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[2017-04-29 01:29:34] oo : if you trade XRP, you're gonna suffer from lack of volume
[2017-04-29 01:34:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHM17`: sell 5 @ 0.05425
[2017-04-29 01:34:58] Trade : wonder how long they'll give quarterlies a go before switching back to monthly. Expiration I guess?
[2017-04-29 01:35:09] biz : most likely
[2017-04-29 01:35:17] biz : they should have talked to the only guy that quotes
[2017-04-29 01:35:24] Dnavid : /price
[2017-04-29 01:35:26] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1336.23 (-0.28%) Bitfinex : 1415.80 (-0.32%) OKCоin : 1252.64 (-0.18%) itBit : 1348.96 (-0.22%) Kraken : 1339.00 (-0.01%) GDAX : 1359.98 (0.00%) SLQ : 19 mins```
[2017-04-29 01:35:43] biz : or maybe the order book is working as designed
[2017-04-29 01:36:01] biz : XRP continues climbing no way for shorts to exit
[2017-04-29 01:37:41] biz : banks finally adopting XRP or some shit?
[2017-04-29 01:38:00] biz : must have missed the news
[2017-04-29 01:38:38] oo : difficult for long to exit too
[2017-04-29 01:40:35] podizzle3k : huh?
[2017-04-29 01:40:42] podizzle3k : theres 300k contract bids stacked
[2017-04-29 01:41:05] podizzle3k : how many millions u got
[2017-04-29 01:42:01] podizzle3k : im pretty sure the only reason xrp and zec goin up is barry buying up for his ripple & zcash trust funds
[2017-04-29 01:42:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `GNOM17`: buy 6 @ 0.092138
[2017-04-29 01:42:03] oo : 300k is not enough
[2017-04-29 01:43:35] rapidtrades : GNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[2017-04-29 01:44:20] rapidtrades : LIMIT REACHED AND GOD BLESS AMERICA
[2017-04-29 01:44:41] podizzle3k : haha i sold 6 for .099
[2017-04-29 01:44:49] podizzle3k : not bad
[2017-04-29 01:44:57] rapidtrades : bye bye weak hand
[2017-04-29 01:46:57] oo : i entered 400k short position last week on XRP.
[2017-04-29 01:47:05] oo : Even though it wasn't such a big deal, I couldn't do anything when I had to exit. I had no choice but to wait for the expiration date.
[2017-04-29 01:47:28] biz : GNO has never been higher than 0.1 lol rip shorts
[2017-04-29 01:48:08] rapidtrades : poor fellas, they didn't gno what was coming to them
[2017-04-29 01:49:15] rapidtrades : next limit up in 12 mins
[2017-04-29 01:49:48] biz : gonna be rektciting
[2017-04-29 01:50:49] podizzle3k : sell books lookin thin
[2017-04-29 01:51:03] rapidtrades : over 10% premium on LTC futures
[2017-04-29 01:51:07] rapidtrades : take it while u can
[2017-04-29 01:51:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRPM17`: buy 1000 @ 0.00003966
[2017-04-29 01:52:02] rapidtrades : 67% annualized right now
[2017-04-29 01:53:11] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 6000 @ 1344.6
[2017-04-29 01:55:54] oo : wowo we should go to kraken and buy gnosis
[2017-04-29 01:56:56] rapidtrades : too late
[2017-04-29 01:56:59] rapidtrades : or everyone who participated successfully in the token sale, GNO tokens will be credited to their Ethereum addresses on May 1, 17:19:49 UTC.
[2017-04-29 01:57:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 100000 @ 1348.7 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2017-04-29 01:57:40] rapidtrades : clear ur may day ppl! it will be wild
[2017-04-29 01:57:46] biz : lol
[2017-04-29 01:57:59] biz : rip quarterly premium
[2017-04-29 01:58:58] rapidtrades : https://blog.gnosis.pm/thanks-thoughts-and-the-road-ahead-6f7e3bd2fbc4
[2017-04-29 01:59:04] rapidtrades : ^ blog update
[2017-04-29 01:59:12] rapidtrades : MANY MANY THINGS COMING
[2017-04-29 01:59:15] rapidtrades : THE BEST THINGS
[2017-04-29 01:59:34] rapidtrades : that's gotta be worth 2x I think?
[2017-04-29 01:59:41] rapidtrades : worked for LTC
[2017-04-29 02:00:11] biz : no GNO fomo
[2017-04-29 02:00:15] biz : i'm bummed
[2017-04-29 02:00:31] rapidtrades : its 4 am :)
[2017-04-29 02:01:23] rapidtrades : that blog update should get us to 0.2
[2017-04-29 02:01:44] rapidtrades : hope he tweets soon, that's another 0.1 right there
[2017-04-29 02:02:00] rapidtrades : we could easily go to 0.3
[2017-04-29 02:03:25] biz : XRP exploding
[2017-04-29 02:03:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRPM17`: buy 300 @ 0.00004079
[2017-04-29 02:03:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRPM17`: buy 22729 @ 0.00004108
[2017-04-29 02:03:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 16009 @ 1341.8
[2017-04-29 02:04:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRPM17`: buy 34700 @ 0.00004142
[2017-04-29 02:04:34] irvingtrader : rapidtrades: in what crypto?
[2017-04-29 02:04:48] rapidtrades : GNO
[2017-04-29 02:04:51] irvingtrader : ty
[2017-04-29 02:04:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `GNOM17`: buy 105 @ 0.105228
[2017-04-29 02:04:59] irvingtrader : holy satan
[2017-04-29 02:05:20] irvingtrader : btc might go below 1334.7
[2017-04-29 02:05:27] irvingtrader : xbt srr
[2017-04-29 02:05:46] biz : nice xrp dump
[2017-04-29 02:05:50] rapidtrades : biz: there u go bro, soon limit up again
[2017-04-29 02:05:52] biz : 5%
[2017-04-29 02:05:59] biz : yeah i am happy now
[2017-04-29 02:06:14] irvingtrader : Any1 think XBT go below 1334.6?
[2017-04-29 02:06:31] rapidtrades : for sure
[2017-04-29 02:07:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `GNOM17`: buy 18 @ 0.117100
[2017-04-29 02:07:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `GNOM17`: buy 10 @ 0.118750
[2017-04-29 02:07:02] irvingtrader : lol lv 2 just loaded on buys...
[2017-04-29 02:07:03] biz : swap needs to be fixed
[2017-04-29 02:07:14] biz : price no where near where it should be
[2017-04-29 02:07:19] biz : oh nice more rekts
[2017-04-29 02:10:27] rapidtrades : noone wants to sell into that LIQ
[2017-04-29 02:10:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `GNOM17`: buy 1 @ 0.122255
[2017-04-29 02:10:37] rapidtrades : and lose their precious GNO
[2017-04-29 02:11:19] biz : it is at limit now
[2017-04-29 02:11:30] biz : next stop 0.155
[2017-04-29 02:11:53] rapidtrades : alright, see u in 2 hrs :)
[2017-04-29 02:11:58] rapidtrades : i was gonna sleep but f it
[2017-04-29 02:12:04] biz : lol
[2017-04-29 02:12:17] biz : most likely ADL + more shorts rekt
[2017-04-29 02:12:42] biz : with the way the distribution of the coins is there is no telling how high it'll be when first traded
[2017-04-29 02:13:11] biz : gnosis means knowledge of spiritual mysteries.
[2017-04-29 02:14:37] rapidtrades : exactly
[2017-04-29 02:14:43] rapidtrades : and that knowledge is priceless
[2017-04-29 02:15:07] biz : Speculate on anything with an easy-to-use prediction market.
[2017-04-29 02:15:19] biz : great. insider trading heaven
[2017-04-29 02:15:46] hmmmYea : /price
[2017-04-29 02:15:48] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1331.14 (-0.38%) Bitfinex : 1410.20 (-0.40%) OKCоin : 1254.01 (0.11%) itBit : 1343.60 (-0.40%) Kraken : 1332.91 (-0.45%) GDAX : 1354.15 (-0.43%) SLQ : 40 mins```
[2017-04-29 02:18:45] rapidtrades : wtf now we're $7 below index
[2017-04-29 02:19:26] Jsgh : not usually that big of spread. this one sucks
[2017-04-29 02:21:49] rapidtrades : this market is so f*cked
[2017-04-29 02:22:01] rapidtrades : nothing makes sense anymore
[2017-04-29 02:22:28] rapidtrades : buy some salvation and hope for the best!
[2017-04-29 02:22:59] wignodeer : rapidtrades: when is the next up limit on gnosis?
[2017-04-29 02:23:12] biz : 1 hour 37 minutes
[2017-04-29 02:23:16] rapidtrades : in 1h and 38 mins
[2017-04-29 02:23:21] wignodeer : rapidtrades: hmm
[2017-04-29 02:24:13] biz : if BTC takes a dump lol rip quarterlies
[2017-04-29 02:24:18] biz : no way to get out of longs
[2017-04-29 02:24:57] biz : orderbook is a mess
[2017-04-29 02:25:14] biz : someone just longed a lot at 1340 too
[2017-04-29 02:25:27] Trade : btc not very strong this move up
[2017-04-29 02:26:23] biz : anyone else watching quartlies
[2017-04-29 02:26:26] biz : that was so funny
[2017-04-29 02:26:28] biz : wtf is going on
[2017-04-29 02:26:34] biz : jumping $20
[2017-04-29 02:26:37] biz : up and down
[2017-04-29 02:26:44] Makimoto : some crazy stuff going on
[2017-04-29 02:27:16] biz : btc hasnt dumped in so long that so many stops and margin calls gonna be hit
[2017-04-29 02:27:32] rapidtrades : +1
[2017-04-29 02:27:37] rapidtrades : flash crash possible
[2017-04-29 02:28:03] slacknation : woohoo, i am still buying gno!
[2017-04-29 02:29:03] mofeta : gnosis, the is the first fomo of my life
[2017-04-29 02:33:51] Trade : biz: gave up on Quarterlies, just giving me a headache
[2017-04-29 02:33:56] Trade : checking spreads
[2017-04-29 02:34:20] biz : then swap is $7 lower
[2017-04-29 02:34:34] Trade : change all of the futures to derivative swaps plz, lol
[2017-04-29 02:35:03] biz : waiting on big bad bearwhale to dump btc if they ever show up
[2017-04-29 02:35:27] Trade : not watching the XBT Future really. What is the volume % XBT Future vs Swaps? I use swaps only
[2017-04-29 02:35:34] Trade : for BTC
[2017-04-29 02:35:55] Trade : but, market looks like it's going dwn
[2017-04-29 02:37:30] Trade : $7 lower than index?
[2017-04-29 02:39:00] biz : yeah
[2017-04-29 02:39:21] Trade : BitMEX Traders smarter that average market? ;)
[2017-04-29 02:39:28] Trade : getting a jump?
[2017-04-29 02:40:01] aethlios : june from 30 usd premium to -4 discount??
[2017-04-29 02:40:21] Trade : ah, yes I see now.
[2017-04-29 02:41:21] mark121 : /sentiment
[2017-04-29 02:41:23] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 59.54 / 40.46 Daily : 55.78 / 44.22 Weekly : 49.08 / 50.93 Monthly : 46.30 / 53.70```
[2017-04-29 02:42:45] micmix : my bot rebalanced position a bit on futures
[2017-04-29 02:43:31] Coconuter : thanks i was just cashing out gonna take a break from trading this nexts weeks
[2017-04-29 02:43:39] Coconuter : half position still open
[2017-04-29 02:43:44] Coconuter : MOON
[2017-04-29 02:44:04] rapidtrades : ive been fighting with btce mm all night
[2017-04-29 02:44:04] micmix : thanks Coconuter
[2017-04-29 02:44:10] Coconuter : cya
[2017-04-29 02:46:59] rapidgains : wut happened to gno lmao
[2017-04-29 02:47:20] biz : still being priced in
[2017-04-29 02:47:27] biz : predictive market going to be huge
[2017-04-29 02:47:39] biz : people moving billions in to do insider trading
[2017-04-29 02:47:54] biz : can't long enough GNO
[2017-04-29 02:48:02] biz : going to be ZEC but without the crash
[2017-04-29 02:48:21] micmix : lol @ people moving billions
[2017-04-29 02:50:04] rapidtrades : they laughed at Elon Musk too, now look where he is
[2017-04-29 02:50:57] rapidtrades : 1 GNO = 10 LTC right now
[2017-04-29 02:51:19] slacknation : gno is paying all my bills!
[2017-04-29 02:52:27] moonandgloom : So if the price on the index exchange hits the liquidation price but the mark price doesn't it still gets liquidated right?
[2017-04-29 02:52:34] biz : people having buyers remorse in LTC after reading about GNO
[2017-04-29 02:52:48] rapidtrades : moonandgloom: no, only mark matters
[2017-04-29 02:53:06] DrNiki : how come there was another test lol
[2017-04-29 02:53:12] biz : moonandgloom: mark price matters. but if current price is past your liquidation you cant close
[2017-04-29 02:53:18] DrNiki : i though it was an obvious short
[2017-04-29 02:53:26] DrNiki : it just didnt manage to rly break 1300
[2017-04-29 02:53:59] rapidtrades : wee're waiting for smth
[2017-04-29 02:54:03] moonandgloom : Thanks!
[2017-04-29 02:54:06] slacknation : when kraken starts trading, does mark price follow kraken's price?
[2017-04-29 02:54:08] rapidtrades : LTC markets very strange too
[2017-04-29 02:54:11] biz : fucking gdax holding the price up
[2017-04-29 02:54:21] biz : btc price
[2017-04-29 02:57:31] biz : quarterlies ruined trading for so many people
[2017-04-29 02:57:40] longbydefault : /price
[2017-04-29 02:57:42] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1330.09 (-0.08%) Bitfinex : 1409.70 (-0.04%) OKCоin : 1249.43 (-0.37%) itBit : 1342.98 (-0.05%) Kraken : 1322.42 (-0.79%) GDAX : 1352.00 (-0.16%) SLQ : 41 mins```
[2017-04-29 02:58:32] biz : guess it is okay on most coins now. MM needs to figure out LTC though
[2017-04-29 02:59:40] rapidtrades : LTC quaterlies are great, 66% annualized rn
[2017-04-29 03:00:01] biz : swap price back to where it should be
[2017-04-29 03:09:21] frog : rapidtrades: why ltc premium so high?
[2017-04-29 03:09:54] biz : because great things are happening soon
[2017-04-29 03:11:34] frog : it looks very attractive to short
[2017-04-29 03:11:49] Trade : how do you cover tho?
[2017-04-29 03:12:02] frog : polo
[2017-04-29 03:12:45] Trade : btc can't make up it's mind, wanting to go up. making me tired, lol
[2017-04-29 03:13:04] frog : only 2.5x though
[2017-04-29 03:13:29] Actualiteit : im so fucking clueless about btc rn jesus fucking christ
[2017-04-29 03:13:31] frog : with that leverage adl risk would be low
[2017-04-29 03:17:10] biz : someone buying on okc.cn
[2017-04-29 03:19:02] jalapeno : 1.5 billion valuation for gnosis now on futures..lol
[2017-04-29 03:19:19] biz : that'll go up in 41 minutes
[2017-04-29 03:19:24] biz : next round of rekting
[2017-04-29 03:19:28] aethlios : https://twitter.com/satoshilite/status/858007334471086080
[2017-04-29 03:20:01] Actualiteit : aethlios: how about charlie lee shut the fuck up about his precious shitcoin?
[2017-04-29 03:20:37] aethlios : Actualiteit: how about short ltc and get margin called in the ass??
[2017-04-29 03:20:57] Actualiteit : aethlios: how about I stay the helll away from ltc like I always do?
[2017-04-29 03:21:27] aethlios : Actualiteit: good for you, what's your problem with CL??
[2017-04-29 03:21:30] frog : aethlios: charlie probably want to unload some ltc
[2017-04-29 03:22:03] aethlios : CL has very a few ltc, has more money in btc.
[2017-04-29 03:22:04] Actualiteit : aethlios: idk He seems like the biggest bagholder ever in crypto desperate to unload his stash
[2017-04-29 03:22:13] Actualiteit : and he has a fat face
[2017-04-29 03:22:38] frog : aethlios: why doesn't he own?
[2017-04-29 03:22:42] aethlios : no bagholders in crypto, all coins make new highs. don't eat the propaganda.
[2017-04-29 03:23:09] aethlios : frog: do you know how ltc started?? go check the history.
[2017-04-29 03:26:00] aethlios : ltc above 100 prior to halving.
[2017-04-29 03:26:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMRM17`: sell 40 @ 0.017737
[2017-04-29 03:28:41] frog : aethlios: what am i missing?
[2017-04-29 03:28:47] biz : BTC should explode once stamp stops holding us back
[2017-04-29 03:29:25] frog : he want to create coin for small transactions
[2017-04-29 03:30:07] frog : and hopefully gpu mining would be sustainable
[2017-04-29 03:31:29] aethlios : http://coinmarketcap.com/charts/ btc is disappearing boys, 61% now. soon eth market cap will be #1 and then btc will stop growing in market cap, specu;ators will dump it.
[2017-04-29 03:32:22] Trade : Ya, the ETH Cap is getting high
[2017-04-29 03:32:24] biz : surprised people dont start dumping btc now.
[2017-04-29 03:32:32] Trade : ETH not very usable tho
[2017-04-29 03:32:38] Trade : tradeable
[2017-04-29 03:33:02] Trade : How will POS affect ETH?
[2017-04-29 03:33:18] biz : wonder how easily ETH can be pumped to 0.1
[2017-04-29 03:33:37] aethlios : all new projects are build on eth, noone uses btc. but eth is not perfect and a 3rd generation can surpass eth, but we will enter the eth era for 4-5 years, after eth cap above btc cap.
[2017-04-29 03:33:55] mark121 : its about 6 billion easily
[2017-04-29 03:34:18] Trade : this is the cap ranking that is crazy to me: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/all/
[2017-04-29 03:34:20] mark121 : dollars that is
[2017-04-29 03:35:00] Trade : I guess maybe rising sea lifts all
[2017-04-29 03:35:37] Trade : has anyone here ever spent 1 ETH for any product or service?
[2017-04-29 03:35:45] Trade : other than trading?
[2017-04-29 03:35:46] frog : aethlios: people are chasing the ones banks are becoming involved with
[2017-04-29 03:36:09] frog : Trade: eth is like development platform
[2017-04-29 03:36:18] Trade : ya. different animal I guess
[2017-04-29 03:36:47] frog : jpm are looking at developing eth based platform
[2017-04-29 03:36:50] Trade : like investing BTC into a company or stock
[2017-04-29 03:38:09] frog : @Trade price started to move when they pulled out of R3 to focus on eth
[2017-04-29 03:38:44] Trade : what is the relation between Gnosis and Online Gambling industry? I don't understand the 'predictions' component. Predicting.. uh, what?
[2017-04-29 03:38:53] frog : market research
[2017-04-29 03:38:58] frog : trump or clinton
[2017-04-29 03:39:48] frog : people get paid for correctly predicting outcome
[2017-04-29 03:39:59] frog : and pay if they are wrong
[2017-04-29 03:40:09] Trade : like a huge online gambling platform?
[2017-04-29 03:40:21] frog : not exactly
[2017-04-29 03:40:25] aethlios : that btc pump was rally weak, chat now has 1032 users with price 1335, very bearish.
[2017-04-29 03:40:29] Trade : trying to grasp ;)
[2017-04-29 03:40:57] frog : will people buy iphone 9 or S9? for example, apple may pay for gnosis opinion
[2017-04-29 03:41:20] frog : prefer 5" screen or 6" screen
[2017-04-29 03:41:50] frog : cheaper than focus groups... etc
[2017-04-29 03:43:29] Trade : I guess that service has a large market somehow?
[2017-04-29 03:43:37] frog : little different answers question what do you think most people would prefer rather than what do you prefer
[2017-04-29 03:43:45] frog : potentailly bery useful
[2017-04-29 03:44:02] frog : augur does the same but not as hyped
[2017-04-29 03:44:40] frog : can get almost instant market feedback at low cost
[2017-04-29 03:45:33] frog : but easy to imitate and there may end up being a lot of players in the space
[2017-04-29 03:47:48] Trade : thx
[2017-04-29 03:48:30] biz : someone holding GNO down
[2017-04-29 03:48:32] frog : also shows value of blockchain separate from mining and coin as store of value
[2017-04-29 03:48:38] biz : 12 minutes for them to remove the wall or else no new rekts
[2017-04-29 03:49:45] Trade : maybe better to view BTC as store of value vs. ETH/GNO as ICO company investments? Shares have value
[2017-04-29 03:50:22] Trade : I know currency may not be best descrip for BTC with scaling issues. Digital Gold better descrip
[2017-04-29 03:50:38] frog : Trade: yes but Im not sure that the price of the coin's will reflect the value
[2017-04-29 03:51:24] frog : xrp is token for transaction security, ripple removed there xrp wallet
[2017-04-29 03:52:27] frog : they also have boatloads of them [xrp] not available
[2017-04-29 03:53:36] frog : imo btc and eth have best potential and ltc if charlie call pull something off may be good as well
[2017-04-29 03:55:39] frog : likely btc end up as store of value and alts useful for other things like small transactions, payment systems etc
[2017-04-29 04:01:33] wiz : no asks in LTC orderbook at all
[2017-04-29 04:01:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTCM17`: buy 784 @ 0.01235
[2017-04-29 04:02:47] frog : liquidation in progress for ltc short
[2017-04-29 04:04:26] Trade : I wanted to make some LTC trades here, but I can't make the #'s work
[2017-04-29 04:05:08] frog : Trade: it pretty much impossible to trade here
[2017-04-29 04:05:57] Trade : XBTUSD is ok
[2017-04-29 04:06:31] frog : BTC is fine tracks the index and has good liquidity
[2017-04-29 04:08:34] frog : it seems the mm's bots for ltc are ultra conservative
[2017-04-29 04:08:57] rugu : because of the high spread
[2017-04-29 04:09:47] frog : very high for any decent volume, the 7 day was often over 5% if you wanted more than 20 contracts
[2017-04-29 04:11:54] frog : if bitmex had better liquidity and tighter spreads for ltc there would be a lot more trading volume
[2017-04-29 04:12:25] rugu : thats a very chicken and the egg type problem
[2017-04-29 04:13:38] frog : yes... very chikun like
[2017-04-29 04:14:45] frog : maybe opportunity for mm to corner the ltc market here
[2017-04-29 04:15:23] Trade : Are we talking about Traders here running MM Bots or BitMEX running their own?
[2017-04-29 04:15:34] frog : anyone
[2017-04-29 04:15:54] Trade : any conflict for an Exchange to run their own MM Bots?
[2017-04-29 04:15:59] frog : i know i would have done a lot more trades and i'm pretty sure other would as well
[2017-04-29 04:16:41] frog : bitmex don't run their own and yes potential for stop hunting etc
[2017-04-29 04:17:30] Trade : always felt OKC washed out everyones stops at times
[2017-04-29 04:17:35] mark121 : /sentiment
[2017-04-29 04:17:37] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 54.77 / 45.23 Daily : 55.08 / 44.92 Weekly : 48.95 / 51.05 Monthly : 46.28 / 53.72```
[2017-04-29 04:17:58] frog : Trade: yes i think it was official policy there
[2017-04-29 04:26:18] Trade : I don't use stops anymore due to OKCoin.com, lol. I just keep my maintenance margin at good level.
[2017-04-29 04:27:09] biz : gdax going for it
[2017-04-29 04:27:17] biz : come on stamp. join in
[2017-04-29 04:27:26] Trade : ya, BTC getting ready to go again. Not a fan of weekend rallies tho
[2017-04-29 04:28:07] Trade : too thin, fall apart
[2017-04-29 04:32:14] frog : Trade: same with me
[2017-04-29 04:32:33] frog : stops are like guaranteed loss points
[2017-04-29 04:32:49] frog : in volatile markets anywat
[2017-04-29 04:33:25] frog : isolated margin better......
[2017-04-29 04:38:15] DanLar75 : mm bots are cool, as long as they act according to the same contract on both sides.
[2017-04-29 04:40:28] Jsgh : STAMP sucks
[2017-04-29 04:43:35] Jsgh : /price
[2017-04-29 04:43:37] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1332.89 (0.21%) Bitfinex : 1420.00 (0.73%) OKCоin : 1260.32 (0.87%) itBit : 1346.14 (0.24%) Kraken : 1327.45 (0.38%) GDAX : 1362.89 (0.81%) SLQ : 1 hour, 45 mins```
[2017-04-29 04:43:54] Trade : lol. I read rumours they may add Kraken to the mix
[2017-04-29 04:44:12] Jsgh : it would be nice to have more than two in the index
[2017-04-29 04:45:12] Trade : moving now
[2017-04-29 04:45:36] Trade : quick fake, lol
[2017-04-29 04:46:56] DrNiki : /price
[2017-04-29 04:46:59] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1332.88 (0.00%) Bitfinex : 1421.70 (0.12%) OKCоin : 1263.51 (0.25%) itBit : 1347.13 (0.07%) Kraken : 1327.54 (0.01%) GDAX : 1361.78 (-0.08%) SLQ : 3 mins```
[2017-04-29 04:47:09] irvingtrader : /sentiment
[2017-04-29 04:47:11] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 58.43 / 41.57 Daily : 54.83 / 45.17 Weekly : 48.94 / 51.06 Monthly : 46.28 / 53.72```
[2017-04-29 05:08:37] biz : ETC heading back up
[2017-04-29 05:10:58] mdsmm : good morning
[2017-04-29 05:11:03] mdsmm : is etc tradable
[2017-04-29 05:11:06] mdsmm : got a free dayyyy
[2017-04-29 05:11:14] mdsmm : enough,volume
[2017-04-29 05:11:17] mdsmm : ?
[2017-04-29 05:11:31] mdsmm : lol the spread
[2017-04-29 05:15:14] biz : tough to day trade
[2017-04-29 05:38:33] Ahhere : Bit cheap here
[2017-04-29 05:38:47] Ahhere : /price
[2017-04-29 05:38:49] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1328.97 (-0.29%) Bitfinex : 1422.70 (0.07%) OKCоin : 1264.80 (0.10%) itBit : 1344.98 (-0.16%) Kraken : 1329.00 (0.11%) GDAX : 1362.41 (0.05%) SLQ : 51 mins```
[2017-04-29 05:42:46] atlanta : Morning boys
[2017-04-29 05:43:06] Ahhere : atlanta: hi
[2017-04-29 05:43:06] atlanta : ETH been having fun i see
[2017-04-29 05:43:28] atlanta : Ahhere: What are we looking at today mate?
[2017-04-29 05:44:54] Ahhere : Hmmm btc
[2017-04-29 05:45:49] Ahhere : Nice bounce yesterday
[2017-04-29 05:46:03] Ahhere : When do we get the stamp ath
[2017-04-29 05:46:26] atlanta : Yes it did bounce quite well idd
[2017-04-29 05:54:10] Ahhere : Now pump or weekend dump
[2017-04-29 05:54:37] atlanta : Id appreciate a ETH dump so i can trade my BTC To ETH
[2017-04-29 05:54:47] atlanta : .04 would be nice
[2017-04-29 05:55:02] atlanta : I think its coming and bitcoin will probably rally
[2017-04-29 05:55:07] Ahhere : 0.02 wud be lovely
[2017-04-29 05:55:14] atlanta : Bounce shows a lot of confidence
[2017-04-29 05:55:28] atlanta : honestely yesterday i thought BTC was due for a correction now, but its just not happening
[2017-04-29 05:56:41] Trade : /price
[2017-04-29 05:56:42] Ahhere : Yeah demand is strongk
[2017-04-29 05:56:43] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1325.77 (-0.24%) Bitfinex : 1422.30 (-0.03%) OKCоin : 1260.60 (-0.33%) itBit : 1341.64 (-0.25%) Kraken : 1333.94 (0.37%) GDAX : 1360.75 (-0.12%) SLQ : 17 mins```
[2017-04-29 05:57:02] Ahhere : Gdax and stamp so far apart now too
[2017-04-29 05:57:15] Trade : Stamp perma low
[2017-04-29 05:57:30] Trade : OKC in another world
[2017-04-29 05:58:01] Ahhere : Yeah
[2017-04-29 05:59:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRPM17`: buy 1800 @ 0.00004382
[2017-04-29 05:59:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRPM17`: buy 5000 @ 0.00004379
[2017-04-29 05:59:18] Ahhere : If demand is there ppl will shop on stamp
[2017-04-29 06:18:15] Trade : /price
[2017-04-29 06:18:17] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1327.65 (0.14%) Bitfinex : 1417.60 (-0.33%) OKCоin : 1257.00 (-0.29%) itBit : 1340.81 (-0.06%) Kraken : 1327.41 (-0.49%) GDAX : 1355.93 (-0.35%) SLQ : 21 mins```
[2017-04-29 06:36:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRPM17`: buy 12000 @ 0.00004631
[2017-04-29 06:46:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRPM17`: sell 202 @ 0.00004544
[2017-04-29 06:47:17] mark121 : http://time.com/4757085/otto-warmbier-north-korea/
[2017-04-29 06:47:54] rugu : oh ya this guy
[2017-04-29 06:48:00] rugu : lol, what an idiot
[2017-04-29 06:48:00] mark121 : i want to go there, i may do it for real
[2017-04-29 06:48:30] mark121 : but id travel with a former yugsolav country passport
[2017-04-29 06:48:39] mark121 : or canadian
[2017-04-29 06:48:53] rugu : get a South Korea passport and go
[2017-04-29 06:49:10] mark121 : ohand llook at ripple go
[2017-04-29 06:49:30] atlanta : Morning Mark
[2017-04-29 06:49:31] atlanta : my man
[2017-04-29 06:49:35] atlanta : you ETH short+
[2017-04-29 06:49:40] mark121 : yea
[2017-04-29 06:49:41] atlanta : Its coming down as we speak
[2017-04-29 06:49:59] rugu : not by much
[2017-04-29 06:50:00] mark121 : i closed yesterday and longed a bit and now shorted from top
[2017-04-29 06:50:10] atlanta : I woke up in the middle of the night
[2017-04-29 06:50:14] rugu : cross or isolated?
[2017-04-29 06:50:15] atlanta : sold my long at .0565
[2017-04-29 06:50:25] rugu : i keep getting confused, which one to use for leverage
[2017-04-29 06:50:31] mark121 : either
[2017-04-29 06:50:41] mark121 : cross is basically automatic leverage
[2017-04-29 06:50:56] mark121 : and so if u use ur whole avail amt
[2017-04-29 06:51:02] mark121 : ul be max leverage
[2017-04-29 06:51:09] rugu : ya understood that part but
[2017-04-29 06:51:21] rugu : which one seems better, I forgot to put stop losses at times :D
[2017-04-29 06:51:35] mark121 : that question doesnt make sense rly
[2017-04-29 06:51:45] atlanta : Mark, whats your TP for eth
[2017-04-29 06:51:48] mark121 : i mean it depends
[2017-04-29 06:52:08] rugu : ok so say I got 1btc, and opening a trade in eth
[2017-04-29 06:52:10] mark121 : atlanta: im looking for least 2 thousandths
[2017-04-29 06:52:19] mark121 : did u short from 56
[2017-04-29 06:52:25] mark121 : atlanta
[2017-04-29 06:52:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHM17`: sell 90 @ 0.05353
[2017-04-29 06:52:37] mark121 : rugu: thats not what makes the diff
[2017-04-29 06:52:40] atlanta : Nah, just closed went back to sleep. Opened a small shortj ust now
[2017-04-29 06:53:01] mark121 : rugu it comes down to a factor of your confidence and willingness to endure wrongside
[2017-04-29 06:53:09] mark121 : and amt of positions
[2017-04-29 06:53:12] atlanta : What do you mean by 2k. .035?
[2017-04-29 06:53:42] mark121 : tenths, hundreths, thousandths (decimal places, .1 .01 .001)
[2017-04-29 06:54:10] mark121 : i dont have a hard target atlanta
[2017-04-29 06:54:12] rugu : understood the whole, it depends on your confidence
[2017-04-29 06:54:23] rugu : but ballpark ?
[2017-04-29 06:54:38] mark121 : when i say amt of positions i mean amount of diff contracts
[2017-04-29 06:54:57] mark121 : so lets say u are long BTC and shorted ripple
[2017-04-29 06:55:11] mark121 : ur long in btc is up and in profit
[2017-04-29 06:55:53] mark121 : but barely, so its green lets say 10% roe if u closed at mark
[2017-04-29 06:55:55] rugu : wont all of this eventually get reflected in margin used and net leverage used?
[2017-04-29 06:56:17] mark121 : now ur thinking is a massive rally for btc
[2017-04-29 06:56:40] mark121 : now. onto your xrp trade
[2017-04-29 06:57:07] mark121 : u open it with lets say .5 btc left in available (after opening the xrp)
[2017-04-29 06:57:21] mark121 : and ur using cross
[2017-04-29 06:57:57] rugu : thats like 90-100% margin used
[2017-04-29 06:57:58] mark121 : now.. the effective leverage of ur btc trade shud be considerablylow
[2017-04-29 06:58:27] mark121 : then u notice ur xrp short is gettin away from u
[2017-04-29 06:58:31] mark121 : but u hold
[2017-04-29 06:58:43] mark121 : u got available funds (so it seems safe)
[2017-04-29 06:59:07] mark121 : as it gets away ur available funds get used up quite quick if the move is strong
[2017-04-29 06:59:31] mark121 : all of a sudden btc temp dips to 0% profit )
[2017-04-29 06:59:44] rugu : *panic*
[2017-04-29 06:59:52] mark121 : ^ ensues
[2017-04-29 06:59:53] podizzle3k : what is this rekt porn
[2017-04-29 07:00:14] mark121 : the problem now lies
[2017-04-29 07:00:21] mark121 : in tyrin to free available funding
[2017-04-29 07:00:38] rugu : yup yup, cut the loss!
[2017-04-29 07:00:41] mark121 : as u kno BTC will recover and fly (or as close to knowin as possible) u consider ir ur main trade
[2017-04-29 07:00:56] rugu : basically what available balance would you keep minimum
[2017-04-29 07:01:11] mark121 : but trimin that xrp losing position is terribly destructive
[2017-04-29 07:01:12] mark121 : and costly
[2017-04-29 07:01:32] rugu : like a -20% roe
[2017-04-29 07:01:48] mark121 : it skind of nothin at first.. barely anything... all of a sudden TSUNAMI
[2017-04-29 07:02:21] mark121 : so cross can be difficult to manage in situations that this story is hypotehtically in now
[2017-04-29 07:02:44] rugu : without stop losses, yes
[2017-04-29 07:02:57] mark121 : forget stop losses
[2017-04-29 07:02:59] mark121 : for the moment
[2017-04-29 07:03:17] mark121 : or even with one, u may not get a fill
[2017-04-29 07:03:36] mark121 : alow me to continue
[2017-04-29 07:03:49] rugu : ok
[2017-04-29 07:03:49] mark121 : .. its hard to kno what the right move is if ur in that spot
[2017-04-29 07:04:09] atlanta : Rugu try to play around with the calcilator
[2017-04-29 07:04:11] atlanta : calculator*
[2017-04-29 07:04:14] mark121 : all of a sudden ur profitable btc trade is tetering between profit and loss
[2017-04-29 07:04:25] mark121 : and uve noticed ur liquidation price is MUCH higher
[2017-04-29 07:04:37] mark121 : its like a cascading affect
[2017-04-29 07:04:48] podizzle3k : i already finished
[2017-04-29 07:05:00] mark121 : if u close ur btc trade
[2017-04-29 07:05:23] podizzle3k : i was done at TSUNAMI
[2017-04-29 07:05:33] mark121 : great, u got margin at nearly 1:1 rate (assuming u trim at BE price)
[2017-04-29 07:06:03] mark121 : but really uve now putyourself in danger of losing everything in a trade on an alt that u really only wanted to dabble in
[2017-04-29 07:06:21] mark121 : in other words
[2017-04-29 07:06:50] rugu : im screwed
[2017-04-29 07:06:51] mark121 : it can requires on-the-fly analysis of both assets and this is difficult even for skilled trades if they are caught
[2017-04-29 07:06:55] mark121 : that too
[2017-04-29 07:07:10] mark121 : now rewind a bit
[2017-04-29 07:07:16] mark121 : if u do it other way
[2017-04-29 07:07:32] mark121 : the probem is the diminishing returns on trimming the xrp position
[2017-04-29 07:07:50] rugu : cut part of the position to lower your liquidation price?
[2017-04-29 07:08:14] mark121 : (not selling btc but buying the xrp)
[2017-04-29 07:08:22] mark121 : sry i shud have clarified
[2017-04-29 07:08:38] rugu : but xrp also in losses
[2017-04-29 07:08:41] mark121 : continued from trimming xrp position..
[2017-04-29 07:08:49] mark121 : yes it is
[2017-04-29 07:09:09] mark121 : so in a perfect world ud prob want to toss that one and keep the btc
[2017-04-29 07:09:15] mark121 : holding thru the lil dip for the glory times
[2017-04-29 07:09:48] mark121 : but conitnuing now from ... 'the xrp position...'
[2017-04-29 07:10:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRPM17`: sell 15000 @ 0.00004463
[2017-04-29 07:10:10] mark121 : as it gets away
[2017-04-29 07:10:41] mark121 : ofc the diminishing returns get wors and worse but each time u trim ur total xbt goes down
[2017-04-29 07:11:12] mark121 : *but = and
[2017-04-29 07:11:43] mark121 : on my play arnd account ive been surprised by just how quickly
[2017-04-29 07:11:50] mark121 : things cna go from
[2017-04-29 07:12:01] mark121 : peachy to "this is fine" (fire eveyrwhere)
[2017-04-29 07:12:05] mark121 : to liquidation
[2017-04-29 07:12:11] rugu : like my xrp position just got
[2017-04-29 07:12:13] rugu : in issues
[2017-04-29 07:12:24] mark121 : the pt of my rambling is that
[2017-04-29 07:12:40] rugu : i was at +100% roe when you started, and now -15%
[2017-04-29 07:13:06] mark121 : cross has unlimited risk compared to isolated
[2017-04-29 07:13:14] mark121 : ofc
[2017-04-29 07:13:25] mark121 : but rly its much more deceiving
[2017-04-29 07:13:30] rugu : just lost 115% roe during this :(
[2017-04-29 07:13:35] mark121 : :(
[2017-04-29 07:13:44] mark121 : the problem is
[2017-04-29 07:13:53] mark121 : if ur holding profit for more profit basically
[2017-04-29 07:14:07] mark121 : it seems "wow i got so much avail funds"
[2017-04-29 07:14:34] mark121 : so u open some other trade, not because it sa good trade
[2017-04-29 07:14:39] rugu : i think if I hit over 80% roe, i will just cash out and not be greedy
[2017-04-29 07:15:05] atlanta : ETH taking a hit
[2017-04-29 07:15:24] mark121 : but because ur bored, greedy, emotional and most likely feel like ur here and trading so u shud trade
[2017-04-29 07:15:56] mark121 : u make bogus moves, that epxoentially increase ur risk
[2017-04-29 07:16:24] rugu : so when do you decide to cash out your trades
[2017-04-29 07:16:31] mdsmm : if you don't know what you're doing, just don't take high leverage. And you can always keep^the currency until it is i profit.. even if it takes a few days. Have a bit of patience. Just don't buy overbought coins, and sell in time. Unless you're a long term guy
[2017-04-29 07:16:45] mark121 : it may sound like im talking obviousness but ive in my life (and ive met prob thousands..)
[2017-04-29 07:17:18] rugu : my work can get very intense durng the day, so I cant monitor my positions well
[2017-04-29 07:17:34] mark121 : met at best , 1 person that actually didnt require these things that all good traders and lifelong traders whole dear to happen personally to him in order to understand the harsh reality behind advice u can find easily
[2017-04-29 07:18:07] atlanta : 9/10 people lose money on trading
[2017-04-29 07:18:09] mark121 : in others words, nearly every1 needs to walk the walk
[2017-04-29 07:18:24] mark121 : even if they can repeat the best rules or strategies from memory
[2017-04-29 07:18:38] mark121 : 90/90/90 rule
[2017-04-29 07:18:54] rugu : iv been neutral over 2 weeks now
[2017-04-29 07:19:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHM17`: sell 200 @ 0.05328
[2017-04-29 07:19:07] mark121 : 90% of traders will lose 90% of their trading money in the first 90 days
[2017-04-29 07:19:42] emcor : mark121: i lost 3k in my first trading time, then i made 18k after
[2017-04-29 07:19:52] mdsmm : haha, actually true. You start over confident wanting to live the millionaire live and then get fucked
[2017-04-29 07:20:02] mdsmm : Same @emcor hahaha, I lost 3.5k
[2017-04-29 07:20:10] mdsmm : now making money tho
[2017-04-29 07:20:13] rugu : or violently caressed depending on your lev
[2017-04-29 07:20:27] mark121 : i lost 75k my first year in equities
[2017-04-29 07:20:34] rugu : $?
[2017-04-29 07:20:35] mark121 : over 10 years ago
[2017-04-29 07:20:38] mdsmm : mark121: wow haha
[2017-04-29 07:20:51] atlanta : gg
[2017-04-29 07:21:17] mark121 : next year i made like 4% profit
[2017-04-29 07:21:22] mark121 : so net down still
[2017-04-29 07:21:38] mark121 : year after that i made 400k in 2 months (rest of year was around BE)
[2017-04-29 07:22:16] mark121 : so since then i never was negativ again
[2017-04-29 07:22:34] mdsmm : not bad
[2017-04-29 07:22:36] mark121 : now the issue with analysis like that
[2017-04-29 07:23:05] mark121 : i lost for variious reasons that bad year
[2017-04-29 07:23:19] mark121 : but the market conditions changed drastically form 1st to 3rd
[2017-04-29 07:23:32] rugu : like now im at 62% margin with 8.38x lev. Damn xrp drop !!
[2017-04-29 07:23:53] mdsmm : we might peak more on xrp
[2017-04-29 07:23:56] mdsmm : watch peak before
[2017-04-29 07:23:59] mdsmm : few weeks ago
[2017-04-29 07:24:09] rugu : ya hoping on that, I got a small sell at 0.00005