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BitMEX disabled their archive after the DDOS attack so I have decided to make my mirror publicly available.

Well now, a few days after I made this mirror available to the public, the original archive from BitMEX is online again.
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[2017-03-24 23:22:02] MikeHunt : DooM
[2017-03-24 23:22:04] etoque : no more debt for me lol
[2017-03-24 23:22:06] KyllingLolsson : as a joke?
[2017-03-24 23:22:18] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: the joke may well be on the longs
[2017-03-24 23:22:26] Alignment : 950 is still ok
[2017-03-24 23:22:28] KyllingLolsson : MikeHunt: eeh
[2017-03-24 23:22:31] Alignment : not far from1K
[2017-03-24 23:22:37] Alignment : put it at 700s
[2017-03-24 23:22:39] Alignment : there it will hurt
[2017-03-24 23:22:45] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: i made this before etf decision.... http://i.imgur.com/yLneuGF.png
[2017-03-24 23:22:49] MikeHunt : may well come trye
[2017-03-24 23:22:51] MikeHunt : true
[2017-03-24 23:23:18] KyllingLolsson : nah, but eth will boom thats for sure
[2017-03-24 23:23:22] TCortese : lol
[2017-03-24 23:23:23] gustavo7 : lets break 6500 CNY
[2017-03-24 23:23:28] DoubleU : stamp new low
[2017-03-24 23:23:31] DoubleU : bitfinex next
[2017-03-24 23:23:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 51822 @ 910.59 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-03-24 23:23:38] gustavo7 : DONE
[2017-03-24 23:23:39] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: btc is open to competition if it forks and BU team keep being incompetnant
[2017-03-24 23:23:39] KyllingLolsson : MikeHunt: ur argument seems just made up
[2017-03-24 23:24:03] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: ive said it before, i liken btc to Rome
[2017-03-24 23:24:06] MikeHunt : its had its peak
[2017-03-24 23:24:14] KyllingLolsson : MikeHunt: can u argue for that
[2017-03-24 23:24:26] KyllingLolsson : or do you feel?
[2017-03-24 23:24:45] KyllingLolsson : U cant make things up
[2017-03-24 23:24:46] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: early days it was like republic, devs were good, btc was good
[2017-03-24 23:24:53] KyllingLolsson : whatever
[2017-03-24 23:24:55] KyllingLolsson : troll
[2017-03-24 23:24:59] MikeHunt : then blockstream bought them over and turned it into a dictatorship
[2017-03-24 23:25:03] MikeHunt : Republic -> Empire
[2017-03-24 23:25:10] KyllingLolsson : k
[2017-03-24 23:25:25] MikeHunt : idea of ETF held the community together
[2017-03-24 23:25:37] MikeHunt : now barbarian altcoins are at the gates
[2017-03-24 23:25:40] KyllingLolsson : its still in its infancy
[2017-03-24 23:25:47] KyllingLolsson : its a new thingy
[2017-03-24 23:25:48] MikeHunt : are you a perma bull?
[2017-03-24 23:25:55] KyllingLolsson : internet took long time to dev
[2017-03-24 23:26:08] KyllingLolsson : no, oppertunist.
[2017-03-24 23:26:24] MikeHunt : i see blockchain tech and bitcoin price as uncorrelated
[2017-03-24 23:26:25] KyllingLolsson : btc not ded yet
[2017-03-24 23:26:45] MikeHunt : btc's price is based purely on emotion
[2017-03-24 23:26:47] KyllingLolsson : but they are dependent on eachotehr
[2017-03-24 23:26:50] KyllingLolsson : eachother
[2017-03-24 23:27:04] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: not really
[2017-03-24 23:27:08] KyllingLolsson : explain
[2017-03-24 23:27:25] ross : Phew we going up, might not get liquidated after all
[2017-03-24 23:27:26] MikeHunt : bitcoins price has no impact on blockchain implementation
[2017-03-24 23:27:42] KyllingLolsson : MikeHunt: no not price perhaps, but the usage of it
[2017-03-24 23:27:47] KyllingLolsson : demand
[2017-03-24 23:27:54] KyllingLolsson : = price
[2017-03-24 23:27:59] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: no
[2017-03-24 23:28:06] huminahhuminahuminah : hey guys, I'm trying to set a stop limit for one of my long trades, but the sell button is greyed out. Any idea why?
[2017-03-24 23:28:13] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: anyone can use blockchain tech un connected to btc
[2017-03-24 23:28:21] Sultan Pepper : huminahhuminahuminah: click the order book
[2017-03-24 23:28:21] huminahhuminahuminah : nvm.
[2017-03-24 23:28:24] MikeHunt : infact thats what major companies are doing
[2017-03-24 23:28:29] MikeHunt : not using btc....
[2017-03-24 23:28:38] KyllingLolsson : MikeHunt: but why is any crypto worth anything then
[2017-03-24 23:28:44] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: faith
[2017-03-24 23:28:48] KyllingLolsson : MikeHunt: true
[2017-03-24 23:28:49] MikeHunt : just like paper money
[2017-03-24 23:28:56] KyllingLolsson : MikeHunt: we will all die right?
[2017-03-24 23:29:05] KyllingLolsson : nothing is real
[2017-03-24 23:29:25] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: the difference is physical assets have real value
[2017-03-24 23:29:36] MikeHunt : even paper money does to a degree, as fire wood/toilet roll
[2017-03-24 23:29:45] needmoneyquick : nihilism
[2017-03-24 23:29:49] gustavo7 : lol USD buying
[2017-03-24 23:29:50] KyllingLolsson : nah.. u cant eat gold
[2017-03-24 23:29:59] MikeHunt : KyllingLolsson: u can make things with it though
[2017-03-24 23:30:02] KyllingLolsson : food and p u s s sy is the real value
[2017-03-24 23:30:21] rangle : closed network blockchains are useless, any company trying to implement that is wasting time
[2017-03-24 23:30:23] KyllingLolsson : and fast cars
[2017-03-24 23:30:36] MikeHunt : rangle: whys that?
[2017-03-24 23:30:52] KyllingLolsson : they're fun
[2017-03-24 23:30:54] rangle : it would be no different than current middle man like visa
[2017-03-24 23:31:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 2400 @ 6342.9
[2017-03-24 23:31:02] REKT : Have a bowl of chop-chop suey!
[2017-03-24 23:31:02] MikeHunt : rangle: visa is useful to some
[2017-03-24 23:31:24] rangle : sure, i agree, but using a blockchain to do that same thing is pointless
[2017-03-24 23:31:45] MikeHunt : rangle: thats making the assumption we need something different
[2017-03-24 23:31:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHJ17`: buy 50 @ 0.056380
[2017-03-24 23:31:59] MikeHunt : not something similar but faster and more efficient
[2017-03-24 23:32:14] aethlios : bottom is when swap -2.5%
[2017-03-24 23:32:40] KyllingLolsson : omg
[2017-03-24 23:32:41] KyllingLolsson : eth
[2017-03-24 23:32:44] KyllingLolsson : LONG
[2017-03-24 23:32:59] KyllingLolsson : smash
[2017-03-24 23:33:04] ross : Eth new ath
[2017-03-24 23:33:13] KyllingLolsson : woooo
[2017-03-24 23:33:24] smokim87 : etc liquidity here dry as hell
[2017-03-24 23:33:24] KyllingLolsson : FUCK thats a big +
[2017-03-24 23:33:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `DASHJ17`: sell 399 @ 0.102195
[2017-03-24 23:33:49] DoubleU : lol @ ETH here
[2017-03-24 23:33:55] DoubleU : 0.06195
[2017-03-24 23:34:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `DASHJ17`: sell 1 @ 0.101983
[2017-03-24 23:34:02] KyllingLolsson : Love it
[2017-03-24 23:34:11] KyllingLolsson : just watch it grow
[2017-03-24 23:34:13] rangle : the books on the new monthly contracts are still thin
[2017-03-24 23:34:13] MikeHunt : there may be no hard fork in btc thou
[2017-03-24 23:34:17] DoubleU : .06199
[2017-03-24 23:34:33] MikeHunt : HF is like WW3, no one wants it, everyone fears it
[2017-03-24 23:34:52] smokim87 : rangle: real thin..
[2017-03-24 23:35:33] DoubleU : someone short ETH is fucked
[2017-03-24 23:35:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5001 @ 928.42
[2017-03-24 23:35:43] DoubleU : where is ETH MM
[2017-03-24 23:36:14] Dynamix : wtf ETH lol
[2017-03-24 23:36:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 960 @ 926.49
[2017-03-24 23:36:47] startChat : MikeHunt: and it never happens
[2017-03-24 23:37:40] Gr33d : esh
[2017-03-24 23:37:51] Gr33d : When you put an extra zero on your order :o
[2017-03-24 23:37:54] Gr33d : WHoops
[2017-03-24 23:38:10] Alignment : dont go long here guys
[2017-03-24 23:38:12] l3f : ETH mm's going to get rekt soon
[2017-03-24 23:38:16] MikeHunt : startChat: if btc and btu come to agreement, this thing will take off and all shorts will get evaporated, even more so than etf pass imo
[2017-03-24 23:38:25] Ahhere : Gr33d: lol been there
[2017-03-24 23:38:46] Alignment : MikeHunt: no agreement until smart money can rebuy what they sold during etf bullrun
[2017-03-24 23:39:57] KyllingLolsson : Alignment: daym, u know this
[2017-03-24 23:40:53] KingTuna : Ah slapped a short on Eth at 0.06 and a long on BTC boom
[2017-03-24 23:41:55] MikeHunt : Alignment: next meeting is May iirc
[2017-03-24 23:42:05] MikeHunt : lots of dump until then
[2017-03-24 23:42:27] DoubleU : lol @ people fomo eth above 0.06 on bitmex
[2017-03-24 23:42:47] KingTuna : Only managed to short 1000 Eth at 0.06 oh well
[2017-03-24 23:43:09] KingTuna : BTC longed 926
[2017-03-24 23:43:11] KyllingLolsson : KingTuna: +1
[2017-03-24 23:43:18] DoubleU : most eth were bought at 0.06199
[2017-03-24 23:43:53] KingTuna : im 1.18 and 2.17 x leverage on Eth and BTC and I'm full colours for ADL.. wtf?!??
[2017-03-24 23:46:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRP7D`: buy 50 @ 0.00001200
[2017-03-24 23:46:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XRP7D`: buy 150000 @ 0.00001204
[2017-03-24 23:46:23] DoubleU : btc should finally dump 10%+
[2017-03-24 23:46:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 3495 @ 924.25
[2017-03-24 23:47:19] MikeHunt : DoubleU: after 880
[2017-03-24 23:47:25] MikeHunt : lot of resistance up to there
[2017-03-24 23:47:41] DoubleU : bitfinex needs to stop slowing this dump down
[2017-03-24 23:48:03] MikeHunt : DoubleU: would you prefer a gox style dump?
[2017-03-24 23:48:08] Aegis : whats up with XMR market maker?
[2017-03-24 23:48:14] aethlios : bitfinex ethbtc spiked to 0.12 (110 usd)
[2017-03-24 23:48:14] Aegis : no orderbook lol
[2017-03-24 23:48:27] Alignment : aethlios: really?
[2017-03-24 23:48:48] aethlios : Alignment: chech cryptowat if don't have finex account.
[2017-03-24 23:50:28] Alignment : i checked finex there is the spike i dont see it on cryptowatch
[2017-03-24 23:50:44] Alignment : https://cryptowat.ch/bitfinex/ethbtc
[2017-03-24 23:50:46] Alignment : no spike
[2017-03-24 23:51:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHJ17`: sell 200 @ 0.057340
[2017-03-24 23:51:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHJ17`: sell 30 @ 0.056800
[2017-03-24 23:51:41] l3f : Ah here comes the death liquidations
[2017-03-24 23:53:16] gustavo7 : okcoin is pushing
[2017-03-24 23:55:44] Gekko : Bottom is in
[2017-03-24 23:56:21] Alignment : go buy it
[2017-03-24 23:56:30] Alignment : i sure wont
[2017-03-24 23:58:18] halpmeh : Someone explain how to set a stop?
[2017-03-24 23:59:34] halpmeh : I'm going out and I would like to set a stop loss but the interface is pre confusing
[2017-03-25 00:00:20] ETFdeniedbot : halpmeh: click the arrow on the right side of the limit/market order buttons and select stop market
[2017-03-25 00:00:36] halpmeh : Done that
[2017-03-25 00:00:43] ETFdeniedbot : halpmeh: then put in ur price and amount and make sure the close on trigger is checked
[2017-03-25 00:00:59] halpmeh : The price I want it to close at?
[2017-03-25 00:01:15] ETFdeniedbot : halpmeh: yeah if the market reaches that price itll market buy/sell instantly
[2017-03-25 00:01:39] halpmeh : It says set buy stop, shouldn't it be a sell stop?
[2017-03-25 00:01:48] halpmeh : Because I need to seel the contracts I've bought?
[2017-03-25 00:01:48] ETFdeniedbot : halpmeh:depends on the price
[2017-03-25 00:01:59] ETFdeniedbot : halpmeh: uh yes i think so
[2017-03-25 00:02:04] halpmeh : Ohhhhhhhhhhh
[2017-03-25 00:02:06] halpmeh : I get it
[2017-03-25 00:02:07] halpmeh : ty ty
[2017-03-25 00:02:09] halpmeh : HAHAHAH
[2017-03-25 00:02:16] ETFdeniedbot : halpmeh: it buys when u set the price higher than the current price
[2017-03-25 00:02:22] ETFdeniedbot : halpmeh: and sells when its lower
[2017-03-25 00:02:31] halpmeh : What about the trigger?
[2017-03-25 00:02:49] ETFdeniedbot : halpmeh: thats the price index it uses to trigger
[2017-03-25 00:02:55] ETFdeniedbot : halpmeh: last is the latest trade
[2017-03-25 00:02:58] halpmeh : what's best?
[2017-03-25 00:03:08] ETFdeniedbot : halpmeh: i always just used the last one
[2017-03-25 00:03:50] ETFdeniedbot : halpmeh: the mark and index are slower but less cheatable i think
[2017-03-25 00:03:57] halpmeh : Thanks mang!
[2017-03-25 00:04:09] ETFdeniedbot : halpmeh: anytime
[2017-03-25 00:09:26] Rado : No discount on June anymore
[2017-03-25 00:09:29] Rado : uh oh
[2017-03-25 00:09:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 5000 @ 930.76
[2017-03-25 00:09:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHJ17`: sell 4 @ 0.057500
[2017-03-25 00:09:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 7500 @ 930.47
[2017-03-25 00:09:46] GTmann : do the individuals contracts follow Last in First out?
[2017-03-25 00:11:26] gustavo7 : ETHausted
[2017-03-25 00:11:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 25 @ 928.90
[2017-03-25 00:12:35] KingTuna : Wow a quick 4 BTC on the Eth short from 0.06 :)))
[2017-03-25 00:14:13] DorianWhack-A-Moto : KingTuna: you have big balls shorting eth while btc is dying
[2017-03-25 00:14:32] KingTuna : DorianWhack-A-Moto: I see BTC bouncing around here
[2017-03-25 00:14:43] KingTuna : also have a slight long on BTC from
[2017-03-25 00:15:38] KingTuna : 927
[2017-03-25 00:15:56] reyno : poloniex down?
[2017-03-25 00:16:16] Ahhere : reyno: no
[2017-03-25 00:16:47] Ahhere : trollbox says its not working but looks fine to me lol
[2017-03-25 00:17:03] Tetsuo : Hacker ans robbed?
[2017-03-25 00:17:20] Tetsuo : *d
[2017-03-25 00:20:23] maxrdlf95 : /rekt
[2017-03-25 00:20:24] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 34 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XRP7D`: buy 150000 @ 0.00001204 ``` ``` 3 hours, 16 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 400000 @ 955.78 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 5 hours, 7 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 109466 @ 956.38 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ```
[2017-03-25 00:21:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 250 @ 933.74
[2017-03-25 00:21:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 10 @ 933.31
[2017-03-25 00:24:01] Ahhere : what even is a green candle anyway?
[2017-03-25 00:24:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHJ17`: buy 5 @ 0.056980
[2017-03-25 00:28:45] rapidtrades : srsly f*ck this dip-buying jew
[2017-03-25 00:29:13] Alignment : let it fall
[2017-03-25 00:29:15] KingTuna : Quick 4btc . Shorter Eth 0.06, close Door 0.055.. easy to predict FOMO these days lol
[2017-03-25 00:29:29] KingTuna : still in BTC long
[2017-03-25 00:29:31] KingTuna : 927
[2017-03-25 00:30:05] Rado : rapidtrades: dip buying doesn't do much though
[2017-03-25 00:30:19] Rado : bounce to 960 max and the resume
[2017-03-25 00:30:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHJ17`: sell 50 @ 0.053800
[2017-03-25 00:30:58] Rado : KingTuna: ETH hit 0.06?
[2017-03-25 00:31:35] KingTuna : Rado: yup lol books looked cleared
[2017-03-25 00:31:49] Rado : Nice
[2017-03-25 00:33:52] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2017-03-25 00:33:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 3998 @ 0.002627
[2017-03-25 00:34:04] finnagetdooped : easy btc off eth today
[2017-03-25 00:35:09] KingTuna : BTC long from 920/930s and Eth short from high easy coin
[2017-03-25 00:35:23] rapidtrades : <<LET IT FALL>>><
[2017-03-25 00:35:25] bingbongfly : fuck im godlike,
[2017-03-25 00:35:47] rapidtrades : give it up u goddamn autist!
[2017-03-25 00:36:08] aethlios : rapidtrades: btd sentiment still alive
[2017-03-25 00:40:34] needmoneyquick : really shorting eth?
[2017-03-25 00:44:43] emcor : guy
[2017-03-25 00:44:47] emcor : its time to buy
[2017-03-25 00:44:48] emcor : BIG
[2017-03-25 00:45:03] etoque : lol no
[2017-03-25 00:45:08] etoque : it going 800 for sure
[2017-03-25 00:45:22] etoque : if not below
[2017-03-25 00:47:30] Rado : etoque: if it's for sure then it will probably not happen
[2017-03-25 00:47:55] etoque : enjoy your future rekt
[2017-03-25 00:48:12] etoque : I'll will print more money by this time
[2017-03-25 00:49:11] etoque : btc may go back 400 in fact
[2017-03-25 00:49:23] etoque : what the case of having a btc at 900$ anyways?
[2017-03-25 00:49:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHJ17`: sell 2 @ 0.054610
[2017-03-25 00:54:01] needmoneyquick : NY buying eth
[2017-03-25 00:54:48] jose : why is it going down like crazy ? what happend yesterday ?
[2017-03-25 00:55:51] Tetsuo : jose: Satoshi came out of the woods and said that he is buyin ETH
[2017-03-25 00:56:48] Rizky : haha
[2017-03-25 00:56:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 10131 @ 936.52
[2017-03-25 00:57:20] etoque : all those noob still believe in btc eh ?
[2017-03-25 00:57:25] etoque : XD
[2017-03-25 00:57:59] etoque : maybe ruined they'll understand altcoin will be mass adopted
[2017-03-25 01:00:27] Rado : etoque: you are very naive
[2017-03-25 01:01:13] Apocalyptic : he's been shilling alts for the past week here
[2017-03-25 01:03:18] needmoneyquick : eth partnered with jp morgan and Microsoft guys haha hes right. South Korea and Japan buying eth like candy
[2017-03-25 01:03:32] etoque : lol you are naive btc trader
[2017-03-25 01:03:49] needmoneyquick : I think so too @etoque
[2017-03-25 01:03:54] needmoneyquick : stuck in 2013
[2017-03-25 01:04:02] etoque : most of alt have fiat access
[2017-03-25 01:04:05] etoque : don't need btc
[2017-03-25 01:04:17] etoque : lol you are stock in 2013 thinking bitcoin is hot :)
[2017-03-25 01:04:23] etoque : no more baby
[2017-03-25 01:04:27] etoque : you'll learn hard
[2017-03-25 01:04:59] needmoneyquick : seems like people are out of touch here with new blockchain tech
[2017-03-25 01:05:45] etoque : how can they call me naive when they just know 2-3 blockchain in their existance ? I've fallow every development possible into crypto existance
[2017-03-25 01:05:57] needmoneyquick : etoque: same
[2017-03-25 01:06:37] etoque : and how can you not found btc extremely shit centralized and worthless after seeing at least 50-100 different project
[2017-03-25 01:06:56] datboiyuan : you guys are joking right
[2017-03-25 01:07:02] etoque : Absolutly not
[2017-03-25 01:07:24] needmoneyquick : 100% not
[2017-03-25 01:07:31] needmoneyquick : eth will be 200 sooner than later
[2017-03-25 01:07:37] etoque : well
[2017-03-25 01:07:39] Rado : datboiyuan: he is clueless that's all
[2017-03-25 01:07:41] etoque : Thats possible
[2017-03-25 01:07:50] etoque : But I'll be butthurt to not have take some lol
[2017-03-25 01:08:19] datboiyuan : every development possible?
[2017-03-25 01:08:30] datboiyuan : impressive
[2017-03-25 01:08:36] etoque : nobody interested into btc,open your eyes,people are only here for fast profit they have heard
[2017-03-25 01:09:07] etoque : and if you're interested into btc,you have absolutly 0 tech knowledge because its probably the shittest coin existing in 2017
[2017-03-25 01:09:18] Rado : China higher than west now
[2017-03-25 01:09:29] etoque : even the shittest scam coin can transfer your money faster and are scalable lol
[2017-03-25 01:09:47] needmoneyquick : I think people here are just gamblers
[2017-03-25 01:10:12] etoque : they do lol
[2017-03-25 01:10:16] etoque : they don't know anything
[2017-03-25 01:10:28] needmoneyquick : lol funny
[2017-03-25 01:10:37] etoque : thinking they know thing because they may have cash or done nice move,but thing are irrevelent inside tech view
[2017-03-25 01:10:40] needmoneyquick : maybe they're chinese and havent been following
[2017-03-25 01:11:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 10002 @ 928.81
[2017-03-25 01:11:34] zanza : etoque: name a single useful ETH "app"
[2017-03-25 01:11:38] etoque : BTC won't die also,it'll just be a kind of store of value like btc with long term movement,but forget world adoption LOL
[2017-03-25 01:11:45] etoque : I dont care of ETH
[2017-03-25 01:11:46] emcor : am i here just to make some quick cash, and give a shit about bitcoin?
[2017-03-25 01:11:50] emcor : yes
[2017-03-25 01:11:58] emcor : anything wrong with that?
[2017-03-25 01:11:59] emcor : no
[2017-03-25 01:12:01] etoque : Im not into etc,I have my own pick up project killing it !
[2017-03-25 01:12:06] etoque : eth sorry
[2017-03-25 01:12:19] etoque : emcor: :D
[2017-03-25 01:12:23] etoque : hehe
[2017-03-25 01:12:49] etoque : world change,crypto change
[2017-03-25 01:12:55] etoque : no more there will be 'one coin'
[2017-03-25 01:13:36] etoque : there's so many different project with extremely talented people and awsome ideas and tech actually working for bigger mass adoption than bitcoin,ur fool if you think future is btc
[2017-03-25 01:13:42] needmoneyquick : its all about taking control away from greed and whats plagued our society
[2017-03-25 01:13:46] needmoneyquick : etoque: Darcrus!
[2017-03-25 01:14:20] etoque : hehe exact :)
[2017-03-25 01:14:32] etoque : Also I have to say bad people have integrate BTC since satoshi give up
[2017-03-25 01:14:57] etoque : long altcoin and life will smile you
[2017-03-25 01:15:14] needmoneyquick : vitalik buterin is satoshi
[2017-03-25 01:15:18] etoque : ahah
[2017-03-25 01:15:25] etoque : I still prefer etc
[2017-03-25 01:15:40] etoque : ETH = btc,centralized,with one man on top
[2017-03-25 01:15:54] etoque : no immutable
[2017-03-25 01:16:08] etoque : its a business coin at this point
[2017-03-25 01:16:19] etoque : big corpo integrate this and pump with news
[2017-03-25 01:16:25] etoque : ez
[2017-03-25 01:16:48] etoque : but I have little doubt about eth real future,might goes bigger but at the end... maybe its not etc,maybe another,maybe all of them
[2017-03-25 01:17:51] Tetsuo : ETH and BTC are totally different
[2017-03-25 01:18:35] etoque : no way ?
[2017-03-25 01:18:52] etoque : stupidity at his maximum,SURE,but they can have same uses
[2017-03-25 01:19:03] etoque : its a coin god damnit
[2017-03-25 01:19:45] etoque : ur fool thinking BTC is unique
[2017-03-25 01:19:55] etoque : we're not in 2013 nor 2010
[2017-03-25 01:23:54] laisee : /fork
[2017-03-25 01:23:58] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 745.00 (6.58%) Bitfinex BCU : 211.65 (-22.34%) SLQ : 5 hours, 58 mins```
[2017-03-25 01:24:05] emcor : it doesnt matter whether bitcoin unique or all that shit
[2017-03-25 01:24:14] emcor : if bitcoin is going down im going short
[2017-03-25 01:24:36] laisee : BTC at 500?
[2017-03-25 01:30:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHJ17`: sell 15 @ 0.053360
[2017-03-25 01:31:22] zanza : Core wants to kill Bitcoin!
[2017-03-25 01:31:47] laisee : zanza: how so?
[2017-03-25 01:32:08] zanza : POW change, settlement layer, etc
[2017-03-25 01:32:57] Dynamix : Up we goo boyz back to 1k
[2017-03-25 01:34:22] Shaman : /sentiment
[2017-03-25 01:34:25] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 59.77 / 40.24 Daily : 55.23 / 44.77 Weekly : 52.73 / 47.27 Monthly : 52.64 / 47.36```
[2017-03-25 01:37:41] Apocalyptic : zanza: not sure how any of these words is an indication of that
[2017-03-25 01:38:12] zanza : if you change POW, you have 0 hash rate for security
[2017-03-25 01:38:22] zanza : basically a new altcoin
[2017-03-25 01:38:32] Apocalyptic : zanza: Bitcoin is meant to be a settlement layer, by design and costs associated with such construct
[2017-03-25 01:38:46] Apocalyptic : zanza: ok, that I agree with
[2017-03-25 01:39:37] zanza : Apocalyptic: so blocks just be full
[2017-03-25 01:40:40] zanza : blocks are meant to be full
[2017-03-25 01:41:00] Apocalyptic : why so ?
[2017-03-25 01:41:28] KingTuna : going long to 960
[2017-03-25 01:41:39] KingTuna : from 927
[2017-03-25 01:43:20] Dynamix : 30M looks bouncy
[2017-03-25 01:44:54] Shaman : /fork
[2017-03-25 01:44:55] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 745.00 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 199.22 (-5.87%) SLQ : 20 mins```
[2017-03-25 01:44:57] Apocalyptic : KingTuna: good luck
[2017-03-25 01:45:12] Rado : KingTuna: swap or June?
[2017-03-25 01:45:32] KingTuna : XBT
[2017-03-25 01:45:51] Rado : Spot?
[2017-03-25 01:45:58] Rado : which exchange?
[2017-03-25 01:46:01] KingTuna : Given I just shorted ETH and closed 0.055 .. thought its worth the risk :)
[2017-03-25 01:46:15] KingTuna : Here
[2017-03-25 01:46:39] micmix : Apocalyptic: bitcoin was designed as an immutable public ledger in trustless environment, everything else is coincidental. it could be anything with little tweaks, settlement layer, electronic cash, or birthday record database for that matter
[2017-03-25 01:47:11] zanza : Satoshi wanted electronic cash, did he say it ?
[2017-03-25 01:47:28] Apocalyptic : micmix: it could be anything that doesn't scale much given the inherent properties of the blockchain structure
[2017-03-25 01:47:43] Rado : It's way more than electronic cash
[2017-03-25 01:47:48] Apocalyptic : so yes a birthday record database fits
[2017-03-25 01:48:08] Rado : Apocalyptic: in a few years the scaling will not be an issue
[2017-03-25 01:48:09] Apocalyptic : an electronic cash used to buy coffee by 1 billion people everyday, not so much
[2017-03-25 01:48:54] micmix : yeah, electronic cash was in the paper's title but it's wan't really suitable for that, velocity too low
[2017-03-25 01:49:03] micmix : * it wasn't
[2017-03-25 01:49:15] startChat : SPV was in the whitepaper and that still is not built
[2017-03-25 01:49:17] startChat : need segwit
[2017-03-25 01:49:43] Apocalyptic : that's why LN and off-chain scaling is such a great idea
[2017-03-25 01:50:22] micmix : doesn't matter, simple fact that block data has to be transferred to all participants limits velocity. need 2nd layer for cash
[2017-03-25 01:50:38] Apocalyptic : ^ exactly
[2017-03-25 01:51:06] aethlios : place some bids march june 810-785 and sell the rally to 950.
[2017-03-25 01:51:44] zanza : BU people want second layer also
[2017-03-25 01:51:52] zanza : no one is trying to limit that
[2017-03-25 01:51:56] startChat : and they want >21 million
[2017-03-25 01:52:05] startChat : BU are trolls
[2017-03-25 01:52:15] zanza : link to source @startChat ?
[2017-03-25 01:52:22] Apocalyptic : zanza: other things are wrong with BU
[2017-03-25 01:52:56] Apocalyptic : I guess at this point it doesn't even matter
[2017-03-25 01:53:11] Apocalyptic : they have proved their tech team is utterly incompetent
[2017-03-25 01:53:33] startChat : What is important is the miners not looking long term
[2017-03-25 01:53:35] REKT : Choppy waters make solid seamen!
[2017-03-25 01:53:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 25000 @ 914.53
[2017-03-25 01:53:35] startChat : want high fees now
[2017-03-25 01:54:02] cg : @startChat you are the troll for spreading the 21m lie
[2017-03-25 01:56:16] cg : so some people that are associated with BU correctly analyze that the 21m limit, as any other limit, is only enforced by the community and could be changed if everybody agreed. Core trolls twist this into "BU trolls want to increase 21m limit"
[2017-03-25 01:56:32] zanza : Apocalyptic: core never had bugs?
[2017-03-25 01:56:40] cg : all of this is so childish, its laughable
[2017-03-25 01:57:17] Apocalyptic : zanza: I remember some, although most of them were due to legacy code left was satoshi
[2017-03-25 01:57:41] Apocalyptic : but you can't compare the level Core team has with BU's today
[2017-03-25 01:59:08] zanza : Core sees miners as the nemy
[2017-03-25 01:59:15] zanza : enemy
[2017-03-25 01:59:29] micmix : in any case the market will decide. enjoy the volatility and alts run
[2017-03-25 02:00:03] Apocalyptic : micmix: you're doing alts now ? :)
[2017-03-25 02:00:06] cg : all of this can be blamed on Core. If they would have listened to the actual community (that includes miners), they would have done SegWit with a 2MB hardfork and we would be fine right now
[2017-03-25 02:00:45] micmix : Apocalyptic: I do very little with alts
[2017-03-25 02:01:12] zanza : its stupid that both sides seem to be willing to not compromise
[2017-03-25 02:01:14] zanza : and everyone loses
[2017-03-25 02:01:27] cg : agreed
[2017-03-25 02:01:28] micmix : cg: agree, small blocksize increase plus segwit. segwit would be better as hard fork anyway.
[2017-03-25 02:01:37] zanza : cut off the nose to spite the face
[2017-03-25 02:01:39] startChat : cg: they did even better up 4Mb hard fork in segwit
[2017-03-25 02:02:01] Apocalyptic : zanza: I don't know about that, but it seems the miners see the bitcoin network as a endless cash cow they can milk, and when some change threatens a bit their bottom line they're willing to destroy it
[2017-03-25 02:02:18] zanza : what?
[2017-03-25 02:02:27] zanza : Miners voting for BU will lower fees
[2017-03-25 02:02:46] cg : why would a miner want to detroy their investment? that does not make any sense whatsoever
[2017-03-25 02:02:49] zanza : bigger block = lower fee
[2017-03-25 02:03:07] Apocalyptic : zanza: per tx perhaps, think about global fee per block
[2017-03-25 02:03:14] Apocalyptic : fee per tx is meaningless to miners
[2017-03-25 02:03:24] zanza : the mining subsidy?
[2017-03-25 02:03:30] Apocalyptic : no
[2017-03-25 02:04:07] Apocalyptic : if they thought bigger blocks would lower the overall fee income they wouldn't be so eager to vote for it
[2017-03-25 02:04:29] zanza : what?
[2017-03-25 02:04:41] Apocalyptic : seems we have a communication problem
[2017-03-25 02:04:55] zanza : if you have been in Bitcoin a bit, you would remember fee was never a problem, until the block is full
[2017-03-25 02:05:00] cg : bigger blocks will increase fee income
[2017-03-25 02:05:05] zanza : fee is just used to prioritize the limited space
[2017-03-25 02:05:15] Apocalyptic : cg: you get it
[2017-03-25 02:05:34] cg : as you can see right now, there is not unbound-fee demand for block space as users go to altcoins
[2017-03-25 02:05:36] zanza : Apocalyptic: how new are you to bitcoin ?
[2017-03-25 02:05:45] Apocalyptic : zanza: lol
[2017-03-25 02:05:54] zanza : what was the fee 2 years ago
[2017-03-25 02:05:57] zanza : before full block
[2017-03-25 02:05:59] Apocalyptic : I'm in since mid-late 2013
[2017-03-25 02:06:01] startChat : https://blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees-usd
[2017-03-25 02:06:14] cg : so a low blocksize limit will not cause the fees to go to astronomical highs, rather users will abandon the coin
[2017-03-25 02:06:21] zanza : startChat: thank you
[2017-03-25 02:06:29] cg : aka bitcoin becomes the myspace of crypto
[2017-03-25 02:06:35] micmix : actually any solution that increases number of transactions will increase total fees per block that miners collect. not right away though
[2017-03-25 02:06:36] startChat : doge is facebook
[2017-03-25 02:06:38] startChat : but now
[2017-03-25 02:06:43] zanza : which is why Bitcoin is sub 70% market cap now
[2017-03-25 02:06:55] zanza : its like a bus saying "sorry, all full"
[2017-03-25 02:07:02] zanza : then someone calls an Uber
[2017-03-25 02:07:38] laisee : bitcoin is being facebooked now. moving to BU will slow that down a little.
[2017-03-25 02:07:46] cg : second layer solutions are important and needed, but there is absolutely no reason for the 1mb limit as technology and software improves
[2017-03-25 02:07:57] startChat : cg: do you run a full node?
[2017-03-25 02:08:05] cg : yes
[2017-03-25 02:08:17] Apocalyptic : cg: it's an incentive to have more people run full nodes
[2017-03-25 02:08:19] startChat : how many MB are u good with?
[2017-03-25 02:08:41] zanza : cg: 2nd layer is good, everyone wants it. @startChat Bitcoin is growing
[2017-03-25 02:08:45] micmix : I'm afraid bitcoin will be stuck with current consensus rules. segwit and bigger blocks will not happen
[2017-03-25 02:08:52] cg : I have a little dedicated server so I'd be good with 20mb+
[2017-03-25 02:08:54] Apocalyptic : and be able to bootstrap and sync one from scratch in a reasonable timeframe
[2017-03-25 02:08:59] zanza : i dont think its a good approach to just say "ok 2MB block size"
[2017-03-25 02:09:08] zanza : since then we have the same problem next year
[2017-03-25 02:09:09] llugo : /fork
[2017-03-25 02:09:10] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 745.00 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 199.22 (0.00%) SLQ : 24 mins```
[2017-03-25 02:09:20] micmix : like older internet protocols are stuck with legacy crud
[2017-03-25 02:09:20] laisee : hmmm. do ppl realize that Segwit activating will fork older clients from network.
[2017-03-25 02:09:22] Apocalyptic : micmix: that's a better outcome than going BU
[2017-03-25 02:09:33] startChat : laisee: false
[2017-03-25 02:09:39] laisee : true.
[2017-03-25 02:09:48] startChat : false
[2017-03-25 02:09:53] zanza : laisee: yeah so much for "soft fork"
[2017-03-25 02:10:01] micmix : segwit is a forced update, would be better as hard fork
[2017-03-25 02:10:06] startChat : lol
[2017-03-25 02:10:07] javierstone : @bitmex_sam
[2017-03-25 02:10:10] startChat : forced for who?
[2017-03-25 02:10:19] laisee : older clients cannot relay blocks and miners will see their blocks orphaned
[2017-03-25 02:10:21] cg : @zanza disagree, 2MB hardfork would have shown that hard forks are ok to do and also that modest blocksize increases are not as dramatic as Core makes them out to be
[2017-03-25 02:10:28] zanza : i think SegWit + Big block is good option both sides should compromise on that. Keep Core dev team
[2017-03-25 02:10:33] startChat : cg: hard fork are not ok.
[2017-03-25 02:10:38] javierstone : why did my ripple contracts close
[2017-03-25 02:10:40] startChat : we are all adversaries
[2017-03-25 02:10:41] laisee : @micmix: I agree, more honest to do SW as hard fork
[2017-03-25 02:10:45] javierstone : they aren't listed in my fills section
[2017-03-25 02:10:53] Apocalyptic : laisee: why would a soft fork fork older clients ?
[2017-03-25 02:10:58] MikeHunt : javierstone: rekt?
[2017-03-25 02:11:00] cg : @startChat well, we agree to disagree then.
[2017-03-25 02:11:07] javierstone : nope
[2017-03-25 02:11:11] Tetsuo : javierstone: XRp futures get closed on friday
[2017-03-25 02:11:13] javierstone : no liquidation
[2017-03-25 02:11:20] javierstone : oh duh
[2017-03-25 02:11:20] javierstone : ya
[2017-03-25 02:11:24] laisee : Apocalyptic: they will be isolated in a separate network partition. i.e. effective fork
[2017-03-25 02:11:40] zanza : Nullc actually added code to that that
[2017-03-25 02:11:46] Apocalyptic : afaik older clients will relay blocks just fine
[2017-03-25 02:11:54] Apocalyptic : they just won't relay the witness data
[2017-03-25 02:11:59] laisee : not true @Apocalyptic.
[2017-03-25 02:12:03] Apocalyptic : and they can't fully validate witness tys
[2017-03-25 02:12:06] Apocalyptic : *txs
[2017-03-25 02:12:09] startChat : laisee: read beyond headlines
[2017-03-25 02:12:16] laisee : not relaying witness data means their blocks are ignored
[2017-03-25 02:12:33] laisee : leading to an effective partition of network.
[2017-03-25 02:12:37] Apocalyptic : because it would look like ANYONE_CAN_SPEND outputs to then
[2017-03-25 02:12:46] laisee : yes, that too
[2017-03-25 02:12:51] Apocalyptic : if you're familiar with btc scripting
[2017-03-25 02:12:55] micmix : Apocalyptic: older clients see segwit transactions as "anyone can spend". no way to validate properly, so all businesses _have_ to be ready on day one
[2017-03-25 02:12:55] zanza : https://twitter.com/digitsu/status/845119600907866113
[2017-03-25 02:12:56] laisee : yes
[2017-03-25 02:13:11] Apocalyptic : micmix: yes indeed
[2017-03-25 02:13:26] cg : old nodes after SW has activated are no longer fully validating, so essentially worthless. They will "function" but they will be zombies which is arguably worse than doing a hard fork, because in a hard fork the operators of older nodes actually get painfully aware that the network rules have changed --> more honest update
[2017-03-25 02:13:27] Apocalyptic : they would have to rely on being served the correct chain
[2017-03-25 02:13:36] Apocalyptic : but they CAN relay it
[2017-03-25 02:13:40] Apocalyptic : that was my point
[2017-03-25 02:14:01] laisee : sorry if this is subjective view, but coding Segwit that way is anti-bitcoin and evil.
[2017-03-25 02:14:16] zanza : https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/61co02/bitfury_just_mined_a_block_with_a_bip_148/
[2017-03-25 02:14:22] laisee : Apocalyptic: yes, technically u r right
[2017-03-25 02:14:38] Apocalyptic : laisee: at least I see you're not a mindless BU fan, appreciate constructive discussion
[2017-03-25 02:15:01] Rado : Longs not even getting paid enough on swap
[2017-03-25 02:15:09] Rado : what a shit show
[2017-03-25 02:15:24] laisee : Apocalyptic: +1
[2017-03-25 02:15:42] cg : I think SegWit as a hardfork and it not being sold as a scaling solution would have been activated today.
[2017-03-25 02:16:07] cg : @Rado what do you mean?
[2017-03-25 02:16:16] laisee : yes, what cg said. a little more honesty and a hard fork would have it activated nw
[2017-03-25 02:16:30] Rado : Funding fee should be 0.375%
[2017-03-25 02:16:39] cg : why?
[2017-03-25 02:16:48] Rado : I mean -.375
[2017-03-25 02:17:02] Rado : To encourage longs
[2017-03-25 02:17:14] Rado : otherwise swap is under spot price
[2017-03-25 02:17:57] cg : uh isnt this market driven?
[2017-03-25 02:18:17] Rado : It is
[2017-03-25 02:18:24] zanza : malleabilty fix isn't a huge problem now, main problem is full blocks.
[2017-03-25 02:18:31] Rado : read about it in the help section
[2017-03-25 02:19:18] Rado : zanza: core should do a hard fork to increase to 2 MB so they have more time for the other solutions