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<< >> English 中文 Русский 한국어 日本語 Español Français [2017-04-09 06:04:47] alejandromasari : it hit 1500 xbth17 [2017-04-09 06:04:52] Apocalyptic : you guys see much mooning ahead [2017-04-09 06:05:09] mark121 : im talkin real coin pricing [2017-04-09 06:05:11] alejandromasari : lots we are going to meet Musk on Mars [2017-04-09 06:05:31] mark121 : the chart prescribed that target Apocalyptic [2017-04-09 06:05:55] mark121 : however macroeconomic factors certainly support it [2017-04-09 06:06:10] mark121 : in June the markets wil crash [2017-04-09 06:06:53] alejandromasari : marine lepen elections will move gold and bitchcoins. [2017-04-09 06:06:55] mark121 : primary bullmark in equities is long overdue [2017-04-09 06:07:07] mark121 : for a dose of reality [2017-04-09 06:07:35] Apocalyptic : mark121: I'm so waiting for that 40% S&P drop [2017-04-09 06:07:38] Apocalyptic : long overdue indeed [2017-04-09 06:08:10] Apocalyptic : and I say 40 because I'm not greedy [2017-04-09 06:08:14] mark121 : definitely... im amassing quite a position [2017-04-09 06:08:28] mark121 : in long dated put options [2017-04-09 06:08:41] mark121 : so is my work [2017-04-09 06:08:45] Apocalyptic : why not short ES ? don't want unlimited risk ? [2017-04-09 06:09:08] mark121 : futures? work is [2017-04-09 06:09:23] Apocalyptic : yes, ES are spx futures [2017-04-09 06:09:37] mark121 : .. lol i kno i was makin sure u meant that [2017-04-09 06:09:40] mark121 : !!! [2017-04-09 06:09:40] mark121 : :) [2017-04-09 06:10:26] mark121 : the fact that u r in crypto and seem to kno equities markets alrdy is rare [2017-04-09 06:10:27] aethlios : mark121: i am interested in buying (after a stock market bear market) an etf called ROBO, which invests in robotics related companies. i plan to load the boat. Do you think robotics are a strong long tern play?? [2017-04-09 06:11:52] Apocalyptic : aethlios: the iShares one or ETFSecurities ? [2017-04-09 06:11:56] mark121 : probably but i wud suggest targeting the industry leaders more tactically [2017-04-09 06:12:41] mark121 : Apocalyptic: do u know timerdigest? [2017-04-09 06:12:52] aethlios : Apocalyptic: http://www.etf.com/ROBO [2017-04-09 06:13:09] mark121 : robo is the ticker [2017-04-09 06:13:16] mark121 : is its the one wit that ticker [2017-04-09 06:13:17] mark121 : lol [2017-04-09 06:13:20] mark121 : so its* [2017-04-09 06:13:33] Apocalyptic : mark121: nope, what is it ? [2017-04-09 06:14:28] aethlios : i prefer th eetf, not specific stocks, let the etf manager to decide which companies and %, they can make better analysis. [2017-04-09 06:14:51] mark121 : one of the only useful publications for inviduals imo [2017-04-09 06:14:57] mark121 : also not very costly [2017-04-09 06:15:35] aethlios : Apocalyptic: i see the sector the new big thing, maybe like blockchain tech. in 20 years each house will have a robo housewife. [2017-04-09 06:15:39] Apocalyptic : aethlios: I've seen better expense ratio [2017-04-09 06:15:42] mark121 : some timers dont update it as often as id like but its pretty much a summary ofwhat the best timers in world think [2017-04-09 06:15:52] mark121 : is goin gto happen across the major asset classes [2017-04-09 06:16:24] mark121 : most beefy in equities tho [2017-04-09 06:16:44] Apocalyptic : aethlios: btw if you're into etfs https://www.justetf.com is nice [2017-04-09 06:17:17] Apocalyptic : you can easily compare stuff and I find the presentation better than etf.com [2017-04-09 06:17:32] mark121 : Apocalyptic: and to answer ur Q, i think option are riskier in reality [2017-04-09 06:17:45] mark121 : as yes s&p could go to a billion [2017-04-09 06:17:53] mark121 : but ud be a moron to hold ur short lol [2017-04-09 06:17:56] Apocalyptic : mark121: well with options you pay for the time value [2017-04-09 06:19:12] mark121 : yes time and volaility [2017-04-09 06:20:07] mark121 : but options can go to 0 value [2017-04-09 06:20:30] mark121 : but i mean in both cases u need risk mgmt [2017-04-09 06:20:41] mark121 : so id say they are similar in nature [2017-04-09 06:21:08] mark121 : i guess my reasoning is two fold [2017-04-09 06:21:12] Apocalyptic : the big diff is unlimited/limited downside [2017-04-09 06:21:28] Apocalyptic : but yeah if nothing happens you're kinda stuck with worthless options [2017-04-09 06:21:32] mark121 : yes ofc, theoretically [2017-04-09 06:21:43] Apocalyptic : whereas you yould breakeven with your future short [2017-04-09 06:23:26] mark121 : im just not a futures guy so i feel comfortable with option puts [2017-04-09 06:23:50] mark121 : i trade futures only when i got a pro to trade with [2017-04-09 06:24:07] mark121 : like one of the top ranked timers from that newsletter (fari) [2017-04-09 06:24:22] Apocalyptic : I prefer being on the other side of the trade with options [2017-04-09 06:24:29] Apocalyptic : that is writing them :) [2017-04-09 06:24:41] mark121 : naked or covered? [2017-04-09 06:25:06] Apocalyptic : usually covered [2017-04-09 06:25:33] mark121 : its an excelent way to lower ur costs of entry [2017-04-09 06:25:55] mark121 : any fav tickers for writing? [2017-04-09 06:26:02] veritas : /sentiment [2017-04-09 06:26:04] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 27.85 / 72.15 Daily : 51.05 / 48.95 Weekly : 45.22 / 54.78 Monthly : 50.73 / 49.27``` [2017-04-09 06:27:08] Apocalyptic : mark121: my fav strategy is writing puts on single stocks I wouldn't mind buying [2017-04-09 06:27:58] Apocalyptic : nice income if by chance I'm being assigned then I'm glad, so it's income and a win-win situation [2017-04-09 06:28:11] Apocalyptic : *and if [2017-04-09 06:29:39] mark121 : i kno who a few guys who do the same [2017-04-09 06:29:49] mark121 : they rarely buy any other way lol [2017-04-09 06:30:03] mark121 : good strat [2017-04-09 06:30:15] Apocalyptic : mark121: once you know the trick you would be stupid not to :) [2017-04-09 06:30:22] Apocalyptic : unless you immediately must have it [2017-04-09 06:32:34] mark121 : best time is start of anew bullmkt [2017-04-09 06:33:04] Apocalyptic : for sure [2017-04-09 06:33:05] mark121 : u can make a killing all the way up [2017-04-09 06:33:16] Apocalyptic : that's the plan [2017-04-09 06:33:47] mark121 : i dont think naked puts or calls shud be allowed [2017-04-09 06:34:07] level2 : is better sell call of SPY than buy puts [2017-04-09 06:34:27] Apocalyptic : level2: if you sell calls and it moons you're so rekt [2017-04-09 06:34:40] mark121 : why is it better [2017-04-09 06:34:52] mark121 : if u time it [2017-04-09 06:34:52] level2 : all the buyer of options loss money [2017-04-09 06:35:22] Apocalyptic : if it never reaches the strike yes, but how can't you know ? [2017-04-09 06:35:31] Apocalyptic : *can [2017-04-09 06:35:51] mark121 : u mean in general? \ [2017-04-09 06:35:55] mark121 : (level2) [2017-04-09 06:36:09] mark121 : mr buffet seems to think so [2017-04-09 06:36:21] mark121 : a tool for the rich to get richer and retail to get smoked [2017-04-09 06:36:31] Apocalyptic : selling calls is almost equivalent to shorting the underlying with the associated leverage, the only diff is you pocket the time value [2017-04-09 06:36:42] Apocalyptic : but liquidity will be far worse if you need to get out [2017-04-09 06:36:44] level2 : see the data from CBOE ,80% of options when come the date close to 0 [2017-04-09 06:37:03] mark121 : that dusnt answer our question [2017-04-09 06:37:27] mark121 : or mine :p [2017-04-09 06:37:30] level2 : is better sell futures than buy puts [2017-04-09 06:37:59] mark121 : im aware that its preferred [2017-04-09 06:38:07] mark121 : but give ur reasoning [2017-04-09 06:39:17] level2 : is better futures for :liquid ,cheap comision,dont pay time decay and volatilitiy [2017-04-09 06:39:35] mark121 : im not buying 1 option at a time lol [2017-04-09 06:39:58] mark121 : liquidity? [2017-04-09 06:40:03] level2 : yes [2017-04-09 06:40:08] mark121 : SPY options are extremely liquid [2017-04-09 06:40:19] Apocalyptic : mark121: more so than SPY itself ? [2017-04-09 06:40:41] level2 : and the spread for the bid and ask? [2017-04-09 06:40:50] mark121 : depends on the market conditions [2017-04-09 06:40:56] Apocalyptic : he has a point, options are generally less liquid than the underlying [2017-04-09 06:41:04] mark121 : generally [2017-04-09 06:41:05] mark121 : yes [2017-04-09 06:41:20] mark121 : SPY options are an exception [2017-04-09 06:41:36] level2 : you can save 30% of the money if you use futures [2017-04-09 06:41:56] mark121 : uh as a general rule? [2017-04-09 06:41:57] mark121 : lol [2017-04-09 06:42:19] Apocalyptic : a whopping 30% [2017-04-09 06:42:26] mark121 : lol [2017-04-09 06:42:27] Apocalyptic : only available today [2017-04-09 06:42:28] mark121 : hahah [2017-04-09 06:43:07] level2 : how much do you buy of puts? each day you loss 100 usd of time decay [2017-04-09 06:43:21] mark121 : WHAT [2017-04-09 06:43:34] mark121 : yes u lose some time value but volatility can make up for it [2017-04-09 06:43:52] mark121 : but the pt is [2017-04-09 06:44:07] level2 : see vix this is low [2017-04-09 06:44:10] mark121 : im willin to pay the timevalue to make the profit multiplier [2017-04-09 06:44:17] mark121 : yes, but when mkts crash [2017-04-09 06:44:19] Apocalyptic : level2: it depends on theta [2017-04-09 06:44:57] Apocalyptic : why are you throwing abritrary numbers around ? [2017-04-09 06:45:08] level2 : you have better odd to win shorting the futures that buy put [2017-04-09 06:45:35] Apocalyptic : level2: it's not about "odds", it's about risk management [2017-04-09 06:45:48] mark121 : so better odds, 30% loss reduction and no 100usd per day loss timevalue [2017-04-09 06:46:00] mark121 : why are options even around anymore [2017-04-09 06:46:12] level2 : do you know what day the SPY will fall? [2017-04-09 06:46:33] mark121 : do i need to? [2017-04-09 06:46:41] level2 : buy puts is like gift money to the street [2017-04-09 06:47:16] mark121 : im perfectly happy to discuss but again, im asking u why [2017-04-09 06:47:56] level2 : why options exist? [2017-04-09 06:48:18] mark121 : lol i was being sarcastic -- no why am i gifting money to street [2017-04-09 06:48:28] mark121 : aka the original statement u made [2017-04-09 06:49:47] level2 : if you buy puts for long term this fall to 0 [2017-04-09 06:50:33] mark121 : ok so, i buy a put 3 months ahead of when i expect my move to occur... [2017-04-09 06:50:46] mark121 : im not buying puts that expire a week after that [2017-04-09 06:51:00] level2 : maybe you think that this time is diferent the data show this [2017-04-09 06:51:30] mark121 : (i know the answers, i work in equities, im around these discussions weekly) [2017-04-09 06:51:40] mark121 : im jus interested to hear ur reasoning [2017-04-09 06:52:04] mark121 : and il throw this out too [2017-04-09 06:53:37] mark121 : when right with options, the profit per $ is nutty [2017-04-09 06:53:52] level2 : i work too in the markets ,so do you make money with the buy of puts? [2017-04-09 06:54:13] plappa : does anyone know if segwit doens't happen but bu doesn't happen either than the blocks option wins in that scenario? [2017-04-09 06:54:21] mark121 : what do you do [2017-04-09 06:54:47] mark121 : (not in a negative way lol) just curious [2017-04-09 06:54:55] mark121 : what country [2017-04-09 06:55:00] mark121 : aswell [2017-04-09 06:56:05] level2 : i look for asset that are cheap to buy and expe to short [2017-04-09 06:59:17] mark121 : jus to b clear [2017-04-09 06:59:50] mark121 : this is a specific ttrade [2017-04-09 07:00:34] mark121 : daytrading id say its nearly impossible to say options are better [2017-04-09 07:02:26] mark121 : but as i cant spend much more time on this atm - if im planning to sell with 80% of the time b4 expirayr remaining, that loss is meaningless [2017-04-09 07:04:14] level2 : so you are very confident that the SPY will fall to buy puts ? [2017-04-09 07:05:15] mark121 : yes [2017-04-09 07:05:32] mark121 : not next wee [2017-04-09 07:05:35] mark121 : June [2017-04-09 07:05:47] level2 : why will fall the SPY? [2017-04-09 07:05:48] Apocalyptic : two weeks (tm) [2017-04-09 07:06:03] mark121 : why? [2017-04-09 07:06:14] mark121 : thats a loaded question [2017-04-09 07:06:55] mark121 : the real Q [2017-04-09 07:07:29] mark121 : why wouldnt it when this bull market in human age is like 117 [2017-04-09 07:07:52] level2 : what do you see that is clear that will fall? [2017-04-09 07:08:00] arbitrage101 : any finex investor here? [2017-04-09 07:08:08] mark121 : debt ceiling is a big one [2017-04-09 07:08:16] arbitrage101 : they offer free trading for investor? [2017-04-09 07:09:23] level2 : maybe this time you are right and this fall but how many time do you buy puts ? [2017-04-09 07:10:01] mark121 : that wil be my only material trade in options this year [2017-04-09 07:10:10] mark121 : puts anyhow [2017-04-09 07:10:39] mark121 : at this point calls as well [2017-04-09 07:11:32] mark121 : i heavily subscribe to the sentiment that u only need 2 or 3 proper trades per year [2017-04-09 07:11:44] level2 : i think that is is very low the odds to know when the SPY will fall [2017-04-09 07:12:01] mark121 : if i didnt have insider information [2017-04-09 07:12:09] mark121 : id be less confident [2017-04-09 07:12:18] mark121 : and i say insider lightly [2017-04-09 07:12:29] mark121 : but inside hte industry [2017-04-09 07:13:21] level2 : so you have inside information that the SPY will fall ? [2017-04-09 07:13:46] Apocalyptic : level2: you heard it first here [2017-04-09 07:13:51] mark121 : haha [2017-04-09 07:13:58] Apocalyptic : now you can't trade because it would be insider trading as well [2017-04-09 07:14:03] Apocalyptic : no profits for you! [2017-04-09 07:14:09] mark121 : if it wasnt legal insider information or illegal, i wudnt share it [2017-04-09 07:14:18] mark121 : but this is tlaked about quite openly [2017-04-09 07:14:25] level2 : i think that in the SPY dont is real the inside information [2017-04-09 07:14:28] mark121 : and ive heard it in media even [2017-04-09 07:14:43] Apocalyptic : level2: you're russian by any chance ? [2017-04-09 07:15:06] mark121 : rather, if it was** [2017-04-09 07:15:21] mark121 : otherwise id be liable duh [2017-04-09 07:15:23] level2 : you can have inside information for an stock but for 500 ? for all the market? [2017-04-09 07:15:42] mark121 : maybe i shudnt have used the word if englis is ur 2nd language [2017-04-09 07:15:48] mark121 : my apologies [2017-04-09 07:16:07] Apocalyptic : his phrasing gave it away [2017-04-09 07:16:14] mark121 : ^^ [2017-04-09 07:16:58] level2 : you can not have inside information of the SPY [2017-04-09 07:17:14] mark121 : ugh [2017-04-09 07:18:06] mark121 : if im sharing in online chat with randoms, u can be sure that it would never be legally definable insider information [2017-04-09 07:18:33] level2 : what is the source?some guy of GS? [2017-04-09 07:18:43] level2 : that is not inside information [2017-04-09 07:18:47] mark121 : Apocalyptic: heeeelp me lol [2017-04-09 07:19:04] Apocalyptic : mark121: this is to entertaining for me to intervene [2017-04-09 07:19:07] Apocalyptic : *too [2017-04-09 07:19:12] mark121 : lol! [2017-04-09 07:20:15] mark121 : level2: What i said before is, if i didnt work in the industry (if i wasnt inside the industry) i would be less sure of myself [2017-04-09 07:21:02] mark121 : that im on good terms with the ceo of SPY .. hes related to the ceo of bitcoin [2017-04-09 07:21:04] level2 : how many millions of puts do you buy? [2017-04-09 07:21:24] mark121 : is secondary :P [2017-04-09 07:21:56] mark121 : all i can tell u is what im doing [2017-04-09 07:22:16] mark121 : outside of a vague inference [2017-04-09 07:22:32] level2 : maybe you can sell this info to some fund [2017-04-09 07:23:43] mark121 : let me finish by saying June is what i hear [2017-04-09 07:23:55] mark121 : am I buying puts that expire in july? no [2017-04-09 07:27:25] level2 : do you have info of CNY? [2017-04-09 07:28:15] level2 : this will loss value? [2017-04-09 07:31:05] mark121 : on the amex? [2017-04-09 07:31:53] mark121 : seems to be in a bullish phase atm [2017-04-09 07:32:19] mark121 : but i dont deal in forex [2017-04-09 07:32:56] mark121 : so prob not best guy to ask [2017-04-09 07:34:12] mark121 : lots of buying in the past month [2017-04-09 07:36:11] mark121 : where u from? [2017-04-09 07:38:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 940 @ 0.00880 [2017-04-09 07:39:06] level2 : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers [2017-04-09 07:40:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 300 @ 0.00876 [2017-04-09 07:43:52] Apocalyptic : level2: you know you can say that you don't want anyone to know you're from Russia, it's ok. Not answering questions is regarded as rude [2017-04-09 07:44:17] level2 : i am from moon [2017-04-09 07:44:53] level2 : why russia? [2017-04-09 07:45:17] Apocalyptic : your way of phrasing [2017-04-09 07:45:30] Apocalyptic : anyone who knows/speak russian can recognize it [2017-04-09 07:45:47] Apocalyptic : or your native language is very close to it [2017-04-09 07:45:56] level2 : no [2017-04-09 07:46:49] Apocalyptic : sure, moon is more likely [2017-04-09 07:49:08] mark121 : i like russians [2017-04-09 07:49:33] Apocalyptic : mark121: they are smart people generally [2017-04-09 07:49:35] mark121 : plus i can understand usually some [2017-04-09 07:50:15] Apocalyptic : at least those I know [2017-04-09 07:50:26] mark121 : heh ya they are pretty analytical by nature [2017-04-09 07:51:06] level2 : yes are smart [2017-04-09 07:51:08] mark121 : my background is yugoslavian [2017-04-09 07:51:43] thomaskikansha : negative funding rate for days...yet price not going down [2017-04-09 07:51:46] Apocalyptic : see, again [2017-04-09 07:52:04] mark121 : i assumed hes form china [2017-04-09 07:52:48] Apocalyptic : mark121: why ? does chinese have similar phrase structures ? [2017-04-09 07:53:01] Apocalyptic : I don't know a single bit of chinese [2017-04-09 07:53:05] mark121 : cus he ask about rem/usd [2017-04-09 07:53:22] mark121 : ETN [2017-04-09 07:53:25] Dnavid : Are whales pumping btc to 1220-1250? Or this time's different? [2017-04-09 07:53:27] Apocalyptic : everybody here watches USD/CNY [2017-04-09 07:54:12] level2 : i am not from china [2017-04-09 07:54:33] mark121 : i dont [2017-04-09 07:54:45] mark121 : lol [2017-04-09 07:54:54] mark121 : but fair enuf, i just said i assumed [2017-04-09 07:55:01] mark121 : i wudnt put $ on it :p [2017-04-09 07:55:15] mark121 : ok so where are u from? [2017-04-09 07:55:23] Dnavid : /price [2017-04-09 07:55:25] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1184.50 (0.97%) Bitfinex : 1190.10 (1.20%) The Woodchipper : 1188.49 (1.21%) itBit : 1184.47 (0.92%) Kraken : 1183.83 (0.67%) GDAX : 1185.89 (0.53%) SLQ : 12 hours, 35 mins``` [2017-04-09 07:55:28] Apocalyptic : mark121: pre-PBOC it was assumed to be strongly correlated with BTC/USD [2017-04-09 07:55:38] mark121 : silly [2017-04-09 07:55:41] Apocalyptic : good old rapid used to post the new rate everyday [2017-04-09 07:56:08] level2 : where is rapid? [2017-04-09 07:56:56] mark121 : not to be a poohea but up until pboc roughly, btc was as easy to predict as anything i ever traded [2017-04-09 07:57:00] Apocalyptic : healing his funding wounds [2017-04-09 07:57:27] Apocalyptic : level2: don't worry we won't tell Putin you're here trading BTC [2017-04-09 07:57:29] mark121 : and thus any extra info was totally unnecessary, TA told the entire picture [2017-04-09 07:57:58] mark121 : level2: are u really going to not tell us [2017-04-09 07:59:26] jetsetta : short ltc [2017-04-09 07:59:37] mark121 : as im usually asked for investment advice from friends, fam and people i meeet i can tell u I very rarely feel so strongly about something to actually tell them where to put their money [2017-04-09 08:00:04] mark121 : or my lips are sealed and i cannot say (work) [2017-04-09 08:00:17] mark121 : but i told every1 to buy btc at 600 [2017-04-09 08:00:32] level2 : anyone buy btc ? [2017-04-09 08:01:18] mark121 : only a few , but every single one wished they did come december lol [2017-04-09 08:01:46] mark121 : and now they wud likely buy anything if i told them to lol [2017-04-09 08:05:10] mark121 : level2: if u arent russian or chinese you are from a former USSR country or a country bordering china [2017-04-09 08:06:34] mark121 : my eth long is holding well [2017-04-09 08:08:29] Apocalyptic : mark121: I'm more interested in why he doesn't want to say, level2 is just a nick after all [2017-04-09 08:09:21] KingTuna : This market a little dull, not much action for a whole 18 hours [2017-04-09 08:09:59] KingTuna : I did put in a cheeky little LTC short, but that's about it [2017-04-09 08:10:38] mark121 : u can say that again [2017-04-09 08:10:44] mark121 : Apocalyptic: same [2017-04-09 08:12:13] mark121 : closed eth [2017-04-09 08:12:59] mark121 : CLAM is the new btc [2017-04-09 08:25:02] mark121 : btc raly? [2017-04-09 08:25:35] mark121 : or dive , u decide. [2017-04-09 08:26:08] mark121 : seems to be at local resistance [2017-04-09 08:29:46] Dnavid : mark121: short margin almost highest since etf anyhow [2017-04-09 08:30:10] Apocalyptic : Dnavid: on finex ? [2017-04-09 08:31:20] Apocalyptic : mark121: you're familiar with Shkreli ? [2017-04-09 08:32:29] mark121 : ppl seem to be buying on summation chart [2017-04-09 08:32:34] mark121 : what bout him [2017-04-09 08:33:11] Apocalyptic : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/martin-shkreli-s-former-lawyer-threatens-to-blow-the-whistle [2017-04-09 08:33:16] Apocalyptic : the plot thickens [2017-04-09 08:33:38] Apocalyptic : "Prosecutors said he used $11 million of Retrophin Inc.’s assets to pay off investors who lost money in hedge funds he ran" best part [2017-04-09 08:40:28] rapidtrades : 369/576 (64.06%) blocks signaling in the past 24 hours! [2017-04-09 08:40:35] rapidtrades : LTC segdead [2017-04-09 08:41:24] mark121 : ya the whole thing is pretty interestin [2017-04-09 08:42:23] mark121 : hes no worse than others just brough t to much attention to himself [2017-04-09 08:44:26] mark121 : which means hes still awful lol [2017-04-09 08:45:06] mark121 : however thats the way shit works on wall st [2017-04-09 08:45:49] mark121 : least he didnt start with big bucks [2017-04-09 08:46:58] mark121 : hes prob screwed tho , especially if the court allows the ex lawyers testiomy [2017-04-09 08:47:01] Dnavid : Apocalyptic: everywhere [2017-04-09 08:47:02] mark121 : testimony* [2017-04-09 08:48:10] arbitrage101 : according to my super duper TA analysis, ltc will hit 50 soon [2017-04-09 08:49:07] rapidtrades : arb ur a POS [2017-04-09 08:49:12] Apocalyptic : arbitrage101: such moon you're predicting [2017-04-09 08:49:31] Apocalyptic : mark121: no doubt [2017-04-09 08:49:45] arbitrage101 : Apocalyptic: 50 is not moon [2017-04-09 08:49:58] arbitrage101 : just all time high [2017-04-09 08:50:17] arbitrage101 : which is likely seeing many lame coins make all time high [2017-04-09 08:50:34] arbitrage101 : moon is when ltc hit 500 [2017-04-09 08:50:39] rapidtrades : solid analysis [2017-04-09 08:50:46] arbitrage101 : of course [2017-04-09 08:51:57] mark121 : LTC looks like its contemplating suicide [2017-04-09 08:52:26] mark121 : its even started only wearing black and has alot of mascara on [2017-04-09 08:52:54] mark121 : NIN - Hurt on repeat. [2017-04-09 08:54:32] mark121 : This does not constitute trading advice. [2017-04-09 08:56:41] Kalman : /joke [2017-04-09 08:56:42] trollbot : ``` My girlfriend yelled at me today saying, "You weren't even listening just now, were you?!" I thought, "Man, what a weird way to start a conversation." ``` [2017-04-09 08:56:59] rapidtrades : LTC is full of hot alt money right now, they will all bail soon [2017-04-09 08:57:08] rapidtrades : these alt pumps don't last very long [2017-04-09 08:57:57] rapidtrades : most prolly got in above 8, after that huge 1 day jump...cos they're slow and dumb as f*ck [2017-04-09 08:58:07] mark121 : it cud moon tho [2017-04-09 08:58:10] rapidtrades : so that seems like min target [2017-04-09 08:58:13] mark121 : its at a turning ot [2017-04-09 08:58:13] mark121 : pt [2017-04-09 08:58:18] rapidtrades : holding out for 6 tho [2017-04-09 08:58:40] Apocalyptic : arbitrage101: +400% is moon to me [2017-04-09 08:59:43] mark121 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/492Xw754/ [2017-04-09 08:59:56] micmix : arbitrage101: 25bln LTC marketcap? and why not, snapchat IPO was in that range, and litecoin is definitely more popular and more useful, right? [2017-04-09 09:00:06] mark121 : lolol [2017-04-09 09:00:18] Apocalyptic : micmix: nice one [2017-04-09 09:00:23] mark121 : i just dont trust it [2017-04-09 09:00:34] mark121 : seems to be all pump and no substance [2017-04-09 09:00:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 40 @ 0.00870 [2017-04-09 09:00:54] mark121 : but it made me a pretty penny fro, .75 [2017-04-09 09:00:59] mark121 : cant complain [2017-04-09 09:01:13] rapidtrades : they realize segwit wont pass so now they're trying to push USAF or whatever that shit's called [2017-04-09 09:01:15] mark121 : 0075* [2017-04-09 09:01:21] rapidtrades : basically forcing segwit with 51% [2017-04-09 09:01:45] rapidtrades : this could push f2pool out cos they're already on the fence [2017-04-09 09:02:19] rapidtrades : don't think CL will do it but pumpers are getting antsy and want segwit NOW [2017-04-09 09:02:41] rapidtrades : so they can cash in and move to another pump [2017-04-09 09:04:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 6 @ 0.00869 [2017-04-09 09:05:07] rapidtrades : micmix: where are u hedging ur bitcoin right now? [2017-04-09 09:05:23] mark121 : michelle rodriguez is the most unattractive woman who apparently is sexy [2017-04-09 09:05:58] mark121 : id still fuck her but i wudnt let her sit on my face [2017-04-09 09:06:37] mark121 : butch+ [2017-04-09 09:08:07] mark121 : i digress. [2017-04-09 09:08:33] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/64asih/ltc1btc_and_antpool_increasing_hashrate_to_block/ [2017-04-09 09:09:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 100 @ 0.00853 [2017-04-09 09:11:03] rapidtrades : its gonna lose $10 again [2017-04-09 09:11:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 50 @ 0.00852 [2017-04-09 09:12:35] arbitrage101 : micmix: snapchat is just a simple photo and text app [2017-04-09 09:12:54] arbitrage101 : ltc on the other hand, is less than 1/10 of btc [2017-04-09 09:13:15] arbitrage101 : if btc can worth 1184, dont see why ltc cant worth 50 [2017-04-09 09:13:20] rapidtrades : another solid analysis arb101 [2017-04-09 09:14:00] arbitrage101 : thank you, rapid [2017-04-09 09:14:14] rapidtrades : I'm surprised you can put on ur pants in the morning with your level of IQ [2017-04-09 09:14:29] arbitrage101 : i am not wearing any pant now [2017-04-09 09:14:52] rapidtrades : ofc not [2017-04-09 09:16:07] Yuppie : arbitrage101: +1 [2017-04-09 09:18:17] Yuppie : Actually, LTC has 2.5min per block, BTC 10min so it should be 1/4th of BTC, right? [2017-04-09 09:18:39] arbitrage101 : absuletely [2017-04-09 09:19:01] Rado : Lol rapidtrades [2017-04-09 09:20:00] rapidtrades : also market ignored this tweet by Jihan : We are preparing a UAHF to the market. We will have two kinds of Bitcoin if UASF is activated. Big block vs 1MB block. Let us trade. [2017-04-09 09:20:23] rapidtrades : this fork shit aint over [2017-04-09 09:21:39] arbitrage101 : can you translate it into plain engrish? [2017-04-09 09:28:14] mark121 : /sentiment [2017-04-09 09:28:16] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 56.96 / 43.04 Daily : 51.62 / 48.38 Weekly : 45.28 / 54.73 Monthly : 50.71 / 49.29``` [2017-04-09 09:30:31] laisee : Winter fork is coming @arbitrage101 [2017-04-09 09:32:06] mark121 : oct1st [2017-04-09 09:36:10] laisee : yup. Wildings will take over the Iron Throne. [2017-04-09 09:40:51] rapidtrades : arbitrage101: Chinamen make BTC go BOOM [2017-04-09 09:49:05] Dnavid : Come on I need some sense of purpose, I'm here to short BTC already [2017-04-09 09:50:43] Yuppie : ZEC again [2017-04-09 09:53:55] mark121 : imagine the squezze [2017-04-09 09:54:36] mark121 : cant help but be contrarian [2017-04-09 09:57:16] mark121 : at heart atleast [2017-04-09 09:57:49] Ahhere : How is everyone this morning ? [2017-04-09 09:57:58] rapidtrades : $10 about to break on LTC [2017-04-09 09:58:21] Ahhere : Again? Ffs [2017-04-09 09:58:44] rapidtrades : get ready for a ride holders [2017-04-09 09:59:24] mark121 : imagine how fast btc wud fly if shorts are really as big as pre ETF [2017-04-09 09:59:43] mark121 : if it went up i mean [2017-04-09 10:00:33] arbitrage101 : oh baby [2017-04-09 10:00:37] arbitrage101 : go zec go [2017-04-09 10:00:40] arbitrage101 : to 1000 [2017-04-09 10:00:51] arbitrage101 : cuz zec >> snapchat ipo [2017-04-09 10:02:22] Ahhere : Zec seems about as overvalued as Snapchat. I'm rapid trades on zec [2017-04-09 10:02:59] mark121 : math osciillator says top mayb on zec [2017-04-09 10:03:18] Ahhere : Flux capacitor confirms @mark121 [2017-04-09 10:03:46] Dnavid : mark121: tis what happened around Mar 25th [2017-04-09 10:07:08] Yuppie : Alt money is going to have a try with ZEC again [2017-04-09 10:13:16] holistico : pumpa dumpa escheme [2017-04-09 10:13:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: sell 200 @ 0.00002925 [2017-04-09 10:14:37] arbitrage101 : yes, pump zec 100 times [2017-04-09 10:15:07] arbitrage101 : i will sell long before it goes up 100 times [2017-04-09 10:15:14] arbitrage101 : sad [2017-04-09 10:17:27] holistico : moar [2017-04-09 10:18:26] Ahhere : I'm gonna launch an altcoin seems to be the quickest way to make 25milion [2017-04-09 10:18:31] Ahhere : So many mugs [2017-04-09 10:18:31] holistico : anyone buying on 0100101001010? [2017-04-09 10:18:42] Apocalyptic : Ahhere: you get it [2017-04-09 10:19:00] Apocalyptic : just don't forget to hire a chick to do youtube vids like Amanda [2017-04-09 10:19:26] arbitrage101 : yes [2017-04-09 10:19:30] Ahhere : Apocalyptic: thxgai i brush up well I'll just get a wig and makeup keep the budget down [2017-04-09 10:19:33] arbitrage101 : pretty suprising dash is still this high [2017-04-09 10:19:54] arbitrage101 : but it is traded on a few big exchanges [2017-04-09 10:20:03] arbitrage101 : got to worth something [2017-04-09 10:20:15] Ahhere : It's in the just ran off the cliff but not dropped yet will e coyote phase [2017-04-09 10:20:19] arbitrage101 : dash > snap ipo [2017-04-09 10:21:16] Ahhere : Snapchat is > Instagram > Facebook but dash < dogshit ? [2017-04-09 10:21:21] Derreck : $19 quarterly discount? what the hell? [2017-04-09 10:21:32] arbitrage101 : Amanda > zuckerberg [2017-04-09 10:22:01] Ahhere : What about zucks bird? @arbitrage101 [2017-04-09 10:22:34] arbitrage101 : what bird [2017-04-09 10:22:56] Ahhere : His missus < or > Amanda... [2017-04-09 10:23:02] holistico : arbirdtrage [2017-04-09 10:23:59] Ahhere : Yeah i think my coin will be pusssy related cryptonerds are suckers for pusssy [2017-04-09 10:24:04] uej : Is not possible to long and short same pair at the same time? [2017-04-09 10:24:15] Ahhere : Proncoin [2017-04-09 10:24:31] arbitrage101 : uej: nope [2017-04-09 10:24:36] arbitrage101 : use another account [2017-04-09 10:24:53] arbitrage101 : buy why would you long and short the same time [2017-04-09 10:25:05] arbitrage101 : trying to game the adl system? [2017-04-09 10:25:33] mark121 : lots of big accounts will take both [2017-04-09 10:25:38] mark121 : positions [2017-04-09 10:25:57] uej : arbitrage101: to minimize the risk of bigger losses and then sell one of the post depending with direction its going? [2017-04-09 10:26:19] arbitrage101 : you "close" or partially close your position [2017-04-09 10:26:25] arbitrage101 : not long and short the same time [2017-04-09 10:26:36] holistico : ProfitCoin @Ahhere [2017-04-09 10:26:55] holistico : a.k.a ponzicoin [2017-04-09 10:27:12] uej : arbitrage101:what do you mean by "close" ? [2017-04-09 10:27:26] arbitrage101 : you open 10 contracts [2017-04-09 10:27:40] arbitrage101 : if you want to reduce risk, you close maybe 1-9 [2017-04-09 10:27:53] arbitrage101 : or 10 to close your entire position [2017-04-09 10:27:56] mark121 : no [2017-04-09 10:28:04] mark121 : its common arbitrage101 [2017-04-09 10:28:27] arbitrage101 : he said same pair [2017-04-09 10:28:32] mark121 : ya [2017-04-09 10:28:38] mark121 : diff accounts if u must [2017-04-09 10:30:40] holistico : all the lits on [2017-04-09 10:30:49] holistico : max leverage [2017-04-09 10:37:07] mark121 : /sentiment [2017-04-09 10:37:10] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 28.28 / 71.72 Daily : 50.26 / 49.74 Weekly : 45.18 / 54.82 Monthly : 50.70 / 49.30``` [2017-04-09 10:37:33] holistico : /? [2017-04-09 10:37:33] trollbot : `/joke`: Shows a short joke from top reddit /r/jokes. `/suggest [TEXT]`: Send a suggestion to author of this bot. `/?` or `/help`: Shows list of commands and description. If you like this bot consider donating to 154DktRHXpiEjwQgJhdWWxw2rnNrHUo9wd [2017-04-09 10:37:34] trollbot : `/price`: Shows last trade price of BTC/USD on all major exchanges. `/wall`: Shows ±$30 liquidity on OKCoin, Bitstamp, Bitflyer & Bitfinex `/sentiment`: Shows market sentiment in Sell/Buy ratio. `/rekt`: Shows margin call highlights of the day. [2017-04-09 10:37:58] holistico : /wall [2017-04-09 10:37:58] trollbot : ``` /wall is a paid command now! Pay 100 BTC to Farzad aka GOD.``` [2017-04-09 10:38:11] holistico : lol [2017-04-09 10:39:59] EastIndiaCompany : Is BitMex going to add more prediction markets? I would like to see prediction markets for coin prices at certain dates. [2017-04-09 10:40:39] laisee : you mean futures? [2017-04-09 10:40:45] Apocalyptic : ^ [2017-04-09 10:41:00] EastIndiaCompany : No, not necessarily futures, those are still too risky [2017-04-09 10:41:06] mark121 : no he means like [2017-04-09 10:41:14] mark121 : what u see on binary option sites [2017-04-09 10:41:20] EastIndiaCompany : Yes exactly [2017-04-09 10:41:51] laisee : futures are risky but binary options are not? [2017-04-09 10:42:04] EastIndiaCompany : Because downside risk is limited [2017-04-09 10:42:36] EastIndiaCompany : and fewer liquidity concerns [2017-04-09 10:43:00] Apocalyptic : the options will be unlikely more liquid than the underlying future [2017-04-09 10:43:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTC7D`: buy 4 @ 0.00876 [2017-04-09 10:43:26] mark121 : liquidty isnt really a thing [2017-04-09 10:43:30] mark121 : in what hes refering to [2017-04-09 10:43:57] Apocalyptic : "fewer liquidity concerns" so what is ? [2017-04-09 10:44:00] mark121 : its like playin against the house [2017-04-09 10:44:05] EastIndiaCompany : The thing is, if you are the writer on an option, you could easily lose more than your entire account [2017-04-09 10:44:40] EastIndiaCompany : liquidity concern in futures market is that you wouldnt be able to close your position and that may end up margin calling you [2017-04-09 10:44:47] laisee : options are far more risky and illiquid than futures in most markets. [2017-04-09 10:44:54] EastIndiaCompany : in options, the downside risk is limited, so no MC [2017-04-09 10:45:08] EastIndiaCompany : binary options* [2017-04-09 10:45:25] Apocalyptic : mark121: feels like our convo earlier [2017-04-09 10:45:28] EastIndiaCompany : I think we're talking about different products [2017-04-09 10:45:50] mark121 : Apocalyptic: lol ya [2017-04-09 10:45:50] EastIndiaCompany : I not talking about option contracts like in the traditional markets [2017-04-09 10:46:36] EastIndiaCompany : I'm talking about markets like B_SEGWITZ17 [2017-04-09 10:47:31] mark121 : like +/- $xx.xx expires April 10th [2017-04-09 10:48:03] mark121 : over/under [2017-04-09 10:48:06] EastIndiaCompany : yeah [2017-04-09 11:07:06] mark121 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/Hj2TXghI/ [2017-04-09 11:08:10] mark121 : xrp rally mayb [2017-04-09 11:08:35] mark121 : sure is being accumukated [2017-04-09 11:10:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 18591 @ 1158.7 [2017-04-09 11:11:42] mark121 : price down but accum up [2017-04-09 11:18:16] Yuppie : Gotta ZEC this out...took out 0.06 [2017-04-09 11:19:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: sell 6994 @ 0.00002861 [2017-04-09 11:21:59] arbitrage101 : TA said zec going to 5000 [2017-04-09 11:23:02] Yuppie : ZEC order book here pretty uneven...probably some icebergs on the bid [2017-04-09 11:31:42] Dnavid : mark121: price down but accum up. This is Bullish? [2017-04-09 11:31:56] mark121 : no instantly [2017-04-09 11:31:59] mark121 : not* [2017-04-09 11:32:12] mark121 : but yes it could mean an impending rally [2017-04-09 11:32:22] mark121 : at the least it means people want it [2017-04-09 11:32:49] mark121 : also sign that prices were manipulated downward [2017-04-09 11:33:55] mark121 : strange to see price moving down when appaently buys are outnumbering sells in otherwords [2017-04-09 11:42:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 64622 @ 1156.6 **MEGA-REKT** :boom: