] laPanini : why settle with just 7. [2024-03-25 06:32:33] bluemaster : next month will be 8 green monthly candles [2024-03-25 06:32:48] bmagic : bluemaster: how are you handling the risk of failure to 48k [2024-03-25 06:33:09] bluemaster : bmagic: buy more if I am that lucky [2024-03-25 06:33:32] bmagic : bluemaster: ez [2024-03-25 06:34:06] bmagic : i don't know what your exposure is but hope it all pans out - i'm a bit pessimistic at this level, but optimistic for the medium [2024-03-25 06:34:57] bluemaster : bmagic: if I survived last time 69 k to 16k what 48k is going to do man [2024-03-25 06:34:58] bmagic : bluemaster: this is a relevant fractal i overlaid, but its certainly not a prediction. https://www.tradingview.com/x/PDkTpYKK/ [2024-03-25 06:35:07] XBT Wizard : No one joined the game :(. Game will restart in an hour [2024-03-25 06:35:28] bmagic : 48k won't break easily [2024-03-25 06:35:36] bmagic : will take a major market destroying event [2024-03-25 06:35:58] bmagic : not that crypto hasn't experienced it before. [2024-03-25 06:36:14] Dario2 : laPanini: you still have to apologize for your many confirmed lies if you are man enough and have good manners. I say apologize and let bygones be bygones [2024-03-25 06:36:31] bmagic : this is my dream outcome for this year [2024-03-25 06:36:32] bmagic : https://www.tradingview.com/x/CSFmFW9T/ [2024-03-25 06:36:39] bmagic : but i'm not trading it. [2024-03-25 06:37:46] BMEXcheers : token burn this week [2024-03-25 06:38:05] Dario2 : BMEXcheers: how many? [2024-03-25 06:39:03] bluemaster : bmagic: my chart is simple , follow the trend ,eventually 305 k [2024-03-25 06:39:05] bluemaster : https://www.tradingview.com/x/2XeRA6bX/ [2024-03-25 06:39:11] bmagic : bluemaster: 3.3mill* [2024-03-25 06:39:25] bmagic : is 305k your exit strat. [2024-03-25 06:39:40] BMEXcheers : hmm theres a page [2024-03-25 06:39:43] BMEXcheers : let m find it [2024-03-25 06:40:15] BMEXcheers : https://www.bitmex.com/bmexburn [2024-03-25 06:40:59] BMEXcheers : they are also circulating more supply [2024-03-25 06:41:04] BMEXcheers : or will it always be 99M max [2024-03-25 06:41:05] BMEXcheers : hmm [2024-03-25 06:41:15] BMEXcheers : regardless, price continues to bleed [2024-03-25 06:41:43] Dario2 : BMEXcheers: Thank you. Last one was end of feb 383,186 [2024-03-25 06:41:53] BMEXcheers : yep, was quite a big burn [2024-03-25 06:42:09] Dario2 : indeed [2024-03-25 06:42:19] BMEXcheers : im not sure how thats decided [2024-03-25 06:44:52] MrBath : BMEXcheers: its a % of fees [2024-03-25 06:44:57] Dario2 : I read the litepaper last year but don’t remember the details. @RektumSauce knew everything about it, but haven’t seen him the past few months [2024-03-25 06:45:04] BMEXcheers : ah [2024-03-25 06:45:34] laPanini : fees never bleed :arthur: [2024-03-25 06:45:40] BMEXcheers : kek [2024-03-25 06:46:44] Dario2 : laPanini: You have not apologized yet. What does that tell about your character? [2024-03-25 06:49:09] BMEXcheers : maybe thats the play... [2024-03-25 06:49:22] BMEXcheers : buy bmex on the last week before the token burn [2024-03-25 06:49:30] BMEXcheers : watch it pump then sell [2024-03-25 07:07:50] BMEXcheers : here we fucking go lads [2024-03-25 07:07:51] BMEXcheers : oi oi [2024-03-25 07:08:12] BMEXcheers : right, time to roll out of bed and control my prolactin [2024-03-25 07:16:10] Dario2 : laPanini: I am disappointed at you. Basically everyone confirmed you were wrong and lying, yet you don’t want to apologize… not a good sign for a 74 years old man… pathetic [2024-03-25 07:24:24] TinyPenisMan : I didn't miss much today [2024-03-25 07:27:21] Dario2 : you didn’t miss anything. Let’s see what Muricans do with it after market open [2024-03-25 07:27:23] RonniePickering : /btc up ``` :bitmex: There is no active game ``` [2024-03-25 07:33:02] RealBawlOfLasagna : laPanini: No way, could leave for a year and see the same crap in the box, ludicrous, KEK [2024-03-25 07:35:08] XBT Wizard : Placements open for ~5 minutes. Commands: /btc up, /btc down. Cost: 1 BMEX [2024-03-25 07:40:12] XBT Wizard : Placement phase has ended. up: 0. down: 1. Starting price is 67033. Final price selected in ~5 minutes [2024-03-25 07:45:13] XBT Wizard : up WINS!. Starting price: 67033.0. Final price: 67074. [2024-03-25 07:50:07] XBT Wizard : Placements open for ~5 minutes. Commands: /btc up, /btc down. Cost: 1 BMEX [2024-03-25 07:55:13] XBT Wizard : No one joined the game :(. Game will restart in an hour [2024-03-25 07:59:24] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/iI39qpEU/ btfd btc lezgoo [2024-03-25 08:05:39] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/dJ1Yhk8u/ btfd btc lezgoo horizontalz [2024-03-25 08:11:29] bmagic : /position xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: 9,000 USD @ 67218 ``` [2024-03-25 08:11:31] bmagic : /position ethusd ``` :bitmex: ETHUSD: 40 Cont @ 3459.18 ``` [2024-03-25 08:11:33] bmagic : flipped [2024-03-25 08:13:19] BTCcheers : Dario2: prolly wrong [2024-03-25 08:13:46] PeacenLuv : bmagic: prolly right [2024-03-25 08:14:12] PeacenLuv : https://www.tradingview.com/x/xA7oxWPw/ btfd btc prolly right btc lezgoo [2024-03-25 08:14:49] PeacenLuv : bluemaster: thheez kidz bruhh [2024-03-25 08:14:55] PeacenLuv : juz longeet [2024-03-25 08:14:57] PeacenLuv : btc [2024-03-25 08:15:19] PeacenLuv : btc hugz around dah werld [2024-03-25 08:16:04] PeacenLuv : im prolly right [2024-03-25 08:16:33] PeacenLuv : rtq mex xbt btc perpz 67154 lezgoo [2024-03-25 08:18:06] PeacenLuv : xbt longztopz up 67k [2024-03-25 08:40:18] XRP Wale X : :doge: [2024-03-25 08:45:41] XRP Wale X : BTCcheers: 🚀 [2024-03-25 08:48:18] bmagic : can BTC just lift off for old times sake [2024-03-25 08:48:36] bmagic : we'll be back in 4 hours for the next episode of Dragon BTC [2024-03-25 08:50:43] bmagic : i will be surprised if it fails tonight - expect a leg up [2024-03-25 09:00:13] XBT Wizard : Placements open for ~5 minutes. Commands: /btc up, /btc down. Cost: 1 BMEX [2024-03-25 09:05:19] XBT Wizard : No one joined the game :(. Game will restart in an hour [2024-03-25 09:15:57] TinyPenisMan : Dario2: daily isn't looking great. Expecting a dump [2024-03-25 09:16:12] TinyPenisMan : Being on 59k [2024-03-25 09:16:30] TinyPenisMan : Bring* [2024-03-25 09:18:13] Andy RSA : TinyPenisMan: agree [2024-03-25 09:19:57] TinyPenisMan : It needs to hold the 20 day ema on the daily otherwise we will drop. This bounce was nothing more than heavy support at the 60k-61k level but nothing to sustain it once the walla fall. [2024-03-25 09:22:12] hehe MOON : Are ya winning yet bearas? [2024-03-25 09:25:37] TinyPenisMan : Fking dedbox [2024-03-25 09:45:26] GSJMS : Good Morning [2024-03-25 09:49:04] GSJMS : Solana is doing nicely! [2024-03-25 10:02:34] Fusionstt : when eth 10k [2024-03-25 10:02:39] Fusionstt : :pepe: [2024-03-25 10:10:08] XBT Wizard : Placements open for ~5 minutes. Commands: /btc up, /btc down. Cost: 1 BMEX [2024-03-25 10:12:06] Rupertje : When you guys do a 100x you use a stoploss too and yes like how many % ? [2024-03-25 10:13:03] Rupertje : Or a 50x [2024-03-25 10:14:34] Fusionstt : until you receive a liqudation e-mail :pepe: [2024-03-25 10:14:51] Rupertje : So basiclt its yolo [2024-03-25 10:15:00] Fusionstt : no clue tbh, don't touch that [2024-03-25 10:15:01] Rupertje : Basicly [2024-03-25 10:15:04] Fusionstt : i got liq'd many times on x2 so [2024-03-25 10:15:08] XBT Wizard : No one joined the game :(. Game will restart in an hour [2024-03-25 10:15:23] rxr : https://www.tradingview.com/x/lLecE4FH/ [2024-03-25 10:15:24] rxr : move move [2024-03-25 10:16:09] Rupertje : Whats max lev you use @Fusionstt [2024-03-25 10:16:16] Fusionstt : x1-x2 [2024-03-25 10:16:37] Fusionstt : but hey im always underwater so dont ask me :pepe: [2024-03-25 10:16:39] Rupertje : Ahh ok and then long trade or scope ? [2024-03-25 10:16:40] Fusionstt : /upnl ethusd ``` :bitmex: ETHUSD: -0.0290 XBT UPNL ``` [2024-03-25 10:16:52] Fusionstt : i long trade usually [2024-03-25 10:16:59] Fusionstt : but that never works out [2024-03-25 10:17:06] Rupertje : Ahh ok 😁 [2024-03-25 10:17:12] Rupertje : Maby someday [2024-03-25 10:17:19] Fusionstt : I thought I had set a SL [2024-03-25 10:17:22] Rupertje : But will take allot of tim [2024-03-25 10:17:27] Fusionstt : but apparently I didnt so I got stuck in the position [2024-03-25 10:17:41] Fusionstt : /position ethusd , thought I had set a SL at 3840 ``` :bitmex: ETHUSD: 55 Cont @ 3999.49 ``` [2024-03-25 10:17:49] Fusionstt : but then it dropped to 3k :pepe: [2024-03-25 10:18:02] Rupertje : Mehh [2024-03-25 10:18:06] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated short on `SOLUSD`: Buy 20 Cont @ 190.9 ($256.80) [2024-03-25 10:18:19] Rupertje : But you dont ladder in more when going down? [2024-03-25 10:18:27] Fusionstt : I do generally [2024-03-25 10:18:35] Fusionstt : but the fees are already killing me [2024-03-25 10:18:51] Fusionstt : so adding more when its not moving higher than 4k will destroy me more [2024-03-25 10:19:03] Fusionstt : /rpnl ethusd ``` :bitmex: ETHUSD: -0.0058 XBT RPNL ``` [2024-03-25 10:19:04] Rupertje : Ye funding eats you thats why i stopped my long 2 [2024-03-25 10:19:06] Fusionstt : thats 4 days [2024-03-25 10:19:11] XRP Wale X : Fusionstt: :doge: [2024-03-25 10:19:29] Fusionstt : oh no, actually 8 [2024-03-25 10:19:41] Rupertje : I wanna do 25 x or more scopes [2024-03-25 10:19:51] Fusionstt : XRP Wale X: hi [2024-03-25 10:19:53] Rupertje : Was at 65.6 long for like a week 2 [2024-03-25 10:19:55] Fusionstt : Rupertje: 15m chart is nice [2024-03-25 10:20:22] Rupertje : Sold it did a 100 yesterday evening made more as in last 2 weeks haha [2024-03-25 10:20:28] Fusionstt : yep [2024-03-25 10:20:33] Rupertje : Sold at 98 % [2024-03-25 10:20:53] Fusionstt : /position dotusd ``` :bitmex: DOTUSD: 930 Cont @ 11.104 ``` [2024-03-25 10:20:56] Fusionstt : ill ladder dot more later [2024-03-25 10:20:57] Rupertje : But ye think that was lucky [2024-03-25 10:21:36] Fusionstt : think dot will reach 15 soon [2024-03-25 10:21:45] Rupertje : As long when Funding keeps like this i wont start long 5/10x [2024-03-25 10:22:05] Fusionstt : aye [2024-03-25 10:22:24] Rupertje : Or we need reject and dump to 58k kish [2024-03-25 10:22:26] Dario2 : TinyPenisMan: Agree with the 20 ema support that you mentioned. Also see a few bearish signs like the cme gap at 64k, the bearish divergence that ckarknova noticed last night and the waning mainstream interest/fomo according to the latest google trend data [2024-03-25 10:22:26] Fusionstt : im also considering closing that eth pos [2024-03-25 10:22:29] Rupertje : Then i maby go long [2024-03-25 10:22:43] Dario2 : but at the same time etf providers retained their inflow and new buyers appear to be greedy and not selling. [2024-03-25 10:23:10] Dario2 : Also wondering what strategy miners will play before halving as they have to throw away old equipment and install new ones. They probably have mathematician game theorists working on it as we speak. [2024-03-25 10:23:22] Dario2 : will be an exciting week [2024-03-25 10:24:48] Rupertje : I hope so [2024-03-25 10:24:59] Rupertje : But then action 2 sides down and up [2024-03-25 10:25:05] Dario2 : I hope so too [2024-03-25 10:25:28] Rupertje : You got some entrys when btc het rejected ? [2024-03-25 10:25:31] Dario2 : yep will probably be a good week for scalpers and swing traders [2024-03-25 10:25:46] Rupertje : I mean 48 k would be nice long but prolly wont come close to it [2024-03-25 10:26:02] Dario2 : Rupertje: closed my long last night. Is your long still open? [2024-03-25 10:26:16] Rupertje : Sold 10 x one [2024-03-25 10:26:31] Rupertje : And did a quick 100 x sold it with 98% [2024-03-25 10:26:53] Rupertje : 10 x was bad entry funding was killing me [2024-03-25 10:27:56] Rupertje : Thats why i need lower entry for 5/10 x [2024-03-25 10:28:06] Rupertje : Not worth to go long at 65 k imo [2024-03-25 10:28:16] Rupertje : Better 60/56 area [2024-03-25 10:28:20] Dario2 : Rupertje: yeah funding was pain in the ass. 48k would be a nice long entry but I doubt it will go down that far.let’s see if bears can dump it to 58-63k then 51-53k will come insight [2024-03-25 10:28:38] Dario2 : Rupertje: agree on that [2024-03-25 10:28:57] Rupertje : Ahh well each day i Learn a bit more lol [2024-03-25 10:29:18] Dario2 : same with me [2024-03-25 10:29:20] Rupertje : Thats why i like to ask questions here that way i can learn [2024-03-25 10:30:07] Rupertje : Same as if people use stoplosses with 50/100 x or just yolo [2024-03-25 10:30:23] Dario2 : you are a very good trader but yet modest and eager to learn more. I admire that mate [2024-03-25 10:31:36] RobVacation : Rupertje: 100x liq. is around 0.4% [2024-03-25 10:31:49] RobVacation : ask u self do u need stop loss? [2024-03-25 10:32:04] Rupertje : Not really i guess then 😅 [2024-03-25 10:32:14] RobVacation : exactly. [2024-03-25 10:32:17] RobVacation : lol [2024-03-25 10:33:05] Rupertje : Onley thing you can do then is to not make you size to big [2024-03-25 10:33:12] Rupertje : Compared to 10xer [2024-03-25 10:33:17] Rupertje : Your [2024-03-25 10:33:30] RobVacation : yeah x10 is around 9% [2024-03-25 10:33:53] RobVacation : more safe but still u need to know what are u doing. [2024-03-25 10:34:02] Rupertje : True [2024-03-25 10:35:16] General Host : So we're done here for the weekend I guess? [2024-03-25 10:38:49] BMEXcheers : 80k eoy [2024-03-25 10:38:51] Rupertje : If you guys know some good videos about better trading feel free to share em with me 🙂 [2024-03-25 10:38:54] BMEXcheers : eow* [2024-03-25 10:40:45] RobVacation : the best video is watch yur self and improve. [2024-03-25 10:41:02] XRP Wale X : RobVacation: :doge: [2024-03-25 10:41:06] RobVacation : i read a lot of books for example. [2024-03-25 10:41:11] BMEXcheers : recording yourself getting liquidated [2024-03-25 10:41:13] BMEXcheers : no thank you [2024-03-25 10:41:22] RobVacation : XRP Wale X: :doge: [2024-03-25 10:41:34] BMEXcheers : how to get crypto rich: buy and hodl, sell when bear div on weekly [2024-03-25 10:41:39] Rupertje : Ye got 1 Dutch trading book to pretty interesting [2024-03-25 10:41:40] BMEXcheers : end of fucking story [2024-03-25 10:41:41] BMEXcheers : yee jaww [2024-03-25 10:42:27] RobVacation : Rupertje: in the zone mark douglas is good [2024-03-25 10:42:50] Rupertje : Ill look it up thanks [2024-03-25 10:43:01] BMEXcheers : in crypto: bullflags break down, bear flags break up [2024-03-25 10:43:03] BMEXcheers : thats it [2024-03-25 10:43:11] BMEXcheers : end. of. fudging. story [2024-03-25 10:43:17] RobVacation : Jesse Livermore - Boy Plunger: The Man Who Sold America Short in 1929 Book by Tom Rubython [2024-03-25 10:43:27] RobVacation : very good [2024-03-25 10:44:46] Rupertje : What you think about Fibonacci lvls like the golden fib etc [2024-03-25 10:44:52] RobVacation : naked trading is readable too. [2024-03-25 10:44:56] Rupertje : Im trying that now [2024-03-25 10:45:06] RobVacation : Rupertje: imnot using. [2024-03-25 10:45:21] RobVacation : support and resistance level yes. [2024-03-25 10:45:35] Rupertje : Volume profile etc ? [2024-03-25 10:45:38] titanisph0ibe : such low volume is concerning [2024-03-25 10:45:43] Rupertje : Or just that 🙂 [2024-03-25 10:47:04] RobVacation : and practice practice and practice. [2024-03-25 10:47:51] Rupertje : True that need to learn and put all my trades i did in an Exel sheet [2024-03-25 10:47:57] Rupertje : What i did wrong etc [2024-03-25 10:48:10] Rupertje : Or write it down [2024-03-25 10:48:56] RobVacation : yeah good idea. [2024-03-25 10:51:43] Rupertje : Watched btcsniper too but he had long from 39 k a 50 x [2024-03-25 10:51:56] Rupertje : He had 2200% profit like amg lol [2024-03-25 10:52:02] Rupertje : Thats insane haha [2024-03-25 10:53:31] RonniePickering : CME gap closing time? [2024-03-25 10:55:29] Dario2 : some people were speculating within 24 hours [2024-03-25 10:57:59] Rupertje : Come gap is at ? [2024-03-25 10:58:02] Rupertje : Come [2024-03-25 10:58:11] Rupertje : Arghh cme [2024-03-25 10:59:21] Rupertje : big sausage fingers and mobile ... [2024-03-25 10:59:31] Hexagon : bears gap getting closed [2024-03-25 11:00:26] Dario2 : Look at BTC1! chart on tradingview if you are there. Gap started around 64k @Rupertje [2024-03-25 11:01:10] Rupertje : Ahh ok now at work so difficult to do that but thanks [2024-03-25 11:08:15] Dario2 : Rupertje: Werk ze! 😛 [2024-03-25 11:08:40] Rupertje : Haha dank je wel mooi korte week en volgende week ook 🥰🥰 [2024-03-25 11:10:54] Dario2 : Wat goeeed! [2024-03-25 11:13:21] Symphoenix : Beware ! About to dump ! [2024-03-25 11:14:53] Rupertje : Lolll @Dario2 [2024-03-25 11:15:02] Rupertje : But i dont like wine [2024-03-25 11:15:13] XBT Wizard : Placements open for ~5 minutes. Commands: /btc up, /btc down. Cost: 1 BMEX [2024-03-25 11:15:17] Dario2 : Rupertje: haha 😂 [2024-03-25 11:20:13] XBT Wizard : Placement phase has ended. up: 1. down: 0. Starting price is 66866.5. Final price selected in ~5 minutes [2024-03-25 11:25:08] XBT Wizard : down WINS!. Starting price: 66866.5. Final price: 66857. [2024-03-25 11:30:08] XBT Wizard : Placements open for ~5 minutes. Commands: /btc up, /btc down. Cost: 1 BMEX [2024-03-25 11:31:51] Satoru Gojo : /btc up ``` :bitmex: up placement accepted. up: 1. down: 0 ``` [2024-03-25 11:34:19] RealBawlOfLasagna : /btc down ``` :bitmex: down placement accepted. up: 0. down: 1 ``` [2024-03-25 11:35:12] XBT Wizard : Placement phase has ended. up: 1. down: 1. Starting price is 66875.5. Final price selected in ~5 minutes [2024-03-25 11:40:13] XBT Wizard : up WINS!. Starting price: 66875.5. Final price: 66940. [2024-03-25 11:45:08] XBT Wizard : Placements open for ~5 minutes. Commands: /btc up, /btc down. Cost: 1 BMEX [2024-03-25 11:50:13] XBT Wizard : Placement phase has ended. up: 0. down: 1. Starting price is 66863.5. Final price selected in ~5 minutes