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[2023-03-30 11:52:07] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: You are the one that is "aware" of your body and mind. In short, you are the "awareness" that is always ever present.
[2023-03-30 11:52:24] bluemaster : https://twitter.com/Vivek4real_/status/1641394883117084673
[2023-03-30 11:52:29] blueballsmaster : Senior. Professor.: yup
[2023-03-30 11:52:36] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: "Awarness does not need body and mind. It is self aware
[2023-03-30 11:52:48] blueballsmaster : Senior. Professor.: is it though?
[2023-03-30 11:52:58] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: Depends on how you take it up
[2023-03-30 11:53:11] blueballsmaster : Senior. Professor.: I think I'm conciousness
[2023-03-30 11:54:05] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: In short, awareness is nothing but God. Therefore, you are god aka awarness that is trapped to your body and mind. Consider your body like a container. Awarness aka God just wants to know the world through your container
[2023-03-30 11:54:12] Senior. Professor. : :doge: :catjam:
[2023-03-30 11:54:52] bullpoodeflector : Senior. Professor.: does that mean he wil... "enter me" ?
[2023-03-30 11:54:55] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: Now tell me how fantastic it is to know that you are the GOD
[2023-03-30 11:55:11] Senior. Professor. : bullpoodeflector: He does not enter you. You are the one that he is.
[2023-03-30 11:55:42] Senior. Professor. : bullpoodeflector: You are neither your body nor your mind. You are that which is "aware"
[2023-03-30 11:55:56] bullpoodeflector : ahhh i think therefor i am
[2023-03-30 11:56:11] blueballsmaster : no
[2023-03-30 11:56:19] blueballsmaster : you are
[2023-03-30 11:56:20] bullpoodeflector : blueballsmaster: 😆
[2023-03-30 11:56:34] bullpoodeflector : i are ?
[2023-03-30 11:56:39] blueballsmaster : are
[2023-03-30 11:56:41] bullpoodeflector : i think therefor i are
[2023-03-30 11:56:51] Senior. Professor. : bullpoodeflector: Proof: Thoughts come and go without you doing anything. So you are not your mind. Body functions (eg: Digestion) without you doing anything. Therefore you are not your body either. The only thing which could scientifically be you is the one that is "aware"
[2023-03-30 11:56:55] blueballsmaster : it has nothing to do with thinking
[2023-03-30 11:57:14] bullpoodeflector : the sentience
[2023-03-30 11:57:31] blueballsmaster : the consciousness
[2023-03-30 11:57:45] blueballsmaster : we are consciousness
[2023-03-30 11:57:47] bullpoodeflector : awareness is not sentience ?
[2023-03-30 11:57:51] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: Correct, ser
[2023-03-30 11:58:20] bullpoodeflector : awareness of ones self the i in me
[2023-03-30 11:58:29] Senior. Professor. : bullpoodeflector: Awareness is not sentience. In fact, you do not need a body or mind to be aware. Awareness is self aware
[2023-03-30 11:58:49] bullpoodeflector : but i have to be do i not
[2023-03-30 11:58:58] blueballsmaster : I'm aware but I'm not aware of the self
[2023-03-30 11:59:04] bullpoodeflector : in order to be aware i must exist in some form ?
[2023-03-30 11:59:06] blueballsmaster : I'm aware of body and mind
[2023-03-30 11:59:07] blueballsmaster : only
[2023-03-30 11:59:16] bullpoodeflector : kinda makes sense
[2023-03-30 11:59:48] blueballsmaster : exist as formless
[2023-03-30 12:00:03] bullpoodeflector : but its profound
[2023-03-30 12:00:27] blueballsmaster : it is, you really have to look at it to see
[2023-03-30 12:00:38] blueballsmaster : not something you can deduct by thinking
[2023-03-30 12:01:03] Senior. Professor. : bullpoodeflector: You don't have to be existing in some form. When you say existence you automatically refer to space and time. Awareness is beyond space and time. This may lead you to another question. Where is awareness in space: Awareness is "here". Where is awareness in time: Awareness is "Now" @blueballsmaster
[2023-03-30 12:01:56] blueballsmaster : only here and now exist
[2023-03-30 12:02:07] blueballsmaster : the rest is ballsack
[2023-03-30 12:02:14] blueballsmaster : 👍
[2023-03-30 12:03:56] Senior. Professor. : bullpoodeflector: @blueballsmaster Awareness does not have experiences. Experiences comes to awareness. It's same as dreaming during sleep. On a dream, you forgot / overlook your character and become a different character. You are in the streets of London during sleep - a pure play of consciousness. No real space and time exists in there - except you overlooking the person sleeping - The same is true in waking state. Waking state is all the play of consciousness. Nothing is Real. Waking state is just a lil more convincing dream
[2023-03-30 12:05:01] Senior. Professor. : bullpoodeflector: @blueballsmaster Since waking state is not true, the only thing that is ever true is the Awareness which is always self Aware which does not have birth or death
[2023-03-30 12:05:49] Senior. Professor. : bullpoodeflector: @blueballsmaster Awareness is jut another word aka synonym for God. Now tell me how does it feel to know that you are a GOD - this is the purpose of life :)
[2023-03-30 12:05:56] Senior. Professor. : to identify who you really are
[2023-03-30 12:07:18] blueballsmaster : I can understand it logically but it's hard to see myself as a part of God
[2023-03-30 12:09:13] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: that's because you are trapped in your body and mind and awareness is limited to it. Take a large 10 liter can full of water. You decide to fill this 10 liter of water into small 1 liter bottles - Now, is it the same water in 10 different bottle or different water -----> apply this logic to one large awareness which is filled into billions of life to know the world through billion window / perspective
[2023-03-30 12:09:13] blueballsmaster : I can see the mind, I can see the body, but I can't see my Self
[2023-03-30 12:09:58] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: To see yourself - you must self enquire - "Am I aware" <--- ask this to yourself. 1) am I aware 2) notice awareness 3) stay as awareness
[2023-03-30 12:10:14] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: when you ask yourself am I aware, your mind stops briefly
[2023-03-30 12:10:25] DarthBerner : leftists
[2023-03-30 12:10:35] blueballsmaster : it does
[2023-03-30 12:10:42] blueballsmaster : I will remain as the awareness
[2023-03-30 12:11:00] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: But mind will sooner or later overtake
[2023-03-30 12:11:12] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: It's difficult to remain as awareness
[2023-03-30 12:11:18] blueballsmaster : it has this tendency yes
[2023-03-30 12:11:43] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: Awareness does not know suffering. Only Mind knows suffering.
[2023-03-30 12:11:56] bluemaster : https://twitter.com/patrickbasedmn/status/1641079702767976450
[2023-03-30 12:14:14] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: I identified all of this in Vipassana Meditation, ser. It is a 10-day residential course where will be provided with free accommodation and food for 10 days and all you are allowed to do is nothing but meditation - no cell phones, no reading books, no outside contacts The course is available in over 150 countries completely free of cost. https://www.dhamma.org/en-US/index @bullpoodeflector
[2023-03-30 12:14:58] Senior. Professor. : just click on courses, search your country, apply online and attend it FREE
[2023-03-30 12:15:03] Senior. Professor. : very nice experience
[2023-03-30 12:16:37] blueballsmaster : that's awesome
[2023-03-30 12:16:50] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: It's available in Australia too
[2023-03-30 12:16:56] Senior. Professor. : :doge: :catjam:
[2023-03-30 12:17:01] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `BMEXUSD`: Sell 4625 Cont @ 0.431 ($570.68)
[2023-03-30 12:17:45] hehe MOON : When BMEX delisting?
[2023-03-30 12:18:56] wassa_wassa_bitconee : Who the fook buys bmex scam
[2023-03-30 12:19:17] blueballsmaster : Senior. Professor.: I'll apply after we hit ath 👍
[2023-03-30 12:19:27] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: lol
[2023-03-30 12:20:13] blueballsmaster : just 4 more months
[2023-03-30 12:20:39] blueballsmaster : gonna bulldoze it with green dildos
[2023-03-30 12:21:18] hehe MOON : wassa_wassa_bitconee: @noom :pepe:
[2023-03-30 12:21:21] blueballsmaster : Senior. Professor.: are you also remaining as the awareness right now?
[2023-03-30 12:22:27] blueballsmaster : :catjam:
[2023-03-30 12:23:34] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: No, I switch between the mind and awareness. I switch to awareness during difficult times. Take a thought that you don't really like --> a thought arises and your mood goes down ---> now self enquire --> am I aware - the moment you ask this question, the thought disappears in flash.
[2023-03-30 12:23:58] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: Awareness and mind cannot co-exist
[2023-03-30 12:24:47] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: If mind is your torture, switch to Awareness. But please also be aware that you need your mind to function day-to-day as human
[2023-03-30 12:25:20] blueballsmaster : yup, but I'm still aware of my mind
[2023-03-30 12:25:56] blueballsmaster : I have not slept for quite some time
[2023-03-30 12:26:09] blueballsmaster : and the mind's pull is not as attractive anymore
[2023-03-30 12:26:33] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: Try this experiment: As long as you are aware of your mind, no thought would arise. But a "thought" will eventually overlook awareness sooner or later just as a dream overlooks the sleeping person
[2023-03-30 12:27:58] blueballsmaster : initially the mind gets blank, then thoughts start arising
[2023-03-30 12:28:06] blueballsmaster : but I'm still aware of the thoughts
[2023-03-30 12:28:10] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: That's exactly my point
[2023-03-30 12:28:38] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: Thoughts and awareness cannot co-exist. You can't say you are aware of your thought and at the same time a thought arised
[2023-03-30 12:29:06] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: But the longer you are aware of your thought, a thought will overlook the awareness just as a dream overlooks the sleeping person
[2023-03-30 12:29:23] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: that's because thought needs to survive in order to survive the **human container**
[2023-03-30 12:29:45] Senior. Professor. : I highlight container because this container is essential to function as human
[2023-03-30 12:29:54] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `SOLUSDT`: Sell 160 SOL @ 20.48 ($3,280.64) - Where we're going, we don't need stops
[2023-03-30 12:30:20] blueballsmaster : maybe if I am aware of the self then no thoughts can arise
[2023-03-30 12:30:39] bullpoodeflector : Senior. Professor.: entity and vessel, i get it ! very profound
[2023-03-30 12:30:43] blueballsmaster : but if I'm aware of the mind then there is no obstacle in thoughts arising
[2023-03-30 12:30:44] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: You can practice doing it
[2023-03-30 12:31:00] blueballsmaster : I'm practicing it right now
[2023-03-30 12:31:00] Senior. Professor. : bullpoodeflector: Thank you, ser. mahalo :doge: :catjam:
[2023-03-30 12:31:05] blueballsmaster : :catjam:
[2023-03-30 12:34:18] blueballsmaster : Senior. Professor.: is bitcoin aware?
[2023-03-30 12:34:48] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: Ask yourself to this question. Is bitcoin appearing inside of consciousness or outside of consciousness?
[2023-03-30 12:35:22] blueballsmaster : Senior. Professor.: how can something be outside of consciousness...
[2023-03-30 12:35:50] blueballsmaster : everything is inside consciousness
[2023-03-30 12:35:52] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: True, in that case Bitcoin is part of consciousness. So Bitcoin is aware
[2023-03-30 12:36:01] blueballsmaster : 😱
[2023-03-30 12:36:19] blueballsmaster : :doge:
[2023-03-30 12:36:21] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: In fact, everything is aware - this leads us to non-duality
[2023-03-30 12:36:35] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: non-duality mean everything is one -
[2023-03-30 12:36:41] Senior. Professor. : which is synonym to God
[2023-03-30 12:36:42] hehe MOON : 🚀🚀🚀
[2023-03-30 12:36:47] Bitfrebbe : GG dxy, bye
[2023-03-30 12:36:54] blueballsmaster : Senior. Professor.: the mind refuses to believe that
[2023-03-30 12:37:48] blueballsmaster : haha but I'm not the mind
[2023-03-30 12:37:52] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: Your statement : "the mind refuses to believe that" <--- Why bother about something that is not YOU. Remember, mind is a gadget, and it's not YOU. You are that which is "aware"
[2023-03-30 12:37:57] bluemaster : https://twitter.com/_B___S/status/1641126892458631168
[2023-03-30 12:38:10] blueballsmaster : Senior. Professor.: exactly 😎
[2023-03-30 12:38:38] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: :doge: :catjam:
[2023-03-30 12:39:04] blueballsmaster : :catjam:
[2023-03-30 12:42:19] top kitten : More unemployed burgers. Who will buy the corns?
[2023-03-30 12:42:43] blueballsmaster : top kitten: no one need to buy it
[2023-03-30 12:42:51] blueballsmaster : top kitten: alts will dump into btc
[2023-03-30 13:02:56] DarthBerner : cant manage all that risk properly
[2023-03-30 13:02:59] DarthBerner : need to diversify
[2023-03-30 13:03:05] DarthBerner : sub managers
[2023-03-30 13:03:22] DarthBerner : this going to dump hard soon imo
[2023-03-30 13:03:25] DarthBerner : warned you all .
[2023-03-30 13:03:31] DarthBerner : on god.
[2023-03-30 13:04:43] Dario2 : Senior. Professor.: You said everything is one in essense. I tend to agree with that for some time now. If I may add, in bose-einstein condensate, a state of matter in which all quantum particles, when cooled down to absolute zero, start behaving as a single entity described by one macroscopic quantum wave function.
[2023-03-30 13:06:37] Dario2 : Maybe this phenomena can be considered as a proof for your theory.
[2023-03-30 13:11:17] blueballsmaster : I always wondered if I alone exist
[2023-03-30 13:11:35] blueballsmaster : because as consciousness I am limited to subjective experience of things
[2023-03-30 13:12:03] blueballsmaster : I can't experience what other person experiences
[2023-03-30 13:12:28] blueballsmaster : it could be that everyone else is a simulation or npcs
[2023-03-30 13:12:45] blueballsmaster : no way to prove that it's not
[2023-03-30 13:13:28] blueballsmaster : aka so called hard problem of consciousness
[2023-03-30 13:14:24] HuskySquared : blueballsmaster: what eth long
[2023-03-30 13:14:31] HuskySquared : holy fuck wtf eth went down to 1750?
[2023-03-30 13:14:34] HuskySquared : i just now notice my position is gone
[2023-03-30 13:14:35] HuskySquared : wtf
[2023-03-30 13:14:48] blueballsmaster : HuskySquared: oppsie
[2023-03-30 13:14:54] HuskySquared : /upnl ethusd ``` :bitmex: ETHUSD: 5.0547 XBT UPNL ```
[2023-03-30 13:15:00] blueballsmaster : hahahah
[2023-03-30 13:15:04] blueballsmaster : you tricked me
[2023-03-30 13:15:21] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `BMEXUSD`: Sell 2000 Cont @ 0.425 ($243.29)
[2023-03-30 13:15:21] HuskySquared : husky squared
[2023-03-30 13:15:23] HuskySquared : :me:
[2023-03-30 13:15:28] blueballsmaster : the boss 😎
[2023-03-30 13:17:43] Senior. Professor. : Dario2: 100% agree, ser :doge: :catjam:
[2023-03-30 13:18:04] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: In fact, you alone exist. You are very right :catjam:
[2023-03-30 13:18:30] blueballsmaster : Senior. Professor.: isn't it a bit lonely then
[2023-03-30 13:20:31] blueballsmaster : but I'm not the loneliness
[2023-03-30 13:21:01] Senior. Professor. : blueballsmaster: Correct. You are not the loneliness, you are the one that is aware of the loneliness :doge: :catjam:
[2023-03-30 13:21:12] blueballsmaster : :catjam:
[2023-03-30 13:25:40] wassa_wassa_bitconee : only stupid cocksookers buying right now.
[2023-03-30 13:26:36] blueballsmaster : a lot of people love to cook socks ;)
[2023-03-30 13:27:12] blueballsmaster : nothing's wrong with
[2023-03-30 13:27:51] blueballsmaster : juicy 😂
[2023-03-30 13:28:40] wassa_wassa_bitconee : blueballsmaster: do you love to sook cocks as well ?
[2023-03-30 13:28:51] wassa_wassa_bitconee : #justCurious
[2023-03-30 13:29:16] blueballsmaster : guess not
[2023-03-30 13:30:00] blueballsmaster : which is why I bought lower
[2023-03-30 13:30:39] wassa_wassa_bitconee : blueballsmaster: I mean in real life ?
[2023-03-30 13:31:20] blueballsmaster : lmao, no
[2023-03-30 13:32:17] wassa_wassa_bitconee : blueballsmaster: I don't have any issues even if you do.
[2023-03-30 13:32:45] blueballsmaster : me neither
[2023-03-30 13:34:09] petyx : we going down
[2023-03-30 13:34:52] blueballsmaster : going sideways
[2023-03-30 13:36:23] HuskySquared : USD -0.5
[2023-03-30 13:37:15] blueballsmaster : will do another -0.5 shortly
[2023-03-30 13:38:28] HuskySquared : like a stone
[2023-03-30 13:41:29] bullpoodeflector : ppl still buying.... no down no missing chromosome
[2023-03-30 13:41:54] bullpoodeflector : no cooking socks
[2023-03-30 13:42:02] bullpoodeflector : no cooking fat
[2023-03-30 13:43:25] blueballsmaster : there is a food, deep fried pork fat
[2023-03-30 13:43:48] blueballsmaster : crunchy but meh
[2023-03-30 13:44:10] DarthBerner : short arb
[2023-03-30 13:45:23] bullpoodeflector : blueballsmaster: scratchings....
[2023-03-30 13:45:42] bullpoodeflector : pork belly scratchings, smells like ass
[2023-03-30 13:45:57] blueballsmaster : yeah 😂
[2023-03-30 13:46:08] blueballsmaster : they dip it in vinegar
[2023-03-30 13:46:34] bullpoodeflector : oooooof i ate it when i was under the influence a few times always regret it
[2023-03-30 13:46:44] blueballsmaster : 😂
[2023-03-30 13:47:08] blueballsmaster : have you tried the duck embryo?
[2023-03-30 13:47:14] bullpoodeflector : but keep diving in. absolute idiot i admit but its the bar environment that does it i think ...
[2023-03-30 13:47:30] bullpoodeflector : nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[2023-03-30 13:47:43] DarthBerner : ARB
[2023-03-30 13:47:45] bullpoodeflector : i have done larvae though and crickets
[2023-03-30 13:47:55] blueballsmaster : yikes
[2023-03-30 13:48:00] bullpoodeflector : and crispy tarantula
[2023-03-30 13:48:03] bmexlover : new day, new dump bmex too
[2023-03-30 13:48:03] bmexlover : lol
[2023-03-30 13:48:07] bullpoodeflector : and sheeps head
[2023-03-30 13:48:13] blueballsmaster : I tried cobra
[2023-03-30 13:48:18] blueballsmaster : yummy
[2023-03-30 13:48:33] bullpoodeflector : smalehove @blueballsmaster sounds bad but im guessng you mean the snake lol
[2023-03-30 13:48:49] blueballsmaster : yup, taste like chicken but soft
[2023-03-30 13:48:50] bullpoodeflector : its porky tender chicken right
[2023-03-30 13:48:54] bullpoodeflector : lol snap
[2023-03-30 13:48:59] blueballsmaster : 👍
[2023-03-30 13:49:00] bullpoodeflector : real good
[2023-03-30 13:49:27] DarthBerner : ARB 0 soon
[2023-03-30 13:49:46] bullpoodeflector : thats what the lesbian frog said to the other... its true we do taste like chicken
[2023-03-30 13:49:57] bullpoodeflector : ☺️
[2023-03-30 13:50:00] blueballsmaster : :kek:
[2023-03-30 13:52:12] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3600 USD @ 28459
[2023-03-30 13:52:13] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `ARBUSDT`: Sell 675 ARB @ 1.344 ($907.40)
[2023-03-30 13:52:27] blueballsmaster : wicky wicky wicky wicky
[2023-03-30 13:52:29] DarthBerner : RIP ARB
[2023-03-30 13:52:30] bmexlover : The only thing that's been burning red on my watchlist for days is bmex. and uninterrupted red every day -
[2023-03-30 13:52:32] DarthBerner : haha XD
[2023-03-30 13:52:37] DarthBerner : GET IN QUICK
[2023-03-30 13:52:38] 9figrs : thanks for buying all my bitcoins bulltards
[2023-03-30 13:52:39] DarthBerner : ARB ALL
[2023-03-30 13:52:49] 9figrs : buying all my bitcoins at 28000 avg sell price for me
[2023-03-30 13:52:56] 9figrs : someone has to lose in the market lol
[2023-03-30 13:53:34] blueballsmaster : try that again at support :kek:
[2023-03-30 13:54:17] 9figrs : retail minds lol
[2023-03-30 13:54:27] DarthBerner : ARB TOPPED
[2023-03-30 13:54:29] DarthBerner : GO SHORT
[2023-03-30 13:54:32] 9figrs : retail already in so much profits from the 15k low, but they are too braindead to take profit
[2023-03-30 13:54:33] DarthBerner : ARB!
[2023-03-30 13:54:44] 9figrs : retail going to round trip their spot bags
[2023-03-30 13:54:47] 9figrs : then sell at a new low
[2023-03-30 13:55:01] 9figrs : so they bought low forgot to sell high and gonna puke their bags even lower
[2023-03-30 13:55:05] 9figrs : sad reality of a bulltard
[2023-03-30 13:55:30] blueballsmaster : exactly
[2023-03-30 13:55:53] 9figrs : yeah this is the top
[2023-03-30 13:55:57] 9figrs : 30k is a fairy tale
[2023-03-30 13:55:59] 9figrs : ive said for so long
[2023-03-30 13:56:06] 9figrs : 30k is maybe in another dimension
[2023-03-30 13:56:13] blueballsmaster : will hold until liq
[2023-03-30 13:56:25] blueballsmaster : you'll have to sweat for it to dump 😂
[2023-03-30 13:56:46] 9figrs : 0 sweat here, people are actually paying 28k for 1 btc???
[2023-03-30 13:57:07] 9figrs : cant be me, ill wait to pay 13k and 10k for 1 btc
[2023-03-30 13:57:29] Buckztr : 3hr xbt https://www.tradingview.com/x/uaheK0HV bull
[2023-03-30 13:57:32] 9figrs : you realise bitcoin is the speculation machine
[2023-03-30 13:57:36] 9figrs : 30k 40k is only speculation
[2023-03-30 13:57:42] 9figrs : then when bull tards come back to reality
[2023-03-30 13:58:02] elChisoso : I'll pay ~4k tops for 1 btc.
[2023-03-30 13:58:04] blueballsmaster : we have not hit important resistance yet
[2023-03-30 13:58:05] 9figrs : and bull tards have been taken care of the bull run will begin
[2023-03-30 13:58:27] 9figrs : im an expert on human psychology
[2023-03-30 13:58:32] blueballsmaster : this is just low time frame noise
[2023-03-30 13:58:33] LittleBuck : 3day xbt bull https://www.tradingview.com/x/bsjj6vCb
[2023-03-30 13:58:35] Sir-Nikko : /competition status ``` :bitmex: Active competition: March 24 Competition Starts on 2023-03-24 Ends on 2023-03-30 Scores based on PNL ```
[2023-03-30 13:58:50] 9figrs : what we are witnessing now is people being horny because maybe their spot bags are going up?
[2023-03-30 13:58:52] Sir-Nikko : /competition rank ``` :bitmex: Sir-Nikko rank: 15 ```
[2023-03-30 13:59:02] 9figrs : its normal omg im winning its gonna win more
[2023-03-30 13:59:04] 9figrs : go go go
[2023-03-30 13:59:38] 9figrs : so yeah there is loads of people in this market that will never be profitable
[2023-03-30 13:59:45] 9figrs : some will learn
[2023-03-30 13:59:47] blueballsmaster : you are right but that's why we dipped to 20
[2023-03-30 13:59:58] blueballsmaster : you are just ignoring the data lol
[2023-03-30 14:00:05] 9figrs : blueballsmaster: gosh you are retarded
[2023-03-30 14:00:28] blueballsmaster : as all bulls
[2023-03-30 14:00:30] elChisoso : Sure it will spike up a few times on the way down to keep the dream alive, but yeah, this dead cat is completed.
[2023-03-30 14:00:36] blueballsmaster : by design we are retarded
[2023-03-30 14:00:39] blueballsmaster : we are bulls
[2023-03-30 14:00:41] 9figrs : elChisoso: spot on
[2023-03-30 14:00:46] blueballsmaster : not selling
[2023-03-30 14:00:49] 9figrs : they have to keep bitcoin ponzi alive
[2023-03-30 14:00:52] blueballsmaster : so you can suck our ass
[2023-03-30 14:01:00] 9figrs : gotta have some fake pumps here and there
[2023-03-30 14:01:22] Sir-Nikko : Taking profit never made a man poor. Still u want 2 ride the winning horses and not sell 2 early hard 2 manage imo🙈
[2023-03-30 14:01:43] blueballsmaster : because we aim for ath
[2023-03-30 14:01:57] 9figrs : Sir-Nikko: yeah well i bought 16k and sold avg of 28k
[2023-03-30 14:02:10] 9figrs : but over all bitcoins growth will not be similar to previous years
[2023-03-30 14:02:12] blueballsmaster : if we tp here it's nothing compared to profit if it went to ath
[2023-03-30 14:02:18] 9figrs : so many people already got rekt
[2023-03-30 14:02:23] 9figrs : and either scared
[2023-03-30 14:02:31] Sir-Nikko : blueballsmaster: Always aim for ath 💪 just alot of dissepointments inbetween😅
[2023-03-30 14:02:32] 9figrs : and all the people that would have wanted to get into crypto are already in it
[2023-03-30 14:02:47] 9figrs : I can prove this^
[2023-03-30 14:02:56] 9figrs : as you all probably have some friends that you tell about crypto
[2023-03-30 14:03:01] 9figrs : to make money and they still refuse
[2023-03-30 14:03:09] 9figrs : it is what it is, same with stock market
[2023-03-30 14:03:21] 9figrs : some people rather just work and live a "normal" life
[2023-03-30 14:03:39] elChisoso : It cannot go up unless someone buys it. Everyone cannot buy at 16k and then think it will go up by itself. The last move up had seriosely low spot volume, so noticeable that it was noteworthy.
[2023-03-30 14:03:51] elChisoso : Need to go lower to find new demand zones.
[2023-03-30 14:03:56] Mr.Kazi : chart looks pepe.. feeling shorting this corn but worried that you guys will counter trade me.. Haha
[2023-03-30 14:04:01] 9figrs : elChisoso: also this move a lot of retail are in profits, people dont realise that this is not how markets work
[2023-03-30 14:04:05] 9figrs : whales havent even started buying
[2023-03-30 14:04:12] 9figrs : although whales dont have to buy bottoms
[2023-03-30 14:04:16] 9figrs : they still havent started buying
[2023-03-30 14:04:33] Sir-Nikko : 9figrs: thats awesome imagine u want a pullback 2 arround 22-24? Very likely happening🙏 But what if it dont where do u te-entry? 32? 38? 44? 78? Or just next 20-30% pullback?
[2023-03-30 14:04:37] elChisoso : 9figrs: That is exactly how it works indeed. Cannot allow retail to be in profit for to long, they might realise profits
[2023-03-30 14:04:47] 9figrs : Sir-Nikko: bro you are on drugs im not listening to you
[2023-03-30 14:04:49] 9figrs : go seek help
[2023-03-30 14:05:06] 9figrs : elChisoso: yeah so some retail will do the right thing others would just round trip if not sell lower
[2023-03-30 14:05:15] blueballsmaster : 9figrs: if you can read whale minds what the heck are you doing in troll box lol
[2023-03-30 14:05:26] 9figrs : I know some whales who are even prefering stable coin over btc and shit
[2023-03-30 14:05:29] blueballsmaster : 9figrs: you shold be on a beach sipping some cocktail and talking to girls
[2023-03-30 14:05:34] 9figrs : blueballsmaster: guess you never heard of friends?
[2023-03-30 14:05:42] blueballsmaster : 9figrs: lmao
[2023-03-30 14:05:45] Sir-Nikko : 9figrs: they dont want 2 take me in, 2 long gone they say☹️
[2023-03-30 14:05:47] 9figrs : blueballsmaster: you telling me how to live my life?
[2023-03-30 14:05:47] elChisoso : 9figrs: Yes, and the round trip will make them fear to buy again, thats why it will go deep, very deep.
[2023-03-30 14:05:57] blueballsmaster : 9figrs: idk if you are serious or retarded
[2023-03-30 14:05:58] 9figrs : elChisoso: exactly you got it
[2023-03-30 14:06:09] 9figrs : blueballsmaster: bro you are calling for 30k 40k you are the retard
[2023-03-30 14:06:37] elChisoso : Thats the downside of "diamond hands" the round trip makes them loos purchasing power that they would have gotten if they would have taken profits.
[2023-03-30 14:06:39] blueballsmaster : 9figrs: cuz monthly
[2023-03-30 14:06:48] blueballsmaster : 9figrs: Im doing some proper ta
[2023-03-30 14:06:55] 9figrs : blueballsmaster: and i said the other day, monthly is TOO HIGH of a time frame to do TA on
[2023-03-30 14:07:06] blueballsmaster : 9figrs: :kek:
[2023-03-30 14:07:14] 9figrs : its almost as if you are coping with your bull thesis
[2023-03-30 14:07:20] 9figrs : OMG MONTHLY LOOKS SO GOOD
[2023-03-30 14:07:34] 9figrs : well lets see the next 4 months
[2023-03-30 14:07:36] 9figrs : okay?
[2023-03-30 14:07:36] elChisoso : I do play on weekly/monthly, but I am aware that any bias on those timeframes takes loooong time to play out. Remember yearly closed bearish engulfing. ;-)
[2023-03-30 14:07:53] blueballsmaster : keep shilling your 🩳 lol, no point arguing
[2023-03-30 14:07:55] 9figrs : weekly is better to use than monthly
[2023-03-30 14:08:22] elChisoso : yeah, weekly for short term bias.
[2023-03-30 14:08:42] 9figrs : blueballsmaster: bro look at binance chart monthly it only has the data back to 2017, probably where the data is slightly useful from
[2023-03-30 14:08:51] 9figrs : so 6 years of data
[2023-03-30 14:08:54] 9figrs : and you are using the monthly
[2023-03-30 14:08:55] 9figrs : its not enough
[2023-03-30 14:09:48] LittleBuck : 3day btc bull ez trade long https://www.tradingview.com/x/Qh6v6mY6
[2023-03-30 14:09:56] 9figrs : elChisoso: but bro i expect dump to a new low over some months, then another scam pump like what weve had now
[2023-03-30 14:10:05] 9figrs : then dump to a newer low after than then bull run can commence
[2023-03-30 14:10:26] RedNWhite : U talk about data meanwhile bmex chart not working like a lazy Romanian guy in his 30s… this is the real problem here
[2023-03-30 14:10:35] Sir-Nikko : Best of luck guys, indeed i think many a ppl short 28k strong resistance above our heads. Just like 6k in 2017
[2023-03-30 14:10:40] RedNWhite : rest is up to the casino gods
[2023-03-30 14:10:53] 9figrs : bulls cant comprehend that they came too late to btc, but in reality its not even too late
[2023-03-30 14:10:57] Sir-Nikko : 2018’
[2023-03-30 14:11:03] LittleBuck : 9figrs: expecting scam dump very negative thoughts/prospect
[2023-03-30 14:11:05] 9figrs : btc doesnt need to rush to 30k 40k 69k
[2023-03-30 14:11:19] 9figrs : LittleBuck: reality hurts doesnt it
[2023-03-30 14:11:23] LittleBuck : u wish for scam..lol/friedman
[2023-03-30 14:11:33] LittleBuck : wish away punk @9figrs
[2023-03-30 14:11:51] LittleBuck : the only scammer is u @9figrs
[2023-03-30 14:11:57] 9figrs : but look at october 2021 monthly
[2023-03-30 14:12:01] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `BMEXUSD`: Sell 3000 Cont @ 0.425 ($362.72)
[2023-03-30 14:12:04] 9figrs : blueballsmaster:
[2023-03-30 14:12:11] LittleBuck : 9figrs: look yurself in da mirror
[2023-03-30 14:12:12] 9figrs : look october 2021 monthly
[2023-03-30 14:12:26] RedNWhite : bmex delivery
[2023-03-30 14:12:28] 9figrs : why didnt that go to 100k
[2023-03-30 14:12:30] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSDT`: Sell 0.2600 XBT @ 28404 ($7,386.85)
[2023-03-30 14:12:30] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 13200 USD @ 28413
[2023-03-30 14:12:51] RedNWhite : 1mil?
[2023-03-30 14:13:04] 9figrs : I cant wait to see the trollbox change over the months
[2023-03-30 14:13:10] Buckztr : pump it btc
[2023-03-30 14:13:13] 9figrs : all of you bulls would be back working at mcdonalds
[2023-03-30 14:13:18] HuskySquared : JUST IN: Michael Burry says he "was wrong to say sell."
[2023-03-30 14:13:19] HuskySquared : LMAO
[2023-03-30 14:13:23] Sir-Nikko : Personally im not trading btc at all atm. Just longing thoose damn alts no one talks about anymore. Who knows mabye the tide is turning at some point🙏 Most are very sloughterd on monthly😅🤫
[2023-03-30 14:13:29] 9figrs : HuskySquared: best short signal ever
[2023-03-30 14:13:31] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 90200 USD @ 28320 - Make trading great again
[2023-03-30 14:13:35] -Xbtc- : yikes
[2023-03-30 14:13:41] RedNWhite : he was market pumped
[2023-03-30 14:13:41] -Xbtc- : HuskySquared: LMAOOOOO
[2023-03-30 14:13:42] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 103300 USD @ 28301 - GODLIKE
[2023-03-30 14:13:48] -Xbtc- : TOP CONFIRMED
[2023-03-30 14:13:50] 9figrs : michael burry the new Jim Cramer
[2023-03-30 14:13:52] Mr.Kazi : oops
[2023-03-30 14:13:52] HuskySquared : -Xbtc-: now we crash holy shit
[2023-03-30 14:13:54] 9figrs : guess illuminati got him
[2023-03-30 14:13:56] -Xbtc- : HAHAHAHAHHAHAH
[2023-03-30 14:14:02] Buckztr : 3hr xbt https://www.tradingview.com/x/zUGVbMUW bull
[2023-03-30 14:14:10] HuskySquared : -Xbtc-: lets have faith
[2023-03-30 14:14:12] RedNWhite : did sato got liq?
[2023-03-30 14:14:20] HuskySquared : my eth position does not look hto tho
[2023-03-30 14:14:22] -Xbtc- : 28260 is stong
[2023-03-30 14:14:29] -Xbtc- : wait
[2023-03-30 14:14:51] Buckztr : btc this bird is gonna fly
[2023-03-30 14:14:56] RedNWhite : -Xbtc-: is it big support?
[2023-03-30 14:15:05] -Xbtc- : yes
[2023-03-30 14:15:19] -Xbtc- : but 29k is even stronget its the 1.618 fib
[2023-03-30 14:15:21] RonnieREKT : 🔥 Liquidated long on `FLRUSDT`: Sell 1 FLR @ 0.0369 ($0.04)
[2023-03-30 14:15:23] -Xbtc- : stronger
[2023-03-30 14:15:24] Buckztr : btc the old dump n pump
[2023-03-30 14:15:38] 9figrs : bulls say anything to cope
[2023-03-30 14:15:42] 9figrs : its hilarious
[2023-03-30 14:15:43] blueballsmaster : ok we just hit 28260 @-Xbtc-
[2023-03-30 14:15:51] blueballsmaster : what now
[2023-03-30 14:15:51] -Xbtc- : lets see
[2023-03-30 14:15:58] -Xbtc- : if brakes then ouch
[2023-03-30 14:16:03] blueballsmaster : 👌
[2023-03-30 14:16:09] -Xbtc- : xD
[2023-03-30 14:16:10] RedNWhite : Maybe the biggest…
[2023-03-30 14:17:25] Sir-Nikko : Btc is very strong aslong as it sit’s above 28k imo of we break 26.5 i might open a short🙈
[2023-03-30 14:18:05] 9figrs : so many new comers, maybe their first bear market
[2023-03-30 14:18:23] RedNWhite : Maybe all long 28250 together
[2023-03-30 14:18:27] RedNWhite : easy money
[2023-03-30 14:18:33] 9figrs : RedNWhite: lay off the drugs kid.
[2023-03-30 14:18:37] elChisoso : It is not uncommon with 100%+ dead cat suckers rallies in bear markets. patience is all you need.
[2023-03-30 14:18:40] bmagic : HuskySquared: if btc holds 28k then ETH position will continue strong
[2023-03-30 14:18:42] RedNWhite : 👽
[2023-03-30 14:19:14] Buckztr : 3hr btc pamp it up https://www.tradingview.com/x/cvENMhCi
[2023-03-30 14:19:22] bmagic : https://www.tradingview.com/x/2a7YAOqa/
[2023-03-30 14:19:42] bmagic : sideways for rest of weekend
[2023-03-30 14:19:50] bmagic : go outside and play
[2023-03-30 14:19:58] Buckztr : where da bearz?handz up..
[2023-03-30 14:20:12] Buckztr : while i pilfer yur pocketz
[2023-03-30 14:20:28] -Xbtc- : the 1D looks ugly
[2023-03-30 14:20:31] -Xbtc- : yikes
[2023-03-30 14:20:33] Mr.Kazi : bulls, whatsup
[2023-03-30 14:20:41] Mr.Kazi : can we send this corn back
[2023-03-30 14:20:56] bmagic : -Xbtc-: 100% retracement is normal in the buildup to 35k
[2023-03-30 14:21:13] bmagic : if we hold this level rest of weekend its go time
[2023-03-30 14:21:34] 9figrs : -Xbtc-: and the weekly gonna close red
[2023-03-30 14:21:51] Sir-Nikko : /position eosusd if u long the top u just need some faith🙏 Btw what does eos even do theese days dead since one can remember. Weird thing in crypto is that thoose often get the pump imo idk why🙈😅 ``` :bitmex: EOSUSD: 800 Cont @ 1.199 ```
[2023-03-30 14:21:59] Buckztr : no ifs btc buul
[2023-03-30 14:22:13] 9figrs : its normal for bulls to cry everyone to buy at any price
[2023-03-30 14:22:24] Buckztr : itz time/btc to shine
[2023-03-30 14:23:13] Buckztr : look april 1st in past..
[2023-03-30 14:23:41] 9figrs : Buckztr: the past doesnt matter
[2023-03-30 14:23:53] Buckztr : im temptedto look back at a apil 1 in history for btc/major pumpage
[2023-03-30 14:23:53] Mr.Kazi : Sir-Nikko: books for EOS looks empty
[2023-03-30 14:23:56] 9figrs : thats another way bulls cope
[2023-03-30 14:24:03] 9figrs : "look at the past" im a bulltard omg!
[2023-03-30 14:24:05] Buckztr : flee altz
[2023-03-30 14:24:18] Buckztr : watch exit volumes/alts
[2023-03-30 14:24:31] Sir-Nikko : Buckztr: you might b right but btc dominance already getting resistance. Might aswell b alts turn 2 catch up🧐
[2023-03-30 14:24:40] Buckztr : yes you can be played like a fiddle/altz
[2023-03-30 14:25:04] Buckztr : Sir-Nikko: might doesnt cut it for me i need definites
[2023-03-30 14:25:12] Sir-Nikko : Mr.Kazi: not that bad, take a look at blur 😅
[2023-03-30 14:25:18] elChisoso : That moment when you realize you can make money both ways...
[2023-03-30 14:25:45] Buckztr : im no gambler 100x long entry btc 28483.8 btc
[2023-03-30 14:25:48] Sir-Nikko : Buckztr: there is none trading is always a game of propebilities
[2023-03-30 14:26:07] Buckztr : Sir-Nikko: best to look at it that way yes
[2023-03-30 14:26:24] Buckztr : but possibilities are there /not
[2023-03-30 14:26:39] 9figrs : elChisoso: yeah it seems bulls only think market can go up and can only make money going up
[2023-03-30 14:26:46] Buckztr : im gonna mooon with btc fak the rest
[2023-03-30 14:27:05] elChisoso : 9figrs: Not only that, they are scared of selling, like it is blasphemy or something.
[2023-03-30 14:27:11] Buckztr : http://www.cryptobubbles.net see for yurselves
[2023-03-30 14:27:11] elChisoso : odd behavior
[2023-03-30 14:27:11] Sir-Nikko : when one starts run and fomo kicks in in my world i think an altcoin can run 5x while btc mabye does 50%
[2023-03-30 14:27:31] RedNWhite : Daily looks like the prom queen didn’t showed up, while u stand there with a hard on wrapped condom preejaculate
[2023-03-30 14:27:51] Buckztr : RedNWhite: say that again dear in a softer voice
[2023-03-30 14:27:57] RedNWhite : ;))
[2023-03-30 14:28:11] Sir-Nikko : Buckztr: indeed btc is the safest bet 🙏 best of luck sir🤞
[2023-03-30 14:28:29] LittleBuck : 100x long entry 28495.549 go btc
[2023-03-30 14:28:32] elChisoso : When alts starts popping like popcorn, you know btc has topped out.
[2023-03-30 14:28:45] elChisoso : alts has been popping daily lately one by one.
[2023-03-30 14:28:45] RedNWhite : I can say that in James Bond old Scottish voice
[2023-03-30 14:28:52] LittleBuck : Sir-Nikko: same back..we're all lovers/kisses
[2023-03-30 14:29:14] LittleBuck : Sir-Nikko: sir
[2023-03-30 14:29:14] Sir-Nikko : LittleBuck: 🥂
[2023-03-30 14:29:17] elChisoso : But common sense does not exist.
[2023-03-30 14:29:37] bullpoodeflector : whats rednwhite and sits in the corner ?
[2023-03-30 14:29:38] LittleBuck : im a boy so maybe jus hugz is good eh
[2023-03-30 14:29:59] LittleBuck : boy victim..lol
[2023-03-30 14:30:15] elChisoso : A pastrychef.
[2023-03-30 14:30:18] Sir-Nikko : elChisoso: still they might just starting. Btc is the one incressing dominance past weeks
[2023-03-30 14:30:19] bullpoodeflector : a baby with a razorblade...
[2023-03-30 14:30:22] LittleBuck : yur all victimz
[2023-03-30 14:30:26] bullpoodeflector : 😳
[2023-03-30 14:30:40] LittleBuck : now wherez da bearzzz?handzup
[2023-03-30 14:30:52] LittleBuck : rtq mex 28432
[2023-03-30 14:30:58] bullpoodeflector : LittleBuck: you low on testosterone ?
[2023-03-30 14:31:02] LittleBuck : partee gonna start btc luvrz
[2023-03-30 14:31:17] LittleBuck : bullpoodeflector: u serious..im large testes
[2023-03-30 14:31:18] elChisoso : Sir-Nikko: Nah, problem with bulls is that they only understand bias that fits to their narrative. They filter hard to remove negative bias, as a bear, you understand that things move up and down.
[2023-03-30 14:31:48] Sir-Nikko : elChisoso: and this is far from real fomo. I dont hear coworkers talking about crypto in the past year. Top of the market they where poping up like popcorns😅
[2023-03-30 14:31:57] LittleBuck : bullpoodeflector: maybe cause im old..ive been interested in doing some shat..roydz
[2023-03-30 14:32:08] bullpoodeflector : 😌
[2023-03-30 14:32:12] LittleBuck : im prettyt fakin big n strong now really
[2023-03-30 14:32:28] LittleBuck : but..heyy..looks n feels good/maybe
[2023-03-30 14:32:28] bullpoodeflector : height weight press iq go...
[2023-03-30 14:32:46] bullpoodeflector : 😆
[2023-03-30 14:32:50] LittleBuck : i gotta surf the big onez again/dumpers
[2023-03-30 14:33:11] LittleBuck : north maui
[2023-03-30 14:33:13] Sir-Nikko : elChisoso: agree could still easily reach 40k before heading back 2 25k imo or even testing the lows of 16k
[2023-03-30 14:33:15] LittleBuck : da nang
[2023-03-30 14:33:24] LittleBuck : tofino
[2023-03-30 14:33:29] bullpoodeflector : du maaaa
[2023-03-30 14:33:41] HuskySquared : Hmmm
[2023-03-30 14:33:48] LittleBuck : chillin in executive suites
[2023-03-30 14:33:48] HuskySquared : dubious cum cum activities
[2023-03-30 14:33:56] Sir-Nikko : but if btc hit’s 40k thats only 25% i think alts will do better 🙈
[2023-03-30 14:34:00] LittleBuck : HuskySquared: u dirty bugger
[2023-03-30 14:34:08] bullpoodeflector : อะไรกันอีกวะ
[2023-03-30 14:34:14] bullpoodeflector : what the fuck
[2023-03-30 14:34:25] LittleBuck : btc gonna cumm bmex tokenz
[2023-03-30 14:34:42] elChisoso : Sir-Nikko: Sure, you play that game if that suits your narrative.
[2023-03-30 14:35:24] LittleBuck : better watch bmex/reminderz
[2023-03-30 14:35:52] LittleBuck : when yur puttin yur money somewhere go bitmex sounds good
[2023-03-30 14:35:57] LittleBuck : jingle
[2023-03-30 14:36:23] Sir-Nikko : elChisoso: still agree that btc is the safest bet! But i dont trust eth 2 many ppl take em for a blue chip that cant fail. I think they have some skeletons in the closet 🙈
[2023-03-30 14:36:33] LittleBuck : when does the crowd appear/the good traderz
[2023-03-30 14:36:56] Mr.Kazi : 100x
[2023-03-30 14:36:57] Sir-Nikko : If i should short any coin atm that would b bnb or eth😅
[2023-03-30 14:37:01] LittleBuck : im exit stage left..jus sayin
[2023-03-30 14:37:45] LittleBuck : financial predatorz dont pick at scraps therefore they prolly arent here yet
[2023-03-30 14:39:13] LittleBuck : why do tofino and tokyo sound the same?
[2023-03-30 14:39:19] LittleBuck : prolly brotherz
[2023-03-30 14:39:25] HuskySquared : JUST IN: 🇺🇸 US Senator Elizabeth Warren launches "anti-crypto" re-election campaign.
[2023-03-30 14:39:25] HuskySquared : lmao
[2023-03-30 14:39:27] HuskySquared : good riddance
[2023-03-30 14:40:41] Sir-Nikko : Most alts have less usd value then they had Jan 23 when btc pumped up 2 23k
[2023-03-30 14:40:44] 9figrs : HuskySquared: how many people lose in crypto compared to win in crypto?
[2023-03-30 14:41:01] HuskySquared : 9figrs: how many people lose in life compared to win in life?
[2023-03-30 14:41:05] LittleBuck : unreal @HuskySquared newz..thnx unreal re that chick
[2023-03-30 14:41:07] Sir-Nikko : 9figrs: 90% will always loose
[2023-03-30 14:41:18] 9figrs : HuskySquared: define winning in life
[2023-03-30 14:41:26] 9figrs : winning and losing in crypto is already straight forward
[2023-03-30 14:41:32] LittleBuck : i heard her name a few time Warren
[2023-03-30 14:41:59] 9figrs : HuskySquared: this Beta Test Coin true value is ZERO when they have the CBDC agenda to push around 2030
[2023-03-30 14:42:03] 9figrs : will be the total collapse