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[2015-12-01 18:25:20] SnackyCoins : no balance sheet to add up the +/- ... you mean like the blockchain?
[2015-12-01 18:25:23] Swedishnut : everything in church land moves at a snail pace though I've found...
[2015-12-01 18:25:38] rapidtrades : Swedishnut: that's interesting...what's the ROI on mining these days
[2015-12-01 18:25:54] messiaen8844 : negative?
[2015-12-01 18:25:59] rapidtrades : :)
[2015-12-01 18:26:32] messiaen8844 : Perhaps more upside mining Ethereum on used GPUs?
[2015-12-01 18:26:59] rapidtrades : messiaen8844: is that shitcoin GPU-mined
[2015-12-01 18:27:11] Swedishnut : it is speculative and a best case stay over 350 until halving then to 450. Return would be they pay off S7 investment in 3 months then profit for sure to halving.
[2015-12-01 18:27:20] messiaen8844 : yes, only GPU, no ASIC
[2015-12-01 18:27:49] messiaen8844 : I think return in mining might come if you hold for two years, but risky anyway
[2015-12-01 18:28:12] rapidtrades : Swedishnut: that's excellent ....can't u hedge with futures to lock in $360?
[2015-12-01 18:29:18] Swedishnut : Yes but I need more advice and eyeballs to make the decisions for church money to be invested. has to go through a committee
[2015-12-01 18:29:31] rapidtrades : lol gl
[2015-12-01 18:29:47] rapidtrades : $4 premium on weekly, cos why the hell not
[2015-12-01 18:30:20] rapidtrades : guys today may have been awful but Thursday will be much better! : Weekly traders
[2015-12-01 18:31:06] Swedishnut : ty its working slowly. had the "management" get wallets, Lawnmower, Coinbase. So they are learning and since they got those a few weeks ago they have been pumped about the price going up.
[2015-12-01 18:31:48] rapidtrades : Swedishnut: yeah they got in at the right time :)
[2015-12-01 18:32:17] Swedishnut : I can't wait to see a QR code to a missionaries account on the tithe screen and see how much value can be sent and the people in pews would watch the money add up before their very eyes
[2015-12-01 18:32:57] Swedishnut : it also removes the possibility of "Where did my money really go Mr. Pastor man?"
[2015-12-01 18:35:33] rapidtrades : well good thing I hedged...
[2015-12-01 18:37:24] rapidtrades : Swedishnut: sounds good man, sry too much action atm
[2015-12-01 18:38:08] Swedishnut : yeah I feel yeah volume is picking up.
[2015-12-01 18:39:27] zanza : BTFD BTFD
[2015-12-01 18:42:20] rapidtrades : zanza: ?
[2015-12-01 18:43:02] justinlooking : hello peeps
[2015-12-01 18:44:00] rapidtrades : lol we go up $5 and everyone comes back
[2015-12-01 18:44:22] SnackyCoins : HRRRRAAAAAYYYYYYYYWOOOOO
[2015-12-01 18:44:23] rapidtrades : now we just need flipper and it's a full house
[2015-12-01 18:45:23] justinlooking : BVOL24H = 4.05, that's more like it
[2015-12-01 18:46:03] singularity321 : Does increased volume normally indicate the price is going to go up or just be more volatile in general?
[2015-12-01 18:46:52] justinlooking : singularity321: if that's with respect to BVOL, it's a measure of volatility rather than volume
[2015-12-01 18:46:59] justinlooking : altho they would normally have strong correlation
[2015-12-01 18:51:33] Swedishnut : yeah generally volume is a good thing unless there is a ponzi scheme dump or some kind of scam that got a hold of coins from an exchange who improperly held their clients wallets.
[2015-12-01 19:02:16] lazerdye : How is the liquidation price calcuated?
[2015-12-01 19:09:31] BitMEX_Sam : It's simply the price at which your leftover margin on the position will equal the minimum (maintenance) margin requirement.
[2015-12-01 19:13:24] lazerdye : The docs say the maintenance margin is 1% for 25x leverage.
[2015-12-01 19:13:52] lazerdye : What is the "margin" I see on the open positions, initial + maintenance?
[2015-12-01 19:16:03] BitMEX_Sam : lazerdye: If on cross margin, it's equal to initial margin, if on isolated, it's equal to how much is locked (which starts at the IM %)
[2015-12-01 19:16:46] lazerdye : So, for isolated XBT short position, it would be "entry price + (margin * 100)"?
[2015-12-01 19:17:29] BitMEX_Sam : It's gross value * IM%
[2015-12-01 19:18:17] BitMEX_Sam : e.g. on XBT24H, which is 1% IM 0.5% MM, a 1 XBT position would have IM of 0.01 and MM of 0.005 XBT, plus fees
[2015-12-01 19:18:36] BitMEX_Sam : 1 XBT being roughly 275 contracts at current prices
[2015-12-01 19:30:04] lazerdye : I think I'm getting it :) what keeps throwing me off is I'm testing will a small number of contracts, and only four digits are shown
[2015-12-01 19:30:22] BitMEX_Sam : Ah yes
[2015-12-01 19:30:31] BitMEX_Sam : You can change the display in the dropdown at the top right with your name on it
[2015-12-01 19:31:06] lazerdye : Aah, thanks...
[2015-12-01 19:37:28] messiaen8844 : users increasing here
[2015-12-01 19:40:12] Swedishnut : wow yeah 257
[2015-12-01 19:42:38] messiaen8844 : 257?
[2015-12-01 19:42:46] messiaen8844 : ah... users
[2015-12-01 19:43:23] messiaen8844 : for a second I hoped it was ETH ;)
[2015-12-01 19:44:36] Swedishnut : had to share this song Happy Holiday Season https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTx-sdR6Yzk
[2015-12-01 19:50:00] podizzle3k : wow i just realized that interview with VC and the whole 'blockmex' thing was a complete joke
[2015-12-01 19:50:11] podizzle3k : there is no fomo capital there is no 'blockchain derivatives'
[2015-12-01 19:52:50] podizzle3k : no img tags for peons?
[2015-12-01 20:03:17] TschavaTschigger : open interest 158k.. not bad
[2015-12-01 20:50:46] BitMEX_Sam : podizzle3k: Not until we work out an image proxying solution, otherwise users could use img tags to correlate an IP address to a user
[2015-12-01 20:50:56] BitMEX_Sam : e.g. post an image on a server you control, then wait for the hits to come in
[2015-12-01 20:52:46] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: Sam if I'm long the same amount of contracts on the daily and short on the weekly, do I have neutral exposure? (Assuming they both move the same, which I know it's not the case irl)
[2015-12-01 20:53:09] BitMEX_Sam : Yes and no -
[2015-12-01 20:53:11] rapidtrades : long and short on different prices
[2015-12-01 20:53:28] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: explain?
[2015-12-01 20:53:28] BitMEX_Sam : The different expiry times matter, for one, because after 12 UTC you'll no longer be flat
[2015-12-01 20:53:48] rapidtrades : yes
[2015-12-01 20:54:46] BitMEX_Sam : If you had identical expiries, then yes, if you can manage an arb you'll be in profit, at least in XBT terms
[2015-12-01 20:56:02] BitMEX_Sam : e.g. enter 1 XBT (500 contract) long/short at 200. Price goes to 400. Short loses 1 XBT, long profits 1 XBT. So you're flat in XBT terms, but in USD terms you're not because the price of XBT itself has changed.
[2015-12-01 20:56:07] jung1 : any alternative for whaleclub charts (not hypron)?
[2015-12-01 20:56:22] BitMEX_Sam : tradingview, cryptowatch, bitcoinwisdom?
[2015-12-01 20:56:26] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: understood
[2015-12-01 20:56:35] BitMEX_Sam : Also I believe Sierra Chart hooked in some new Bitcoin markets
[2015-12-01 20:56:37] sleger : still dont understand how futures work ?
[2015-12-01 20:56:45] rapidtrades : sleger: SHUT UP
[2015-12-01 20:56:49] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: yeah but 4 charts on one page
[2015-12-01 20:56:57] sleger : rapidtrades: \
[2015-12-01 20:57:01] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: You can always code your own simple iframing solution
[2015-12-01 20:57:07] sleger : rapidtrades: LEARN HOW TRADING WORKS
[2015-12-01 20:57:13] jung1 : something like
[2015-12-01 20:57:15] jung1 : https://satoshidice.com/?secret=d9fe771fb8213031d1b456b0fbcbb0f0#
[2015-12-01 20:57:16] BitMEX_Sam : hell, you could even just put it codepen.io
[2015-12-01 20:57:24] rapidtrades : sleger: IT'S DIFFERENT FUTURES HERE DIPSHIT, NOONE ASKED U
[2015-12-01 20:57:25] jung1 : https://hypron.net/bitcoinwisdom
[2015-12-01 20:58:07] sleger : rapidtrades: lol, it's so simple though, 12 years old would get it
[2015-12-01 20:58:59] jung1 : sleger: so make "futures for dummies"
[2015-12-01 20:59:06] SnackyCoins : jung1: http://ircaddict.net/cryptowatch/
[2015-12-01 20:59:16] rapidtrades : sleger: rly...ok then tell me how to hedge properly with spot smarty pants...say I short 1000 contracts here and want to arbitrage with spot on finex....how much should i buy
[2015-12-01 20:59:26] rapidtrades : it's so fucking simple isn't it
[2015-12-01 20:59:50] SnackyCoins : also tradingview pro :)
[2015-12-01 21:00:15] jung1 : SnackyCoins: thanks!
[2015-12-01 21:00:17] sleger : rapidtrades: 3.65
[2015-12-01 21:00:22] SnackyCoins : rapidtrades: look at the order value above the limit price button
[2015-12-01 21:00:35] sleger : but when price moves you need to adjust it, just like delta hedging of an option
[2015-12-01 21:00:53] sleger : how come you spend all this time here and still havent figured this out. Yes, it is very simple
[2015-12-01 21:00:57] rapidtrades : sleger: right u need to constantly adjust because its not simple
[2015-12-01 21:01:15] sleger : it IS simple
[2015-12-01 21:01:16] rapidtrades : IT'S NOT SIMPLE IF U HAVE TO CONSTANTLY CALCULATE AND ADJUST FFS
[2015-12-01 21:01:31] sleger : maybe for some people it isn't I guess
[2015-12-01 21:01:33] rapidtrades : whatever now you're just arguing for the sake of it
[2015-12-01 21:02:09] SnackyCoins : https://i.imgur.com/B5BSVqH.png
[2015-12-01 21:03:09] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: I just coded this up real quick
[2015-12-01 21:03:10] BitMEX_Sam : http://codepen.io/anon/pen/ZQzQdP
[2015-12-01 21:03:53] sleger : rapidtrades: I know what you need to understand this quickly actually
[2015-12-01 21:04:20] SnackyCoins : the whaleclub charts used tradingview plugins :)
[2015-12-01 21:04:37] SnackyCoins : with all the buttons and stuff stripped off so it was all-chart
[2015-12-01 21:04:48] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: You can grab the iframe src out of the codepen, you get: http://s.codepen.io/boomerang/92ccd83279bb2df943675dec53155adb1449003828675/index.html
[2015-12-01 21:04:58] BitMEX_Sam : ezpz :)
[2015-12-01 21:05:25] jung1 : great
[2015-12-01 21:05:28] jung1 : bitmex ftw
[2015-12-01 21:05:43] SnackyCoins : sam shoots code out of his fingertips like it's rainbows
[2015-12-01 21:07:00] floopfloop : SnackyCoins: You should see after he eats Mexican food
[2015-12-01 21:07:09] SnackyCoins : ayyy floop is back
[2015-12-01 21:07:15] BitMEX_Sam : All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead
[2015-12-01 21:07:18] floopfloop : LOL
[2015-12-01 21:07:23] floopfloop : dat matrix tho
[2015-12-01 21:07:32] rapidtrades : floopfloop: well well, welcome back....we thought u were dead, or worse, broke
[2015-12-01 21:07:34] floopfloop : SnackyCoins: and no, just checking on my position
[2015-12-01 21:07:36] SnackyCoins : lol sam, staring at charts feels like that too
[2015-12-01 21:07:47] floopfloop : rapidtrades: not everyone is a loser like you
[2015-12-01 21:07:51] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah no kidding SnackyCoins
[2015-12-01 21:08:19] floopfloop : SnackyCoins: I have a confession
[2015-12-01 21:08:31] SnackyCoins : floopfloop: its none of my business
[2015-12-01 21:08:41] floopfloop : On the next time of Bitmex TV!
[2015-12-01 21:08:41] rapidtrades : floopfloop: YOU'RE GAY? that's not really a confession we all know
[2015-12-01 21:09:25] jung1 : rapidtrades: how's your babypis course? I dont want to scroll al trollbox
[2015-12-01 21:09:33] floopfloop : rapidtrades: yes, my pooper is nicknamed the Great Arch. You can drive a ferry through there
[2015-12-01 21:09:50] rapidtrades : floopfloop: :)
[2015-12-01 21:10:04] floopfloop : Ok I am out peeps. see ya this weekend
[2015-12-01 21:10:16] rapidtrades : later man
[2015-12-01 21:10:34] floopfloop : "And Ill see you in the parking lot"
[2015-12-01 21:10:53] SnackyCoins : lol
[2015-12-01 21:10:57] sleger : Total lack of surprise : you two are friends....
[2015-12-01 21:11:11] SnackyCoins : woosh
[2015-12-01 21:11:53] floopfloop : I fcked up the quote *fail*
[2015-12-01 21:11:54] floopfloop : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G52aaTFibHo
[2015-12-01 21:11:55] rapidtrades : sleger: I'm friends with his asshole
[2015-12-01 21:12:25] sleger : you probably meant this and not his
[2015-12-01 21:12:55] rapidtrades : nope
[2015-12-01 21:17:49] rapidtrades : is okc the only major exchange without a chat box
[2015-12-01 21:19:24] sleger : got to give them credit for that
[2015-12-01 21:19:43] sleger : where do you see the chatbox on bitfinex ?
[2015-12-01 21:20:33] rapidtrades : sleger: is that a rhetorical quesiton?
[2015-12-01 21:20:43] sleger : yes
[2015-12-01 21:20:47] sleger : or on bitstamp
[2015-12-01 21:20:58] sleger : well basically you get it now, no it's not the only one, by far
[2015-12-01 21:21:01] rapidtrades : THEN JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION
[2015-12-01 21:21:15] rapidtrades : just the way u talk is dickish as f*uck
[2015-12-01 21:21:24] sleger : i like to contemplate your lack of knowledge sorry
[2015-12-01 21:21:50] messiaen8844 : nice daily ETH candle
[2015-12-01 21:22:06] rapidtrades : what's eth
[2015-12-01 21:22:13] messiaen8844 : https://cryptowat.ch/kraken/ethbtc/1day
[2015-12-01 21:22:40] rapidtrades : etherium ?
[2015-12-01 21:23:36] sleger : seriously... ??? etherEum
[2015-12-01 21:23:39] messiaen8844 : yes, it's finally finding some support, at a reasonable price
[2015-12-01 21:28:57] rapidtrades : rly guys, $5 premium on weekly? it expires in 2.5 days
[2015-12-01 21:29:20] irbbqu : XBTZ15 8 above okc qrtrlies
[2015-12-01 21:29:36] rapidtrades : irbbqu: meh it usually trades above
[2015-12-01 21:30:48] rapidtrades : there's a huge liq on H16 keeping prices high tho, that's interesting
[2015-12-01 21:52:52] habibi : its 4 months
[2015-12-01 21:52:57] habibi : low volume
[2015-12-01 21:53:06] habibi : pretty risky to take that at this point
[2015-12-01 21:53:11] irbbqu : + halvening
[2015-12-01 21:54:18] wurstgelee : yep
[2015-12-01 21:54:43] wurstgelee : end of march is way to close to halvening
[2015-12-01 21:54:48] wurstgelee : *o
[2015-12-01 22:14:04] sleger : good halvening
[2015-12-01 23:02:05] smagin07 : robbed clean again
[2015-12-01 23:05:20] micmix : smagin07: did you leave it overnight?
[2015-12-01 23:06:35] smagin07 : A small bet yeah
[2015-12-01 23:06:41] smagin07 : isolated the margin on it
[2015-12-01 23:06:53] smagin07 : got swamped on 2000 contracts just before that one
[2015-12-01 23:07:07] smagin07 : couldn't even make it tot he night in regards to that one
[2015-12-01 23:07:50] micmix : yeah, with isolated margin and 100x leverage you are liquidated really quickly
[2015-12-01 23:08:58] micmix : you'll get liquidated on random $2-3 movement even if your chosen direction was correct
[2015-12-01 23:09:18] smagin07 : yup
[2015-12-01 23:09:27] smagin07 : 7d was the one with 2000 contracts
[2015-12-01 23:09:36] smagin07 : you usually play the daily or 7d?
[2015-12-01 23:11:49] micmix : When I trade manually I trade long-term contracts like Z15 or H16, maybe 7D once in a while. Daily is for Speedy Gonzaleses like rapidtrades :-) I leave it to the bots.
[2015-12-01 23:12:35] smagin07 : alright I'll focus on those
[2015-12-01 23:12:48] smagin07 : seems like there's less quick-liqs in those realms eh?
[2015-12-01 23:13:02] smagin07 : and you just have a bot do dailies for you?
[2015-12-01 23:13:09] habibi : micmix: so ur bots are scalpers mostly?
[2015-12-01 23:17:12] micmix : habibi: On daily and 7D we are testing our market-maker type bot. We also have trend-following bots and couple other special purpose bots that I run on BitMEX from time to time but only small sizes here for now.
[2015-12-01 23:19:00] habibi : sounds like pretty serious buisness
[2015-12-01 23:19:35] micmix : smagin07: with cross margin you have more control and can use stop loss or just close your position if the market turns against you. with isolated margin you either roll the dice with full 100x leverage (or 50x on 7D) or you have to add more margin to your position to avoid getting liquidated quickly
[2015-12-01 23:20:43] micmix : smagin07: https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin for reference
[2015-12-01 23:23:42] sleger : micmix: how many http requests per 5 min can you do ?
[2015-12-01 23:24:06] micmix : sleger: Wally increased our limit to 900
[2015-12-01 23:24:30] sleger : I had the impression you were doing more than that as your bot follows Top Of Book quite often and fast
[2015-12-01 23:24:54] sleger : you must hit the limit often when markets move ? (I have same issue)
[2015-12-01 23:25:00] BitMEX_Sam : 900 is a decent amount if you're on the WS, you don't need to make calls for anything other than place/cancel
[2015-12-01 23:25:10] BitMEX_Sam : If you guys are hitting limits with regularity send us an email
[2015-12-01 23:25:19] micmix : sleger: nope, we don't even hit 600 most of the time
[2015-12-01 23:25:26] BitMEX_Sam : Also FYI order cancels will always go through even if you're above your limit
[2015-12-01 23:25:53] sleger : If you place one bid one offer on daily, to modify price that is already 4 requests so if you change 1/second (which isnt much when market moves fast) that is 2000 per 5 min
[2015-12-01 23:26:35] sleger : and that is only one bid and one ask for only one contract, if you want to show 3 depts on 4 contracts multiply that by 12...
[2015-12-01 23:26:37] BitMEX_Sam : Order modify is coming, bulk order cancel is already in so that'd be 3 reqs
[2015-12-01 23:27:01] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: yes but I dont like implementing too many things so I dont use bulk cancel :)
[2015-12-01 23:27:14] micmix : yeah, we use bulk cancel, saves a lot of calls
[2015-12-01 23:27:29] micmix : waiting for bulk order placement
[2015-12-01 23:27:56] sleger : or bulk modify :)
[2015-12-01 23:28:03] BitMEX_Sam : Yep. All on our shortlist
[2015-12-01 23:28:22] sleger : I still think you should allow order placement and cxl via WS though, like 0kcoin does
[2015-12-01 23:28:54] micmix : sleger: We don't replace the orders quickly. I have min rest time of 3 seconds enabled.
[2015-12-01 23:29:14] sleger : micmix: you're not afraid of your own bulldozer ? :p
[2015-12-01 23:29:30] BitMEX_Sam : It's certainly possible to do, I'll just be honest I don't think it makes a ton of sense and encourages bad practice. It is difficult to correlate a request's success/failure status over WS and I fear many users will find themselves in a bad position because of it
[2015-12-01 23:29:42] BitMEX_Sam : Whereas with HTTP it is much simpler to do because req/res semantics are built-in
[2015-12-01 23:30:22] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: I agree, I would much rather see you spend time implementing standard protocol like FIX or FAST
[2015-12-01 23:31:00] micmix : sleger: I don't think we are going to run bulldozer here, too few MMs
[2015-12-01 23:31:00] BitMEX_Sam : Agreed, we have also been looking at DTC, which our user vbmithr has successfully implemented
[2015-12-01 23:31:16] BitMEX_Sam : He runs a bridge service at https://www.bitsouk.com/, gets our thumbs up so far
[2015-12-01 23:32:55] micmix : DTC is the Sierra Charts protocol as far as I remember?
[2015-12-01 23:33:15] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, they're trying to turn it into an industry standard
[2015-12-01 23:33:22] BitMEX_Sam : Not sure if that will happen but it has some advantages over FIX
[2015-12-01 23:33:30] BitMEX_Sam : Widespread support is not one of them ofc
[2015-12-01 23:33:49] BitMEX_Sam : http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?page=doc/doc_DTCProtocol.php#WhyNotFix
[2015-12-01 23:33:58] micmix : maybe but FIX is THE standard supported everywhere
[2015-12-01 23:35:30] micmix : and FAST is what you use if you want to be fast :-)
[2015-12-01 23:36:09] BitMEX_Sam : Indeed
[2015-12-01 23:41:51] micmix : sleger: here is how we save calls when the market is moving quickly: we pull the quotes then wait until the book stabilizes a little before placing them again. if we need to reduce position while the market is moving quickly we use IOC orders that hit existing bids/asks
[2015-12-01 23:43:06] micmix : sleger: it helps minimize the risk that the market will move away from you and you'll get stuck with a large position
[2015-12-01 23:44:07] micmix : well I hope I didn't disclose any trade secrets :-)
[2015-12-02 00:00:59] sleger : micmix: ahah no i dont think so.
[2015-12-02 00:05:01] sleger : but I want to show prices when markets move fast, that's when people do the dumbest stuff :) and get stop lossed
[2015-12-02 00:07:43] micmix : yeah, I understand, it's a balancing act
[2015-12-02 00:08:38] micmix : well we don't get to play with 1000 calls per second here like on other markets
[2015-12-02 00:17:14] sleger : 1000/second ?
[2015-12-02 00:23:30] laisee : google solace
[2015-12-02 00:25:44] sleger : laisee: solace : 1. comfort or consolation in a time of distress or sadness.
[2015-12-02 00:26:18] sleger : I thought he was still talking about bitcoin markets
[2015-12-02 00:26:28] laisee : yes. when mkt data arrives too late
[2015-12-02 00:26:54] laisee : A single Solace appliance provides failsafe, high availability messaging at 450,000 messages per second
[2015-12-02 00:27:37] laisee : solace: 2.
[2015-12-02 00:30:04] User__1 : hello
[2015-12-02 00:31:10] User__1 : is this best exchange to kazakhstan tenge??
[2015-12-02 00:31:25] User__1 : how does bitmex different than other????
[2015-12-02 00:31:43] HotDogs : https://www.bitmex.com/app/whatsDifferent
[2015-12-02 00:33:18] User__1 : nice try hot dog i no trust u
[2015-12-02 00:35:24] laisee : <blink>try www.google.come</blink>
[2015-12-02 00:36:17] sleger : come ?
[2015-12-02 00:36:27] User__1 : i say before google blok in my country!
[2015-12-02 00:36:39] sleger : User__1: are you an alias of floopfloop or habibi ?
[2015-12-02 00:36:46] User__1 : ?????
[2015-12-02 00:37:05] sleger : they just ask the worst questions like you and ignore smart answers
[2015-12-02 00:37:17] sleger : like hotdogs told you : https://www.bitmex.com/app/whatsDifferent
[2015-12-02 00:39:06] laisee : sleger> typo
[2015-12-02 00:39:17] User__1 : sleger r u frend of hot dog bad man?
[2015-12-02 00:40:12] User__1 : I JUST WNT KNOW IF BITMEX BEST DEAL OR NOT WHY CAN NOT U TELL ME
[2015-12-02 00:40:53] User__1 : sorry i lost temper everyone
[2015-12-02 00:40:59] User__1 : i just frustrated
[2015-12-02 00:41:04] sleger : User__1: huge deal yes
[2015-12-02 00:41:09] laisee : not for kazakh currency. maybe next year.
[2015-12-02 00:42:05] User__1 : why not like people of kazakhstan we good people
[2015-12-02 00:42:40] micmix : sleger: not in bitcoin world :-) I think the most you can do is okc with about 50/sec using FIX. We crashed okc db once when testing and I'm afraid to try more ever since :-)
[2015-12-02 00:43:35] laisee : User> https://localbitcoins.com/country/KZ
[2015-12-02 00:46:41] User__1 : racist
[2015-12-02 00:46:55] User__1 : racist exchange here
[2015-12-02 00:48:25] micmix : User__1: Сәлем!
[2015-12-02 00:48:50] thebigmac : Dump Time
[2015-12-02 00:49:08] cekseh : Youre a little late
[2015-12-02 00:49:09] cekseh : =)
[2015-12-02 00:49:53] thebigmac : better late than never lol
[2015-12-02 00:53:47] User__1 : құттықтау friend!
[2015-12-02 00:56:44] micmix : User__1: Шын жүректен бақыт пен табыс тілейміз! :-)
[2015-12-02 01:00:33] micmix : User__1: stop pretending you speak Kazakh :-) I'll stop as well :-)
[2015-12-02 01:01:16] rapidtrades : HOW MANY COWS FOR UR SISTER
[2015-12-02 01:01:42] sleger : retard is back
[2015-12-02 01:02:54] rapidtrades : sleger: suck a bag o'dicks asshole
[2015-12-02 01:03:36] cekseh : Cmon kids, no needs to be mean. You can still make your money back if you short fast enough
[2015-12-02 01:03:36] laisee : charming
[2015-12-02 01:03:38] cekseh : Still going down
[2015-12-02 01:04:48] cekseh : Lots of bloody hands trying to catch knives
[2015-12-02 01:06:46] laisee : rapid> short?
[2015-12-02 01:07:26] sleger : nah he is always on the wrong side, so funny
[2015-12-02 01:08:46] laisee : a good (neg) mkt signal
[2015-12-02 01:12:03] User__1 : i no short u short asshole!!
[2015-12-02 01:14:13] Swedishnut : I think we may start seeing some crazy things soon
[2015-12-02 01:14:32] podizzler3k : wow whats with the salt
[2015-12-02 01:15:30] User__1 : haha i troll like u
[2015-12-02 01:15:34] User__1 : u call me short i call u short
[2015-12-02 01:15:51] User__1 : i do good?
[2015-12-02 01:16:01] thebigmac : this why merchants don't want to hold BTC
[2015-12-02 01:16:18] Swedishnut : its exciting?
[2015-12-02 01:17:34] podizzler3k : well put a buywall up for 10 billion dollars then it wont crash
[2015-12-02 01:18:28] Swedishnut : just need to direct some of the printer money into it daily as reserve global currency done
[2015-12-02 01:18:53] User__1 : what is buywall
[2015-12-02 01:19:04] thebigmac : how about 10 Billion Zimbabwe Dollars
[2015-12-02 01:19:25] Swedishnut : 20% of 696 daily would help
[2015-12-02 01:19:35] Swedishnut : mill from fed reserve
[2015-12-02 01:20:32] rapidtrades : was that a break of $350? cos it didn't seem like it
[2015-12-02 01:25:21] thebigmac : looks more like a 350 teaser
[2015-12-02 01:25:22] sleger : User__1: it is a buy wall
[2015-12-02 01:29:28] rapidtrades : let's take a moment of silence for the fallen bears
[2015-12-02 01:29:45] rapidtrades : *bulls
[2015-12-02 01:30:06] irbbqu : Thought you meant the bears who fell through 350
[2015-12-02 01:30:13] j8 : rapidtrades: you were right all along
[2015-12-02 01:30:23] rapidtrades : j8: :)
[2015-12-02 01:30:38] podizzler3k : no messiaen8844 was right all along
[2015-12-02 01:30:40] podizzler3k : just ask him
[2015-12-02 01:31:07] podizzler3k : btw anyone who laughs histerically and types in all caps saying how they told you so..... probably a shit trader
[2015-12-02 01:31:49] irbbqu : Thought he was calling for 2390
[2015-12-02 01:32:42] rapidtrades : hey 2,390 or 2,260....what's a couple hundred Yuan among friends
[2015-12-02 01:33:54] sleger : rapidtrades: how many btc do you own ?
[2015-12-02 01:34:56] rapidtrades : sleger: this many *flips you off
[2015-12-02 01:36:46] messiaen8844 : hi
[2015-12-02 01:36:52] messiaen8844 : woah, didn't expect that lol
[2015-12-02 01:36:53] sleger : more than 1 ? wow , impressive
[2015-12-02 01:39:19] messiaen8844 : bad day for me today, besides the nightly short not much good. let's see how the 2330 magnet works now
[2015-12-02 01:40:46] messiaen8844 : 23:30 - (IRC)podizzler3k: no messiaen8844 was right all along. right about what?
[2015-12-02 01:42:26] podizzler3k : oh i thought you would have predicted that using your doji methods down to the exact cny l
[2015-12-02 01:42:50] messiaen8844 : down to 2333, probably, but still got burnt below 2304
[2015-12-02 01:42:55] messiaen8844 : that was my bottom
[2015-12-02 01:42:59] messiaen8844 : now we got return fast
[2015-12-02 01:43:54] podizzler3k : ok i guess youre not that guy i was thinking of
[2015-12-02 01:44:06] rapidtrades : podizzler3k: no that was me stupid
[2015-12-02 01:44:07] podizzler3k : that is right 100% of the time even when hes clearly wrong
[2015-12-02 01:44:17] podizzler3k : no that was zanza
[2015-12-02 01:44:18] podizzler3k : (zanza): MARCH 530's are CHEAP
[2015-12-02 01:44:38] messiaen8844 : what I was sketching was daily simmetry, doji (finex) being a top warning
[2015-12-02 01:45:17] messiaen8844 : if we return above 2330/60 range, then it confirms as support and may see glorious retrace to top
[2015-12-02 01:45:24] rapidtrades : I can't tell if we broke $350 or not
[2015-12-02 01:45:28] rapidtrades : prolly not
[2015-12-02 01:45:50] podizzler3k : okcoin futures did. rekt some dude for 1.1M
[2015-12-02 01:46:11] messiaen8844 : that's one of my scenarios, the other = DOOM ;)
[2015-12-02 01:46:35] podizzler3k : #1 okcoin futures holder dumped aanother % of his contracts. he still has a ways to go
[2015-12-02 01:47:32] sleger : rapidtrades: 347 being < 350 I guess your answer is yes, no ?
[2015-12-02 01:47:56] podizzler3k : started out with around 40k contracts now hes down to 20k since the dumping started
[2015-12-02 01:48:06] rapidtrades : no it isn't cos we're now at $351
[2015-12-02 01:48:09] podizzler3k : so if he finishes the job expect it to get worse
[2015-12-02 01:48:23] rapidtrades : this doesn't feel over
[2015-12-02 01:48:54] Swedishnut : it is far from over
[2015-12-02 01:48:59] podizzler3k : if it is okcoin themselves then getting that guy for 1.1M might have been the endgame
[2015-12-02 01:49:08] podizzler3k : i wouldnt put it past them to be the #1 holder
[2015-12-02 01:49:11] podizzler3k : btc-e does it
[2015-12-02 01:49:19] podizzler3k : bitmex definitely does it
[2015-12-02 01:49:21] rapidtrades : btc-e does what
[2015-12-02 01:49:30] podizzler3k : the admins trade
[2015-12-02 01:49:34] podizzler3k : pump and dump
[2015-12-02 01:49:38] podizzler3k : esp ltc
[2015-12-02 01:49:44] podizzler3k : and nmc, ppc, nvc
[2015-12-02 01:49:45] rapidtrades : lol
[2015-12-02 01:50:08] podizzler3k : i was joking about bitmex btw
[2015-12-02 01:50:13] Swedishnut : bots understand the private holders convexity if it goes beyond what they would own in combination the theory is they pool and buy against your position
[2015-12-02 01:50:22] podizzler3k : they are raking it in just fine letting us murder ourselves
[2015-12-02 01:51:06] podizzler3k : remember all those people quitting okcoin because of 'ethical concerns'
[2015-12-02 01:51:17] podizzler3k : well it wasnt because they canceled casual fridays
[2015-12-02 01:51:37] messiaen8844 : yep, exchanges trading against users in commom... especially in forex
[2015-12-02 01:51:42] messiaen8844 : with high leverage
[2015-12-02 01:51:49] podizzler3k : didnt know that
[2015-12-02 01:52:01] rapidtrades : podizzler3k: it's not he's full of it
[2015-12-02 01:52:01] podizzler3k : not surprised i guess. manipulation transcends the wild west of crypto
[2015-12-02 01:52:29] messiaen8844 : crypto is part of the forex world, in certain ways
[2015-12-02 01:52:29] podizzler3k : rapidtrades oh so you think there is no insider funny business going on in the regulated markets?
[2015-12-02 01:52:39] podizzler3k : you think the SEC has everyone in line perfectly
[2015-12-02 01:52:57] rapidtrades : podizzler3k: SEC doesn't have oversight over forex
[2015-12-02 01:52:58] podizzler3k : well slightly now that simplefx and 1broker offer forex with btc
[2015-12-02 01:53:36] podizzler3k : rapidtrades ok it was a generalization anyway. im sure governments and imf are fuckin it all up then
[2015-12-02 01:53:51] podizzler3k : im no forexpert
[2015-12-02 01:54:46] podizzler3k : one day shorting the dollar using bitcoin could be the best move of all time
[2015-12-02 01:54:49] sleger : podizzler3k: dont worry he isnt either, his SEC statement is wrong
[2015-12-02 01:58:45] sleger : just to enlighten him one more time today (i lost count...) fx price fixings (WMR for instance) can influence other derivative products and therefore manipulation of forex spot can be enforced by SEC.
[2015-12-02 02:10:14] rapidtrades : sleger: hope u realize how stupid u look right about now
[2015-12-02 02:19:21] podizzler3k : xbth16 needs grouping of $10
[2015-12-02 02:19:25] podizzler3k : $1 doesnt cut it
[2015-12-02 02:19:49] podizzler3k : back when btc was at $1200 i had to group the order books by $10 just to keep track
[2015-12-02 02:19:59] podizzler3k : and that was spot trade
[2015-12-02 02:22:51] messiaen8844 : how long have you been trading/holding BTC poddiler?
[2015-12-02 02:23:11] rapidtrades : no LIQs....that's weird
[2015-12-02 02:24:09] rapidtrades : guess the major liqs happened higher up
[2015-12-02 02:24:23] rapidtrades : that 20k on H16 is gone now
[2015-12-02 02:24:48] rapidtrades : we had 40k on Z15
[2015-12-02 02:27:28] podizzler3k : yeah i took some of it thanks for pointing it out
[2015-12-02 02:27:45] rapidtrades : podizzler3k: :)
[2015-12-02 02:28:00] messiaen8844 : what was it?
[2015-12-02 02:28:08] podizzler3k : messiaen8844 i'll ignore that you called me podiddler and say since feb of 2013
[2015-12-02 02:28:37] podizzler3k : january i guess
[2015-12-02 02:29:27] podizzler3k : had to pay cash at a pharmacy and call someone with a western union phone, then get it sent through a payment processor that took 5% then get it sent to vircurex and btc-e
[2015-12-02 02:29:37] podizzler3k : it was ridiculous
[2015-12-02 02:30:00] podizzler3k : people at the pharmacy looked at me like i was insane
[2015-12-02 02:30:28] rapidtrades : why a pharmacy podiddler ?
[2015-12-02 02:33:12] messiaen8844 : I heard of bitcoin in 2012 I think, somehow it didn't capture my attention then. Heard again in 2014, but brazilian exchange was scammy. On January 2015 good exchange opened, then two days later the BitStamp hack. Bought my first coins just before the first Coinbase $320 bump
[2015-12-02 02:33:13] kingscrown : if u are bored or whatever u can retweet me :) https://twitter.com/kingscrownBTC/status/671866849877979136
[2015-12-02 02:33:32] podizzler3k : wow spammy AF
[2015-12-02 02:33:35] podizzler3k : but i'll follow you
[2015-12-02 02:34:29] rapidtrades : guys I'm bored, guess I'll go on twitter and retweet shit
[2015-12-02 02:34:33] messiaen8844 : Scared by the first dump, took profit and said goodbye for some time. Wish I held those, I would have 150% gains today.
[2015-12-02 02:34:58] podizzler3k : kingscrown just shilling for referalls
[2015-12-02 02:35:02] podizzler3k : not much actual info
[2015-12-02 02:35:07] rapidtrades : messiaen8844: meh it was prolly a good call, we're still in a range
[2015-12-02 02:35:52] podizzler3k : kingscrown i can have horus push your withdrawals through maybe
[2015-12-02 02:35:56] podizzler3k : ive known that hobo for a while
[2015-12-02 02:36:03] irbbqu : algo bot bounce in the making
[2015-12-02 02:36:07] irbbqu : imo.
[2015-12-02 02:36:16] podizzler3k : irbbqu agreed
[2015-12-02 02:36:32] podizzler3k : just what the dumper wants
[2015-12-02 02:36:34] irbbqu : Though it seems too obvious/repeating.
[2015-12-02 02:47:35] zanza : BTFD BTFD
[2015-12-02 02:47:42] podizzler3k : (messiaen8844 that coinbase pump and dump was brutal
[2015-12-02 02:47:53] podizzler3k : i barely made it out alive
[2015-12-02 02:48:01] irbbqu : haha that was truly horrible
[2015-12-02 02:48:13] podizzler3k : i went from 1 btc to 20 to 1.5
[2015-12-02 02:48:15] podizzler3k : big profits
[2015-12-02 02:48:32] podizzler3k : i tell you one thing as soon as btc halves im OUT
[2015-12-02 02:48:33] irbbqu : I had forgotten to remove some knife catching I had set on the way up
[2015-12-02 02:48:38] podizzler3k : not waiting around for that dump
[2015-12-02 02:48:41] irbbqu : ^
[2015-12-02 02:48:46] podizzler3k : probably be out 12 hours before actually
[2015-12-02 02:49:05] messiaen8844 : when I saw that stupid rocket launch and dump I had really second thoughts about BTC
[2015-12-02 02:49:18] podizzler3k : lol the rocket ship that was epic
[2015-12-02 02:49:20] messiaen8844 : pretty stupid for such a major company to do that
[2015-12-02 02:49:22] podizzler3k : with the countdown to dump
[2015-12-02 02:50:07] messiaen8844 : well, the pump brings new users.... the usual cycle ;)
[2015-12-02 02:50:15] podizzler3k : yeah this is true
[2015-12-02 02:50:18] messiaen8844 : too bad they buy in the last day and get dumped on
[2015-12-02 02:50:19] podizzler3k : higher floors
[2015-12-02 02:50:40] podizzler3k : haha welcome to bitcoin heres -80% on day 1
[2015-12-02 02:51:09] messiaen8844 : when the dump arrived I think I came out with some profit, but still not a good first experience
[2015-12-02 02:52:27] messiaen8844 : funny thing, is in the next $300 pump, during the whole crash down BTC in Brazil never lost value
[2015-12-02 02:52:49] messiaen8844 : as in BTC - 40% BRLUSD -40%
[2015-12-02 02:53:11] podizzler3k : wow
[2015-12-02 02:53:18] rapidtrades : if u held usd u wouldn't lose antyhing
[2015-12-02 02:53:39] messiaen8844 : look at this
[2015-12-02 02:53:40] messiaen8844 : http://www.foxbit.com.br/grafico/
[2015-12-02 02:55:11] podizzler3k : wtf happened on november 1st
[2015-12-02 02:55:17] podizzler3k : devaluation?
[2015-12-02 02:55:56] podizzler3k : 16% devaluation? imagine that with 500x leverage
[2015-12-02 02:56:25] podizzler3k : overnight 80 bagger
[2015-12-02 02:59:25] rapidtrades : u can't gt 500/1 leverage on the BRL
[2015-12-02 02:59:58] rapidtrades : doubt u can get any..it usually isn't offerd on retail and not sure is it trades on futures
[2015-12-02 03:00:24] messiaen8844 : yep. no margin trading on brazilian exchanges, low volume and high spreads
[2015-12-02 03:02:18] rapidtrades : so we bounced at $350
[2015-12-02 03:02:32] irbbqu : lol
[2015-12-02 03:03:20] messiaen8844 : watching 2270
[2015-12-02 03:03:35] rapidtrades : there's nothing at 2270
[2015-12-02 03:05:33] irbbqu : Datt algo
[2015-12-02 03:08:04] rapidtrades : well if u liked bitcoin at $380, you'll love it at $350
[2015-12-02 03:09:05] irbbqu : I dont know, people seem to love tops.
[2015-12-02 03:13:30] rapidtrades : $2 premium on weekly....in a downtrend cos why not
[2015-12-02 03:16:18] j8 : rapidtrades: so, one day of down and its a downtrend?
[2015-12-02 03:17:37] rapidtrades : clearly they were right calling @j8 :)
[2015-12-02 03:18:46] j8 : i don't understand what you say
[2015-12-02 03:19:22] rapidtrades : not many do
[2015-12-02 03:50:06] psyfur : i see bitmex is wisely not convinced by dead cat bounce #2
[2015-12-02 03:50:53] rapidtrades : well $2 discount is pretty severe
[2015-12-02 03:51:07] rapidtrades : with 8 hours to go
[2015-12-02 03:52:33] rapidtrades : I almost want to buy here
[2015-12-02 03:52:37] rapidtrades : almost, lol
[2015-12-02 03:53:00] psyfur : there's no way this is recovering, this was all an obvious pnd
[2015-12-02 03:53:35] psyfur : i think the bull market will continue later on but for now this has to go down to 340 at least, probably 330s
[2015-12-02 03:54:32] rapidtrades : that sounds reasonable
[2015-12-02 03:54:57] rapidtrades : but we just need to stay flat for 8 hours and u make $1.78
[2015-12-02 03:55:17] psyfur : its possible
[2015-12-02 03:55:32] psyfur : the first dead cat bounce lasted ~16 hours
[2015-12-02 03:55:38] rapidtrades : yeah
[2015-12-02 03:55:49] psyfur : however i think more people were hopeful this was just a temporary drop
[2015-12-02 03:56:18] psyfur : to me it's pretty clear this runup is over now, but finex long/short ratios say most people disagree lol
[2015-12-02 03:56:21] psyfur : seriously wtf
[2015-12-02 03:56:42] rapidtrades : yeah at the top they were 90% long
[2015-12-02 03:56:55] rapidtrades : on all timeframes
[2015-12-02 03:56:57] psyfur : i fucked up badly at the top
[2015-12-02 03:57:05] psyfur : i shorted when the price triple topped
[2015-12-02 03:57:15] psyfur : but price barely went down on bitmex because of optimism
[2015-12-02 03:57:32] psyfur : so i got out of my position and bought a dip, i was expecting the big dump to start then and it didn't happen
[2015-12-02 03:57:49] psyfur : then the finex guy initiated the dump while i was still long
[2015-12-02 03:58:13] psyfur : i wonder if it would've gone higher if that person hadn't dumped 2k
[2015-12-02 03:58:59] rapidtrades : prolly not, there's still futures and CHINA
[2015-12-02 03:59:35] rapidtrades : rally never made sense to me, barely took any longs during
[2015-12-02 03:59:38] psyfur : there were still indicators of pump intention before finex dumped
[2015-12-02 03:59:53] psyfur : dips were met with swift and large support
[2015-12-02 04:00:03] rapidtrades : yeah looked unreal
[2015-12-02 04:01:13] rapidtrades : there were no pullbacks either...just price going flat
[2015-12-02 04:01:23] psyfur : ya
[2015-12-02 04:01:41] psyfur : i was watching price action carefully the entire pump
[2015-12-02 04:02:18] psyfur : 1. all dips were met with sudden violent support 2. tons and tons of fake volume in china but still there was almost no volume on finex even so
[2015-12-02 04:02:57] psyfur : i knew the growth was entirely manipulated
[2015-12-02 04:03:25] psyfur : that's why i think this is still going down, pumpers are gone and it's just hopeful ppl buying
[2015-12-02 04:04:51] rapidtrades : yeah I think we'll break $350 but dunno when
[2015-12-02 04:05:11] kingscrown : zzzz
[2015-12-02 04:05:41] kingscrown : give me retweet to promote bitmex already got a few - https://twitter.com/kingscrownBTC/status/671866849877979136
[2015-12-02 04:05:54] rapidtrades : kingscrown: get aids
[2015-12-02 04:06:07] babybaby : lol
[2015-12-02 04:06:14] SnackyCoins : rapidtrades: you are my favorite trader
[2015-12-02 04:06:26] babybaby : he trades nothing but likes to scream :D
[2015-12-02 04:06:39] babybaby : im green like him and i trade pennies
[2015-12-02 04:06:48] babybaby : means hes as lame as me
[2015-12-02 04:07:39] rapidtrades : babybaby: I already said several times that I'm testing new starts here with small sizes...
[2015-12-02 04:07:52] rapidtrades : strats*
[2015-12-02 04:16:34] kingscrown : rapidtrades get money
[2015-12-02 04:28:04] psyfur : here we go
[2015-12-02 04:29:36] rapidtrades : dum dum dum....
[2015-12-02 04:42:46] psyfur : bulls won't go down without a fight i guess
[2015-12-02 04:43:15] rapidtrades : yea
[2015-12-02 04:44:17] psyfur : people coming to their senses long/short
[2015-12-02 04:50:45] psyfur : this is looking exactly the same as the previous dead cat bounce just half the time period
[2015-12-02 04:52:28] rapidtrades : couldn't get filled on my longs noone's trading atm
[2015-12-02 04:52:47] rapidtrades : time to go to bed :)
[2015-12-02 04:52:47] podizzler3k : longs eh
[2015-12-02 04:52:53] podizzler3k : good call
[2015-12-02 05:13:47] messiaen8844 : nothing on 2070 then rapid ;) ?
[2015-12-02 05:16:32] laisee : think he missed an obv s/term bounce on 24h early today.
[2015-12-02 05:34:16] ethexio : eh, cryptowat.ch XBT24H broken bad
[2015-12-02 05:35:15] ethexio : Why is everything that tries to integrate with BitMEX broke? API is solid and beautiful.