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[2017-03-29 16:50:12] aethlios : hmmmYea: it is similar to eth and lisk. those can be great investments as in the future the economy will use smart contracts and blockchain tech.
[2017-03-29 16:50:44] sleger : aethlios: they have a nice whitepaper at least (bat)
[2017-03-29 16:51:33] aethlios : i hope they have a cap, and you have already enough eth to send.
[2017-03-29 16:52:54] hmmmYea : aethlios: yea. ethereum may be too far ahead already. but they seem legit
[2017-03-29 16:55:51] hmmmYea : aethlios: i doubt they cap it. the more money they raise, the bigger the network is on day 1, the more it is worth
[2017-03-29 16:56:14] hmmmYea : unlike an ethereum dapp token
[2017-03-29 16:56:57] mark121 : a cap is sometimes used to create a sense of exclusivity
[2017-03-29 16:57:09] mark121 : even if its unreachable
[2017-03-29 16:57:31] mark121 : (in general)
[2017-03-29 16:57:33] hmmmYea : mark121: those are the worst
[2017-03-29 16:57:42] mark121 : haha
[2017-03-29 16:58:35] hmmmYea : unlike a specific project like golem or first blood or augur, you "can't" be over-capitalized
[2017-03-29 16:59:14] hmmmYea : value per token increases the more they raise, rather than decreases like it does with most token sales
[2017-03-29 17:00:36] hmmmYea : *if you take that relationship ad absurdum it breaks, for all the technicality addicts like sleger
[2017-03-29 17:04:43] mark121 : lol
[2017-03-29 17:04:51] aethlios : hmmmYea: what do you mean the more amount they raise the higher the value?? we will buy more expensive, the project is ready as they say.
[2017-03-29 17:05:36] mark121 : ETH may dip a couple thousandths shortly
[2017-03-29 17:05:59] mark121 : hundredths
[2017-03-29 17:07:21] hmmmYea : aethlios: what determines the value of a blockchain token? is there something you want to do with it? is there a counterparty that wants to the other side of "it"?
[2017-03-29 17:07:28] Wonker : Dash a fraud?
[2017-03-29 17:08:02] sleger : Wonker: ask at polo
[2017-03-29 17:08:21] hmmmYea : the more money they raise from more people, the more likely the answer to question #2 is yes. so the more likely people are to build stuff on it so that question #1 is yes. its a virtuous cycle...
[2017-03-29 17:08:28] RoftheN : What do you guys think about the Lunyr ICO? They want to make a better wikipedia with targeted ads paid with LUN and peer reviewers paid in LUN
[2017-03-29 17:10:57] hmmmYea : aethlios: so the more poeple that are invested, the more its worth. the value of all the tezos tokens goes up... and the derivative of value of all tezos coins with respect to money raised is >1.. just my guess.
[2017-03-29 17:12:51] sleger : i think what he is saying is that if they had a very low cap (say 1btc !!) he would buy the whole ICO, then he can resell it on exchange to all the ones that couldnt get in the ICO at a MUCH higher price
[2017-03-29 17:13:05] sleger : more value for HIM
[2017-03-29 17:14:13] aethlios : hmmmYea: i agree with what you say but i will change investors to users clients, users and clients and developers who builded the eth smart contracts helped the value of eth to go up. investors bought the possibility that value will grow in the future if eth will start having users and clients.
[2017-03-29 17:14:50] hmmmYea : sleger: well yea. that would be nice
[2017-03-29 17:15:23] aethlios : so for me as investor i have cost and expect a higher value to absorb the cost.
[2017-03-29 17:19:07] mark121 : some have clauses that u cant sell within the first year
[2017-03-29 17:20:59] mark121 : theres def a tradeoff, if u cud buy whole ICO, it wud likely be a small, failure project - the more space the more people get in and the quicker it gains noteariety
[2017-03-29 17:21:42] mark121 : whats best altcoin to mine? suggestions?
[2017-03-29 17:22:18] aethlios : hmmmYea: @sleger Two to three weeks, late April to early May [9:07] Starting price around 5000 tez / btc
[2017-03-29 17:22:44] aethlios : from slack, so they will have a price!! this is like a cap.
[2017-03-29 17:22:58] sleger : but no cap on amount ?
[2017-03-29 17:23:04] mark121 : they wud just adjus tthe amount
[2017-03-29 17:24:00] aethlios : sleger: no cap, like eth did.
[2017-03-29 17:24:43] aethlios : we think we'll get at least $5M, we're hoping to get to $10M [10:08] Anything above would be amazing of course.
[2017-03-29 17:25:28] aethlios : 1ST blood raised 5.5 million in 10 minutes, when alts were still low eth was 11
[2017-03-29 17:25:32] mark121 : wud have likded to get in QTUM
[2017-03-29 17:26:39] aethlios : 10% for devs 10% for foundation
[2017-03-29 17:27:18] sleger : that should raise much more than 1st blood
[2017-03-29 17:27:27] sleger : imo
[2017-03-29 17:27:32] hmmmYea : aethlios: oh cool thanks
[2017-03-29 17:27:44] sleger : (might not but should)
[2017-03-29 17:28:07] hmmmYea : sleger: i think it will blow thru $10M
[2017-03-29 17:28:10] aethlios : sleger: they can raise 20 to 30 easily now days.
[2017-03-29 17:28:20] sleger : not many people have heard of it though
[2017-03-29 17:28:28] sleger : maybe more now they got an article on wired
[2017-03-29 17:28:39] hmmmYea : there is so much money desperate for legit investments right now.. and honestly alot of the projects are kinda not the great
[2017-03-29 17:29:08] mark121 : url for that coin?
[2017-03-29 17:29:22] hmmmYea : https://tezos.com/
[2017-03-29 17:29:46] mark121 : ty
[2017-03-29 17:30:06] aethlios : positive is 3 years of work and delivered product, negative os no cap in an over inflated alts market now.
[2017-03-29 17:31:29] hmmmYea : aethlios: i dont even think the bubble has started yet
[2017-03-29 17:32:47] aethlios : hmmmYea: i don't think is a bubble, blockchain technology attracts investments from the economy, total market grows, so this could last 10 years or more. like the mobile industry in the 90s
[2017-03-29 17:32:47] hmmmYea : chronobank raise serious money talking about time-banking.
[2017-03-29 17:33:10] hmmmYea : TIME-BANKING! thats not even a real thing that makes any sense at all in real life, much less on a blockchain
[2017-03-29 17:34:17] hmmmYea : aethlios: i think the next 5-10 years will be the internet bubble or the railroad bubble all over again
[2017-03-29 17:35:01] aethlios : hmmmYea: yes, those projects now can make us millionaires and sleger multibillionaire.
[2017-03-29 17:35:05] hmmmYea : i think what you can do after you start to get mainstream adoption will blow peoples minds... and then the bubble will be on
[2017-03-29 17:37:36] mark121 : eth holdin well!
[2017-03-29 17:38:51] sleger : mark121: there is a huge wall at 51, eth is attracted by wall it will go crush it
[2017-03-29 17:40:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 94 @ 1041.74
[2017-03-29 17:40:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 9 @ 1042.03
[2017-03-29 17:40:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 400 @ 1042.19
[2017-03-29 17:42:04] Dynamix : Bfx going down
[2017-03-29 17:43:28] mark121 : its been seeming like btc down eth up for too long now, typical it reverses but im happy with it not
[2017-03-29 17:45:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 10 @ 1039.79
[2017-03-29 17:47:22] startChat : sleger: will u sell all ETH when hits 100?
[2017-03-29 17:47:38] sleger : no
[2017-03-29 17:47:59] startChat : What is target
[2017-03-29 17:48:02] sleger : depends on fundamentals then, but most likely not, there is still huge progress to be made on eth (2 major releases)
[2017-03-29 17:48:07] sleger : no target it depends on fundamentals
[2017-03-29 17:49:05] Dynamix : Target is unknown @startChat
[2017-03-29 17:51:07] MikeHunt : eth => 0.07
[2017-03-29 17:52:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 20000 @ 1036.68
[2017-03-29 17:53:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 109081 @ 1045.18 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2017-03-29 17:53:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 250 @ 1034.84
[2017-03-29 17:54:07] \//\ : good bye quarterly premium. hello quarterly discount
[2017-03-29 17:54:12] REKT : Abandon the ship!
[2017-03-29 17:54:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 150 @ 1034.32
[2017-03-29 17:56:43] Dynamix : No rektosaurus yet ;)
[2017-03-29 18:01:57] mark121 : switcheroo
[2017-03-29 18:05:20] jayesh : /rekt
[2017-03-29 18:05:21] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 12 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 109081 @ 1045.18 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 6 hours, 25 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 100000 @ 1080.91 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 21 hours, 20 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XRP7D`: buy 330000 @ 0.00000924 ```
[2017-03-29 18:05:29] jayesh : /rrekt
[2017-03-29 18:05:29] trollbot : ``` 3 all time high REKTs: ``` ``` 43 hours, 54 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: sell 1140000 @ 0.00000883 ``` ``` 302 hours, 27 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 689089 @ 1126.18 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 266 hours, 34 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 656927 @ 985.40 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ```
[2017-03-29 18:06:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMRJ17`: buy 51 @ 0.019124
[2017-03-29 18:07:47] BitMEX_Greg : jayesh: Please refrain from making repeated calls that spam the trollbox
[2017-03-29 18:08:35] jayesh : BitMEX_Greg: sorry
[2017-03-29 18:22:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 58528 @ 1041.73 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-03-29 18:23:47] bingbongfly : ouchi
[2017-03-29 18:27:48] Ahhere : Guise,
[2017-03-29 18:28:50] Ahhere : when can we break 1100 pls?
[2017-03-29 18:28:54] Ahhere : thanks in advance
[2017-03-29 18:31:11] Smartass : reading throung the 100x btc swap definition. On which date will the xbt index be superseded with BXBT? There stands no date?
[2017-03-29 18:31:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 85138 @ 1026.61 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-03-29 18:31:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2888 @ 1031.92
[2017-03-29 18:31:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1 @ 1031.20 :punch: :whale:
[2017-03-29 18:32:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 150 @ 1029.86
[2017-03-29 18:32:11] Smartass : does anybody know?
[2017-03-29 18:32:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 300 @ 1028.62
[2017-03-29 18:32:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 4200 @ 1027.49
[2017-03-29 18:35:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 1023.82
[2017-03-29 18:35:12] frog : Smartass: 12UTC 31/3/2017
[2017-03-29 18:35:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHJ17`: buy 400 @ 0.051190
[2017-03-29 18:35:24] sleger : eth wall gone
[2017-03-29 18:35:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 2900 @ 1029.24
[2017-03-29 18:35:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 250 @ 1027.89
[2017-03-29 18:35:55] bingbongfly : sleger: 5k ETH marketbought on polo! nice
[2017-03-29 18:35:58] Smartass : frog: oh cool thx so day after tomorrow
[2017-03-29 18:36:05] mark121 : guess trhat head and shoulders counted :p
[2017-03-29 18:36:20] sleger : no, that kind of TA is useless
[2017-03-29 18:37:47] heheh lo : AH FUCK my short didnt trigger
[2017-03-29 18:39:56] Actualiteit : for fuck sake why is cryptowatch so fucking shit since they 'joined' kraken
[2017-03-29 18:42:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 132000 @ 1037.34 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2017-03-29 18:44:04] MikeHunt : lol
[2017-03-29 18:45:37] heheh lo : can we go back to 980? where we can rejoice
[2017-03-29 18:48:57] vgck : You shorters make me sick.
[2017-03-29 18:52:26] heheh lo : vgck: i didnt short, a little late for the party. i wanna long from the low
[2017-03-29 19:05:41] frog : 200k buy on stamp at around level of big sell order last night, guess the shorter covered the first time price got close to sell price, supports whale hypothesis
[2017-03-29 19:10:28] frog : now 200k sell order at 1030 on stamp
[2017-03-29 19:11:48] sleger : 200btc is no whale level
[2017-03-29 19:12:14] ross : sleger: for stamp its decent
[2017-03-29 19:12:23] frog : what is whale level?
[2017-03-29 19:12:51] sleger : so if someone puts a 25 btc order on btce then they are a whale too ? weird logic
[2017-03-29 19:13:18] ross : i've heard people say that 50btc is huge, maybe theyre whales too
[2017-03-29 19:14:46] sleger : so if i put a 500btcusdt order on polo, i'm a hyper mega whale ?
[2017-03-29 19:17:15] frog : taken out now
[2017-03-29 19:18:51] aethlios : ltcusd moving up.
[2017-03-29 19:19:46] vgck : Going back up to 1050 or what?
[2017-03-29 19:19:53] ross : i bought some at 420
[2017-03-29 19:19:56] ross : lucky number
[2017-03-29 19:51:26] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-03-29 19:51:29] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 22.87 / 77.13 Daily : 48.57 / 51.44 Weekly : 49.76 / 50.24 Monthly : 52.35 / 47.65```
[2017-03-29 20:04:49] mark121 : 990 wud be the low point of the h&s break which looks as if it wud complete an invert version - eth buying is 9:1 on last hr while price is clearly being kept at a maximum (.0510ish +/- .0005)
[2017-03-29 20:05:43] MikeHunt : mark121: u think btc going down again?
[2017-03-29 20:06:18] mark121 : its certainly possible
[2017-03-29 20:06:30] mark121 : even lhalf likely
[2017-03-29 20:07:11] mark121 : erm even likely perhaps - lots of trickery and vicious manip
[2017-03-29 20:09:41] mark121 : based on dollar value ETH is beyond .51
[2017-03-29 20:09:58] mark121 : 051*
[2017-03-29 20:12:02] mark121 : if btc dropped quickly, eth cud rip hard (maybe thats the intention)
[2017-03-29 20:14:20] hmmmYea : do you have any evidence that head and shoulders pattern contain information about the future path or price?
[2017-03-29 20:14:47] hmmmYea : of price*
[2017-03-29 20:16:39] mark121 : lol its well documented
[2017-03-29 20:17:47] mark121 : h&s on btc is not one i generally put much faith into
[2017-03-29 20:18:16] mark121 : more often than not its used to create a false narrative as mostly every1 knows that pattern
[2017-03-29 20:19:11] mark121 : but the measure rule on the up from 600 was spot on (BTC was all about pennants/flag like formations until recently)
[2017-03-29 20:20:58] mark121 : so for H&S neckline to top of head is ur max (some than multiply that by the % of patterns that tend to reach their targets)
[2017-03-29 20:21:36] mark121 : i have just about every book on TA in PDF format if ud like something
[2017-03-29 20:22:07] hmmmYea : ive read them all. have no use for any of them :D
[2017-03-29 20:22:18] mark121 : as in
[2017-03-29 20:22:21] mark121 : because uve read them?
[2017-03-29 20:22:40] mark121 : because if u asked that question.. i cannot accept that you've read them lol
[2017-03-29 20:22:53] mark121 : (no offense!)
[2017-03-29 20:23:21] mark121 : it interesting tho, i find alot crypto folk have this really jaded view on TA and/or elliot wave
[2017-03-29 20:23:22] hmmmYea : mark121: i am aware that the only answer to that question is no
[2017-03-29 20:23:48] mark121 : That is incorrect
[2017-03-29 20:23:59] mark121 : in all honesty
[2017-03-29 20:24:10] hmmmYea : ok
[2017-03-29 20:24:27] sleger : TA is for dummies
[2017-03-29 20:24:41] mark121 : lol..
[2017-03-29 20:24:43] hmmmYea : ^that is my take as well
[2017-03-29 20:24:48] hmmmYea : what sleger said
[2017-03-29 20:24:54] MikeHunt : elliot wave seems to work for Eth so far
[2017-03-29 20:24:56] mark121 : its the other way around
[2017-03-29 20:25:07] mark121 : dummies wil be dummies in TA
[2017-03-29 20:25:08] hmmmYea : only amateurs use TA, because they don't know how to actually trade and its easy
[2017-03-29 20:25:14] mark121 : oh gosh
[2017-03-29 20:25:15] MikeHunt : perhaps even BTC if HF dont happen
[2017-03-29 20:25:17] hmmmYea : to pick up
[2017-03-29 20:25:24] mark121 : that is seriously moronic
[2017-03-29 20:25:40] mark121 : TA includes looking at a chart u know
[2017-03-29 20:25:46] MikeHunt : hmmmYea: whats ur style then? btfd ?
[2017-03-29 20:25:50] mark121 : hahah
[2017-03-29 20:26:06] mark121 : like it seriously tells me, uve never actually looked into it
[2017-03-29 20:26:19] sleger : if TA worked, analysts in banks would be traders, not just "sell" their "research"
[2017-03-29 20:26:22] mark121 : we pay big bucks to the best analysts
[2017-03-29 20:26:41] mark121 : its not an IF
[2017-03-29 20:26:45] sleger : mark121: no we dont
[2017-03-29 20:26:55] mark121 : Again
[2017-03-29 20:27:01] sleger : source: worked in top banks, large hedge funds and proprietary trading firms
[2017-03-29 20:27:01] hmmmYea : thats just all shit that people sell
[2017-03-29 20:27:13] hmmmYea : if you can actually make the money you dont sell the method
[2017-03-29 20:27:13] mark121 : same
[2017-03-29 20:27:17] hmmmYea : you just make the money
[2017-03-29 20:27:19] mark121 : cept present tense
[2017-03-29 20:27:24] mark121 : lmao
[2017-03-29 20:28:01] mark121 : There are macro folks and there are analysts and their are sentiment guys but the best take cues from all 3
[2017-03-29 20:28:42] hmmmYea : ahhh yes. and who is the biggest TA trading shop in the world?
[2017-03-29 20:28:55] hmmmYea : oh yea, wait. it doesnt even exist
[2017-03-29 20:29:09] hmmmYea : its just a bunch of guys selling it from twitter accounts
[2017-03-29 20:29:13] mark121 : some of our hottest hands use TA for the majority of their picks (then again, with algo trading, and in the style that fnds trade incl. time horizons) it is completely different than a guy like you trading
[2017-03-29 20:29:15] sleger : its probably one of the trader around here that hasnt disappeared yet
[2017-03-29 20:29:19] sleger : or alejandromasari
[2017-03-29 20:29:33] hmmmYea : some of our hottest hands?
[2017-03-29 20:29:36] mark121 : its complete ignorance
[2017-03-29 20:29:37] hmmmYea : what does that even mean
[2017-03-29 20:29:51] mark121 : the guys who makes the best picks at the office
[2017-03-29 20:29:58] hmmmYea : you work at a bucket shop?
[2017-03-29 20:29:59] mark121 : anyhow
[2017-03-29 20:30:17] hmmmYea : if you have to pay money to get a job, its not a real job. its a scam
[2017-03-29 20:30:20] mark121 : i work at a large fund actually
[2017-03-29 20:30:23] mark121 : lmao
[2017-03-29 20:30:45] mark121 : i think its clear if u have to pay for ur job
[2017-03-29 20:30:57] mark121 : u shud probably find a new job :p
[2017-03-29 20:31:03] hmmmYea : most TA jobs require the enrollees to pay
[2017-03-29 20:31:11] mark121 : whaaat!
[2017-03-29 20:31:13] mark121 : jesus
[2017-03-29 20:31:19] hmmmYea : i have never worked a trading shop with "hot hands"
[2017-03-29 20:31:28] mark121 : k ya, allow me to try and make a point that explains this strangeness
[2017-03-29 20:31:55] mark121 : its a lack of understanding of what TA is ssuppose to be
[2017-03-29 20:32:13] hmmmYea : isnt TA just the stuff that make the dumb clients want to trade?
[2017-03-29 20:32:19] hmmmYea : what is it to you?
[2017-03-29 20:32:27] rapidtrades : mark shut the hell up ur clueless
[2017-03-29 20:32:28] mark121 : TA is everything tyo do with price and volume
[2017-03-29 20:32:36] hmmmYea : lol
[2017-03-29 20:32:38] mark121 : rapidtrades: shush kid
[2017-03-29 20:32:56] hmmmYea : no its not
[2017-03-29 20:33:00] mark121 : u learned markets were manipulated 2 weeks ago -- anyway it amazes me it really does
[2017-03-29 20:33:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMRJ17`: buy 2 @ 0.019363
[2017-03-29 20:33:09] mark121 : yes it is exactly actually lol
[2017-03-29 20:33:19] hmmmYea : that is an overly broad definition
[2017-03-29 20:33:24] mark121 : not at all
[2017-03-29 20:33:48] mark121 : TA is price and volume, macro is all else cept sentiment which iss more or less its ownthing nowadays
[2017-03-29 20:33:54] mark121 : point is
[2017-03-29 20:34:07] mark121 : nothing tells u the future with certainty
[2017-03-29 20:34:11] hmmmYea : thanks for that education.
[2017-03-29 20:34:13] rapidtrades : LTC segwit down to 25% lol
[2017-03-29 20:34:18] mark121 : clearly
[2017-03-29 20:34:19] hmmmYea : oh really?
[2017-03-29 20:34:24] hmmmYea : nothing tells the future?
[2017-03-29 20:34:44] mark121 : not sure wher eur going with this
[2017-03-29 20:35:15] hmmmYea : your sitting here explaining to me that trades are bets, as if you think thats an important point
[2017-03-29 20:35:26] mark121 : ...
[2017-03-29 20:35:46] mark121 : You seem awfully .. defensive.. i was merely enlightening you
[2017-03-29 20:35:52] mark121 : if u dont want to accept it
[2017-03-29 20:35:53] rapidtrades : mark stop spewing ur newbishness all over this chat
[2017-03-29 20:35:55] mark121 : thats fine to me
[2017-03-29 20:36:00] mark121 : rapidtrades: <3 u 2
[2017-03-29 20:36:09] mark121 : U asked
[2017-03-29 20:36:10] hmmmYea : i feel like you just watched wall street warriors and are regurging it to me
[2017-03-29 20:36:12] mark121 : I told u
[2017-03-29 20:36:27] mark121 : i cant stand videos
[2017-03-29 20:36:35] mark121 : im a textbook guy
[2017-03-29 20:37:08] mark121 : without expeirence all of it is worthless, overtime u see that each instrument has its own.. tendencies
[2017-03-29 20:37:11] hmmmYea : whats one book that has edgy knowledge in it?
[2017-03-29 20:37:37] herpinator : hmmmYea: book of medieval torture
[2017-03-29 20:37:38] hmmmYea : i feel like you are trapped in the 1980s
[2017-03-29 20:37:39] mark121 : Edgy? This is TA, not the Gospel of Thomas
[2017-03-29 20:37:49] mark121 : again..
[2017-03-29 20:37:52] hmmmYea : mark121: edge. expected value
[2017-03-29 20:38:05] hmmmYea : are you familiar with that concept?
[2017-03-29 20:38:12] mark121 : these are things that are constantly reinforced and clearly seen
[2017-03-29 20:38:22] mark121 : let me ask u something
[2017-03-29 20:39:17] mark121 : Until 1180 or (the rally beyond 1200) - had you not used the fractal self similarity to kno the trend? it was as close to a map as possible
[2017-03-29 20:39:32] hmmmYea : lol
[2017-03-29 20:39:34] mark121 : and incredibly profitable
[2017-03-29 20:39:42] hmmmYea : fractals
[2017-03-29 20:40:10] hmmmYea : you should read this book
[2017-03-29 20:40:13] mark121 : il jus say this then, ive seen this weird attitude from crypto folks
[2017-03-29 20:40:19] sleger : there was once a trader named fractals
[2017-03-29 20:40:25] sleger : he lasted a whole week !
[2017-03-29 20:40:33] mark121 : u cud really learn a alot if u just accepted that u have more to know
[2017-03-29 20:41:13] hmmmYea : i was gonna send you a link for fooled by randomness
[2017-03-29 20:41:16] mark121 : do u kno how foolish that sounds to someone (and many friends of mine) who made a killing on it
[2017-03-29 20:41:23] hmmmYea : then realized it was written by nntalib
[2017-03-29 20:41:35] hmmmYea : dont want to embarrass myself
[2017-03-29 20:42:01] hmmmYea : mark121: congrats on winning 1 bet
[2017-03-29 20:42:06] hmmmYea : must feel amazing
[2017-03-29 20:42:08] mark121 : huh
[2017-03-29 20:42:14] hmmmYea : your fractal bet
[2017-03-29 20:42:17] mark121 : Why does TA make u angry
[2017-03-29 20:42:19] hmmmYea : great job
[2017-03-29 20:42:31] mark121 : it intrigues me.. this attitude
[2017-03-29 20:42:42] mark121 : in the past, usually people just saw bad TA and assumed all TA was bad
[2017-03-29 20:42:51] hmmmYea : im just having fun with you.
[2017-03-29 20:43:04] hmmmYea : TA is for suckers
[2017-03-29 20:43:08] mark121 : quite frankly if u used tradingview, i wouldnt blame u
[2017-03-29 20:43:24] mark121 : worst TA force the most part..
[2017-03-29 20:43:44] mark121 : overconfident, under-informed "TA"ers are a dime a dozen
[2017-03-29 20:43:53] rapidtrades : the point of fooled by randomness isn't that markets are random
[2017-03-29 20:44:23] rapidtrades : just in case you didn't catch that
[2017-03-29 20:44:38] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: if i thought markets were random, would i be trading at all?
[2017-03-29 20:44:47] mark121 : (i assume he got out of it what he wanted to, or thought in the first place)
[2017-03-29 20:45:33] rapidtrades : hmmmYea: you would if ur an idiot
[2017-03-29 20:45:51] hmmmYea : +1
[2017-03-29 20:46:09] hmmmYea : mark121: so back to my question, who are the TA billionaires?
[2017-03-29 20:46:29] mark121 : who are the "TA is bullshit billionaires?"
[2017-03-29 20:46:32] mark121 : the question is moot
[2017-03-29 20:46:46] hmmmYea : literally everyone
[2017-03-29 20:46:56] mark121 : look, im not tryin to win an argument, as this is factual stuff
[2017-03-29 20:47:00] mark121 : point is
[2017-03-29 20:47:14] sleger : u just have the wrong definition of TA
[2017-03-29 20:47:19] hmmmYea : mark121: no, if TA was this golden goose, there would be a whole subset of TA billionaires
[2017-03-29 20:47:27] mark121 : thats it!
[2017-03-29 20:47:33] hmmmYea : just there are arb billionaires, quant billionaires
[2017-03-29 20:47:36] mark121 : its not a golden goose
[2017-03-29 20:47:41] hmmmYea : fundamental analyst billionaires
[2017-03-29 20:47:48] mark121 : its information
[2017-03-29 20:48:10] hmmmYea : edgeless information. it woulda made someone really rich
[2017-03-29 20:48:34] hmmmYea : it used to work before people used computers, but not in the last 25 years
[2017-03-29 20:48:40] mark121 : im not some TA only guy, ive made great trades without looking at the chart,
[2017-03-29 20:49:04] mark121 : im more about using whatever works or helps
[2017-03-29 20:49:23] hmmmYea : edge doesnt care who you are or how you feel
[2017-03-29 20:49:33] mark121 : i have no great love of TA or anything , its a set of tools on a tool bet of trend idenfication
[2017-03-29 20:49:41] mark121 : belt*
[2017-03-29 20:49:57] rapidtrades : there's very little edge in entries by themselves, this is all level one thinking
[2017-03-29 20:50:14] mark121 : that really doesnt make sense
[2017-03-29 20:50:24] ross : rapidtrades: you're back
[2017-03-29 20:50:39] rapidtrades : it will in 5 years don't worry mark...if u live that long
[2017-03-29 20:50:42] mark121 : it sounds good
[2017-03-29 20:50:46] mark121 : no
[2017-03-29 20:51:01] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: is it cheering bt entry and exit that creates edge?
[2017-03-29 20:51:06] mark121 : it means nothing
[2017-03-29 20:51:36] mark121 : too general and obviously not always the case
[2017-03-29 20:52:57] rapidtrades : hmmmYea: exits, risk control, position sizing, diversification, portfolio construction etc
[2017-03-29 20:53:03] mark121 : its like a chain, a lose portion and the whole trade is in jeopardy
[2017-03-29 20:53:15] rapidtrades : there's lot of layers to this game
[2017-03-29 20:53:18] mark121 : talk about level one :p
[2017-03-29 20:54:53] rapidtrades : level one is newbs chasing the one perfect system
[2017-03-29 20:55:01] mark121 : that is correct.
[2017-03-29 20:55:19] mark121 : and it seems ppl think TA is meant to be that
[2017-03-29 20:56:17] ross : i know u guys love me saying it
[2017-03-29 20:56:24] ross : but dash about to go up
[2017-03-29 20:56:39] mark121 : run for your lives!
[2017-03-29 20:56:50] mark121 : ross is bullish on dash@!@!
[2017-03-29 21:02:17] mark121 : legend has it an entire town was wiped clean after following ross into a long dash trade
[2017-03-29 21:02:17] ross : i got 1btc on dash, so much volume, price will rise by 50% instantly
[2017-03-29 21:02:41] mark121 : u cud be right, its been quiet :]
[2017-03-29 21:02:52] mark121 : my money is on CLAM
[2017-03-29 21:04:25] mark121 : while dash seems like it cud be abandoned at anytime, ETH is a little more secure
[2017-03-29 21:04:51] mark121 : little = alot.. im stil long on ETH
[2017-03-29 21:05:06] ross : spotted a few masternode purchases, so thats always a good sign
[2017-03-29 21:05:28] mark121 : Rado: how that ETH short coming along
[2017-03-29 21:05:37] sleger : "mark121: my money is on CLAM" <= lol
[2017-03-29 21:06:08] mark121 : are u laughing at the joke? or did it go over ur head
[2017-03-29 21:08:17] mark121 : (its the latter)
[2017-03-29 21:13:25] sleger : i dont read you anymore but saw CLAM in big, just like TA, made sense coming from you
[2017-03-29 21:14:22] aguia7 : /fork
[2017-03-29 21:14:24] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 846.00 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 190.77 (-4.61%) SLQ : 6 hours, 55 mins```
[2017-03-29 21:16:55] mark121 : made sense coming from me
[2017-03-29 21:18:27] mark121 : Your over eager defensiveness and strange desire to throw out insults makes me question your experience in any of the places you claim to have worked in (no offense)
[2017-03-29 21:18:53] sleger : interestingly im not the only one attacking you
[2017-03-29 21:19:06] mark121 : id say u r
[2017-03-29 21:19:12] mark121 : unles u include rapidtrades
[2017-03-29 21:19:18] mark121 : lol.
[2017-03-29 21:19:24] Tetsuo : no mark it´s true ur an idiot
[2017-03-29 21:19:34] mark121 : U butt buddies
[2017-03-29 21:19:37] mark121 : i understand
[2017-03-29 21:20:20] sleger : hmmyeah was also making fun of you just before ?
[2017-03-29 21:20:41] mark121 : not inthe same manner
[2017-03-29 21:20:53] sleger : pardon my manners
[2017-03-29 21:21:00] sleger : but its internet
[2017-03-29 21:21:52] aguia7 : Bitcoin says: Speak evil or well, but speak of me, I am useful. https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-circumvent-economic-sanctions-iran/
[2017-03-29 21:21:54] mark121 : yet when I said somethin in this "trollbox" months ago, u were very much taking offense to me speaking as an unknown... i find that strange still
[2017-03-29 21:21:56] frog : i think hmmyeah had read a book that said TA not useful not really personal attack
[2017-03-29 21:22:08] mark121 : exactly
[2017-03-29 21:22:37] frog : everyone has different ideas
[2017-03-29 21:22:54] frog : bit doesnt mean they are stupid
[2017-03-29 21:23:56] mark121 : do u not realize that it reflects much more poorly on you sleger? your insecurity is where those come from
[2017-03-29 21:24:07] frog : mr taleb's book is very popular and good for many people to understand the concepts
[2017-03-29 21:24:32] frog : but not full explanation
[2017-03-29 21:25:22] maxrdlf95 : /rekt
[2017-03-29 21:25:23] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 2 hours, 42 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 132000 @ 1037.34 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 3 hours, 32 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 109081 @ 1045.18 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 9 hours, 45 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 100000 @ 1080.91 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ```
[2017-03-29 21:25:25] maxrdlf95 : /sentiment
[2017-03-29 21:25:28] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 40.30 / 59.70 Daily : 48.35 / 51.65 Weekly : 49.78 / 50.22 Monthly : 52.34 / 47.66```
[2017-03-29 21:25:37] maxrdlf95 : /rrekt
[2017-03-29 21:25:38] trollbot : ``` 3 all time high REKTs: ``` ``` 47 hours, 15 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: sell 1140000 @ 0.00000883 ``` ``` 305 hours, 48 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 689089 @ 1126.18 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 269 hours, 54 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 656927 @ 985.40 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ```
[2017-03-29 21:25:52] sleger : mark121: im a lot of things, but insecure, no sir
[2017-03-29 21:27:03] frog : TA is valuable tool for many reasons
[2017-03-29 21:27:12] mark121 : not self-aware either i guess :p
[2017-03-29 21:27:15] KingTuna : mark121: marks mark Eth like a slingshot
[2017-03-29 21:27:23] mark121 : yeyeye
[2017-03-29 21:27:24] frog : but not complete explanation of market behaviour
[2017-03-29 21:27:32] sleger : see who is insulting who now....
[2017-03-29 21:28:34] mark121 : im teasing and i think its obvious, henvce the emoticon
[2017-03-29 21:29:26] frog : also lack of self awareness can be valuable trait
[2017-03-29 21:31:18] sleger : for idiots so they dont feel sad, maybe
[2017-03-29 21:31:26] mark121 : valuable maybe not but certainly has utility in simplyfing ones life
[2017-03-29 21:34:26] KingTuna : Ah this Eth has made me so much. A holiday to Thailand and a new Audi.. rekitting my home. Love taking $$ from noobs :)
[2017-03-29 21:34:27] mark121 : or the exact opposite and ruin your life, complicate it to shit lhah
[2017-03-29 21:34:38] KingTuna : As well a and BTC $$$
[2017-03-29 21:34:47] mark121 : Hehe Ya Eth has been excellent
[2017-03-29 21:34:55] mark121 : Ethellent?
[2017-03-29 21:34:58] mark121 : :p
[2017-03-29 21:35:02] KingTuna : Only issue is sleep these days lol
[2017-03-29 21:35:09] KingTuna : haha yeh
[2017-03-29 21:35:32] mark121 : lol agreed
[2017-03-29 21:36:14] bingbongfly : lol I feel ya
[2017-03-29 21:36:21] bingbongfly : I'm really tired, but I love making money too much
[2017-03-29 21:36:27] mark121 : i have fond memories of good sleeps.. gona need to hibernate after this period
[2017-03-29 21:36:43] bingbongfly : I've found taking time off from time to time is really valuable
[2017-03-29 21:36:56] mark121 : burnout is real
[2017-03-29 21:36:56] bingbongfly : just gotta try to time it with the markets
[2017-03-29 21:37:01] bingbongfly : haha ye
[2017-03-29 21:37:44] mark121 : especially in reading charts, stare too much and u end up doing moreharm
[2017-03-29 21:37:45] mark121 : than good
[2017-03-29 21:37:51] mark121 : or trading in general
[2017-03-29 21:41:19] rahul : /fork
[2017-03-29 21:41:20] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 872.43 (3.12%) Bitfinex BCU : 176.58 (-7.44%) SLQ : 26 mins```
[2017-03-29 21:41:41] KingTuna : And I have regular day job, performances targets, projects, Aussie hours. On way to work now. Markets hamper ability to give 100% to job lol
[2017-03-29 21:44:06] mark121 : ah, well if u dont love ur job, go full time trader :D
[2017-03-29 21:45:28] mark121 : or dont , if u dont want to, definitely dont do a comparison of $ per hr of time spent
[2017-03-29 21:46:50] mark121 : it can really kill ur motivation to go in, and equally bad, your patience in dealing with a superior hah
[2017-03-29 21:47:12] mark121 : i work 3 or 4 days per week from home
[2017-03-29 21:52:25] mark121 : eth about to soar
[2017-03-29 21:55:12] mark121 : cud trade the fractal alone
[2017-03-29 21:56:26] mark121 : beautiful example for those of u lacking in concrete TA experience/validation,
[2017-03-29 22:00:49] hmmmYea : /spam mark121
[2017-03-29 22:01:18] MikeHunt : mark121: yup, .052 should be lift off
[2017-03-29 22:01:33] MikeHunt : .0525 *
[2017-03-29 22:05:09] mark121 : shud pickup momo b4 that and than fly through
[2017-03-29 22:05:18] mark121 : tomato tomatoe
[2017-03-29 22:05:21] mark121 : :D
[2017-03-29 22:05:42] MikeHunt : if btc goes down to 1k again then i think ull get ur wish
[2017-03-29 22:06:13] mark121 : its looking less and less necesssary
[2017-03-29 22:06:17] mark121 : but it wil certainlyt help
[2017-03-29 22:06:25] mark121 : and push it further
[2017-03-29 22:06:43] mark121 : if btc drops to similar as last time, im looking to exit margin trades over 60
[2017-03-29 22:06:52] mark121 : at the last
[2017-03-29 22:06:56] mark121 : least***
[2017-03-29 22:08:41] mark121 : less of a wish then what the chart declares mr hunt
[2017-03-29 22:30:30] mark121 : A simple example of the exceptional value added by using technical analysis... https://www.tradingview.com/x/VngcueHf/
[2017-03-29 22:33:42] premium_freak : mark121: are you trolling?
[2017-03-29 22:33:56] mark121 : ud think
[2017-03-29 22:34:11] mark121 : apparently people think TA is some conspiracy theory
[2017-03-29 22:34:36] mark121 : this is irrefutable and simple example that I used
[2017-03-29 22:40:06] hmmmYea : lol
[2017-03-29 22:40:13] mark121 : im well aware that there is no question on its utility, its like posting a chart showing that the amount of food u eat is related to the amount that comes out the other end :;p
[2017-03-29 22:41:22] hmmmYea : so the top tick from a random market order that got blasted into an empty order book proves what?
[2017-03-29 22:41:28] hmmmYea : exactly
[2017-03-29 22:41:33] mark121 : huh
[2017-03-29 22:41:43] mark121 : so u do think markets are random
[2017-03-29 22:42:42] vgck : ETH 0.07 or 0.04?
[2017-03-29 22:43:40] hmmmYea : mark121: the top tick from a flood a liquidated trades is.
[2017-03-29 22:43:41] mark121 : this allowed me to stagger my limit sell orders precisely and maximize profits - every order was filled and i didnt even need to be there..
[2017-03-29 22:44:26] mark121 : the manner is somewhat meaningless, they are still buyes and sales afterall
[2017-03-29 22:45:07] hmmmYea : spoken like someone who has never actually made markets in a chaotic market
[2017-03-29 22:45:07] mark121 : i didnt go to the top top but thats cus I knew from exp to stop a little lower to ensure I am filled etc
[2017-03-29 22:45:16] mark121 : oh boy
[2017-03-29 22:46:50] mark121 : You need to worry much less about me, and consider this irrefutable and super useful example I provided
[2017-03-29 22:47:28] mark121 : You would be laughed out of any serious meeting of traders
[2017-03-29 22:50:32] mark121 : That sounded mean, my apologies <3
[2017-03-29 22:50:55] hmmmYea : where do these serious TA-loving traders work?
[2017-03-29 22:51:24] mark121 : ive never met anyone with any talent who didnt unstand the importance and utility of TA
[2017-03-29 22:51:28] mark121 : thats not a thing
[2017-03-29 22:51:38] hmmmYea : srsly?
[2017-03-29 22:51:45] mark121 : no such thing my friend
[2017-03-29 22:52:04] hmmmYea : now im 50/50 on whether you are just trolling me
[2017-03-29 22:52:12] hmmmYea : saying that TA is serious
[2017-03-29 22:52:16] mark121 : trust me, I cant believe i had to post that
[2017-03-29 22:52:20] hmmmYea : if you are, my hat is off. very well done
[2017-03-29 22:54:05] mark121 : U have to remember that it is many many years proven time and time again , thats not a discussion anyone has
[2017-03-29 22:54:24] mark121 : its like sayin u dont believe in math
[2017-03-29 22:54:29] mark121 : and ur a math teacher
[2017-03-29 22:54:38] mark121 : lol!
[2017-03-29 22:55:12] hmmmYea : its like saying you don't believe in lucky numbers and ur a math teacher
[2017-03-29 22:58:36] mark121 : I don't even know what that means, why would a math teacher need to believe in lucky numbers?
[2017-03-29 22:58:40] hmmmYea : do you have any statistical evidence that your method works? anyone can find patterns on any price chart
[2017-03-29 22:58:44] mark121 : .. without sounding rude, this is just for your benefit and enlightenment - it isnt an argument or even combative discussion - ive given u irrefutable proof w/example
[2017-03-29 22:58:50] hmmmYea : even randomly generated prices
[2017-03-29 22:59:00] hmmmYea : you drew a picture on a chart
[2017-03-29 22:59:12] mark121 : Okay, its clear to me now
[2017-03-29 22:59:22] hmmmYea : wait a minute
[2017-03-29 22:59:28] hmmmYea : do you have a time machine?
[2017-03-29 22:59:45] hmmmYea : then know these charts would be VERY valuable
[2017-03-29 22:59:52] mark121 : I imagine a laptop would seem like sorcery to a caveman
[2017-03-29 23:00:02] mark121 : joke :)
[2017-03-29 23:00:23] mark121 : this is a chart I used BEFORE it happened obviously (before the breakout)
[2017-03-29 23:00:51] hmmmYea : you have charts that know the future?
[2017-03-29 23:00:52] mark121 : lets make this easy.. i can be sure that if u put even slight effort into looking for yourself
[2017-03-29 23:00:58] hmmmYea : then i agree
[2017-03-29 23:01:01] hmmmYea : that is the key
[2017-03-29 23:01:22] mark121 : if u want to look at it that way
[2017-03-29 23:01:29] mark121 : than yes
[2017-03-29 23:01:46] hmmmYea : but if you had a chart from the future, why did waste time drawing on it?.
[2017-03-29 23:02:40] hmmmYea : what happens if you're trading changed the chart? have you ever had a butterfly effect situation affect your profitability?:
[2017-03-29 23:02:44] mark121 : sometimes theres only 1 real possibility, other times theres more, but basically proper TA gives you a framework of possibilities
[2017-03-29 23:03:06] mark121 : but thats the point
[2017-03-29 23:03:19] Apocalyptic : Bitmex_Sam: you're around ?
[2017-03-29 23:03:35] BitMEX_Sam : Apocalyptic: Hey, what's up?
[2017-03-29 23:04:13] mark121 : there is no butterfly affect - that is again declaring ur belief in the randomness of markets
[2017-03-29 23:04:22] mark121 : but its been shown over time that markets traded by humans
[2017-03-29 23:04:30] mark121 : due to laws of nature
[2017-03-29 23:05:06] mark121 : act in this manner, its all statistics and proability
[2017-03-29 23:05:08] hmmmYea : but if you have charts future... do they know what your going trade? or do your trades change the charts?
[2017-03-29 23:05:35] mark121 : fractals and the golden rule are found through nature
[2017-03-29 23:05:49] hmmmYea : hahahahahahahah
[2017-03-29 23:05:54] Apocalyptic : Just to let you know that your sample market maker ws-thread module is sometimes reporting executions that did not occur
[2017-03-29 23:05:59] mark121 : i dont trade markets that i move on my own, market caps are too small
[2017-03-29 23:06:16] hmmmYea : you know what else is found in nature?
[2017-03-29 23:06:19] hmmmYea : gophers
[2017-03-29 23:06:22] mark121 : oh boy
[2017-03-29 23:06:27] hmmmYea : but they don't help you trade at all
[2017-03-29 23:06:53] mark121 : im not trying to be a dick, but you now are sounding extremely foolish and superbly ignorant
[2017-03-29 23:07:07] mark121 : a dick lol i meant a cock
[2017-03-29 23:07:13] Apocalyptic : I'm investigating why exactly but it seems to be some edge case in the way you're checking for it lines 262 - 263