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<< >> English 中文 Русский 한국어 日本語 Español Français [2017-03-29 20:27:13] hmmmYea : if you can actually make the money you dont sell the method [2017-03-29 20:27:13] mark121 : same [2017-03-29 20:27:17] hmmmYea : you just make the money [2017-03-29 20:27:19] mark121 : cept present tense [2017-03-29 20:27:24] mark121 : lmao [2017-03-29 20:28:01] mark121 : There are macro folks and there are analysts and their are sentiment guys but the best take cues from all 3 [2017-03-29 20:28:42] hmmmYea : ahhh yes. and who is the biggest TA trading shop in the world? [2017-03-29 20:28:55] hmmmYea : oh yea, wait. it doesnt even exist [2017-03-29 20:29:09] hmmmYea : its just a bunch of guys selling it from twitter accounts [2017-03-29 20:29:13] mark121 : some of our hottest hands use TA for the majority of their picks (then again, with algo trading, and in the style that fnds trade incl. time horizons) it is completely different than a guy like you trading [2017-03-29 20:29:15] sleger : its probably one of the trader around here that hasnt disappeared yet [2017-03-29 20:29:19] sleger : or alejandromasari [2017-03-29 20:29:33] hmmmYea : some of our hottest hands? [2017-03-29 20:29:36] mark121 : its complete ignorance [2017-03-29 20:29:37] hmmmYea : what does that even mean [2017-03-29 20:29:51] mark121 : the guys who makes the best picks at the office [2017-03-29 20:29:58] hmmmYea : you work at a bucket shop? [2017-03-29 20:29:59] mark121 : anyhow [2017-03-29 20:30:17] hmmmYea : if you have to pay money to get a job, its not a real job. its a scam [2017-03-29 20:30:20] mark121 : i work at a large fund actually [2017-03-29 20:30:23] mark121 : lmao [2017-03-29 20:30:45] mark121 : i think its clear if u have to pay for ur job [2017-03-29 20:30:57] mark121 : u shud probably find a new job :p [2017-03-29 20:31:03] hmmmYea : most TA jobs require the enrollees to pay [2017-03-29 20:31:11] mark121 : whaaat! [2017-03-29 20:31:13] mark121 : jesus [2017-03-29 20:31:19] hmmmYea : i have never worked a trading shop with "hot hands" [2017-03-29 20:31:28] mark121 : k ya, allow me to try and make a point that explains this strangeness [2017-03-29 20:31:55] mark121 : its a lack of understanding of what TA is ssuppose to be [2017-03-29 20:32:13] hmmmYea : isnt TA just the stuff that make the dumb clients want to trade? [2017-03-29 20:32:19] hmmmYea : what is it to you? [2017-03-29 20:32:27] rapidtrades : mark shut the hell up ur clueless [2017-03-29 20:32:28] mark121 : TA is everything tyo do with price and volume [2017-03-29 20:32:36] hmmmYea : lol [2017-03-29 20:32:38] mark121 : rapidtrades: shush kid [2017-03-29 20:32:56] hmmmYea : no its not [2017-03-29 20:33:00] mark121 : u learned markets were manipulated 2 weeks ago -- anyway it amazes me it really does [2017-03-29 20:33:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMRJ17`: buy 2 @ 0.019363 [2017-03-29 20:33:09] mark121 : yes it is exactly actually lol [2017-03-29 20:33:19] hmmmYea : that is an overly broad definition [2017-03-29 20:33:24] mark121 : not at all [2017-03-29 20:33:48] mark121 : TA is price and volume, macro is all else cept sentiment which iss more or less its ownthing nowadays [2017-03-29 20:33:54] mark121 : point is [2017-03-29 20:34:07] mark121 : nothing tells u the future with certainty [2017-03-29 20:34:11] hmmmYea : thanks for that education. [2017-03-29 20:34:13] rapidtrades : LTC segwit down to 25% lol [2017-03-29 20:34:18] mark121 : clearly [2017-03-29 20:34:19] hmmmYea : oh really? [2017-03-29 20:34:24] hmmmYea : nothing tells the future? [2017-03-29 20:34:44] mark121 : not sure wher eur going with this [2017-03-29 20:35:15] hmmmYea : your sitting here explaining to me that trades are bets, as if you think thats an important point [2017-03-29 20:35:26] mark121 : ... [2017-03-29 20:35:46] mark121 : You seem awfully .. defensive.. i was merely enlightening you [2017-03-29 20:35:52] mark121 : if u dont want to accept it [2017-03-29 20:35:53] rapidtrades : mark stop spewing ur newbishness all over this chat [2017-03-29 20:35:55] mark121 : thats fine to me [2017-03-29 20:36:00] mark121 : rapidtrades: <3 u 2 [2017-03-29 20:36:09] mark121 : U asked [2017-03-29 20:36:10] hmmmYea : i feel like you just watched wall street warriors and are regurging it to me [2017-03-29 20:36:12] mark121 : I told u [2017-03-29 20:36:27] mark121 : i cant stand videos [2017-03-29 20:36:35] mark121 : im a textbook guy [2017-03-29 20:37:08] mark121 : without expeirence all of it is worthless, overtime u see that each instrument has its own.. tendencies [2017-03-29 20:37:11] hmmmYea : whats one book that has edgy knowledge in it? [2017-03-29 20:37:37] herpinator : hmmmYea: book of medieval torture [2017-03-29 20:37:38] hmmmYea : i feel like you are trapped in the 1980s [2017-03-29 20:37:39] mark121 : Edgy? This is TA, not the Gospel of Thomas [2017-03-29 20:37:49] mark121 : again.. [2017-03-29 20:37:52] hmmmYea : mark121: edge. expected value [2017-03-29 20:38:05] hmmmYea : are you familiar with that concept? [2017-03-29 20:38:12] mark121 : these are things that are constantly reinforced and clearly seen [2017-03-29 20:38:22] mark121 : let me ask u something [2017-03-29 20:39:17] mark121 : Until 1180 or (the rally beyond 1200) - had you not used the fractal self similarity to kno the trend? it was as close to a map as possible [2017-03-29 20:39:32] hmmmYea : lol [2017-03-29 20:39:34] mark121 : and incredibly profitable [2017-03-29 20:39:42] hmmmYea : fractals [2017-03-29 20:40:10] hmmmYea : you should read this book [2017-03-29 20:40:13] mark121 : il jus say this then, ive seen this weird attitude from crypto folks [2017-03-29 20:40:19] sleger : there was once a trader named fractals [2017-03-29 20:40:25] sleger : he lasted a whole week ! [2017-03-29 20:40:33] mark121 : u cud really learn a alot if u just accepted that u have more to know [2017-03-29 20:41:13] hmmmYea : i was gonna send you a link for fooled by randomness [2017-03-29 20:41:16] mark121 : do u kno how foolish that sounds to someone (and many friends of mine) who made a killing on it [2017-03-29 20:41:23] hmmmYea : then realized it was written by nntalib [2017-03-29 20:41:35] hmmmYea : dont want to embarrass myself [2017-03-29 20:42:01] hmmmYea : mark121: congrats on winning 1 bet [2017-03-29 20:42:06] hmmmYea : must feel amazing [2017-03-29 20:42:08] mark121 : huh [2017-03-29 20:42:14] hmmmYea : your fractal bet [2017-03-29 20:42:17] mark121 : Why does TA make u angry [2017-03-29 20:42:19] hmmmYea : great job [2017-03-29 20:42:31] mark121 : it intrigues me.. this attitude [2017-03-29 20:42:42] mark121 : in the past, usually people just saw bad TA and assumed all TA was bad [2017-03-29 20:42:51] hmmmYea : im just having fun with you. [2017-03-29 20:43:04] hmmmYea : TA is for suckers [2017-03-29 20:43:08] mark121 : quite frankly if u used tradingview, i wouldnt blame u [2017-03-29 20:43:24] mark121 : worst TA force the most part.. [2017-03-29 20:43:44] mark121 : overconfident, under-informed "TA"ers are a dime a dozen [2017-03-29 20:43:53] rapidtrades : the point of fooled by randomness isn't that markets are random [2017-03-29 20:44:23] rapidtrades : just in case you didn't catch that [2017-03-29 20:44:38] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: if i thought markets were random, would i be trading at all? [2017-03-29 20:44:47] mark121 : (i assume he got out of it what he wanted to, or thought in the first place) [2017-03-29 20:45:33] rapidtrades : hmmmYea: you would if ur an idiot [2017-03-29 20:45:51] hmmmYea : +1 [2017-03-29 20:46:09] hmmmYea : mark121: so back to my question, who are the TA billionaires? [2017-03-29 20:46:29] mark121 : who are the "TA is bullshit billionaires?" [2017-03-29 20:46:32] mark121 : the question is moot [2017-03-29 20:46:46] hmmmYea : literally everyone [2017-03-29 20:46:56] mark121 : look, im not tryin to win an argument, as this is factual stuff [2017-03-29 20:47:00] mark121 : point is [2017-03-29 20:47:14] sleger : u just have the wrong definition of TA [2017-03-29 20:47:19] hmmmYea : mark121: no, if TA was this golden goose, there would be a whole subset of TA billionaires [2017-03-29 20:47:27] mark121 : thats it! [2017-03-29 20:47:33] hmmmYea : just there are arb billionaires, quant billionaires [2017-03-29 20:47:36] mark121 : its not a golden goose [2017-03-29 20:47:41] hmmmYea : fundamental analyst billionaires [2017-03-29 20:47:48] mark121 : its information [2017-03-29 20:48:10] hmmmYea : edgeless information. it woulda made someone really rich [2017-03-29 20:48:34] hmmmYea : it used to work before people used computers, but not in the last 25 years [2017-03-29 20:48:40] mark121 : im not some TA only guy, ive made great trades without looking at the chart, [2017-03-29 20:49:04] mark121 : im more about using whatever works or helps [2017-03-29 20:49:23] hmmmYea : edge doesnt care who you are or how you feel [2017-03-29 20:49:33] mark121 : i have no great love of TA or anything , its a set of tools on a tool bet of trend idenfication [2017-03-29 20:49:41] mark121 : belt* [2017-03-29 20:49:57] rapidtrades : there's very little edge in entries by themselves, this is all level one thinking [2017-03-29 20:50:14] mark121 : that really doesnt make sense [2017-03-29 20:50:24] ross : rapidtrades: you're back [2017-03-29 20:50:39] rapidtrades : it will in 5 years don't worry mark...if u live that long [2017-03-29 20:50:42] mark121 : it sounds good [2017-03-29 20:50:46] mark121 : no [2017-03-29 20:51:01] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: is it cheering bt entry and exit that creates edge? [2017-03-29 20:51:06] mark121 : it means nothing [2017-03-29 20:51:36] mark121 : too general and obviously not always the case [2017-03-29 20:52:57] rapidtrades : hmmmYea: exits, risk control, position sizing, diversification, portfolio construction etc [2017-03-29 20:53:03] mark121 : its like a chain, a lose portion and the whole trade is in jeopardy [2017-03-29 20:53:15] rapidtrades : there's lot of layers to this game [2017-03-29 20:53:18] mark121 : talk about level one :p [2017-03-29 20:54:53] rapidtrades : level one is newbs chasing the one perfect system [2017-03-29 20:55:01] mark121 : that is correct. [2017-03-29 20:55:19] mark121 : and it seems ppl think TA is meant to be that [2017-03-29 20:56:17] ross : i know u guys love me saying it [2017-03-29 20:56:24] ross : but dash about to go up [2017-03-29 20:56:39] mark121 : run for your lives! [2017-03-29 20:56:50] mark121 : ross is bullish on dash@!@! [2017-03-29 21:02:17] mark121 : legend has it an entire town was wiped clean after following ross into a long dash trade [2017-03-29 21:02:17] ross : i got 1btc on dash, so much volume, price will rise by 50% instantly [2017-03-29 21:02:41] mark121 : u cud be right, its been quiet :] [2017-03-29 21:02:52] mark121 : my money is on CLAM [2017-03-29 21:04:25] mark121 : while dash seems like it cud be abandoned at anytime, ETH is a little more secure [2017-03-29 21:04:51] mark121 : little = alot.. im stil long on ETH [2017-03-29 21:05:06] ross : spotted a few masternode purchases, so thats always a good sign [2017-03-29 21:05:28] mark121 : Rado: how that ETH short coming along [2017-03-29 21:05:37] sleger : "mark121: my money is on CLAM" <= lol [2017-03-29 21:06:08] mark121 : are u laughing at the joke? or did it go over ur head [2017-03-29 21:08:17] mark121 : (its the latter) [2017-03-29 21:13:25] sleger : i dont read you anymore but saw CLAM in big, just like TA, made sense coming from you [2017-03-29 21:14:22] aguia7 : /fork [2017-03-29 21:14:24] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 846.00 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 190.77 (-4.61%) SLQ : 6 hours, 55 mins``` [2017-03-29 21:16:55] mark121 : made sense coming from me [2017-03-29 21:18:27] mark121 : Your over eager defensiveness and strange desire to throw out insults makes me question your experience in any of the places you claim to have worked in (no offense) [2017-03-29 21:18:53] sleger : interestingly im not the only one attacking you [2017-03-29 21:19:06] mark121 : id say u r [2017-03-29 21:19:12] mark121 : unles u include rapidtrades [2017-03-29 21:19:18] mark121 : lol. [2017-03-29 21:19:24] Tetsuo : no mark it´s true ur an idiot [2017-03-29 21:19:34] mark121 : U butt buddies [2017-03-29 21:19:37] mark121 : i understand [2017-03-29 21:20:20] sleger : hmmyeah was also making fun of you just before ? [2017-03-29 21:20:41] mark121 : not inthe same manner [2017-03-29 21:20:53] sleger : pardon my manners [2017-03-29 21:21:00] sleger : but its internet [2017-03-29 21:21:52] aguia7 : Bitcoin says: Speak evil or well, but speak of me, I am useful. https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-circumvent-economic-sanctions-iran/ [2017-03-29 21:21:54] mark121 : yet when I said somethin in this "trollbox" months ago, u were very much taking offense to me speaking as an unknown... i find that strange still [2017-03-29 21:21:56] frog : i think hmmyeah had read a book that said TA not useful not really personal attack [2017-03-29 21:22:08] mark121 : exactly [2017-03-29 21:22:37] frog : everyone has different ideas [2017-03-29 21:22:54] frog : bit doesnt mean they are stupid [2017-03-29 21:23:56] mark121 : do u not realize that it reflects much more poorly on you sleger? your insecurity is where those come from [2017-03-29 21:24:07] frog : mr taleb's book is very popular and good for many people to understand the concepts [2017-03-29 21:24:32] frog : but not full explanation [2017-03-29 21:25:22] maxrdlf95 : /rekt [2017-03-29 21:25:23] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 2 hours, 42 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 132000 @ 1037.34 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 3 hours, 32 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 109081 @ 1045.18 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 9 hours, 45 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 100000 @ 1080.91 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` [2017-03-29 21:25:25] maxrdlf95 : /sentiment [2017-03-29 21:25:28] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 40.30 / 59.70 Daily : 48.35 / 51.65 Weekly : 49.78 / 50.22 Monthly : 52.34 / 47.66``` [2017-03-29 21:25:37] maxrdlf95 : /rrekt [2017-03-29 21:25:38] trollbot : ``` 3 all time high REKTs: ``` ``` 47 hours, 15 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: sell 1140000 @ 0.00000883 ``` ``` 305 hours, 48 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 689089 @ 1126.18 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 269 hours, 54 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 656927 @ 985.40 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` [2017-03-29 21:25:52] sleger : mark121: im a lot of things, but insecure, no sir [2017-03-29 21:27:03] frog : TA is valuable tool for many reasons [2017-03-29 21:27:12] mark121 : not self-aware either i guess :p [2017-03-29 21:27:15] KingTuna : mark121: marks mark Eth like a slingshot [2017-03-29 21:27:23] mark121 : yeyeye [2017-03-29 21:27:24] frog : but not complete explanation of market behaviour [2017-03-29 21:27:32] sleger : see who is insulting who now.... [2017-03-29 21:28:34] mark121 : im teasing and i think its obvious, henvce the emoticon [2017-03-29 21:29:26] frog : also lack of self awareness can be valuable trait [2017-03-29 21:31:18] sleger : for idiots so they dont feel sad, maybe [2017-03-29 21:31:26] mark121 : valuable maybe not but certainly has utility in simplyfing ones life [2017-03-29 21:34:26] KingTuna : Ah this Eth has made me so much. A holiday to Thailand and a new Audi.. rekitting my home. Love taking $$ from noobs :) [2017-03-29 21:34:27] mark121 : or the exact opposite and ruin your life, complicate it to shit lhah [2017-03-29 21:34:38] KingTuna : As well a and BTC $$$ [2017-03-29 21:34:47] mark121 : Hehe Ya Eth has been excellent [2017-03-29 21:34:55] mark121 : Ethellent? [2017-03-29 21:34:58] mark121 : :p [2017-03-29 21:35:02] KingTuna : Only issue is sleep these days lol [2017-03-29 21:35:09] KingTuna : haha yeh [2017-03-29 21:35:32] mark121 : lol agreed [2017-03-29 21:36:14] bingbongfly : lol I feel ya [2017-03-29 21:36:21] bingbongfly : I'm really tired, but I love making money too much [2017-03-29 21:36:27] mark121 : i have fond memories of good sleeps.. gona need to hibernate after this period [2017-03-29 21:36:43] bingbongfly : I've found taking time off from time to time is really valuable [2017-03-29 21:36:56] mark121 : burnout is real [2017-03-29 21:36:56] bingbongfly : just gotta try to time it with the markets [2017-03-29 21:37:01] bingbongfly : haha ye [2017-03-29 21:37:44] mark121 : especially in reading charts, stare too much and u end up doing moreharm [2017-03-29 21:37:45] mark121 : than good [2017-03-29 21:37:51] mark121 : or trading in general [2017-03-29 21:41:19] rahul : /fork [2017-03-29 21:41:20] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 872.43 (3.12%) Bitfinex BCU : 176.58 (-7.44%) SLQ : 26 mins``` [2017-03-29 21:41:41] KingTuna : And I have regular day job, performances targets, projects, Aussie hours. On way to work now. Markets hamper ability to give 100% to job lol [2017-03-29 21:44:06] mark121 : ah, well if u dont love ur job, go full time trader :D [2017-03-29 21:45:28] mark121 : or dont , if u dont want to, definitely dont do a comparison of $ per hr of time spent [2017-03-29 21:46:50] mark121 : it can really kill ur motivation to go in, and equally bad, your patience in dealing with a superior hah [2017-03-29 21:47:12] mark121 : i work 3 or 4 days per week from home [2017-03-29 21:52:25] mark121 : eth about to soar [2017-03-29 21:55:12] mark121 : cud trade the fractal alone [2017-03-29 21:56:26] mark121 : beautiful example for those of u lacking in concrete TA experience/validation, [2017-03-29 22:00:49] hmmmYea : /spam mark121 [2017-03-29 22:01:18] MikeHunt : mark121: yup, .052 should be lift off [2017-03-29 22:01:33] MikeHunt : .0525 * [2017-03-29 22:05:09] mark121 : shud pickup momo b4 that and than fly through [2017-03-29 22:05:18] mark121 : tomato tomatoe [2017-03-29 22:05:21] mark121 : :D [2017-03-29 22:05:42] MikeHunt : if btc goes down to 1k again then i think ull get ur wish [2017-03-29 22:06:13] mark121 : its looking less and less necesssary [2017-03-29 22:06:17] mark121 : but it wil certainlyt help [2017-03-29 22:06:25] mark121 : and push it further [2017-03-29 22:06:43] mark121 : if btc drops to similar as last time, im looking to exit margin trades over 60 [2017-03-29 22:06:52] mark121 : at the last [2017-03-29 22:06:56] mark121 : least*** [2017-03-29 22:08:41] mark121 : less of a wish then what the chart declares mr hunt [2017-03-29 22:30:30] mark121 : A simple example of the exceptional value added by using technical analysis... https://www.tradingview.com/x/VngcueHf/ [2017-03-29 22:33:42] premium_freak : mark121: are you trolling? [2017-03-29 22:33:56] mark121 : ud think [2017-03-29 22:34:11] mark121 : apparently people think TA is some conspiracy theory [2017-03-29 22:34:36] mark121 : this is irrefutable and simple example that I used [2017-03-29 22:40:06] hmmmYea : lol [2017-03-29 22:40:13] mark121 : im well aware that there is no question on its utility, its like posting a chart showing that the amount of food u eat is related to the amount that comes out the other end :;p [2017-03-29 22:41:22] hmmmYea : so the top tick from a random market order that got blasted into an empty order book proves what? [2017-03-29 22:41:28] hmmmYea : exactly [2017-03-29 22:41:33] mark121 : huh [2017-03-29 22:41:43] mark121 : so u do think markets are random [2017-03-29 22:42:42] vgck : ETH 0.07 or 0.04? [2017-03-29 22:43:40] hmmmYea : mark121: the top tick from a flood a liquidated trades is. [2017-03-29 22:43:41] mark121 : this allowed me to stagger my limit sell orders precisely and maximize profits - every order was filled and i didnt even need to be there.. [2017-03-29 22:44:26] mark121 : the manner is somewhat meaningless, they are still buyes and sales afterall [2017-03-29 22:45:07] hmmmYea : spoken like someone who has never actually made markets in a chaotic market [2017-03-29 22:45:07] mark121 : i didnt go to the top top but thats cus I knew from exp to stop a little lower to ensure I am filled etc [2017-03-29 22:45:16] mark121 : oh boy [2017-03-29 22:46:50] mark121 : You need to worry much less about me, and consider this irrefutable and super useful example I provided [2017-03-29 22:47:28] mark121 : You would be laughed out of any serious meeting of traders [2017-03-29 22:50:32] mark121 : That sounded mean, my apologies <3 [2017-03-29 22:50:55] hmmmYea : where do these serious TA-loving traders work? [2017-03-29 22:51:24] mark121 : ive never met anyone with any talent who didnt unstand the importance and utility of TA [2017-03-29 22:51:28] mark121 : thats not a thing [2017-03-29 22:51:38] hmmmYea : srsly? [2017-03-29 22:51:45] mark121 : no such thing my friend [2017-03-29 22:52:04] hmmmYea : now im 50/50 on whether you are just trolling me [2017-03-29 22:52:12] hmmmYea : saying that TA is serious [2017-03-29 22:52:16] mark121 : trust me, I cant believe i had to post that [2017-03-29 22:52:20] hmmmYea : if you are, my hat is off. very well done [2017-03-29 22:54:05] mark121 : U have to remember that it is many many years proven time and time again , thats not a discussion anyone has [2017-03-29 22:54:24] mark121 : its like sayin u dont believe in math [2017-03-29 22:54:29] mark121 : and ur a math teacher [2017-03-29 22:54:38] mark121 : lol! [2017-03-29 22:55:12] hmmmYea : its like saying you don't believe in lucky numbers and ur a math teacher [2017-03-29 22:58:36] mark121 : I don't even know what that means, why would a math teacher need to believe in lucky numbers? [2017-03-29 22:58:40] hmmmYea : do you have any statistical evidence that your method works? anyone can find patterns on any price chart [2017-03-29 22:58:44] mark121 : .. without sounding rude, this is just for your benefit and enlightenment - it isnt an argument or even combative discussion - ive given u irrefutable proof w/example [2017-03-29 22:58:50] hmmmYea : even randomly generated prices [2017-03-29 22:59:00] hmmmYea : you drew a picture on a chart [2017-03-29 22:59:12] mark121 : Okay, its clear to me now [2017-03-29 22:59:22] hmmmYea : wait a minute [2017-03-29 22:59:28] hmmmYea : do you have a time machine? [2017-03-29 22:59:45] hmmmYea : then know these charts would be VERY valuable [2017-03-29 22:59:52] mark121 : I imagine a laptop would seem like sorcery to a caveman [2017-03-29 23:00:02] mark121 : joke :) [2017-03-29 23:00:23] mark121 : this is a chart I used BEFORE it happened obviously (before the breakout) [2017-03-29 23:00:51] hmmmYea : you have charts that know the future? [2017-03-29 23:00:52] mark121 : lets make this easy.. i can be sure that if u put even slight effort into looking for yourself [2017-03-29 23:00:58] hmmmYea : then i agree [2017-03-29 23:01:01] hmmmYea : that is the key [2017-03-29 23:01:22] mark121 : if u want to look at it that way [2017-03-29 23:01:29] mark121 : than yes [2017-03-29 23:01:46] hmmmYea : but if you had a chart from the future, why did waste time drawing on it?. [2017-03-29 23:02:40] hmmmYea : what happens if you're trading changed the chart? have you ever had a butterfly effect situation affect your profitability?: [2017-03-29 23:02:44] mark121 : sometimes theres only 1 real possibility, other times theres more, but basically proper TA gives you a framework of possibilities [2017-03-29 23:03:06] mark121 : but thats the point [2017-03-29 23:03:19] Apocalyptic : Bitmex_Sam: you're around ? [2017-03-29 23:03:35] BitMEX_Sam : Apocalyptic: Hey, what's up? [2017-03-29 23:04:13] mark121 : there is no butterfly affect - that is again declaring ur belief in the randomness of markets [2017-03-29 23:04:22] mark121 : but its been shown over time that markets traded by humans [2017-03-29 23:04:30] mark121 : due to laws of nature [2017-03-29 23:05:06] mark121 : act in this manner, its all statistics and proability [2017-03-29 23:05:08] hmmmYea : but if you have charts future... do they know what your going trade? or do your trades change the charts? [2017-03-29 23:05:35] mark121 : fractals and the golden rule are found through nature [2017-03-29 23:05:49] hmmmYea : hahahahahahahah [2017-03-29 23:05:54] Apocalyptic : Just to let you know that your sample market maker ws-thread module is sometimes reporting executions that did not occur [2017-03-29 23:05:59] mark121 : i dont trade markets that i move on my own, market caps are too small [2017-03-29 23:06:16] hmmmYea : you know what else is found in nature? [2017-03-29 23:06:19] hmmmYea : gophers [2017-03-29 23:06:22] mark121 : oh boy [2017-03-29 23:06:27] hmmmYea : but they don't help you trade at all [2017-03-29 23:06:53] mark121 : im not trying to be a dick, but you now are sounding extremely foolish and superbly ignorant [2017-03-29 23:07:07] mark121 : a dick lol i meant a cock [2017-03-29 23:07:13] Apocalyptic : I'm investigating why exactly but it seems to be some edge case in the way you're checking for it lines 262 - 263 [2017-03-29 23:07:27] hmmmYea : i dont understand how something being found in nature makes that thing more likely to be a profitable trading strategy [2017-03-29 23:07:28] mark121 : honeslty my friend, its all <3 [2017-03-29 23:07:35] mark121 : are we not part of nature [2017-03-29 23:07:45] mark121 : is math not the universal language? [2017-03-29 23:08:35] BitMEX_Sam : Apocalyptic: So you're seeing an execution of 0 contracts? [2017-03-29 23:08:55] hmmmYea : is there a assertion causal relationship coming at some point? or is that the meat of the argument [2017-03-29 23:09:03] mark121 : oh boy [2017-03-29 23:09:32] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: last such occurence in the logs is 5 executions of ORDER_START_SIZE at the same second [2017-03-29 23:09:41] ubba : BREAKING NEWS [2017-03-29 23:09:42] mark121 : Please dont do that, I know you think it sounds intelligent to do so but it does not apply at al [2017-03-29 23:09:51] Apocalyptic : which price levels matching the one I was quoting at that moment [2017-03-29 23:09:58] ubba : kraken got hacked? [2017-03-29 23:11:16] hmmmYea : mark121: you realize this argument was the basis for the movie pi [2017-03-29 23:12:08] mark121 : I envy that you get to discover these things for the first time [2017-03-29 23:12:22] mark121 : it really wil enrich your trading and life in general [2017-03-29 23:12:57] mark121 : as i was saying, I can guarantee that with the slightest effort you will see validation [2017-03-29 23:13:05] hmmmYea : i dont think you understand this game [2017-03-29 23:13:13] mark121 : oh gosh.. [2017-03-29 23:13:17] hmmmYea : markets, not the game of this conversation [2017-03-29 23:13:48] mark121 : This must be a troll [2017-03-29 23:14:11] hmmmYea : at this point in history TA is just bait for suckers sold by disingenuous con men [2017-03-29 23:14:39] mark121 : oh boy [2017-03-29 23:15:13] mark121 : this has to be a troll.. no1 is that ignorant lol [2017-03-29 23:15:23] hmmmYea : what planet are you from? [2017-03-29 23:15:26] mark121 : u got me [2017-03-29 23:15:45] hmmmYea : show the successful technical analysis empires [2017-03-29 23:15:55] hmmmYea : they don't exist [2017-03-29 23:15:57] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: so it looks like updateData['leavesQty'] was 0, although the orders weren't touched, far from it [2017-03-29 23:16:00] mark121 : thats like saying show the successful breathing empires [2017-03-29 23:16:01] hmmmYea : why doint they exist? [2017-03-29 23:16:09] mark121 : they do, there are few that dont [2017-03-29 23:16:10] hmmmYea : no, its not all [2017-03-29 23:16:13] hmmmYea : at all [2017-03-29 23:16:17] mark121 : even algos analyze price and volume [2017-03-29 23:16:26] hmmmYea : markets exist to serve the needs of customers [2017-03-29 23:16:39] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: and it occured < 100ms after amending my quotes, so maybe there's a race condition somewhere [2017-03-29 23:16:45] mark121 : Kk u got me with ur trolling [2017-03-29 23:17:17] BitMEX_Sam : Will look into it [2017-03-29 23:17:27] ubba : I will also look into it [2017-03-29 23:17:29] mark121 : if yu arent trolling, i would seriously seriously suggest self analyze or meditate on the topic [2017-03-29 23:17:31] hmmmYea : TA is just game played on top of the markets to sell stuff to suckers [2017-03-29 23:18:02] ubba : MACD is a reliable indicator [2017-03-29 23:18:07] hmmmYea : some it approaches liquidity providing [2017-03-29 23:18:10] ubba : well depends what time frame you use it on [2017-03-29 23:18:15] ubba : like 5 min charts or 1 min [2017-03-29 23:18:38] mark121 : One line sentences that write-off a vast and confirmed subject make the speaker seem infinitely stupid [2017-03-29 23:18:52] mark121 : anyhow [2017-03-29 23:19:00] mark121 : I cannot believe that u arnet joking [2017-03-29 23:19:05] mark121 : truly i cannot - [2017-03-29 23:19:06] hmmmYea : ubba: i mean some stuff just tells when there's been a short term imbalance of buyers and sellers. if you want to learn that stuff w/ MACD..ok go for it [2017-03-29 23:19:21] mark121 : u dont kno wwhat u r talking about [2017-03-29 23:19:26] mark121 : u need to accept that [2017-03-29 23:19:30] hmmmYea : confirmed by whom? [2017-03-29 23:19:45] mark121 : otherwise u will never evolve, or grow [2017-03-29 23:20:10] mark121 : your attitude is the most dangerous for a trader, insane self assurance in light of fact [2017-03-29 23:20:23] hmmmYea : mark121: you keep appealing to your authority, but you cant actually make an argument [2017-03-29 23:20:31] hmmmYea : oddly, like most TA experts [2017-03-29 23:20:49] mark121 : I think u had a stroke maybe, remember the visual example [2017-03-29 23:20:59] mark121 : in addition to the arguments, the "meat" as it were [2017-03-29 23:21:04] hmmmYea : 1 trade doesnt mean anything [2017-03-29 23:21:08] mark121 : i didnt just give a slice or two, i butched half the damn forest [2017-03-29 23:21:30] hmmmYea : if it does, it means you are trading enough to know whether you are winning or losing [2017-03-29 23:21:32] mark121 : You areignorant and unfortunately nothing will change your opinion [2017-03-29 23:21:35] hmmmYea : you arent* [2017-03-29 23:23:21] mark121 : tis why u must be trolling, I cannot accept that any fellow human could be so.. thick headed -- [2017-03-29 23:23:56] hmmmYea : you cant trade if you're not open to new ideas [2017-03-29 23:24:11] hmmmYea : but your ideas are old... not interesting... not even explained all that well [2017-03-29 23:24:26] mark121 : and no, none of what u say, or cu dsay, would prove yourself correct so save the effort (assuming u rent trolling, but u are) <3 i tried, i think il go to heaven from my patience for a fellow man [2017-03-29 23:24:27] hmmmYea : i could do a better job playing devil's advocate, tbh [2017-03-29 23:24:55] mark121 : May I ask how old you are? [2017-03-29 23:25:02] hmmmYea : what am i trying to prove? i just asked you if you had any evidence for your claim [2017-03-29 23:25:24] hmmmYea : and its been some nonsense about golden means and fractals and pi and astrological signs [2017-03-29 23:25:42] hmmmYea : dont give out personal info in trollboxes [2017-03-29 23:25:47] mark121 : Are you a slug? [2017-03-29 23:25:52] mark121 : Look into it [2017-03-29 23:25:56] mark121 : Ive given u more than enuf [2017-03-29 23:26:06] hmmmYea : you gave one drawing on a chart [2017-03-29 23:26:09] mark121 : Alas, you are the gatekeeper to rationality [2017-03-29 23:26:14] hmmmYea : what could tha possibility prove? [2017-03-29 23:26:35] mark121 : In person maybe id try to beat it into you, in a group ud be so riduculed that ud likely accept ur error [2017-03-29 23:26:46] mark121 : but here on the internet [2017-03-29 23:26:58] mark121 : I cannot penetrate the veil of ignorance [2017-03-29 23:27:00] BitMEX_Sam : Apocalyptic: I've pushed an update that should fix the spurious logging [2017-03-29 23:27:51] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: that was blazing fast, thanks [2017-03-29 23:27:55] hmmmYea : just try using evidence [2017-03-29 23:28:00] hmmmYea : you may have more success [2017-03-29 23:28:02] Apocalyptic : will let you know if it fixes the issue [2017-03-29 23:28:13] hmmmYea : rather than appealing to your status as a guru [2017-03-29 23:28:32] mark121 : hehe [2017-03-29 23:28:47] mark121 : I did my part, the choice is yours young padawan <3 [2017-03-29 23:30:03] hmmmYea : i think wheelchairjuice is crazy, but i at least respect his position on you [2017-03-29 23:31:24] frog : i think book has had major impact on hmmmyea thinking [2017-03-29 23:31:39] mark121 : Heh, I have given more credence to your idiocy than 99% would, I gave u effort and time - [2017-03-29 23:32:27] hmmmYea : nice, a dear john letter [2017-03-29 23:32:39] hmmmYea : thats cute [2017-03-29 23:33:17] mark121 : You re a lost cause and until now, I had never encountered someone as foolish and ignorant - I hope you are under 18 [2017-03-29 23:33:26] mark121 : eventhat isnt an excuse [2017-03-29 23:33:36] mark121 : I take it back, sorry to anyone under 18 [2017-03-29 23:35:12] frog : does anyone believe markets are random? [2017-03-29 23:35:23] mark121 : Not only only that, but I actually gave u the time, I believed in you and you completely missed the mark -- one day you will shudder when you tihnk of this (i hope) [2017-03-29 23:35:27] mark121 : i think he does [2017-03-29 23:35:33] mark121 : "butterfly effect" [2017-03-29 23:35:35] mark121 : LOL [2017-03-29 23:35:35] frog : and he trade crypto [2017-03-29 23:35:57] mark121 : yet laughsoff fractals and the golden ratio [2017-03-29 23:36:08] hmmmYea : ok 1. i wouldnt be trading if i thought markets were random. 2. the butterfly effect refers to a chaotic system not a random one [2017-03-29 23:36:10] mark121 : ancient humans understood the golden ratio [2017-03-29 23:36:14] hmmmYea : 2.* [2017-03-29 23:36:32] hmmmYea : oh thats sound germane [2017-03-29 23:36:37] frog : markets not random [2017-03-29 23:36:47] mark121 : How old are you? [2017-03-29 23:36:50] mark121 : please be honesyt [2017-03-29 23:36:53] hmmmYea : you still need to explain the gopher paradox [2017-03-29 23:36:59] frog : but can appear random [2017-03-29 23:37:02] mark121 : nothing can be explained to you [2017-03-29 23:37:15] hmmmYea : gophers are found in nature, but not useful for trading [2017-03-29 23:37:19] hmmmYea : how is that possible? [2017-03-29 23:37:52] mark121 : that is correct, beacuse tey are furry roden like mammals - fractals and golden ratio on the other hand can be expressed numerically [2017-03-29 23:38:03] mark121 : boom [2017-03-29 23:38:05] frog : if trading small animals knowledge of gophner popularion may be useful [2017-03-29 23:38:12] mark121 : and yet somehow u wil not understand my answer llol [2017-03-29 23:38:36] mark121 : LOL [2017-03-29 23:38:40] mark121 : <3 [2017-03-29 23:39:57] mark121 : i think that was the checkmate even tho there was never two sides to this debate [2017-03-29 23:40:11] mark121 : dinnertime [2017-03-29 23:41:57] frog : i think time to toss a coin and decide my next trade [2017-03-29 23:44:32] mark121 : olol [2017-03-29 23:46:30] frog : i think there shuold be a follow up book when apparaent randomness is not rally random [2017-03-29 23:46:37] frog : but would need better title [2017-03-29 23:47:16] mark121 : "The Dangers of Trading Near Butterflies" [2017-03-29 23:48:53] frog : imo markets operate as the sum of many discrete 2 player games [2017-03-29 23:49:56] mark121 : A Non-Critical Thinkers guide to Tornadoes, Paper Shredders, Small Mammals and Markets: Trick Question their all the same thing" [2017-03-29 23:50:07] mark121 : Too wordy [2017-03-29 23:50:26] frog : tornados is good [2017-03-29 23:51:09] mark121 : i like it., simple and direct [2017-03-29 23:52:28] frog : with markets such as bitcoin there appears to be co-operation between some of the players which can be effectivley described as manipulation [2017-03-29 23:54:33] frog : im interested in finding situations where co-operation is likely [2017-03-29 23:54:45] frog : and tailing it [2017-03-29 23:55:10] mark121 : it may simply havebeen a set of conditions agreed upon once and thus elimates the need for any more collusion cooperation or cooridnation [2017-03-29 23:55:40] frog : maybe planned, agreed or tacit [2017-03-29 23:56:06] mark121 : when the first apple on the tree rots, dump your apples on to the market [2017-03-29 23:57:28] mark121 : altho it wud assume a communcal apple tree that all big apple sellers are able to see at the same time :P [2017-03-29 23:57:33] frog : my view is money flows from whales and retail traders to larger players [2017-03-29 23:57:52] mark121 : whales are the bigger players [2017-03-29 23:57:54] frog : or a bat signal type arrangement [2017-03-29 23:57:58] mark121 : well least in my mind [2017-03-29 23:58:12] mark121 : obviousl u have minke whales [2017-03-29 23:58:16] mark121 : and then u have blue wales [2017-03-29 23:58:18] frog : im not sure of correct jargon [2017-03-29 23:58:27] frog : but larger gambler types [2017-03-29 23:59:08] mark121 : Aye, potential institutions altho there isnt much diference in crypto as some people who got in early would still have more than even institutions who got in super late [2017-03-30 00:01:18] frog : there are way more people with long interest than short but there is a lot I don;t know thats for sure [2017-03-30 00:01:53] frog : but market moves in absence of news [2017-03-30 00:07:17] ubba : BREAKING NEWS [2017-03-30 00:07:18] ubba : I REPEAT [2017-03-30 00:07:22] ubba : BREAKING NEWS [2017-03-30 00:07:29] mark121 : loool [2017-03-30 00:07:53] frog : except for ubba's regular announcments [2017-03-30 00:08:10] mark121 : ubba's back, back again [2017-03-30 00:08:50] ubba : yep [2017-03-30 00:11:17] ubba : LPT: increase the leverage to 100x to make more money [2017-03-30 00:12:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 400 @ 1047.05 [2017-03-30 00:15:01] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: running your update, it just happened twice again, always just after a bulk amending [2017-03-30 00:15:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 5500 @ 1051.23 [2017-03-30 00:15:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHJ17`: sell 50 @ 0.049680 [2017-03-30 00:15:57] Apocalyptic : what may be relevant is that the price reported in the execution line is the old price of all orders before amending [2017-03-30 00:16:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHJ17`: sell 5 @ 0.049380 [2017-03-30 00:19:13] Apocalyptic : it happens just after a legitimate fill and a new order is created as well [2017-03-30 00:22:31] mark121 : buy ETHnow [2017-03-30 00:22:44] mark121 : lat chance at this price [2017-03-30 00:22:45] thxforyourbtc! : People will realize a month or so from now how stupid it was buying these alts lol. BTC will be at new highs [2017-03-30 00:22:48] mark121 : may b* [2017-03-30 00:22:52] Rado : mark121: ha ha [2017-03-30 00:23:00] Rado : last chance at this price is right [2017-03-30 00:23:04] Rado : lower prices coming [2017-03-30 00:23:23] mark121 : Hehe, I guess i infact read the chart correct [2017-03-30 00:23:24] thxforyourbtc! : Rado: lmao indeed [2017-03-30 00:23:55] mark121 : as it was near your entry again [2017-03-30 00:24:00] mark121 : u cud have closed and reopened [2017-03-30 00:24:15] mark121 : Rado, are you MM for eth? [2017-03-30 00:24:17] Rado : true [2017-03-30 00:24:22] Rado : no [2017-03-30 00:24:27] mark121 : ah [2017-03-30 00:24:57] thxforyourbtc! : All in alts? [2017-03-30 00:27:23] mark121 : heh rado is ur short open still?