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<< >> English 中文 Русский 한국어 日本語 Español Français [2024-03-11 19:06:14] doublecheese : magicaltux: when? I will be millionaire if that happens lol. Not gonna happen in 20 years at least [2024-03-11 19:07:21] al guul : 76kekers [2024-03-11 19:07:34] laPanini : at this point we have entered price discovery, might not be a pullback in a very very long time. [2024-03-11 19:07:51] MrBritcoin : 100% a bot controled market right now [2024-03-11 19:08:07] 123sb2 : 150k [2024-03-11 19:08:08] Sir.LongCoin : BULLISH MANIPULATION [2024-03-11 19:08:12] Sir.LongCoin : 120KEKS [2024-03-11 19:08:12] MrBritcoin : any trade over 50x bots attack [2024-03-11 19:08:28] 123sb2 : Don’t use leverage just 1x [2024-03-11 19:08:30] MrBritcoin : it [2024-03-11 19:08:52] 123sb2 : Only use leverage for hedging [2024-03-11 19:09:05] MrBritcoin : 123sb2: im not saying i am im just stating facts [2024-03-11 19:09:57] al guul : fomos inn. Mi phone is ringin [2024-03-11 19:09:59] doublecheese : laPanini: pre-halving dump turned out to be a meme after all. I am curious if we do get a halving dump or if it will be a meme as well [2024-03-11 19:10:24] 123sb2 : The halving dump will be meme [2024-03-11 19:10:32] laPanini : Keep an open mind sir, it can happen at any point in time if enough fud hits the bots. [2024-03-11 19:10:49] 123sb2 : The bots won’t do shit [2024-03-11 19:10:52] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 4300 USD @ 72771.5 [2024-03-11 19:11:02] doublecheese : 123sb2: I am 0.94x lev and not getting greedy :) my xbt appreciates on its own, every sat counts, no need to get greedy [2024-03-11 19:11:32] 123sb2 : I’m only hedging and I’m not greedy [2024-03-11 19:11:42] 123sb2 : my profit is the funding fee whether market goes up or down [2024-03-11 19:11:50] laPanini : maximum greed fills the wallet in times like these. [2024-03-11 19:11:54] laPanini : until it doesnt [2024-03-11 19:12:02] 123sb2 : Can’t make a hedgers go greedy [2024-03-11 19:12:23] laPanini : dear sir, greed is always lurking in the shadows. [2024-03-11 19:12:29] 123sb2 : hedger will always be delta neutral [2024-03-11 19:12:40] 123sb2 : Short hedge spot [2024-03-11 19:12:46] 123sb2 : 50/50 [2024-03-11 19:12:49] 123sb2 : cant get rekt [2024-03-11 19:13:30] BuzzLightweight : Lol fake rumour about xrp wtf [2024-03-11 19:13:31] doublecheese : laPanini: I am aware of that, but I believe there are less chances of big corrections here than there were below ath. Big dumps can happen but in my opinion they will likely be bought pretty fast [2024-03-11 19:13:38] BuzzLightweight : up 20% Fake rumour lol [2024-03-11 19:13:56] MrBritcoin : BuzzLightweight: xrp will die soon [2024-03-11 19:14:03] MrBritcoin : for good [2024-03-11 19:14:11] doublecheese : laPanini: I'll buy every dip with my fu money and keep this low lev running [2024-03-11 19:14:19] laPanini : doublecheese: You sir, have not been in this market long enough. 30% corrections is not uncommon during price discovery. [2024-03-11 19:14:20] al guul : betabera prepping the fart counter attack [2024-03-11 19:16:11] doublecheese : laPanini: last bullrun it only corrected twice, 25%. And the second one was very near the top. But we didn't have etf back the [2024-03-11 19:16:20] 123sb2 : I have been hedging here for 7 years already have seen everything [2024-03-11 19:16:22] General Host : 🐟 [2024-03-11 19:16:23] doublecheese : laPanini: on weekly tf [2024-03-11 19:16:31] General Host : 👃 [2024-03-11 19:16:33] 123sb2 : 30% correction happens [2024-03-11 19:16:42] 123sb2 : I just observe though I don’t take any risk [2024-03-11 19:16:43] laPanini : doublecheese: some corrections are bigger than others. [2024-03-11 19:17:11] GoldFish79 : 💦 :me: 💦 [2024-03-11 19:17:21] doublecheese : laPanini: I was there last bullrun, I just did the mistake of investing on shtcoins and then longing btc on margin at the top. In other words, I did everything wrong :) [2024-03-11 19:17:29] laPanini : Anything can happen at any point in time, this is where stop losses comes into picture to lock in profits. [2024-03-11 19:18:02] 123sb2 : I don’t think stop loss will work when it starts to dump hard [2024-03-11 19:18:17] 123sb2 : the trading engines overload and freeze and the platform went down for some hours [2024-03-11 19:18:23] al guul : true [2024-03-11 19:18:43] laPanini : of course it will, it will give you some profits, but with a huige slippage, unless you have stop loss right above entry, then your frucked. [2024-03-11 19:19:21] BMEXcheers : trollbox summary: it could go up, it could go down <theory here on why price moves up or down> [2024-03-11 19:19:24] 123sb2 : May as well get liquidated instead of that big slippage [2024-03-11 19:19:50] laPanini : The only guarantuee I can ever give is price will always move to the right, unless you turn screen upside down. [2024-03-11 19:20:03] 123sb2 : but but well I’m hedging so I only get liquidated when it goes up [2024-03-11 19:20:16] doublecheese : 123sb2: yeah, if we go to 25k I will be liquidated. [2024-03-11 19:20:20] 123sb2 : then I just sell my spot before liquidation [2024-03-11 19:20:25] laPanini : 123sb2: tiny profit is way better then being liquidated sir. [2024-03-11 19:20:38] doublecheese : 123sb2: not impossible of course, but I still sleep at night [2024-03-11 19:20:41] 123sb2 : laPanini: you can lose more from the slippage than getting liquidated sometimes [2024-03-11 19:20:49] GoldFish79 : who remembers this from back in the day kekekeke [2024-03-11 19:20:51] GoldFish79 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/XN8VBJM7/ [2024-03-11 19:20:55] 123sb2 : doublecheese: I hedge only and sleep every night [2024-03-11 19:21:15] laPanini : then you must have your stops very poorly positioned. [2024-03-11 19:21:42] doublecheese : 123sb2: you probably have a good amount spot. I don't have this luck :( so no sense to me to hedge [2024-03-11 19:21:43] 123sb2 : I don’t put stop I only hedge if I get liquidated I sell my spot and hedge again [2024-03-11 19:21:53] laPanini : or i have been very lucky, could be that way as well. [2024-03-11 19:22:19] ninnk : :pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe::pepe: [2024-03-11 19:22:21] laPanini : but somehow i have always squeezed out a profit from my stops even during huge slippage. [2024-03-11 19:23:04] 123sb2 : doublecheese: I have some money but I just want to take zero risk that’s why I hedge [2024-03-11 19:23:39] 123sb2 : I’m afraid to lose so even if I get 30% from hedging per year it’s better than losing [2024-03-11 19:24:11] doublecheese : 123sb2: what's the point tho? Bitcoin is inherently risky, if I don't want risk I would stay in fiat [2024-03-11 19:24:23] 123sb2 : doublecheese: get 30% in usd [2024-03-11 19:24:36] 123sb2 : Is Better than any bank account savings and usd bond [2024-03-11 19:24:44] 123sb2 : you get 10% max on those [2024-03-11 19:24:45] laPanini : what if bitcoin is actually stable and stagnant and its the dollar that is volatile around bitcoin? [2024-03-11 19:24:48] doublecheese : 123sb2: if you hedge 1:1 you won't profit from price appreciation [2024-03-11 19:24:55] BMEXcheers : its like my plastic surgeon said to the anesthesiologist when they saw my face post surgery: no risk, no reward [2024-03-11 19:25:04] 123sb2 : so by hedging in crypto I get 30% is triple than saving usd in banks [2024-03-11 19:25:11] 123sb2 : doublecheese: my profit is the funding fee [2024-03-11 19:25:32] doublecheese : 123sb2: sometimes you pay the fee tho [2024-03-11 19:25:47] 123sb2 : my goal is to grow my usd 30% per year is enough, I don’t care about price appreciation [2024-03-11 19:25:54] laPanini : BMEXcheers: no reward, no food, no food, no life sir. [2024-03-11 19:26:01] BMEXcheers : no coochie [2024-03-11 19:26:06] 123sb2 : doublecheese: mostly short receives money from long [2024-03-11 19:26:11] BMEXcheers : tis true sir [2024-03-11 19:26:23] laPanini : coochie is free though. [2024-03-11 19:26:24] doublecheese : 123sb2: anyway you do you of course. I'm more like a degen gambler than a real trader so :) [2024-03-11 19:26:33] LickMyBulls : I was going to get back in but funding on everything is completely fu ckd [2024-03-11 19:26:41] doublecheese : Or investor for that matter [2024-03-11 19:27:02] 123sb2 : doublecheese: degen as a whole group lose in the long term [2024-03-11 19:27:40] doublecheese : Bitmex funding is very very high, not everywhere is like this @LickMyBulls [2024-03-11 19:27:58] 123sb2 : I’m effectively farming interest on my usd by hedging 1:1 with spot [2024-03-11 19:28:00] doublecheese : As much as I love bitmex I gotta say this [2024-03-11 19:28:06] LickMyBulls : doublecheese: lets just say I can't use anywhere else. [2024-03-11 19:28:15] 123sb2 : well at least I can sleep and I get risk free money [2024-03-11 19:28:27] 123sb2 : just like there is free lunch in the world [2024-03-11 19:28:35] RobVacation : im not hedging. im going full acc. all the time. [2024-03-11 19:28:52] RobVacation : one direction and must go. [2024-03-11 19:29:09] 123sb2 : I’m 50% spot and 50% 1x short the same spot. [2024-03-11 19:29:48] RobVacation : cuz is u personality @123sb2 [2024-03-11 19:30:00] Sir.LongCoin : /position xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: 100 USD @ 16465 ``` [2024-03-11 19:30:03] Sir.LongCoin : /pnl xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: -0.0002 XBT RPNL, 0.0047 XBT UPNL ``` [2024-03-11 19:30:15] Sir.LongCoin : FULL MOON IS COMING [2024-03-11 19:30:51] LickMyBulls : I'll wait for the pull back. [2024-03-11 19:31:17] RobVacation : 123sb2: but is nothing wrong with that [2024-03-11 19:31:29] RobVacation : is u risk tolerance. [2024-03-11 19:31:50] RobVacation : my style is diffrent. [2024-03-11 19:32:01] 123sb2 : can’t take any risk [2024-03-11 19:32:12] BMEXcheers : its like my plastic surgeon said to the anesthesiologist when they saw my face post surgery: no risk, no reward [2024-03-11 19:32:15] BMEXcheers : oops [2024-03-11 19:32:20] 123sb2 : If I lose my wife will leave me [2024-03-11 19:32:23] RobVacation : like i said is u personality. [2024-03-11 19:32:25] doublecheese : RobVacation: if I had decent money I would be ultra happy making 30%. Thing is, I am SO poor I NEED insane returns to get started. So I must invest high risk, high return for now [2024-03-11 19:32:44] BMEXcheers : doublecheese are you a student [2024-03-11 19:32:47] laPanini : 123sb2: time to make some wife changing money sir. [2024-03-11 19:32:58] RobVacation : 120% a year @doublecheese [2024-03-11 19:33:09] RobVacation : x1 [2024-03-11 19:33:12] 123sb2 : I can change wives as many times as I want with hedging money that’s why I can’t afford to lose [2024-03-11 19:33:13] doublecheese : BMEXcheers: nope [2024-03-11 19:33:21] doublecheese : RobVacation: not enough [2024-03-11 19:33:27] RobVacation : min [2024-03-11 19:33:44] doublecheese : RobVacation: x1 you mean holding spot? [2024-03-11 19:33:45] 123sb2 : I get a lot of money from hedging. If I lose all, I have no money and no wife [2024-03-11 19:33:57] laPanini : The full experience do include losing everything at least once. [2024-03-11 19:34:01] doublecheese : RobVacation: in the long run buying and hodling is the real winner [2024-03-11 19:34:02] RobVacation : no lev x1 @doublecheese [2024-03-11 19:34:11] RobVacation : u have 0.95 [2024-03-11 19:34:14] doublecheese : laPanini: did that twice [2024-03-11 19:34:16] RobVacation : yes [2024-03-11 19:34:32] RobVacation : ? [2024-03-11 19:34:41] doublecheese : RobVacation: 0.95x yes, already high risk for me lol given it's bitcoin [2024-03-11 19:35:06] 123sb2 : You see I hedge 1 million + and get like 500k per year. So I can literally go to escort every day [2024-03-11 19:35:15] 123sb2 : so can’t afford to lose [2024-03-11 19:35:20] doublecheese : RobVacation: gonna gamble more on other exchange with my FU money [2024-03-11 19:35:35] laPanini : escort has diseases, diseases causes doctors, doctors is expensive, 500k gone. [2024-03-11 19:35:39] doublecheese : RobVacation: very small amount [2024-03-11 19:35:54] 123sb2 : Then hedge again and no escort for one year to pay that 500k [2024-03-11 19:35:59] RobVacation : 123sb2: yes escort every day.My man. [2024-03-11 19:36:37] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSDT`: Sell 0.4300 XBT @ 72227.1 ($31,075.75) - when moon? [2024-03-11 19:36:48] RobVacation : doublecheese: like u said if u have a small capital u maust risk more. [2024-03-11 19:37:37] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 12200 USD @ 72106.5 [2024-03-11 19:38:04] hehe MOON : BUY EVERY WEAK ASS DUMP, EZ [2024-03-11 19:38:04] RobVacation : one shot one opportunity. [2024-03-11 19:38:11] hehe MOON : :DOGE: [2024-03-11 19:38:40] RobVacation : :doge: [2024-03-11 19:38:48] BMEXcheers : you only get one shot... [2024-03-11 19:39:02] Rupertje : never 72 k anymore [2024-03-11 19:39:13] Rupertje : :D [2024-03-11 19:39:22] laPanini : beras must be getting desperate.. [2024-03-11 19:39:38] doublecheese : RobVacation: I am already risking a lot. Longing here, longing on other exchange more aggressively. Than altcoin spot portfolio and shtcoin moonshots. I did all that was reasonably on my power. But I CAN'T afford to lose the amount I have here hence the 0.95x lev. Still with this lev it's NOT impossible to get liqd. But I sleep at nights for now [2024-03-11 19:40:04] laPanini : doublecheese: think of how much money you would have made with 1CAT and JUP sir. [2024-03-11 19:40:26] doublecheese : laPanini: in hindsight, it's always easy sir bread :) [2024-03-11 19:40:35] 123sb2 : Yeah risk a long by longing here [2024-03-11 19:40:44] 123sb2 : too risky [2024-03-11 19:41:01] doublecheese : laPanini: but as you have teach to me, there's always the next opportunity [2024-03-11 19:41:06] laPanini : doublecheese: Nah, not really its the same story every time, something kicks it up, bots take over, it escalates to absurdum and voila profits. [2024-03-11 19:41:08] BMEXcheers : the most important part about trading is: your friends from years ago are crypto rich [2024-03-11 19:41:33] 123sb2 : Don’t think that you don’t get liquidated the funding fee will eat you alive [2024-03-11 19:41:56] laPanini : 123sb2: funding will eat margin, 0 margin = liquidation sir. [2024-03-11 19:42:04] 123sb2 : your liquidation maybe 25k now but after paying funding for a year it will be 35k [2024-03-11 19:42:33] RobVacation : laPanini: yeah doctors cost the maney especially when u give the head and u catch something.haha [2024-03-11 19:42:56] laPanini : RobVacation: Indeed sir, its worse than funding. It eats profits... [2024-03-11 19:43:08] RobVacation : yes indeed. [2024-03-11 19:43:13] doublecheese : 123sb2: @laPanini if we remain bull it's still convenient to long despite the fee [2024-03-11 19:43:24] 123sb2 : doublecheese: don’t think it’s worth it [2024-03-11 19:43:47] laPanini : doublecheese: its not, its better to take profit, stay to the sidelines for a few day, wait for a new opportunity, repeat. [2024-03-11 19:43:57] laPanini : The plus is, wallet will grow bigger faster. [2024-03-11 19:44:14] doublecheese : 123sb2: I'm longing since 38k and for now it's been worth it. Did 4x my initial amount [2024-03-11 19:44:26] laPanini : profits will compound ontop of eachother. [2024-03-11 19:44:31] doublecheese : 123sb2: would not have done it if not on margin [2024-03-11 19:44:43] 123sb2 : After a year back to 38k and you pay a year of funding what about that [2024-03-11 19:44:55] doublecheese : laPanini: if I had sold the other day I would have missed this pump [2024-03-11 19:44:59] 123sb2 : no one can predict the market anyways [2024-03-11 19:45:06] doublecheese : 123sb2: the hope is to sell high. [2024-03-11 19:45:16] 123sb2 : only hedgers are almost making money always [2024-03-11 19:45:38] 123sb2 : only lose when fee is negative but that’s an exception [2024-03-11 19:47:04] doublecheese : laPanini: in any case I will evaluate about closing 50% at 100k if we get there. Too big of a psychological resistance. Holding spot will be fine at that point [2024-03-11 19:47:46] laPanini : doublecheese: the thing is, more likely than not, we wont go there in a straight line. Taking profits and reopen along the way could be a strategy worth looking into to save money from funding. [2024-03-11 19:47:48] doublecheese : Already closed 25% at ath [2024-03-11 19:47:56] laPanini : Just saying, bread is a bread as always. [2024-03-11 19:48:37] laPanini : I have lost so much money by keeping profitable positions open and then price just comes back to give me 0 profits. [2024-03-11 19:48:51] laPanini : So I rather just lock in profits so I can re-enter at any time. [2024-03-11 19:49:09] VEGETA-WP : me too bro [2024-03-11 19:49:16] VEGETA-WP : but greed [2024-03-11 19:49:22] laPanini : There is no guarantuee that we ever hit 100k, this could be the top right now, no one really knows. [2024-03-11 19:49:38] laPanini : We might hit 100k, we might also hit 500k. [2024-03-11 19:49:53] laPanini : No one can say with a guarantuee it will ever happen, its just speculation. [2024-03-11 19:49:59] al guul : ok [2024-03-11 19:50:02] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4000 USD @ 72021 [2024-03-11 19:50:07] laPanini : Does not matter how bullish I am, price ignores me. :) [2024-03-11 19:50:08] doublecheese : laPanini: yeah it can surely happen. But fact is, I cannot time the market so how am I supposed to reenter at a better position? [2024-03-11 19:50:22] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 USD @ 71951.5 [2024-03-11 19:50:24] laPanini : doublecheese: plan ahead sir, plan ahead. [2024-03-11 19:50:25] Sir.LongCoin : DUMP IT TO 120KEKS [2024-03-11 19:50:28] Rupertje : hmm [2024-03-11 19:50:48] al guul : dips are for buying [2024-03-11 19:51:00] laPanini : indeed dips are for buying until further notice. [2024-03-11 19:52:08] ointerMC : I once ment a wise man. I was stumbly drunk after drinking ser. He was sitting on a street corner, he asked me for change. I found a couple bucks in my pocket. He acted offended. He said no ser, with a offended experesion. He said to me, its a long ser, always a long. He then somehow did a pepe face. Long before a pepe face was even invented. He said. I know that hoodie ser. I hope you take my advice. He then abrubtly ran to the nearby helipad and took off. It was then sers. Then I knew the math I did was right. [2024-03-11 19:52:26] doublecheese : laPanini: my plan is simple and stays the same. I wonder if it will be successful. It all depends whether I will be able to take profits or not [2024-03-11 19:52:27] laPanini : ointerMC: facts sir [2024-03-11 19:52:51] laPanini : doublecheese: no risk, no reward sir. [2024-03-11 19:53:00] rxr : 0 volatility at ath [2024-03-11 19:53:04] rxr : so fkin boring [2024-03-11 19:53:07] rxr : i guess funding too high [2024-03-11 19:53:17] rxr : they need to make weekly/monthly correction to reset funding [2024-03-11 19:54:09] al guul : ointerMC: im sure it was the ghost of ILoveBitmex [2024-03-11 19:54:18] GoldFish79 : price discovery doesnt have to be volitile [2024-03-11 19:54:20] laPanini : nah, they will just hold price here and let longers rekt due to out of margin. [2024-03-11 19:54:21] doublecheese : laPanini: I'm happy with low risk low reward. Still unsure I will even get the low reward lol [2024-03-11 19:54:27] GoldFish79 : chill whinston [2024-03-11 19:55:08] rxr : price should move up easily [2024-03-11 19:55:11] rxr : there is no resistance [2024-03-11 19:55:25] rxr : big boys dont wanna pay big funding clearly [2024-03-11 19:55:33] doublecheese : laPanini: if I get lucky, I'll sell 80% of my alts for btc and hold for life [2024-03-11 19:55:36] rxr : need a weekly/monthly dump [2024-03-11 19:55:43] laPanini : Resistances from now on is psychological only, it only exists because people believe it exists. [2024-03-11 19:56:01] laPanini : and bots with a pre set % take profit target. [2024-03-11 19:56:13] rxr : but yeah on weekly chart we went from 38k to 72k [2024-03-11 19:56:15] doublecheese : rxr: 4% in a day is not "easily"? [2024-03-11 19:56:15] rxr : without pullback [2024-03-11 19:56:31] laPanini : nothing strange, look at previous cycles. [2024-03-11 19:56:32] rxr : 0.5 pullback would be 56k [2024-03-11 19:57:02] rxr : go to 56k reset funding [2024-03-11 19:57:03] SphinxOfSpades : Dump ze ponzi [2024-03-11 19:57:03] laPanini : pullback will come, but not before everyone has bought. [2024-03-11 19:57:05] rxr : continue to 150k [2024-03-11 19:57:11] rxr : everyone is long [2024-03-11 19:57:12] rxr : look at funding [2024-03-11 19:57:12] SphinxOfSpades : /position xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: -472,200 USD @ 72502.1207 ``` [2024-03-11 19:57:14] rxr : everyone is long [2024-03-11 19:57:28] rxr : send it to 56k [2024-03-11 19:57:29] rxr : then 150k [2024-03-11 19:58:02] laPanini : tell bots to stop trading above index price and funding would reset. [2024-03-11 19:58:02] 123sb2 : liquidate the big short and dump [2024-03-11 19:58:33] 123sb2 : i hope the market stays sideways so hedgers can keep getting good funding [2024-03-11 19:58:47] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1900 USD @ 71848.5 [2024-03-11 19:58:48] 123sb2 : no need for pump or dump it’s perfect right now [2024-03-11 19:59:29] 123sb2 : need the bulls to not get bankrupt fast so they keep paying for my escorts [2024-03-11 19:59:30] doublecheese : SphinxOfSpades: brave. I wouldn't be able to open any position here. Not long nor short [2024-03-11 20:00:18] hardstyle : just follow the trend and keep a stop loss? [2024-03-11 20:00:43] rxr : we are too far away from MAs and EMAs [2024-03-11 20:00:47] rxr : funding too high [2024-03-11 20:01:02] rxr : neeed few weeks to wash out longs [2024-03-11 20:01:09] rxr : then trend will continue higher [2024-03-11 20:01:12] 123sb2 : Don’t wash out long let them keep paying [2024-03-11 20:01:25] rxr : they will keep paying even if price goes down [2024-03-11 20:01:32] 123sb2 : But much less [2024-03-11 20:01:40] 123sb2 : funding rate goes down and position value goes down [2024-03-11 20:02:08] 123sb2 : and I don’t think the big boys are paying the funding fee they would be holding spot instead of paying fees [2024-03-11 20:02:21] 123sb2 : the greedy retail is the one who is paying [2024-03-11 20:03:52] laPanini : i always enjoy readint the word "needs", market dont need anything from us, market does what market does, always. [2024-03-11 20:04:42] BMEXcheers : 3d candles n shieeeet [2024-03-11 20:05:21] buybitcoin_btc : 73k within 3hours time to watch a movie [2024-03-11 20:05:41] BMEXcheers : shieeeeeeeeeet [2024-03-11 20:05:44] BMEXcheers : schit [2024-03-11 20:05:56] doublecheese : laPanini: that's why hodling is winning. You don't care about what market does. I am slowly getting there and only playing with small amounts on margin [2024-03-11 20:06:11] 123sb2 : I’ think hedging return more than hodling [2024-03-11 20:06:22] 123sb2 : you are not early anymore [2024-03-11 20:06:46] laPanini : yeah, i sell at certain points too, i play both sides both the dollar and bitcoin, always stay liquid to buy lower and sell higher. [2024-03-11 20:06:47] al guul : bricks'n corn - one stop shop [2024-03-11 20:07:10] 123sb2 : And hodl loses a lot when market crashes. Hedgers truly don’t care [2024-03-11 20:07:11] laPanini : certain times i am bigger % bitcoin other times bigger % dollar, but never all in one side. [2024-03-11 20:07:36] migozelaaa : 100k this month [2024-03-11 20:07:48] 123sb2 : 200k next month 300k next year [2024-03-11 20:07:56] doublecheese : 123sb2: vast majority of people doesn't own bitcoin. Etf just arrived. I'm not THAT early but still relatively early. Also definitely early on alts but that involves luck [2024-03-11 20:08:19] 123sb2 : doublecheese: never gambled on Alt and never will [2024-03-11 20:08:56] 123sb2 : /position shibusdt ``` :bitmex: SHIBUSDT: -117,360,000 SHIB @ 0.0000331389 ``` [2024-03-11 20:08:57] laPanini : doublecheese: etf has to be 1:1 matching, so indirectly when owning etf you own bitcoin, you just cant do anything with it except sell it. [2024-03-11 20:09:01] 123sb2 : ahorring shib though [2024-03-11 20:09:08] 123sb2 : shorting [2024-03-11 20:09:24] 123sb2 : but it’s hedged by spot I just short it to hedge to get the juicy funding fee [2024-03-11 20:09:47] laPanini : delta neutral strategies are exciting. [2024-03-11 20:10:01] doublecheese : laPanini: it defeats the purpose of bitcoin of really owning your money tho. However I wouldn't really care that much, I'm here mainly to make more fiat, and I'm upfront about it [2024-03-11 20:10:36] 123sb2 : Not really exciting as I’m hedging forex and crypto for more than 10 years already but for sure zero stress and risk [2024-03-11 20:11:55] laPanini : bread has no knowledge in hedging, full speed until the crust is burnt sir. [2024-03-11 20:13:31] doublecheese : laPanini: I plan to be 75% in fiat at the end of the bullrun. Still feeling unsure I will be able to do that in time. [2024-03-11 20:13:36] BMEXcheers : bmex is the only stress free crypto on the market right now, think about it if it goes down you buy more if it goes up you sell [2024-03-11 20:14:05] laPanini : doublecheese: i plan to continue doing what i am doing and that is to make money in the markup period, and in the markdown period. [2024-03-11 20:14:42] 123sb2 : I missed the defi farming usd with 100%+ interest last bullrun [2024-03-11 20:14:54] 123sb2 : why isn’t there anything like that anymore [2024-03-11 20:15:01] laPanini : i missed it too, [2024-03-11 20:15:09] 123sb2 : start the usdt defi printing machine again [2024-03-11 20:15:18] ELMACO : Do i see some besrish or scared signs in The trollbox just because its low volatility? [2024-03-11 20:15:21] doublecheese : laPanini: how do you know when it's markup and when markdown tho? :D [2024-03-11 20:16:02] RobVacation : timing is dificult. [2024-03-11 20:16:13] laPanini : doublecheese: markup has prices going up, markdown has prices going down. [2024-03-11 20:16:18] RobVacation : there are some signs. [2024-03-11 20:16:23] laPanini : cycles in cycles in cycles in cycles. [2024-03-11 20:16:40] ELMACO : RobVacation: what are The signs? [2024-03-11 20:17:00] BMEXcheers : lol [2024-03-11 20:17:09] BMEXcheers : signs of lambos [2024-03-11 20:17:17] laPanini : ELMACO: A "top" sign pops up mid chart sir. [2024-03-11 20:17:21] RobVacation : look on the monthly for example. Wait on first red one apperance. @ELMACO [2024-03-11 20:17:25] doublecheese : laPanini: problem is that you can buy at bottoms since they are slow but cannot really time a top, it's impossible according to me. They dump when they want to dump. The house always wins [2024-03-11 20:18:33] doublecheese : RobVacation: so a red on monthly is all it takes? Why can't there be a green after the red? [2024-03-11 20:18:35] laPanini : doublecheese: it depends, last top was certainly not fast. [2024-03-11 20:18:41] BMEXcheers : there were 2 tops [2024-03-11 20:18:43] BMEXcheers : if not 4 [2024-03-11 20:18:44] ELMACO : RobVacation: ppl have been talking about big correction for months. [2024-03-11 20:18:45] BMEXcheers : lol [2024-03-11 20:19:24] RobVacation : ELMACO: yeah look on chart know. Do u see red candele? [2024-03-11 20:19:50] Fusionstt : /upnl xrpusd ``` :bitmex: XRPUSD: 0.0097 XBT UPNL ``` [2024-03-11 20:20:06] laPanini : doublecheese: This is where the plan ahead comes into picture, there are certain spots where price is more likely to do something than other spots. It does not have to happen, just probabilities increases. [2024-03-11 20:20:13] RobVacation : ELMACO: is one of the sighns. [2024-03-11 20:20:20] Fusionstt : /upnl dotusd ``` :bitmex: DOTUSD: 0.0026 XBT UPNL ``` [2024-03-11 20:20:56] laPanini : when in a parabullic move, i always look for breaks in the parabulla. Thats my warning. [2024-03-11 20:21:00] doublecheese : laPanini: fib extensions can help I guess. Taking profits on the way up is also important. I don't want to sell during panic. Better miss out some profits than panic sell [2024-03-11 20:21:04] RobVacation : stop printing money next one. [2024-03-11 20:21:21] laPanini : Global Euphoria is a third sign. [2024-03-11 20:21:25] doublecheese : laPanini: not yet parabolic now [2024-03-11 20:21:29] RobVacation : etfs next one. [2024-03-11 20:21:50] laPanini : 80+ ladies talking about 1CAT in the local supermarket is a huge sign, should not be ignored. [2024-03-11 20:22:09] RobVacation : yeah and next one when cleaning lady tell u to buy. [2024-03-11 20:22:10] ELMACO : RobVacation: this circle is different, too much buying preasure from none retail [2024-03-11 20:22:27] laPanini : doublecheese: we started a parabolic move when we moved out of the 52 zone. [2024-03-11 20:22:29] BMEXcheers : bmex will be the top indicator (d/w we just getting start aighttttt) [2024-03-11 20:22:46] RobVacation : yeah adjust yurself, adopt. @ELMACO [2024-03-11 20:22:55] laPanini : Some would argue the parabulla started at 38k. [2024-03-11 20:23:32] laPanini : And there are those that would argue that the parabulla goes all the way down to 15.4k. [2024-03-11 20:23:41] BMEXcheers : and many would argue if we ever went to 38k nobody would long [2024-03-11 20:23:48] BMEXcheers : because they didnt the first time :( [2024-03-11 20:23:52] RobVacation : i palay long term game. [2024-03-11 20:23:56] RobVacation : play [2024-03-11 20:24:38] laPanini : doublecheese: So you cannot say we are not in a parabola right now, unless you have data that tells you we are not. [2024-03-11 20:24:42] ELMACO : We are in price discovery, anything can happen, just have a plan [2024-03-11 20:25:49] doublecheese : laPanini: 2020 parabola was more, well, parabolic lol [2024-03-11 20:26:03] laPanini : doublecheese: not all parabolas looks the same. [2024-03-11 20:26:11] doublecheese : laPanini: so if this is a parabola we must be at the middle [2024-03-11 20:26:22] laPanini : they have certain "rules" they follow, but they dont look the same. [2024-03-11 20:26:43] laPanini : doublecheese: Why can''t we be at the beginning or the end of the parabola? [2024-03-11 20:27:23] RobVacation : sphinx shortin. [2024-03-11 20:27:33] RobVacation : brave [2024-03-11 20:27:37] ELMACO : doublecheese: its early, just because we are at ATH disent mean its full FOMO yet [2024-03-11 20:27:49] laPanini : ELMACO: +1 sir [2024-03-11 20:28:02] laPanini : fomo has not kicked in, just yet. [2024-03-11 20:28:26] RobVacation : greedyy beras.Maybe they get lucky.Who Knows. [2024-03-11 20:28:29] laPanini : news about bitcoin broke ath has just started spreading, far from enough people is involved yet. [2024-03-11 20:29:14] ELMACO : Also The big boys cant take down The price like they uselly do, because now its Qatar and Saudi buying every dip [2024-03-11 20:29:38] laPanini : Dont forget Larry, he buys too. [2024-03-11 20:29:43] ELMACO : Hyperbitcoinisation is here [2024-03-11 20:30:31] al guul : this is dirt cheap [2024-03-11 20:31:08] ELMACO : After we break 100k thats The floor for this cycle [2024-03-11 20:31:12] BMEXcheers : owning btc will become a status thing [2024-03-11 20:31:16] ELMACO : As lowest [2024-03-11 20:31:37] laPanini : BMEXcheers: owning bmex will be come even better than a status thing sir. [2024-03-11 20:32:15] doublecheese : ELMACO: how high do you think we may go? :) [2024-03-11 20:32:15] BMEXcheers : its true, wait till the FOMO kicks off at coinbase [2024-03-11 20:32:46] laPanini : When Coinbase is the no.1 app to download in App Store, its time to consider jumping ship, for a year or so. [2024-03-11 20:32:48] BMEXcheers : every man, woman, child (with their grandparents credit card) will be buying some [2024-03-11 20:33:12] ELMACO : doublecheese: depends on your time horizion. I THINK 300K then back to sub 100k before The blow off top 500k+ [2024-03-11 20:34:02] ELMACO : Then some multi year bear/sideways before we go for 1 mill+ [2024-03-11 20:34:11] laPanini : i will take it as it goes, i have a target of 280k, will be curious to see if it was way high or way low, or perfect. [2024-03-11 20:34:12] doublecheese : ELMACO: 300k to 100k is too big of a dump, it would be bear market if it does [2024-03-11 20:34:58] ELMACO : doublecheese: yeah its The super cycle, it traps bears [2024-03-11 20:35:25] ELMACO : And shakes off longs [2024-03-11 20:35:38] al guul : 🐍 [2024-03-11 20:36:00] doublecheese : ELMACO: I'll probably exit long at some time and just hold spot. The end game is hodling [2024-03-11 20:36:22] doublecheese : ELMACO: I feel lucky to have got in at 38k even if it's a small amount [2024-03-11 20:36:28] doublecheese : At least I have some [2024-03-11 20:37:21] ELMACO : doublecheese: yeah If you hold spot and gonna HODL you can just comeback 2030+ really, No need to watch and be emotionell about price, I price my wealth in bitcoin not dollar. [2024-03-11 20:38:20] doublecheese : ELMACO: aren't you scared someday bitcoin may fail/be declared illegal/broken by quantum computing of whatever? Just saying [2024-03-11 20:38:49] laPanini : lol, quantum computing fud. [2024-03-11 20:40:12] doublecheese : laPanini: my fav fud is usdt fud, because it actually has basis. But even if theter collapses it won't be the end of bitcoin. [2024-03-11 20:40:38] ELMACO : Im divercyfied, got stocks, cash, normal economi stuff too, im betting my other 50% on bitcoin [2024-03-11 20:40:41] laPanini : doublecheese: my favorite anti-fud is, printer goes brrr... [2024-03-11 20:42:17] doublecheese : ELMACO: now that makes sense. [2024-03-11 20:42:32] doublecheese : ELMACO: I will do the same if I make a decent amount during this run [2024-03-11 20:42:58] ELMACO : doublecheese: bitcoin have been declared illigal dead so many Times. I WILL DIE WITH MY Bitcoins. [2024-03-11 20:43:22] al guul : leave the password [2024-03-11 20:43:42] BMEXcheers : theorymaxxxing [2024-03-11 20:43:43] BMEXcheers : lol [2024-03-11 20:44:08] ELMACO : Will be cary on my phasephrase too my kidz [2024-03-11 20:44:55] Fund Sucker : @admin why do you appear to be delisted Eth/BTC pair? Surely it has better volume than some of the other muck that's listed? [2024-03-11 20:45:29] BitMEX_ChrisK : Fund Sucker: How may we be of help? [2024-03-11 20:45:46] Fund Sucker : On message [2024-03-11 20:46:11] BitMEX_ChrisK : Fund Sucker: Could you please specify the exact name of the contract you are referring to? [2024-03-11 20:47:08] Fund Sucker : ETHM24 [2024-03-11 20:50:11] doublecheese : Avax and ltc were satisfying today :) [2024-03-11 20:50:38] Fund Sucker : BitMEX_ChrisK: ETHM24 [2024-03-11 20:52:14] BitMEX_ChrisK : Fund Sucker: The contract ETHM24 is actually about to be available for trading in 7 hours, rather than delisted. [2024-03-11 20:52:40] Fund Sucker : BitMEX_ChrisK: thanks. Sorry for troubling you [2024-03-11 20:52:51] bluemaster : Fund Sucker: Arthur losing to much money trying to pump Vitalik Coin vs BItcoin , classical scam artist just like rest [2024-03-11 20:52:51] BitMEX_ChrisK : Fund Sucker: You are most welcome! :) [2024-03-11 20:53:02] laPanini : BitMEX_ChrisK: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: :pepe: [2024-03-11 20:53:24] laPanini : I bless you with pepes for a long life and allot of profits. [2024-03-11 20:54:04] bluemaster : https://bitcoinwisdom.io/markets/binance/ethbtc [2024-03-11 20:54:19] Fund Sucker : bluemaster: apologise to Arthur right now [2024-03-11 20:55:07] laPanini : The mythical powers of Arthur is shown in every wick. [2024-03-11 20:55:37] bluemaster : Fund Sucker: fufck him [2024-03-11 20:56:01] DogeCoin X : :doge: XRP :doge: [2024-03-11 20:56:08] BTCcheers : https://www.tradingview.com/x/vyJ8Rz9f/ btfd btc going into asiaam tues lezgooo pampeet btc 74.3 [2024-03-11 20:56:08] bluemaster : and his new so called stable coin [2024-03-11 20:56:09] DogeCoin X : 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🫡 [2024-03-11 20:56:24] BTCcheers : 21hun up lezzay [2024-03-11 20:56:48] DogeCoin X : :doge: XRP’:Doge: [2024-03-11 20:57:05] doublecheese : 15m chart looks bearish.... [2024-03-11 20:57:34] laPanini : it does? because of a series of higher highs? [2024-03-11 20:58:25] laPanini : looks more like slow crawl up while resetting indicators for bots to me. [2024-03-11 20:58:32] bluemaster : all this 20000+ shitcoins leach on bitcoin [2024-03-11 20:59:15] doublecheese : laPanini: lol likely yeah [2024-03-11 20:59:47] laPanini : doublecheese: just curious what made you think it looked bearish sir, usually there is a reasoning behind such a statement. [2024-03-11 21:00:13] doublecheese : Cannot believe to see my alts pamping... Finally. They will be all converted to bitcoin eventually lol [2024-03-11 21:00:40] doublecheese : laPanini: just a lower high on 15m and broke of the support upward [2024-03-11 21:00:50] laPanini : doublecheese: follow the btc pair in order to spot the best point of converting them to btc. [2024-03-11 21:00:59] doublecheese : I mean trendline [2024-03-11 21:01:01] laPanini : doublecheese: i see no lower high on 15 minutes. [2024-03-11 21:02:03] doublecheese : laPanini: good advice [2024-03-11 21:02:47] laPanini : doublecheese: https://www.tradingview.com/x/TcOJLaXI/ [2024-03-11 21:03:04] laPanini : I really dont see that lower high and break of trendline sir. [2024-03-11 21:03:53] laPanini : if anything it validated the trendline with the third touch. [2024-03-11 21:04:16] doublecheese : laPanini: last 3 candles MAY be a lower high [2024-03-11 21:04:25] laPanini : yes, i include wicks in my lines, because otherwise it would be like pretending price never went there. [2024-03-11 21:04:57] laPanini : doublecheese: no, they are higher, they may not be a lower high, you see it clearly in my picture. [2024-03-11 21:05:33] laPanini : i even marked them with cicles to make them easy to see. [2024-03-11 21:06:13] doublecheese : laPanini: maybe you are talking lower low? I mean we're not making higher highs so we had a lower high [2024-03-11 21:06:32] laPanini : I also see a hidden bullish divergence as well on 15 minute on the rsi. [2024-03-11 21:06:42] laPanini : doublecheese: sorry dude. [2024-03-11 21:06:51] doublecheese : laPanini: but yes until we get a lower low can't say it's bearish at all [2024-03-11 21:06:52] laPanini : lol me. of course im talking higher lows. ;-) [2024-03-11 21:07:02] laPanini : my mistake, i eat my own bread. [2024-03-11 21:07:16] laPanini : but no lower highs either though. [2024-03-11 21:07:21] laPanini : yet. [2024-03-11 21:07:48] laPanini : swing must complete for the possible lower high to validate. [2024-03-11 21:08:58] doublecheese : laPanini: I see :) thank you for explanation. I tend to jump to conclusions too early [2024-03-11 21:09:16] doublecheese : laPanini: also on such low tf there's much noise [2024-03-11 21:09:33] laPanini : doublecheese: since we are in an uptrend, for me, not for everyone, higher lows is more important than higher highs. [2024-03-11 21:12:00] bluemaster : Time for me to pull out some bitcoins to cold storage just in case . [2024-03-11 21:12:04] doublecheese : I'm very happy today anyways, finally my alt portfolio beat btc. Hope won't all be destroyed tomorrow lol [2024-03-11 21:12:07] bluemaster : /rpnl xbth24 ``` :bitmex: XBTH24: 1.0897 XBT RPNL ``` [2024-03-11 21:12:10] bluemaster : /rpnl xbtm24 ``` :bitmex: XBTM24: 2.0535 XBT RPNL ``` [2024-03-11 21:12:14] bluemaster : /rpnl xbteur ``` :bitmex: XBTEUR: 3.4955 XBT RPNL ``` [2024-03-11 21:13:01] doublecheese : bluemaster: I want to setup cold storage too man, but worried I can't sell if I put it there. So what's the point if I cannot take profits? Lol. For good term is the best strategy though [2024-03-11 21:14:08] doublecheese : Long term* [2024-03-11 21:14:10] MrBritcoin : bluemaster: 😏 wizest move that [2024-03-11 21:15:33] MrBritcoin : you cant go wrong relly can you its yours if its in the cold storage [2024-03-11 21:16:38] MrBritcoin : best not leave it on an exchange being things dont look to rosey an you dont wamt another mtgox game on your hands [2024-03-11 21:17:49] MrBritcoin : its been so much faked pumped its really focked now [2024-03-11 21:18:07] doublecheese : MrBritcoin: but you cannot take profits in cold storage and sooner or later you must use an exchange to take profits. Really hard for me to grasp this logic. You always have to take that risk, even if not for long. [2024-03-11 21:18:49] MrBritcoin : like propper focked [2024-03-11 21:18:55] fiyah : Yes but the risk is also a factor of time [2024-03-11 21:19:25] BTCcheers : fuhkeen vol bar on 5min hit that fhukeeen thanggg long [2024-03-11 21:19:30] doublecheese : fiyah: yeah I understand that [2024-03-11 21:19:54] BTCcheers : btc https://www.tradingview.com/x/Lo9j2Vzd/ [2024-03-11 21:19:59] fiyah : The biggest risk about cashing out your btc is the bank fucking you over [2024-03-11 21:20:09] doublecheese : fiyah: the less you stay on exchange the lesser the risk [2024-03-11 21:20:12] BTCcheers : 5min pampin gfy bear candle up their arzez yup [2024-03-11 21:20:15] BTCcheers : choicez [2024-03-11 21:20:16] fiyah : Either by debanking you or frezzing your transfer [2024-03-11 21:20:35] BTCcheers : fiyah: run it btc [2024-03-11 21:20:43] doublecheese : fiyah: yeah banks can definitely do that. Depending on the amount I will call them before even sending the money [2024-03-11 21:20:45] BTCcheers : or i willl [2024-03-11 21:20:48] MrBritcoin : fiyah: hes not on about cashing out just holding real btc in a wallet off line [2024-03-11 21:21:00] doublecheese : fiyah: an easier alternative is a crypto debit card. [2024-03-11 21:21:01] BTCcheers : ya iæve inflated btc ego [2024-03-11 21:21:58] fiyah : I mean, he talked about taking profits, so to me, that is in some form cashing out, don't want to leave cash on a exchange [2024-03-11 21:22:11] fiyah : but sure [2024-03-11 21:22:38] MrBritcoin : fiyah: blue is a squirrel he just hodels it [2024-03-11 21:22:54] fiyah : Hardware wallet offline is safest, provided your not an idiot with your seed [2024-03-11 21:23:03] doublecheese : fiyah: yeah cashing out at least a portion is something I may want to do [2024-03-11 21:23:31] MrBritcoin : fiyah: ledger m8 best way [2024-03-11 21:23:53] fiyah : indeed, thats what I use [2024-03-11 21:23:54] doublecheese : fiyah: yes I was considering that, but the timeframe for holding there must be 10 years at least. No point otherwise [2024-03-11 21:24:42] MrBritcoin : iv not used mine in years just send mining farm funds there [2024-03-11 21:24:45] doublecheese : fiyah: @MrBritcoin what if ledger fails? Not an easy task to reconstruct your private keys from the seed securely [2024-03-11 21:25:01] MrBritcoin : i dont even know whats there in truth [2024-03-11 21:25:49] MrBritcoin : last scam of the run [2024-03-11 21:28:20] fiyah : @doublecheese if ledger fails you can get a new one and reconstuct seed [2024-03-11 21:28:37] fiyah : its easy, ive done it indriectly by forgettting my pin [2024-03-11 21:28:42] doublecheese : fiyah: I mean if the company fails lol [2024-03-11 21:29:07] MrBritcoin : fiyah: i got the ltd edition one 10 yers of btc [2024-03-11 21:29:51] laPanini : doublecheese: then you buy an other brand and enter the seed there. [2024-03-11 21:29:59] ELMACO : doublecheese: your seed is your Key not The ledger, you can just use The seed in another wallet [2024-03-11 21:30:00] MrBritcoin : hence why i dont use it much i just set it up an send profits from farm there [2024-03-11 21:31:11] doublecheese : laPanini: @ELMACO oh ok, easier than I thought then lol [2024-03-11 21:31:15] Werner : King LTC 🚀🚀🚀 [2024-03-11 21:31:20] fiyah : Seeds are mostly cross compatable, [2024-03-11 21:31:24] laPanini : doublecheese: BIP39 standard sir. [2024-03-11 21:31:42] ELMACO : doublecheese: you can just import seed into exodus fir example or buy a trezor and import [2024-03-11 21:31:59] doublecheese : Werner: LTC premium coin sir! Our patience has been rewarded! My best coin in portfolio today [2024-03-11 21:32:37] doublecheese : ELMACO: do they support same standard and will be able to retrieve all the wallets generated from the seed tho? [2024-03-11 21:33:28] Werner : doublecheese: 🚀🚀🚀 [2024-03-11 21:33:31] ELMACO : doublecheese: yes If the wallet use bip39 and support a coin you have [2024-03-11 21:33:33] Werner : Up only sir [2024-03-11 21:33:37] Werner : Only up sir [2024-03-11 21:33:41] Werner : 🚀🚀🚀 [2024-03-11 21:34:36] doublecheese : ELMACO: nice thank you. Will def think about that [2024-03-11 21:35:06] ELMACO : doublecheese: your welcome [2024-03-11 21:35:09] doublecheese : ELMACO: locking in some profits in cold wallet could be a decent idea [2024-03-11 21:36:13] ELMACO : doublecheese: yeah, I love coldwallets, you put in your coin you continue with life and after some years comeback and check what has happend [2024-03-11 21:36:25] BTCcheers : https://www.tradingview.com/x/uz1WPjpl/ bully bully btc longeet or yur doomed [2024-03-11 21:36:28] BTCcheers : im tellin ya [2024-03-11 21:37:01] BTCcheers : maybe the zoolinez will scare u if not yur maker [2024-03-11 21:37:02] DogeCoin X : Werner: :Doge: XRP :Doge: [2024-03-11 21:37:14] BTCcheers : btc zooplinez for bearz [2024-03-11 21:38:01] Bobby Axelrod. : . [2024-03-11 21:38:07] BTCcheers : btc halted*check vol..asia tues am..must be halted for newz [2024-03-11 21:38:22] BTCcheers : pending quiet period admin bmex tokens too hmm [2024-03-11 21:38:44] doublecheese : ELMACO: that's like a savings account, I may like that