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[2017-03-29 20:33:19] hmmmYea : that is an overly broad definition
[2017-03-29 20:33:24] mark121 : not at all
[2017-03-29 20:33:48] mark121 : TA is price and volume, macro is all else cept sentiment which iss more or less its ownthing nowadays
[2017-03-29 20:33:54] mark121 : point is
[2017-03-29 20:34:07] mark121 : nothing tells u the future with certainty
[2017-03-29 20:34:11] hmmmYea : thanks for that education.
[2017-03-29 20:34:13] rapidtrades : LTC segwit down to 25% lol
[2017-03-29 20:34:18] mark121 : clearly
[2017-03-29 20:34:19] hmmmYea : oh really?
[2017-03-29 20:34:24] hmmmYea : nothing tells the future?
[2017-03-29 20:34:44] mark121 : not sure wher eur going with this
[2017-03-29 20:35:15] hmmmYea : your sitting here explaining to me that trades are bets, as if you think thats an important point
[2017-03-29 20:35:26] mark121 : ...
[2017-03-29 20:35:46] mark121 : You seem awfully .. defensive.. i was merely enlightening you
[2017-03-29 20:35:52] mark121 : if u dont want to accept it
[2017-03-29 20:35:53] rapidtrades : mark stop spewing ur newbishness all over this chat
[2017-03-29 20:35:55] mark121 : thats fine to me
[2017-03-29 20:36:00] mark121 : rapidtrades: <3 u 2
[2017-03-29 20:36:09] mark121 : U asked
[2017-03-29 20:36:10] hmmmYea : i feel like you just watched wall street warriors and are regurging it to me
[2017-03-29 20:36:12] mark121 : I told u
[2017-03-29 20:36:27] mark121 : i cant stand videos
[2017-03-29 20:36:35] mark121 : im a textbook guy
[2017-03-29 20:37:08] mark121 : without expeirence all of it is worthless, overtime u see that each instrument has its own.. tendencies
[2017-03-29 20:37:11] hmmmYea : whats one book that has edgy knowledge in it?
[2017-03-29 20:37:37] herpinator : hmmmYea: book of medieval torture
[2017-03-29 20:37:38] hmmmYea : i feel like you are trapped in the 1980s
[2017-03-29 20:37:39] mark121 : Edgy? This is TA, not the Gospel of Thomas
[2017-03-29 20:37:49] mark121 : again..
[2017-03-29 20:37:52] hmmmYea : mark121: edge. expected value
[2017-03-29 20:38:05] hmmmYea : are you familiar with that concept?
[2017-03-29 20:38:12] mark121 : these are things that are constantly reinforced and clearly seen
[2017-03-29 20:38:22] mark121 : let me ask u something
[2017-03-29 20:39:17] mark121 : Until 1180 or (the rally beyond 1200) - had you not used the fractal self similarity to kno the trend? it was as close to a map as possible
[2017-03-29 20:39:32] hmmmYea : lol
[2017-03-29 20:39:34] mark121 : and incredibly profitable
[2017-03-29 20:39:42] hmmmYea : fractals
[2017-03-29 20:40:10] hmmmYea : you should read this book
[2017-03-29 20:40:13] mark121 : il jus say this then, ive seen this weird attitude from crypto folks
[2017-03-29 20:40:19] sleger : there was once a trader named fractals
[2017-03-29 20:40:25] sleger : he lasted a whole week !
[2017-03-29 20:40:33] mark121 : u cud really learn a alot if u just accepted that u have more to know
[2017-03-29 20:41:13] hmmmYea : i was gonna send you a link for fooled by randomness
[2017-03-29 20:41:16] mark121 : do u kno how foolish that sounds to someone (and many friends of mine) who made a killing on it
[2017-03-29 20:41:23] hmmmYea : then realized it was written by nntalib
[2017-03-29 20:41:35] hmmmYea : dont want to embarrass myself
[2017-03-29 20:42:01] hmmmYea : mark121: congrats on winning 1 bet
[2017-03-29 20:42:06] hmmmYea : must feel amazing
[2017-03-29 20:42:08] mark121 : huh
[2017-03-29 20:42:14] hmmmYea : your fractal bet
[2017-03-29 20:42:17] mark121 : Why does TA make u angry
[2017-03-29 20:42:19] hmmmYea : great job
[2017-03-29 20:42:31] mark121 : it intrigues me.. this attitude
[2017-03-29 20:42:42] mark121 : in the past, usually people just saw bad TA and assumed all TA was bad
[2017-03-29 20:42:51] hmmmYea : im just having fun with you.
[2017-03-29 20:43:04] hmmmYea : TA is for suckers
[2017-03-29 20:43:08] mark121 : quite frankly if u used tradingview, i wouldnt blame u
[2017-03-29 20:43:24] mark121 : worst TA force the most part..
[2017-03-29 20:43:44] mark121 : overconfident, under-informed "TA"ers are a dime a dozen
[2017-03-29 20:43:53] rapidtrades : the point of fooled by randomness isn't that markets are random
[2017-03-29 20:44:23] rapidtrades : just in case you didn't catch that
[2017-03-29 20:44:38] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: if i thought markets were random, would i be trading at all?
[2017-03-29 20:44:47] mark121 : (i assume he got out of it what he wanted to, or thought in the first place)
[2017-03-29 20:45:33] rapidtrades : hmmmYea: you would if ur an idiot
[2017-03-29 20:45:51] hmmmYea : +1
[2017-03-29 20:46:09] hmmmYea : mark121: so back to my question, who are the TA billionaires?
[2017-03-29 20:46:29] mark121 : who are the "TA is bullshit billionaires?"
[2017-03-29 20:46:32] mark121 : the question is moot
[2017-03-29 20:46:46] hmmmYea : literally everyone
[2017-03-29 20:46:56] mark121 : look, im not tryin to win an argument, as this is factual stuff
[2017-03-29 20:47:00] mark121 : point is
[2017-03-29 20:47:14] sleger : u just have the wrong definition of TA
[2017-03-29 20:47:19] hmmmYea : mark121: no, if TA was this golden goose, there would be a whole subset of TA billionaires
[2017-03-29 20:47:27] mark121 : thats it!
[2017-03-29 20:47:33] hmmmYea : just there are arb billionaires, quant billionaires
[2017-03-29 20:47:36] mark121 : its not a golden goose
[2017-03-29 20:47:41] hmmmYea : fundamental analyst billionaires
[2017-03-29 20:47:48] mark121 : its information
[2017-03-29 20:48:10] hmmmYea : edgeless information. it woulda made someone really rich
[2017-03-29 20:48:34] hmmmYea : it used to work before people used computers, but not in the last 25 years
[2017-03-29 20:48:40] mark121 : im not some TA only guy, ive made great trades without looking at the chart,
[2017-03-29 20:49:04] mark121 : im more about using whatever works or helps
[2017-03-29 20:49:23] hmmmYea : edge doesnt care who you are or how you feel
[2017-03-29 20:49:33] mark121 : i have no great love of TA or anything , its a set of tools on a tool bet of trend idenfication
[2017-03-29 20:49:41] mark121 : belt*
[2017-03-29 20:49:57] rapidtrades : there's very little edge in entries by themselves, this is all level one thinking
[2017-03-29 20:50:14] mark121 : that really doesnt make sense
[2017-03-29 20:50:24] ross : rapidtrades: you're back
[2017-03-29 20:50:39] rapidtrades : it will in 5 years don't worry mark...if u live that long
[2017-03-29 20:50:42] mark121 : it sounds good
[2017-03-29 20:50:46] mark121 : no
[2017-03-29 20:51:01] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: is it cheering bt entry and exit that creates edge?
[2017-03-29 20:51:06] mark121 : it means nothing
[2017-03-29 20:51:36] mark121 : too general and obviously not always the case
[2017-03-29 20:52:57] rapidtrades : hmmmYea: exits, risk control, position sizing, diversification, portfolio construction etc
[2017-03-29 20:53:03] mark121 : its like a chain, a lose portion and the whole trade is in jeopardy
[2017-03-29 20:53:15] rapidtrades : there's lot of layers to this game
[2017-03-29 20:53:18] mark121 : talk about level one :p
[2017-03-29 20:54:53] rapidtrades : level one is newbs chasing the one perfect system
[2017-03-29 20:55:01] mark121 : that is correct.
[2017-03-29 20:55:19] mark121 : and it seems ppl think TA is meant to be that
[2017-03-29 20:56:17] ross : i know u guys love me saying it
[2017-03-29 20:56:24] ross : but dash about to go up
[2017-03-29 20:56:39] mark121 : run for your lives!
[2017-03-29 20:56:50] mark121 : ross is bullish on dash@!@!
[2017-03-29 21:02:17] mark121 : legend has it an entire town was wiped clean after following ross into a long dash trade
[2017-03-29 21:02:17] ross : i got 1btc on dash, so much volume, price will rise by 50% instantly
[2017-03-29 21:02:41] mark121 : u cud be right, its been quiet :]
[2017-03-29 21:02:52] mark121 : my money is on CLAM
[2017-03-29 21:04:25] mark121 : while dash seems like it cud be abandoned at anytime, ETH is a little more secure
[2017-03-29 21:04:51] mark121 : little = alot.. im stil long on ETH
[2017-03-29 21:05:06] ross : spotted a few masternode purchases, so thats always a good sign
[2017-03-29 21:05:28] mark121 : Rado: how that ETH short coming along
[2017-03-29 21:05:37] sleger : "mark121: my money is on CLAM" <= lol
[2017-03-29 21:06:08] mark121 : are u laughing at the joke? or did it go over ur head
[2017-03-29 21:08:17] mark121 : (its the latter)
[2017-03-29 21:13:25] sleger : i dont read you anymore but saw CLAM in big, just like TA, made sense coming from you
[2017-03-29 21:14:22] aguia7 : /fork
[2017-03-29 21:14:24] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 846.00 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 190.77 (-4.61%) SLQ : 6 hours, 55 mins```
[2017-03-29 21:16:55] mark121 : made sense coming from me
[2017-03-29 21:18:27] mark121 : Your over eager defensiveness and strange desire to throw out insults makes me question your experience in any of the places you claim to have worked in (no offense)
[2017-03-29 21:18:53] sleger : interestingly im not the only one attacking you
[2017-03-29 21:19:06] mark121 : id say u r
[2017-03-29 21:19:12] mark121 : unles u include rapidtrades
[2017-03-29 21:19:18] mark121 : lol.
[2017-03-29 21:19:24] Tetsuo : no mark it´s true ur an idiot
[2017-03-29 21:19:34] mark121 : U butt buddies
[2017-03-29 21:19:37] mark121 : i understand
[2017-03-29 21:20:20] sleger : hmmyeah was also making fun of you just before ?
[2017-03-29 21:20:41] mark121 : not inthe same manner
[2017-03-29 21:20:53] sleger : pardon my manners
[2017-03-29 21:21:00] sleger : but its internet
[2017-03-29 21:21:52] aguia7 : Bitcoin says: Speak evil or well, but speak of me, I am useful. https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-circumvent-economic-sanctions-iran/
[2017-03-29 21:21:54] mark121 : yet when I said somethin in this "trollbox" months ago, u were very much taking offense to me speaking as an unknown... i find that strange still
[2017-03-29 21:21:56] frog : i think hmmyeah had read a book that said TA not useful not really personal attack
[2017-03-29 21:22:08] mark121 : exactly
[2017-03-29 21:22:37] frog : everyone has different ideas
[2017-03-29 21:22:54] frog : bit doesnt mean they are stupid
[2017-03-29 21:23:56] mark121 : do u not realize that it reflects much more poorly on you sleger? your insecurity is where those come from
[2017-03-29 21:24:07] frog : mr taleb's book is very popular and good for many people to understand the concepts
[2017-03-29 21:24:32] frog : but not full explanation
[2017-03-29 21:25:22] maxrdlf95 : /rekt
[2017-03-29 21:25:23] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 2 hours, 42 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 132000 @ 1037.34 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 3 hours, 32 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 109081 @ 1045.18 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 9 hours, 45 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 100000 @ 1080.91 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ```
[2017-03-29 21:25:25] maxrdlf95 : /sentiment
[2017-03-29 21:25:28] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 40.30 / 59.70 Daily : 48.35 / 51.65 Weekly : 49.78 / 50.22 Monthly : 52.34 / 47.66```
[2017-03-29 21:25:37] maxrdlf95 : /rrekt
[2017-03-29 21:25:38] trollbot : ``` 3 all time high REKTs: ``` ``` 47 hours, 15 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: sell 1140000 @ 0.00000883 ``` ``` 305 hours, 48 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 689089 @ 1126.18 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 269 hours, 54 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 656927 @ 985.40 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ```
[2017-03-29 21:25:52] sleger : mark121: im a lot of things, but insecure, no sir
[2017-03-29 21:27:03] frog : TA is valuable tool for many reasons
[2017-03-29 21:27:12] mark121 : not self-aware either i guess :p
[2017-03-29 21:27:15] KingTuna : mark121: marks mark Eth like a slingshot
[2017-03-29 21:27:23] mark121 : yeyeye
[2017-03-29 21:27:24] frog : but not complete explanation of market behaviour
[2017-03-29 21:27:32] sleger : see who is insulting who now....
[2017-03-29 21:28:34] mark121 : im teasing and i think its obvious, henvce the emoticon
[2017-03-29 21:29:26] frog : also lack of self awareness can be valuable trait
[2017-03-29 21:31:18] sleger : for idiots so they dont feel sad, maybe
[2017-03-29 21:31:26] mark121 : valuable maybe not but certainly has utility in simplyfing ones life
[2017-03-29 21:34:26] KingTuna : Ah this Eth has made me so much. A holiday to Thailand and a new Audi.. rekitting my home. Love taking $$ from noobs :)
[2017-03-29 21:34:27] mark121 : or the exact opposite and ruin your life, complicate it to shit lhah
[2017-03-29 21:34:38] KingTuna : As well a and BTC $$$
[2017-03-29 21:34:47] mark121 : Hehe Ya Eth has been excellent
[2017-03-29 21:34:55] mark121 : Ethellent?
[2017-03-29 21:34:58] mark121 : :p
[2017-03-29 21:35:02] KingTuna : Only issue is sleep these days lol
[2017-03-29 21:35:09] KingTuna : haha yeh
[2017-03-29 21:35:32] mark121 : lol agreed
[2017-03-29 21:36:14] bingbongfly : lol I feel ya
[2017-03-29 21:36:21] bingbongfly : I'm really tired, but I love making money too much
[2017-03-29 21:36:27] mark121 : i have fond memories of good sleeps.. gona need to hibernate after this period
[2017-03-29 21:36:43] bingbongfly : I've found taking time off from time to time is really valuable
[2017-03-29 21:36:56] mark121 : burnout is real
[2017-03-29 21:36:56] bingbongfly : just gotta try to time it with the markets
[2017-03-29 21:37:01] bingbongfly : haha ye
[2017-03-29 21:37:44] mark121 : especially in reading charts, stare too much and u end up doing moreharm
[2017-03-29 21:37:45] mark121 : than good
[2017-03-29 21:37:51] mark121 : or trading in general
[2017-03-29 21:41:19] rahul : /fork
[2017-03-29 21:41:20] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 872.43 (3.12%) Bitfinex BCU : 176.58 (-7.44%) SLQ : 26 mins```
[2017-03-29 21:41:41] KingTuna : And I have regular day job, performances targets, projects, Aussie hours. On way to work now. Markets hamper ability to give 100% to job lol
[2017-03-29 21:44:06] mark121 : ah, well if u dont love ur job, go full time trader :D
[2017-03-29 21:45:28] mark121 : or dont , if u dont want to, definitely dont do a comparison of $ per hr of time spent
[2017-03-29 21:46:50] mark121 : it can really kill ur motivation to go in, and equally bad, your patience in dealing with a superior hah
[2017-03-29 21:47:12] mark121 : i work 3 or 4 days per week from home
[2017-03-29 21:52:25] mark121 : eth about to soar
[2017-03-29 21:55:12] mark121 : cud trade the fractal alone
[2017-03-29 21:56:26] mark121 : beautiful example for those of u lacking in concrete TA experience/validation,
[2017-03-29 22:00:49] hmmmYea : /spam mark121
[2017-03-29 22:01:18] MikeHunt : mark121: yup, .052 should be lift off
[2017-03-29 22:01:33] MikeHunt : .0525 *
[2017-03-29 22:05:09] mark121 : shud pickup momo b4 that and than fly through
[2017-03-29 22:05:18] mark121 : tomato tomatoe
[2017-03-29 22:05:21] mark121 : :D
[2017-03-29 22:05:42] MikeHunt : if btc goes down to 1k again then i think ull get ur wish
[2017-03-29 22:06:13] mark121 : its looking less and less necesssary
[2017-03-29 22:06:17] mark121 : but it wil certainlyt help
[2017-03-29 22:06:25] mark121 : and push it further
[2017-03-29 22:06:43] mark121 : if btc drops to similar as last time, im looking to exit margin trades over 60
[2017-03-29 22:06:52] mark121 : at the last
[2017-03-29 22:06:56] mark121 : least***
[2017-03-29 22:08:41] mark121 : less of a wish then what the chart declares mr hunt
[2017-03-29 22:30:30] mark121 : A simple example of the exceptional value added by using technical analysis... https://www.tradingview.com/x/VngcueHf/
[2017-03-29 22:33:42] premium_freak : mark121: are you trolling?
[2017-03-29 22:33:56] mark121 : ud think
[2017-03-29 22:34:11] mark121 : apparently people think TA is some conspiracy theory
[2017-03-29 22:34:36] mark121 : this is irrefutable and simple example that I used
[2017-03-29 22:40:06] hmmmYea : lol
[2017-03-29 22:40:13] mark121 : im well aware that there is no question on its utility, its like posting a chart showing that the amount of food u eat is related to the amount that comes out the other end :;p
[2017-03-29 22:41:22] hmmmYea : so the top tick from a random market order that got blasted into an empty order book proves what?
[2017-03-29 22:41:28] hmmmYea : exactly
[2017-03-29 22:41:33] mark121 : huh
[2017-03-29 22:41:43] mark121 : so u do think markets are random
[2017-03-29 22:42:42] vgck : ETH 0.07 or 0.04?
[2017-03-29 22:43:40] hmmmYea : mark121: the top tick from a flood a liquidated trades is.
[2017-03-29 22:43:41] mark121 : this allowed me to stagger my limit sell orders precisely and maximize profits - every order was filled and i didnt even need to be there..
[2017-03-29 22:44:26] mark121 : the manner is somewhat meaningless, they are still buyes and sales afterall
[2017-03-29 22:45:07] hmmmYea : spoken like someone who has never actually made markets in a chaotic market
[2017-03-29 22:45:07] mark121 : i didnt go to the top top but thats cus I knew from exp to stop a little lower to ensure I am filled etc
[2017-03-29 22:45:16] mark121 : oh boy
[2017-03-29 22:46:50] mark121 : You need to worry much less about me, and consider this irrefutable and super useful example I provided
[2017-03-29 22:47:28] mark121 : You would be laughed out of any serious meeting of traders
[2017-03-29 22:50:32] mark121 : That sounded mean, my apologies <3
[2017-03-29 22:50:55] hmmmYea : where do these serious TA-loving traders work?
[2017-03-29 22:51:24] mark121 : ive never met anyone with any talent who didnt unstand the importance and utility of TA
[2017-03-29 22:51:28] mark121 : thats not a thing
[2017-03-29 22:51:38] hmmmYea : srsly?
[2017-03-29 22:51:45] mark121 : no such thing my friend
[2017-03-29 22:52:04] hmmmYea : now im 50/50 on whether you are just trolling me
[2017-03-29 22:52:12] hmmmYea : saying that TA is serious
[2017-03-29 22:52:16] mark121 : trust me, I cant believe i had to post that
[2017-03-29 22:52:20] hmmmYea : if you are, my hat is off. very well done
[2017-03-29 22:54:05] mark121 : U have to remember that it is many many years proven time and time again , thats not a discussion anyone has
[2017-03-29 22:54:24] mark121 : its like sayin u dont believe in math
[2017-03-29 22:54:29] mark121 : and ur a math teacher
[2017-03-29 22:54:38] mark121 : lol!
[2017-03-29 22:55:12] hmmmYea : its like saying you don't believe in lucky numbers and ur a math teacher
[2017-03-29 22:58:36] mark121 : I don't even know what that means, why would a math teacher need to believe in lucky numbers?
[2017-03-29 22:58:40] hmmmYea : do you have any statistical evidence that your method works? anyone can find patterns on any price chart
[2017-03-29 22:58:44] mark121 : .. without sounding rude, this is just for your benefit and enlightenment - it isnt an argument or even combative discussion - ive given u irrefutable proof w/example
[2017-03-29 22:58:50] hmmmYea : even randomly generated prices
[2017-03-29 22:59:00] hmmmYea : you drew a picture on a chart
[2017-03-29 22:59:12] mark121 : Okay, its clear to me now
[2017-03-29 22:59:22] hmmmYea : wait a minute
[2017-03-29 22:59:28] hmmmYea : do you have a time machine?
[2017-03-29 22:59:45] hmmmYea : then know these charts would be VERY valuable
[2017-03-29 22:59:52] mark121 : I imagine a laptop would seem like sorcery to a caveman
[2017-03-29 23:00:02] mark121 : joke :)
[2017-03-29 23:00:23] mark121 : this is a chart I used BEFORE it happened obviously (before the breakout)
[2017-03-29 23:00:51] hmmmYea : you have charts that know the future?
[2017-03-29 23:00:52] mark121 : lets make this easy.. i can be sure that if u put even slight effort into looking for yourself
[2017-03-29 23:00:58] hmmmYea : then i agree
[2017-03-29 23:01:01] hmmmYea : that is the key
[2017-03-29 23:01:22] mark121 : if u want to look at it that way
[2017-03-29 23:01:29] mark121 : than yes
[2017-03-29 23:01:46] hmmmYea : but if you had a chart from the future, why did waste time drawing on it?.
[2017-03-29 23:02:40] hmmmYea : what happens if you're trading changed the chart? have you ever had a butterfly effect situation affect your profitability?:
[2017-03-29 23:02:44] mark121 : sometimes theres only 1 real possibility, other times theres more, but basically proper TA gives you a framework of possibilities
[2017-03-29 23:03:06] mark121 : but thats the point
[2017-03-29 23:03:19] Apocalyptic : Bitmex_Sam: you're around ?
[2017-03-29 23:03:35] BitMEX_Sam : Apocalyptic: Hey, what's up?
[2017-03-29 23:04:13] mark121 : there is no butterfly affect - that is again declaring ur belief in the randomness of markets
[2017-03-29 23:04:22] mark121 : but its been shown over time that markets traded by humans
[2017-03-29 23:04:30] mark121 : due to laws of nature
[2017-03-29 23:05:06] mark121 : act in this manner, its all statistics and proability
[2017-03-29 23:05:08] hmmmYea : but if you have charts future... do they know what your going trade? or do your trades change the charts?
[2017-03-29 23:05:35] mark121 : fractals and the golden rule are found through nature
[2017-03-29 23:05:49] hmmmYea : hahahahahahahah
[2017-03-29 23:05:54] Apocalyptic : Just to let you know that your sample market maker ws-thread module is sometimes reporting executions that did not occur
[2017-03-29 23:05:59] mark121 : i dont trade markets that i move on my own, market caps are too small
[2017-03-29 23:06:16] hmmmYea : you know what else is found in nature?
[2017-03-29 23:06:19] hmmmYea : gophers
[2017-03-29 23:06:22] mark121 : oh boy
[2017-03-29 23:06:27] hmmmYea : but they don't help you trade at all
[2017-03-29 23:06:53] mark121 : im not trying to be a dick, but you now are sounding extremely foolish and superbly ignorant
[2017-03-29 23:07:07] mark121 : a dick lol i meant a cock
[2017-03-29 23:07:13] Apocalyptic : I'm investigating why exactly but it seems to be some edge case in the way you're checking for it lines 262 - 263
[2017-03-29 23:07:27] hmmmYea : i dont understand how something being found in nature makes that thing more likely to be a profitable trading strategy
[2017-03-29 23:07:28] mark121 : honeslty my friend, its all <3
[2017-03-29 23:07:35] mark121 : are we not part of nature
[2017-03-29 23:07:45] mark121 : is math not the universal language?
[2017-03-29 23:08:35] BitMEX_Sam : Apocalyptic: So you're seeing an execution of 0 contracts?
[2017-03-29 23:08:55] hmmmYea : is there a assertion causal relationship coming at some point? or is that the meat of the argument
[2017-03-29 23:09:03] mark121 : oh boy
[2017-03-29 23:09:32] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: last such occurence in the logs is 5 executions of ORDER_START_SIZE at the same second
[2017-03-29 23:09:41] ubba : BREAKING NEWS
[2017-03-29 23:09:42] mark121 : Please dont do that, I know you think it sounds intelligent to do so but it does not apply at al
[2017-03-29 23:09:51] Apocalyptic : which price levels matching the one I was quoting at that moment
[2017-03-29 23:09:58] ubba : kraken got hacked?
[2017-03-29 23:11:16] hmmmYea : mark121: you realize this argument was the basis for the movie pi
[2017-03-29 23:12:08] mark121 : I envy that you get to discover these things for the first time
[2017-03-29 23:12:22] mark121 : it really wil enrich your trading and life in general
[2017-03-29 23:12:57] mark121 : as i was saying, I can guarantee that with the slightest effort you will see validation
[2017-03-29 23:13:05] hmmmYea : i dont think you understand this game
[2017-03-29 23:13:13] mark121 : oh gosh..
[2017-03-29 23:13:17] hmmmYea : markets, not the game of this conversation
[2017-03-29 23:13:48] mark121 : This must be a troll
[2017-03-29 23:14:11] hmmmYea : at this point in history TA is just bait for suckers sold by disingenuous con men
[2017-03-29 23:14:39] mark121 : oh boy
[2017-03-29 23:15:13] mark121 : this has to be a troll.. no1 is that ignorant lol
[2017-03-29 23:15:23] hmmmYea : what planet are you from?
[2017-03-29 23:15:26] mark121 : u got me
[2017-03-29 23:15:45] hmmmYea : show the successful technical analysis empires
[2017-03-29 23:15:55] hmmmYea : they don't exist
[2017-03-29 23:15:57] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: so it looks like updateData['leavesQty'] was 0, although the orders weren't touched, far from it
[2017-03-29 23:16:00] mark121 : thats like saying show the successful breathing empires
[2017-03-29 23:16:01] hmmmYea : why doint they exist?
[2017-03-29 23:16:09] mark121 : they do, there are few that dont
[2017-03-29 23:16:10] hmmmYea : no, its not all
[2017-03-29 23:16:13] hmmmYea : at all
[2017-03-29 23:16:17] mark121 : even algos analyze price and volume
[2017-03-29 23:16:26] hmmmYea : markets exist to serve the needs of customers
[2017-03-29 23:16:39] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: and it occured < 100ms after amending my quotes, so maybe there's a race condition somewhere
[2017-03-29 23:16:45] mark121 : Kk u got me with ur trolling
[2017-03-29 23:17:17] BitMEX_Sam : Will look into it
[2017-03-29 23:17:27] ubba : I will also look into it
[2017-03-29 23:17:29] mark121 : if yu arent trolling, i would seriously seriously suggest self analyze or meditate on the topic
[2017-03-29 23:17:31] hmmmYea : TA is just game played on top of the markets to sell stuff to suckers
[2017-03-29 23:18:02] ubba : MACD is a reliable indicator
[2017-03-29 23:18:07] hmmmYea : some it approaches liquidity providing
[2017-03-29 23:18:10] ubba : well depends what time frame you use it on
[2017-03-29 23:18:15] ubba : like 5 min charts or 1 min
[2017-03-29 23:18:38] mark121 : One line sentences that write-off a vast and confirmed subject make the speaker seem infinitely stupid
[2017-03-29 23:18:52] mark121 : anyhow
[2017-03-29 23:19:00] mark121 : I cannot believe that u arnet joking
[2017-03-29 23:19:05] mark121 : truly i cannot -
[2017-03-29 23:19:06] hmmmYea : ubba: i mean some stuff just tells when there's been a short term imbalance of buyers and sellers. if you want to learn that stuff w/ MACD..ok go for it
[2017-03-29 23:19:21] mark121 : u dont kno wwhat u r talking about
[2017-03-29 23:19:26] mark121 : u need to accept that
[2017-03-29 23:19:30] hmmmYea : confirmed by whom?
[2017-03-29 23:19:45] mark121 : otherwise u will never evolve, or grow
[2017-03-29 23:20:10] mark121 : your attitude is the most dangerous for a trader, insane self assurance in light of fact
[2017-03-29 23:20:23] hmmmYea : mark121: you keep appealing to your authority, but you cant actually make an argument
[2017-03-29 23:20:31] hmmmYea : oddly, like most TA experts
[2017-03-29 23:20:49] mark121 : I think u had a stroke maybe, remember the visual example
[2017-03-29 23:20:59] mark121 : in addition to the arguments, the "meat" as it were
[2017-03-29 23:21:04] hmmmYea : 1 trade doesnt mean anything
[2017-03-29 23:21:08] mark121 : i didnt just give a slice or two, i butched half the damn forest
[2017-03-29 23:21:30] hmmmYea : if it does, it means you are trading enough to know whether you are winning or losing
[2017-03-29 23:21:32] mark121 : You areignorant and unfortunately nothing will change your opinion
[2017-03-29 23:21:35] hmmmYea : you arent*
[2017-03-29 23:23:21] mark121 : tis why u must be trolling, I cannot accept that any fellow human could be so.. thick headed --
[2017-03-29 23:23:56] hmmmYea : you cant trade if you're not open to new ideas
[2017-03-29 23:24:11] hmmmYea : but your ideas are old... not interesting... not even explained all that well
[2017-03-29 23:24:26] mark121 : and no, none of what u say, or cu dsay, would prove yourself correct so save the effort (assuming u rent trolling, but u are) <3 i tried, i think il go to heaven from my patience for a fellow man
[2017-03-29 23:24:27] hmmmYea : i could do a better job playing devil's advocate, tbh
[2017-03-29 23:24:55] mark121 : May I ask how old you are?
[2017-03-29 23:25:02] hmmmYea : what am i trying to prove? i just asked you if you had any evidence for your claim
[2017-03-29 23:25:24] hmmmYea : and its been some nonsense about golden means and fractals and pi and astrological signs
[2017-03-29 23:25:42] hmmmYea : dont give out personal info in trollboxes
[2017-03-29 23:25:47] mark121 : Are you a slug?
[2017-03-29 23:25:52] mark121 : Look into it
[2017-03-29 23:25:56] mark121 : Ive given u more than enuf
[2017-03-29 23:26:06] hmmmYea : you gave one drawing on a chart
[2017-03-29 23:26:09] mark121 : Alas, you are the gatekeeper to rationality
[2017-03-29 23:26:14] hmmmYea : what could tha possibility prove?
[2017-03-29 23:26:35] mark121 : In person maybe id try to beat it into you, in a group ud be so riduculed that ud likely accept ur error
[2017-03-29 23:26:46] mark121 : but here on the internet
[2017-03-29 23:26:58] mark121 : I cannot penetrate the veil of ignorance
[2017-03-29 23:27:00] BitMEX_Sam : Apocalyptic: I've pushed an update that should fix the spurious logging
[2017-03-29 23:27:51] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: that was blazing fast, thanks
[2017-03-29 23:27:55] hmmmYea : just try using evidence
[2017-03-29 23:28:00] hmmmYea : you may have more success
[2017-03-29 23:28:02] Apocalyptic : will let you know if it fixes the issue
[2017-03-29 23:28:13] hmmmYea : rather than appealing to your status as a guru
[2017-03-29 23:28:32] mark121 : hehe
[2017-03-29 23:28:47] mark121 : I did my part, the choice is yours young padawan <3
[2017-03-29 23:30:03] hmmmYea : i think wheelchairjuice is crazy, but i at least respect his position on you
[2017-03-29 23:31:24] frog : i think book has had major impact on hmmmyea thinking
[2017-03-29 23:31:39] mark121 : Heh, I have given more credence to your idiocy than 99% would, I gave u effort and time -
[2017-03-29 23:32:27] hmmmYea : nice, a dear john letter
[2017-03-29 23:32:39] hmmmYea : thats cute
[2017-03-29 23:33:17] mark121 : You re a lost cause and until now, I had never encountered someone as foolish and ignorant - I hope you are under 18
[2017-03-29 23:33:26] mark121 : eventhat isnt an excuse
[2017-03-29 23:33:36] mark121 : I take it back, sorry to anyone under 18
[2017-03-29 23:35:12] frog : does anyone believe markets are random?
[2017-03-29 23:35:23] mark121 : Not only only that, but I actually gave u the time, I believed in you and you completely missed the mark -- one day you will shudder when you tihnk of this (i hope)
[2017-03-29 23:35:27] mark121 : i think he does
[2017-03-29 23:35:33] mark121 : "butterfly effect"
[2017-03-29 23:35:35] mark121 : LOL
[2017-03-29 23:35:35] frog : and he trade crypto
[2017-03-29 23:35:57] mark121 : yet laughsoff fractals and the golden ratio
[2017-03-29 23:36:08] hmmmYea : ok 1. i wouldnt be trading if i thought markets were random. 2. the butterfly effect refers to a chaotic system not a random one
[2017-03-29 23:36:10] mark121 : ancient humans understood the golden ratio
[2017-03-29 23:36:14] hmmmYea : 2.*
[2017-03-29 23:36:32] hmmmYea : oh thats sound germane
[2017-03-29 23:36:37] frog : markets not random
[2017-03-29 23:36:47] mark121 : How old are you?
[2017-03-29 23:36:50] mark121 : please be honesyt
[2017-03-29 23:36:53] hmmmYea : you still need to explain the gopher paradox
[2017-03-29 23:36:59] frog : but can appear random
[2017-03-29 23:37:02] mark121 : nothing can be explained to you
[2017-03-29 23:37:15] hmmmYea : gophers are found in nature, but not useful for trading
[2017-03-29 23:37:19] hmmmYea : how is that possible?
[2017-03-29 23:37:52] mark121 : that is correct, beacuse tey are furry roden like mammals - fractals and golden ratio on the other hand can be expressed numerically
[2017-03-29 23:38:03] mark121 : boom
[2017-03-29 23:38:05] frog : if trading small animals knowledge of gophner popularion may be useful
[2017-03-29 23:38:12] mark121 : and yet somehow u wil not understand my answer llol
[2017-03-29 23:38:36] mark121 : LOL
[2017-03-29 23:38:40] mark121 : <3
[2017-03-29 23:39:57] mark121 : i think that was the checkmate even tho there was never two sides to this debate
[2017-03-29 23:40:11] mark121 : dinnertime
[2017-03-29 23:41:57] frog : i think time to toss a coin and decide my next trade
[2017-03-29 23:44:32] mark121 : olol
[2017-03-29 23:46:30] frog : i think there shuold be a follow up book when apparaent randomness is not rally random
[2017-03-29 23:46:37] frog : but would need better title
[2017-03-29 23:47:16] mark121 : "The Dangers of Trading Near Butterflies"
[2017-03-29 23:48:53] frog : imo markets operate as the sum of many discrete 2 player games
[2017-03-29 23:49:56] mark121 : A Non-Critical Thinkers guide to Tornadoes, Paper Shredders, Small Mammals and Markets: Trick Question their all the same thing"
[2017-03-29 23:50:07] mark121 : Too wordy
[2017-03-29 23:50:26] frog : tornados is good
[2017-03-29 23:51:09] mark121 : i like it., simple and direct
[2017-03-29 23:52:28] frog : with markets such as bitcoin there appears to be co-operation between some of the players which can be effectivley described as manipulation
[2017-03-29 23:54:33] frog : im interested in finding situations where co-operation is likely
[2017-03-29 23:54:45] frog : and tailing it
[2017-03-29 23:55:10] mark121 : it may simply havebeen a set of conditions agreed upon once and thus elimates the need for any more collusion cooperation or cooridnation
[2017-03-29 23:55:40] frog : maybe planned, agreed or tacit
[2017-03-29 23:56:06] mark121 : when the first apple on the tree rots, dump your apples on to the market
[2017-03-29 23:57:28] mark121 : altho it wud assume a communcal apple tree that all big apple sellers are able to see at the same time :P
[2017-03-29 23:57:33] frog : my view is money flows from whales and retail traders to larger players
[2017-03-29 23:57:52] mark121 : whales are the bigger players
[2017-03-29 23:57:54] frog : or a bat signal type arrangement
[2017-03-29 23:57:58] mark121 : well least in my mind
[2017-03-29 23:58:12] mark121 : obviousl u have minke whales
[2017-03-29 23:58:16] mark121 : and then u have blue wales
[2017-03-29 23:58:18] frog : im not sure of correct jargon
[2017-03-29 23:58:27] frog : but larger gambler types
[2017-03-29 23:59:08] mark121 : Aye, potential institutions altho there isnt much diference in crypto as some people who got in early would still have more than even institutions who got in super late
[2017-03-30 00:01:18] frog : there are way more people with long interest than short but there is a lot I don;t know thats for sure
[2017-03-30 00:01:53] frog : but market moves in absence of news
[2017-03-30 00:07:17] ubba : BREAKING NEWS
[2017-03-30 00:07:18] ubba : I REPEAT
[2017-03-30 00:07:22] ubba : BREAKING NEWS
[2017-03-30 00:07:29] mark121 : loool
[2017-03-30 00:07:53] frog : except for ubba's regular announcments
[2017-03-30 00:08:10] mark121 : ubba's back, back again
[2017-03-30 00:08:50] ubba : yep
[2017-03-30 00:11:17] ubba : LPT: increase the leverage to 100x to make more money
[2017-03-30 00:12:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 400 @ 1047.05
[2017-03-30 00:15:01] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: running your update, it just happened twice again, always just after a bulk amending
[2017-03-30 00:15:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 5500 @ 1051.23
[2017-03-30 00:15:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHJ17`: sell 50 @ 0.049680
[2017-03-30 00:15:57] Apocalyptic : what may be relevant is that the price reported in the execution line is the old price of all orders before amending
[2017-03-30 00:16:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHJ17`: sell 5 @ 0.049380
[2017-03-30 00:19:13] Apocalyptic : it happens just after a legitimate fill and a new order is created as well
[2017-03-30 00:22:31] mark121 : buy ETHnow
[2017-03-30 00:22:44] mark121 : lat chance at this price
[2017-03-30 00:22:45] thxforyourbtc! : People will realize a month or so from now how stupid it was buying these alts lol. BTC will be at new highs
[2017-03-30 00:22:48] mark121 : may b*
[2017-03-30 00:22:52] Rado : mark121: ha ha
[2017-03-30 00:23:00] Rado : last chance at this price is right
[2017-03-30 00:23:04] Rado : lower prices coming
[2017-03-30 00:23:23] mark121 : Hehe, I guess i infact read the chart correct
[2017-03-30 00:23:24] thxforyourbtc! : Rado: lmao indeed
[2017-03-30 00:23:55] mark121 : as it was near your entry again
[2017-03-30 00:24:00] mark121 : u cud have closed and reopened
[2017-03-30 00:24:15] mark121 : Rado, are you MM for eth?
[2017-03-30 00:24:17] Rado : true
[2017-03-30 00:24:22] Rado : no
[2017-03-30 00:24:27] mark121 : ah
[2017-03-30 00:24:57] thxforyourbtc! : All in alts?
[2017-03-30 00:27:23] mark121 : heh rado is ur short open still?
[2017-03-30 00:28:01] mark121 : there cud be no more, max 1 more little dip but wont make ur target
[2017-03-30 00:28:16] billyboy4022 : any one know how to remove all the "CLEAR" button on my active order so they never show
[2017-03-30 00:28:22] mark121 : (i say in a helpful spirit heeh )
[2017-03-30 00:29:18] mark121 : but if u plan to hold the pos for a while thats diff
[2017-03-30 00:39:41] herpinator : dam I love listening to ghost he is so funny
[2017-03-30 00:39:51] herpinator : anyone else here listen to ghost?
[2017-03-30 00:40:42] herpinator : Rado: please tell me you took profit, I hit my target and did good on that
[2017-03-30 00:41:00] rapidgains : ghost?
[2017-03-30 00:41:22] herpinator : rapidgains: yeh you'd enjoy him I think hes so funny
[2017-03-30 00:41:27] herpinator : http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ghost/2017/03/23/true-capitalist-radio-hosted-by-ghost--episode-476
[2017-03-30 00:41:52] foobar : wow, 3 days of negative funding rate
[2017-03-30 00:41:55] herpinator : the way he says nasdaq cracks me up
[2017-03-30 00:45:23] thxforyourbtc! : foobar: always like that before a big runup
[2017-03-30 00:46:12] jezeus : whats up with the XBTUSD orderbook?
[2017-03-30 00:46:25] jezeus : trades are 1047 but buy/sell are 1051
[2017-03-30 00:48:44] rapidgains : refresh
[2017-03-30 00:51:05] Rado : herpinator: i closed 1011
[2017-03-30 00:51:13] Rado : opened a long at 1016
[2017-03-30 00:51:16] herpinator : Rado: gj
[2017-03-30 00:51:42] herpinator : Rado: I made too much after that so I didn't make another trade but I saw that entry point too!
[2017-03-30 00:52:32] herpinator : Rado: what did you close the long at?
[2017-03-30 00:52:39] herpinator : if you dont mind me asking
[2017-03-30 00:52:50] ubba : i closed it at 1050
[2017-03-30 00:54:02] herpinator : Rado: = @ubba ?
[2017-03-30 00:54:11] ubba : oh fuck wrong account
[2017-03-30 00:54:18] herpinator : ubba: wew
[2017-03-30 00:54:22] herpinator : we know your secret now
[2017-03-30 00:57:08] aguia7 : https://media.giphy.com/media/xNT2CcLjhbI0U/giphy.gif
[2017-03-30 00:57:20] herpinator : lol
[2017-03-30 00:57:49] aguia7 : https://media.giphy.com/media/GpUeJjdxvTIek/giphy.gif
[2017-03-30 01:00:04] ubba : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whScRekesJ4
[2017-03-30 01:00:07] ubba : what did he mean by this?
[2017-03-30 01:04:55] aguia7 : XD XD XD KKKKKKKKKKKK HAHAHA
[2017-03-30 01:05:28] aguia7 : sAved link XD
[2017-03-30 01:05:38] aguia7 : GOOD for point bulls
[2017-03-30 01:06:27] thxforyourbtc! : short mega rekts incoming!!
[2017-03-30 01:07:02] thxforyourbtc! : and long mega mega rekts incoming in the alts
[2017-03-30 01:09:12] hh : Buy RIPPLE!
[2017-03-30 01:15:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 970 @ 0.004160