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[2017-04-17 11:17:44] laisee : Actualiteit: better to start small. try 0.5
[2017-04-17 11:18:00] Actualiteit : laisee: sounds reasonable
[2017-04-17 11:18:19] Actualiteit : might even go 0.1 contract
[2017-04-17 11:18:21] laisee : its possible, if you ask management.
[2017-04-17 11:18:31] rugu : if u do that, you can join me at Mcdonalds
[2017-04-17 11:18:35] Actualiteit : I'm a Platinum member so np
[2017-04-17 11:18:38] frog : it would be sort of cool if jihan reverts
[2017-04-17 11:18:40] rugu : we should have enough to share a happy meal
[2017-04-17 11:18:59] laisee : frog: I am counting on LTC for shits and gigles over next few weeks.
[2017-04-17 11:19:36] frog : laisee: he has the hash to get it under 75% if he chooses
[2017-04-17 11:19:56] laisee : oh, this is gonna be fun .... @frog
[2017-04-17 11:20:16] frog : then sell more miners for next activation period
[2017-04-17 11:20:17] mdsmm : buy goldminesssss
[2017-04-17 11:20:47] rapidtrades : he can't afford to sell anything, he needs every LTC miner
[2017-04-17 11:20:55] laisee : LTC is gonna be tied to a stick and slammed to the ground a few dozen times
[2017-04-17 11:20:56] rapidtrades : if he loses this battle its over for him
[2017-04-17 11:21:38] rapidtrades : BTC pools will think they will get 200% gains too if they segwit
[2017-04-17 11:21:54] frog : rapidtrades: takes him around 20mins to switch
[2017-04-17 11:22:02] laisee : @rapidtrades - no-one is that sttpid
[2017-04-17 11:22:19] frog : hasnt mined any blocks for a while despite having 600GHz
[2017-04-17 11:22:33] laisee : LTC will get forked for days without lube, then dropped off a cliff
[2017-04-17 11:22:35] rapidtrades : laisee: have u seen the LTC price? yes they are
[2017-04-17 11:23:00] frog : just mined one now signalling
[2017-04-17 11:23:29] aethlios : antpool signaled SW??????
[2017-04-17 11:23:29] laisee : the pumpers are selling now, chinese miners lining up the death ray to revert hash once segwith activates. its gonna be bloody.
[2017-04-17 11:23:47] frog : @rapidtrades may have to be patient
[2017-04-17 11:23:49] BitMEX_John : rapidtrades: hey :)
[2017-04-17 11:23:59] rapidtrades : hi john
[2017-04-17 11:24:02] BitMEX_John : rapidtrades: did you ever receive that email?
[2017-04-17 11:24:06] rugu : doesnt matter if hash goes away once segwit is activated, its done, and price will reflect it
[2017-04-17 11:24:15] rapidtrades : yes send a reply yday @BitMEX_John
[2017-04-17 11:24:26] rapidtrades : sry was too busy last few days
[2017-04-17 11:24:40] aethlios : they wanna try avoiding uasf as a shining example for bitcoin??????? clever chinese. SW for BTC will never have 95%
[2017-04-17 11:24:42] laisee : unless they switch 51% to mine on old chain , then LTC will be forked up badly
[2017-04-17 11:25:18] BitMEX_John : rapidtrades: cheers, I see it now
[2017-04-17 11:25:33] BitMEX_John : rapidtrades: no worries it's a busy time of the year
[2017-04-17 11:25:36] laisee : like trump and his bombs, LTS segwit will be a message for BTC Core dev's
[2017-04-17 11:25:52] frog : BTC wont get SW
[2017-04-17 11:25:58] rugu : ^^
[2017-04-17 11:26:03] rugu : too hard for btc
[2017-04-17 11:26:12] frog : no it settlement coin
[2017-04-17 11:26:27] frog : not for buying coffee
[2017-04-17 11:26:36] frog : use LTC for that
[2017-04-17 11:27:06] rapidtrades : that's not much of a pop in LTC
[2017-04-17 11:27:21] frog : no may get more pop
[2017-04-17 11:28:13] rapidtrades : nothing to price in anymore now, only downside risks
[2017-04-17 11:28:20] aethlios : long term capital will get in ltc after SW is locked, will push ltc to 35, LN and confid. txs soon. dump scam dash, join the ltc long term journey to 100 usd.
[2017-04-17 11:28:25] rapidtrades : f2pool switch, jihan strikes back etc
[2017-04-17 11:28:44] rapidtrades : ^^^ look at this f*cking idiot calling for $100
[2017-04-17 11:29:24] frog : ant hashrate now 54Ghz down from 650GHz a few minutes ago
[2017-04-17 11:29:30] rapidtrades : reminds me of bitcoiners calling for 5-10k due to ETF
[2017-04-17 11:29:44] rugu : frog: wut? 600Ghz vanished?
[2017-04-17 11:29:54] Actualiteit : ltc is web fire.56 revolutionary tech m80s ltc WILL be 500MM a pop
[2017-04-17 11:29:56] frog : rapidtrades: yes
[2017-04-17 11:30:04] rapidtrades : i think that's estimated hash due to found blocks
[2017-04-17 11:30:09] frog : he unplug now his work is done
[2017-04-17 11:30:13] rapidtrades : so lot of variance there
[2017-04-17 11:31:12] rapidtrades : they stoppd
[2017-04-17 11:31:14] rapidtrades : lol sell
[2017-04-17 11:31:23] rapidtrades : antpool stopped signalling
[2017-04-17 11:31:24] frog : why?
[2017-04-17 11:31:41] frog : i see
[2017-04-17 11:31:45] rapidtrades : cos it was a ruse
[2017-04-17 11:31:51] rapidtrades : to sell high
[2017-04-17 11:32:00] rapidtrades : also their hash is now way up
[2017-04-17 11:32:06] frog : yes a good one as well
[2017-04-17 11:32:08] rapidtrades : from 80 to 120
[2017-04-17 11:32:26] igr : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 11:32:28] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 72.72 / 27.28 Daily : 46.33 / 53.67 Weekly : 50.75 / 49.25 Monthly : 49.44 / 50.56```
[2017-04-17 11:32:38] rapidtrades : prohashing did this too yday
[2017-04-17 11:32:45] frog : now 600GHz
[2017-04-17 11:32:55] rapidtrades : they could be all in on it, to make a boat load of money shorting
[2017-04-17 11:33:03] rapidtrades : then it doesn't matter if their users switch pools
[2017-04-17 11:33:10] rapidtrades : cos u already made ur monies
[2017-04-17 11:33:13] frog : they will make more money by doing that
[2017-04-17 11:33:24] rapidtrades : yes i think so too
[2017-04-17 11:33:46] rapidtrades : looool 3 blocks no segwit now from antpool
[2017-04-17 11:33:51] frog : 3 blokcs in 3 minutes
[2017-04-17 11:33:53] rapidtrades : watch out bitches
[2017-04-17 11:33:58] frog : i agree
[2017-04-17 11:34:01] rugu : this is confusing af
[2017-04-17 11:34:03] rapidtrades : yep hashrate has to be way up
[2017-04-17 11:34:14] frog : jihan study ecomonics
[2017-04-17 11:34:25] frog : over 600Ghz
[2017-04-17 11:34:30] thomaskikansha : so tricky
[2017-04-17 11:34:53] rapidtrades : frog: where u seeing that? im not seeing that much variation here https://www.litecoinpool.org/pools
[2017-04-17 11:35:16] frog : that is guestiamte
[2017-04-17 11:35:27] frog : not accurate
[2017-04-17 11:35:37] rapidtrades : ur guesstimate?
[2017-04-17 11:35:39] rugu : if ant pool is serious, im going to buy some ltc and quickly sell in a few hours
[2017-04-17 11:35:56] rapidtrades : does it look like they're serious?
[2017-04-17 11:36:03] rapidtrades : thee f*cking newbs man...
[2017-04-17 11:36:17] rugu : seems like they are just playing with the market
[2017-04-17 11:36:18] frog : thansk for the tip on switching back
[2017-04-17 11:37:52] thomaskikansha : if antpool keeps that hash rate the segwit % can go under 80 easily
[2017-04-17 11:37:57] frog : rapidtrades: not over yet
[2017-04-17 11:38:16] rugu : ok iv cashed out of ltc, fuck this
[2017-04-17 11:38:17] frog : jihan has the numbers
[2017-04-17 11:38:20] rapidtrades : looks like a great double top here
[2017-04-17 11:38:22] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Jihan has just figured out his psychology degree is more valuable than his economics degree
[2017-04-17 11:38:22] frog : well done
[2017-04-17 11:38:30] frog : no
[2017-04-17 11:39:03] mdsmm : rapidtrades: already short position?
[2017-04-17 11:39:08] CrazySteve : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 11:39:09] rugu : https://cryptowat.ch/bitfinex/ltcusd/5m Massive drop
[2017-04-17 11:39:10] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 70.40 / 29.60 Daily : 46.53 / 53.47 Weekly : 50.75 / 49.25 Monthly : 49.44 / 50.56```
[2017-04-17 11:39:21] mdsmm : Do you already have a short position** wow, best sentence
[2017-04-17 11:39:29] rapidtrades : well time to grab smth to eat
[2017-04-17 11:39:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 56 @ 0.01076
[2017-04-17 11:39:37] rapidtrades : LTC aint going up soon
[2017-04-17 11:39:40] frog : ive got to do washing
[2017-04-17 11:39:51] rugu : ohhh lol long for rekt on ltc
[2017-04-17 11:40:10] DorianWhack-A-Moto : rekt hasn't begun yet
[2017-04-17 11:40:22] rugu : poor guy, must have bought at 0.011
[2017-04-17 11:40:23] rapidtrades : f2pool switching back is an under-priced risk, it could crash prices to <5
[2017-04-17 11:40:32] thomaskikansha : just shorted some
[2017-04-17 11:40:54] CrazySteve : /price
[2017-04-17 11:40:56] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1166.67 (0.06%) Bitfinex : 1205.30 (-0.02%) The Woodchipper : 1193.58 (-0.36%) itBit : 1177.06 (-0.21%) Kraken : 1183.00 (0.00%) GDAX : 1174.61 (0.00%) SLQ : 43 mins```
[2017-04-17 11:41:22] rapidtrades : LTC trades a lot per day, u could see traders pay off pools to switch on/off
[2017-04-17 11:41:30] rapidtrades : or they could do it themselves
[2017-04-17 11:41:43] rapidtrades : cos these newbs will just on any signal like idiots
[2017-04-17 11:41:51] rapidtrades : jump*
[2017-04-17 11:42:45] 123abc : lol PINK on polo
[2017-04-17 11:43:01] 123abc : 11,367 BTC volume
[2017-04-17 11:45:49] frog : ant hashrate dropped again now 250
[2017-04-17 11:47:04] frog : i think i wait until isee next ant block beofre doing laundry
[2017-04-17 11:47:08] 123abc : so many shitcoins pumping on polo
[2017-04-17 11:47:30] thomaskikansha : someone playing with their miners
[2017-04-17 11:48:59] frog : hash going up
[2017-04-17 11:49:14] frog : jihan playing with us gamblers
[2017-04-17 11:49:57] 123abc : wonder why some LTC idiots like killing rallies with large market dumps
[2017-04-17 11:49:58] frog : if i had to pick end position it would be block segwit
[2017-04-17 11:50:20] frog : he has taken a lot of crap from core fanboys
[2017-04-17 11:54:47] frog : market is waiting for next ant block
[2017-04-17 11:55:32] mdsmm : gonna play overwatch for a sec then haha
[2017-04-17 11:56:57] frog : i feel like crushing some minions
[2017-04-17 11:58:26] igr : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 11:58:29] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 64.49 / 35.51 Daily : 46.53 / 53.47 Weekly : 50.77 / 49.23 Monthly : 49.43 / 50.57```
[2017-04-17 12:16:40] frog : i have to sleep hopefully not rekd when i wake up
[2017-04-17 12:17:52] mdsmm : snort some shit
[2017-04-17 12:17:58] mdsmm : nono kidding haha
[2017-04-17 12:18:08] mdsmm : like 1993
[2017-04-17 12:18:18] frog : i think market will realize jihan not have to signal for segwit to activate and that he f'ing with them, and he show he has enough hash to block
[2017-04-17 12:18:47] frog : mdsmm: sub lingual...
[2017-04-17 12:20:51] frog : also don't think he test and deploy extra scrypt miners to just troll people at top price
[2017-04-17 12:21:44] mdsmm : u long or short before going to sleep?
[2017-04-17 12:21:59] frog : shoer from .019
[2017-04-17 12:22:53] mdsmm : 0.19? :p
[2017-04-17 12:23:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 549 @ 1187.3
[2017-04-17 12:24:54] frog : .019 and you?
[2017-04-17 12:26:15] frog : also based on disclosed hsahrate jihan has told us us he has until 50% of activation period before committing
[2017-04-17 12:26:50] 123abc : XMR pumping
[2017-04-17 12:28:43] sleger : "[2017-04-16 23:24:11] sleger : there will be another big pump soon" [on LTC]
[2017-04-17 12:29:00] sleger : and I rarely say this kind of thing
[2017-04-17 12:42:31] Rado : sleger: tumbs up
[2017-04-17 12:50:16] Johnster : Are deposits/withdraw instant?
[2017-04-17 12:50:49] BitMEX_John : Johnster: deposits require one confirmation
[2017-04-17 12:51:02] igr : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 12:51:04] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 31.91 / 68.09 Daily : 46.48 / 53.52 Weekly : 50.68 / 49.32 Monthly : 49.39 / 50.62```
[2017-04-17 12:51:06] BitMEX_John : Johnster: withdrawals are processed manually once daily
[2017-04-17 12:51:22] Johnster : BitMEX_John: Once a day what time?
[2017-04-17 12:51:32] BitMEX_John : Johnster: 13:00UTC, in 9 minutes
[2017-04-17 12:54:34] Johnster : BitMEX_John: Could you send me the TradingView pine script for the XBTX index?
[2017-04-17 12:55:35] BitMEX_John : Johnster: I can't do it personally, but I will pass this request onto the team and get back to you via email
[2017-04-17 12:55:43] Johnster : BitMEX_John: I say your email.
[2017-04-17 12:56:02] Johnster : BitMEX_John: I saw your email, it's easy to solve on your end.
[2017-04-17 12:57:16] 123abc : damn ltc still dumping
[2017-04-17 12:57:31] BitMEX_John : Johnster: I'm not sure of the technicalities myself but I've been told something needs to happen on TradingView's side
[2017-04-17 12:57:43] BitMEX_John : Johnster: we have been in contact with the developers there
[2017-04-17 12:57:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 5 @ 0.01065
[2017-04-17 12:58:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 129 @ 0.01062
[2017-04-17 12:58:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 3000 @ 0.01060
[2017-04-17 12:58:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 300 @ 0.01058
[2017-04-17 12:59:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 600 @ 0.01053
[2017-04-17 12:59:38] emcor : omg guys whats happening on the ltc -.-
[2017-04-17 12:59:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 500 @ 0.01050
[2017-04-17 12:59:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 11 @ 0.01051
[2017-04-17 12:59:59] emcor : some tweet again?
[2017-04-17 13:00:03] emcor : gg wp i guess
[2017-04-17 13:00:18] 123abc : LTC1BTC increasing hashrate like a crazy
[2017-04-17 13:00:20] 123abc : Antpool hacked
[2017-04-17 13:00:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 300 @ 0.01045
[2017-04-17 13:02:01] emcor : and LTC1BTC is against ltc segwit??
[2017-04-17 13:02:35] Johnster : BitMEX_John: I've sent them an email pushing to set the switch to public. However, meanwhile in meantime, it's ease for BitMex to code it up in pinescript and publish it on your website.
[2017-04-17 13:03:10] BitMEX_John : Johnster: okay, I have passed this request onto the team
[2017-04-17 13:15:59] aguia7 : Is this laterality going to end, returning to 1240? Or will it fall to 1120? http://www.tradingview.com/x/DLKUzNA6
[2017-04-17 13:18:13] Actualiteit : it is going to end indeed
[2017-04-17 13:21:47] Apocalyptic : sideways is good
[2017-04-17 13:22:47] alejandromasari : BitMEX_John: your p/l calculator should be upgraded to work with other listed cryptocurrencies
[2017-04-17 13:24:39] aguia7 : Apocalyptic: yes, too. Yes too. It's that expectation, that you make many points after breaking that laterality.
[2017-04-17 13:28:30] BitMEX_John : alejandromasari: it does currently?
[2017-04-17 13:30:41] sleger : maybe he needs to upgrade his brain to work with other cryptocurrencies ?
[2017-04-17 13:40:07] aguia7 : If it were possible, I'd better find the assets, gold, silver, and oil here. Better than some altcoins where there is no price logic, only volume.
[2017-04-17 13:42:25] igr : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 13:42:28] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 13.06 / 86.94 Daily : 45.53 / 54.47 Weekly : 50.50 / 49.50 Monthly : 49.11 / 50.89```
[2017-04-17 13:54:22] Average : /price
[2017-04-17 13:54:23] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1164.30 (-0.20%) Bitfinex : 1209.40 (0.34%) The Woodchipper : 1196.99 (0.29%) itBit : 1175.99 (-0.09%) Kraken : 1186.24 (0.27%) GDAX : 1174.96 (0.03%) SLQ : 2 hours, 13 mins```
[2017-04-17 13:56:35] rapidtrades : ltc segwit below 75 soon
[2017-04-17 13:56:50] rapidtrades : thank me later
[2017-04-17 13:57:14] 123abc : someone just dumped 14,000 LTC
[2017-04-17 13:57:16] rapidtrades : 12.41 saved for posterity
[2017-04-17 13:59:53] CrazySteve : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 13:59:56] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 32.65 / 67.35 Daily : 45.83 / 54.17 Weekly : 50.51 / 49.49 Monthly : 48.99 / 51.01```
[2017-04-17 14:01:40] rapidtrades : sleger's ''big ltc pump' saved for posterity also
[2017-04-17 14:06:30] frog : rapidtrades: last 72 blocks 67% segwit, around last 2 hours since jihan made up his mind
[2017-04-17 14:08:22] rapidtrades : yep overall hasg up by 250 gh
[2017-04-17 14:08:45] rapidtrades : ltc traders so slow and stupid
[2017-04-17 14:09:01] rapidtrades : dreaming of moonz
[2017-04-17 14:14:28] frog : i just had quick look at reddit
[2017-04-17 14:15:07] frog : man olz
[2017-04-17 14:15:14] frog : lolz
[2017-04-17 14:16:19] emcor : guys
[2017-04-17 14:16:24] emcor : the ltc is gonna shoot up
[2017-04-17 14:16:29] emcor : believe it or not
[2017-04-17 14:16:32] emcor : its gonna happen
[2017-04-17 14:16:41] frog : i agree
[2017-04-17 14:17:30] emcor : the ltc will save us all
[2017-04-17 14:17:37] emcor : its cleansing our souls
[2017-04-17 14:18:04] frog : emcor: was it in 10 years times it goes Up?
[2017-04-17 14:18:10] rapidtrades : yes everyone shoud buy LTC now
[2017-04-17 14:19:28] emcor : frog: it can happen any second
[2017-04-17 14:19:44] emcor : frog: but the probability is not so high
[2017-04-17 14:20:11] frog : yes it is going up now
[2017-04-17 14:21:18] frog : jihan hashrate just dropped to 648GHz
[2017-04-17 14:22:27] rapidtrades : antpool up to 150 from 80 earlier
[2017-04-17 14:22:31] rapidtrades : not sure about ltcbtc
[2017-04-17 14:22:44] rapidtrades : think its up 100gh too
[2017-04-17 14:23:40] emcor : gh doesnt matter
[2017-04-17 14:23:40] rapidtrades : last chance to buy before moon city?
[2017-04-17 14:23:49] emcor : its the cleansing of our souls that matters
[2017-04-17 14:27:07] CrazySteve : What's going on with ltc? imminent segwit activation???
[2017-04-17 14:27:50] rapidtrades : yes
[2017-04-17 14:28:11] rapidtrades : u should buy a lot before everyone else does the same
[2017-04-17 14:28:23] frog : certain to happen has over 80%
[2017-04-17 14:28:32] rapidtrades : done deal
[2017-04-17 14:28:44] frog : also antpool has not been able to mine a block for over 30 minutes
[2017-04-17 14:30:11] rapidtrades : prohashing down to 0.4%, DDOSed by segwit mafia??????
[2017-04-17 14:31:46] sleger : you shorted at 4, then said 8 was the top, never see 10, then say you would stop yourself at 10, then it went to 12, then back to 10, when i said pump soon, couple of hours later back above 12... maybe you may be right this ONE time ? broken clock right twice a day after all
[2017-04-17 14:32:08] rapidtrades : w/e loser
[2017-04-17 14:32:59] rapidtrades : I don't have to justify my trades to u, suck it
[2017-04-17 14:33:03] rapidtrades : SUCK IT
[2017-04-17 14:33:34] sleger : i didnt ask you to justify being down over 50% for months
[2017-04-17 14:33:49] sleger : way over that
[2017-04-17 14:34:05] sleger : just reminding others should they be tempted to listen to you
[2017-04-17 14:34:54] rapidtrades : i just said they should buy LTC
[2017-04-17 14:35:03] sleger : you did not mean it
[2017-04-17 14:35:05] rapidtrades : before segwit activates
[2017-04-17 14:35:11] frog : sleger: do you think segwit get 75% this period?
[2017-04-17 14:35:11] rapidtrades : i really mean it
[2017-04-17 14:35:37] sleger : frog: how would i know, everything is possible, miners play games, you just have to trade along
[2017-04-17 14:36:27] rapidtrades : tnx for that useless advice
[2017-04-17 14:36:41] rapidtrades : guess its better then sell ripple before it goes up 150%
[2017-04-17 14:37:09] Actualiteit : ltc gonna go above 1k in a week m80s
[2017-04-17 14:37:22] sleger : 24 hours later i made a fat profit @rapidtrades
[2017-04-17 14:37:27] sleger : that's called smart entry
[2017-04-17 14:37:35] sleger : i knew you wouldnt understand
[2017-04-17 14:38:11] rapidtrades : ur just taking on fat tailed risk
[2017-04-17 14:38:25] rapidtrades : same with ur okc arb that luckily worked
[2017-04-17 14:38:29] sleger : you dont get it, its ok, i didnt take any risk, i had limited loss
[2017-04-17 14:38:57] sleger : okc you still dont understand either, there is 10x (even 20x) leverage, that made the risk VERY small compared to the upside
[2017-04-17 14:39:16] rapidtrades : but u later admitted that ur leverage was <10/1
[2017-04-17 14:39:35] rapidtrades : there was +200 discount there at one point
[2017-04-17 14:39:40] sleger : yes i kno
[2017-04-17 14:39:47] sleger : who wouldnt take that deal....
[2017-04-17 14:39:56] rapidtrades : it would've liquidated everyone but the lowest leveraged ppl
[2017-04-17 14:40:08] sleger : you can reenter at 200$ discount
[2017-04-17 14:40:16] sleger : being liquidated doesnt cost you that much
[2017-04-17 14:40:37] rapidtrades : but then its not an arb is it
[2017-04-17 14:40:45] rapidtrades : cos u run the risk of price running away from u
[2017-04-17 14:40:47] sleger : it is not a pure arb
[2017-04-17 14:40:55] sleger : almost nothing is
[2017-04-17 14:41:00] rapidtrades : so again u take fat tailed risk without realizing it
[2017-04-17 14:41:15] sleger : i understand much better than you what im doing
[2017-04-17 14:41:28] sleger : you're just throwing names without knowing
[2017-04-17 14:41:37] sleger : tail risk is like selling a call
[2017-04-17 14:41:44] sleger : my loss was limited
[2017-04-17 14:41:53] sleger : i knew what it was
[2017-04-17 14:42:31] rapidtrades : no the risk is price liquidation u and then continuing up before u can re-enter
[2017-04-17 14:43:11] sleger : then i lose the collateral associated to that trade only, that is the worst case
[2017-04-17 14:43:13] rapidtrades : thats a fat tailed risk cos gains from arbs are small but if one leg goes against u, u lose big
[2017-04-17 14:43:27] rapidtrades : U SHORT WOULD BE STILL OPEN BRA
[2017-04-17 14:43:34] rapidtrades : cmon don't act daft
[2017-04-17 14:43:58] sleger : why couldnt i reenter
[2017-04-17 14:44:07] sleger : how much would i lose on my short
[2017-04-17 14:44:12] sleger : all that is known
[2017-04-17 14:44:33] sleger : tail risk is shorting an altcoin that can pump a lot with cross margin
[2017-04-17 14:44:36] rapidtrades : if its not on 100% of the time its not ab arb
[2017-04-17 14:44:38] sleger : shorting ltc for example
[2017-04-17 14:44:44] Yuppie : guys...there is a lot of good input in this trollbox in general. people have Different styles of trading, best feedback is PnL
[2017-04-17 14:44:52] sleger : ^ +1
[2017-04-17 14:45:06] sleger : I win
[2017-04-17 14:45:14] rapidtrades : and u run the risk of that 1% cases worst case scenario where u lose everything u made on 50 arbs
[2017-04-17 14:45:33] sleger : I made more on that arb than I could have lost
[2017-04-17 14:45:45] rapidtrades : you'll wake up one day with a huge loss and think it was 'bad luck'
[2017-04-17 14:45:59] rapidtrades : without realizing you took fat tailed risks all these years
[2017-04-17 14:46:13] sleger : I have lost on some trades, I did not think that, but overall i rarely lose
[2017-04-17 14:46:30] sleger : and given how many trades I do, that would already have happened more than once
[2017-04-17 14:46:53] rapidtrades : 'rarely lose' is a red flag for taking too much fat tailed risk
[2017-04-17 14:47:29] rapidtrades : guys if segwit activates wont LTC go to the moon?
[2017-04-17 14:47:48] rapidtrades : I don't see why more ppl are not buying this cheap
[2017-04-17 14:51:15] sleger : you seem to think that i just double down randomly on losing trades, this is not true. I made a few good back and forth on zec recently (which i didnt talk about because i dont talk about everything i do) but that last one was bad (yes 1 out of 5 call me a terrible trader) : ZECM17 -1 1.00 ZEC 0.053000 0.059290 yet i didnt double down, and will probably close it soon if i dont have any new signal
[2017-04-17 14:52:08] sleger : I enter based on short term signals, if it goes against and i have new signals i might enter more, but if it reverses then i would exit (regardless if at a loss or not)
[2017-04-17 14:53:11] CrazySteve : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 14:53:13] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 50.97 / 49.03 Daily : 46.65 / 53.35 Weekly : 50.52 / 49.48 Monthly : 48.75 / 51.25```
[2017-04-17 14:53:16] rapidtrades : are u sure that adding is profitable? have iu backtested that
[2017-04-17 14:53:47] rapidtrades : i haven't seen a system where that works tbh
[2017-04-17 14:53:49] Moonlighter : Nahhh why won't ETH move ><
[2017-04-17 14:53:56] Moonlighter : Bahhhh^
[2017-04-17 14:56:14] sleger : rapidtrades: yes, logic is the following, if you have a signal at t0 and another later at t1, should you not enter at t1 because you have entered at t0 ? You can see it as running another strategy in a separate subaccount that also trades 1, but only when the first has already a 1 position
[2017-04-17 14:57:22] sleger : usually you would increase your threshold value for that second one, and you wouldnt increase to infinity of course, maybe ~5 max, and have a limited loss per instrument
[2017-04-17 14:57:26] rapidtrades : I understand the logic just saying never saw adding work in practice
[2017-04-17 14:58:03] rapidtrades : if u have backtested that adding on signals t1, t2 etc works then its ok
[2017-04-17 14:58:30] rapidtrades : if u haven't then ur prolly taking on fat tailed risk again
[2017-04-17 14:58:33] sleger : it doesnt add but it brings the same pnl/volume
[2017-04-17 14:58:42] sleger : what it does though is smooth the pnl
[2017-04-17 14:59:19] sleger : because it gives more slightly uncorrelated trades, so you "average" (large numbers law) your expected return quicker
[2017-04-17 15:00:07] rapidtrades : they're not uncorrelated though...if the first one moves against it, tells you're wrong
[2017-04-17 15:00:09] sleger : its better to run 2 strategies, one that trades 1 at t1, one that trades 1 at t2 THAN just one that trades 2 at either time, not for expected pnl, but for sharpe
[2017-04-17 15:00:39] thomaskikansha : boom?
[2017-04-17 15:00:58] frog : last 100 blocks 64% signalling for degwir
[2017-04-17 15:01:00] bingbongfly : thomaskikansha: btc boom
[2017-04-17 15:01:06] rapidtrades : frog: shut up bro
[2017-04-17 15:01:19] Actualiteit : frog: degwir is awesome web 9384.dsfgh
[2017-04-17 15:01:30] Actualiteit : btc need degwir
[2017-04-17 15:01:43] frog : i'm handi-capable with typing
[2017-04-17 15:01:44] rapidtrades : temporary setback for LTC segwit
[2017-04-17 15:01:52] rapidtrades : variance only
[2017-04-17 15:01:55] rapidtrades : buuy the dip
[2017-04-17 15:02:02] bingbongfly : niice buys on btc
[2017-04-17 15:02:18] bingbongfly : i think we revisit 1300 on bfx in 24 hours
[2017-04-17 15:02:25] bingbongfly : capped!
[2017-04-17 15:02:34] CrazySteve : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 15:02:36] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 41.30 / 58.71 Daily : 46.25 / 53.75 Weekly : 50.49 / 49.51 Monthly : 48.71 / 51.29```
[2017-04-17 15:02:40] 123abc : nice 20 dollar pump
[2017-04-17 15:02:48] frog : yes it is fake by F2 to keep price low so wang chun can load up
[2017-04-17 15:03:08] Actualiteit : blegh im done for today lol
[2017-04-17 15:03:28] Actualiteit : before i start to actually lose money
[2017-04-17 15:03:56] InvalidUser : WOW
[2017-04-17 15:04:12] InvalidUser : X2
[2017-04-17 15:04:15] frog : not up on gdax
[2017-04-17 15:04:52] rapidtrades : /price
[2017-04-17 15:04:54] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1176.33 (1.03%) Bitfinex : 1218.00 (0.71%) The Woodchipper : 1202.47 (0.46%) itBit : 1178.00 (0.17%) Kraken : 1187.70 (0.12%) GDAX : 1177.98 (0.26%) SLQ : 1 hour, 10 mins```
[2017-04-17 15:06:06] thomaskikansha : fomo
[2017-04-17 15:07:24] l3f : Bitmex: consider removing bitfinex from the index
[2017-04-17 15:07:29] l3f : https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/200
[2017-04-17 15:07:40] l3f : No fiat deposits or withdrawals
[2017-04-17 15:07:59] bingbongfly : wooo! cho cho
[2017-04-17 15:08:15] sleger : +1 bitfinex is NOT an exchange at ALL anymore, needs to be removed ASAP
[2017-04-17 15:09:07] BitMEX_Greg : We are discussing
[2017-04-17 15:09:08] MikeHunt : i thought they just had limited withdrawals?
[2017-04-17 15:09:28] sleger : read the link above from i3f
[2017-04-17 15:09:31] Actualiteit : finex is a mess
[2017-04-17 15:09:36] MikeHunt : woah
[2017-04-17 15:09:40] frog : wow
[2017-04-17 15:09:43] MikeHunt : fingox
[2017-04-17 15:09:49] shillosopher : BFX just doesn't deal with USD but other currencies are ok?? or am I wrong?
[2017-04-17 15:09:53] sleger : price on finex will go up a lot
[2017-04-17 15:09:54] Actualiteit : Oh I'm ready for a fingox
[2017-04-17 15:09:59] sleger : short term will bump up price
[2017-04-17 15:10:17] bingbongfly : long term up always for 9 years straight
[2017-04-17 15:10:35] Shoba : sleger: yeah this is why the other day i was more worried about finex spiraling out of control than another exchange screwing things up, but yeah, might be nice to set a $150 or so cap on exchange price differences
[2017-04-17 15:10:45] Shoba : or 10-15%
[2017-04-17 15:10:47] Actualiteit : 150 m8
[2017-04-17 15:10:58] sleger : Shoba: just easier to remove top and bottom price
[2017-04-17 15:11:03] sleger : then average the others
[2017-04-17 15:11:16] Shoba : sleger: that would also work, though some might argue it's not a true price representative
[2017-04-17 15:11:43] Shoba : but better than the risk of one exchange going crazy, getting hacked and price going up hundreds/thousands or dropping to near 0, etc.
[2017-04-17 15:11:44] sleger : those can go and be wrong somewhere else
[2017-04-17 15:11:49] rapidtrades : /price
[2017-04-17 15:11:51] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1179.00 (0.23%) Bitfinex : 1218.50 (0.04%) The Woodchipper : 1205.00 (0.21%) itBit : 1178.00 (0.00%) Kraken : 1190.00 (0.19%) GDAX : 1178.98 (0.08%) SLQ : 6 mins```
[2017-04-17 15:11:55] l3f : sleger: yeah they are rekt
[2017-04-17 15:12:35] Shoba : how long ago did that bitfinex announcement come out? see it's today but no exact time
[2017-04-17 15:12:42] rapidtrades : that lawsuit to WF was prolly a ruse to get the public thrown off
[2017-04-17 15:12:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 50 @ 0.01047
[2017-04-17 15:13:01] rapidtrades : they did insider trading with the tokens
[2017-04-17 15:13:03] sleger : i dont understand people who left / put back money on finex after they issued illegal tokens, that's crazy
[2017-04-17 15:13:20] frog : ltc is cheaper now
[2017-04-17 15:13:26] Shoba : sleger: agreed
[2017-04-17 15:13:28] MikeHunt : perhaps fingox will deliver us to 2300 before it goes under
[2017-04-17 15:13:37] rapidtrades : they knew WF blocked them so they redeemed 90% of toekens with god knows what money
[2017-04-17 15:13:42] rapidtrades : prolly their users
[2017-04-17 15:13:47] sleger : MikeHunt: 2300 what though ? USDT ?
[2017-04-17 15:13:57] rapidtrades : they could be insolvent right now
[2017-04-17 15:14:06] MikeHunt : sleger: $
[2017-04-17 15:14:14] snowflake : ruh roh
[2017-04-17 15:14:19] sleger : although it's a possibility i take the bet 1:1 @rapidtrades (that they are not)
[2017-04-17 15:14:32] sleger : MikeHunt: finex does not have $, they only have finex tokens and USDT
[2017-04-17 15:14:39] Shoba : well, anything even near a 50% chance of insolvency isn't good
[2017-04-17 15:14:48] MikeHunt : sleger: you think finex would be dead before it reached 2300 ?
[2017-04-17 15:14:53] sleger : i think its good @Shoba
[2017-04-17 15:15:13] rapidtrades : token are redeemed now
[2017-04-17 15:15:18] sleger : MikeHunt: no im saying i dont think they are insolvent
[2017-04-17 15:15:20] snowflake : taking finex out of the index will have an instant effect on the swap price?
[2017-04-17 15:15:29] sleger : snowflake: yes of course
[2017-04-17 15:15:54] CrazySteve : /sentiment
[2017-04-17 15:15:56] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 21.00 / 79.00 Daily : 43.47 / 56.53 Weekly : 50.26 / 49.74 Monthly : 48.69 / 51.31```
[2017-04-17 15:16:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 262 @ 0.01044
[2017-04-17 15:16:23] rapidtrades : finex is run by screwups or criminals, in any case it shouldn't have been put back in
[2017-04-17 15:16:46] l3f : We kinda need finex there to balance out bitstamp being shit on though
[2017-04-17 15:16:49] l3f : otherwise index is super bearish
[2017-04-17 15:16:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 216000 @ 1203.3 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2017-04-17 15:16:57] l3f : wew
[2017-04-17 15:17:00] Shoba : rapidtrades: have to say you are likely right here, i had thought it should be put in before
[2017-04-17 15:17:05] bingbongfly : noICE rekt
[2017-04-17 15:17:10] rapidtrades : everything is bearish tho, even futures
[2017-04-17 15:17:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 10012 @ 1203.8
[2017-04-17 15:17:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 1204.1
[2017-04-17 15:17:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 1203.9
[2017-04-17 15:17:38] bingbongfly : /rekt
[2017-04-17 15:17:38] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` < 1 min ago: Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 216000 @ 1203.3 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 1 day, 16 hours, 14 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 184359 @ 1156.0 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 3 days, 8 hours, 45 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 220000 @ 1193.2 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ```
[2017-04-17 15:17:57] sleger : there are only a few tens of millions left on finex that need to buy to get out....
[2017-04-17 15:18:01] sleger : first one first served
[2017-04-17 15:18:02] bingbongfly : shortsqueeze in effect
[2017-04-17 15:18:07] sleger : buy now or buy higher later
[2017-04-17 15:18:07] bingbongfly : on bfx! we are going high
[2017-04-17 15:18:14] l3f : bitmex: keep bfx in the index
[2017-04-17 15:18:15] l3f : I'm long
[2017-04-17 15:18:28] Aarondaebak : why is it going up wtf
[2017-04-17 15:18:29] shillosopher : lol
[2017-04-17 15:18:35] l3f : Let the short squeeze play out to 1300 first then take them out
[2017-04-17 15:18:47] REKT : Sell your house, sell your wife, sell your kids, BUY BITCOIN!
[2017-04-17 15:18:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 3000 @ 1205.5
[2017-04-17 15:18:59] sleger : 40$ premium now is very cheap, it will cost more when everyone reads the memo and tries to get out
[2017-04-17 15:19:15] snowflake : BitMEX guys? will you give us some warning that finex will be removed?
[2017-04-17 15:19:18] bingbongfly : Still a discount on futures! get in while it's hot
[2017-04-17 15:19:37] l3f : sleger: XDDD
[2017-04-17 15:19:50] rapidtrades : f*ck em they were warned every time smone mentioned finex in this chat
[2017-04-17 15:19:51] sleger : since finex is not an exchange, people should assume now it is to be removed from the index anytime
[2017-04-17 15:19:52] InvalidUser : AND i was just about to go to bed
[2017-04-17 15:20:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 900 @ 0.01036
[2017-04-17 15:20:06] rapidtrades : play stupid games win stupid prizes
[2017-04-17 15:20:07] aethlios : sleger: what's up with finex again?
[2017-04-17 15:20:13] sleger : aethlios: no fiat deposit
[2017-04-17 15:20:18] l3f : aethlios: or withdrawal
[2017-04-17 15:20:22] sleger : aethlios: any currency
[2017-04-17 15:20:27] l3f : except crypt
[2017-04-17 15:20:27] shillosopher : finex not dealing with USD deposits or withdrawals
[2017-04-17 15:20:29] sleger : l3f: that part isnt new though
[2017-04-17 15:20:35] sleger : shillosopher: not just usd
[2017-04-17 15:20:39] l3f : sleger: well just to iterate it is still the case
[2017-04-17 15:21:14] sleger : 50$ premium almost, I think a 100-200$ premium would make more sense as of now
[2017-04-17 15:21:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 20000 @ 1208.2
[2017-04-17 15:21:30] sleger : 15% premium to save your money from finex is not too much
[2017-04-17 15:21:48] l3f : sleger: that's doommongering and you know it
[2017-04-17 15:21:54] l3f : they can still get out via alts
[2017-04-17 15:21:57] shillosopher : get out of finex b42l8?
[2017-04-17 15:22:07] sleger : l3f: alts also have premium there of course
[2017-04-17 15:22:15] emcor : omg guys
[2017-04-17 15:22:17] sleger : good luck to buy 30m$ worth of alts
[2017-04-17 15:22:21] emcor : bitfinex stops all fiat transfers
[2017-04-17 15:22:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2200 @ 1209.5
[2017-04-17 15:22:31] emcor : https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitfinex-stops-accepting-fiat-deposits/
[2017-04-17 15:22:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 9750 @ 1210.7
[2017-04-17 15:22:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 54735 @ 1211.4 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-04-17 15:23:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 4 @ 1213.2 :punch: :whale:
[2017-04-17 15:23:03] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 55000 @ 1213.2 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-04-17 15:23:04] MikeHunt : woah
[2017-04-17 15:23:09] Actualiteit : fucking bullshit
[2017-04-17 15:23:10] blaat : holy fuck
[2017-04-17 15:23:12] rapidtrades : yep time to short bitcoin again
[2017-04-17 15:23:17] blaat : MtGox pump
[2017-04-17 15:23:22] l3f : rapidtrades: enjoy negative funding
[2017-04-17 15:23:23] robit : snowflake: wtf? If they remove it prior to the current contract expiring thats bullshit
[2017-04-17 15:23:28] rapidtrades : @bitmex remove now
[2017-04-17 15:23:34] rapidtrades : @bitmex remove finex
[2017-04-17 15:23:36] sleger : robit: of course not, they are no longer an exchange
[2017-04-17 15:23:40] MikeHunt : $23m bids on finex, this could go supa nova
[2017-04-17 15:23:47] blaat : my god
[2017-04-17 15:23:55] snowflake : robit: when does the contract expire???
[2017-04-17 15:23:58] rapidtrades : /price
[2017-04-17 15:24:01] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1183.00 (0.34%) Bitfinex : 1239.00 (1.68%) The Woodchipper : 1218.59 (1.13%) itBit : 1185.00 (0.59%) Kraken : 1200.20 (0.86%) GDAX : 1181.75 (0.23%) SLQ : 12 mins```
[2017-04-17 15:24:15] l3f : 1239 bfx :)))))))
[2017-04-17 15:24:16] l3f : LMAO
[2017-04-17 15:24:24] stf28 : 1241
[2017-04-17 15:24:29] BitMEX_John : rapidtrades: we will be making an announcement shortly
[2017-04-17 15:24:30] Yuppie : Boy I shorted just before the liftoff
[2017-04-17 15:24:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 2221 @ 1206.0
[2017-04-17 15:24:40] MikeHunt : Yuppie: ^
[2017-04-17 15:24:42] rapidtrades : BitMEX_John: tnx john
[2017-04-17 15:24:42] Yuppie : /price
[2017-04-17 15:24:43] Poo : Beautiful
[2017-04-17 15:24:45] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1183.49 (0.04%) Bitfinex : 1241.30 (0.19%) The Woodchipper : 1221.00 (0.20%) itBit : 1185.00 (0.00%) Kraken : 1200.00 (-0.02%) GDAX : 1181.75 (0.00%) SLQ : < 1 min```
[2017-04-17 15:24:46] sleger : BitMEX_John: ok, any ETA ?
[2017-04-17 15:24:47] l3f : BitMEX_John: well it better not rekt my longs
[2017-04-17 15:24:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 90671 @ 1215.5 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-04-17 15:24:50] sleger : how short is shortly ?
[2017-04-17 15:24:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 27612 @ 1216.3
[2017-04-17 15:24:57] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 423 @ 1215.8
[2017-04-17 15:25:02] blaat : exit pump
[2017-04-17 15:25:09] BitMEX_John : sleger: we are working on it now
[2017-04-17 15:25:10] rapidtrades : just short amn and dont ask qs
[2017-04-17 15:25:29] sleger : i bet they will remove it
[2017-04-17 15:25:34] InvalidUser : Rekt!
[2017-04-17 15:25:34] Actualiteit : blaat: my thoughts
[2017-04-17 15:25:53] rapidtrades : no shit @sleger
[2017-04-17 15:25:57] InvalidUser : The wall on Bitstamp is gone
[2017-04-17 15:26:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 80 @ 0.002184
[2017-04-17 15:26:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 3 @ 0.002170
[2017-04-17 15:26:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1300 @ 1217.3
[2017-04-17 15:26:48] MikeHunt : even if they remove it, price still going up