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[2017-04-01 15:42:08] MikeHunt : 950, not sure about 800s thou
[2017-04-01 15:42:18] cryptoyolo : rapidtrades: why dont u open up a blog and post there?
[2017-04-01 15:42:27] mark121 : In all honesty.. his not closing sub 900 and watching it move over 2 hundred dollars up sort of is inexcusable
[2017-04-01 15:42:27] rapidtrades : 95% ppl here are newb trash that will be flushed out
[2017-04-01 15:42:35] rapidtrades : so why bother being nice?
[2017-04-01 15:42:41] vgck : cryptoyolo: He can call it: DIE, BITCOIN, DIE!
[2017-04-01 15:43:23] cryptoyolo : what a hateful person.... u can't be mad as much as you want. U just can't call yourself a good person
[2017-04-01 15:43:49] cryptoyolo : usually if you're not a "noob" u try and help other, asshole
[2017-04-01 15:43:50] Neskau : /REKT
[2017-04-01 15:43:50] mark121 : I think it's obvious it's not true hate tho
[2017-04-01 15:44:18] mark121 : Like cartman from Southpark
[2017-04-01 15:44:22] vgck : mark121: Exactly, not cutting it the first time when it went against him was bad enough, but he had THREE chances to close near break even but didn't take it. He could've made so much if he was long. He calls bulls idiots only because he's jelous
[2017-04-01 15:44:22] rapidtrades : yes it is
[2017-04-01 15:44:50] rapidtrades : dude if it keeps going down its a bear market
[2017-04-01 15:45:01] rapidtrades : so the only ppl that need 'chances' are deluded bulls
[2017-04-01 15:45:02] vgck : Bear market is over
[2017-04-01 15:45:15] mark121 : If it goes down its a bear market? Lol
[2017-04-01 15:45:27] mark121 : What cycle r u speaking of
[2017-04-01 15:45:32] cryptoyolo : I wonder what type of TA u did to conclude that we're in a bear market
[2017-04-01 15:45:39] cryptoyolo : pure bs...
[2017-04-01 15:46:05] mark121 : Secular primary intermediate ?
[2017-04-01 15:46:34] rapidtrades : ALL OF THEM
[2017-04-01 15:46:44] men : ETH broke 48 level
[2017-04-01 15:46:48] mark121 : It might be true hate but it's not for us
[2017-04-01 15:47:19] rapidtrades : this technology is dying
[2017-04-01 15:47:30] rapidtrades : it didn't catch on in 7 yrs, it wont now
[2017-04-01 15:47:33] mark121 : It's at the unfair world for not meeting his expectations
[2017-04-01 15:47:37] cryptoyolo : mark121: ;D u got it
[2017-04-01 15:47:45] rapidtrades : stick a fork in it and lets move on
[2017-04-01 15:47:49] rapidtrades : sell everything to 0
[2017-04-01 15:48:21] rapidtrades : or $150...whatever the black market value bitcoin provides
[2017-04-01 15:49:47] mark121 : Good joke
[2017-04-01 15:52:36] rapidtrades : its not a joke bitcoin is not useful
[2017-04-01 15:52:41] rapidtrades : its a gimmick
[2017-04-01 15:52:56] rapidtrades : regulation will be the final nail in the coffin
[2017-04-01 15:53:15] rapidtrades : it had a chance to catch on with ppl, it didnt
[2017-04-01 15:53:46] rapidtrades : now u need on/off ramps to spend it or buy it and these will be regulated to death
[2017-04-01 15:54:07] rapidtrades : there's no competitive advantage to crypto anymore
[2017-04-01 15:54:42] rapidtrades : what happened in china will happen in the west too, maybe in lesser form
[2017-04-01 15:54:43] sleger : so why dont you sell get your eur back and go trade forex ?
[2017-04-01 15:55:00] rapidtrades : cos im trading this bitch to 0
[2017-04-01 15:55:09] internetexplorer : +1
[2017-04-01 15:59:13] sleger : nice so you're gonna withdraw all your btc profits when its worth zero, sounds like a plan
[2017-04-01 16:00:42] rapidtrades : $150 is a nice target
[2017-04-01 16:00:49] rapidtrades : based on black market usage
[2017-04-01 16:01:23] rapidtrades : it will always be useful to junkies and pedos and blackmailers
[2017-04-01 16:03:10] vgck : Pretty sure Monero is replacing BTC there.
[2017-04-01 16:03:10] Techemy : 4h btc closed bearish
[2017-04-01 16:03:43] vgck : Techemy: Looks bullish to me, look again.
[2017-04-01 16:05:05] MikeHunt : its bullish overall
[2017-04-01 16:05:06] rapidtrades : look again..thiss twat
[2017-04-01 16:05:11] MikeHunt : but im thinking a bounce off 1k
[2017-04-01 16:05:19] rapidtrades : Mike is bullish
[2017-04-01 16:05:27] Techemy : bullish long term. but bearish pivot on 4h
[2017-04-01 16:05:31] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: ive got a short actually
[2017-04-01 16:05:43] mark121 : 150 off black market usage lol
[2017-04-01 16:05:57] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: i think ull see 800s eventually, just not yet
[2017-04-01 16:06:30] Tetsuo : SOON LTC MOON <3
[2017-04-01 16:08:25] Tetsuo : LONG ETH & XMR TOO!
[2017-04-01 16:08:40] Tetsuo : RAPITRADES JOIN THE PARTY B4 IT´S TOO LATE
[2017-04-01 16:08:43] aethlios : How much of the hashing power is signaling SegWit support? NEW! About 1500 GH/s, or 58.0% of the network (290 out of the last 500 blocks).
[2017-04-01 16:08:51] Tetsuo : holy shit
[2017-04-01 16:09:04] aethlios : https://www.litecoinpool.org/pools
[2017-04-01 16:09:11] Tetsuo : 58% is even more than 50%
[2017-04-01 16:09:14] Tetsuo : WIW
[2017-04-01 16:09:16] Tetsuo : WOW
[2017-04-01 16:09:20] Tetsuo : HOLY COW
[2017-04-01 16:09:43] aethlios : LTC1BTC ιφ σιγναλ ςε αρε αλμοστ τηερε
[2017-04-01 16:09:52] aethlios : if signal we are almost there
[2017-04-01 16:10:11] Tetsuo : 1 LTC will soon be 1BTC i agree
[2017-04-01 16:10:31] cryptoyolo : MikeHunt: hey mike. I dont think 1k ... probably 1020s
[2017-04-01 16:11:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 697 @ 0.006990
[2017-04-01 16:11:11] aethlios : Tetsuo: it is the only time ltc price moves uncorrelated to btc, this means for me that the market sees a different development path for the coin
[2017-04-01 16:11:23] Tetsuo : yes
[2017-04-01 16:16:52] sleger : rapidtrades: you should also short some eth then
[2017-04-01 16:20:12] binacoin : money moving to alt
[2017-04-01 16:20:47] MikeHunt : cryptoyolo: yeh thats good enough for me as well
[2017-04-01 16:21:36] cryptoyolo : MikeHunt: i wouldn't be short here now though...
[2017-04-01 16:21:50] MikeHunt : cryptoyolo: im stuck in one from earlier
[2017-04-01 16:22:44] cryptoyolo : MikeHunt: I traded the edge to edge of the cloud on the 4h... luckly i placed my exit a little lower. Now guess im gonna stare at this chart until it reverses
[2017-04-01 16:23:04] MikeHunt : its my fault thou, i should have put a stop on it
[2017-04-01 16:23:59] finnagetdooped : btc probably gunna touch 1050 here
[2017-04-01 16:29:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 23 @ 0.006920
[2017-04-01 16:31:27] men : finnagetdooped: after the right shoulder is completed
[2017-04-01 16:32:55] MikeHunt : men: whats ur target for right shoulder?
[2017-04-01 16:33:16] MikeHunt : 1090?
[2017-04-01 16:36:23] binacoin : /sentiment
[2017-04-01 16:36:25] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 59.18 / 40.82 Daily : 48.52 / 51.48 Weekly : 47.50 / 52.50 Monthly : 52.18 / 47.82```
[2017-04-01 16:36:44] cryptoyolo : men: what time frame the h&s?
[2017-04-01 16:37:26] Tetsuo : 14h sumerian time
[2017-04-01 16:38:27] men : MikeHunt: yes 1090 like the left shoulder
[2017-04-01 16:39:12] men : cryptoyolo: yolo from from yesterday
[2017-04-01 16:42:40] cryptoyolo : dont get it..
[2017-04-01 16:43:37] MikeHunt : 4pm tomoz?
[2017-04-01 16:45:26] men : maybe yes @MikeHunt
[2017-04-01 16:46:10] cryptoyolo : i see it now
[2017-04-01 16:46:30] men : cryptoyolo: it's clear :D you can see it very well
[2017-04-01 16:46:38] men : its a good bet i think
[2017-04-01 16:46:45] MikeHunt : it could be a lot sooner thou if this thing wants to dump
[2017-04-01 16:46:55] cryptoyolo : im usually watching higher time frames
[2017-04-01 16:46:58] men : i think the same @MikeHunt
[2017-04-01 16:47:02] men : cryptoyolo: np mate
[2017-04-01 16:47:10] men : MikeHunt: maybe can be sooner
[2017-04-01 16:47:28] men : like you say
[2017-04-01 16:47:31] cryptoyolo : hmmm.. placing bids at 1020s
[2017-04-01 16:48:13] cryptoyolo : 1030s actually
[2017-04-01 16:49:11] men : 1090-1095 i place a big short
[2017-04-01 16:49:16] men : :D
[2017-04-01 16:49:21] men : i think there will be
[2017-04-01 16:49:30] men : *this will be
[2017-04-01 16:49:37] men : a good range for short
[2017-04-01 16:49:44] men : 1106 was the head
[2017-04-01 16:51:54] men : it seems you are right @Mikehunt cause BTC its recovering well
[2017-04-01 16:51:54] cryptoyolo : Im gonna do the same, but will set a tight stop at 1110
[2017-04-01 16:52:15] MikeHunt : men: its a truce until next major btc meeting
[2017-04-01 16:52:15] men : i think i will do the same @cryptoyolo
[2017-04-01 16:52:18] MikeHunt : if that goes sour....
[2017-04-01 16:52:44] men : MikeHunt: this can be a good opportunity to short
[2017-04-01 16:52:54] MikeHunt : yarp
[2017-04-01 16:53:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 1082.20
[2017-04-01 16:53:12] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 87 @ 1082.20
[2017-04-01 16:53:13] MikeHunt : need to form a big inverse H&S for next major bull run
[2017-04-01 16:53:29] men : btc can go down to 750
[2017-04-01 16:53:41] MikeHunt : think we need bad news for that
[2017-04-01 16:53:57] men : but it can do a inverse HS
[2017-04-01 16:54:02] men : in this way
[2017-04-01 16:54:25] men : if dump to 935$ will be a right inverse HS
[2017-04-01 16:54:30] men : look chart
[2017-04-01 16:54:41] MikeHunt : yup
[2017-04-01 16:54:49] men : from 18/03 @MikeHunt
[2017-04-01 16:55:13] MikeHunt : yeh, if that happens i expect run to 1300
[2017-04-01 16:55:21] men : true
[2017-04-01 16:55:22] MikeHunt : +
[2017-04-01 16:55:24] men : a big run
[2017-04-01 16:55:25] cryptoyolo : to complete this inverse H&S btc has to reach 970s
[2017-04-01 16:55:39] cryptoyolo : at least
[2017-04-01 16:55:40] men : cryptoyolo: yes
[2017-04-01 16:55:48] men : 950-970's levels
[2017-04-01 16:56:22] MikeHunt : i have to say 100x/50x mini trades are pure adrenaline
[2017-04-01 16:56:27] MikeHunt : fun
[2017-04-01 16:56:54] men : can help to earn free money :D
[2017-04-01 16:56:58] men : or to lose all
[2017-04-01 16:57:07] cryptoyolo : 50x mini trades are great for scalping
[2017-04-01 16:57:11] MikeHunt : yeh i use tight stops
[2017-04-01 16:57:13] men : yes
[2017-04-01 16:57:20] men : scalping with this volatility is good
[2017-04-01 16:57:25] men : and big leverage too
[2017-04-01 16:57:30] cryptoyolo : u can get 70% plus win rate just by looking at stoch rsi
[2017-04-01 16:57:36] cryptoyolo : on 3min-5min-15min charts
[2017-04-01 16:57:39] men : big leverage+volatility=? big combo
[2017-04-01 16:58:28] cryptoyolo : but its hard work.. got to stare it during the whole process
[2017-04-01 16:58:40] men : yes
[2017-04-01 16:58:43] men : its hard work
[2017-04-01 16:58:50] men : you must follow it all the day
[2017-04-01 16:59:17] men : and you must be a little expert
[2017-04-01 16:59:28] men : or you will lose all with big margin trades
[2017-04-01 17:02:52] men : take a look to ZCL
[2017-04-01 17:03:19] men : 300k incoming, less than 1M coin and people want it for ZENCASH... lol price will skyrocket high
[2017-04-01 17:07:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 22 @ 1078.40
[2017-04-01 17:07:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2 @ 1078.30 :punch: :whale:
[2017-04-01 17:07:20] cryptoyolo : the only alt i coin i hold now is DCR... been forming a great support over 0.011
[2017-04-01 17:08:08] men : cryptoyolo: pay attention stakeholder may want to take profit when their ticket have voted
[2017-04-01 17:08:21] men : i think you can get it cheaper
[2017-04-01 17:08:53] men : only my opinion
[2017-04-01 17:08:58] men : its a great coin
[2017-04-01 17:09:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 40000 @ 1080.80
[2017-04-01 17:09:03] men : undervalued for so much time
[2017-04-01 17:09:19] cryptoyolo : I really don't know... most profits were taken at over 0.015
[2017-04-01 17:10:50] men : cryptoyolo: https://dcrstats.com/ over 2 milion coin in stake
[2017-04-01 17:11:07] men : maybe later this month when ticket have voted someone will want to take profit
[2017-04-01 17:11:22] men : only my opinion nothing more :D
[2017-04-01 17:12:01] cryptoyolo : thanks for the info
[2017-04-01 17:12:55] men : cryptoyolo: no problem i've monitored coins in stake from the last pump
[2017-04-01 17:13:02] men : same over 2 milion it means
[2017-04-01 17:13:26] men : that the last tickets purchased for staking have not voted yet
[2017-04-01 17:15:03] men : but decred will be a great coin in my opinion
[2017-04-01 17:15:11] men : like eth
[2017-04-01 17:15:31] aethlios : men: do you plan to setup nodes for zen?? will earn 3.43% of mining block. how many nodes do you think can be there?? it is a good return because a few coins will be in the nodes (100 zen needed for a node)
[2017-04-01 17:16:24] hmmmYea : men: dcr is my only long-term long that doesnt involve smart contracts.
[2017-04-01 17:17:03] Farzad : /freebtc
[2017-04-01 17:17:03] trollbot : ``` Transfer successful. 4.41 BTC has been transferred to account Farzad. Transaction ID: 45382```
[2017-04-01 17:17:20] Kalman : /joke
[2017-04-01 17:17:22] Tetsuo : ^scammer
[2017-04-01 17:17:22] trollbot : ``` Using Tinder when you're horny is like going food shopping when you're hungry. Both lead to unintended obesity.```
[2017-04-01 17:19:36] cryptoyolo : Guess we're not seeing that right shoulder huh
[2017-04-01 17:19:46] men : hmmmYea: DCR will be great!
[2017-04-01 17:20:01] men : aethlios: i want to
[2017-04-01 17:20:10] men : set up a zen node
[2017-04-01 17:20:23] men : i've read that for each block you earn 3%
[2017-04-01 17:21:07] men : but i dont know how much node there will be and i dont know how will be the setup
[2017-04-01 17:21:09] men : if i can
[2017-04-01 17:21:18] Farzad : men: what is a zen node ? can u send a link ?
[2017-04-01 17:21:20] aethlios : men: if there are 5,000 nodes each node (100 zen) earn 18% per year.
[2017-04-01 17:21:43] men : i want to setup node and you ?@aethlios
[2017-04-01 17:21:50] jimguo : BTC to the moon~~~~~~~~
[2017-04-01 17:21:58] men : Farzad: wait farzad :D
[2017-04-01 17:22:07] aethlios : Farzad: https://blockoperations.com/zen-launching-harmonious-split-zclassic-april/
[2017-04-01 17:22:26] men : aethlios: @Farzad price is going up 310k satoshi and less than 1M coin
[2017-04-01 17:22:36] jimguo : i am a chinese
[2017-04-01 17:22:47] aethlios : men: i will setup many nodes, we wait for instructions, it is early yet.
[2017-04-01 17:23:01] men : and definitely yes, i want node :D
[2017-04-01 17:23:08] men : aethlios: me too
[2017-04-01 17:23:13] men : i want to setup so many nodes
[2017-04-01 17:23:36] men : 3% for each block mined is a good reward
[2017-04-01 17:23:59] aethlios : men: 3.43%
[2017-04-01 17:24:03] Farzad : https://zencash.io/
[2017-04-01 17:24:11] aethlios : could go 10 before 23 may??
[2017-04-01 17:24:14] men : all the people will want to setup node and the coin will be locked like DCR and DASH... no coins in circulation = price skyrocket
[2017-04-01 17:24:21] Farzad : is it possible to buy zen now ?
[2017-04-01 17:24:26] men : aethlios: ZCL?
[2017-04-01 17:24:35] aethlios : men: yes
[2017-04-01 17:24:46] men : aethlios: I think 10 and over
[2017-04-01 17:25:07] men : 15-20 can be possible
[2017-04-01 17:25:17] men : maybe over because all people want to have ZEC
[2017-04-01 17:25:19] aethlios : Farzad: for every 1 zcl you receive free 1 zen, read the link
[2017-04-01 17:25:20] men : FOMO will be great
[2017-04-01 17:26:28] men : aethlios: if ZCL continue to go up like this day price will be 25-30 $
[2017-04-01 17:26:50] Farzad : already up 51% !
[2017-04-01 17:27:11] Farzad : what exchange sells zcl ?
[2017-04-01 17:27:31] aethlios : Farzad: bittrex
[2017-04-01 17:29:22] men : Farzad: will go up very fast
[2017-04-01 17:30:08] men : cryptoyolo: right shoulder will come :P
[2017-04-01 17:30:33] Farzad : node allocation is 3.43%
[2017-04-01 17:30:37] Farzad : how is it good ?
[2017-04-01 17:30:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `DASHJ17`: sell 194 @ 0.061117
[2017-04-01 17:30:57] Farzad : DASH allocates 45% to master nodes
[2017-04-01 17:31:37] men : Farzad: wait , 3.43% for each block mined is good .. but there are 50 coins in each ZCL/ZEN block
[2017-04-01 17:31:52] Farzad : 3.43% divided between all nodes, right ?
[2017-04-01 17:32:11] men : help @aethlios
[2017-04-01 17:32:12] aethlios : 12.5 coins per block and only for zen
[2017-04-01 17:32:19] men : dont know
[2017-04-01 17:32:21] Farzad : but how many nodes are there ?
[2017-04-01 17:32:44] aethlios : Farzad: zero yet, the coin will exist 23 of may
[2017-04-01 17:32:54] Farzad : as I said DASH allocates 45% to master nodes
[2017-04-01 17:32:59] men : aethlios: but a question, individual earn 3.44% each block right?
[2017-04-01 17:33:13] Farzad : lets say there is 1000 nodes
[2017-04-01 17:33:42] Farzad : you will only earn .0034% of each block
[2017-04-01 17:33:50] Farzad : which is almost nothing
[2017-04-01 17:34:24] Farzad : seems like a scam to me
[2017-04-01 17:34:28] Clock : hey
[2017-04-01 17:34:45] aethlios : per year there are 7200*365= 2,628,000 coins, nodes earn 90,140. if 1,000 nodes, then each node 90 per year, so 90% return, each node has 100 coins
[2017-04-01 17:35:18] men : Farzad: dash is scam lol :D
[2017-04-01 17:35:24] men : not ZCL/ZEN
[2017-04-01 17:35:28] men : dash have instamine
[2017-04-01 17:35:36] men : ZCL not
[2017-04-01 17:35:50] Farzad : who cares ? satoshi mined millions of BTC
[2017-04-01 17:36:02] Farzad : also ZEN has reserved funds !
[2017-04-01 17:36:07] aethlios : if you count the return of capital can be huge. 1 node yesterday costed 200 usd
[2017-04-01 17:36:25] men : aethlios: true
[2017-04-01 17:36:37] men : maybe with zen a node can cost 1000-2000
[2017-04-01 17:37:06] men : Farzad: yes satoshi mined too but he is probably dead, coins not moved in all these years
[2017-04-01 17:37:27] Farzad : lol, how do u know he is dead !? :D
[2017-04-01 17:37:42] turtleplus : occams razor
[2017-04-01 17:38:05] Vintage : btc rocket time
[2017-04-01 17:38:09] men : Farzad: lol , all these coins not used, no email , nothing
[2017-04-01 17:38:20] men : Farzad: probably is dead...
[2017-04-01 17:38:23] aethlios : so if 5,000 nodes is 18 zen per year for each node. if zen then 25 usd, is 450 usd per year, in initial capital of 200 is 225%, so very possible the buyers at 2 usd to receive capital back in 6 or 12 months from node earnings. and keep coins for free.
[2017-04-01 17:38:24] men : :,(
[2017-04-01 17:38:49] men : aethlios: good , seems good to me :D
[2017-04-01 17:42:30] men : @mikehunt @cryptoyolo btc impatient to make right shoulder
[2017-04-01 17:42:49] j8 : sounds dumb :)
[2017-04-01 17:42:57] MikeHunt : men: looks like big rising wedge to me
[2017-04-01 17:43:12] MikeHunt : so right shoulder should come quicker
[2017-04-01 17:43:37] aethlios : men: 3.45 usd
[2017-04-01 17:44:19] men : MikeHunt: yes can be probably a rising wedge and want to fall quickly for continue upward D:
[2017-04-01 17:44:32] MikeHunt : men: works for me ;)
[2017-04-01 17:44:45] men : aethlios: yes price is going up very fast
[2017-04-01 17:45:21] men : aethlios: 330k incoming in 1 second xD
[2017-04-01 17:45:35] men : MikeHunt: probability of a right shoulder?
[2017-04-01 17:45:50] men : i think 70-80%
[2017-04-01 17:46:10] MikeHunt : men: i think we'll see 1090 at least
[2017-04-01 17:46:25] zaico : can somebody give me an example of the trading strategy described in bitmex blog: Buy Future vs. Sell Swap Mechanics
[2017-04-01 17:46:31] zaico : https://blog.bitmex.com/basic-basis-trading-strategies/
[2017-04-01 17:47:16] zaico : I've been trying to understand it with no success
[2017-04-01 17:47:58] MikeHunt : zaico: you new here?
[2017-04-01 17:48:18] zaico : you mean here at bitmex? or what?
[2017-04-01 17:48:37] mark121 : No new to earth
[2017-04-01 17:51:35] MikeHunt : zaico: i think it means profit from funding fee by shorting swap during a bull run
[2017-04-01 17:51:44] MikeHunt : whilst also longing futures
[2017-04-01 17:51:50] zaico : mark121: right now I need help with the described above. I'll call you when I need a clown
[2017-04-01 17:51:50] MikeHunt : (M17)
[2017-04-01 17:51:56] zaico : MikeHunt: thanks
[2017-04-01 17:52:07] MikeHunt : seems risky idea to me thou
[2017-04-01 17:52:23] MikeHunt : especially if u get short entry price wrong and/or use leverqage
[2017-04-01 17:53:20] zaico : for example entry long on swap (when funding is negative) and short on M17 and profit from the funding. Is that the idea?
[2017-04-01 17:53:30] men : aethlios: 340k ZCL
[2017-04-01 17:54:15] aethlios : men: why not zen to be better than zcash corpo scam.........
[2017-04-01 17:54:47] MikeHunt : zaico: thats bear market version yeh
[2017-04-01 17:55:01] Farzad : 3.43% for nodes is a joke
[2017-04-01 17:55:02] zaico : MikeHunt: why would you get a short entry price wrong if you set a limit price?
[2017-04-01 17:55:06] men : aethlios: maybe it can be :D eheheh
[2017-04-01 17:55:13] Farzad : there is no incentive there to run a node
[2017-04-01 17:55:33] MikeHunt : zaico: well with stops ull be alright, but i pressume u meant profiting over a long time
[2017-04-01 17:55:54] Farzad : if u think price increases by 1000%
[2017-04-01 17:55:57] MikeHunt : usually u have to trade agaisnt the market to get right funding fee
[2017-04-01 17:56:05] Farzad : then 3.43% is negligible
[2017-04-01 17:56:06] j8 : entry price doesn't matter, what matters is the spread between the two when you enter
[2017-04-01 17:56:27] Farzad : it is a scam
[2017-04-01 17:56:40] j8 : if you are holding both position you do NOT want to stop out on one, you want to be able to hold both until it's a good time to close
[2017-04-01 17:56:44] zaico : MikeHunt: that's why you enter on the other directtion on the futures
[2017-04-01 17:56:46] Farzad : if u want to earn real money by hosting a node, go buy 1000 DASH
[2017-04-01 17:57:03] Farzad : and get 45%
[2017-04-01 17:57:22] Farzad : compared to 3.43% in ZEN, lol
[2017-04-01 17:57:23] MikeHunt : zaico: personally i dont recommend it, normal trading is probably less risky and more profitable
[2017-04-01 17:57:24] aethlios : Farzad: 8% per year is the return for each masternode
[2017-04-01 17:57:52] Farzad : aethlios: right. ZEN will be MUCH MUCH lower
[2017-04-01 17:58:10] Farzad : something close to 0%/year
[2017-04-01 17:58:18] zaico : MikeHunt: thanks for the info
[2017-04-01 17:58:35] MikeHunt : np
[2017-04-01 17:58:49] zaico : j8: you tried the strategy?
[2017-04-01 17:59:03] aethlios : Farzad: with 5,000 nodes will be 18%, so 500,000 needed which is half market supply now.
[2017-04-01 17:59:38] Farzad : aethlios: you mean 8% ?
[2017-04-01 17:59:51] j8 : zaico: yeah i do lots of that kind of thing.
[2017-04-01 17:59:54] aethlios : even if half of market supply goes to nodes, then 18% per year return
[2017-04-01 18:00:19] zaico : could you tell me how is that less risky then just trading?
[2017-04-01 18:00:23] aethlios : Farzad: 18% do the math
[2017-04-01 18:00:24] Farzad : aethlios: are u talking about DASH ? where did u get 18% from ?
[2017-04-01 18:00:35] aethlios : Farzad: 18% for zen
[2017-04-01 18:00:59] j8 : zaico: it has a different risk profile, you are speculating on sentiment rather than price
[2017-04-01 18:01:42] aethlios : Farzad: it will be more than 18% because i don't think 50% of total supply will go to nodes
[2017-04-01 18:02:05] j8 : it's probably easier to make small amounts consistently, you won't get huge payouts like directional trading though
[2017-04-01 18:02:17] Farzad : aethlios: do u mean if we have 5000 nodes. each node earn 18% yearly ?
[2017-04-01 18:02:38] zaico : so If I'm understending correct you enter in the side wich gives from funding on swap and on the other side on future
[2017-04-01 18:02:40] aethlios : Farzad: yes!!
[2017-04-01 18:02:42] men : aethlios: good annual return
[2017-04-01 18:02:51] zaico : so where is the risk?
[2017-04-01 18:03:16] aethlios : men: will be higher first year because i don't think half of total coins will be on nodes.
[2017-04-01 18:03:17] j8 : zaico: the swap funding changes every 8 hours. the future premium is also floating
[2017-04-01 18:03:44] aethlios : then with coins earned form odes you set up new nodes, like dash masternode owners do
[2017-04-01 18:03:56] Farzad : aethlios: if 3.43% of blocks, divided between 5K nodes. makes 18% return, then price of ZEN will crash to the ground !
[2017-04-01 18:03:59] j8 : you could enter the trade because funding gives you 0.2%, but in that time you could lose 2% in futures premium
[2017-04-01 18:04:43] aethlios : Farzad: well now is breaking the roof
[2017-04-01 18:04:43] Farzad : there should be a shit load of supply if 3.43% divided by 5K makes 18% return
[2017-04-01 18:05:02] aethlios : Farzad: supply is like btc
[2017-04-01 18:06:05] Farzad : something is not right here
[2017-04-01 18:06:09] j8 : sounds like there will be so many nodes that the return is barely above the cost of running a node
[2017-04-01 18:06:10] Farzad : your math doesnt add up
[2017-04-01 18:06:35] Farzad : let me see
[2017-04-01 18:07:27] j8 : big holders will have to run thousands of nodes to get the return?
[2017-04-01 18:08:48] j8 : anyway buying shitcoins to get a return is shitcoins is foolish imo
[2017-04-01 18:09:07] j8 : buy it because you want to invest, and take the return as a bonus
[2017-04-01 18:09:15] zaico : j8: so how do you hedge that risk?
[2017-04-01 18:09:40] j8 : zaico: you can't hedge every risk, or you leave no room for reward
[2017-04-01 18:09:55] j8 : it's not an easy trade to be honest
[2017-04-01 18:10:31] j8 : you have to speculate on the futures premium and the funding
[2017-04-01 18:10:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRP7D`: buy 60768 @ 0.00002139
[2017-04-01 18:10:55] zaico : well if you do a Swap vs. Spot strategy there is "no risk"
[2017-04-01 18:11:21] aethlios : j8: you need 100 zen to run a node.
[2017-04-01 18:11:51] j8 : if you do it over short time periods there's very little risk, you might need to close just 8 hours later though @zaico
[2017-04-01 18:11:51] jeeburns : 6hr candle looks ugly
[2017-04-01 18:12:58] zaico : j8: you mean swap vs spot. or the Sell Future vs. Buy Swap Mechanics we where talking?
[2017-04-01 18:13:00] Farzad : aethlios: how much is the limit of total ZEN coins ?
[2017-04-01 18:13:23] j8 : zaico: swap vs. spot is lower risk
[2017-04-01 18:13:37] aethlios : Farzad: the same like btc 21 million, but 12.5 zen blocks every 2.5 minutes
[2017-04-01 18:13:41] j8 : swap vs. futures, there are really no guarantees
[2017-04-01 18:14:24] zaico : there is none. Except if you sell to fiat a different price from bitmex. Am'i right?
[2017-04-01 18:15:08] zaico : A part from the tipe of funding (obviously)
[2017-04-01 18:16:26] j8 : if you sell 1/4 on each of the four exchanges in the index, then it should be no risk EXCEPT...
[2017-04-01 18:16:46] j8 : your position on the swap could be auto-deleveraged
[2017-04-01 18:17:01] j8 : if there is a volatile move
[2017-04-01 18:17:33] j8 : and of course the exchanges could run away with your money
[2017-04-01 18:18:15] zaico : well if I'm cross margin there is no deleveragin ?
[2017-04-01 18:18:24] j8 : yes, there is
[2017-04-01 18:18:47] j8 : lower leverage makes it less likely, but i have been deleveraged at 2x
[2017-04-01 18:19:51] etoque : shit
[2017-04-01 18:20:05] etoque : my gamble long on ltc during the night was a good idea
[2017-04-01 18:20:28] mark121 : Cross margin is basically all leverage multiples depending on your positions success
[2017-04-01 18:21:50] zaico : j8: but with cross margin there is no leverage "in theory"
[2017-04-01 18:22:01] mark121 : Yes there is
[2017-04-01 18:22:10] mark121 : U can see the equivalent on the side
[2017-04-01 18:22:42] mark121 : There only wouldn't be if u spent 1:1
[2017-04-01 18:23:43] mark121 : It basically goes by ur spending from ur avail balance
[2017-04-01 18:28:14] zaico : then I don't see why people would trade on bitmex if they can be thrown out from a position anytime...
[2017-04-01 18:28:48] etoque : true
[2017-04-01 18:28:58] etoque : this adl thing is the worst thing on bitmex
[2017-04-01 18:29:05] mark121 : What sites offer the same leverage
[2017-04-01 18:29:10] etoque : everytime I lost my position
[2017-04-01 18:29:54] j8 : adl is really annoying, it would be fine if it only affected the highest leverage traders but that's not the case at all
[2017-04-01 18:29:56] mark121 : Polo won't adl u but u get 2.5x max
[2017-04-01 18:30:20] zaico : mark121: i don't know any consisten trader using more then 20x...
[2017-04-01 18:30:35] zaico : and that's a lot
[2017-04-01 18:31:03] mark121 : That's not what we were discussing
[2017-04-01 18:31:29] mark121 : That's another story
[2017-04-01 18:32:49] zaico : you where the one talking about "same leverage"...
[2017-04-01 18:32:59] holistico : I use 116x
[2017-04-01 18:33:21] holistico : much winnings
[2017-04-01 18:33:49] zaico : much more losses
[2017-04-01 18:34:33] holistico : I only tell people when I win
[2017-04-01 18:34:38] holistico : lol
[2017-04-01 18:36:09] zaico : very common
[2017-04-01 18:37:37] zaico : j8: seeing all this difficulties could you tell me why trade btc instead of forex or futures?
[2017-04-01 18:38:07] j8 : there is a ton of opportunity that makes it worth it, if you can manage those risks
[2017-04-01 18:38:46] mark121 : Yep
[2017-04-01 18:39:05] j8 : btc markets are way less efficient, forex is extremely competitive and retail traders are at a huge disadvantage
[2017-04-01 18:40:04] j8 : and when you give btc traders high leverage they do crazy things
[2017-04-01 18:40:43] Dynamix : LTC could pull a move downwards :D
[2017-04-01 18:40:52] etoque : ok totally explode
[2017-04-01 18:42:15] etoque : ltc is on the edge to get 18 buck prices
[2017-04-01 18:47:58] zaico : j8: do you have twitter or telegram?
[2017-04-01 18:48:18] j8 : nah but i'm usually here
[2017-04-01 18:49:25] Farzad : https://www.tradingview.com/x/ax1PWYez
[2017-04-01 18:49:42] Farzad : my next trade setup
[2017-04-01 18:49:51] MikeHunt : Farzad: 69s the magic number
[2017-04-01 18:50:14] Farzad : MikeHunt: lol. YES !
[2017-04-01 19:00:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 3 @ 0.006750
[2017-04-01 19:09:34] rapidtrades : last chance to dump ur wothless litecoins bagholders
[2017-04-01 19:10:42] j8 : fair value is $40
[2017-04-01 19:11:03] rapidtrades : j8 why u always talk shit
[2017-04-01 19:11:08] rapidtrades : prolly have shit for brain
[2017-04-01 19:11:50] j8 : just like you say btc fair value is <800
[2017-04-01 19:12:17] j8 : for no reason other than you want it
[2017-04-01 19:20:08] aethlios : LTC is like Trump. either you hate it or you love it.
[2017-04-01 19:21:34] Tetsuo : <3
[2017-04-01 19:29:00] Tetsuo : :rooster: :hatching_chick: :heart: :two_hearts: :revolving_hearts::cupid: :sparkling_heart: :love_letter:
[2017-04-01 19:31:29] etoque : ltc over 10 buck next 3 day I think
[2017-04-01 19:31:44] \//\ : woo
[2017-04-01 19:35:15] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: i´m bullish on LTC but not too sure if we can break 50$ this month. i might sell a bit @ 46$
[2017-04-01 19:35:40] etoque : what make you think it'll reach 46 buck ?
[2017-04-01 19:35:55] Tetsuo : facts and math
[2017-04-01 19:35:57] etoque : I was thinking 1b cap is at least reachable
[2017-04-01 19:39:28] MikeHunt : eth to $100 as well
[2017-04-01 19:40:03] elmorte : Tetsuo: facts?
[2017-04-01 19:40:53] elmorte : rapidtrades: why you hating on j8?
[2017-04-01 19:41:17] etoque : Tetsuo: tell us your fact ahah im interested
[2017-04-01 19:41:43] MikeHunt : elmorte: just tell him ur long then he'll do same to u
[2017-04-01 19:41:58] elmorte : MikeHunt: he knows
[2017-04-01 19:42:13] Tetsuo : insider secrets, can´t spoil , sry
[2017-04-01 19:42:32] elmorte : So...not facts?
[2017-04-01 19:42:46] Tetsuo : facts for a small group
[2017-04-01 19:43:06] elmorte : Cool beans
[2017-04-01 19:43:07] men : ehm guys
[2017-04-01 19:43:10] men : https://coin.dance/blocks
[2017-04-01 19:43:21] men : bitcoin unlimited over 50%
[2017-04-01 19:43:48] Tetsuo : ?
[2017-04-01 19:44:04] Tetsuo : says 29% for me, plz don´t lie in here
[2017-04-01 19:44:11] Tetsuo : 39%
[2017-04-01 19:44:25] men : bitcoin unlimited signaling over 50 % @Tetsuo
[2017-04-01 19:44:29] men : last 144 @tetsuo
[2017-04-01 19:44:47] men : it's the first time that its go to over 50% on last 144 blocks
[2017-04-01 19:45:17] men : point mouse on orange line
[2017-04-01 19:45:18] elmorte : It's not over 50%
[2017-04-01 19:45:29] MikeHunt : men: 38.9% on nodecounter
[2017-04-01 19:45:33] MikeHunt : has gone up
[2017-04-01 19:45:40] men : 50,7% on last 144 blocks
[2017-04-01 19:45:43] men : i dont lie
[2017-04-01 19:45:56] men : look last 144 blocks on coindance, point arrow on orange line
[2017-04-01 19:46:07] elmorte : 46.3% for me
[2017-04-01 19:46:20] men : now 51,4%
[2017-04-01 19:46:22] elmorte : But I'm on mobile
[2017-04-01 19:46:22] \//\ : /fork
[2017-04-01 19:46:23] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 930.74 (-2.94%) Bitfinex BCU : 157.89 (2.04%) SLQ : 10 hours, 7 mins```
[2017-04-01 19:46:33] men : elmorte: i'm on PC i don't lie
[2017-04-01 19:46:41] men : i'm serious i dont want to troll anyone
[2017-04-01 19:47:23] MikeHunt : men: maybe for last 144
[2017-04-01 19:47:26] MikeHunt : but if u look at last 1000
[2017-04-01 19:47:28] Kalman : /joke
[2017-04-01 19:47:28] elmorte : Oh well..if you're on PC
[2017-04-01 19:47:29] trollbot : ``` What’s the name of Mr. T’s girlfriend? April, fools```
[2017-04-01 19:47:48] men : MikeHunt: yes last 144 blocks and its rising
[2017-04-01 19:47:58] Tetsuo : only gamboy shows the real percentage, mobile and PC always lagging
[2017-04-01 19:48:16] men : lol
[2017-04-01 19:48:41] men : if they get +50% for some time they can try a malicious hardfork
[2017-04-01 19:48:45] men : why not
[2017-04-01 19:49:13] elmorte : Coz it's expensive at
[2017-04-01 19:49:18] elmorte : Af
[2017-04-01 19:49:43] aethlios : men: shit...... BU..........
[2017-04-01 19:50:03] men : aethlios: BU going up.. strange times for BTC
[2017-04-01 19:50:20] men : i bet that they will hardfork with a stable +50% hashrate
[2017-04-01 19:50:23] aethlios : men: BU for btc, SW for ltc.
[2017-04-01 19:50:47] men : aethlios: yeah, now ltc segwit is 56% ..
[2017-04-01 19:51:05] men : LTC sw BTC will have unmlimited
[2017-04-01 19:51:05] men : lol
[2017-04-01 19:51:28] Tetsuo : seems like a fair battle
[2017-04-01 19:51:47] men : if a malicious fork happen price will go down very hard, place the shoooortttt :D
[2017-04-01 19:52:11] men : place the short and then when you will close you can buy a entire city lol
[2017-04-01 19:52:50] MikeHunt : if it keeps going up, they will have more lvg for may meeting
[2017-04-01 19:54:22] men : MikeHunt: if i remember BU side said that with +51% they will try to fork
[2017-04-01 19:54:46] men : if my memory is good
[2017-04-01 19:54:57] \//\ : i hope so
[2017-04-01 19:55:14] \//\ : ready to short BTC. get adl and end up with 2 BTC worth $400 total
[2017-04-01 19:55:43] zqooN : lol
[2017-04-01 19:55:46] \//\ : at least i got coins on both chains. maybe they will be worth $425 total
[2017-04-01 19:55:51] aethlios : could they fork next week??????
[2017-04-01 19:56:07] men : aethlios: maybe yes
[2017-04-01 19:56:19] aethlios : men: it is the final attack.
[2017-04-01 19:56:28] men : yes :D
[2017-04-01 19:56:33] men : :(
[2017-04-01 19:56:52] MikeHunt : if it gets near 50
[2017-04-01 19:56:53] MikeHunt : i'd move to eth
[2017-04-01 19:56:58] MikeHunt : and or ltc
[2017-04-01 19:57:19] men : MikeHunt: LTC will be the next BTC .. take a look now, it will dump seems
[2017-04-01 19:57:28] men : any moment from now
[2017-04-01 19:57:39] aethlios : MikeHunt: usd is good also, they have tether which is transferable.
[2017-04-01 19:58:21] aethlios : i want june 200 usd discount
[2017-04-01 19:58:27] MikeHunt : to me the fork will be like this: http://tubeunblock.net/watch?v=I3DLUbnPN-g
[2017-04-01 20:00:13] men : eheheh
[2017-04-01 20:03:52] Tetsuo : https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redditmedia.com%2FF7DAcwbpm2KH7hrmALon0NxONOu5ZPKgya2zif4Ljmg.jpg%3Fw%3D768%26s%3D0ed01455ce759a4c753a7c234172c405&t=575&c=95z4xQSFK74Gvg
[2017-04-01 20:04:24] men : ahahah
[2017-04-01 20:07:28] MikeHunt : http://i.imgur.com/yLneuGF.png
[2017-04-01 20:10:09] Buba : /fork