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[2017-04-29 02:26:28] biz : wtf is going on
[2017-04-29 02:26:34] biz : jumping $20
[2017-04-29 02:26:37] biz : up and down
[2017-04-29 02:26:44] Makimoto : some crazy stuff going on
[2017-04-29 02:27:16] biz : btc hasnt dumped in so long that so many stops and margin calls gonna be hit
[2017-04-29 02:27:32] rapidtrades : +1
[2017-04-29 02:27:37] rapidtrades : flash crash possible
[2017-04-29 02:28:03] slacknation : woohoo, i am still buying gno!
[2017-04-29 02:29:03] mofeta : gnosis, the is the first fomo of my life
[2017-04-29 02:33:51] Trade : biz: gave up on Quarterlies, just giving me a headache
[2017-04-29 02:33:56] Trade : checking spreads
[2017-04-29 02:34:20] biz : then swap is $7 lower
[2017-04-29 02:34:34] Trade : change all of the futures to derivative swaps plz, lol
[2017-04-29 02:35:03] biz : waiting on big bad bearwhale to dump btc if they ever show up
[2017-04-29 02:35:27] Trade : not watching the XBT Future really. What is the volume % XBT Future vs Swaps? I use swaps only
[2017-04-29 02:35:34] Trade : for BTC
[2017-04-29 02:35:55] Trade : but, market looks like it's going dwn
[2017-04-29 02:37:30] Trade : $7 lower than index?
[2017-04-29 02:39:00] biz : yeah
[2017-04-29 02:39:21] Trade : BitMEX Traders smarter that average market? ;)
[2017-04-29 02:39:28] Trade : getting a jump?
[2017-04-29 02:40:01] aethlios : june from 30 usd premium to -4 discount??
[2017-04-29 02:40:21] Trade : ah, yes I see now.
[2017-04-29 02:41:21] mark121 : /sentiment
[2017-04-29 02:41:23] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 59.54 / 40.46 Daily : 55.78 / 44.22 Weekly : 49.08 / 50.93 Monthly : 46.30 / 53.70```
[2017-04-29 02:42:45] micmix : my bot rebalanced position a bit on futures
[2017-04-29 02:43:31] Coconuter : thanks i was just cashing out gonna take a break from trading this nexts weeks
[2017-04-29 02:43:39] Coconuter : half position still open
[2017-04-29 02:43:44] Coconuter : MOON
[2017-04-29 02:44:04] rapidtrades : ive been fighting with btce mm all night
[2017-04-29 02:44:04] micmix : thanks Coconuter
[2017-04-29 02:44:10] Coconuter : cya
[2017-04-29 02:46:59] rapidgains : wut happened to gno lmao
[2017-04-29 02:47:20] biz : still being priced in
[2017-04-29 02:47:27] biz : predictive market going to be huge
[2017-04-29 02:47:39] biz : people moving billions in to do insider trading
[2017-04-29 02:47:54] biz : can't long enough GNO
[2017-04-29 02:48:02] biz : going to be ZEC but without the crash
[2017-04-29 02:48:21] micmix : lol @ people moving billions
[2017-04-29 02:50:04] rapidtrades : they laughed at Elon Musk too, now look where he is
[2017-04-29 02:50:57] rapidtrades : 1 GNO = 10 LTC right now
[2017-04-29 02:51:19] slacknation : gno is paying all my bills!
[2017-04-29 02:52:27] moonandgloom : So if the price on the index exchange hits the liquidation price but the mark price doesn't it still gets liquidated right?
[2017-04-29 02:52:34] biz : people having buyers remorse in LTC after reading about GNO
[2017-04-29 02:52:48] rapidtrades : moonandgloom: no, only mark matters
[2017-04-29 02:53:06] DrNiki : how come there was another test lol
[2017-04-29 02:53:12] biz : moonandgloom: mark price matters. but if current price is past your liquidation you cant close
[2017-04-29 02:53:18] DrNiki : i though it was an obvious short
[2017-04-29 02:53:26] DrNiki : it just didnt manage to rly break 1300
[2017-04-29 02:53:59] rapidtrades : wee're waiting for smth
[2017-04-29 02:54:03] moonandgloom : Thanks!
[2017-04-29 02:54:06] slacknation : when kraken starts trading, does mark price follow kraken's price?
[2017-04-29 02:54:08] rapidtrades : LTC markets very strange too
[2017-04-29 02:54:11] biz : fucking gdax holding the price up
[2017-04-29 02:54:21] biz : btc price
[2017-04-29 02:57:31] biz : quarterlies ruined trading for so many people
[2017-04-29 02:57:40] longbydefault : /price
[2017-04-29 02:57:42] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1330.09 (-0.08%) Bitfinex : 1409.70 (-0.04%) OKCоin : 1249.43 (-0.37%) itBit : 1342.98 (-0.05%) Kraken : 1322.42 (-0.79%) GDAX : 1352.00 (-0.16%) SLQ : 41 mins```
[2017-04-29 02:58:32] biz : guess it is okay on most coins now. MM needs to figure out LTC though
[2017-04-29 02:59:40] rapidtrades : LTC quaterlies are great, 66% annualized rn
[2017-04-29 03:00:01] biz : swap price back to where it should be
[2017-04-29 03:09:21] frog : rapidtrades: why ltc premium so high?
[2017-04-29 03:09:54] biz : because great things are happening soon
[2017-04-29 03:11:34] frog : it looks very attractive to short
[2017-04-29 03:11:49] Trade : how do you cover tho?
[2017-04-29 03:12:02] frog : polo
[2017-04-29 03:12:45] Trade : btc can't make up it's mind, wanting to go up. making me tired, lol
[2017-04-29 03:13:04] frog : only 2.5x though
[2017-04-29 03:13:29] Actualiteit : im so fucking clueless about btc rn jesus fucking christ
[2017-04-29 03:13:31] frog : with that leverage adl risk would be low
[2017-04-29 03:17:10] biz : someone buying on okc.cn
[2017-04-29 03:19:02] jalapeno : 1.5 billion valuation for gnosis now on futures..lol
[2017-04-29 03:19:19] biz : that'll go up in 41 minutes
[2017-04-29 03:19:24] biz : next round of rekting
[2017-04-29 03:19:28] aethlios : https://twitter.com/satoshilite/status/858007334471086080
[2017-04-29 03:20:01] Actualiteit : aethlios: how about charlie lee shut the fuck up about his precious shitcoin?
[2017-04-29 03:20:37] aethlios : Actualiteit: how about short ltc and get margin called in the ass??
[2017-04-29 03:20:57] Actualiteit : aethlios: how about I stay the helll away from ltc like I always do?
[2017-04-29 03:21:27] aethlios : Actualiteit: good for you, what's your problem with CL??
[2017-04-29 03:21:30] frog : aethlios: charlie probably want to unload some ltc
[2017-04-29 03:22:03] aethlios : CL has very a few ltc, has more money in btc.
[2017-04-29 03:22:04] Actualiteit : aethlios: idk He seems like the biggest bagholder ever in crypto desperate to unload his stash
[2017-04-29 03:22:13] Actualiteit : and he has a fat face
[2017-04-29 03:22:38] frog : aethlios: why doesn't he own?
[2017-04-29 03:22:42] aethlios : no bagholders in crypto, all coins make new highs. don't eat the propaganda.
[2017-04-29 03:23:09] aethlios : frog: do you know how ltc started?? go check the history.
[2017-04-29 03:26:00] aethlios : ltc above 100 prior to halving.
[2017-04-29 03:26:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMRM17`: sell 40 @ 0.017737
[2017-04-29 03:28:41] frog : aethlios: what am i missing?
[2017-04-29 03:28:47] biz : BTC should explode once stamp stops holding us back
[2017-04-29 03:29:25] frog : he want to create coin for small transactions
[2017-04-29 03:30:07] frog : and hopefully gpu mining would be sustainable
[2017-04-29 03:31:29] aethlios : http://coinmarketcap.com/charts/ btc is disappearing boys, 61% now. soon eth market cap will be #1 and then btc will stop growing in market cap, specu;ators will dump it.
[2017-04-29 03:32:22] Trade : Ya, the ETH Cap is getting high
[2017-04-29 03:32:24] biz : surprised people dont start dumping btc now.
[2017-04-29 03:32:32] Trade : ETH not very usable tho
[2017-04-29 03:32:38] Trade : tradeable
[2017-04-29 03:33:02] Trade : How will POS affect ETH?
[2017-04-29 03:33:18] biz : wonder how easily ETH can be pumped to 0.1
[2017-04-29 03:33:37] aethlios : all new projects are build on eth, noone uses btc. but eth is not perfect and a 3rd generation can surpass eth, but we will enter the eth era for 4-5 years, after eth cap above btc cap.
[2017-04-29 03:33:55] mark121 : its about 6 billion easily
[2017-04-29 03:34:18] Trade : this is the cap ranking that is crazy to me: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/all/
[2017-04-29 03:34:20] mark121 : dollars that is
[2017-04-29 03:35:00] Trade : I guess maybe rising sea lifts all
[2017-04-29 03:35:37] Trade : has anyone here ever spent 1 ETH for any product or service?
[2017-04-29 03:35:45] Trade : other than trading?
[2017-04-29 03:35:46] frog : aethlios: people are chasing the ones banks are becoming involved with
[2017-04-29 03:36:09] frog : Trade: eth is like development platform
[2017-04-29 03:36:18] Trade : ya. different animal I guess
[2017-04-29 03:36:47] frog : jpm are looking at developing eth based platform
[2017-04-29 03:36:50] Trade : like investing BTC into a company or stock
[2017-04-29 03:38:09] frog : @Trade price started to move when they pulled out of R3 to focus on eth
[2017-04-29 03:38:44] Trade : what is the relation between Gnosis and Online Gambling industry? I don't understand the 'predictions' component. Predicting.. uh, what?
[2017-04-29 03:38:53] frog : market research
[2017-04-29 03:38:58] frog : trump or clinton
[2017-04-29 03:39:48] frog : people get paid for correctly predicting outcome
[2017-04-29 03:39:59] frog : and pay if they are wrong
[2017-04-29 03:40:09] Trade : like a huge online gambling platform?
[2017-04-29 03:40:21] frog : not exactly
[2017-04-29 03:40:25] aethlios : that btc pump was rally weak, chat now has 1032 users with price 1335, very bearish.
[2017-04-29 03:40:29] Trade : trying to grasp ;)
[2017-04-29 03:40:57] frog : will people buy iphone 9 or S9? for example, apple may pay for gnosis opinion
[2017-04-29 03:41:20] frog : prefer 5" screen or 6" screen
[2017-04-29 03:41:50] frog : cheaper than focus groups... etc
[2017-04-29 03:43:29] Trade : I guess that service has a large market somehow?
[2017-04-29 03:43:37] frog : little different answers question what do you think most people would prefer rather than what do you prefer
[2017-04-29 03:43:45] frog : potentailly bery useful
[2017-04-29 03:44:02] frog : augur does the same but not as hyped
[2017-04-29 03:44:40] frog : can get almost instant market feedback at low cost
[2017-04-29 03:45:33] frog : but easy to imitate and there may end up being a lot of players in the space
[2017-04-29 03:47:48] Trade : thx
[2017-04-29 03:48:30] biz : someone holding GNO down
[2017-04-29 03:48:32] frog : also shows value of blockchain separate from mining and coin as store of value
[2017-04-29 03:48:38] biz : 12 minutes for them to remove the wall or else no new rekts
[2017-04-29 03:49:45] Trade : maybe better to view BTC as store of value vs. ETH/GNO as ICO company investments? Shares have value
[2017-04-29 03:50:22] Trade : I know currency may not be best descrip for BTC with scaling issues. Digital Gold better descrip
[2017-04-29 03:50:38] frog : Trade: yes but Im not sure that the price of the coin's will reflect the value
[2017-04-29 03:51:24] frog : xrp is token for transaction security, ripple removed there xrp wallet
[2017-04-29 03:52:27] frog : they also have boatloads of them [xrp] not available
[2017-04-29 03:53:36] frog : imo btc and eth have best potential and ltc if charlie call pull something off may be good as well
[2017-04-29 03:55:39] frog : likely btc end up as store of value and alts useful for other things like small transactions, payment systems etc
[2017-04-29 04:01:33] wiz : no asks in LTC orderbook at all
[2017-04-29 04:01:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTCM17`: buy 784 @ 0.01235
[2017-04-29 04:02:47] frog : liquidation in progress for ltc short
[2017-04-29 04:04:26] Trade : I wanted to make some LTC trades here, but I can't make the #'s work
[2017-04-29 04:05:08] frog : Trade: it pretty much impossible to trade here
[2017-04-29 04:05:57] Trade : XBTUSD is ok
[2017-04-29 04:06:31] frog : BTC is fine tracks the index and has good liquidity
[2017-04-29 04:08:34] frog : it seems the mm's bots for ltc are ultra conservative
[2017-04-29 04:08:57] rugu : because of the high spread
[2017-04-29 04:09:47] frog : very high for any decent volume, the 7 day was often over 5% if you wanted more than 20 contracts
[2017-04-29 04:11:54] frog : if bitmex had better liquidity and tighter spreads for ltc there would be a lot more trading volume
[2017-04-29 04:12:25] rugu : thats a very chicken and the egg type problem
[2017-04-29 04:13:38] frog : yes... very chikun like
[2017-04-29 04:14:45] frog : maybe opportunity for mm to corner the ltc market here
[2017-04-29 04:15:23] Trade : Are we talking about Traders here running MM Bots or BitMEX running their own?
[2017-04-29 04:15:34] frog : anyone
[2017-04-29 04:15:54] Trade : any conflict for an Exchange to run their own MM Bots?
[2017-04-29 04:15:59] frog : i know i would have done a lot more trades and i'm pretty sure other would as well
[2017-04-29 04:16:41] frog : bitmex don't run their own and yes potential for stop hunting etc
[2017-04-29 04:17:30] Trade : always felt OKC washed out everyones stops at times
[2017-04-29 04:17:35] mark121 : /sentiment
[2017-04-29 04:17:37] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 54.77 / 45.23 Daily : 55.08 / 44.92 Weekly : 48.95 / 51.05 Monthly : 46.28 / 53.72```
[2017-04-29 04:17:58] frog : Trade: yes i think it was official policy there
[2017-04-29 04:26:18] Trade : I don't use stops anymore due to OKCoin.com, lol. I just keep my maintenance margin at good level.
[2017-04-29 04:27:09] biz : gdax going for it
[2017-04-29 04:27:17] biz : come on stamp. join in
[2017-04-29 04:27:26] Trade : ya, BTC getting ready to go again. Not a fan of weekend rallies tho
[2017-04-29 04:28:07] Trade : too thin, fall apart
[2017-04-29 04:32:14] frog : Trade: same with me
[2017-04-29 04:32:33] frog : stops are like guaranteed loss points
[2017-04-29 04:32:49] frog : in volatile markets anywat
[2017-04-29 04:33:25] frog : isolated margin better......
[2017-04-29 04:38:15] DanLar75 : mm bots are cool, as long as they act according to the same contract on both sides.
[2017-04-29 04:40:28] Jsgh : STAMP sucks
[2017-04-29 04:43:35] Jsgh : /price
[2017-04-29 04:43:37] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1332.89 (0.21%) Bitfinex : 1420.00 (0.73%) OKCоin : 1260.32 (0.87%) itBit : 1346.14 (0.24%) Kraken : 1327.45 (0.38%) GDAX : 1362.89 (0.81%) SLQ : 1 hour, 45 mins```
[2017-04-29 04:43:54] Trade : lol. I read rumours they may add Kraken to the mix
[2017-04-29 04:44:12] Jsgh : it would be nice to have more than two in the index
[2017-04-29 04:45:12] Trade : moving now
[2017-04-29 04:45:36] Trade : quick fake, lol
[2017-04-29 04:46:56] DrNiki : /price
[2017-04-29 04:46:59] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1332.88 (0.00%) Bitfinex : 1421.70 (0.12%) OKCоin : 1263.51 (0.25%) itBit : 1347.13 (0.07%) Kraken : 1327.54 (0.01%) GDAX : 1361.78 (-0.08%) SLQ : 3 mins```
[2017-04-29 04:47:09] irvingtrader : /sentiment
[2017-04-29 04:47:11] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 58.43 / 41.57 Daily : 54.83 / 45.17 Weekly : 48.94 / 51.06 Monthly : 46.28 / 53.72```
[2017-04-29 05:08:37] biz : ETC heading back up
[2017-04-29 05:10:58] mdsmm : good morning
[2017-04-29 05:11:03] mdsmm : is etc tradable
[2017-04-29 05:11:06] mdsmm : got a free dayyyy
[2017-04-29 05:11:14] mdsmm : enough,volume
[2017-04-29 05:11:17] mdsmm : ?
[2017-04-29 05:11:31] mdsmm : lol the spread
[2017-04-29 05:15:14] biz : tough to day trade
[2017-04-29 05:38:33] Ahhere : Bit cheap here
[2017-04-29 05:38:47] Ahhere : /price
[2017-04-29 05:38:49] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1328.97 (-0.29%) Bitfinex : 1422.70 (0.07%) OKCоin : 1264.80 (0.10%) itBit : 1344.98 (-0.16%) Kraken : 1329.00 (0.11%) GDAX : 1362.41 (0.05%) SLQ : 51 mins```
[2017-04-29 05:42:46] atlanta : Morning boys
[2017-04-29 05:43:06] Ahhere : atlanta: hi
[2017-04-29 05:43:06] atlanta : ETH been having fun i see
[2017-04-29 05:43:28] atlanta : Ahhere: What are we looking at today mate?
[2017-04-29 05:44:54] Ahhere : Hmmm btc
[2017-04-29 05:45:49] Ahhere : Nice bounce yesterday
[2017-04-29 05:46:03] Ahhere : When do we get the stamp ath
[2017-04-29 05:46:26] atlanta : Yes it did bounce quite well idd
[2017-04-29 05:54:10] Ahhere : Now pump or weekend dump
[2017-04-29 05:54:37] atlanta : Id appreciate a ETH dump so i can trade my BTC To ETH
[2017-04-29 05:54:47] atlanta : .04 would be nice
[2017-04-29 05:55:02] atlanta : I think its coming and bitcoin will probably rally
[2017-04-29 05:55:07] Ahhere : 0.02 wud be lovely
[2017-04-29 05:55:14] atlanta : Bounce shows a lot of confidence
[2017-04-29 05:55:28] atlanta : honestely yesterday i thought BTC was due for a correction now, but its just not happening
[2017-04-29 05:56:41] Trade : /price
[2017-04-29 05:56:42] Ahhere : Yeah demand is strongk
[2017-04-29 05:56:43] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1325.77 (-0.24%) Bitfinex : 1422.30 (-0.03%) OKCоin : 1260.60 (-0.33%) itBit : 1341.64 (-0.25%) Kraken : 1333.94 (0.37%) GDAX : 1360.75 (-0.12%) SLQ : 17 mins```
[2017-04-29 05:57:02] Ahhere : Gdax and stamp so far apart now too
[2017-04-29 05:57:15] Trade : Stamp perma low
[2017-04-29 05:57:30] Trade : OKC in another world
[2017-04-29 05:58:01] Ahhere : Yeah
[2017-04-29 05:59:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRPM17`: buy 1800 @ 0.00004382
[2017-04-29 05:59:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRPM17`: buy 5000 @ 0.00004379
[2017-04-29 05:59:18] Ahhere : If demand is there ppl will shop on stamp
[2017-04-29 06:18:15] Trade : /price
[2017-04-29 06:18:17] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1327.65 (0.14%) Bitfinex : 1417.60 (-0.33%) OKCоin : 1257.00 (-0.29%) itBit : 1340.81 (-0.06%) Kraken : 1327.41 (-0.49%) GDAX : 1355.93 (-0.35%) SLQ : 21 mins```
[2017-04-29 06:36:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRPM17`: buy 12000 @ 0.00004631
[2017-04-29 06:46:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRPM17`: sell 202 @ 0.00004544
[2017-04-29 06:47:17] mark121 : http://time.com/4757085/otto-warmbier-north-korea/
[2017-04-29 06:47:54] rugu : oh ya this guy
[2017-04-29 06:48:00] rugu : lol, what an idiot
[2017-04-29 06:48:00] mark121 : i want to go there, i may do it for real
[2017-04-29 06:48:30] mark121 : but id travel with a former yugsolav country passport
[2017-04-29 06:48:39] mark121 : or canadian
[2017-04-29 06:48:53] rugu : get a South Korea passport and go
[2017-04-29 06:49:10] mark121 : ohand llook at ripple go
[2017-04-29 06:49:30] atlanta : Morning Mark
[2017-04-29 06:49:31] atlanta : my man
[2017-04-29 06:49:35] atlanta : you ETH short+
[2017-04-29 06:49:40] mark121 : yea
[2017-04-29 06:49:41] atlanta : Its coming down as we speak
[2017-04-29 06:49:59] rugu : not by much
[2017-04-29 06:50:00] mark121 : i closed yesterday and longed a bit and now shorted from top
[2017-04-29 06:50:10] atlanta : I woke up in the middle of the night
[2017-04-29 06:50:14] rugu : cross or isolated?
[2017-04-29 06:50:15] atlanta : sold my long at .0565
[2017-04-29 06:50:25] rugu : i keep getting confused, which one to use for leverage
[2017-04-29 06:50:31] mark121 : either
[2017-04-29 06:50:41] mark121 : cross is basically automatic leverage
[2017-04-29 06:50:56] mark121 : and so if u use ur whole avail amt
[2017-04-29 06:51:02] mark121 : ul be max leverage
[2017-04-29 06:51:09] rugu : ya understood that part but
[2017-04-29 06:51:21] rugu : which one seems better, I forgot to put stop losses at times :D
[2017-04-29 06:51:35] mark121 : that question doesnt make sense rly
[2017-04-29 06:51:45] atlanta : Mark, whats your TP for eth
[2017-04-29 06:51:48] mark121 : i mean it depends
[2017-04-29 06:52:08] rugu : ok so say I got 1btc, and opening a trade in eth
[2017-04-29 06:52:10] mark121 : atlanta: im looking for least 2 thousandths
[2017-04-29 06:52:19] mark121 : did u short from 56
[2017-04-29 06:52:25] mark121 : atlanta
[2017-04-29 06:52:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHM17`: sell 90 @ 0.05353
[2017-04-29 06:52:37] mark121 : rugu: thats not what makes the diff
[2017-04-29 06:52:40] atlanta : Nah, just closed went back to sleep. Opened a small shortj ust now
[2017-04-29 06:53:01] mark121 : rugu it comes down to a factor of your confidence and willingness to endure wrongside
[2017-04-29 06:53:09] mark121 : and amt of positions
[2017-04-29 06:53:12] atlanta : What do you mean by 2k. .035?
[2017-04-29 06:53:42] mark121 : tenths, hundreths, thousandths (decimal places, .1 .01 .001)
[2017-04-29 06:54:10] mark121 : i dont have a hard target atlanta
[2017-04-29 06:54:12] rugu : understood the whole, it depends on your confidence
[2017-04-29 06:54:23] rugu : but ballpark ?
[2017-04-29 06:54:38] mark121 : when i say amt of positions i mean amount of diff contracts
[2017-04-29 06:54:57] mark121 : so lets say u are long BTC and shorted ripple
[2017-04-29 06:55:11] mark121 : ur long in btc is up and in profit
[2017-04-29 06:55:53] mark121 : but barely, so its green lets say 10% roe if u closed at mark
[2017-04-29 06:55:55] rugu : wont all of this eventually get reflected in margin used and net leverage used?
[2017-04-29 06:56:17] mark121 : now ur thinking is a massive rally for btc
[2017-04-29 06:56:40] mark121 : now. onto your xrp trade
[2017-04-29 06:57:07] mark121 : u open it with lets say .5 btc left in available (after opening the xrp)
[2017-04-29 06:57:21] mark121 : and ur using cross
[2017-04-29 06:57:57] rugu : thats like 90-100% margin used
[2017-04-29 06:57:58] mark121 : now.. the effective leverage of ur btc trade shud be considerablylow
[2017-04-29 06:58:27] mark121 : then u notice ur xrp short is gettin away from u
[2017-04-29 06:58:31] mark121 : but u hold
[2017-04-29 06:58:43] mark121 : u got available funds (so it seems safe)
[2017-04-29 06:59:07] mark121 : as it gets away ur available funds get used up quite quick if the move is strong
[2017-04-29 06:59:31] mark121 : all of a sudden btc temp dips to 0% profit )
[2017-04-29 06:59:44] rugu : *panic*
[2017-04-29 06:59:52] mark121 : ^ ensues
[2017-04-29 06:59:53] podizzle3k : what is this rekt porn
[2017-04-29 07:00:14] mark121 : the problem now lies
[2017-04-29 07:00:21] mark121 : in tyrin to free available funding
[2017-04-29 07:00:38] rugu : yup yup, cut the loss!
[2017-04-29 07:00:41] mark121 : as u kno BTC will recover and fly (or as close to knowin as possible) u consider ir ur main trade
[2017-04-29 07:00:56] rugu : basically what available balance would you keep minimum
[2017-04-29 07:01:11] mark121 : but trimin that xrp losing position is terribly destructive
[2017-04-29 07:01:12] mark121 : and costly
[2017-04-29 07:01:32] rugu : like a -20% roe
[2017-04-29 07:01:48] mark121 : it skind of nothin at first.. barely anything... all of a sudden TSUNAMI
[2017-04-29 07:02:21] mark121 : so cross can be difficult to manage in situations that this story is hypotehtically in now
[2017-04-29 07:02:44] rugu : without stop losses, yes
[2017-04-29 07:02:57] mark121 : forget stop losses
[2017-04-29 07:02:59] mark121 : for the moment
[2017-04-29 07:03:17] mark121 : or even with one, u may not get a fill
[2017-04-29 07:03:36] mark121 : alow me to continue
[2017-04-29 07:03:49] rugu : ok
[2017-04-29 07:03:49] mark121 : .. its hard to kno what the right move is if ur in that spot
[2017-04-29 07:04:09] atlanta : Rugu try to play around with the calcilator
[2017-04-29 07:04:11] atlanta : calculator*
[2017-04-29 07:04:14] mark121 : all of a sudden ur profitable btc trade is tetering between profit and loss
[2017-04-29 07:04:25] mark121 : and uve noticed ur liquidation price is MUCH higher
[2017-04-29 07:04:37] mark121 : its like a cascading affect
[2017-04-29 07:04:48] podizzle3k : i already finished
[2017-04-29 07:05:00] mark121 : if u close ur btc trade
[2017-04-29 07:05:23] podizzle3k : i was done at TSUNAMI
[2017-04-29 07:05:33] mark121 : great, u got margin at nearly 1:1 rate (assuming u trim at BE price)
[2017-04-29 07:06:03] mark121 : but really uve now putyourself in danger of losing everything in a trade on an alt that u really only wanted to dabble in
[2017-04-29 07:06:21] mark121 : in other words
[2017-04-29 07:06:50] rugu : im screwed
[2017-04-29 07:06:51] mark121 : it can requires on-the-fly analysis of both assets and this is difficult even for skilled trades if they are caught
[2017-04-29 07:06:55] mark121 : that too
[2017-04-29 07:07:10] mark121 : now rewind a bit
[2017-04-29 07:07:16] mark121 : if u do it other way
[2017-04-29 07:07:32] mark121 : the probem is the diminishing returns on trimming the xrp position
[2017-04-29 07:07:50] rugu : cut part of the position to lower your liquidation price?
[2017-04-29 07:08:14] mark121 : (not selling btc but buying the xrp)
[2017-04-29 07:08:22] mark121 : sry i shud have clarified
[2017-04-29 07:08:38] rugu : but xrp also in losses
[2017-04-29 07:08:41] mark121 : continued from trimming xrp position..
[2017-04-29 07:08:49] mark121 : yes it is
[2017-04-29 07:09:09] mark121 : so in a perfect world ud prob want to toss that one and keep the btc
[2017-04-29 07:09:15] mark121 : holding thru the lil dip for the glory times
[2017-04-29 07:09:48] mark121 : but conitnuing now from ... 'the xrp position...'
[2017-04-29 07:10:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRPM17`: sell 15000 @ 0.00004463
[2017-04-29 07:10:10] mark121 : as it gets away
[2017-04-29 07:10:41] mark121 : ofc the diminishing returns get wors and worse but each time u trim ur total xbt goes down
[2017-04-29 07:11:12] mark121 : *but = and
[2017-04-29 07:11:43] mark121 : on my play arnd account ive been surprised by just how quickly
[2017-04-29 07:11:50] mark121 : things cna go from
[2017-04-29 07:12:01] mark121 : peachy to "this is fine" (fire eveyrwhere)
[2017-04-29 07:12:05] mark121 : to liquidation
[2017-04-29 07:12:11] rugu : like my xrp position just got
[2017-04-29 07:12:13] rugu : in issues
[2017-04-29 07:12:24] mark121 : the pt of my rambling is that
[2017-04-29 07:12:40] rugu : i was at +100% roe when you started, and now -15%
[2017-04-29 07:13:06] mark121 : cross has unlimited risk compared to isolated
[2017-04-29 07:13:14] mark121 : ofc
[2017-04-29 07:13:25] mark121 : but rly its much more deceiving
[2017-04-29 07:13:30] rugu : just lost 115% roe during this :(
[2017-04-29 07:13:35] mark121 : :(
[2017-04-29 07:13:44] mark121 : the problem is
[2017-04-29 07:13:53] mark121 : if ur holding profit for more profit basically
[2017-04-29 07:14:07] mark121 : it seems "wow i got so much avail funds"
[2017-04-29 07:14:34] mark121 : so u open some other trade, not because it sa good trade
[2017-04-29 07:14:39] rugu : i think if I hit over 80% roe, i will just cash out and not be greedy
[2017-04-29 07:15:05] atlanta : ETH taking a hit
[2017-04-29 07:15:24] mark121 : but because ur bored, greedy, emotional and most likely feel like ur here and trading so u shud trade
[2017-04-29 07:15:56] mark121 : u make bogus moves, that epxoentially increase ur risk
[2017-04-29 07:16:24] rugu : so when do you decide to cash out your trades
[2017-04-29 07:16:31] mdsmm : if you don't know what you're doing, just don't take high leverage. And you can always keep^the currency until it is i profit.. even if it takes a few days. Have a bit of patience. Just don't buy overbought coins, and sell in time. Unless you're a long term guy
[2017-04-29 07:16:45] mark121 : it may sound like im talking obviousness but ive in my life (and ive met prob thousands..)
[2017-04-29 07:17:18] rugu : my work can get very intense durng the day, so I cant monitor my positions well
[2017-04-29 07:17:34] mark121 : met at best , 1 person that actually didnt require these things that all good traders and lifelong traders whole dear to happen personally to him in order to understand the harsh reality behind advice u can find easily
[2017-04-29 07:18:07] atlanta : 9/10 people lose money on trading
[2017-04-29 07:18:09] mark121 : in others words, nearly every1 needs to walk the walk
[2017-04-29 07:18:24] mark121 : even if they can repeat the best rules or strategies from memory
[2017-04-29 07:18:38] mark121 : 90/90/90 rule
[2017-04-29 07:18:54] rugu : iv been neutral over 2 weeks now
[2017-04-29 07:19:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHM17`: sell 200 @ 0.05328
[2017-04-29 07:19:07] mark121 : 90% of traders will lose 90% of their trading money in the first 90 days
[2017-04-29 07:19:42] emcor : mark121: i lost 3k in my first trading time, then i made 18k after
[2017-04-29 07:19:52] mdsmm : haha, actually true. You start over confident wanting to live the millionaire live and then get fucked
[2017-04-29 07:20:02] mdsmm : Same @emcor hahaha, I lost 3.5k
[2017-04-29 07:20:10] mdsmm : now making money tho
[2017-04-29 07:20:13] rugu : or violently caressed depending on your lev
[2017-04-29 07:20:27] mark121 : i lost 75k my first year in equities
[2017-04-29 07:20:34] rugu : $?
[2017-04-29 07:20:35] mark121 : over 10 years ago
[2017-04-29 07:20:38] mdsmm : mark121: wow haha
[2017-04-29 07:20:51] atlanta : gg
[2017-04-29 07:21:17] mark121 : next year i made like 4% profit
[2017-04-29 07:21:22] mark121 : so net down still
[2017-04-29 07:21:38] mark121 : year after that i made 400k in 2 months (rest of year was around BE)
[2017-04-29 07:22:16] mark121 : so since then i never was negativ again
[2017-04-29 07:22:34] mdsmm : not bad
[2017-04-29 07:22:36] mark121 : now the issue with analysis like that
[2017-04-29 07:23:05] mark121 : i lost for variious reasons that bad year
[2017-04-29 07:23:19] mark121 : but the market conditions changed drastically form 1st to 3rd
[2017-04-29 07:23:32] rugu : like now im at 62% margin with 8.38x lev. Damn xrp drop !!
[2017-04-29 07:23:53] mdsmm : we might peak more on xrp
[2017-04-29 07:23:56] mdsmm : watch peak before
[2017-04-29 07:23:59] mdsmm : few weeks ago
[2017-04-29 07:24:09] rugu : ya hoping on that, I got a small sell at 0.00005
[2017-04-29 07:24:10] mark121 : i started that rally !
[2017-04-29 07:24:24] mark121 : few weeks ago
[2017-04-29 07:24:32] mark121 : (im 95% joking)
[2017-04-29 07:24:41] mark121 : but literally i made a 5btc buy on polo
[2017-04-29 07:24:41] rugu : so 60% margin at 7.6x not bad enough to start them trimming
[2017-04-29 07:24:44] mark121 : in the 600's
[2017-04-29 07:25:00] mdsmm : you still holding?
[2017-04-29 07:25:09] mark121 : in real coin yes
[2017-04-29 07:25:26] mdsmm : on what wallet are you holding it?
[2017-04-29 07:25:36] mark121 : i dont divuldge
[2017-04-29 07:25:37] mdsmm : was looking for it a week ago
[2017-04-29 07:25:52] mark121 : im very paranoid
[2017-04-29 07:25:56] mdsmm : just the company, not your ID haha
[2017-04-29 07:26:01] mark121 : as my friends and I got hit
[2017-04-29 07:26:06] mark121 : a while ago
[2017-04-29 07:26:22] mark121 : mostly my friend but we had to cover his losses
[2017-04-29 07:26:36] mdsmm : awtgch
[2017-04-29 07:27:07] mark121 : we did the math, ended up all getting a2nd ISP
[2017-04-29 07:27:21] mark121 : i dont trade value form this acct or ISP lol
[2017-04-29 07:27:57] mark121 : infact this acct started as a time killing acct we all chipped into when we had change (not full integers) when withdrawing btc
[2017-04-29 07:28:51] mark121 : theres another reason for an accont like that but il save that for a more private chat
[2017-04-29 07:30:35] mark121 : none of us know the hacking side of PC/tech well enough to kno what measures we cud take without complete isolation of trading accts
[2017-04-29 07:31:14] rugu : multiple email ids and enable *pgp* is a good start
[2017-04-29 07:31:37] rugu : which means you don't use gmail as your client, but idk how many exchanges let you use pgp communication
[2017-04-29 07:31:54] rugu : its a very safe, encryption layer on all email and communications from servers
[2017-04-29 07:32:01] mark121 : i kno pgp
[2017-04-29 07:32:06] mark121 : but in his case
[2017-04-29 07:32:22] mark121 : it seems somehow the hacker or hackers used his cache
[2017-04-29 07:32:32] rugu : thats a malware
[2017-04-29 07:32:51] rugu : no other way, it accesses local storage and goes to the cache allocated to his trading website
[2017-04-29 07:32:54] Labowski : /price
[2017-04-29 07:32:58] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1322.08 (-0.42%) Bitfinex : 1413.10 (-0.32%) OKCоin : 1258.68 (0.13%) itBit : 1333.88 (-0.52%) Kraken : 1321.57 (-0.44%) GDAX : 1352.00 (-0.29%) SLQ : 1 hour, 14 mins```
[2017-04-29 07:33:08] mark121 : well
[2017-04-29 07:33:09] rugu : which may contains tokens
[2017-04-29 07:33:28] mark121 : he had VPN, he had Spyware S+D passive and active protection
[2017-04-29 07:33:34] rugu : lol
[2017-04-29 07:33:35] mark121 : malware bytes ran
[2017-04-29 07:33:45] rugu : then idk how someone goes through all that
[2017-04-29 07:34:29] mark121 : but i do know his VPN ..erm whts the word, etiquette ya, his vpn etiquette wasn't up to par
[2017-04-29 07:34:33] rugu : I have done basic dev work on ecies encryption (used in bitcoin) etc., but never come across these kind of attacks
[2017-04-29 07:34:51] atlanta : I used to develop malware back in my young days
[2017-04-29 07:34:58] rugu : technically, vpn need not be used for tradin accounts as long as its legal in his area
[2017-04-29 07:34:59] atlanta : oh boy, what a thrill
[2017-04-29 07:35:15] mark121 : vpn was used for hacker protection
[2017-04-29 07:35:22] mark121 : or so we thought
[2017-04-29 07:36:26] mark121 : atlanta: interesting!
[2017-04-29 07:36:27] rugu : idk much about how vpn re-routing works
[2017-04-29 07:36:36] rugu : maybe it was Atlanta?
[2017-04-29 07:36:42] atlanta : of course it was me
[2017-04-29 07:37:13] mark121 : the hackers made contact briefly
[2017-04-29 07:37:36] mark121 : i cant be100% sure but id be surprised if he wud have made it up
[2017-04-29 07:37:48] mark121 : or hacker rather
[2017-04-29 07:38:52] mark121 : cant recall the exact phrasing but
[2017-04-29 07:39:23] atlanta : mark121: If you are still curious i can try to explain what happened if you give me more information. Just hit me up on tradingview
[2017-04-29 07:39:33] mark121 : sumtin about how it was for the btc only
[2017-04-29 07:39:40] mark121 : and noit his identity etc
[2017-04-29 07:39:53] mark121 : "ethical" hacker :p
[2017-04-29 07:40:38] mark121 : atlanta:good to kno ya id like to learn more obut that side of things
[2017-04-29 07:40:51] mark121 : ive been building PC's since like 11 or 12
[2017-04-29 07:40:53] Tommy : mark121: Does minimizing the number of plugins in browsers or using Linux reduce the risk?
[2017-04-29 07:41:18] atlanta : People need to take security more seriously when it comes to cryptoland
[2017-04-29 07:41:19] mark121 : i think unequiovacly yes
[2017-04-29 07:41:31] mark121 : @tommy thats to u
[2017-04-29 07:42:00] Tommy : mark121: When I make a deposit to an exchange, I make sure I see the same address in 2 different browsers.
[2017-04-29 07:42:49] atlanta : Tommy: that's a good rule of thumb, but browser html injection is quite easy on multiple clients
[2017-04-29 07:43:12] mark121 : heh always good to be safe but i dont.... nvm atlanta said it
[2017-04-29 07:43:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRPM17`: sell 20000 @ 0.00004273
[2017-04-29 07:43:30] atlanta : Tommy: so it depends on wether the malware is injecting through a addon or a proces running on the OS
[2017-04-29 07:43:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASHM17`: buy 2 @ 0.069825
[2017-04-29 07:44:03] Tommy : atlanta: Sometimes I use 2 computers at the same time too.
[2017-04-29 07:44:11] atlanta : Tommy: Running Linux / OSX greatly mitigates the chances of this
[2017-04-29 07:44:21] atlanta : Tommy: If you run two different OS at the same time, you are golden
[2017-04-29 07:44:34] mark121 : gota think of security like an onion
[2017-04-29 07:44:51] Tommy : atlanta: I have a Linux main machine and a Windows one (so that I can use a free VPN).
[2017-04-29 07:45:04] mark121 : the issue with relyin on etiquette like that (not saying u do)
[2017-04-29 07:45:21] Tommy : But I don't generate API keys as I am too paranoid.
[2017-04-29 07:45:23] atlanta : Tommy: all good then, just make sure the two machines doesn't share anything :)
[2017-04-29 07:45:32] mark121 : is that ur alrdy near the center of the onion
[2017-04-29 07:46:16] mark121 : im not qualifyin to give technical reasoning but i imagine outside of a phishing site
[2017-04-29 07:46:44] mark121 : if a hacker cud b changing what u see on ur wallet address's etc - hed be skilled enuf to get u other ways
[2017-04-29 07:47:05] atlanta : mark121: hehe mark, that's not really true
[2017-04-29 07:47:18] mark121 : plz do tell
[2017-04-29 07:47:30] mark121 : that half why i said it
[2017-04-29 07:47:34] mark121 : at the least
[2017-04-29 07:47:45] Tommy : If an exchange uses email confirmation showing your withdrawal address, I guess it's also difficult to hack too?
[2017-04-29 07:47:59] Tommy : You can check your email using different devices.
[2017-04-29 07:48:01] mark121 : ya that wud be multiple hacks
[2017-04-29 07:48:05] zqooN : What is this? Paranoid friday again?
[2017-04-29 07:48:17] mark121 : jus discussion zqooN
[2017-04-29 07:48:18] mark121 : :p
[2017-04-29 07:48:21] atlanta : mark121: well if we assume a malware injecting HTML to change the wallet address of deposit, we are simply talking about a program to inject HTML in browser clients. Developing and deploying this is not that hard at all. Assuming a person being able to do this, can get you other ways is wrong.
[2017-04-29 07:48:43] mark121 : im not referin to automatic process of malware
[2017-04-29 07:49:00] mark121 : im referin to like a realtime hack if that sa thing Lol
[2017-04-29 07:49:07] atlanta : mark121: like a RAT?
[2017-04-29 07:49:35] Tommy : It may be easier to reroute your DNS requests to fake an exchange?
[2017-04-29 07:49:40] mark121 : heh u tell me but most of what im sayin is not malware lvl stuff
[2017-04-29 07:50:01] Tommy : Most of the time, I don't check the SSL cert of the exchanges. Could be a problem.
[2017-04-29 07:50:39] atlanta : Look boys, i wouldn't worry so much about this. Just dont be stupid
[2017-04-29 07:50:58] mark121 : im not worried:)
[2017-04-29 07:51:02] mark121 : jus curious
[2017-04-29 07:51:11] atlanta : If you are dealing with large quantities or you are heavily invested. Make sure to take precautions.
[2017-04-29 07:51:33] atlanta : If you dont know what that means, pay someone.
[2017-04-29 07:52:45] mark121 : that kinda thing , PC cleaninless and behavior, i kno quite well
[2017-04-29 07:52:54] mark121 : its the backend, the real hacking stuff that i dont
[2017-04-29 07:52:57] Tommy : atlanta: I think the most important thing is to use a clean computer and don't do stupid thing on the one you use to trade.
[2017-04-29 07:53:40] mark121 : yeee
[2017-04-29 07:53:56] mark121 : rugu: did u close ur xrp trade in profit
[2017-04-29 07:54:21] mark121 : or was that the rekt, u said somehin about 60%
[2017-04-29 07:54:53] Tommy : I can't imaging trading altcoins with more than 3x really.
[2017-04-29 07:54:56] mark121 : bulltraps in alts set
[2017-04-29 07:55:07] mark121 : time for supermoon in btc? :p