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[2017-04-29 07:13:30] rugu : just lost 115% roe during this :(
[2017-04-29 07:13:35] mark121 : :(
[2017-04-29 07:13:44] mark121 : the problem is
[2017-04-29 07:13:53] mark121 : if ur holding profit for more profit basically
[2017-04-29 07:14:07] mark121 : it seems "wow i got so much avail funds"
[2017-04-29 07:14:34] mark121 : so u open some other trade, not because it sa good trade
[2017-04-29 07:14:39] rugu : i think if I hit over 80% roe, i will just cash out and not be greedy
[2017-04-29 07:15:05] atlanta : ETH taking a hit
[2017-04-29 07:15:24] mark121 : but because ur bored, greedy, emotional and most likely feel like ur here and trading so u shud trade
[2017-04-29 07:15:56] mark121 : u make bogus moves, that epxoentially increase ur risk
[2017-04-29 07:16:24] rugu : so when do you decide to cash out your trades
[2017-04-29 07:16:31] mdsmm : if you don't know what you're doing, just don't take high leverage. And you can always keep^the currency until it is i profit.. even if it takes a few days. Have a bit of patience. Just don't buy overbought coins, and sell in time. Unless you're a long term guy
[2017-04-29 07:16:45] mark121 : it may sound like im talking obviousness but ive in my life (and ive met prob thousands..)
[2017-04-29 07:17:18] rugu : my work can get very intense durng the day, so I cant monitor my positions well
[2017-04-29 07:17:34] mark121 : met at best , 1 person that actually didnt require these things that all good traders and lifelong traders whole dear to happen personally to him in order to understand the harsh reality behind advice u can find easily
[2017-04-29 07:18:07] atlanta : 9/10 people lose money on trading
[2017-04-29 07:18:09] mark121 : in others words, nearly every1 needs to walk the walk
[2017-04-29 07:18:24] mark121 : even if they can repeat the best rules or strategies from memory
[2017-04-29 07:18:38] mark121 : 90/90/90 rule
[2017-04-29 07:18:54] rugu : iv been neutral over 2 weeks now
[2017-04-29 07:19:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHM17`: sell 200 @ 0.05328
[2017-04-29 07:19:07] mark121 : 90% of traders will lose 90% of their trading money in the first 90 days
[2017-04-29 07:19:42] emcor : mark121: i lost 3k in my first trading time, then i made 18k after
[2017-04-29 07:19:52] mdsmm : haha, actually true. You start over confident wanting to live the millionaire live and then get fucked
[2017-04-29 07:20:02] mdsmm : Same @emcor hahaha, I lost 3.5k
[2017-04-29 07:20:10] mdsmm : now making money tho
[2017-04-29 07:20:13] rugu : or violently caressed depending on your lev
[2017-04-29 07:20:27] mark121 : i lost 75k my first year in equities
[2017-04-29 07:20:34] rugu : $?
[2017-04-29 07:20:35] mark121 : over 10 years ago
[2017-04-29 07:20:38] mdsmm : mark121: wow haha
[2017-04-29 07:20:51] atlanta : gg
[2017-04-29 07:21:17] mark121 : next year i made like 4% profit
[2017-04-29 07:21:22] mark121 : so net down still
[2017-04-29 07:21:38] mark121 : year after that i made 400k in 2 months (rest of year was around BE)
[2017-04-29 07:22:16] mark121 : so since then i never was negativ again
[2017-04-29 07:22:34] mdsmm : not bad
[2017-04-29 07:22:36] mark121 : now the issue with analysis like that
[2017-04-29 07:23:05] mark121 : i lost for variious reasons that bad year
[2017-04-29 07:23:19] mark121 : but the market conditions changed drastically form 1st to 3rd
[2017-04-29 07:23:32] rugu : like now im at 62% margin with 8.38x lev. Damn xrp drop !!
[2017-04-29 07:23:53] mdsmm : we might peak more on xrp
[2017-04-29 07:23:56] mdsmm : watch peak before
[2017-04-29 07:23:59] mdsmm : few weeks ago
[2017-04-29 07:24:09] rugu : ya hoping on that, I got a small sell at 0.00005
[2017-04-29 07:24:10] mark121 : i started that rally !
[2017-04-29 07:24:24] mark121 : few weeks ago
[2017-04-29 07:24:32] mark121 : (im 95% joking)
[2017-04-29 07:24:41] mark121 : but literally i made a 5btc buy on polo
[2017-04-29 07:24:41] rugu : so 60% margin at 7.6x not bad enough to start them trimming
[2017-04-29 07:24:44] mark121 : in the 600's
[2017-04-29 07:25:00] mdsmm : you still holding?
[2017-04-29 07:25:09] mark121 : in real coin yes
[2017-04-29 07:25:26] mdsmm : on what wallet are you holding it?
[2017-04-29 07:25:36] mark121 : i dont divuldge
[2017-04-29 07:25:37] mdsmm : was looking for it a week ago
[2017-04-29 07:25:52] mark121 : im very paranoid
[2017-04-29 07:25:56] mdsmm : just the company, not your ID haha
[2017-04-29 07:26:01] mark121 : as my friends and I got hit
[2017-04-29 07:26:06] mark121 : a while ago
[2017-04-29 07:26:22] mark121 : mostly my friend but we had to cover his losses
[2017-04-29 07:26:36] mdsmm : awtgch
[2017-04-29 07:27:07] mark121 : we did the math, ended up all getting a2nd ISP
[2017-04-29 07:27:21] mark121 : i dont trade value form this acct or ISP lol
[2017-04-29 07:27:57] mark121 : infact this acct started as a time killing acct we all chipped into when we had change (not full integers) when withdrawing btc
[2017-04-29 07:28:51] mark121 : theres another reason for an accont like that but il save that for a more private chat
[2017-04-29 07:30:35] mark121 : none of us know the hacking side of PC/tech well enough to kno what measures we cud take without complete isolation of trading accts
[2017-04-29 07:31:14] rugu : multiple email ids and enable *pgp* is a good start
[2017-04-29 07:31:37] rugu : which means you don't use gmail as your client, but idk how many exchanges let you use pgp communication
[2017-04-29 07:31:54] rugu : its a very safe, encryption layer on all email and communications from servers
[2017-04-29 07:32:01] mark121 : i kno pgp
[2017-04-29 07:32:06] mark121 : but in his case
[2017-04-29 07:32:22] mark121 : it seems somehow the hacker or hackers used his cache
[2017-04-29 07:32:32] rugu : thats a malware
[2017-04-29 07:32:51] rugu : no other way, it accesses local storage and goes to the cache allocated to his trading website
[2017-04-29 07:32:54] Labowski : /price
[2017-04-29 07:32:58] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1322.08 (-0.42%) Bitfinex : 1413.10 (-0.32%) OKCоin : 1258.68 (0.13%) itBit : 1333.88 (-0.52%) Kraken : 1321.57 (-0.44%) GDAX : 1352.00 (-0.29%) SLQ : 1 hour, 14 mins```
[2017-04-29 07:33:08] mark121 : well
[2017-04-29 07:33:09] rugu : which may contains tokens
[2017-04-29 07:33:28] mark121 : he had VPN, he had Spyware S+D passive and active protection
[2017-04-29 07:33:34] rugu : lol
[2017-04-29 07:33:35] mark121 : malware bytes ran
[2017-04-29 07:33:45] rugu : then idk how someone goes through all that
[2017-04-29 07:34:29] mark121 : but i do know his VPN ..erm whts the word, etiquette ya, his vpn etiquette wasn't up to par
[2017-04-29 07:34:33] rugu : I have done basic dev work on ecies encryption (used in bitcoin) etc., but never come across these kind of attacks
[2017-04-29 07:34:51] atlanta : I used to develop malware back in my young days
[2017-04-29 07:34:58] rugu : technically, vpn need not be used for tradin accounts as long as its legal in his area
[2017-04-29 07:34:59] atlanta : oh boy, what a thrill
[2017-04-29 07:35:15] mark121 : vpn was used for hacker protection
[2017-04-29 07:35:22] mark121 : or so we thought
[2017-04-29 07:36:26] mark121 : atlanta: interesting!
[2017-04-29 07:36:27] rugu : idk much about how vpn re-routing works
[2017-04-29 07:36:36] rugu : maybe it was Atlanta?
[2017-04-29 07:36:42] atlanta : of course it was me
[2017-04-29 07:37:13] mark121 : the hackers made contact briefly
[2017-04-29 07:37:36] mark121 : i cant be100% sure but id be surprised if he wud have made it up
[2017-04-29 07:37:48] mark121 : or hacker rather
[2017-04-29 07:38:52] mark121 : cant recall the exact phrasing but
[2017-04-29 07:39:23] atlanta : mark121: If you are still curious i can try to explain what happened if you give me more information. Just hit me up on tradingview
[2017-04-29 07:39:33] mark121 : sumtin about how it was for the btc only
[2017-04-29 07:39:40] mark121 : and noit his identity etc
[2017-04-29 07:39:53] mark121 : "ethical" hacker :p
[2017-04-29 07:40:38] mark121 : atlanta:good to kno ya id like to learn more obut that side of things
[2017-04-29 07:40:51] mark121 : ive been building PC's since like 11 or 12
[2017-04-29 07:40:53] Tommy : mark121: Does minimizing the number of plugins in browsers or using Linux reduce the risk?
[2017-04-29 07:41:18] atlanta : People need to take security more seriously when it comes to cryptoland
[2017-04-29 07:41:19] mark121 : i think unequiovacly yes
[2017-04-29 07:41:31] mark121 : @tommy thats to u
[2017-04-29 07:42:00] Tommy : mark121: When I make a deposit to an exchange, I make sure I see the same address in 2 different browsers.
[2017-04-29 07:42:49] atlanta : Tommy: that's a good rule of thumb, but browser html injection is quite easy on multiple clients
[2017-04-29 07:43:12] mark121 : heh always good to be safe but i dont.... nvm atlanta said it
[2017-04-29 07:43:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRPM17`: sell 20000 @ 0.00004273
[2017-04-29 07:43:30] atlanta : Tommy: so it depends on wether the malware is injecting through a addon or a proces running on the OS
[2017-04-29 07:43:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASHM17`: buy 2 @ 0.069825
[2017-04-29 07:44:03] Tommy : atlanta: Sometimes I use 2 computers at the same time too.
[2017-04-29 07:44:11] atlanta : Tommy: Running Linux / OSX greatly mitigates the chances of this
[2017-04-29 07:44:21] atlanta : Tommy: If you run two different OS at the same time, you are golden
[2017-04-29 07:44:34] mark121 : gota think of security like an onion
[2017-04-29 07:44:51] Tommy : atlanta: I have a Linux main machine and a Windows one (so that I can use a free VPN).
[2017-04-29 07:45:04] mark121 : the issue with relyin on etiquette like that (not saying u do)
[2017-04-29 07:45:21] Tommy : But I don't generate API keys as I am too paranoid.
[2017-04-29 07:45:23] atlanta : Tommy: all good then, just make sure the two machines doesn't share anything :)
[2017-04-29 07:45:32] mark121 : is that ur alrdy near the center of the onion
[2017-04-29 07:46:16] mark121 : im not qualifyin to give technical reasoning but i imagine outside of a phishing site
[2017-04-29 07:46:44] mark121 : if a hacker cud b changing what u see on ur wallet address's etc - hed be skilled enuf to get u other ways
[2017-04-29 07:47:05] atlanta : mark121: hehe mark, that's not really true
[2017-04-29 07:47:18] mark121 : plz do tell
[2017-04-29 07:47:30] mark121 : that half why i said it
[2017-04-29 07:47:34] mark121 : at the least
[2017-04-29 07:47:45] Tommy : If an exchange uses email confirmation showing your withdrawal address, I guess it's also difficult to hack too?
[2017-04-29 07:47:59] Tommy : You can check your email using different devices.
[2017-04-29 07:48:01] mark121 : ya that wud be multiple hacks
[2017-04-29 07:48:05] zqooN : What is this? Paranoid friday again?
[2017-04-29 07:48:17] mark121 : jus discussion zqooN
[2017-04-29 07:48:18] mark121 : :p
[2017-04-29 07:48:21] atlanta : mark121: well if we assume a malware injecting HTML to change the wallet address of deposit, we are simply talking about a program to inject HTML in browser clients. Developing and deploying this is not that hard at all. Assuming a person being able to do this, can get you other ways is wrong.
[2017-04-29 07:48:43] mark121 : im not referin to automatic process of malware
[2017-04-29 07:49:00] mark121 : im referin to like a realtime hack if that sa thing Lol
[2017-04-29 07:49:07] atlanta : mark121: like a RAT?
[2017-04-29 07:49:35] Tommy : It may be easier to reroute your DNS requests to fake an exchange?
[2017-04-29 07:49:40] mark121 : heh u tell me but most of what im sayin is not malware lvl stuff
[2017-04-29 07:50:01] Tommy : Most of the time, I don't check the SSL cert of the exchanges. Could be a problem.
[2017-04-29 07:50:39] atlanta : Look boys, i wouldn't worry so much about this. Just dont be stupid
[2017-04-29 07:50:58] mark121 : im not worried:)
[2017-04-29 07:51:02] mark121 : jus curious
[2017-04-29 07:51:11] atlanta : If you are dealing with large quantities or you are heavily invested. Make sure to take precautions.
[2017-04-29 07:51:33] atlanta : If you dont know what that means, pay someone.
[2017-04-29 07:52:45] mark121 : that kinda thing , PC cleaninless and behavior, i kno quite well
[2017-04-29 07:52:54] mark121 : its the backend, the real hacking stuff that i dont
[2017-04-29 07:52:57] Tommy : atlanta: I think the most important thing is to use a clean computer and don't do stupid thing on the one you use to trade.
[2017-04-29 07:53:40] mark121 : yeee
[2017-04-29 07:53:56] mark121 : rugu: did u close ur xrp trade in profit
[2017-04-29 07:54:21] mark121 : or was that the rekt, u said somehin about 60%
[2017-04-29 07:54:53] Tommy : I can't imaging trading altcoins with more than 3x really.
[2017-04-29 07:54:56] mark121 : bulltraps in alts set
[2017-04-29 07:55:07] mark121 : time for supermoon in btc? :p
[2017-04-29 07:55:18] mark121 : go dash go
[2017-04-29 07:56:08] rugu : mark121: went for a smoke
[2017-04-29 07:56:12] rugu : came back and getting a bit rekt for now
[2017-04-29 07:56:35] rugu : but ripple i dont mind holding for a few days
[2017-04-29 07:56:41] Tommy : Doesn't rekt always clear your whole account?
[2017-04-29 07:56:51] Tommy : Or just partially reduce the positions?
[2017-04-29 07:57:03] rugu : I mean rekt as in, bad position, not enough to make the hall of fame
[2017-04-29 07:57:07] Tommy : Sorry I didn't have the honor to get rekt.
[2017-04-29 07:57:38] Tommy : just yet
[2017-04-29 07:57:41] rugu : i buy 1$ btcusd at 100x leverage, so I make the rekt train once
[2017-04-29 07:57:52] mark121 : if u use cross
[2017-04-29 07:58:00] mark121 : rekt will use up all avail funds
[2017-04-29 07:58:17] Tommy : ok
[2017-04-29 07:58:25] mark121 : but leave other positions
[2017-04-29 07:58:26] zqooN : it can but does not always
[2017-04-29 07:58:51] mark121 : that wi llikely have a much worse cushion for liquidation protection aafterward
[2017-04-29 07:59:15] mark121 : zqooN: i dont count .001 as not zero
[2017-04-29 07:59:37] zqooN : I use cross a lot for small short (timebased) positions. Liq = 0 literally
[2017-04-29 08:00:10] mark121 : ofc if u have alot of avail $
[2017-04-29 08:00:13] mark121 : and the trade is small
[2017-04-29 08:00:15] Tommy : Being rekt is the same as giving money to the insurance fund. Don't think anyone wants that to happen.
[2017-04-29 08:00:33] Tommy : But many position themselves in such situation.
[2017-04-29 08:01:00] zqooN : many just gamble yolo
[2017-04-29 08:01:39] alfaCharlie : looks like its BTC vs ETH, both trading parallel in a way
[2017-04-29 08:01:54] mark121 : positive correllation recently yes
[2017-04-29 08:02:33] alfaCharlie : mark121: so how can a trader take advantage of this positive correllation ?
[2017-04-29 08:03:06] mark121 : realizing it b4 others catch on
[2017-04-29 08:03:06] alfaCharlie : long both ;p ? lol
[2017-04-29 08:03:13] mark121 : and ya basically :p
[2017-04-29 08:03:20] mark121 : or short both
[2017-04-29 08:03:36] mark121 : when othrs think one wil move oppositely
[2017-04-29 08:04:06] Tommy : Form a Markowitz portfolio using the correlation.
[2017-04-29 08:04:18] mark121 : which cud mean that when it moves with it (ie if ur long)
[2017-04-29 08:04:26] mark121 : ud benefit from the short squeeze that occurs
[2017-04-29 08:04:52] alfaCharlie : k
[2017-04-29 08:07:45] alfaCharlie : mark121: DP u use any indicators also or just ur lines and circles ?
[2017-04-29 08:07:52] alfaCharlie : *Do
[2017-04-29 08:08:06] Tommy : *just* lol
[2017-04-29 08:08:41] mark121 : i use al sorts at different times
[2017-04-29 08:08:49] alfaCharlie : ichimoku , bollingers or donchain channels etc
[2017-04-29 08:08:49] mark121 : but most not all the time
[2017-04-29 08:08:57] alfaCharlie : k
[2017-04-29 08:09:08] mark121 : fk ichimoku
[2017-04-29 08:09:15] Tommy : why?
[2017-04-29 08:09:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRPM17`: buy 600 @ 0.00004328
[2017-04-29 08:09:37] mark121 : i find it hurts the learning process for newer peeps
[2017-04-29 08:09:49] mark121 : as its js a bunch of ma's
[2017-04-29 08:09:52] alfaCharlie : Tommy: IT leaves no space to draw
[2017-04-29 08:09:58] mark121 : with one set in the future
[2017-04-29 08:09:58] alfaCharlie : ;p
[2017-04-29 08:10:07] mark121 : all i mean is
[2017-04-29 08:10:21] mark121 : i always ask ichimoku traders
[2017-04-29 08:10:29] mark121 : explain what it is
[2017-04-29 08:10:35] mark121 : and few can
[2017-04-29 08:10:45] mark121 : so i mean its liek a deadend for alot of newer guys
[2017-04-29 08:11:19] mark121 : and rly, sure it works but for day to day trading its slow
[2017-04-29 08:11:22] alfaCharlie : yes , people stop learning other things after using it
[2017-04-29 08:11:40] rugu : is it actually that useful?
[2017-04-29 08:11:43] mark121 : and because so many use it, ur reall ynot going to get a competitive advantage
[2017-04-29 08:11:52] mark121 : it is and it isnt
[2017-04-29 08:13:07] mark121 : its like skipping hatchet, saws, woodgraining and goin straight to using a chainsaw and cutting a tree at some predetermined width (even tho doing so at times makes for lesser quality wood)
[2017-04-29 08:13:10] alfaCharlie : I am new learner so i am experimenting alot of things. But I know in the end mantra is "Keep it simple"
[2017-04-29 08:13:20] mark121 : exactl
[2017-04-29 08:13:35] mark121 : take the time to give urself a good foundation
[2017-04-29 08:13:47] mark121 : quality over quantity with indications
[2017-04-29 08:13:52] mark121 : indicators*
[2017-04-29 08:14:13] mark121 : and even methods of identifying patterns,
[2017-04-29 08:14:13] alfaCharlie : I never trade on troll box advices, but always cross chekck and learn from what u people talk and why someone said so...
[2017-04-29 08:15:00] mark121 : ju sremember that ur bein traded against, always and in no uncertain terms must always assume ur being tricked into ur thinking
[2017-04-29 08:15:29] mark121 : also quality over quantity with # of trades
[2017-04-29 08:15:32] alfaCharlie : yea
[2017-04-29 08:15:45] mark121 : jus cause u got an hour or two to trade, doesnt mean the market will give u proper trades
[2017-04-29 08:15:59] mark121 : thats very easy to say and hard to live by
[2017-04-29 08:16:09] mark121 : which ties into what i said b4
[2017-04-29 08:16:48] mark121 : ive never basically met a human who intrinsically truly understood the meaning of typical advice without walking it themselves
[2017-04-29 08:17:16] alfaCharlie : I have learnt alot on bitmex and now i understand what u r saying, experienced it , learning from it
[2017-04-29 08:17:22] rugu : gnosis on poloniex in 2 days
[2017-04-29 08:17:32] mark121 : accepting that its near impossible and constantly shutting ur ego down and reassessing is the only way possible
[2017-04-29 08:17:49] mark121 : to do this long term is the trick
[2017-04-29 08:18:05] mark121 : any1 can do well in a bull market, or beginners luck etc
[2017-04-29 08:18:29] mark121 : question is wil u still have anything left after a cycle or two completes (typically atleast one-5 years)
[2017-04-29 08:19:01] mark121 : oh
[2017-04-29 08:19:15] mark121 : and heres one advice u dont hear enuf..
[2017-04-29 08:19:27] alfaCharlie : ??
[2017-04-29 08:19:46] mark121 : u can do well for 2 years but LITERALLY it only takes one session to destroy ur acct
[2017-04-29 08:20:04] mark121 : one time u log on (emotionally unstable, drunk, whatever)
[2017-04-29 08:20:14] mark121 : u can undo everything
[2017-04-29 08:20:17] alfaCharlie : i have made some risk management policies for myself ;p
[2017-04-29 08:20:21] alfaCharlie : for that
[2017-04-29 08:20:28] alfaCharlie : investing only that i can loose
[2017-04-29 08:20:30] mark121 : good thts a must
[2017-04-29 08:20:37] rugu : why does xrp always have 300k buy orders at every level
[2017-04-29 08:20:39] rugu : its so weird
[2017-04-29 08:21:02] alfaCharlie : its cheap
[2017-04-29 08:21:04] alfaCharlie : thats why
[2017-04-29 08:21:12] rugu : but the exact same number
[2017-04-29 08:21:16] rugu : throughout the order book
[2017-04-29 08:21:23] Tommy : 300k is around 11 BTC
[2017-04-29 08:21:24] alfaCharlie : market making bots
[2017-04-29 08:21:26] Tommy : seems a lot
[2017-04-29 08:21:40] mark121 : nah
[2017-04-29 08:21:43] rugu : mm bots dont trade on such large spreads typically
[2017-04-29 08:21:44] mark121 : that aint alot
[2017-04-29 08:21:58] Tommy : That's a lot compared to LTC bots.
[2017-04-29 08:23:14] mark121 : brb
[2017-04-29 08:23:39] slacknation : gno will go to 1 on monday
[2017-04-29 08:24:15] rugu : slacknation: as in 1btc : 1gno?
[2017-04-29 08:24:25] rugu : thats a 10x increase in price
[2017-04-29 08:25:36] alfaCharlie : i will buy one GNO just for fun and keeping it
[2017-04-29 08:25:44] alfaCharlie : team behind it is huge
[2017-04-29 08:25:46] alfaCharlie : hype is huge
[2017-04-29 08:25:56] slacknation : exactly
[2017-04-29 08:25:58] alfaCharlie : can be 1 btc with the max limit
[2017-04-29 08:26:02] mark121 : .1
[2017-04-29 08:26:05] mark121 : he mus tmean
[2017-04-29 08:26:14] rugu : its already 0.1
[2017-04-29 08:26:20] alfaCharlie : in a year or so ?
[2017-04-29 08:26:30] rugu : within a week is what he is saying
[2017-04-29 08:26:35] mark121 : not rly
[2017-04-29 08:26:39] alfaCharlie : thats .1
[2017-04-29 08:26:42] rugu : but ICO price is 29$
[2017-04-29 08:26:45] mark121 : what less than 200 contracts
[2017-04-29 08:26:45] slacknation : 1.0 monday. supply is very limited
[2017-04-29 08:26:58] mark121 : ppl remmebrZEC
[2017-04-29 08:27:03] rugu : :D
[2017-04-29 08:27:07] rugu : started with 300btc
[2017-04-29 08:27:15] rugu : dropped to 0.05 in 10 days
[2017-04-29 08:27:21] atlanta : I thought everyone had agreed Gnosis was the scam of the year with their Dutch auction, no ?
[2017-04-29 08:27:31] atlanta : Clearly im out of the loop
[2017-04-29 08:27:32] mark121 : still
[2017-04-29 08:27:37] mark121 : hype is enu fto move it considerably
[2017-04-29 08:27:38] rugu : true, but very few people care
[2017-04-29 08:27:41] slacknation : those are the smart guys, most are not even reading news
[2017-04-29 08:27:42] rugu : when the craze is so high
[2017-04-29 08:27:57] rugu : most see *ico over in 10min*, OMFG I want that coin
[2017-04-29 08:27:58] atlanta : ah alright, so it's another temp dump and pump scheme ?
[2017-04-29 08:28:08] mark121 : for now
[2017-04-29 08:28:09] alfaCharlie : people didn't even knew about GNO before auction, now everyone is asking for the one. and many will lock down , reducing the suply even further so eventually rise in price
[2017-04-29 08:28:12] slacknation : you want rational, go work in academia, not play the markets
[2017-04-29 08:28:17] mark121 : its a max buy rumor sell news situiation
[2017-04-29 08:28:27] atlanta : Sorry for bringing rationale to the trollbox
[2017-04-29 08:28:33] atlanta : my bad
[2017-04-29 08:28:41] rugu : atlanta: No place for rational people here
[2017-04-29 08:28:48] mark121 : with few coins price can swing wildly
[2017-04-29 08:28:59] slacknation : there's a reason wallstreet is much richer than profs
[2017-04-29 08:29:07] mark121 : thts diff slacknation
[2017-04-29 08:29:28] mark121 : wallstreet is rich because they are unethical and uninterested in anythin but the money
[2017-04-29 08:29:30] alfaCharlie : tokens are just a game , if they really wanted to make a Good product , they would have done with just ether ;p
[2017-04-29 08:29:40] mark121 : profs typically have a diff view of what a life entails
[2017-04-29 08:30:03] mark121 : yet often understand what the wall st guys do more than they likely do themselves
[2017-04-29 08:30:23] slacknation : anyway, just a warning to those having gno shorts
[2017-04-29 08:30:41] mark121 : oh im gona short the fuck out of it but not yet
[2017-04-29 08:31:05] rugu : short it when it goes zcash level,price more than 1 btc
[2017-04-29 08:31:08] mark121 : this price action means nothing
[2017-04-29 08:31:12] slacknation : already 190btc in gno open value, we can go quite high with that
[2017-04-29 08:31:52] mark121 : i imagine we will see a likely large downswing day b4 it opens for tradng
[2017-04-29 08:32:05] rapidgains : is GNO 1x?
[2017-04-29 08:32:07] mark121 : to shake out noobs and then a true hype rally
[2017-04-29 08:32:09] rugu : idk. only bitmex has gno
[2017-04-29 08:32:11] slacknation : opens on monday, not a lot of time left
[2017-04-29 08:32:20] rugu : so all whales will have to come here to dump
[2017-04-29 08:32:20] mark121 : it usually occurs the day b4
[2017-04-29 08:32:41] rugu : im clearing my account, putting orders at 0.6
[2017-04-29 08:32:58] rapidgains : ahh 2x
[2017-04-29 08:32:58] mark121 : :p
[2017-04-29 08:33:00] mark121 : k brb
[2017-04-29 08:33:28] slacknation : how frequent will the mark price update once gno trades in kraken?
[2017-04-29 08:33:43] alfaCharlie : cya mark
[2017-04-29 08:35:02] slacknation : 190btc open value, e.g. ave price is 0.1 so 1900 open contracts?
[2017-04-29 08:35:23] alfaCharlie : slacknation: The BitMEX .GNOXBT30M Index is a 30-minute TWAP of the Gnosis price at Kraken ending at 12:00 UTC from the .GNOXBT Index.
[2017-04-29 08:36:14] slacknation : that's settlement, not mark price
[2017-04-29 08:37:09] jalapeno : the mark price is the last price until trading begins, then the mark price is kraken. also the settement price
[2017-04-29 08:37:26] slacknation : if the first 2 trades on kraken are 0.01 then 1, what is the mark price?
[2017-04-29 08:37:26] jalapeno : that explains the 2 billion market cap right now :D
[2017-04-29 08:38:14] alfaCharlie : sure will be in top 5 list then
[2017-04-29 08:38:15] alfaCharlie : ;p
[2017-04-29 08:38:26] jalapeno : yeah for some hours
[2017-04-29 08:39:15] rugu : at least 1 week
[2017-04-29 08:39:18] slacknation : first unicorn token, nice
[2017-04-29 08:39:21] jalapeno : just becareful shorting it - do not use any leverage. more like 10 percent or less, because there's a lot of whale manipulation going on trying to stop hunt/rek people
[2017-04-29 08:39:21] rugu : i mean zcash sustained a hyped price for so long
[2017-04-29 08:39:45] jalapeno : rugu: yes but not 1 billion market cap
[2017-04-29 08:40:20] slacknation : whales have a love for tokens nowadays, just be careful
[2017-04-29 08:40:32] jalapeno : yup
[2017-04-29 08:40:46] slacknation : no gnt here? weird
[2017-04-29 08:42:52] jalapeno : wish they would add
[2017-04-29 08:46:01] slacknation : why is eth so high here?
[2017-04-29 08:46:45] NeoXx : when will gnosis list on polo?
[2017-04-29 08:47:51] shery : NeoXx: after auction I guess
[2017-04-29 08:48:15] slacknation : i don't think polo announces the exact time
[2017-04-29 08:49:32] itsme : /sentiment
[2017-04-29 08:49:35] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 50.81 / 49.19 Daily : 53.03 / 46.97 Weekly : 48.81 / 51.19 Monthly : 46.20 / 53.80```
[2017-04-29 08:49:59] slacknation : https://gnosis.pm/ https://news.codetract.io/ the time is when the ico tokens are released
[2017-04-29 08:51:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASHM17`: buy 50 @ 0.078087
[2017-04-29 08:51:12] rugu : so a few hours before there should some massive dumps by the whales
[2017-04-29 08:51:40] shery : rugu: Gnosis?
[2017-04-29 08:51:56] rugu : ya
[2017-04-29 08:52:20] NeoXx : slacknation: thanks
[2017-04-29 08:53:24] rugu : so its like 5:30pm monday GMT
[2017-04-29 08:53:56] alfaCharlie : LOL XRP bots are crazy hahaha
[2017-04-29 08:56:37] rugu : ya its ruining my trade
[2017-04-29 08:57:41] vgck : Seems like a perfect time to long some xrp
[2017-04-29 08:58:26] rugu : yes join me
[2017-04-29 09:07:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 1335.8
[2017-04-29 09:12:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 45557 @ 1329.1
[2017-04-29 09:12:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 150 @ 1335.1
[2017-04-29 09:12:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 500 @ 1328.5
[2017-04-29 09:16:11] mdsmm : wut dash
[2017-04-29 09:16:14] mdsmm : dash is hungry
[2017-04-29 09:16:41] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2017-04-29 09:16:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2 @ 1333.9 :punch: :whale:
[2017-04-29 09:18:28] rapidtrades : the bear is back
[2017-04-29 09:18:48] Kalman : roarrrr
[2017-04-29 09:46:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHM17`: sell 1 @ 0.05271
[2017-04-29 09:46:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHM17`: sell 2 @ 0.05295
[2017-04-29 09:46:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHM17`: sell 20 @ 0.05287
[2017-04-29 09:49:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 4180 @ 1341.9
[2017-04-29 09:49:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHM17`: sell 10 @ 0.05253
[2017-04-29 09:50:03] rapidtrades : some idiot on btce is buying ltcusd
[2017-04-29 09:50:43] rapidtrades : while ltcbtc and polo ltcbtc stay flat
[2017-04-29 09:51:00] stf28 : *wealthy idiot
[2017-04-29 09:51:18] rapidtrades : he bought <5k
[2017-04-29 09:51:43] rapidtrades : its not great liquidaty
[2017-04-29 09:52:59] blaat : ETH faking a dump again?
[2017-04-29 09:53:32] stf28 : ah yeah, still below 14.6 but ltc didn't fall as planned that can be the beginning of smth
[2017-04-29 10:04:42] mdsmm : lovely weekend
[2017-04-29 10:05:34] blaat : boring weekend
[2017-04-29 10:05:49] shery : boring weekend
[2017-04-29 10:06:14] shery : I hope btc flash crashes
[2017-04-29 10:06:29] blaat : ^_^
[2017-04-29 10:07:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMRM17`: buy 6 @ 0.018589
[2017-04-29 10:11:06] rapidtrades : stf28: yes i don't like it
[2017-04-29 10:11:27] rapidtrades : LTC too easy to pump without china
[2017-04-29 10:12:12] rapidtrades : $14 is way over-hyped but not much u can do without commiting lot of money
[2017-04-29 10:12:50] rapidtrades : prolly safer to just play the arb and lock in that 10% for 2 months
[2017-04-29 10:13:03] mdsmm : arb? haha sorry
[2017-04-29 10:13:20] mdsmm : rapidtrades:
[2017-04-29 10:13:42] rapidtrades : yeah its like 90% sure money
[2017-04-29 10:13:59] mdsmm : no no i mean what is the abbreviation haha, don't know it :(
[2017-04-29 10:14:00] rapidtrades : only ADL can mess it up
[2017-04-29 10:14:15] rapidtrades : arbitrage
[2017-04-29 10:14:22] mdsmm : aaaah wow, haha, stupid
[2017-04-29 10:14:35] mdsmm : ty
[2017-04-29 10:15:33] stf28 : rapidtrades: this implies ltcm17 premium stays at the same rate no ?
[2017-04-29 10:15:49] stf28 : that's the arb you were discussing with farzad
[2017-04-29 10:16:02] Tux26 : stf28: no, you lock in the profit when you sell here and buy somewhere else
[2017-04-29 10:16:13] rapidtrades : no ceterus paribus it will fall with time
[2017-04-29 10:16:28] blaat : sell? contract arb?
[2017-04-29 10:16:50] Tux26 : blaat: Sure, you sell Litecoin here on margin and buy it somewhere else
[2017-04-29 10:17:06] mdsmm : win win
[2017-04-29 10:17:08] Tux26 : then when the rates converge you do the opposite (latest when the contract here is settled)
[2017-04-29 10:17:21] mdsmm : Going out to buy a keyboard
[2017-04-29 10:17:23] mdsmm : haha
[2017-04-29 10:17:29] mdsmm : music is life
[2017-04-29 10:17:45] rapidtrades : current premium is 9.4% if u sell at the top bid
[2017-04-29 10:18:00] rapidtrades : 55% per annum
[2017-04-29 10:18:15] stf28 : Tux26: thanks :) i still don't get where is the risk
[2017-04-29 10:18:35] blaat : the risk is in liquidation
[2017-04-29 10:18:46] Tux26 : blaat: exactly
[2017-04-29 10:18:48] blaat : you need sufficient headroom for this to work
[2017-04-29 10:19:03] Tux26 : blaat: well and you could be auto-deleveraged
[2017-04-29 10:19:10] blaat : that too
[2017-04-29 10:19:30] Tux26 : even if you should get liquidated here you can just close the in-profit trade
[2017-04-29 10:19:49] Tux26 : so ADL is worth because it could be when that happens the difference is even more than when you opened the trade
[2017-04-29 10:20:09] Tux26 : worth = worse
[2017-04-29 10:20:38] frog : Tux26: need to be able to settle
[2017-04-29 10:20:47] blaat : I hear a lot of people talking about this strategy for a long time but never seen anyone being successful in it.
[2017-04-29 10:20:50] Tux26 : frog: what do you mean?
[2017-04-29 10:21:05] stf28 : mmh so why is there still 10% premium here?
[2017-04-29 10:21:09] frog : make it to expiry
[2017-04-29 10:21:21] frog : the contract is market at polo price
[2017-04-29 10:21:30] Tux26 : frog: yeah sure, but what should prevent you from doing that?
[2017-04-29 10:21:40] frog : ald
[2017-04-29 10:21:42] frog : adl
[2017-04-29 10:21:57] Tux26 : frog: ok, true. That is what I just said before
[2017-04-29 10:22:47] frog : so if before you can't be sure closing other side will balance the loss
[2017-04-29 10:24:15] Tux26 : true
[2017-04-29 10:24:27] Tux26 : but with 10% difference it is hard to imagine to make a loss though
[2017-04-29 10:24:33] Tux26 : just less win
[2017-04-29 10:24:47] Tux26 : and I think ADL is very unlikely if you open here with maximum 2x leverage
[2017-04-29 10:26:35] mdsmm : i always use 2 or 3
[2017-04-29 10:27:06] mdsmm : i prefer to make everytime a decent profit than to get fucked by adl haha
[2017-04-29 10:27:23] mdsmm : less profit but meh, can't look at my screen during the week
[2017-04-29 10:27:30] frog : cost of leverage at polo around 5% with 2.5x max
[2017-04-29 10:27:39] mdsmm : that's a lot no?
[2017-04-29 10:28:05] frog : not as much as cost of future her which is around 10%
[2017-04-29 10:28:41] mdsmm : mm
[2017-04-29 10:28:43] mdsmm : lol gnosis
[2017-04-29 10:29:07] frog : need big amount to make worthwhile
[2017-04-29 10:29:09] mdsmm : going to be interesting once listed
[2017-04-29 10:29:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRPM17`: sell 11 @ 0.00004210
[2017-04-29 10:32:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRPM17`: sell 811 @ 0.00004182
[2017-04-29 10:32:33] mdsmm : rektsss
[2017-04-29 10:39:49] mdsmm : /sentiment
[2017-04-29 10:39:51] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 55.34 / 44.66 Daily : 52.31 / 47.69 Weekly : 48.78 / 51.22 Monthly : 46.16 / 53.84```
[2017-04-29 10:48:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRPM17`: sell 2999 @ 0.00004025
[2017-04-29 10:49:35] Ahhere : Guise who is long btc
[2017-04-29 10:49:46] Tux26 : Ahhere: here
[2017-04-29 10:50:50] Ahhere : Tux26: just the two of us? So romantic. Where u long from?
[2017-04-29 10:51:18] Ahhere : i got 1324 closed some last night at 1350
[2017-04-29 10:51:26] Tux26 : Ahhere: haha
[2017-04-29 10:51:37] Tux26 : Ahhere: ~1280 USD
[2017-04-29 10:51:53] Ahhere : nice
[2017-04-29 10:52:22] vgck : Better close the rest before 1260
[2017-04-29 10:52:34] Tux26 : vgck: waiting for 1400
[2017-04-29 10:52:43] vgck : Good luck with that
[2017-04-29 10:52:49] Ahhere : Tux26: just watching since 4 days ago. Nice discipline
[2017-04-29 10:53:17] Ahhere : when does stamp break ath @Tux26
[2017-04-29 10:53:28] Ahhere : vgck: u a shortie?
[2017-04-29 10:53:54] vgck : Ahhere: I'm a bear, grrrr!
[2017-04-29 10:53:55] Tux26 : Ahhere: how should I know :D I am just certain it will go up long-term
[2017-04-29 10:54:13] Ahhere : Tux26: the edge in plain sight lol
[2017-04-29 10:54:23] vgck : Tux26: Long-term and leverage don't mix so good. How much leverage you using?
[2017-04-29 10:54:30] Ahhere : vgck: care bare or revenant style?
[2017-04-29 10:54:32] Tux26 : vgck: 0.8
[2017-04-29 10:54:50] Ahhere : Tux26: currently on a homosexual 3.7x
[2017-04-29 10:55:19] vgck : If you're not abusing at least 50x, can you really call yourself a trader?
[2017-04-29 10:55:46] Ahhere : I used to get rekt at higher leverage
[2017-04-29 10:56:10] Tux26 : Ahhere: this
[2017-04-29 10:56:42] Ahhere : now i double down. liquidation a few hundred dollars away with dry powder at hand
[2017-04-29 10:57:39] Ahhere : Maybe sell if there is legit apocalyptic news
[2017-04-29 10:58:03] Ahhere : vgck: whats ur leverage?
[2017-04-29 11:00:48] vgck : Ahhere: I have 3 accounts open so I can go 300x long like a real man.
[2017-04-29 11:01:54] Ahhere : Lol ur math is off guy
[2017-04-29 11:02:11] vgck : Shush, I can maths good.
[2017-04-29 11:02:15] Ahhere : thats 3000x im pretty sure
[2017-04-29 11:02:24] Tux26 : Ahhere: at least ;)
[2017-04-29 11:02:50] Ahhere : people in normal life cant maths. I like you gamblers
[2017-04-29 11:03:18] Ahhere : even if you're all rain man autists
[2017-04-29 11:03:33] vgck : Ahhere: Excuse me, the preferred term is "degen", tyvm
[2017-04-29 11:03:51] Ahhere : <3 degens sorry
[2017-04-29 11:04:18] Ahhere : Blaze it
[2017-04-29 11:06:05] KingTuna : Wow my DaSh
[2017-04-29 11:06:14] KingTuna : Got off flight and I'm up 20 BTC
[2017-04-29 11:06:16] KingTuna : woo
[2017-04-29 11:06:37] mdsmm : Happy man?
[2017-04-29 11:08:39] Ahhere : KingTuna: nice
[2017-04-29 11:09:13] KingTuna : Yup just closed
[2017-04-29 11:09:28] KingTuna : so I can relax on next 8 hour leg form Singapore :)
[2017-04-29 11:12:09] mdsmm : nice man!
[2017-04-29 11:21:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTM17`: buy 50 @ 0.006296
[2017-04-29 11:21:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTM17`: buy 5 @ 0.006288
[2017-04-29 11:24:53] KingTuna : ill grab some xrp now lol xrp spread
[2017-04-29 11:25:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTCM17`: buy 5 @ 0.01254