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[2017-04-17 15:40:01] Yuppie : BitMEX_Greg: back to the roots ?
[2017-04-17 15:40:11] Jsgh : /price
[2017-04-17 15:40:14] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1184.30 (-0.55%) Bitfinex : 1225.60 (-0.20%) The Woodchipper : 1206.93 (-0.61%) itBit : 1193.26 (-0.04%) Kraken : 1198.96 (-0.73%) GDAX : 1185.62 (-0.10%) SLQ : 3 mins```
[2017-04-17 15:40:24] zqooN : crypto is never dull
[2017-04-17 15:41:18] thomaskikansha : so the index will be some dollars lower?
[2017-04-17 15:41:27] blaat : yes
[2017-04-17 15:41:56] blaat : and then some cause stamp will be dumping too
[2017-04-17 15:41:59] Ahhere : zqooN: if crypto becomes world reserve levels it will be so boring we'll tell young traders they missed the wild west fun times and they'll raise their eyes
[2017-04-17 15:42:04] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 113000 @ 1205.1 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2017-04-17 15:42:10] l3f : rofl
[2017-04-17 15:42:17] Yuppie : I think it could sell off hard
[2017-04-17 15:42:26] Aegis : REKT: rekt by bitmex
[2017-04-17 15:42:37] blaat : damn lol
[2017-04-17 15:42:43] blaat : making free money
[2017-04-17 15:42:48] Yuppie : People panic buy BTC on Finex and dump somewhere else
[2017-04-17 15:43:04] 123abc : so short SWAP
[2017-04-17 15:43:07] Moonlighter : all about the rekt bus
[2017-04-17 15:43:12] Moonlighter : aboard^
[2017-04-17 15:43:15] rapidtrades : they will prolly stop BTC withdrawals soon
[2017-04-17 15:43:21] cg : BitMEX_Greg: why dont you use this index:https://tradeblock.com/markets/index/
[2017-04-17 15:43:26] rapidtrades : /prie
[2017-04-17 15:43:33] cg : looks like a very robust and reliable index
[2017-04-17 15:43:33] rapidtrades : /price
[2017-04-17 15:43:37] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1182.24 (-0.17%) Bitfinex : 1224.10 (-0.12%) The Woodchipper : 1209.66 (0.23%) itBit : 1191.40 (-0.16%) Kraken : 1195.50 (-0.29%) GDAX : 1185.75 (0.01%) SLQ : 3 mins```
[2017-04-17 15:43:43] j8 : been there done that cg
[2017-04-17 15:43:45] Yuppie : Again uncertainty in BTC space...thanks Finex
[2017-04-17 15:43:59] Actualiteit : couldve sseen this coming, finex trading for days at an absurd premium
[2017-04-17 15:44:02] Ahhere : Finishedex
[2017-04-17 15:44:03] Yuppie : rapidtrades: think so too
[2017-04-17 15:44:10] BitMEX_Greg : cg: That contains Bitfinex and GDAX. The only difference is its also including ItBit
[2017-04-17 15:44:12] Actualiteit : Bitfingox
[2017-04-17 15:44:15] Yuppie : Something is wrong here
[2017-04-17 15:44:16] Shoba : Actualiteit: that's what i said, but nobody seemed to care
[2017-04-17 15:44:21] Ahhere : Scamex
[2017-04-17 15:44:28] aguia7 : Warr
[2017-04-17 15:44:43] Actualiteit : Shoba: hmmm haven't seen you saying it, prolly because it got drowned out by eth shills
[2017-04-17 15:44:43] Ahhere : I mean scamfinex
[2017-04-17 15:44:53] rapidtrades : I love crisis man
[2017-04-17 15:44:57] BitMEX_Greg : cg: We also want an index that can be replicated by our traders
[2017-04-17 15:45:00] rapidtrades : so fun to trade
[2017-04-17 15:45:02] 5bg : big quetion now is does bfx have enough btc to let all cash out?
[2017-04-17 15:45:14] Ahhere : rapidtrades: where is that red button ?!
[2017-04-17 15:45:19] Actualiteit : 5bg: I'm going with, maybe not
[2017-04-17 15:45:22] cg : BitMEX_Greg: yes, but they have functionality for exactly this: The index price reflects data points that are discretely weighted in proportion to their variance from the rest of the cohort. As the price at a particular exchange diverges from the rest of the data points, its influence on the index consequently decreases.
[2017-04-17 15:45:33] rapidtrades : .................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[2017-04-17 15:45:40] rapidtrades : red button
[2017-04-17 15:45:46] KyllingLolsson : What happened??
[2017-04-17 15:45:51] 5bg : Actualiteit: yea maybe, I'd say 80% chance they can allow all to cash out
[2017-04-17 15:45:59] Shoba : KyllingLolsson: https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/200
[2017-04-17 15:46:04] BitMEX_Sam : cg: We used TradeBlock for nearly a year
[2017-04-17 15:46:12] Ahhere : Ok thanks guy on it @rapidtrades fast fingers needed in crypto
[2017-04-17 15:46:16] KyllingLolsson : Wtf @Shoba
[2017-04-17 15:46:27] BitMEX_Greg : cg: Yes, when you start introducing complicated methodologies for indices, then market makers have a very hard and expensive time to replicate for their hedged positions
[2017-04-17 15:46:30] BitMEX_Sam : We have gone down that road. Traders didn't like that they couldn't recreate the index independently, and when MDEs occurred we could not get them to make changes quickly enough to be usable for a mark price.
[2017-04-17 15:46:39] j8 : XBX index was garbage, nobody knows how it's calculated except the guy that made it
[2017-04-17 15:46:45] cg : ah I see, thanks
[2017-04-17 15:46:48] BitMEX_Sam : The simple truth is, there doesn't exist an index provider that operates 24/7/365 like we must.
[2017-04-17 15:46:56] rapidtrades : also this https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/65vxo4/antpools_hashrate_on_litecoin_is_suddenly_up_to/
[2017-04-17 15:46:58] mbaril : 1184 is mroe the average price right now
[2017-04-17 15:47:01] BitMEX_Sam : They aren't marking live contracts, so their standards of uptime and responsiveness aren't the same.
[2017-04-17 15:47:02] mbaril : we are still really high
[2017-04-17 15:47:05] Average : You can have 4 to 6 indexes and drop the highest and lowest one, and average the rest
[2017-04-17 15:47:19] cg : I see
[2017-04-17 15:47:45] blaat : stamp wtf
[2017-04-17 15:47:52] BitMEX_Sam : cg: Believe me, we'd be happy to outsource it to a reliable provider. Said reliable provider simply doesn't exist.
[2017-04-17 15:48:24] rapidtrades : is it out yet? finex?
[2017-04-17 15:48:36] mbaril : Cant wait for it
[2017-04-17 15:48:39] 5bg : top of the hour
[2017-04-17 15:48:44] mbaril : the index will go down and bot will sell
[2017-04-17 15:48:47] mbaril : as hell :P
[2017-04-17 15:49:05] blaat : ^^
[2017-04-17 15:49:23] 123abc : mbaril: 1200 is average right now once bitfinex is removed
[2017-04-17 15:49:26] MikeHunt : M17 will go up?
[2017-04-17 15:49:55] Shoba : MikeHunt: probably stay about the same, but who knows for sure
[2017-04-17 15:49:59] BitMEX_Sam : See https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBT for what the price will be after the change.
[2017-04-17 15:50:01] mbaril : 123abc: more like 1190
[2017-04-17 15:50:20] BitMEX_Sam : If the deweighting happened in the last minute, the price would drop from 1210 to 1200.
[2017-04-17 15:50:26] BitMEX_Sam : So please be aware and adjust your orders accordingly.
[2017-04-17 15:50:38] dorsens : you're removing bitfinex from the index FOR ACTIVE CONTRACTS?
[2017-04-17 15:50:42] dorsens : this is outrageous
[2017-04-17 15:50:50] rapidtrades : thank god, some reprieve for shorts
[2017-04-17 15:50:50] dorsens : longs literally getting stolen from
[2017-04-17 15:50:54] dorsens : what a joke
[2017-04-17 15:50:56] dorsens : I'm done with you
[2017-04-17 15:50:59] BitMEX_Sam : dorsens: This is common and part of the index spec when we must declare a Market Disruption Event.
[2017-04-17 15:51:04] Actualiteit : youre longing on an exit pump ur asking for it tbh
[2017-04-17 15:51:09] BitMEX_Sam : The current premium is due to the price on Bitfinex not reflecting reality.
[2017-04-17 15:51:18] Shoba : dorsens: trade 3 month on low leverage is you want to avoid weird market events
[2017-04-17 15:51:18] dorsens : than change it for new contracts
[2017-04-17 15:51:22] rapidtrades : +1
[2017-04-17 15:51:27] BombaUcigasa : Take that man's contracts so he doesn't get upset...
[2017-04-17 15:51:36] Aegis : BitMEX_Sam: and u decide to announce that right after this rally up in bitfinex?
[2017-04-17 15:51:36] rapidtrades : +1 for sam not dorsens
[2017-04-17 15:51:39] dorsens : the point of making a contract is that its term are fixed
[2017-04-17 15:51:41] Apocalyptic : swap already corrected
[2017-04-17 15:51:52] BitMEX_Sam : See https://www.bitmex.com/app/exchangeGuide#Market-Disruption-Event-MDE
[2017-04-17 15:51:54] sleger : terms are not changing, maybe you should read them
[2017-04-17 15:52:08] Aegis : BitMEX_Sam: why do u guys announce u will be removing bitfinex after it rallies?
[2017-04-17 15:52:09] BitMEX_Sam : Aegis: We're talking a matter of minutes here, the rally was caused by the deposit block.
[2017-04-17 15:52:10] blaat : no one reads terms lol
[2017-04-17 15:52:21] Apocalyptic : dorsens: swap doesn't settle, following your logic there could be no change made to swap
[2017-04-17 15:52:29] Aegis : BitMEX_Sam: how could the rally be caused by deposit block? did they just announce it now?
[2017-04-17 15:52:34] BitMEX_Sam : Aegis: Yes
[2017-04-17 15:52:38] Shoba : Aegis: https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/200
[2017-04-17 15:52:40] Ahhere : Apocalyptic: "If the deweighting happened in the last minute, the price would drop from 1210 to 1200." Not priced in yet
[2017-04-17 15:52:51] Apocalyptic : Ahhere: market did
[2017-04-17 15:52:56] Apocalyptic : look at the book
[2017-04-17 15:52:58] rapidtrades : its only $10 drop ppl
[2017-04-17 15:52:59] chocolicious : Sam I hope that when you they get their deposits handled I hope you add it back
[2017-04-17 15:53:01] rapidtrades : relax
[2017-04-17 15:53:17] rapidtrades : better now then when finex is at +200 or -500
[2017-04-17 15:53:20] BitMEX_Sam : chocolicious: If the price converges back within a normal range, that is what we will do.
[2017-04-17 15:53:27] billyboy402 : Can we remove the chinese exchange that are the same problem
[2017-04-17 15:53:31] BitMEX_Sam : Given some cooling-off time, of course.
[2017-04-17 15:53:38] thomaskikansha : the renewed index should be at around 1195
[2017-04-17 15:53:41] rapidtrades : remember gox? it traded to <100 when rest were 500-600
[2017-04-17 15:53:54] igr : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 15:53:56] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 23.95 / 76.05 Daily : 35.50 / 64.50 Weekly : 48.73 / 51.27 Monthly : 48.36 / 51.64```
[2017-04-17 15:54:00] rapidtrades : longterm this helps longs more then shorts
[2017-04-17 15:54:08] BitMEX_Sam : Yes: we deemed it necessary to remove BFX as quickly as possible before the divergence becomes more severe.
[2017-04-17 15:54:19] rapidtrades : good thinking sam
[2017-04-17 15:54:22] blaat : rapidtrades: I wonder how many here are from the gox age
[2017-04-17 15:54:23] datboiyuan : Man, I feel stupid for complaining about the index. Apparently we were better off with OKC and bitstamp.
[2017-04-17 15:54:25] arbitrage101 : any eta?
[2017-04-17 15:54:29] arbitrage101 : on remover
[2017-04-17 15:54:35] sleger : which makes sense, ONLY because it is in the specs
[2017-04-17 15:54:39] 123abc : 6 minutes till index drops
[2017-04-17 15:54:44] 123abc : get your shorts in
[2017-04-17 15:54:47] arbitrage101 : ok
[2017-04-17 15:54:48] mbaril : going down soon guys
[2017-04-17 15:54:50] mbaril : time to short ;)
[2017-04-17 15:54:58] thomaskikansha : $14 diff expected
[2017-04-17 15:55:12] blaat : bullshit
[2017-04-17 15:55:19] blaat : current index is 1198
[2017-04-17 15:55:31] Makimoto : i was around during gox
[2017-04-17 15:55:47] Makimoto : people have got to have massive hedge exposure over at finex
[2017-04-17 15:56:35] 123abc : bitfinex is gonna explode if shorts close
[2017-04-17 15:56:42] blaat : 8 buck index drop max
[2017-04-17 15:56:56] Ahhere : Finex really getting fuked or really up to fukery can't decide which
[2017-04-17 15:57:05] sleger : 123abc: why ? is there more shorts than longs ?
[2017-04-17 15:57:11] 123abc : sleger: yes
[2017-04-17 15:57:11] thomaskikansha : GDAX is $40 cheaper
[2017-04-17 15:57:18] 5bg : it 10 atm, that will lead to liquidations prob drop 15-20
[2017-04-17 15:57:20] 123abc : more btc short than long on bitfinex
[2017-04-17 15:57:21] Average : /price
[2017-04-17 15:57:24] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1187.77 (0.47%) Bitfinex : 1228.80 (0.38%) The Woodchipper : 1206.40 (-0.27%) itBit : 1195.14 (0.31%) Kraken : 1200.00 (0.38%) GDAX : 1186.49 (0.06%) SLQ : 13 mins```
[2017-04-17 15:57:29] arbitrage101 : this is totallly fuck up
[2017-04-17 15:57:39] arbitrage101 : all btc exchanges
[2017-04-17 15:57:50] blaat : down down down
[2017-04-17 15:57:51] 123abc : it'd pay to move btc to bitfinex to long and then move btc off with profit
[2017-04-17 15:57:53] cg : soon every exchange has different price and nobody knows what to trade :P
[2017-04-17 15:58:04] mbaril : ahhha I love the troll
[2017-04-17 15:58:06] thomaskikansha : estimated index at 1192~1193
[2017-04-17 15:58:11] Aegis : does bitmex price weigh kraken?
[2017-04-17 15:58:16] 123abc : index will be 1197 in 2 minutes
[2017-04-17 15:58:21] 5bg : exchanges with no problems are at 1187
[2017-04-17 15:58:23] BitMEX_Greg : Aegis: No, only Bitstamp and OkCoin USD
[2017-04-17 15:58:26] Makimoto : i think any shake up at a major exchange will be weak for the price overall
[2017-04-17 15:58:46] sleger : thomaskikansha: your math is wrong
[2017-04-17 15:58:57] dodic : what about interest rates used for the swap?
[2017-04-17 15:59:00] Aegis : BitMEX_Greg: you guys should look to implement kraken, it is the most safe exchange out there, imo.. They even do proof of reserves
[2017-04-17 15:59:00] arbitrage101 : bitstamp and okcoin usd have shitty liquidity
[2017-04-17 15:59:07] dodic : isn't that all based on finex?
[2017-04-17 15:59:10] 5bg : okc is still tracking bfx, that will change
[2017-04-17 15:59:18] aethlios : BitMEX_Greg: add kraken euro pair (converted with current eurusd exchange)
[2017-04-17 15:59:25] thomaskikansha : sleger: I thought finex:stamp:okc is 1:1:1?
[2017-04-17 15:59:33] sleger : now yes
[2017-04-17 15:59:35] thomaskikansha : changing to gdax
[2017-04-17 15:59:40] thomaskikansha : still 1:1:1
[2017-04-17 15:59:43] sleger : no
[2017-04-17 15:59:43] datboiyuan : arbitrage101: Sure but at least they don't go down to $0
[2017-04-17 15:59:47] blaat : 1198 incoming
[2017-04-17 15:59:59] sleger : thomaskikansha: stamp & 0kc only
[2017-04-17 16:00:01] 123abc : seconds away
[2017-04-17 16:00:10] sleger : failed
[2017-04-17 16:00:10] rugu : what hapened to ltc?
[2017-04-17 16:00:16] 123abc : wtf index didnt change
[2017-04-17 16:00:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 100 @ 1200.6
[2017-04-17 16:00:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 22202 @ 1181.5
[2017-04-17 16:00:24] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 620 @ 1206.1
[2017-04-17 16:00:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 52000 @ 1198.6 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-04-17 16:00:28] 123abc : there we go
[2017-04-17 16:00:29] blaat : poof
[2017-04-17 16:00:35] dorsens : good job
[2017-04-17 16:00:38] dorsens : this is an outrage
[2017-04-17 16:00:42] 123abc : get rekt n00bs
[2017-04-17 16:00:43] thomaskikansha : sleger: oh I get it now thanks
[2017-04-17 16:00:50] dorsens : you STOLE MONEY from these liquidated long
[2017-04-17 16:00:58] shillosopher : lmao
[2017-04-17 16:01:00] Apocalyptic : I see rekts
[2017-04-17 16:01:04] Poo : Should of held my short longer what a retrace
[2017-04-17 16:01:09] datboiyuan : dorsens: How?
[2017-04-17 16:01:21] dorsens : datboiyuan: by changing the index for active contracts?
[2017-04-17 16:01:27] Poo : Rekts are a good thing. Feel sorry for the peeps tho
[2017-04-17 16:01:33] sleger : dorsens: but the change is part of the specs
[2017-04-17 16:01:38] rugu : how much time for bitfine to be removed from the tracker?
[2017-04-17 16:01:40] 123abc : swap so bullish
[2017-04-17 16:01:45] Tetsuo : Finex delivered some fine eggs this eastern.
[2017-04-17 16:01:46] Actualiteit : dorsens: I thought you were done?
[2017-04-17 16:01:48] alfaCharlie : /price
[2017-04-17 16:01:50] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1187.77 (0.00%) Bitfinex : 1229.40 (0.05%) The Woodchipper : 1207.70 (0.11%) itBit : 1195.14 (0.00%) Kraken : 1196.02 (-0.33%) GDAX : 1186.15 (-0.03%) SLQ : 4 mins```
[2017-04-17 16:01:53] datboiyuan : dorsens: You had plenty of time to get out
[2017-04-17 16:01:55] 5bg : dorsens: it's eternal contract, index changed many times
[2017-04-17 16:02:02] dorsens : datboiyuan: I did get out
[2017-04-17 16:02:08] sleger : and the index was artificially higher due to finex problems and not being an exchange @dorsens
[2017-04-17 16:02:13] rugu : what happened to my ltc :(
[2017-04-17 16:02:15] dorsens : but those people didn't see this ridiculous change
[2017-04-17 16:02:25] dorsens : and they got stolen from
[2017-04-17 16:02:27] sleger : this change is not ridiculous
[2017-04-17 16:02:30] blaat : free icecream today :D
[2017-04-17 16:02:31] sleger : it was to be expected
[2017-04-17 16:02:47] datboiyuan : sleger: agreed
[2017-04-17 16:03:00] rugu : u think it will drop more?
[2017-04-17 16:03:25] rugu : Did one of those pools stop signaling segwit?
[2017-04-17 16:03:35] Ahhere : What does btc-e think?
[2017-04-17 16:03:42] KyllingLolsson : I think all of this is the beginning of a real crisis
[2017-04-17 16:03:45] dodic : Are we still using finex interest rates for swap?
[2017-04-17 16:04:02] golem : no
[2017-04-17 16:04:03] sleger : dodic: good question
[2017-04-17 16:04:07] Ahhere : Btce says 1204
[2017-04-17 16:04:09] Yuppie : KyllingLolsson: might well be the case
[2017-04-17 16:04:17] Actualiteit : Ahhere: BTC-e is prolly just like always: "Yeah, whatever bruh.."
[2017-04-17 16:04:20] Ahhere : Bullish .. ish
[2017-04-17 16:04:27] KyllingLolsson : Yuppie: me think 500 level
[2017-04-17 16:04:35] Yuppie : Surprised we still holding up very well
[2017-04-17 16:04:41] igr : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 16:04:43] blaat : BTC crisis pls yes
[2017-04-17 16:04:44] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 25.54 / 74.46 Daily : 35.61 / 64.39 Weekly : 48.75 / 51.25 Monthly : 48.38 / 51.62```
[2017-04-17 16:04:51] Ahhere : Actualiteit: btc-e is the class stoner
[2017-04-17 16:05:02] Actualiteit : exactly
[2017-04-17 16:05:09] herpinator : dam I'm glad I am out of my long I was holding that underwater for a while
[2017-04-17 16:05:46] Ahhere : Before i long I'm going to read up on this finex latest drama .. and then go long anyway
[2017-04-17 16:06:07] Ahhere : Knowledge is power etc.
[2017-04-17 16:06:28] Aegis : Ahhere: +1
[2017-04-17 16:06:30] Rookie : I feel panicky
[2017-04-17 16:06:32] Aegis : Ahhere: knowledge is life not power
[2017-04-17 16:06:39] KyllingLolsson : Noleg is power @Ahhere
[2017-04-17 16:06:43] Rookie : maybe I shouldn't trade right now
[2017-04-17 16:06:46] MikeHunt : Fintanic
[2017-04-17 16:07:05] KyllingLolsson : NAWLEGE
[2017-04-17 16:07:17] thomaskikansha : fingox
[2017-04-17 16:07:25] KyllingLolsson : thomaskikansha: +1
[2017-04-17 16:07:54] MikeHunt : hit an IceFarg-o
[2017-04-17 16:08:38] MikeHunt : apparently Wells might get other banks to boycott finex as well
[2017-04-17 16:08:50] Yuppie : What actually happend when swap dripped to 1120 a couple of days ago? Somebody dumping to manipulate the market?
[2017-04-17 16:09:17] Shoba : MikeHunt: source on this?
[2017-04-17 16:09:17] dorsens : Yuppie: coinbase had a glitch and went to 0.06$
[2017-04-17 16:09:27] dorsens : so the index got confused and bots mass sold
[2017-04-17 16:09:28] MikeHunt : Shoba: i think it was coindesk
[2017-04-17 16:09:31] Poo : Did anyone manage to buy coins at that price?
[2017-04-17 16:09:39] Yuppie : What? And some bots sold?
[2017-04-17 16:09:48] 5bg : why is okc so much higher than stamp?
[2017-04-17 16:10:12] l3f : 5bg: stamp's been taking dumps to the chest
[2017-04-17 16:10:18] MikeHunt : Shoba: it was an article by Karpeles but kinda dud now since lawsuit over, nvm
[2017-04-17 16:10:21] l3f : big steaming ones from bfx whales
[2017-04-17 16:10:22] bigpapa : @5bg cause it's racist
[2017-04-17 16:10:27] Actualiteit : 5bg: bearstamp just being bearstamp bro
[2017-04-17 16:10:59] MikeHunt : trying to work out if this whole thing is bearish or bullish
[2017-04-17 16:11:03] MikeHunt : market seems confused as well
[2017-04-17 16:11:09] Yuppie : /price
[2017-04-17 16:11:13] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1187.82 (0.00%) Bitfinex : 1230.30 (0.07%) The Woodchipper : 1207.06 (-0.05%) itBit : 1195.14 (0.00%) Kraken : 1197.38 (0.11%) GDAX : 1186.44 (0.02%) SLQ : 9 mins```
[2017-04-17 16:11:17] shillosopher : bearish confirmed
[2017-04-17 16:11:42] 5bg : stamp and coinbase agree, there are reasons for premiums of that size Bfx reason is obvious, what is okc's reason
[2017-04-17 16:11:56] bingbongfly : loadig up cheap futures here
[2017-04-17 16:12:19] shillosopher : "cheap"
[2017-04-17 16:12:41] MikeHunt : problem is they pulled deposits so that sorta slows down the pump
[2017-04-17 16:12:53] 5bg : selling over priced futures here
[2017-04-17 16:13:52] bingbongfly : nice discount on futures
[2017-04-17 16:14:36] sleger : 5bg: people are afraid of chinese exchanges withdrawals issues
[2017-04-17 16:14:46] shillosopher : bingbongfly: hows your futures long doing?
[2017-04-17 16:14:50] Shoba : bingbongfly: you can wait more than 2 minutes between spam efforts
[2017-04-17 16:15:31] igr : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 16:15:33] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 26.73 / 73.27 Daily : 35.51 / 64.49 Weekly : 48.68 / 51.32 Monthly : 48.40 / 51.60```
[2017-04-17 16:15:38] Actualiteit : bingbongfly: futures nicely discounted
[2017-04-17 16:15:42] 5bg : Last 3 months, Biggest btc exchange, crippled by china US reject ETF's for foreseeable future (new) Biggest exchange crippled by banks refusing to deal with them Bitcoin fan's "This is fine, the price is going up, this is a good thing"
[2017-04-17 16:16:12] Shoba : 5bg: sounds like a recipe for an all time high to me
[2017-04-17 16:16:13] bingbongfly : shillosopher: very nice, sold at 1213 and rebought
[2017-04-17 16:18:06] Poo : bingbongfly: hmmm will it go up tho..?
[2017-04-17 16:18:14] MikeHunt : i have the feeling it will
[2017-04-17 16:18:14] Ahhere : So polo fukt and finex fukt this is bad for chrimbo
[2017-04-17 16:18:16] Ahhere : *crypto
[2017-04-17 16:18:26] emcor : guys
[2017-04-17 16:18:28] shillosopher : Ahhere: what up with polo?
[2017-04-17 16:18:30] emcor : the bitcoin is dead
[2017-04-17 16:18:32] MikeHunt : fingox is basically stuck in drive
[2017-04-17 16:18:32] emcor : its over
[2017-04-17 16:18:33] Shoba : Ahhere: what happened with polo?
[2017-04-17 16:18:34] emcor : gg wp
[2017-04-17 16:18:40] bingbongfly : Poo: I think eventually we'll go to 1400$ and upwards
[2017-04-17 16:18:40] Ahhere : Well they have tether which is finex thing
[2017-04-17 16:18:54] 5bg : Also bfx price spike has pulled up stamp et al $20 once that btc leaving bfx atm hits the other exchanges I expect the $20 to retrace + maybe more
[2017-04-17 16:18:56] bingbongfly : just gotta make sure to have enough margin for a drop down to 1000$
[2017-04-17 16:19:02] Ahhere : Polo price is 1227
[2017-04-17 16:19:09] Shoba : Ahhere: never paid much attention to that, guess i'll have to take a look at it
[2017-04-17 16:19:27] 5bg : Ahhere: polo uses tether same as bfx so they are linked
[2017-04-17 16:19:48] rugu : when will bitfinex index be removed for the mark price?
[2017-04-17 16:19:56] Armis : It's going down in coinbase looks like
[2017-04-17 16:19:57] sleger : rugu: 19 min ago ?
[2017-04-17 16:20:01] Ahhere : It's a cryptoclusterfuk technically speaking
[2017-04-17 16:20:04] Actualiteit : rugu: in about 20 minutes ago
[2017-04-17 16:20:07] zqooN : Ahhere: I like chrimbo
[2017-04-17 16:20:10] rugu : made no effect on price
[2017-04-17 16:20:25] Actualiteit : rugu: because it got priced in pretty wuickl;y
[2017-04-17 16:20:28] Actualiteit : quickly
[2017-04-17 16:20:35] Ahhere : Me too but there will be no presents here just bags of shit @zqooN
[2017-04-17 16:20:40] Shoba : rugu: index dropped about $10
[2017-04-17 16:20:49] Shoba : but market on here had already priced it in basically
[2017-04-17 16:20:49] rugu : /rekt
[2017-04-17 16:20:50] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 38 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 113000 @ 1205.1 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 1 hour, 3 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 216000 @ 1203.3 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 1 day, 17 hours, 18 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 184359 @ 1156.0 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ```
[2017-04-17 16:21:01] sleger : so the best joke of the day : many are still lending their btc on finex for 0.03% per day ....
[2017-04-17 16:21:03] Sultan Pepper : rugu: scroll up to see rekts
[2017-04-17 16:21:09] zqooN : Ahhere: Just Hodl ur Chrimbo Gringo
[2017-04-17 16:21:19] Yuppie : I wonder if Tether reserves have ever been audited
[2017-04-17 16:21:22] emcor : rugu: "made no effect on price"
[2017-04-17 16:21:24] emcor : HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[2017-04-17 16:21:26] emcor : re_tard
[2017-04-17 16:21:35] Ahhere : sleger: picking up pennies in front of a steamroller springs to mind
[2017-04-17 16:21:35] dodic : sleger: I was surprised the interest rate wasn't through the roof
[2017-04-17 16:22:16] Yuppie : Can I borrow Thether anywhere and short sell on significant magin?
[2017-04-17 16:22:32] Ahhere : Yuppie: good question +1
[2017-04-17 16:22:36] rapidtrades : idk kraken?
[2017-04-17 16:22:39] 5bg : The thing is bitfinex will probably be ok, it is just probably is not good enough for most people and there assets
[2017-04-17 16:22:46] Shoba : thought poloniex had margin trading? don't know if you can do it there
[2017-04-17 16:23:02] shillosopher : /price
[2017-04-17 16:23:04] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1187.64 (-0.02%) Bitfinex : 1230.70 (0.03%) The Woodchipper : 1209.19 (0.18%) itBit : 1193.89 (-0.10%) Kraken : 1197.37 (0.00%) GDAX : 1183.23 (-0.27%) SLQ : 11 mins```
[2017-04-17 16:23:10] Yuppie : 3x wont do it...
[2017-04-17 16:23:18] Ahhere : Tether price is $0.998751 on coinmarketcap. Not very tethery
[2017-04-17 16:23:27] Shoba : don't think there's going to be anywhere you can short it with any volume
[2017-04-17 16:25:19] rapidtrades : we should get a major drop soon, maybe now or in day or two
[2017-04-17 16:25:36] rapidtrades : finex will have to block BTC withdrawals or close shop
[2017-04-17 16:25:42] Ahhere : rapidtrades: why the change of heart you are always so bullish?
[2017-04-17 16:25:44] rapidtrades : that will cause the real drop
[2017-04-17 16:26:03] InvalidUser : Most people will have to sign up for new accounts to sell the coins they just bought and took out of Finex
[2017-04-17 16:26:17] rapidtrades : huh
[2017-04-17 16:26:24] rapidtrades : why
[2017-04-17 16:26:40] l3f : rapidtrades: time to inverse
[2017-04-17 16:26:43] l3f : when rapid is this bearish
[2017-04-17 16:26:47] l3f : buy the damn coin
[2017-04-17 16:28:31] Yuppie : On Kraken Tether is already at 0.96 offered
[2017-04-17 16:29:54] Apocalyptic : would be interesting when it's sub 10
[2017-04-17 16:30:05] rapidtrades : Yuppie: is there margin?
[2017-04-17 16:30:24] bingbongfly : discount is rapidly dissapearing! quick rapid, gotta be fast
[2017-04-17 16:30:51] MikeHunt : i said this could be like jan3rd
[2017-04-17 16:31:13] aethlios : sleger: kraken allows usd withdrwals?? tether in discount because of finex sellers?
[2017-04-17 16:31:14] MikeHunt : (dip between now and 13th)
[2017-04-17 16:31:57] Yuppie : rapidtrades: I don't know only used Kraken to convert into Fiat. Some pairs have up to 3x I think
[2017-04-17 16:32:29] sleger : aethlios: tether in discount because same problem as finex, no usd withdrawal
[2017-04-17 16:32:48] sleger : aethlios: i do not have an account at kraken, but i dont think they have any fiat issue (?)
[2017-04-17 16:33:17] aethlios : sleger: no they don't
[2017-04-17 16:33:56] REKT : Getting chopped to death is fun, everyone should try it!
[2017-04-17 16:33:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 10649 @ 1196.3
[2017-04-17 16:34:31] Actualiteit : lol
[2017-04-17 16:34:32] Poo : Lol^^
[2017-04-17 16:34:59] arbitrage101 : i lost my mojo
[2017-04-17 16:35:52] aethlios : sleger: what spot exchanges to use now? nothing left.
[2017-04-17 16:36:39] rapidtrades : use kraken
[2017-04-17 16:36:54] Apocalyptic : aethlios: what's the issue with stamp ?
[2017-04-17 16:37:25] aethlios : stamp no margin no leverage high fees.
[2017-04-17 16:37:37] arbitrage101 : and no liquidity
[2017-04-17 16:37:42] aethlios : kraken same, has 100k margin limit.
[2017-04-17 16:37:51] arbitrage101 : and they ask where your money come from
[2017-04-17 16:37:57] arbitrage101 : and what you plan to do with btc
[2017-04-17 16:38:03] asdfasdf : my postion got liqudated no where near the liqudation price, wtf
[2017-04-17 16:38:05] stf28 : yeah that makes them trsuty exchanges now
[2017-04-17 16:38:10] asdfasdf : liq price was around 1500
[2017-04-17 16:38:13] sleger : i'm fine with futures exchanges, if i need to convert there is always localbitcoin the best exchange on earth
[2017-04-17 16:38:33] igr : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 16:38:36] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 49.22 / 50.78 Daily : 36.60 / 63.41 Weekly : 48.65 / 51.35 Monthly : 48.36 / 51.64```
[2017-04-17 16:39:39] rapidtrades : segwit <80% only 76% last 24 hrs
[2017-04-17 16:39:50] rapidtrades : last chance to jump shit before the panic
[2017-04-17 16:40:03] arbitrage101 : making up bad prediction again?
[2017-04-17 16:40:31] rapidtrades : how are ur funds on finex?
[2017-04-17 16:40:40] rapidtrades : arbs going well hmmm?
[2017-04-17 16:40:40] arbitrage101 : just withdraw half
[2017-04-17 16:40:49] arbitrage101 : only lose around 2k usd
[2017-04-17 16:40:51] rapidtrades : keep half there
[2017-04-17 16:40:55] Shoba : miners keep toying with and manipulating litecoin/segwit signalling, bit dangerous to trade it now
[2017-04-17 16:41:27] rapidtrades : its not dangerous at all if u think segwit wont be allowed to activate
[2017-04-17 16:41:29] Shoba : arbitrage101: have you received the withdrawal?
[2017-04-17 16:41:38] arbitrage101 : if finex is still alive in 30 days, i will withdraw remaining half
[2017-04-17 16:41:56] Shoba : rapidtrades: that is true, assuming you're right you eventually get money
[2017-04-17 16:42:04] arbitrage101 : Shoba: yes, received
[2017-04-17 16:42:12] rapidtrades : you win the crypto darwin award @arbitrage101
[2017-04-17 16:42:37] arbitrage101 : rapidtrades: meaning?
[2017-04-17 16:43:15] rapidtrades : meaning you're too stupid to survive and you will be out of the gene pool soon
[2017-04-17 16:43:36] arbitrage101 : are you sure you can outlast me
[2017-04-17 16:44:09] arbitrage101 : i just put 1/5 of my crypto coin into cold wallet
[2017-04-17 16:44:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMRJ17`: sell 15 @ 0.017255
[2017-04-17 16:44:26] arbitrage101 : and the rest, in 30 days
[2017-04-17 16:44:28] rapidtrades : oh a whole fifth
[2017-04-17 16:44:52] rapidtrades : so ur total crypto coin is 10k? wow
[2017-04-17 16:45:14] arbitrage101 : not going to give you a figure
[2017-04-17 16:46:05] rapidtrades : look at this shit https://www.litecoinpool.org/pools
[2017-04-17 16:46:12] rapidtrades : they're mining mostly empty blocks
[2017-04-17 16:46:23] rapidtrades : with <10 transactions
[2017-04-17 16:46:35] shillosopher : /price
[2017-04-17 16:46:37] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1185.98 (-0.14%) Bitfinex : 1239.90 (0.75%) The Woodchipper : 1215.09 (0.49%) itBit : 1191.98 (-0.16%) Kraken : 1202.00 (0.39%) GDAX : 1186.55 (0.28%) SLQ : 23 mins```
[2017-04-17 16:46:44] rapidtrades : noone uses this stupid coin, segwit is worthless fro it
[2017-04-17 16:47:14] arbitrage101 : told you it is easy for pool operator to get dangerously high % of hash
[2017-04-17 16:47:24] arbitrage101 : for 51% attack
[2017-04-17 16:47:33] rapidtrades : there's no block over 20 kb
[2017-04-17 16:47:46] rapidtrades : wtf do they need bigger blocks for
[2017-04-17 16:48:00] arbitrage101 : in case btc blow up?
[2017-04-17 16:48:03] rapidtrades : segwit is wasted on litecoin
[2017-04-17 16:48:17] Ahhere : Two words: test bed
[2017-04-17 16:48:30] arbitrage101 : you realize ltc might benefit if finex go down?
[2017-04-17 16:48:35] rapidtrades : more like one word HYPE
[2017-04-17 16:49:03] Ahhere : Id rather risk ltc segwit exploit first than btc
[2017-04-17 16:49:08] PARAFFIN : Hello
[2017-04-17 16:49:13] Ahhere : Everyone's a winner
[2017-04-17 16:49:20] Actualiteit : hi
[2017-04-17 16:49:30] rapidtrades : also the anti-segwit caps is mining really small blocks <5kb
[2017-04-17 16:50:09] Ahhere : Isn't that to do with using asicboost? Or is that only btc?
[2017-04-17 16:51:00] rapidtrades : we don't know
[2017-04-17 16:51:10] rapidtrades : there's lot of zeros in there for sure
[2017-04-17 16:51:13] arbitrage101 : you mean you dont know
[2017-04-17 16:51:26] arbitrage101 : you are not "we"
[2017-04-17 16:51:46] rapidtrades : shut up finex burn victim
[2017-04-17 16:52:29] arbitrage101 : their equity investors will suffer more
[2017-04-17 16:52:57] arbitrage101 : getting hit twice in less than a year
[2017-04-17 16:54:53] Shoba : Ahhere: no asicboost on litecoin that is public knowledge
[2017-04-17 16:55:05] sleger : i wonder if the swap premium is because many bots dont "listen" to the index but still compute it using the old formula ....
[2017-04-17 16:55:29] igr : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 16:55:32] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 24.45 / 75.55 Daily : 34.47 / 65.53 Weekly : 48.11 / 51.90 Monthly : 48.33 / 51.67```
[2017-04-17 16:55:41] shillosopher : /price
[2017-04-17 16:55:43] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1185.96 (0.00%) Bitfinex : 1236.70 (-0.26%) The Woodchipper : 1214.47 (-0.05%) itBit : 1191.86 (-0.01%) Kraken : 1206.70 (0.39%) GDAX : 1187.99 (0.12%) SLQ : 9 mins```
[2017-04-17 16:56:14] Shoba : well, someone trying to buy 100k, so probably not just bots
[2017-04-17 16:56:34] Shoba : though it could be contributing
[2017-04-17 16:56:42] shillosopher : anyone have a link to the API where the woodchipper provides price?
[2017-04-17 16:57:32] Shoba : any ideas where the main trading volume will move to?
[2017-04-17 16:58:08] sleger : bitfinex
[2017-04-17 16:58:25] sleger : like history showed us
[2017-04-17 16:58:56] Shoba : (if they don't get it together before market gets pissed off)
[2017-04-17 16:58:57] sleger : Shoba: your name sounds like a great name for cat food, anyone agrees ?
[2017-04-17 16:59:25] sleger : right there with whiskas
[2017-04-17 16:59:30] GT : "Top cats know Shoba"
[2017-04-17 16:59:50] Shoba : if you steal my name and make a successful cat food, i'll settle for 5% of profits
[2017-04-17 16:59:52] sleger : ohhh i googled it and there is one called Sheba
[2017-04-17 16:59:59] sleger : that's why
[2017-04-17 17:00:18] sleger : they should have gone for shoba though
[2017-04-17 17:00:24] MikeHunt : https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51oZdXGjkmL._SX355_.jpg
[2017-04-17 17:00:30] GT : maybe the kosher varient ? lol
[2017-04-17 17:00:33] MikeHunt : maybe Shoba is japanese version
[2017-04-17 17:00:48] GT : Shoba for the orthodox feline
[2017-04-17 17:01:01] MikeHunt : Shōba
[2017-04-17 17:02:15] Actualiteit : Soba?
[2017-04-17 17:02:24] Actualiteit : I love me some soba
[2017-04-17 17:03:11] sleger : I have started the smartest convo of the trollbox year to date.
[2017-04-17 17:03:47] Actualiteit : I think you mussed mark talking about wearing clothies with "holes in strategical places"
[2017-04-17 17:03:55] justinlooking : todays pnl needs more p and less l
[2017-04-17 17:03:58] Actualiteit : for fuck s sake my typing is horrendous
[2017-04-17 17:04:23] sleger : not as horrendous as mark itself i bet
[2017-04-17 17:04:32] Actualiteit : lol
[2017-04-17 17:04:43] sleger : with his stupid fbook profile pic
[2017-04-17 17:06:19] justinlooking : these ur m17 offers sleger?
[2017-04-17 17:06:40] sleger : ?
[2017-04-17 17:06:54] Shoba : someone who thinks finex is fine probably isn't rushing to dump
[2017-04-17 17:06:58] justinlooking : xbtm17 @90, 92.5, 95...
[2017-04-17 17:07:04] Ahhere : sleger: what's marks pic is he in the Spiderman suit?
[2017-04-17 17:07:08] sleger : no @justinlooking
[2017-04-17 17:07:11] justinlooking : kk
[2017-04-17 17:07:25] sleger : Ahhere: no lifting a truck, mark kantardziski
[2017-04-17 17:07:44] sleger : his name was on top of some tradingview screenshots he posted
[2017-04-17 17:07:45] Ahhere : Is it too soon to say weak hands
[2017-04-17 17:07:56] Shoba : yes
[2017-04-17 17:08:05] Shoba : 1150 you can say weak hands
[2017-04-17 17:08:09] Ahhere : sleger: lol I'll look later walking with family missus giving out
[2017-04-17 17:09:55] jeeburns : projection on btc price with this news of bfx? bad news pumping price lol, any guesses?
[2017-04-17 17:11:19] Shoba : somewhere between 900 and 1350
[2017-04-17 17:14:43] MikeHunt : well the only sure way out of finex is withdrawing btc
[2017-04-17 17:14:47] MikeHunt : thats bullish
[2017-04-17 17:14:53] MikeHunt : imo
[2017-04-17 17:15:01] jeeburns : right, crazy
[2017-04-17 17:15:35] MikeHunt : once 1250 falls i think ull see a route of the bears
[2017-04-17 17:15:42] MikeHunt : its already down to 1.64m$
[2017-04-17 17:16:30] Shoba : you're basically predicting that people have so little confidence in bitfinex that the market will go up
[2017-04-17 17:16:51] rapidgains : why would people sell on bitfinex
[2017-04-17 17:17:08] MikeHunt : see atm ppl are like Shoba, unsure of direction
[2017-04-17 17:17:09] rapidgains : would you be content with holding USD on finex?
[2017-04-17 17:17:23] sleger : people will sell on finex IF they block btc withdrawals
[2017-04-17 17:17:24] MikeHunt : once the score becomes obvious
[2017-04-17 17:17:26] sleger : like gox did
[2017-04-17 17:17:27] MikeHunt : then it will move quickly
[2017-04-17 17:17:30] rapidgains : if you had USD on finex would you be content?
[2017-04-17 17:17:35] sleger : then you want USD for the lawsuit
[2017-04-17 17:17:38] rapidgains : would you not want to convert to BTC and gtfo?
[2017-04-17 17:17:38] sleger : rather than btc
[2017-04-17 17:17:48] igr : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 17:17:50] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 30.55 / 69.45 Daily : 36.09 / 63.91 Weekly : 48.25 / 51.75 Monthly : 48.31 / 51.69```
[2017-04-17 17:18:37] Shoba : sleger: you confident enough in bitfinex's health to sell/arbitrage there?
[2017-04-17 17:18:58] sleger : i withdrew everything once i sold my bfx coins
[2017-04-17 17:19:05] sleger : so i cant trade there anymore
[2017-04-17 17:21:11] MikeHunt : http://i.imgur.com/9qEOVo2.png
[2017-04-17 17:21:40] Shoba : btc-e seems to still take usd wires as far as i can tell (not 100% sure) - anyone got an idea how they can keep this up while every other "unregulated" exchange eventually gets shut down?
[2017-04-17 17:22:19] sleger : MikeHunt: why did you only circle the middle of the 2 other bumps around ?
[2017-04-17 17:22:22] rapidgains : MikeHunt: exactly
[2017-04-17 17:22:40] sleger : MikeHunt: jan1 and mar1 looks the same to your circles and price went down
[2017-04-17 17:23:01] Ahhere : I have digested the news and taken a small long. (surprise surprise )
[2017-04-17 17:23:16] Ahhere : #thisisactuallygoodnews
[2017-04-17 17:23:43] MikeHunt : sleger: just suggesting it might be the precursor to a big pump