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[2017-03-26 20:05:12] thxforyourbtc! : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Razer-Blade-Early-2017-14-FHD-Matte-i7-7700HQ-GTX-1060-256GB-SSD-/112306866834?hash=item1a2602ca92:g:o0EAAOSwfVpYpzdr
[2017-03-26 20:05:16] thxforyourbtc! : razer seems good
[2017-03-26 20:05:22] thxforyourbtc! : slim, powerful, and vr
[2017-03-26 20:06:50] lmnop : oh snap up 103%
[2017-03-26 20:06:54] lmnop : btfd
[2017-03-26 20:08:38] Winklevoss : /REKT
[2017-03-26 20:09:09] Winklevoss : /rekt
[2017-03-26 20:09:10] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 7 hours, 47 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 139303 @ 975.02 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 7 hours, 51 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 118577 @ 978.22 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 18 hours, 5 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: sell 250000 @ 0.00000930 ```
[2017-03-26 20:43:19] Dynamix : so many rekts damn
[2017-03-26 20:51:11] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2504 @ 973.84
[2017-03-26 20:52:30] ross : there goes the 100x kids
[2017-03-26 20:59:32] lmnop : DASH bouncing hard
[2017-03-26 20:59:34] lmnop : Roger wants some more
[2017-03-26 21:03:13] mdsmm : view on btc?
[2017-03-26 21:03:15] mdsmm : core
[2017-03-26 21:03:43] luric : BitMEX_Sam: thanks for kicking out the kids, no time to read all that BS and by the way, service is getting much better. Glad to be here
[2017-03-26 21:04:00] Shaman : /fork
[2017-03-26 21:04:01] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 786.49 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 180.13 (0.00%) SLQ : < 1 min```
[2017-03-26 21:04:17] luric : time to short again and get on alts
[2017-03-26 21:05:09] lmnop : i dont get it
[2017-03-26 21:05:23] lmnop : who fomo bought okc quarterly up to 999
[2017-03-26 21:05:31] lmnop : now it is 982
[2017-03-26 21:06:06] bingbongfly : lmnop: shorts closing?
[2017-03-26 21:06:17] bingbongfly : I've been buying tons here on XBTH17
[2017-03-26 21:06:23] bingbongfly : just because I'm closing out my short
[2017-03-26 21:08:10] luric : I've been shorting too since 1000 but looks like a steady down trend now
[2017-03-26 21:08:11] lmnop : ah
[2017-03-26 21:08:21] lmnop : DASH holders sold into strong hands
[2017-03-26 21:08:28] lmnop : now those strong hands buying it back up to 0.1
[2017-03-26 21:08:58] lmnop : between the master nodes, lost coins and what's on exchanges there isn't much supply for DASH
[2017-03-26 21:12:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 30000 @ 968.13
[2017-03-26 21:12:11] lmnop : BTC 10 hour low
[2017-03-26 21:16:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 159022 @ 964.56 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2017-03-26 21:16:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 48 @ 965.27
[2017-03-26 21:17:10] lmnop : bull trap complete
[2017-03-26 21:17:13] lmnop : 700's incoming
[2017-03-26 21:17:59] Gr33d : +1 if this breaks 955
[2017-03-26 21:18:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 4152 @ 963.38
[2017-03-26 21:18:32] REKT : Abandon the ship!
[2017-03-26 21:18:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 180 @ 963.19
[2017-03-26 21:19:16] thxforyourbtc! : Up on dash and btc BIGTIME
[2017-03-26 21:20:35] okdaowdkwadaw : ad
[2017-03-26 21:20:40] jayesh : 955 support removed from finex
[2017-03-26 21:21:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 4763 @ 968.00
[2017-03-26 21:21:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 50000 @ 961.48 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-03-26 21:21:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1360 @ 962.39
[2017-03-26 21:21:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1500 @ 962.40
[2017-03-26 21:21:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 200 @ 962.65
[2017-03-26 21:23:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2000 @ 959.14
[2017-03-26 21:23:23] Gr33d : ripcoin
[2017-03-26 21:23:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 30000 @ 957.72
[2017-03-26 21:24:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1230 @ 956.59
[2017-03-26 21:24:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 400 @ 955.84
[2017-03-26 21:24:48] Gr33d : laag
[2017-03-26 21:25:19] aron : Trump VS. Congress. Who win?
[2017-03-26 21:26:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2000 @ 958.79
[2017-03-26 21:26:52] lmnop : aron: the art of the deal
[2017-03-26 21:26:54] lmnop : of course trump
[2017-03-26 21:27:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHJ17`: buy 20 @ 0.052120
[2017-03-26 21:27:24] reyno : /sentiment
[2017-03-26 21:27:27] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 72.49 / 27.51 Daily : 47.04 / 52.96 Weekly : 50.54 / 49.46 Monthly : 52.77 / 47.23```
[2017-03-26 21:27:36] longbydefault : /sentiment
[2017-03-26 21:27:38] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 72.49 / 27.51 Daily : 47.04 / 52.96 Weekly : 50.54 / 49.46 Monthly : 52.77 / 47.23```
[2017-03-26 21:33:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 450 @ 960.12
[2017-03-26 21:35:11] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 3 @ 956.73 :punch: :whale:
[2017-03-26 21:35:28] MikeHunt : trumpcare dies taking paul ryan with it
[2017-03-26 21:35:30] MikeHunt : seems like a victory
[2017-03-26 21:35:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 500 @ 955.56
[2017-03-26 21:35:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 954.39
[2017-03-26 21:35:57] MikeHunt : obamacare on deaths doorstep with trump passing orders to nullify the harmful aspects of it
[2017-03-26 21:35:59] MikeHunt : win win
[2017-03-26 21:37:25] Gr33d : looks like $50 drop inc
[2017-03-26 21:47:57] Gr33d : wall dooown in 3...
[2017-03-26 21:49:48] Wonker : Again, when funding rate is negative, longs get paid?
[2017-03-26 21:49:52] Wonker : or vice versa?
[2017-03-26 21:50:16] Chewie : yeh neg means longs get paid and shorts pay
[2017-03-26 21:52:08] Gr33d : 2... 1..
[2017-03-26 21:52:11] Gr33d : down
[2017-03-26 21:52:18] Gr33d : heh
[2017-03-26 21:53:25] aguia7 : /sentiment
[2017-03-26 21:53:27] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 71.16 / 28.85 Daily : 48.93 / 51.07 Weekly : 50.71 / 49.29 Monthly : 52.81 / 47.19```
[2017-03-26 21:53:34] aguia7 : /fork
[2017-03-26 21:53:34] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 786.48 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 175.01 (-2.84%) SLQ : 49 mins```
[2017-03-26 21:54:30] Gr33d : /sentiment
[2017-03-26 21:54:32] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 70.89 / 29.11 Daily : 48.96 / 51.05 Weekly : 50.72 / 49.28 Monthly : 52.81 / 47.19```
[2017-03-26 21:55:01] Gr33d : 900 retest incoming
[2017-03-26 21:55:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 160 @ 950.73
[2017-03-26 21:55:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 100 @ 953.62
[2017-03-26 21:55:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 6500 @ 951.78
[2017-03-26 21:55:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 340000 @ 952.73 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2017-03-26 21:55:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 30000 @ 950.84
[2017-03-26 21:55:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 45 @ 952.59
[2017-03-26 21:55:25] Gr33d : 340000 wow
[2017-03-26 21:55:58] aron : XBT to go up or down in next hour?
[2017-03-26 21:56:04] aron : currently at 950
[2017-03-26 21:56:13] Gr33d : Likely down
[2017-03-26 21:56:22] Gr33d : Possible up to 970, then down
[2017-03-26 21:56:22] aron : why
[2017-03-26 21:56:22] frog : selling is strong
[2017-03-26 21:56:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHJ17`: buy 2 @ 0.052790
[2017-03-26 21:57:07] Gr33d : if it goes straight down now though I'd exspect 880 to hold personally
[2017-03-26 21:57:50] Gr33d : (and bounce)
[2017-03-26 21:59:07] ross : possible fake dump
[2017-03-26 21:59:15] aron : ross is da boss
[2017-03-26 21:59:24] ross : strong support here to 900
[2017-03-26 21:59:51] aethlios : 715 next, panic will hit whilw crossing ema200 and long tern trendline support
[2017-03-26 22:00:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 400 @ 955.50
[2017-03-26 22:02:12] ross : to be honest the green candle is gonna turn red in a min
[2017-03-26 22:04:30] frog : profit taking mostly small trades atm
[2017-03-26 22:08:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 1500 @ 975.37
[2017-03-26 22:08:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 7711 @ 958.25
[2017-03-26 22:09:20] ross : -0.420 pnl
[2017-03-26 22:09:30] ross : time for a joint
[2017-03-26 22:10:34] blacktuesday : BOUNCE
[2017-03-26 22:12:42] ttdorj : what is a future?
[2017-03-26 22:13:07] blacktuesday : future is life
[2017-03-26 22:14:10] blacktuesday : buy the dip
[2017-03-26 22:16:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 19200 @ 966.16
[2017-03-26 22:16:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1002 @ 965.32
[2017-03-26 22:16:27] blacktuesday : boom
[2017-03-26 22:17:20] Gr33d : Big short if this get to a high 97X
[2017-03-26 22:18:49] blacktuesday : no moar short
[2017-03-26 22:18:52] blacktuesday : nottom os in
[2017-03-26 22:18:56] blacktuesday : bottom is in
[2017-03-26 22:19:01] blacktuesday : buy buy buy
[2017-03-26 22:19:11] blacktuesday : back to twelve fiddy
[2017-03-26 22:20:06] Gr33d : /fork
[2017-03-26 22:20:13] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 786.48 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 175.01 (0.00%) SLQ : 26 mins```
[2017-03-26 22:21:35] ttdorj : where did you guys learn to trade?
[2017-03-26 22:22:22] Gr33d : blacktuesday: head and shoulders. All Imma say.
[2017-03-26 22:22:48] hmmmYea : /price
[2017-03-26 22:22:51] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 958.92 (0.00%) Bitfinex : 963.90 (0.00%) The Woodchipper : 968.09 (0.00%) itBit : 941.19 (0.00%) Kraken : 950.10 (0.00%) GDAX : 967.43 (0.00%) SLQ : < 1 min```
[2017-03-26 22:23:03] Gr33d : ttdorj: Self-taught, and I presume most "traders" of crypto are
[2017-03-26 22:23:32] emcor : guys
[2017-03-26 22:23:36] emcor : know what you are?
[2017-03-26 22:23:39] emcor : dogs and apes
[2017-03-26 22:23:43] emcor : predictable dogs and apes
[2017-03-26 22:23:55] Gr33d : emcor: cool story
[2017-03-26 22:24:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 8500 @ 951.68
[2017-03-26 22:24:02] REKT : Choppy waters make solid seamen!
[2017-03-26 22:24:11] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 28000 @ 956.88
[2017-03-26 22:26:20] Gr33d : /rekt
[2017-03-26 22:26:20] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 31 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 340000 @ 952.73 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 1 hour, 9 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 159022 @ 964.56 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 10 hours, 5 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 139303 @ 975.02 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ```
[2017-03-26 22:32:58] bigpapa : evening from Canada all!
[2017-03-26 22:37:47] rapidtrades : /fork
[2017-03-26 22:37:47] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 786.48 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 175.01 (0.00%) SLQ : 17 mins```
[2017-03-26 22:39:47] aron : BTC = undervalued?
[2017-03-26 22:39:55] aron : 786+175= 981
[2017-03-26 22:40:05] aron : 981*
[2017-03-26 22:40:36] j8 : wut
[2017-03-26 22:42:17] aron : btc real value 961
[2017-03-26 22:42:21] aron : this site give 949
[2017-03-26 22:44:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2028 @ 951.27
[2017-03-26 22:45:06] aron : j8 u agree?
[2017-03-26 22:45:31] emcor : guys
[2017-03-26 22:45:34] emcor : why noone buys the dip?
[2017-03-26 22:45:39] emcor : go ahead!
[2017-03-26 22:45:48] emcor : R E T A R D S
[2017-03-26 22:45:56] Gr33d : emcor: calm down
[2017-03-26 22:46:17] Gr33d : aron: No.
[2017-03-26 22:46:29] aron : y no
[2017-03-26 22:46:39] Gr33d : /price
[2017-03-26 22:46:41] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 945.04 (-1.45%) Bitfinex : 952.03 (-1.23%) The Woodchipper : 958.01 (-1.04%) itBit : 933.30 (-0.84%) Kraken : 932.43 (-1.86%) GDAX : 956.79 (-1.10%) SLQ : 23 mins```
[2017-03-26 22:46:58] aron : ?
[2017-03-26 22:47:05] Gr33d : /fork
[2017-03-26 22:47:05] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 786.48 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 175.01 (0.00%) SLQ : 9 mins```
[2017-03-26 22:47:17] ross : -0.6 pnl
[2017-03-26 22:47:20] aron : 786+175
[2017-03-26 22:47:21] ross : cmon guys buy le dip
[2017-03-26 22:47:55] Gr33d : @aron it's not linear
[2017-03-26 22:48:03] aron : then?
[2017-03-26 22:48:37] aron : shouldnt btc become 786 after fork is implemented?
[2017-03-26 22:48:50] aron : i mean its already implemented but still
[2017-03-26 22:49:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 8000 @ 953.78
[2017-03-26 22:49:46] Gr33d : aron: no
[2017-03-26 22:49:58] Gr33d : aron: BtU likely falls
[2017-03-26 22:50:32] frog : aron: i think yes but get token for 175 so value not destroyed
[2017-03-26 22:51:43] datboiyuan : those are just made up tokens on bitfinex, not actual prices of btc
[2017-03-26 22:51:51] Gr33d : I repeat: XBT to go up or down in next hour? currently at 950 [22:56] Gr33d: Likely down Possible up to 970, then down
[2017-03-26 22:51:53] datboiyuan : similar to COIN binary ere
[2017-03-26 22:52:14] santiagosg : when is the fork going to take place?
[2017-03-26 22:52:38] frog : possibly never
[2017-03-26 22:52:49] santiagosg : why is that?
[2017-03-26 22:52:57] ross : santiagosg: tomorrow
[2017-03-26 22:53:11] frog : i think all parties agree would hurt bitcoin economy
[2017-03-26 22:53:45] Gr33d : 4sure
[2017-03-26 22:53:51] frog : maybe be attractive for miners to increase short term returns but may hurt in long run
[2017-03-26 22:53:52] Gr33d : I might make my own BTC fork
[2017-03-26 22:54:05] Tetsuo : https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-unlimited-derivative-introduced-ahead-of-possible-hard-fork
[2017-03-26 22:54:17] ross : "possible" being the key word here
[2017-03-26 22:54:49] frog : costs for miners increase, difficulty increase returns go down
[2017-03-26 22:56:00] aron : i made an order using post only
[2017-03-26 22:56:07] aron : now i want to sell at market price
[2017-03-26 22:56:15] aron : but im afraid of fees
[2017-03-26 22:56:23] aron : what should i do?
[2017-03-26 22:56:29] frog : fee for service likely to be more sustainable but if they hurt viability of BTC will not be possible and allow other cryptos to get established
[2017-03-26 22:57:09] aron : i make like 1 usd on the trade
[2017-03-26 22:57:14] aron : u guys think not worth?
[2017-03-26 22:57:15] rapidtrades : The exchange has put all Bitcoin withdrawals on hold for at least one week, highlighting the need to protect their users’ funds from potential replay attacks in case of a network split.
[2017-03-26 22:57:19] rapidtrades : wtf
[2017-03-26 22:57:38] aron : rapidtrades what does that mean?
[2017-03-26 22:57:43] aron : cant we just short btc?
[2017-03-26 22:57:53] aron : if we expect network to split
[2017-03-26 22:58:41] datboiyuan : no you'd want to own your btc and not have it on an exchange
[2017-03-26 22:58:58] frog : rapidtrades: which exchange?
[2017-03-26 22:58:58] aron : why is that?
[2017-03-26 22:59:06] aethlios : rapidtrades: which exchange??
[2017-03-26 22:59:13] aron : why would i want to own it if network is going to split?
[2017-03-26 22:59:24] datboiyuan : when your btc is on an exchange, you don't own it, they do bc they control the private keys
[2017-03-26 22:59:44] BitMEX_Sam : aethlios: That's from the article, HitBTC
[2017-03-26 23:00:07] datboiyuan : but Sam promised to send us all BTU in the event of a fork, so we're good
[2017-03-26 23:00:42] aethlios : BitMEX_Sam: Hello Sam, will be a fork 1st june bitcoin classic?? this is a 3rd group?
[2017-03-26 23:00:46] hmmmYea : did anyone else see the hitbtc arb before it disappeared?
[2017-03-26 23:00:57] hmmmYea : so yummmmmmmy
[2017-03-26 23:01:06] BitMEX_Sam : aethlios: I'm not sure what you're asking.
[2017-03-26 23:02:22] startChat : /fork
[2017-03-26 23:02:23] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 801.33 (1.89%) Bitfinex BCU : 168.00 (-4.01%) SLQ : 15 mins```
[2017-03-26 23:08:15] tb : BitMEX_Sam: early this month i opened a support ticket about the bitmex website logging me out on my ios device even though i have safe session duration off, have you guys made any progress with this ticket?
[2017-03-26 23:09:08] rapidtrades : @Tetsuo they're still buying the dip bra
[2017-03-26 23:09:11] BitMEX_Sam : tb: We have been unable to replicate this; I'm keeping an eye on it and we have an upgrade in the near-term future that will land on that part of the system.
[2017-03-26 23:09:53] tb : wait, in your email you mentioned you were able to replicate
[2017-03-26 23:10:55] aron : why am i unable to buy?
[2017-03-26 23:11:15] aron : it canxels my orders
[2017-03-26 23:11:26] Gr33d : aron: Is your account balance = 0?
[2017-03-26 23:11:30] aron : no
[2017-03-26 23:11:39] aron : i have more than 0.2 btc
[2017-03-26 23:11:50] aron : im buying 100 usd using 10x leverage
[2017-03-26 23:13:04] frog : system automatically saving you from losing money perhaps?
[2017-03-26 23:13:07] aron : lol
[2017-03-26 23:13:21] aron : i guess maybe because i just cleared a 1000 usd order
[2017-03-26 23:16:16] aron : oh if it executes against resting orders it cancels instead
[2017-03-26 23:18:52] tb : uncheck post only
[2017-03-26 23:20:15] rapidtrades : STOP BUYING AUTISTS
[2017-03-26 23:21:19] BitMEX_Sam : tb: My mistake, been very busy; on a physical device yes, on a simulator no, this makes it very difficult to debug. I'll see what we can do in the near term
[2017-03-26 23:21:39] tb : ok clear, thanks for the update
[2017-03-26 23:36:11] zanza : rapidtrades: price target?
[2017-03-26 23:37:50] Todd : Is it possible to put on a Long position in the Perpetual Swap and a Short position in the futures market at the same time, or, do I need to enter each "leg" separately?
[2017-03-26 23:38:06] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2017-03-26 23:38:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASHJ17`: buy 15 @ 0.096276
[2017-03-26 23:38:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASHJ17`: buy 11 @ 0.096750
[2017-03-26 23:39:40] aethlios : Todd: each "leg" separately?
[2017-03-26 23:40:22] Gr33d : /fork
[2017-03-26 23:40:23] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 801.33 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 160.00 (-4.76%) SLQ : 38 mins```
[2017-03-26 23:40:37] Todd : @aethlios Do I need to do two separate trades, or is there a way to do them at once (where I could also enter a limit order)?
[2017-03-26 23:41:13] aethlios : Todd: you different trades, different and independent products
[2017-03-26 23:41:39] ross : someone go to dash and buy my remaining position at 0.097
[2017-03-26 23:42:24] Todd : ok, gotcha, makes sense, thank u !
[2017-03-26 23:43:57] aethlios : Todd: this is a bear strategy, being hedged and earning funding while june goes in discount.
[2017-03-26 23:48:37] Todd : would I need to "net" my perp swap position to be both hedged on my physical btc and participate in arb trade? Since I can't have two opposing perp swap positions?
[2017-03-27 00:07:20] aethlios : Todd: if you also want to hedge your physical btc is another trade. if market is bear then better hedge with june so you don't pay longs funding. so if you have 10 btc capital and want to arb 10 btc, then you go 20 short june and 10 long swap.
[2017-03-27 00:08:34] aethlios : (10 long swap 10 short june = arb trade), (10 short june is hedge 10 physical btc)
[2017-03-27 00:11:16] datboiyuan : btc aren't physical fam
[2017-03-27 00:17:01] startChat : 835 by tommorrow
[2017-03-27 00:17:24] hmmmYea : they are only in computers. this i can confirm.
[2017-03-27 00:19:15] santiagosg : /fork
[2017-03-27 00:19:15] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 801.33 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 154.83 (-3.23%) SLQ : 38 mins```
[2017-03-27 00:41:42] KingTuna : I am currently hedged on a 1x short on XBT.. If I was XBTM17 short x 1 , wouldn't this make more sense to avoid paying funding in a bear market? What's the pros vs cons of going with one over the other?
[2017-03-27 00:48:41] aethlios : KingTuna: if market continue bear is better to be short long term (june) because swap will have negative funding. when in bull market best to be short short term to earn funding or short june if premium is very good (let's say 8% for 3 months and you lock it)
[2017-03-27 00:52:31] KingTuna : aethlios: So if I trade short term -Once every couple of days, but like to hedge (protect my fiat total) overnight, as I cannot watch, I may as well then go for June and close out position when I want to use it to trade alt coins?
[2017-03-27 00:54:59] Buba : /fork
[2017-03-27 00:55:00] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 781.80 (-2.44%) Bitfinex BCU : 165.33 (6.78%) SLQ : 35 mins```
[2017-03-27 00:55:33] aethlios : KingTuna: i don't get what you mean. you can't hedge unhedge every night, will lose on spread fees. hedge means i want my capital to always be in usd. if you then want to trade btc long or short then you just add new positions.
[2017-03-27 00:56:14] aethlios : also trade alts the same way
[2017-03-27 01:22:44] alejandromasari : it is time for the shorts to get rekt.
[2017-03-27 01:24:13] KingTuna : aethlios: So I have a 1xshort XBT at the moment. if the funding is -0.30% overnight, I have to pay $200 equivalent .. So a fee would be less than the funding for me.. But when i see an opportunity during the day, I'll close my 1 x hedge on all my capital for an alt trade and then back again t 1 x hedge
[2017-03-27 01:24:18] frog : KingTuna: Do you want to hedge the bitcoin in your wallet rather than your trades?
[2017-03-27 01:24:46] KingTuna : frog: that'd be ideal
[2017-03-27 01:25:57] frog : you can't hedge away risk forever but may be useful to hedge until fork resolved
[2017-03-27 01:26:24] aethlios : KingTuna: why to close the hedge in order to trade alts?? can''t doy trade alts with keeping the hedge??
[2017-03-27 01:31:24] frog : If I had enough bitcoins to be concerned I would hedge around 50% ie sell futures and roll to next maturity close to expiry. This would reduce risk, if difficult to cash out
[2017-03-27 01:31:46] KingTuna : aethlios: No coz I have hedged say $45k in contracts (my exact balance) and have 0 available. So I need to close some of my position to get into an alt
[2017-03-27 01:32:55] aethlios : KingTuna: you can use leverage, if you have 50 btc deposited and 1x short then you have 45 btc free margin to trade alts.
[2017-03-27 01:33:40] aethlios : you can hedge here 50 btc and keep 35 btc in a pc wallet and only 15 here.
[2017-03-27 01:34:39] aethlios : use cross leverage
[2017-03-27 01:35:09] aethlios : this will free much capital to trade everything else while keeping the hedge stable
[2017-03-27 01:37:59] rapidtrades : STOP BUYING
[2017-03-27 01:38:30] DorianWhack-A-Moto : /fork
[2017-03-27 01:38:31] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 801.99 (2.58%) Bitfinex BCU : 165.33 (0.00%) SLQ : 43 mins```
[2017-03-27 01:39:00] DorianWhack-A-Moto : need a short in at 1000. pump it guys.
[2017-03-27 01:40:48] tacarro : guys how to close pos on with the left indice indicator?? not the mark price
[2017-03-27 01:41:11] tacarro : lost a lot with shit heresince 2 weeks
[2017-03-27 01:41:20] herpinator : wall gettin eaten
[2017-03-27 01:41:59] tacarro : each time i close i loose 10-15 %
[2017-03-27 01:43:33] KingTuna : aethlios: Great, idea.. I will have a look into that !:) And then I can hedge using June ?
[2017-03-27 01:44:24] aethlios : KingTuna: june is better for long term no cost hedge (no funding).
[2017-03-27 01:47:54] aethlios : KingTuna: also can have half your capital here and half in a wallet at home, so you reduce the risk bitmex defaults, and because of leverage yo ucan hedge 100% your total capital and also trade other pairs.
[2017-03-27 02:25:38] santiagosg : what do you guys think, long or short?
[2017-03-27 02:26:29] aguia7 : Short point
[2017-03-27 02:27:06] aguia7 : if no, stop :)
[2017-03-27 02:38:46] puppet : Tetsuo . . . is that for Tetsu Oishi?
[2017-03-27 02:40:54] puppet : not to imply anyone here is Tesu Oishi, anymore than anyone here is a tuna
[2017-03-27 02:42:37] puppet : about Tetsu Oishi:
[2017-03-27 02:42:47] puppet : "A full time Bitcoinner, enthusiast and investor: My mission is rebuild the whole world decentralized."
[2017-03-27 02:43:08] puppet : "Helping some Bitcoin start-up as adviser and consultant."
[2017-03-27 02:51:14] x84 : test
[2017-03-27 03:02:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 150 @ 971.00
[2017-03-27 03:07:12] KingTuna : aethlios: Thanks!
[2017-03-27 03:08:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 170 @ 969.03
[2017-03-27 03:09:55] puppet : nvm, this seems much more likely . . . http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096251/
[2017-03-27 03:12:54] puppet : what would you guys do without puppet's insights? huh?
[2017-03-27 03:14:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 23121 @ 965.99
[2017-03-27 03:15:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2000 @ 963.28
[2017-03-27 04:51:55] Rado : Death in here
[2017-03-27 04:52:06] Rado : June now has premium
[2017-03-27 04:52:10] Rado : very strange
[2017-03-27 05:07:45] arbitrage101 : cuz the sentiment is negative
[2017-03-27 05:16:09] luqide : hello
[2017-03-27 05:35:16] frog : Rado: maybe the index change
[2017-03-27 05:39:13] Dnavid : DorianWhack-A-Moto: I wonder if US folks will still want to buy sub-$1000 btc later when they wake up, pumping it up again to $1000, even $1040.
[2017-03-27 05:45:26] TA : Come on 1000$
[2017-03-27 05:51:23] aethlios : when RV will drop the fork bomb announcement??
[2017-03-27 05:52:52] arbitrage101 : not up to him
[2017-03-27 05:54:19] aethlios : arbitrage101: did you hear about bitcoin classic fork 1st june?? 3 bitcoins possible??
[2017-03-27 05:54:27] arbitrage101 : nope
[2017-03-27 05:54:37] arbitrage101 : but chaos is good for trading
[2017-03-27 05:55:20] arbitrage101 : where is the 3rd come from
[2017-03-27 05:58:29] aethlios : arbitrage101: https://medium.com/@olivierjanss this person had an article that they will fork 1st june, ticker bcl and will be traded in finex. start with 8mb blocks, but article now is down.
[2017-03-27 05:59:08] arbitrage101 : this is 3rd version?
[2017-03-27 05:59:13] arbitrage101 : and who is that guy
[2017-03-27 05:59:21] arbitrage101 : can we start a 4th version
[2017-03-27 05:59:26] arbitrage101 : buttcoin edition
[2017-03-27 05:59:46] aethlios : bitcoin mex with added trading features.
[2017-03-27 05:59:58] aethlios : ticker BMX
[2017-03-27 06:00:13] aethlios : cyclists will buy it.
[2017-03-27 06:00:18] arbitrage101 : i nominate rapidtrade for bitcorn ceo
[2017-03-27 06:00:33] aethlios : arbitrage101: better PR specialist.
[2017-03-27 06:01:59] arbitrage101 : most people dont pay attention
[2017-03-27 06:02:04] aethlios : btc now looks like julius caesar, anyone close to it wants to stick a knife on its body
[2017-03-27 06:02:08] arbitrage101 : i == most people
[2017-03-27 06:02:19] arbitrage101 : of course
[2017-03-27 06:02:23] arbitrage101 : lots of money
[2017-03-27 06:02:37] arbitrage101 : and take advantage of the situation
[2017-03-27 06:04:27] arbitrage101 : dont think bitcoin is looking good long term wise
[2017-03-27 06:05:52] mark121 : if fork takes place
[2017-03-27 06:05:56] mark121 : run for the fkn hills
[2017-03-27 06:06:42] mark121 : what is liklihood of it taking place?
[2017-03-27 06:06:45] arbitrage101 : good for alt coin
[2017-03-27 06:06:48] arbitrage101 : check eth price
[2017-03-27 06:06:53] mark121 : yep
[2017-03-27 06:07:12] arbitrage101 : think i will buy xmr the next time it has big correction
[2017-03-27 06:07:19] mark121 : i converted most of my btc to eth
[2017-03-27 06:07:26] arbitrage101 : at what price?
[2017-03-27 06:08:02] mark121 : from about 1200 to 1080 (btc price) and eth all sub .037
[2017-03-27 06:08:18] arbitrage101 : nice
[2017-03-27 06:08:26] arbitrage101 : glad we have sleger in this chat
[2017-03-27 06:08:41] arbitrage101 : otherwise, i would never touch eth
[2017-03-27 06:08:52] mark121 : when eth was 6 bucks and every1 was sayin its done
[2017-03-27 06:08:59] arbitrage101 : yes
[2017-03-27 06:09:00] mark121 : i bought as muc as i cud in real coin
[2017-03-27 06:09:11] arbitrage101 : wasing looking good
[2017-03-27 06:09:16] arbitrage101 : china choose etc
[2017-03-27 06:09:47] mark121 : its just a good general rule in trading/investing.. buy when blood is in the streets
[2017-03-27 06:09:59] arbitrage101 : not in alt coin ..
[2017-03-27 06:10:17] arbitrage101 : all the coins who made buzz never recover
[2017-03-27 06:10:25] arbitrage101 : and slowing fading away
[2017-03-27 06:10:32] mark121 : to me they arent all the same
[2017-03-27 06:10:34] arbitrage101 : slowly
[2017-03-27 06:10:39] arbitrage101 : same to me
[2017-03-27 06:10:39] mark121 : eth was clearly the #2 coin for a while
[2017-03-27 06:10:44] mark121 : stil is
[2017-03-27 06:10:48] mark121 : in terms of reocgnition
[2017-03-27 06:11:07] arbitrage101 : holding eth still have high risk
[2017-03-27 06:11:26] arbitrage101 : may never implement what they think they can do
[2017-03-27 06:11:38] mark121 : if btc breaks 1k ETH becomes much riskier to hold
[2017-03-27 06:11:50] mark121 : in the short term
[2017-03-27 06:12:20] mark121 : ya its true
[2017-03-27 06:13:17] mark121 : XMR could blossom even more
[2017-03-27 06:13:19] aethlios : arbitrage101: bu acceprance 44% now, close to 50%, must be highest
[2017-03-27 06:13:44] mark121 : its all predicated upon these fork shanaginas
[2017-03-27 06:13:52] mark121 : shananagins?
[2017-03-27 06:13:55] arbitrage101 : aethlios: market is pricing bcu quite low
[2017-03-27 06:13:59] mark121 : shanavagina
[2017-03-27 06:14:25] Gr33d : mark121: That escalatedquickly
[2017-03-27 06:14:25] arbitrage101 : aethlios: trader and miner fighting isnt good
[2017-03-27 06:14:41] arbitrage101 : disagreement on price
[2017-03-27 06:14:43] mark121 : Gr33d: lol :>
[2017-03-27 06:14:44] aethlios : arbitrage101: because the finex token won't have value if nu goes to 80% and core forks to survive.
[2017-03-27 06:15:08] arbitrage101 : all this is good for alt
[2017-03-27 06:15:14] arbitrage101 : keep fighting
[2017-03-27 06:16:42] aethlios : bulls saved their life with the ema200, now pushed price above support 950, they have to defend 950 hoping from some good news, below 950 spot then a strong deep sell off will start, because technically btc enters bear market.
[2017-03-27 06:17:01] mark121 : technically?
[2017-03-27 06:17:10] mark121 : thats not how it works :P
[2017-03-27 06:17:33] mark121 : more sentiment than analytical
[2017-03-27 06:18:05] aethlios : breaking major technical levels will escalate sentiment.
[2017-03-27 06:18:08] mark121 : then again, its bull and bear cycles - and u have secular, primary, intermediatte, etc
[2017-03-27 06:18:37] mark121 : btc should be in a secular bull for another 19 years but it could be the end of the first primary
[2017-03-27 06:18:44] arbitrage101 : will be interesting to see what happen in coin price
[2017-03-27 06:18:52] arbitrage101 : on the next financial meltdown
[2017-03-27 06:18:55] aethlios : price expresses available info known and unkonow to the public, so better trust price and not your biased info.
[2017-03-27 06:18:59] mark121 : yep and thats June
[2017-03-27 06:19:51] aethlios : arbitrage101: silver gold coins also.
[2017-03-27 06:19:53] mark121 : yes I am a technical guy, but nevertheless some macro factors like the meltdown wil play a role in the near term
[2017-03-27 06:20:07] mark121 : strong believer in the efficient market hypothesis :p
[2017-03-27 06:21:26] mark121 : prices expresses known info
[2017-03-27 06:22:25] mark121 : unknown is exactly that, unknown -
[2017-03-27 06:22:54] mark121 : (given a fair and honest market)
[2017-03-27 06:23:27] mark121 : (oxymoron)
[2017-03-27 06:23:56] arbitrage101 : doubt you can find any honest market in the world
[2017-03-27 06:23:59] arbitrage101 : or fair
[2017-03-27 06:24:15] mark121 : hence oxymoron :)
[2017-03-27 06:24:44] aethlios : mark121: unknown to the public, known to insiders. RV is an insider, he will now the fork date before us, so he can start dumping on our bids while we happily buy the bargain.
[2017-03-27 06:25:15] arbitrage101 : there is no bitcoin insider
[2017-03-27 06:25:25] arbitrage101 : he is just a gambler like us
[2017-03-27 06:25:26] mark121 : i was saving u the trouble with my comment aethlios
[2017-03-27 06:25:37] arbitrage101 : a better gambler
[2017-03-27 06:25:49] arbitrage101 : doesnt mean he will win all the time
[2017-03-27 06:26:15] mark121 : btc is an extremely manipulated market
[2017-03-27 06:26:26] aethlios : arbitrage101: i think he will make the bet of his life now.
[2017-03-27 06:26:36] arbitrage101 : kind of pointless
[2017-03-27 06:26:42] arbitrage101 : he is already very rich
[2017-03-27 06:26:45] arbitrage101 : settle for life
[2017-03-27 06:26:53] arbitrage101 : who still gambling is beyond me
[2017-03-27 06:26:56] arbitrage101 : why
[2017-03-27 06:26:57] aethlios : a multimillion bet, because he will have to keep btu and dump core.
[2017-03-27 06:26:57] mark121 : thats why i laugh when people think news moves btc on its own merit
[2017-03-27 06:28:04] mark121 : much mor eoften than not, (pboc stuff for example) its just used as an excuse to move the market
[2017-03-27 06:29:34] mark121 : part of me wonders if this fork stuff is all a big fear generator to scoop up even more coins prior to the push beyond 1500
[2017-03-27 06:30:11] mark121 : technically speaking, once these lows should have been the final time we saw 3 digits for years to come
[2017-03-27 06:30:47] mark121 : *remove word once
[2017-03-27 06:30:54] laisee : mark121: there will be an almighty p.u.m.p once hard fork occurs. from 1k to 10k
[2017-03-27 06:31:41] mark121 : thats possible but about equal possibility of coin suicide
[2017-03-27 06:31:56] mark121 : why put your money in a coin that forks when ppl disagree
[2017-03-27 06:31:59] zerozeroOne : How can I check wrecked?
[2017-03-27 06:32:08] laisee : coinicide?
[2017-03-27 06:32:13] mark121 : each time a coin forks you are exposed to twice the risks
[2017-03-27 06:32:19] mark121 : exactly!
[2017-03-27 06:32:43] laisee : ... Bitcoin is dead! And we killed it!
[2017-03-27 06:32:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 3890 @ 968.95
[2017-03-27 06:34:59] mark121 : saw someone ask bitmex to give the trollbox "marking"
[2017-03-27 06:35:12] mark121 : i could not disagree more, thanks
[2017-03-27 06:35:19] zerozeroOne : :)
[2017-03-27 06:35:31] zerozeroOne : Last thing we need is a place more like Pump and Dumpiex
[2017-03-27 06:35:48] mark121 : ^ to check /rekt
[2017-03-27 06:35:57] mark121 : /rekt
[2017-03-27 06:35:58] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 8 hours, 40 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 340000 @ 952.73 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 9 hours, 19 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 159022 @ 964.56 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 18 hours, 14 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 139303 @ 975.02 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ```
[2017-03-27 06:35:58] laisee : zerozeroOne: check the api call https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/order/liquidations
[2017-03-27 06:36:30] laisee : or subscribe to twitter handle @rektbitmex
[2017-03-27 06:36:43] zerozeroOne : Sweet
[2017-03-27 06:36:46] zerozeroOne : @wheelchairjuice
[2017-03-27 06:37:25] laisee : cool. spotted the w/c juice
[2017-03-27 06:37:57] zerozeroOne : https://twitter.com/wheelchairjuice/status/846149436338155520
[2017-03-27 06:38:05] zerozeroOne : I'm crushing all the margins here :)
[2017-03-27 06:38:09] zerozeroOne : In both directions xD
[2017-03-27 06:38:18] zerozeroOne : All your $BTC is mine :)
[2017-03-27 06:40:03] laisee : actually, the other way around if u really bought the entire DASH order book?
[2017-03-27 06:40:24] zerozeroOne : You sure about that? I know more about trading than anyone in the world
[2017-03-27 06:40:35] zerozeroOne : I invented my own financial instruments
[2017-03-27 06:40:44] zerozeroOne : How else can I afford to short $ETH and $DASH at the same time?
[2017-03-27 06:40:46] mark121 : me tooo, its called the taxaphone
[2017-03-27 06:41:41] mark121 : similar to a sax
[2017-03-27 06:41:54] laisee : zerozeroOne: ur pretty good at blowing ur own horn ... ;-)
[2017-03-27 06:41:55] zerozeroOne : I call it IRCFD : Inverted Reciprocal Contract For Difference
[2017-03-27 06:42:08] zerozeroOne : Want to see something cool?
[2017-03-27 06:42:14] mark121 : mines better
[2017-03-27 06:42:38] zerozeroOne : I've inverted all chart indicators. A short goes up. A long goes down. :)
[2017-03-27 06:43:11] laisee : sounds like the new breed of TA killing it globally
[2017-03-27 06:43:14] mark121 : so u can use ur laptop upside down
[2017-03-27 06:43:18] zerozeroOne : Feel that? https://twitter.com/wheelchairjuice/status/846251206888476672
[2017-03-27 06:43:28] zerozeroOne : Notice the MACD
[2017-03-27 06:43:46] mark121 : u use macd?
[2017-03-27 06:43:55] mark121 : barf
[2017-03-27 06:44:02] frog : mark121: at the end of the last little dump, sellers effectively sold down the walls at 950 and then just stopped, the selling didn't end with heavy buying, it just stopped paused and started to slowly go up
[2017-03-27 06:44:03] zerozeroOne : I am the MACD :P
[2017-03-27 06:44:29] mark121 : aye frog
[2017-03-27 06:44:52] laisee : MAC'D out, totally
[2017-03-27 06:46:01] zerozeroOne : Have some more wreck :)
[2017-03-27 06:46:06] zerozeroOne : Watch this
[2017-03-27 06:46:11] datboiyuan : mods this guy was banned earlier
[2017-03-27 06:46:58] mark121 : snitch
[2017-03-27 06:46:59] zerozeroOne : Oh no. What ever you do, don't ban me again :P
[2017-03-27 06:47:03] zerozeroOne : I only have 100 static IPs
[2017-03-27 06:47:06] zerozeroOne : Master Troll
[2017-03-27 06:47:08] zerozeroOne : Get Wrecked
[2017-03-27 06:47:33] zerozeroOne : Good thing you have this IRC client :P
[2017-03-27 06:47:52] zerozeroOne : Feel that bend? What's that about my MACD again?
[2017-03-27 06:48:30] zerozeroOne : Let's see that one more time
[2017-03-27 06:48:53] mark121 : macd is slow and for noobs
[2017-03-27 06:49:12] mark121 : sorry to breake it to ya
[2017-03-27 06:49:19] zerozeroOne : Which is why I'm wrecking you. I have over 100 indicators and you can't read a single one
[2017-03-27 06:49:28] mark121 : u need 100 indicators?
[2017-03-27 06:49:32] Gr33d : zerozeroOne: LOL.
[2017-03-27 06:49:36] zerozeroOne : Yep
[2017-03-27 06:49:41] mark121 : Ouch
[2017-03-27 06:50:14] zerozeroOne : Enjoy your wreck https://twitter.com/wheelchairjuice/status/846184517790416896
[2017-03-27 06:50:30] zerozeroOne : Keep shorting my pump. I promise I'll won't sell to you
[2017-03-27 06:50:40] zerozeroOne : I won't *
[2017-03-27 06:50:51] zerozeroOne : I inverted the short/long pattern, but don't believe me.
[2017-03-27 06:51:07] mark121 : Im not sure what there is to believe
[2017-03-27 06:51:17] zerozeroOne : Exactly. Def, dumb, and blind
[2017-03-27 06:51:28] mark121 : Dont talk about yourself like that
[2017-03-27 06:51:32] mark121 : everyone starts somewhere.
[2017-03-27 06:51:33] zerozeroOne : I live to crush.
[2017-03-27 06:51:44] mark121 : man chode? why wud u tell us that
[2017-03-27 06:51:52] zerozeroOne : You start at the bottom or the top. I created the both.
[2017-03-27 06:52:10] zerozeroOne : http://namechangebypass.imgur.com/
[2017-03-27 06:52:11] mark121 : U created barebacking ?
[2017-03-27 06:52:30] zerozeroOne : I created fucking your eyes out with the spine of your aborted daughter
[2017-03-27 06:52:56] mark121 : That seems quite simple
[2017-03-27 06:53:02] Actualiteit : lol
[2017-03-27 06:53:26] Gr33d : zerozeroOne: Oh shit I get it you are too young to buy btc so you can't actually trade so you just shit talk all day. Cool.