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[2017-04-20 22:33:48] rapidtrades : test
[2017-04-20 22:34:12] rapidtrades : However, it will likely be a one-time option per customer for USD withdrawals. It is not an ongoing solution to the correspondent banking problem and customers should be advised that they will be required to provide an appropriate acknowledgment of payment for claims in order to receive their fiat funds.
[2017-04-20 22:34:54] rapidtrades : sounds illegal to me too
[2017-04-20 22:35:11] InvalidUser : Roger Apollo 13 we hear you!
[2017-04-20 22:35:29] Tetsuo : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/66fiif/despite_claims_re_hkd_chf_there_are_currently_no/dgik7zw/
[2017-04-20 22:35:36] InvalidUser : Let us know when you get too the moon
[2017-04-20 22:35:40] stf28 : i'm not sure of this part, does this means that client should acknowledge wire before actually receiving it??
[2017-04-20 22:36:02] Tetsuo : chrisJ from Finex: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/66fiif/despite_claims_re_hkd_chf_there_are_currently_no/dgipgol/
[2017-04-20 22:36:37] rapidtrades : they have to be in their final stage of collapse to try this scheme
[2017-04-20 22:37:00] InvalidUser : They can put 10 million in there lawyers account. The trick will be getting it out
[2017-04-20 22:37:07] Tommy : The Bitfinex bank accounts should have long been freezed for converting customer funds into tokens.
[2017-04-20 22:37:10] rapidtrades : its one thing to f*ck over some pasty nerds but engaging in classic money laundering will land them in jail
[2017-04-20 22:37:38] Tetsuo : Tommy: +1
[2017-04-20 22:37:55] rapidtrades : i think they got em
[2017-04-20 22:38:13] rapidtrades : they either slapped them with a fine or a lawsuit
[2017-04-20 22:38:25] rapidtrades : that's why their bank froze their accounts
[2017-04-20 22:38:50] rapidtrades : okc just took the opportunity to freeze funds as well cos of money outflows
[2017-04-20 22:39:01] rapidtrades : they never had taiwan account
[2017-04-20 22:39:56] rapidtrades : if they're put under criminal charges we could get some of our money back
[2017-04-20 22:40:17] rapidtrades : they could go after their house, bank accounts etc
[2017-04-20 22:40:43] rapidtrades : their tether shit
[2017-04-20 22:41:20] stf28 : interesting lol : from tether condtions
[2017-04-20 22:41:21] stf28 : There is no contractual right or other right or legal claim against us to redeem or exchange your Tethers for money. We do not guarantee any right of redemption or exchange of Tethers by us for money. There is no guarantee against losses when you buy, trade, sell, or redeem Tethers.
[2017-04-20 22:41:28] stf28 : https://tether.to/legal/
[2017-04-20 22:41:53] ripcord : "I would imagine that if such an arrangement was illegal it would not be permitted" lol
[2017-04-20 22:42:22] rapidtrades : We're cancelling wires, but it's case-by-case, first come, first served. It will be processed and your funds credited back to your Bitfinex account for use.
[2017-04-20 22:42:23] ripcord : finex is done
[2017-04-20 22:42:29] rapidtrades : ^their guy on reddit
[2017-04-20 22:42:35] rapidtrades : regarding frozen funds
[2017-04-20 22:42:41] Tetsuo : Bitfinex lawyer: http://www.gamingcounsel.co/
[2017-04-20 22:42:50] rapidtrades : perfect chance to give priority to them and their lackies
[2017-04-20 22:43:15] rapidtrades : im gonna go out on a limb and say most of those frozen withdrawals will not be unfrozen
[2017-04-20 22:43:39] rapidtrades : cancelling wires manually....what the actual f*ck
[2017-04-20 22:45:00] rapidtrades : so from reddit comments it seems that this is the scheme they're trrying, wiring ffunds to their lawyers and from there to select customers to cash out
[2017-04-20 22:45:09] rapidtrades : are these people insane
[2017-04-20 22:45:30] rapidtrades : guess once u get away with a crime you think you're invincible
[2017-04-20 22:46:36] Tetsuo : Bitfinex themselves probably really think that they are legit
[2017-04-20 22:47:04] stf28 : digfinex what a name
[2017-04-20 22:47:37] Tetsuo : digitalfinexusd
[2017-04-20 22:47:51] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/66fiif/despite_claims_re_hkd_chf_there_are_currently_no/dgi4ptx/
[2017-04-20 22:51:30] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: how high will we go before ppl stop following finex?
[2017-04-20 22:52:57] InvalidUser : When people stop arbitraging
[2017-04-20 22:52:59] Tetsuo : 1400-1500 might be possible, also i doubt it
[2017-04-20 22:53:27] Tetsuo : fools slowly begin to realize that it is a real issue
[2017-04-20 22:53:46] MikeHunt : fingox is the pied piper
[2017-04-20 22:54:01] ripcord : if people were able to arbitrage, there wouldn't be a premium
[2017-04-20 22:54:23] InvalidUser : Buy BTC at Gdax sell at Finex for LTC, send the LTC to Gdax. Repeat = Profit
[2017-04-20 22:54:33] Tetsuo : InvalidUser: LTC has premium too
[2017-04-20 22:54:40] InvalidUser : Only 5%
[2017-04-20 22:55:10] Tetsuo : yeah you take that risk plz and send coins to finex
[2017-04-20 22:55:29] InvalidUser : I would not do it but someone is willing to take the risk
[2017-04-20 22:55:52] ripcord : InvalidUser: nobody is, hence the premium
[2017-04-20 22:56:01] Tetsuo : for a meager 3-4% profit, i doubt that there will be much
[2017-04-20 22:56:14] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/66fiif/despite_claims_re_hkd_chf_there_are_currently_no/dgiugk0/
[2017-04-20 22:56:26] rapidtrades : ^ their 'laweyr' explaining the situation
[2017-04-20 22:56:48] rapidtrades : which is basically admitting to money laundering and he's an idiot
[2017-04-20 22:56:58] Tetsuo : It looks pretty bad
[2017-04-20 22:57:18] rapidtrades : its a desperate move to launder their ill-gotten gains
[2017-04-20 22:57:37] rapidtrades : hopefully they wont get away with it again
[2017-04-20 22:57:50] rapidtrades : their idiot lawyer in based in the US, so gl to that moran
[2017-04-20 22:58:07] ripcord : canada
[2017-04-20 22:59:10] rapidtrades : the company that will give out the money will be US based
[2017-04-20 22:59:26] ripcord : oh, that seems smart
[2017-04-20 23:00:03] rapidtrades : ok maybe its canada after all
[2017-04-20 23:00:42] rapidtrades : idk, in any case doubt hat his bank will be okay with suddenly tranferring millions in/out
[2017-04-20 23:01:28] rapidtrades : he will get blocked after their preffered customers get out, then go on reddit to QQ 'war on cryptos'
[2017-04-20 23:03:18] rapidtrades : they also kinda admitted there's no war on crypto cos in their post they're alluding to ''USA having preferential treatment for Coinbase, Gemini''
[2017-04-20 23:03:40] rapidtrades : so not everyone is under attack, legit exchanges are fine
[2017-04-20 23:04:51] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: sell june at +10 or wait for more?
[2017-04-20 23:06:27] Tommy : rapidtrades: I'd rather eat the swap interest for now, and when the spread is like $30 in June, switch my positions there.
[2017-04-20 23:07:10] Tommy : $5 more is too small in light of the 0.3% interest in the coming 16 hours.
[2017-04-20 23:07:16] rapidtrades : hmm maybe it will get there on spike, its not a liquid
[2017-04-20 23:07:50] rapidtrades : Tommy: right but $5 is locked in, swap could turn negative soon
[2017-04-20 23:08:01] rapidtrades : its been very negative all year
[2017-04-20 23:09:48] Tommy : rapidtrades: June can be much higher if swap keeps ringing positive.
[2017-04-20 23:10:44] MikeHunt : like i predicted
[2017-04-20 23:10:56] MikeHunt : removal of fingox/okgox made M17 much more attractive to long
[2017-04-20 23:12:06] InvalidUser : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUaqbSzCOnk
[2017-04-20 23:20:03] InvalidUser : Happy 420 !!!!
[2017-04-20 23:20:18] InvalidUser : Green candles for 420
[2017-04-20 23:26:57] MikeHunt : InvalidUser: http://i.imgur.com/YP3Wqw0.jpg
[2017-04-20 23:29:54] InvalidUser : MikeHunt: lol
[2017-04-20 23:33:23] vgck : MikeHunt: Swap the before and after pics.
[2017-04-20 23:34:24] MikeHunt : vgck: just a jk, dont cry
[2017-04-20 23:36:22] vgck : Too late.
[2017-04-20 23:43:56] uej : /?
[2017-04-20 23:43:56] trollbot : `/price`: Shows last trade price of BTC/USD on all major exchanges. `/wall`: Shows ±$30 liquidity on OKCoin, Bitstamp, Bitflyer & Bitfinex `/sentiment`: Shows market sentiment in Sell/Buy ratio. `/rekt`: Shows margin call highlights of the day.
[2017-04-20 23:43:56] trollbot : `/joke`: Shows a short joke from top reddit /r/jokes. `/suggest [TEXT]`: Send a suggestion to author of this bot. `/?` or `/help`: Shows list of commands and description. If you like this bot consider donating to 154DktRHXpiEjwQgJhdWWxw2rnNrHUo9wd
[2017-04-20 23:44:05] uej : /sentiment
[2017-04-20 23:44:08] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 22.58 / 77.42 Daily : 43.20 / 56.81 Weekly : 41.58 / 58.42 Monthly : 47.71 / 52.29```
[2017-04-20 23:44:14] BitBIT : /rekt
[2017-04-20 23:44:14] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 7 hours, 27 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 192000 @ 1233.0 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 1 day, 1 hour, 44 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 160002 @ 1208.5 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 1 day, 1 hour, 44 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 153767 @ 1186.7 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ```
[2017-04-20 23:44:22] BitBIT : /wall
[2017-04-20 23:44:22] trollbot : ``` /wall is a paid command now! Pay 100 BTC to Farzad aka GOD.```
[2017-04-20 23:44:37] BitBIT : wtf
[2017-04-20 23:51:32] InvalidUser : lol
[2017-04-20 23:51:51] InvalidUser : The 100 BTC is for a lif
[2017-04-20 23:52:03] InvalidUser : life time subscription
[2017-04-20 23:54:05] dodic : What a deal
[2017-04-20 23:58:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMRJ17`: sell 1 @ 0.016406
[2017-04-21 00:01:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMRJ17`: sell 250 @ 0.016180
[2017-04-21 00:05:18] rapidtrades : june premium GONE
[2017-04-21 00:05:27] rapidtrades : june premium GONE thanks a lot Testuo and Tommy
[2017-04-21 00:05:45] rapidtrades : lag caused some chat issues
[2017-04-21 00:07:22] rapidtrades : ''b) It is currently anticipated that a new, separate, discrete trust account will be created for this purpose. These are separate from what are called "mixed" trust accounts in Ontario''
[2017-04-21 00:07:31] rapidtrades : look at that shady shit man ^^^
[2017-04-21 00:07:54] rapidtrades : what the actual f*ck...how are these ppl not in jail yet
[2017-04-21 00:08:36] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/66fiif/despite_claims_re_hkd_chf_there_are_currently_no/dgiz080/
[2017-04-21 00:09:22] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Everything is playing out like Gox2.0 - if we follow that trend bitcoin gonna dump hard
[2017-04-21 00:10:30] rapidtrades : what the actual f*ck does this mean https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/855134233194414081
[2017-04-21 00:10:47] rapidtrades : yeah i agree to ur roundtable as long as I call the shots
[2017-04-21 00:10:55] InvalidUser : I think it means he is coming out of the closet
[2017-04-21 00:11:13] rapidtrades : i think it means no compromise
[2017-04-21 00:11:25] robit : DorianWhack-A-Moto: If we follow that trend then first we go 4x previous ATH so nearly $5,000 and then the lowest point of the crash won't go below $1,000
[2017-04-21 00:12:09] rapidtrades : is this guy even real? https://twitter.com/JiangZhuoer
[2017-04-21 00:12:16] rapidtrades : joined in april 2017
[2017-04-21 00:12:22] rapidtrades : prolly jihan himself
[2017-04-21 00:12:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMRJ17`: sell 300 @ 0.016098
[2017-04-21 00:12:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMRJ17`: sell 150 @ 0.016027
[2017-04-21 00:12:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMRJ17`: sell 100 @ 0.016057
[2017-04-21 00:13:04] rapidtrades : his first tweet was that letter 'why im not voting for segwit'
[2017-04-21 00:14:26] InvalidUser : Those idiots are longing and shorting the market
[2017-04-21 00:17:18] rapidtrades : so i read this letter again and the roundtable is basically only industry, no developers
[2017-04-21 00:17:34] rapidtrades : how will that go well with Core segwit crowd?
[2017-04-21 00:17:45] rapidtrades : https://medium.com/@zhangsanbtc/why-i-am-still-not-voting-for-segwit-37b0970f6919
[2017-04-21 00:18:06] rapidtrades : its also asking everyone to defer decisions to this 'body'
[2017-04-21 00:18:27] rapidtrades : there's a 0 chance this will pass in that form
[2017-04-21 00:19:38] rapidtrades : it's basically all miner group cos like he says there are no major LTC businesses
[2017-04-21 00:19:53] InvalidUser : The last time they tried to have a scaling conference they would not let any of the bigblockers talk
[2017-04-21 00:20:14] rapidtrades : u mean in HK?
[2017-04-21 00:20:19] InvalidUser : They let one person talk and then canceled all there other ones.
[2017-04-21 00:20:45] rapidtrades : Core seems very nazi
[2017-04-21 00:20:54] rapidtrades : DDDOesing pools etc
[2017-04-21 00:20:55] InvalidUser : Milan, Italy Oct 8-9th
[2017-04-21 00:21:31] cryptonoob : 0.1586% in 3 hours man my long position is getting raped if I don't close it before then
[2017-04-21 00:21:34] InvalidUser : The BU team is not negotiation any more
[2017-04-21 00:21:54] InvalidUser : Enough talk it is time for action or STFU
[2017-04-21 00:21:59] InvalidUser : ing
[2017-04-21 00:22:00] rapidtrades : what does that mean
[2017-04-21 00:22:17] InvalidUser : Let's do this fork and get it over with
[2017-04-21 00:22:25] InvalidUser : Then lighting then moon
[2017-04-21 00:22:43] InvalidUser : You have to fix the first layer before you start doing second layer products
[2017-04-21 00:23:02] InvalidUser : it's is 101 for pretty much everything
[2017-04-21 00:24:24] InvalidUser : Another reason to make sure the first layer can handle all the transactions is encase of a disruption of the second layer for some reason
[2017-04-21 00:24:50] InvalidUser : You do not build your new house on a shitty foundation
[2017-04-21 00:24:58] rapidtrades : https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-core-miners-agree-hard-fork-code-comes-july-2016-activation-in-2017/
[2017-04-21 00:25:09] rapidtrades : core agreed to 2mb then broke the deal
[2017-04-21 00:25:14] InvalidUser : Yup
[2017-04-21 00:25:26] InvalidUser : We are done talking to them
[2017-04-21 00:25:26] robit : cryptonoob: long futures next time, no funding fees
[2017-04-21 00:25:45] InvalidUser : We are going to fix this problem and get one with our lives
[2017-04-21 00:25:46] rapidtrades : yes everyone bail swap, long futures
[2017-04-21 00:26:20] InvalidUser : I just did that
[2017-04-21 00:26:46] InvalidUser : Futures were 5 bucks higher 15 min ago
[2017-04-21 00:27:18] rapidtrades : they'll go back to $5 after longs pay funding few times
[2017-04-21 00:27:45] InvalidUser : I think so to,, I made a quick decision to move over when I saw that
[2017-04-21 00:27:58] InvalidUser : The market just went Bull
[2017-04-21 00:28:47] rapidtrades : this is no bull, just arbers refusing to accept reality re:finex
[2017-04-21 00:30:20] InvalidUser : Who cares about reality when your making money
[2017-04-21 00:34:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1265 @ 1241.2
[2017-04-21 00:48:14] Ugly_Old_Goat : Big struggle here in June contract
[2017-04-21 00:48:33] zanza : struggle where?\
[2017-04-21 00:49:06] Ugly_Old_Goat : Lots of contracts bot and sold at 1241.9 and 1241.9
[2017-04-21 00:49:18] Ugly_Old_Goat : 1241.8
[2017-04-21 00:49:33] Ugly_Old_Goat : Like probably 200k
[2017-04-21 00:49:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : I mean 400k
[2017-04-21 00:51:18] Ugly_Old_Goat : Very surprsing at Perp is strong in the face of nice bonus for shorts
[2017-04-21 00:52:21] Ugly_Old_Goat : Probably good tiime to buy June June sell perp
[2017-04-21 00:53:36] Tommy : bots arbing with Bfx maybe?
[2017-04-21 00:53:53] Tommy : bots prefer paper money
[2017-04-21 00:54:32] Ugly_Old_Goat : Can't arb at bitfinex unless you are insider and know something
[2017-04-21 00:55:35] Ugly_Old_Goat : Again, my concern is the freeze will go to other exhanges. If so we should explode to upside and demand for btc will be hurge off exchanges
[2017-04-21 00:55:56] Tommy : Bfx rep keep boasting how loyal their customers are and how great the lending return is for them.
[2017-04-21 00:57:18] Ugly_Old_Goat : I have a good opinion of them, but no where close to my high opinion of bitmex and btc-e. The two unregulated stand up exchanges
[2017-04-21 01:08:28] MikeHunt : btc-e are not worthy of respect
[2017-04-21 01:08:32] MikeHunt : very shady
[2017-04-21 01:10:51] rapidgains : never been hacked tho
[2017-04-21 01:11:06] rapidgains : how many exchanges can say that
[2017-04-21 01:18:41] MikeHunt : xbtce got hacked apparently
[2017-04-21 01:18:43] MikeHunt : covered it up
[2017-04-21 01:32:51] frog : ltc getting boring now, was exciting for a while but now looks like it will drag on for a while
[2017-04-21 01:35:12] frog : miners can block anything through hash ans charlie wont call for UASF while there is prospect of a roundtable meeting, so effectively in a holding paatern
[2017-04-21 01:38:38] InvalidUser : JPY and OkDokycoin going for it
[2017-04-21 01:38:40] omicron : im a newbie. can someone tell me if funding is based on notional value or margin value
[2017-04-21 01:39:57] zanza : notional
[2017-04-21 01:40:23] omicron : damn, so .15% at 100x is 15%
[2017-04-21 01:40:28] zanza : yup!
[2017-04-21 01:40:39] omicron : so if i sell 1 btc, i get .15 btc
[2017-04-21 01:41:20] zanza : .15% of 1 BTC is .0015
[2017-04-21 01:41:40] zanza : if you went 100x leverage with 1 BTC, it would be 100 BTC notional
[2017-04-21 01:41:47] omicron : yes
[2017-04-21 01:41:48] zanza : and .15 BTC funding
[2017-04-21 01:41:59] zanza : but if the price swings even an inch, u will get liquidated
[2017-04-21 01:42:19] zanza : and lose your 1 BTC fully
[2017-04-21 01:42:43] omicron : i see, so i should load 2 btc to short 1btc
[2017-04-21 01:42:49] omicron : that way i have some roon
[2017-04-21 01:42:51] omicron : *room
[2017-04-21 01:43:07] MikeHunt : omicron: liq price is fixed based on lvg you use
[2017-04-21 01:43:15] MikeHunt : not contract amount
[2017-04-21 01:43:46] omicron : i can cross margin 2 btc, sell 1btc, then i get .15?
[2017-04-21 01:43:52] zanza : 2BTC at 50x leverage would give you more room
[2017-04-21 01:43:59] zanza : to avoid a liquidation
[2017-04-21 01:44:12] foobar : with a .1586 fee you could short then close with a takers fee and still make money, as long as you do it quick enough and spread is small enough
[2017-04-21 01:44:19] foobar : and of course, not too many people do it
[2017-04-21 01:44:22] foobar : and beat you to it
[2017-04-21 01:44:22] foobar : haha
[2017-04-21 01:44:33] foobar : start writing that code now
[2017-04-21 01:44:37] foobar : you have 2 hours
[2017-04-21 01:45:02] frog : good idea in theory but hard to achieve in real life
[2017-04-21 01:46:24] omicron : like everything
[2017-04-21 01:46:33] foobar : you need to calculate the loss due to spread and hope that the no trades go in between your open and close...which ... is unlikley
[2017-04-21 01:46:53] foobar : it is pretty tight around the takers fee
[2017-04-21 01:46:56] omicron : ya, spread is tight now, so i should wait 2m before funding, enter and exit right after reward at taker price
[2017-04-21 01:46:58] foobar : your odds are way better in 10 hours
[2017-04-21 01:47:14] foobar : 2m..no you need a bot to execute this for you within seconds
[2017-04-21 01:47:38] foobar : if you are gonna do it with clicks, wait 10 hours
[2017-04-21 01:47:43] foobar : way more wiggle room
[2017-04-21 01:47:49] foobar : at .187
[2017-04-21 01:48:15] foobar : if you look at funding history, this opportunity does occasionally come up
[2017-04-21 01:48:55] foobar : im going with the safer option here
[2017-04-21 01:49:11] foobar : short xbtusd, long xbtm17
[2017-04-21 01:49:31] foobar : although, my entry into the 2 was much better than the current price
[2017-04-21 01:50:31] omicron : whats with the index now? its just bitstamp? they removed and readded gdax already?
[2017-04-21 01:53:41] Halaman : now its gdax and stamp for the index
[2017-04-21 01:59:59] mark121 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/4EG3VxFf-BITCOIN-BTC-Another-faster-path-to-glory-Could-it-be/
[2017-04-21 02:00:11] mark121 : so far so good
[2017-04-21 02:00:47] frog : ltc fwiw since 12.00 only 45% of blocks have been signalling
[2017-04-21 02:02:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMRJ17`: sell 10 @ 0.016025
[2017-04-21 02:03:32] mark121 : cant help but notice how a chart i made in dec which deviated when coindesk published a "for sure dump" - landed back on track so perfectly for this week
[2017-04-21 02:03:34] mark121 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/XNLxlgCI-Bitcoin-BTCUSD-2017-Pricing-Model-Conservative-Outlook/
[2017-04-21 02:04:24] mark121 : gota imagine wicks as i couldnt put them in due to TV
[2017-04-21 02:09:07] KingTuna : I'd imagine when BTC slows again, alts 'may' fire up.
[2017-04-21 02:09:17] KingTuna : Stock standard statement
[2017-04-21 02:09:21] mark121 : eventually
[2017-04-21 02:09:24] mark121 : but
[2017-04-21 02:09:36] mark121 : one future shows me alt holocaust inc
[2017-04-21 02:09:49] DorianWhack-A-Moto : is OKC settlement still relevant?
[2017-04-21 02:09:52] mark121 : like they gona get pissed on b4 they grow back
[2017-04-21 02:10:05] KingTuna : Ah yeah
[2017-04-21 02:11:06] mark121 : if we re really back on track with my 2nd chart post
[2017-04-21 02:11:20] mark121 : well it speaks for itself that wud be nutty
[2017-04-21 02:11:51] robit : mark121: 1400+ incoming. We are going to test the top trendline again
[2017-04-21 02:12:18] mark121 : yep
[2017-04-21 02:12:51] micmix : very cool guys, buy morrr! have lots of contracts to sell
[2017-04-21 02:13:02] mark121 : to short?
[2017-04-21 02:13:12] mark121 : or for profit
[2017-04-21 02:14:14] micmix : to hedge
[2017-04-21 02:14:45] KingTuna : sorry I mean long*
[2017-04-21 02:15:01] KingTuna : mark121: you holding your shlong?
[2017-04-21 02:15:07] KingTuna : long*
[2017-04-21 02:15:08] mark121 : yea
[2017-04-21 02:15:13] mark121 : :p
[2017-04-21 02:15:13] Tommy : longs must have too much money
[2017-04-21 02:15:22] KingTuna : To 1400? Wow
[2017-04-21 02:15:44] KingTuna : A dump would make them so much money .. all these longs
[2017-04-21 02:15:47] mark121 : im holding to 2097
[2017-04-21 02:15:55] MikeHunt : 2k yup
[2017-04-21 02:15:56] MikeHunt : maybe higher
[2017-04-21 02:15:57] KingTuna : I see
[2017-04-21 02:16:01] sleger : please come back in 80 years yes !
[2017-04-21 02:16:06] sleger : not before
[2017-04-21 02:16:31] mark121 : id imagine it sucks
[2017-04-21 02:17:29] mark121 : like in a pic of all ugly ppl, they arent as noticable until a handsome mofo steps in, all of a sudden very noticable
[2017-04-21 02:17:51] mark121 : (u arent the handsome mofo)
[2017-04-21 02:18:49] sleger : you got banned because you were ugly and annoying, noone else besides rapid and you get banned around here
[2017-04-21 02:18:58] mark121 : lol
[2017-04-21 02:19:05] Tommy : it's the fomo of the mofo causing the spike
[2017-04-21 02:19:11] mark121 : u dont even kno wwhy sleger
[2017-04-21 02:19:20] mark121 : but if u seriously want to bring up that pathetic display
[2017-04-21 02:19:26] mark121 : oh wait..
[2017-04-21 02:19:44] mark121 : this isn't worthit lol
[2017-04-21 02:19:53] l3f : sleger: unhedged?
[2017-04-21 02:19:58] l3f : looks like no more free money for longs
[2017-04-21 02:20:14] l3f : or is it just bfx fuckery
[2017-04-21 02:20:32] sleger : short swap, long futs, all good
[2017-04-21 02:23:48] omicron : how do they calculate margin reqd if you are long on one and short the other? is it separate
[2017-04-21 02:24:01] mark121 : depends on ur choice of margin calc
[2017-04-21 02:24:24] mark121 : cross vs independent
[2017-04-21 02:24:44] omicron : if its cross then you only need net margin?
[2017-04-21 02:24:55] sleger : omicron: dont listen to him he is wrong
[2017-04-21 02:24:57] mark121 : it desnt seem to work like that
[2017-04-21 02:25:12] mark121 : but idealy it was supose to
[2017-04-21 02:25:14] sleger : omicron: there is no netting here, he told you BS]
[2017-04-21 02:25:26] omicron : thanks sleger
[2017-04-21 02:25:36] sleger : omicron: he is a big known troll, just came out of a ban, going back soon
[2017-04-21 02:25:39] mark121 : llol
[2017-04-21 02:25:43] mark121 : sleger, ok
[2017-04-21 02:26:01] mark121 : thinking of you, makes me sad for you
[2017-04-21 02:26:05] mark121 : i pity you
[2017-04-21 02:26:07] mark121 : truly
[2017-04-21 02:26:31] mark121 : u do nothing but bitch moan and whine
[2017-04-21 02:26:37] mark121 : cept i post charts that nail trends
[2017-04-21 02:26:42] mark121 : u post nothing
[2017-04-21 02:26:45] micmix : we were promised some way to realize PNL on cross margin but doesn't look like it's coming
[2017-04-21 02:27:19] sleger : mark121: you've been telling everyone to short for past 7 days dummy
[2017-04-21 02:27:25] mark121 : sleger: dont use up my pity for you
[2017-04-21 02:27:29] sleger : oh look, price is up
[2017-04-21 02:27:32] micmix : no netting sucks, you have to hold more capital here
[2017-04-21 02:27:48] mark121 : see that sleger, ive never seen such desperation
[2017-04-21 02:27:55] mark121 : straight lie
[2017-04-21 02:27:56] Armis : Btc will beat this high looks like . How do u think @mark121 ?
[2017-04-21 02:28:06] mark121 : ya
[2017-04-21 02:28:06] Armis : Sorry phone
[2017-04-21 02:28:07] mark121 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/4EG3VxFf-BITCOIN-BTC-Another-faster-path-to-glory-Could-it-be/
[2017-04-21 02:28:21] Armis : Nice
[2017-04-21 02:29:07] sleger : mark121: see, I used your technique, straight lie indeed
[2017-04-21 02:29:22] micmix : math question for you guys: if mark posts random charts every 10min, what is the probability of him being right once a week?
[2017-04-21 02:29:28] mark121 : in other words and admission?
[2017-04-21 02:29:44] mark121 : micmix: u cant verify that to
[2017-04-21 02:29:48] mark121 : can*
[2017-04-21 02:30:24] sleger : micmix: 1-3.6E-304
[2017-04-21 02:30:42] sleger : assuming 7 days a week, 24hr a day
[2017-04-21 02:30:48] sleger : basically 100%
[2017-04-21 02:31:07] mark121 : i take your compliments and thank u for them
[2017-04-21 02:32:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : Mark up phase has started
[2017-04-21 02:32:36] mark121 : yee
[2017-04-21 02:34:15] Ugly_Old_Goat : June will be going to super premium to perp
[2017-04-21 02:34:21] Armis : mark121: his did u earn so many folovers ? Looks like that follow every your post c.f.
[2017-04-21 02:34:30] Armis : :D
[2017-04-21 02:34:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : Buy perp and you will be paying for prividlege every 8 hours
[2017-04-21 02:34:41] mark121 : haha :D
[2017-04-21 02:34:43] Armis : #how did
[2017-04-21 02:35:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : The spread for next 6-8 weeks will be long June short perp
[2017-04-21 02:36:05] Ugly_Old_Goat : June likley to go $100+ premium perp
[2017-04-21 02:36:10] mark121 : Armis: probably just coincidence and luck :p
[2017-04-21 02:37:01] robit : Ugly_Old_Goat: Exactly. In January at the peak there was a $120 premium
[2017-04-21 02:37:26] InvalidUser : Finex 3 dollars from ATH
[2017-04-21 02:38:06] InvalidUser : Sry 18
[2017-04-21 02:38:16] Ugly_Old_Goat : Yup that worries me, but the volume will go to June as it is a more pure market
[2017-04-21 02:38:32] Armis : mark121: better watch out , probably soon they will hire some paparazzi to follow u :D
[2017-04-21 02:41:23] mark121 : Armis: wow so true!! hopefully they dont take payment in tears or lies , if so, u may have saved my life!! i owe u !
[2017-04-21 02:46:38] omicron : price is gonna drop like kim kardashian's panties
[2017-04-21 02:47:52] robit : omicron: Yup, from $5000 to $2000
[2017-04-21 02:58:29] omicron : so funding is gonna hit in a couple of mins?
[2017-04-21 02:59:29] omicron : so why wont people buy right after the funding event and exit right before the next one
[2017-04-21 02:59:40] omicron : i guess the spread and commissions
[2017-04-21 03:00:11] foobar : yup..im out. had the hedge going, took the profit instead as the basis flipped signs
[2017-04-21 03:03:04] foobar : probably left a lot on the table though, that basis could go much higher
[2017-04-21 03:03:42] omicron : everyone is feeling bullish ... isnt this a bad sign
[2017-04-21 03:07:18] Tommy : Bullish is good. Means more funding for the shorts.
[2017-04-21 03:08:09] Tommy : It's a win-win situation for both longs and shorts.
[2017-04-21 03:08:34] omicron : ya im beginning to appreciate this swap a bit more now that i understand it
[2017-04-21 03:09:07] Tommy : That's precisely how the swaps in forex work.
[2017-04-21 03:09:20] omicron : but really, this is mostly meant for shorts to sell parabolic moves
[2017-04-21 03:09:29] Tommy : Just they don't have triple swap on Wednesdays.
[2017-04-21 03:09:31] omicron : as a long, you will never make money unless market is crashing
[2017-04-21 03:10:19] omicron : overall, fomo traders will pay ridiculous premium on inflated markets and shorts can eat the premium. thats the only way to trade this
[2017-04-21 03:10:50] omicron : if i want to profitably long, i have to go with the futures
[2017-04-21 03:11:18] Tommy : You can long June futures when the premium is low.
[2017-04-21 03:11:34] Tommy : Then when the premium is high, you can sell and also take profit.
[2017-04-21 03:11:36] omicron : yes, i need to set an alert and long it
[2017-04-21 03:18:47] crmun : june will be on premium if we go up fast, if we drop it will be discount
[2017-04-21 03:19:50] elmorte : How the hell do you open announcements on mobile?
[2017-04-21 03:20:14] foobar : this orderbook should be really interesting in 40m
[2017-04-21 03:20:33] mark121 : As a long u won't make money unless market is crashing ?
[2017-04-21 03:21:46] mark121 : Maybe that's out of context and referring to funding but it's kinda silly still
[2017-04-21 03:22:18] mark121 : Elmorte: I see the pop up too!
[2017-04-21 03:25:08] elmorte : Yeah, I'm wondering if it's the same as the blog posts
[2017-04-21 03:25:22] elmorte : Gonna boot up the desktop
[2017-04-21 03:26:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTC7D`: buy 90 @ 0.00883
[2017-04-21 03:29:17] micmix : elmorte: it's the same as blog post but blog post gives detailed calculations
[2017-04-21 03:32:21] omicron : bitmex price is dropping despite index rising, obviously traders unloading before funding kicks in
[2017-04-21 03:32:50] aguia7 : /fork
[2017-04-21 03:32:51] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 1164.80 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 146.79 (0.00%) SLQ : < 1 min```
[2017-04-21 03:41:23] mark121 : All of bitcoin moves based on bitmex funding.. it's the most known unknown opposite truth
[2017-04-21 03:44:37] mark121 : Oh no... may need to drop some freestyles soon
[2017-04-21 03:45:13] mark121 : I'm the man with the plan, I
[2017-04-21 03:46:09] BitMEX_Arthur : Guys please check the announcements horn we just published a notice about changes to the swap funding rate calculation.
[2017-04-21 03:47:13] omicron : BitMEX_Arthur: so the swap rate is now hard-coded amount?
[2017-04-21 03:47:48] rapidgains : ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[2017-04-21 03:48:05] omicron : ie not dependent on outside source?
[2017-04-21 03:49:44] BitMEX_Arthur : No only the interest rate component which always came from an outside source. The market based premium or discount still works the same.
[2017-04-21 03:50:14] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2017-04-21 03:50:29] BitMEX_Arthur : Please read that to understand the calculation
[2017-04-21 03:51:51] omicron : ok thanks
[2017-04-21 03:52:57] Tommy : It doesn't look like the change is going to affect the funding rate much, given the huge premium.
[2017-04-21 03:53:55] InvalidUser : The fuetures market is bullish,,, No fux given about funding
[2017-04-21 03:54:03] InvalidUser : futures
[2017-04-21 03:54:06] mark121 : most who focus on funding rate rather than asset lose money im sure
[2017-04-21 03:54:40] oo : btc soar. bet it all
[2017-04-21 03:54:59] InvalidUser : I am at 23000 x
[2017-04-21 03:57:39] mark121 : /sentiment
[2017-04-21 03:57:42] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 43.82 / 56.18 Daily : 41.39 / 58.61 Weekly : 41.54 / 58.46 Monthly : 47.62 / 52.38```
[2017-04-21 03:58:57] Tommy : Did longs sell 2 minutes before the funding time to avoid paying?
[2017-04-21 04:00:05] mark121 : likely will not workout if they want to reopen lol
[2017-04-21 04:00:26] omicron : of course im guessing they are taking partial profits due to the big run
[2017-04-21 04:01:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTC7D`: buy 40 @ 0.00905
[2017-04-21 04:07:04] cryptonoob : should we just ignore the funding rate listed then? and just assume it's just 0.03%
[2017-04-21 04:07:26] guacamole : cryptonoob: no, that's just the interest component of the funding rate
[2017-04-21 04:07:39] omicron : this shit is pretty hard to explain. bitmex must be exasperated explaining stuff over and over
[2017-04-21 04:08:01] guacamole : interest meaning lending rates on margin exchanges (bitfinex) - funding also adds in a premium based on difference here between current price and index
[2017-04-21 04:08:32] guacamole : click more details on the left if you want to read
[2017-04-21 04:08:39] Tommy : It's not hard to explain. Irrational longs pay an auto-correct penalty to the other party.
[2017-04-21 04:08:50] Tommy : Same if you short too low.
[2017-04-21 04:09:04] mark121 : omicron its pretty basic .. ^
[2017-04-21 04:09:09] mark121 : what tommy said
[2017-04-21 04:09:31] guacamole : sort of, if index and current price were equal, shorts would be paying interest now
[2017-04-21 04:09:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : anyone understand the new lending rate?
[2017-04-21 04:09:51] guacamole : it's just cutting bitfinex out of the calculation
[2017-04-21 04:10:00] Tommy : guacamole: Yes, in an ideal world.
[2017-04-21 04:12:34] omicron : wow i actually made money selling befre the funding and buying back later. maker order both times
[2017-04-21 04:12:50] omicron : im surprised because i rarely win on the swap
[2017-04-21 04:13:15] omicron : checkout the next funding .22% almost
[2017-04-21 04:13:20] Tommy : I've seen bots doing this around funding time.
[2017-04-21 04:13:36] omicron : i totally get the bot theory
[2017-04-21 04:13:41] mark121 : i prefered selling at 1247-1248
[2017-04-21 04:13:44] omicron : its fast free money
[2017-04-21 04:13:44] guacamole : yeah, shorts will pay the next round though if present keeps up, but who knows what will happen in 8 hours
[2017-04-21 04:14:53] mark121 : 46-47*
[2017-04-21 04:20:16] Dnavid : mark121: are you planning on buying again?
[2017-04-21 04:21:15] mark121 : aye
[2017-04-21 04:21:40] mark121 : still holding futures
[2017-04-21 04:22:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 60 @ 0.00887
[2017-04-21 04:28:01] alfaCharlie : so this .2188% funding happening or not ?
[2017-04-21 04:28:50] alfaCharlie : or it will be .03 %
[2017-04-21 04:30:40] Tommy : You'll know it in 8 hours.
[2017-04-21 04:34:24] alfaCharlie : 12 utc means .22% will happen , thanks tommy I didn't noticed the time
[2017-04-21 04:34:55] thomaskikansha : .01 per 8 hour is the base
[2017-04-21 04:35:17] Tommy : In an efficient market, it should stick to the posted rate, i.e. 0.03%.
[2017-04-21 04:37:33] alfaCharlie : yup
[2017-04-21 04:39:18] Tommy : rapid, I told you the premium for June will be higher
[2017-04-21 04:39:50] Tommy : Skipping all the swap interest for $5 premium is sub-optimal.
[2017-04-21 04:40:58] crmun : LOL bots on June went nuts
[2017-04-21 04:44:24] thomaskikansha : okc quarts also got decent premium
[2017-04-21 04:45:42] Tommy : It should be. Who knows when all of a sudden the Chinese exchanges will allow withdrawal.
[2017-04-21 04:46:05] mark121 : lol...
[2017-04-21 04:46:13] MikeHunt : monday perhaps
[2017-04-21 04:46:20] MikeHunt : rumor is 23/24th
[2017-04-21 04:46:29] crmun : quarts always playing their own game
[2017-04-21 04:46:35] thomaskikansha : much work underway
[2017-04-21 04:47:08] thomaskikansha : thats why okc cny went up I guess?
[2017-04-21 04:50:20] mark121 : imo way to much significance assigned to the withdrawl issue - especially when its not required in the least to explain the movement
[2017-04-21 04:50:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: sell 10000 @ 0.00002519
[2017-04-21 04:50:49] mark121 : dont most criminals and launderers avoid USD over 10k anyway due to patriot act?
[2017-04-21 04:53:13] mark121 : crypto community loves retrofitting price action -
[2017-04-21 05:13:43] cryptonoob : 0.2188% funding rate for longs is just straight up rape
[2017-04-21 05:13:56] cryptonoob : I closed my position, will wait for next round
[2017-04-21 05:24:32] irvingtrader : Isnt't long funding gives you comitions, and short substact you?
[2017-04-21 05:27:23] cryptonoob : irvingtrader: it varies, sometimes longs pay and sometimes shorts pay
[2017-04-21 05:29:06] InvalidUser : cryptonoob: Use futures
[2017-04-21 05:29:26] omicron : usually longs pay because .... well very few people know to short anyway
[2017-04-21 05:30:25] cryptonoob : InvalidUser: They seem to have wider spread and lower volume
[2017-04-21 05:32:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: sell 40 @ 0.00002485
[2017-04-21 05:38:50] InvalidUser : It looks like Stamp has decided to join the party
[2017-04-21 05:41:10] InvalidUser : Jpy on the move
[2017-04-21 05:42:41] mark121 : omicron: incorrect
[2017-04-21 05:43:30] mark121 : /sentiment
[2017-04-21 05:43:33] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 50.74 / 49.27 Daily : 41.97 / 58.03 Weekly : 41.62 / 58.38 Monthly : 47.62 / 52.39```
[2017-04-21 05:43:42] KyllingLolsson : /price
[2017-04-21 05:43:45] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1244.89 (0.00%) Bitfinex : 1322.90 (0.00%) The Woodchipper : 1276.81 (0.00%) itBit : 1246.99 (0.00%) Kraken : 1244.33 (0.00%) GDAX : 1246.70 (0.00%) SLQ : < 1 min```
[2017-04-21 06:14:43] rapidtrades : china is barely up
[2017-04-21 06:15:00] rapidtrades : same as west, nothing points to withdrawals
[2017-04-21 06:18:03] KyllingLolsson : rapidtrades: u think we will pass ath before dump?
[2017-04-21 06:18:10] mark121 : jesus
[2017-04-21 06:18:23] rapidtrades : KyllingLolsson: could be by a bit
[2017-04-21 06:18:32] rapidtrades : it should bounce there
[2017-04-21 06:18:57] mark121 : KyllingLolsson: u have "dump" tunnel vision
[2017-04-21 06:19:26] KyllingLolsson : mark121: but it cant race forever eh? what abt consolidation ?
[2017-04-21 06:19:38] irvingtrader : so... who is selling?
[2017-04-21 06:19:43] mark121 : KyllingLolsson: we just consolidated
[2017-04-21 06:19:47] rapidtrades : its gonna dump in a matter of days
[2017-04-21 06:19:53] KyllingLolsson : mark121: no consolidation is sideways
[2017-04-21 06:19:56] mark121 : yes
[2017-04-21 06:19:58] rapidtrades : its clear that this entire run from 890 was finex related
[2017-04-21 06:20:00] KyllingLolsson : we would need a cpl of weeks of that
[2017-04-21 06:20:07] mark121 : and we did
[2017-04-21 06:20:13] irvingtrader : rapidtrades: 1d, 4h oscilations are crying for shorts....
[2017-04-21 06:20:14] KyllingLolsson : where?
[2017-04-21 06:20:27] InvalidUser : There is still a lot of money stuck in Finex that needs to come out.
[2017-04-21 06:20:28] mark121 : 7th to 19th
[2017-04-21 06:20:50] mark121 : ok 10th
[2017-04-21 06:20:57] KyllingLolsson : mark121: https://www.tradingview.com/x/nkRNJXRp/
[2017-04-21 06:20:57] mark121 : but on a large timescale
[2017-04-21 06:21:06] KyllingLolsson : this is what i want to see beforei gp bull
[2017-04-21 06:21:10] rapidtrades : most insiders bailed weeks ago after they learned about WF issues
[2017-04-21 06:21:26] rapidtrades : tokens paid off, bailed
[2017-04-21 06:21:35] mark121 : not sure what that is k
[2017-04-21 06:22:16] KyllingLolsson : mark121: you're a short term trader, in that sens yes it will go up
[2017-04-21 06:22:20] mark121 : no
[2017-04-21 06:22:30] rapidtrades : mark ur an idiot
[2017-04-21 06:22:36] KyllingLolsson : but betwee the 7 to the 19th...
[2017-04-21 06:22:37] mark121 : rapidtrades: stop talking pls
[2017-04-21 06:22:55] mark121 : i didnt finish the thought
[2017-04-21 06:23:00] mark121 : on the larger timeframes
[2017-04-21 06:23:01] Actualiteit : good fucking moringine
[2017-04-21 06:23:03] mark121 : weekly
[2017-04-21 06:23:03] Actualiteit : mornign
[2017-04-21 06:23:30] mark121 : sec
[2017-04-21 06:23:33] mark121 : ipost
[2017-04-21 06:24:58] KyllingLolsson : My logic goes like, can't have a boner doing coke forever. Same with btc. Needs to go soft and stop doing coke for a while!
[2017-04-21 06:25:14] KyllingLolsson : justa little while!
[2017-04-21 06:25:24] rapidtrades : ur logic is sound, only a matter of time
[2017-04-21 06:25:25] mark121 : lol
[2017-04-21 06:26:24] mark121 : KyllingLolsson: rapidtrades shouldnt be taken seriously , u kno that right? (sorry rapid)
[2017-04-21 06:26:51] mark121 : and well, its to say what goes up must come down
[2017-04-21 06:27:24] KyllingLolsson : mark121: i make up my own mind regardless of what he thinks...
[2017-04-21 06:27:25] mark121 : but i find it strange how the fact that we went sub 900 is like totally forgotten
[2017-04-21 06:27:42] mark121 : all of that was a pullback from the main trend
[2017-04-21 06:28:18] InvalidUser : Only in BTC would someone mention coke and dick to reference to the price
[2017-04-21 06:28:28] mark121 : and monero!