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[2024-02-05 00:26:11] Atlemos : fiyah: Im betting for little under your green square
[2024-02-05 00:26:21] migozelaaa : MrBritcoin: rekt
[2024-02-05 00:27:14] MrBritcoin : migozelaaa: please refrain from being mr salty
[2024-02-05 00:27:17] Atlemos : migozela rekting mister britcoins 1x 😲
[2024-02-05 00:29:24] MrBritcoin : migozelaaa: he couldn’t Rekt a car let alone me he will be waving a white flag soon enough
[2024-02-05 00:30:18] Atlemos : MrBritcoin: 😆👌
[2024-02-05 00:30:59] MrBritcoin : lol 😜
[2024-02-05 00:32:56] MrBritcoin : Amazing really how you try to take folk’s to water an they spit it at you instead of drinking it
[2024-02-05 00:33:43] migozelaaa : Atlemos: Show me your position
[2024-02-05 00:33:59] migozelaaa : MrBritcoin: show me your position *
[2024-02-05 00:33:59] thesecretsimplykj : symphaty fades once cockiness takes over I read somewhere
[2024-02-05 00:34:48] MrBritcoin : /position xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: -188,300 USD @ 42798.5089 ```
[2024-02-05 00:35:02] Atlemos : migozelaaa: arthur pockets. Will run the rest at blockchain until 35k
[2024-02-05 00:35:44] MrBritcoin : migozelaaa: happy now sir
[2024-02-05 00:36:10] migozelaaa : MrBritcoin: thanks bro
[2024-02-05 00:36:16] migozelaaa : Maybe 31k
[2024-02-05 00:36:23] migozelaaa : Maybe 80k
[2024-02-05 00:36:30] AreYouReallyTheBest : MrBritcoin: target 32k ? ;)
[2024-02-05 00:36:40] AreYouReallyTheBest : /position xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: -50,000 USD @ 42888 ```
[2024-02-05 00:37:20] MrBritcoin : 39k I’m out
[2024-02-05 00:37:38] BlissRP : 35k better
[2024-02-05 00:38:21] fcarvas : 30k is coming boys
[2024-02-05 00:39:19] MrBritcoin : I just would like a tickle for now make me smile 😃 I’m having a week or two off
[2024-02-05 00:39:36] AreYouReallyTheBest : fcarvas: 21K start bullrun
[2024-02-05 00:40:00] tonymck : /position xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: -60,000 USD @ 42882.75 ```
[2024-02-05 00:40:31] AreYouReallyTheBest : good entry
[2024-02-05 00:40:40] fcarvas : AreYouReallyTheBest: Could wick to 25k with all the liquidations that will come. 21k i don't think so
[2024-02-05 00:41:02] migozelaaa : 31k maybe 27k
[2024-02-05 00:41:06] tonymck : AreYouReallyTheBest: you too :p.
[2024-02-05 00:41:27] tonymck : /position linkusd ``` :bitmex: LINKUSD: -2,500 Cont @ 18.169 ```
[2024-02-05 00:43:09] AreYouReallyTheBest : fcarvas: GAP CME 21110 We'll never come back so low after that
[2024-02-05 00:44:05] AreYouReallyTheBest : tonymck: Good luck for profit man ;)
[2024-02-05 00:45:21] AreYouReallyTheBest : tonymck: 5,25 $
[2024-02-05 00:45:29] BlissRP : who bought? who is the dampit target
[2024-02-05 00:45:31] Joeyy132 : Keep shorting so the people in control can fill their longs
[2024-02-05 00:45:33] Joeyy132 : ………
[2024-02-05 00:45:42] Joeyy132 : Keep doing it
[2024-02-05 00:46:25] BlissRP : dont look a gift horse in the mouth sir @Joeyy132
[2024-02-05 00:46:46] Joeyy132 : Can’t even break yesterdays low
[2024-02-05 00:46:57] Joeyy132 : on the open which should have had the momentum
[2024-02-05 00:47:07] Joeyy132 : bears are kicked hard this week
[2024-02-05 00:47:16] BlissRP : kick me daddy
[2024-02-05 00:47:18] BlissRP : kick me to 35k
[2024-02-05 00:47:19] Joeyy132 : Totally rekt
[2024-02-05 00:47:28] Joeyy132 : 44k in 12 hours
[2024-02-05 00:47:39] BlissRP : Joeyy132: guaranteed!
[2024-02-05 00:47:59] Joeyy132 : I won’t guarantee that timing lol
[2024-02-05 00:48:16] Joeyy132 : but the price is guaranteed some point the next 3 days
[2024-02-05 00:48:32] Joeyy132 : Probably Monday or Wednesday
[2024-02-05 00:49:42] Joeyy132 : I hope it dumps more so I can make more on the planned long
[2024-02-05 00:50:21] Joeyy132 : 4.14 would be amazing but I’ll enter 41.8 if we lucky enough to get it
[2024-02-05 00:50:21] BlissRP : amen to that
[2024-02-05 00:51:42] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTG24`: Sell 300 USD @ 42381 - 😂
[2024-02-05 00:51:49] Joeyy132 : Bmex token does nothing but crash
[2024-02-05 00:51:55] Joeyy132 : funny shit
[2024-02-05 00:52:24] Joeyy132 : There is no market maker for this trash token
[2024-02-05 00:52:52] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSDT`: Sell 0.1360 XBT @ 42362 ($5,758.96)
[2024-02-05 00:53:17] Joeyy132 : Husky is long gone
[2024-02-05 00:53:38] Joeyy132 : Another sign we will pump
[2024-02-05 00:53:46] Joeyy132 : they have no funds to scam from him
[2024-02-05 00:54:01] Joeyy132 : no point to needle down really
[2024-02-05 00:54:08] Joeyy132 : Gn suckas
[2024-02-05 00:54:22] Joeyy132 : see u in 12 hrs when the real fun starts
[2024-02-05 00:55:00] Joeyy132 : Within 12 hrs we bottom if not already
[2024-02-05 00:56:04] BlissRP : if i was as confident as joey i'd have 7 wives
[2024-02-05 00:56:30] Joeyy132 : Lol
[2024-02-05 00:56:43] Joeyy132 : i have never been married only 1 relationship
[2024-02-05 00:56:53] Joeyy132 : goodnight lads
[2024-02-05 00:56:58] BlissRP : cya m8
[2024-02-05 01:01:47] NOOM : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2GhFXjQujI
[2024-02-05 01:07:19] NOOM : 🎺
[2024-02-05 01:08:33] Bot42 : when rug pull sirs
[2024-02-05 01:08:42] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 USD @ 42303.5 - 🐳
[2024-02-05 01:08:42] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `AXSUSD`: Sell 300 Cont @ 6.9 ($87.57)
[2024-02-05 01:10:12] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `EOSUSD`: Sell 1700 Cont @ 0.6894 ($4,954.34) - Bullrun cancelled?
[2024-02-05 01:12:42] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `DOGEUSD`: Sell 100 Cont @ 0.07743 ($327.46)
[2024-02-05 01:12:49] Bot42 : Ronnie is eating :doge:
[2024-02-05 01:12:52] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XRPUSD`: Sell 1600 Cont @ 0.4977 ($6,734.21) - For financial freedom!
[2024-02-05 01:12:52] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `BLURUSD`: Sell 370 Cont @ 0.5609 ($877.61)
[2024-02-05 01:12:52] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XRPUSDT`: Sell 10 XRP @ 0.4978 ($4.98)
[2024-02-05 01:13:55] Dr.LongBear : Mesa like dis
[2024-02-05 01:13:57] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 7000 USD @ 42254
[2024-02-05 01:13:57] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `SOLUSDT`: Sell 1400 SOL @ 94.24 ($131,873.00) - No refunds :arthur:
[2024-02-05 01:14:01] BlissRP : heeeeeeeeeeere's ronnie!
[2024-02-05 01:14:14] BlissRP : redrum redrum
[2024-02-05 01:16:08] Dr.LongBear : http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3rjxt0
[2024-02-05 01:31:17] BTCcheers : btfd btc lezgoo
[2024-02-05 01:32:45] Bot42 : BTCcheers: what if you could buy the dip at 38500 again
[2024-02-05 01:32:47] Bot42 : sir
[2024-02-05 02:07:53] BTCcheers : https://www.tradingview.com/x/ZZftmmjY/ 5min bully dip headed up for tunnel pnetration lezgoo
[2024-02-05 02:25:31] BlissRP : first step is denial
[2024-02-05 02:34:19] migozelaaa : When short
[2024-02-05 02:35:16] bmagic : 42300 support needs to hold
[2024-02-05 02:35:29] BAM Trading : BlissRP: lol
[2024-02-05 02:36:14] bmagic : ETH is bullish
[2024-02-05 02:36:25] bmagic : BTC just might go sideways
[2024-02-05 02:47:53] bmagic : guys we're in for a disgusting bull rally on ETH
[2024-02-05 02:48:00] bmagic : trapping in short sellers
[2024-02-05 02:53:47] RippleX : bmagic: :doge:
[2024-02-05 02:54:37] bmagic : :doge:
[2024-02-05 02:59:18] BTCcheers : well i guess my mute werks in tb..bot..i wasnt logged on in tb..i bought every dip 150 up to 19.6 to 3.3 to north of 19.6 to 3.7 backup i prolly bought 68k and 13k dip im long 100x alwayz..maybe hard to believe..
[2024-02-05 02:59:18] BTCcheers : imay look for the mute/unmute thing here..you appear predominant last few periods of an amount of time
[2024-02-05 02:59:31] BTCcheers : i got good tb posters
[2024-02-05 02:59:38] BTCcheers : its nice in tb
[2024-02-05 02:59:55] BTCcheers : shootfirst ask later..im a hunter..we miss too
[2024-02-05 03:00:12] BTCcheers : 1250 usd up
[2024-02-05 03:00:48] BTCcheers : i wasnt in with the drugz n silkroad and clandestine schitt..i have a name to uphold
[2024-02-05 03:00:51] BTCcheers : *
[2024-02-05 03:01:34] BTCcheers : 1250 not 250
[2024-02-05 03:01:43] BTCcheers : umm my tuna was 500 pound not 50.0
[2024-02-05 03:02:21] BTCcheers : youd be pissed too waiting so long for btc hsacking peepz iz fun
[2024-02-05 03:02:34] BTCcheers : anyhow quiet tb..i like it/bye
[2024-02-05 03:03:15] BTCcheers : i have plans..ive had a lotta time to think while trading
[2024-02-05 03:03:34] BTCcheers : pumpeet btc
[2024-02-05 03:04:07] BTCcheers : we dont know each other tb iz no kyt know yur troll
[2024-02-05 03:06:05] BTCcheers : 3rd approach up to horizontal 1250 usd per btc i hit it cold storage..umm..hmmya becuzz gold was the same/psychologically accepted by the peepz
[2024-02-05 03:06:27] BTCcheers : 1 milly yen was a consideration too..wherever that was..
[2024-02-05 03:06:49] BTCcheers : gold 1250 an ounce btc 1250 a korn
[2024-02-05 03:07:06] BTCcheers : who runs the macheen?
[2024-02-05 03:10:10] BTCcheers : when i heard bitcoin bought airplane tickets and not just drugs i went for it..i flew a family of 5 around just paid for tickets with btc was my plan she ran..lol when i bought
[2024-02-05 03:10:40] BTCcheers : i think btc is gonna run again
[2024-02-05 03:10:53] BTCcheers : thats why i invest time and monee into it
[2024-02-05 03:11:09] BTCcheers : easier than running businesses
[2024-02-05 03:11:24] BTCcheers : wish i were younger
[2024-02-05 03:11:53] BTCcheers : i dont care about loserz they're my gainz or my viktimz
[2024-02-05 03:12:01] BTCcheers : its business
[2024-02-05 03:15:15] BTCcheers : Cardi B - Washpoppin btc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-39SFNDiOCY&list=RD-39SFNDiOCY&start_radio=1
[2024-02-05 03:16:22] BTCcheers : we used to buy data disks for scanning charts..now thats funny omega supercharts prolly 14.4 0r 28.8 modem/dial up
[2024-02-05 03:16:54] BTCcheers : newpaper stock buying and selling i shudda been a broker back then
[2024-02-05 03:17:30] BTCcheers : we were 47777?and 49.1k as of late bearz?
[2024-02-05 03:18:05] bmagic : liquidation engine enabled
[2024-02-05 03:27:52] BTCcheers : 30min bully btfd btc https://www.tradingview.com/x/IFg2VtKs/
[2024-02-05 03:28:48] "it will be........" : .
[2024-02-05 03:29:52] BTCcheers : you need to buy btc before you can sell btc
[2024-02-05 03:30:19] BTCcheers : nuthinz free punkz
[2024-02-05 03:32:56] BTCcheers : btc im ytryin to teach my kid french are worse than amerikanz
[2024-02-05 03:33:22] BTCcheers : nobody wantz to hate anymore
[2024-02-05 03:43:58] migozelaaa : something big is about to happen
[2024-02-05 03:44:18] BlissRP : if i had a satoshi for every time i heard that
[2024-02-05 03:45:00] bluemaster : /position xbtg24 ``` :bitmex: XBTG24: 8,000 USD @ 42448.245 ```
[2024-02-05 03:45:04] bluemaster : /position xbth24 ``` :bitmex: XBTH24: 158,900 USD @ 43400.8941 ```
[2024-02-05 03:45:09] bluemaster : /position xbtm24 ``` :bitmex: XBTM24: 158,900 USD @ 44327.813 ```
[2024-02-05 03:45:14] bluemaster : /position xbteur ``` :bitmex: XBTEUR: 200,000 EUR @ 29409.3428 ```
[2024-02-05 03:45:24] bluemaster : go get me beras 😜
[2024-02-05 03:45:56] bluemaster : tick tock https://buybitcoinworldwide.com/halving/
[2024-02-05 03:59:24] migozelaaa : /pnl xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: -0.0009 XBT RPNL, 0.0052 XBT UPNL ```
[2024-02-05 04:05:22] bluemaster : /rpnl xbth24 ``` :bitmex: XBTH24: 0.1412 XBT RPNL ```
[2024-02-05 04:05:25] bluemaster : /rpnl xbtm24 ``` :bitmex: XBTM24: 0.1056 XBT RPNL ```
[2024-02-05 04:05:29] bluemaster : /rpnl xbteur ``` :bitmex: XBTEUR: 2.2320 XBT RPNL ```
[2024-02-05 04:05:36] bluemaster : keep scalping wankers
[2024-02-05 04:22:50] BTCcheers : pampeeet btc lezgooo
[2024-02-05 04:24:04] migozelaaa : /rpnl xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: -0.0010 XBT RPNL ```
[2024-02-05 04:28:15] MrBritcoin : /rpnl xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: 0.0391 XBT RPNL ```
[2024-02-05 04:30:33] MrBritcoin : https://youtu.be/vYAJ0paiGD8?si=KziNbe6tVflrbjC-
[2024-02-05 04:31:07] migozelaaa : Above 44k today
[2024-02-05 04:31:29] MrBritcoin : migozelaaa: to
[2024-02-05 04:32:45] migozelaaa : migozelaaa: no?
[2024-02-05 04:33:18] migozelaaa : MrBritcoin: no?
[2024-02-05 04:33:35] MrBritcoin : https://www.tradingview.com/x/bGJjnOdn/
[2024-02-05 04:33:51] migozelaaa : 47k this week
[2024-02-05 04:35:21] MrBritcoin : 44k 39k
[2024-02-05 04:38:52] migozelaaa : If we win 44k the next one will be 47k I promise you
[2024-02-05 04:40:08] MrBritcoin : migozelaaa: no understand bots
[2024-02-05 04:41:00] Werner : Bot42: beras are fooked
[2024-02-05 04:41:07] Werner : Its printinting
[2024-02-05 04:41:12] Werner : ptitoninitining
[2024-02-05 04:41:20] Werner : the head and shoulder of max send
[2024-02-05 04:41:25] Werner : 🚀🚀🚀
[2024-02-05 04:41:51] MrBritcoin : migozelaaa: werner is a signal bid pamp huge damp
[2024-02-05 04:43:20] migozelaaa : MrBritcoin: lol good luck
[2024-02-05 04:43:39] MrBritcoin : /position xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: 50,000 USD @ 42637.3776 ```
[2024-02-05 04:44:12] BlissRP : bullas will buy the pump as usual
[2024-02-05 04:44:13] migozelaaa : MrBritcoin: ooohh smart
[2024-02-05 04:44:23] migozelaaa : /position xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: 50,000 USD @ 42498.9375 ```
[2024-02-05 04:45:24] MrBritcoin : looks like we just bought bluemasters sell lol
[2024-02-05 04:47:04] BlissRP : always reverse trollbox
[2024-02-05 04:47:07] migozelaaa : Lol
[2024-02-05 04:48:07] MrBritcoin : 3 bar play on the hour it looks like so as long as this hour holds we moon
[2024-02-05 04:49:55] BlissRP : MrBritcoin: provide evidence lol
[2024-02-05 04:49:58] BlissRP : just kidding
[2024-02-05 04:50:57] MrBritcoin : BlissRP: i have above in chat
[2024-02-05 04:51:06] MrBritcoin : lol
[2024-02-05 04:51:49] BlissRP : ah yes the typical monday pattern
[2024-02-05 04:51:50] BlissRP : i like that
[2024-02-05 04:51:51] MrBritcoin : BlissRP: i didnt want to debate him lol easy way to stop that
[2024-02-05 04:53:32] BlissRP : pretend bulla for a few hours. the trojan horse
[2024-02-05 04:54:04] MrBritcoin : market only does two things m8
[2024-02-05 04:54:56] MrBritcoin : https://youtu.be/1ZxGtvpp49M?si=Fj8tAxvPxsjoyfq0
[2024-02-05 04:55:21] BlissRP : 💦
[2024-02-05 04:55:43] MrBritcoin : BlissRP: i would of came in sooner but i just cashed out 2 grand an payed bills with itso
[2024-02-05 04:55:59] BlissRP : well done ser
[2024-02-05 04:59:21] MrBritcoin : yea i had my eye on a remapped ecu for my motorbike with speed limiter's removed an rev limiters taken out an an fuel an timing tuned puts another 5hp on the bike work hard play harder
[2024-02-05 05:00:14] MrBritcoin : to the moon
[2024-02-05 05:12:11] MrBritcoin : brake an test lets go
[2024-02-05 05:12:17] MrBritcoin : bulla
[2024-02-05 05:12:25] MrBritcoin : /position xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: 120,300 USD @ 42632.8333 ```
[2024-02-05 05:13:46] NOOM : 😬
[2024-02-05 05:14:38] MrBritcoin : NOOM: https://prnt.sc/uAA43S4E6XJt pew pew
[2024-02-05 05:14:55] NOOM : MrBritcoin: 😆
[2024-02-05 05:15:39] MrBritcoin : fill the gap lets go
[2024-02-05 05:15:45] NOOM : MrBritcoin: keep finger on button
[2024-02-05 05:16:24] MrBritcoin : only my buy button working sir
[2024-02-05 05:17:11] MrBritcoin : frog legs
[2024-02-05 05:17:17] NOOM : MrBritcoin: tragedy
[2024-02-05 05:17:20] MrBritcoin : :pepe:
[2024-02-05 05:17:50] NOOM : :me:
[2024-02-05 05:19:43] MrBritcoin : NOOM: https://youtu.be/vYAJ0paiGD8?si=Yf_XBfvcLdCJPAkb
[2024-02-05 05:21:36] MrBritcoin : banging on a big screen in the dark that one
[2024-02-05 05:21:57] MrBritcoin : even better when it pumps to
[2024-02-05 05:27:34] laPanini : number go down sirs
[2024-02-05 05:33:08] MrBritcoin : laPanini: you need to go see a watch maker sir your clock work bounce is delayd some times now sir
[2024-02-05 05:34:51] MrBritcoin : i send mine to him
[2024-02-05 05:34:56] MrBritcoin : https://youtu.be/Ltl0Kt3PYVE?si=V_VsOyH66Qpn3Aox
[2024-02-05 05:55:05] RippleX : :doge:
[2024-02-05 06:10:52] laPanini : MrBritcoin: clockwork is starting to do it's thing sir, 45k is on the books again.
[2024-02-05 06:18:55] NOOM : 42.8k rejection not good
[2024-02-05 06:19:28] NOOM : 😁
[2024-02-05 06:20:40] Bot42 : NOOM: https://youtu.be/e_hYpmkl2Ew?si=bKQ2xOyOoAR0U9L8 :catjam:
[2024-02-05 06:35:13] Bot42 : https://youtu.be/neOJdj1jVPc?si=WCYeYBthAq2cy1sZ rrrmm rn sayinn
[2024-02-05 06:42:12] Bot42 : https://youtu.be/LesJAjQf0-g?si=ZHH2Pyf4D9kIugIg :doge:
[2024-02-05 06:55:04] Joeyy132 : ….
[2024-02-05 06:55:11] Joeyy132 : …………
[2024-02-05 06:55:28] Joeyy132 : MrBritcoin: fk yes
[2024-02-05 06:56:26] Bot42 : https://youtu.be/zca-9XBiL-M?si=tiXHuWSzcOnKff_v :catjam:
[2024-02-05 06:58:26] VEGETA-WP : we will hold 42k
[2024-02-05 06:58:31] VEGETA-WP : we will be fine
[2024-02-05 06:58:36] VEGETA-WP : bears gonna get rekt
[2024-02-05 06:58:49] Bot42 : dump incoming
[2024-02-05 06:58:51] Bot42 : pump tomorrow
[2024-02-05 06:59:04] VEGETA-WP : dump in your pants?
[2024-02-05 07:00:31] Senior. Professor. : @BitMEX_Hans Hope you had a great weekend, ser. :doge: :catjam:
[2024-02-05 07:00:57] laPanini : https://www.tradingview.com/x/hZKhgoXE/
[2024-02-05 07:01:22] BlissRP : doompa doompa bullas oompa loompa
[2024-02-05 07:02:35] BlissRP : laPanini: sound analysis arrow2strong
[2024-02-05 07:02:49] laPanini : BlissRP: very strong, very yellow sir.
[2024-02-05 07:04:02] Bot42 : 🍌 pattern start below 41k sir 🦍🧠
[2024-02-05 07:04:06] BitMEX_Hans : Senior. Professor.: good morning sir! I hope you had a great weekend as well! :catjam: :doge:
[2024-02-05 07:04:10] BlissRP : a wise man once said, "too soon junior:
[2024-02-05 07:04:21] BlissRP : "*
[2024-02-05 07:05:06] BlissRP : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-hHGY1MsBA
[2024-02-05 07:10:51] Bot42 : BlissRP: 😂
[2024-02-05 07:13:04] BlissRP : green means go why we no go
[2024-02-05 07:15:16] laPanini : i see color changes in names
[2024-02-05 07:15:35] BlissRP : i am inspiring top buying
[2024-02-05 07:15:58] BlissRP : dont tell me brit blew his load for a 500 rise
[2024-02-05 07:20:37] Werner : Bot42: Its time frens
[2024-02-05 07:20:39] Werner : 🚀🚀🚀
[2024-02-05 07:20:50] BlissRP : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgr3pvBr-I
[2024-02-05 07:20:55] BlissRP : hold the line
[2024-02-05 07:21:10] Bot42 : Werner: not yet sir, it will be tomorrow morning
[2024-02-05 07:21:21] BlissRP : Werner: you were wernered
[2024-02-05 07:21:34] Werner : Wernings were issued
[2024-02-05 07:21:39] Werner : you sirs were werned
[2024-02-05 07:21:52] Werner : All Shorts 🩳 were werned
[2024-02-05 07:22:00] Werner : All short will be rekt
[2024-02-05 07:22:04] Werner : multiple wernings
[2024-02-05 07:22:10] Werner : by multiple sources
[2024-02-05 07:22:16] Werner : you sirs were werned !
[2024-02-05 07:22:23] Werner : 🚀🚀🚀✈️✈️✈️🐍🐍🐍
[2024-02-05 07:22:29] Bot42 : wernings were issued but, wernings are also issued early
[2024-02-05 07:22:43] Bot42 : we go to 41k
[2024-02-05 07:22:54] BlissRP : from wernings to winnings, sers.
[2024-02-05 07:23:03] BlissRP : hold the line.
[2024-02-05 07:25:38] BlissRP : where is ronnie, is he ready for work?
[2024-02-05 07:28:27] NOOM : https://x.com/CedYoungelman/status/1754366023782797753?s=20
[2024-02-05 07:28:34] NOOM : du
[2024-02-05 07:30:57] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 10800 USD @ 42889
[2024-02-05 07:32:17] BlissRP : RonnieREKT: welcome back ser hehe
[2024-02-05 07:32:54] thesecretsimplykj : why dump green?
[2024-02-05 07:33:14] BlissRP : its simply guaranteed ser, joey told us
[2024-02-05 07:34:20] thesecretsimplykj : :arthur:
[2024-02-05 07:35:17] Bot42 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/x1c9hwy8/
[2024-02-05 07:36:14] Fuun : u still need to go deeper into each other, kids.
[2024-02-05 07:36:17] BlissRP : Bot42: we must buy here ser, its the retail way
[2024-02-05 07:36:32] Fuun : the rest is just useless show.
[2024-02-05 07:36:38] laPanini : retail is always right sir.
[2024-02-05 07:36:42] BlissRP : always!
[2024-02-05 07:36:51] laPanini : like clockwork it bounces, again and again :rocket:
[2024-02-05 07:36:55] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 900 USD @ 42947 - LOL
[2024-02-05 07:37:02] thesecretsimplykj : retail is waiting for lower :)
[2024-02-05 07:37:12] Fuun : young hansi and the kids gang.
[2024-02-05 07:37:16] Fuun : :joy:
[2024-02-05 07:37:22] thesecretsimplykj : because: lines
[2024-02-05 07:37:24] laPanini : Nah, retail is waiting to buy 47k sir.
[2024-02-05 07:37:39] Fuun : anyways, deeper into each other, kids.
[2024-02-05 07:37:41] laPanini : And they are waiting to sell 36k.
[2024-02-05 07:37:42] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 5000 USD @ 42999.5
[2024-02-05 07:37:54] BlissRP : orchestra a la ronnie
[2024-02-05 07:38:49] thesecretsimplykj : investors are buying under 43K since 2 months, against derivative pro shorts without any indication
[2024-02-05 07:39:16] BlissRP : thesecretsimplykj: its simple, ser. up only, forever. guaranteed.
[2024-02-05 07:39:17] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 34900 USD @ 43022 - Bye Bye butterfly!
[2024-02-05 07:40:32] thesecretsimplykj : BlissRP: open daily and watch what a smart money concept is: https://market-bulls.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/wyckoff-reaccumulation-schematic-pattern.webp
[2024-02-05 07:40:55] Fuun : just delete your accounts.
[2024-02-05 07:41:17] BlissRP : the wyckoff narrative lives on!
[2024-02-05 07:41:23] BlissRP : still in the creek are we?
[2024-02-05 07:41:40] thesecretsimplykj : we are jumping it this week
[2024-02-05 07:41:45] Fuun : the name changes bring nothing to the table, if u put the same kind of stupido behind it.
[2024-02-05 07:41:55] Fuun : so, deeper into each other, kids.
[2024-02-05 07:42:02] BlissRP : anti fun strikes again
[2024-02-05 07:42:07] Fuun : tell each other how bad u are. :joy:
[2024-02-05 07:42:19] BlissRP : thesecretsimplykj: target?
[2024-02-05 07:42:48] thesecretsimplykj : BlissRP: 20-30% from here at least, else a reaccumulation amkes no sense
[2024-02-05 07:42:56] BlissRP : 34-36 for me
[2024-02-05 07:43:26] thesecretsimplykj : you are not worried that btc has net buying topping selling since 1 month?
[2024-02-05 07:43:36] thesecretsimplykj : so the underlying asset (btc) is bought
[2024-02-05 07:43:48] thesecretsimplykj : demand > supply
[2024-02-05 07:43:52] BlissRP : never worried, ser
[2024-02-05 07:43:54] BlissRP : welcome volatility
[2024-02-05 07:44:15] hehe MOON : Silly bearas shorting the bottom again
[2024-02-05 07:44:17] thesecretsimplykj : I see :)
[2024-02-05 07:44:21] hehe MOON : :arthur:
[2024-02-05 07:44:28] hehe MOON : Never LERN
[2024-02-05 07:44:45] BlissRP : moon us ronnie
[2024-02-05 07:44:46] thesecretsimplykj : truly beatiful trading space we are in!
[2024-02-05 07:45:19] Crypto_Cowboy_1982 : but but
[2024-02-05 07:45:21] Crypto_Cowboy_1982 : 38k
[2024-02-05 07:45:46] BlissRP : path of maximum pain
[2024-02-05 07:45:49] BlissRP : liq the shorts
[2024-02-05 07:45:52] BlissRP : mega liq the bulls
[2024-02-05 07:46:00] BlissRP : and mega liq the shorts right after
[2024-02-05 07:47:02] laPanini : mega maximum everything on repeat sir.
[2024-02-05 07:47:12] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 16500 USD @ 43080.5
[2024-02-05 07:47:19] BlissRP : gigamegaultra ronnie
[2024-02-05 07:47:56] Crypto_Cowboy_1982 : such a strong start to the weekly
[2024-02-05 07:48:14] BlissRP : yes buy buy strong
[2024-02-05 07:48:42] thesecretsimplykj : only in crypto margin trading, people have zero clue about what they are doing and are confident about it, lovely
[2024-02-05 07:49:40] Doge X : :doge: :doge: :doge: :doge:
[2024-02-05 07:49:45] Doge X : :doge: :doge: :doge: :doge: :doge: :doge: :doge: :doge:
[2024-02-05 07:51:02] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 100 USD @ 43124.5 - LOL
[2024-02-05 07:51:15] BlissRP : massive liq
[2024-02-05 07:57:38] VEGETA-WP : told you guys, liquiate the bears
[2024-02-05 07:57:42] VEGETA-WP : liquidate
[2024-02-05 07:57:59] BlissRP : nooooo bullas what are you doing
[2024-02-05 07:58:06] BlissRP : we needed you!!!!!
[2024-02-05 07:58:57] RippleX : BlissRP: Deep breaths :doge: :doge: :doge: :doge:
[2024-02-05 07:59:18] BlissRP : RippleX: ser i was guaranteed a huge green dildo
[2024-02-05 08:00:08] RippleX : BlissRP: it’s coming
[2024-02-05 08:01:09] Joeyy132 : Bers
[2024-02-05 08:01:12] Joeyy132 : silly bers
[2024-02-05 08:01:15] Joeyy132 : suck ma p p
[2024-02-05 08:01:21] Joeyy132 : Don’t fuck with me
[2024-02-05 08:02:08] BlissRP : Joeyy132: just in time
[2024-02-05 08:02:09] Joeyy132 : I m in control of this market
[2024-02-05 08:02:18] Joeyy132 : I don’t fucking lie
[2024-02-05 08:02:49] Joeyy132 : Put some respec on ma fuckon name
[2024-02-05 08:04:41] thesecretsimplykj : BlissRP: sir are there other ways of trolling or just constant sarkasm, gets boring
[2024-02-05 08:05:31] Fuun : :joy:
[2024-02-05 08:05:55] BlissRP : thesecretsimplykj: so serious when we're right at peak fun, tisk tisk
[2024-02-05 08:05:56] Fuun : we just hurt u kids, u still have no new users to influence and build your characters back up.
[2024-02-05 08:06:03] Fuun : so, relax. :joy:
[2024-02-05 08:06:20] burro92 : There has been several consecutive 30btc buys in 1 minute... wow!
[2024-02-05 08:06:46] thesecretsimplykj : BlissRP: Am I? ;)
[2024-02-05 08:06:58] BlissRP : thesecretsimplykj: teach me the ways ser
[2024-02-05 08:07:11] al guul : send the damn corn 🚀
[2024-02-05 08:07:27] Joeyy132 : PAY ME AND ILL TEACH YOU
[2024-02-05 08:10:27] BlissRP : longer than your fathers trip to get the milk
[2024-02-05 08:11:34] BlissRP : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jw2DlxLUfU
[2024-02-05 08:14:25] bmagic : Who is TraderCobb?
[2024-02-05 08:15:40] RippleX : bmagic: he does Edition for bmex pro trader I gess
[2024-02-05 08:15:54] bmagic : Is he good?
[2024-02-05 08:16:06] RippleX : bmagic: idk I don’t follow him
[2024-02-05 08:16:12] bmagic : Actually I don't care.
[2024-02-05 08:16:21] BTCcheers : 30min bully
[2024-02-05 08:16:21] BTCcheers : https://www.tradingview.com/x/IFg2VtKs/ btfd btc lezgooo
[2024-02-05 08:16:31] RippleX : :doge:
[2024-02-05 08:16:33] bmagic : Just wondering since when does bitmex have trading education
[2024-02-05 08:16:40] bmagic : Its the ultimate casino
[2024-02-05 08:16:50] RippleX : bmagic: 😂
[2024-02-05 08:17:21] bmagic : Good for Trader Cobb though. Hope he is successful
[2024-02-05 08:17:49] RippleX : bmagic: :doge:
[2024-02-05 08:18:16] RippleX : bmagic: wen xrp moon
[2024-02-05 08:18:48] Colorful-Bnkrupt-Sis : ANyone else seeing slowness?
[2024-02-05 08:18:58] bmagic : /orders xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: Sell 500 USD @ 43289.5 ```
[2024-02-05 08:19:02] bmagic : lol
[2024-02-05 08:19:03] BlissRP : i am seeing up only
[2024-02-05 08:19:14] RippleX : BlissRP: 🚀🚀🚀🚀
[2024-02-05 08:19:15] Colorful-Bnkrupt-Sis : I can hardly see anything
[2024-02-05 08:19:23] Colorful-Bnkrupt-Sis : except "websocket disconnected"
[2024-02-05 08:19:31] BlissRP : Colorful-Bnkrupt-Sis: we will be your eyes, ser. trust the box.
[2024-02-05 08:19:36] RippleX : Volume is week
[2024-02-05 08:19:43] BitMEX_Hans : Colorful-Bnkrupt-Sis: checking
[2024-02-05 08:19:55] bmagic : RippleX: it won't take off yet. Just price rise
[2024-02-05 08:20:04] bmagic : It will take off soon though
[2024-02-05 08:20:10] RippleX : bmagic: kk l
[2024-02-05 08:20:15] bmagic : Especially ethereun
[2024-02-05 08:20:29] bmagic : Ethereum is going to melt faces this week
[2024-02-05 08:20:32] RippleX : BitMEX_Hans: :doge:🩷
[2024-02-05 08:20:56] BitMEX_Hans : RippleX: Hi Fren! :catjam: :doge:
[2024-02-05 08:54:07] al guul : BitMEX_Hans: gm Hans 😊
[2024-02-05 09:03:53] Dr.LongBear : RippleX: :doge:
[2024-02-05 09:05:32] VEGETA-WP : go llong from here
[2024-02-05 09:09:05] Dr.LongBear : VEGETA-WP: ok
[2024-02-05 09:09:07] Dr.LongBear : /position xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: 100 USD @ 16465 ```
[2024-02-05 09:09:09] Dr.LongBear : /pnl xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: -0.0001 XBT RPNL, 0.0037 XBT UPNL ```
[2024-02-05 09:16:47] RippleX : Dr.LongBear: :doge:
[2024-02-05 09:17:27] LickMyBulls : :doge:
[2024-02-05 09:17:47] Doge X : Dr.LongBear: :doge: :doge: :doge:
[2024-02-05 09:18:27] LickMyBulls : Top is in boiz short it x100 ez munnies
[2024-02-05 09:21:09] LickMyBulls : :arthur: :arthur: :arthur:
[2024-02-05 09:21:37] Dr.LongBear : anyone good in 3D rotation matrices here ?
[2024-02-05 09:22:37] BTCcheers : https://www.tradingview.com/x/8iE1cRVp/ btc bully 30min sum more white linez for the bully crew
[2024-02-05 09:23:02] BTCcheers : Joeyy132: i like u but i certainly dont respektbyou boss
[2024-02-05 09:23:59] LickMyBulls : We don't pamp or damp anymore. Just endless sideways gyration
[2024-02-05 09:25:28] Dr.LongBear : LickMyBulls: 42 final price
[2024-02-05 09:26:26] BTCcheers : G-Eazy - No Limit REMIX ft. A$AP Rocky, Cardi B, French Montana, Juicy J, Belly btc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_lblj8Cq0o&list=RD-39SFNDiOCY&index=3
[2024-02-05 09:27:20] Dr.LongBear : Mesa like dis https://www.destructoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/266058-jarjar.jpg
[2024-02-05 09:28:42] BTCcheers : wheresv47777 beeeeatch/btc
[2024-02-05 09:29:26] BTCcheers : https://www.tradingview.com/x/reW7ZGtp/ bully 30min btc lezgoo
[2024-02-05 09:34:19] BTCcheers : BHAD BHABIE feat. Kodak Black "Bestie" btc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfmLYKxJ0UA&list=RD-39SFNDiOCY&index=4
[2024-02-05 09:40:51] bluemaster : " scheduled dumps are getting tinier,"
[2024-02-05 09:41:21] bluemaster : /position xbtg24 ``` :bitmex: XBTG24: 8,000 USD @ 42448.245 ```
[2024-02-05 09:41:24] bluemaster : /position xbth24 ``` :bitmex: XBTH24: 158,900 USD @ 43400.8941 ```
[2024-02-05 09:41:27] bluemaster : /position xbtm24 ``` :bitmex: XBTM24: 158,900 USD @ 44327.813 ```
[2024-02-05 09:41:31] bluemaster : /position xbteur ``` :bitmex: XBTEUR: 200,000 EUR @ 29409.3428 ```
[2024-02-05 09:42:30] LickMyBulls : BTC = stable coin
[2024-02-05 09:44:04] hehe MOON : When 10k?
[2024-02-05 09:44:07] hehe MOON : StevenClown promised
[2024-02-05 09:45:40] VEGETA-WP : never going 10k again noob
[2024-02-05 09:46:45] BTCcheers : Cardi B - Bodak Yellow btc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEGccV-NOm8&list=RD-39SFNDiOCY&index=6
[2024-02-05 09:47:08] BTCcheers : VEGETA-WP: 13k prolly safe
[2024-02-05 09:47:23] BTCcheers : pampeeet
[2024-02-05 09:47:38] BTCcheers : i know whereb we are
[2024-02-05 09:54:57] MrBritcoin : /pnl xbtusd
[2024-02-05 09:55:18] MrBritcoin : /pnl xbtusd ``` :bitmex: XBTUSD: 0.0378 XBT RPNL, 0.0239 XBT UPNL ```
[2024-02-05 09:55:44] thesecretsimplykj : so you swaped, great ;)
[2024-02-05 09:56:09] Kazuya34 : 에고 영어방이네
[2024-02-05 09:57:58] Kruithofb : MrBritcoin: so finally switchen to long?
[2024-02-05 09:58:36] LickMyBulls : Game over. 43keks is the top. Exit all longs
[2024-02-05 09:58:43] thesecretsimplykj : lol
[2024-02-05 09:59:18] MrBritcoin : Kruithofb: https://youtu.be/un3NkWnHl9Q?si=5YDrxnQa9hoK2Uly
[2024-02-05 09:59:44] Kruithofb : Haha lol
[2024-02-05 10:02:01] MrBritcoin : day off day now just close all trades
[2024-02-05 10:02:19] big horse tip : mega send yolo 100x long
[2024-02-05 10:02:35] big horse tip : bear market cancelled
[2024-02-05 10:02:55] MrBritcoin : https://youtu.be/ix5Ntnavdgg?si=oTZPxBOMQYAik8oi
[2024-02-05 10:04:07] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated short on `ETHUSDT`: Buy 0.4300 ETH @ 2328.95 ($1,000.43)
[2024-02-05 10:04:15] thesecretsimplykj : why dump green?
[2024-02-05 10:04:43] Dr.LongBear : big horse tip: +1000
[2024-02-05 10:05:40] LickMyBulls : big horse tip: :doge:
[2024-02-05 10:05:53] RippleX : :doge:
[2024-02-05 10:06:12] LickMyBulls : I was promised 38keks minimum by MrREKTcoin
[2024-02-05 10:07:33] MrBritcoin : https://youtu.be/2FqVgaZCN74?si=BkYc_rqATtJnSxaw
[2024-02-05 10:08:09] RippleX : :doge:
[2024-02-05 10:08:49] LickMyBulls : :doge::doge:
[2024-02-05 10:15:28] DanielCoin : Short here for maximum pain
[2024-02-05 10:16:51] DanielCoin : https://www.tradingview.com/x/m98a4bXk/
[2024-02-05 10:17:06] LickMyBulls : DanielCoin: all short x100 for financial freedom just ask MrBitchcoin
[2024-02-05 10:17:48] DanielCoin : LickMyBulls: I did make some nice profit from my short yesterday though
[2024-02-05 10:18:01] MrBritcoin : https://youtu.be/HOdmibKmDTc?si=a5jl3hoK0sSwx3aL
[2024-02-05 10:20:14] jjhiijiji : im surprised all the technical astrologists in trollbox arent talking about the h&s pattern emerging
[2024-02-05 10:20:47] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated short on `XBTUSDT`: Buy 2.8170 XBT @ 43229.1 ($121,661.41) - No refunds :arthur:
[2024-02-05 10:20:57] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 200 USD @ 43201.5 - 🐳
[2024-02-05 10:21:02] Crypto_Cowboy_1982 : jjhiijiji: inverse on the daily back to 50k
[2024-02-05 10:21:08] Pappa : Hehe
[2024-02-05 10:21:14] MrBritcoin : jjhiijiji: wich one lol
[2024-02-05 10:21:26] RippleX : :doge:
[2024-02-05 10:21:56] NOOM : Pappa: pew pew
[2024-02-05 10:24:33] Pappa : NOOM: pew
[2024-02-05 10:24:41] Pappa : Reverse moon this week
[2024-02-05 10:24:42] Pappa : Noom
[2024-02-05 10:25:21] NOOM : waiting
[2024-02-05 10:25:49] jjhiijiji : Crypto_Cowboy_1982: ye
[2024-02-05 10:26:07] jjhiijiji : MrBritcoin: the one that takes u back up to 50k
[2024-02-05 10:26:13] thesecretsimplykj : :P
[2024-02-05 10:26:23] jjhiijiji : ofcourse i dont blieve in this astrology bs it could just go down
[2024-02-05 10:27:07] thesecretsimplykj : an asset wont go down if demand > supply though
[2024-02-05 10:28:14] thesecretsimplykj : and if this shows as a inverse h&s as chart pattern with the volume profile and one calls that astrology is irrelevant as soon as one gets the memo
[2024-02-05 10:28:20] jjhiijiji : for the non astrology peeps, fed easing starting later in the year+ combined with halving should be enough to convince most it should be a green year overall
[2024-02-05 10:29:08] MrBritcoin : jjhiijiji: anything is possible i gues its bitcoin after all does what it wants
[2024-02-05 10:29:08] thesecretsimplykj : exactly, fundamentally thats what happens. ETFs increased the demand > supply currently
[2024-02-05 10:29:11] jjhiijiji : im just not sure if they will dump on all our asses before the pump to liq all the small fish first
[2024-02-05 10:29:46] thesecretsimplykj : if we follow past pre bull market runs, we have a retrace at some point
[2024-02-05 10:30:11] thesecretsimplykj : past is not indicative as the last bullrun top showed a double top, which never happened before
[2024-02-05 10:30:15] bluemaster : thesecretsimplykj: sssh
[2024-02-05 10:30:35] thesecretsimplykj : bluemaster: why Im saying we probably wont get a retrace
[2024-02-05 10:30:37] NOOM : bears call it a halving for a diff reason
[2024-02-05 10:31:15] thesecretsimplykj : past year was healthy uptrend with multiple corrections, which also never happened as pre bull market runs (they were always steep, leading to the corrections before halving)
[2024-02-05 10:31:22] thesecretsimplykj : so i wont bet short here until its confirmed
[2024-02-05 10:31:33] LickMyBulls : Game over short with full penetrative force :arthur:
[2024-02-05 10:32:10] bluemaster : thesecretsimplykj: no one single limit orders hit for me on this dump ,they hit just small fish and liquidation
[2024-02-05 10:32:31] bluemaster : /position xbtg24 ``` :bitmex: XBTG24: 8,000 USD @ 42448.245 ```
[2024-02-05 10:32:34] bluemaster : /position xbth24 ``` :bitmex: XBTH24: 158,900 USD @ 43400.8941 ```
[2024-02-05 10:32:37] bluemaster : /position xbtm24 ``` :bitmex: XBTM24: 158,900 USD @ 44327.813 ```
[2024-02-05 10:32:37] thesecretsimplykj : to sum it, we entered institutional bitcoin era, with weekends being low, we shifted trading this asset from east to west
[2024-02-05 10:32:40] bluemaster : /position xbteur ``` :bitmex: XBTEUR: 200,000 EUR @ 29409.3428 ```
[2024-02-05 10:33:17] jjhiijiji : thesecretsimplykj: most people here dont understand the significance entering an easing / tightening cycle by the fed means for markets. they probablyt arent even aware of these things
[2024-02-05 10:33:18] bluemaster : thesecretsimplykj: yes , no more shifty Chinese bunker traders
[2024-02-05 10:33:33] thesecretsimplykj : bluemaster: exactly :)
[2024-02-05 10:34:05] thesecretsimplykj : jjhiijiji: thats the beatiful case about margin trading this asset, people have zero clue and still martingale to the tits
[2024-02-05 10:34:11] jjhiijiji : thesecretsimplykj: and now that ETF approved and for many institutions has legitimized crypto, the inflows will not all happen on day one. it will take time, but there will be more and more big smart money adding crypto to portfolios this year
[2024-02-05 10:34:16] bluemaster : anyone long now who keep liquidation under 39k is safe
[2024-02-05 10:34:26] thesecretsimplykj : ^
[2024-02-05 10:35:19] jjhiijiji : the only thing im afraid of is bog dumping on all our asses and liqing everyone before it moons later in the year
[2024-02-05 10:35:32] thesecretsimplykj : jjhiijiji: this halving miners already prepare to tripple the infrastructure
[2024-02-05 10:36:09] jjhiijiji : also fed easing doesnt really start till prolly q2 and rates wont have fallen enough untill either q4 or 2025 sometime so it might not happen as fast as we hope
[2024-02-05 10:36:19] LickMyBulls : :bog:
[2024-02-05 10:36:23] NOOM : thesecretsimplykj: need to see a more efficient miner
[2024-02-05 10:37:14] thesecretsimplykj : jjhiijiji: yeah it can happen, not ruling that out, but it has the protential to do a leg up here before maybe doing that. Thats actually max pain. because derivative traders are mostly short here and spot buying is king.
[2024-02-05 10:37:43] thesecretsimplykj : NOOM: true that, but one way or another they will tripple it :P
[2024-02-05 10:38:20] jjhiijiji : thesecretsimplykj: further up is inevitable at one point its just impossible to say exactly when or whether we go down first