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[2015-11-22 12:09:53] BitMEX_Arthur : I don't have a feeling one way or the other
[2015-11-22 12:09:56] floopfloop : was trading when I was tired
[2015-11-22 12:10:02] floopfloop : BitMEX_Arthur: :(
[2015-11-22 12:10:37] BitMEX_Arthur : I like to trade interest rates and basis more than outright direction
[2015-11-22 12:10:50] floopfloop : explain? @BitMEX_Arthur
[2015-11-22 12:10:59] floopfloop : BitMEX_Arthur: I'm a financial noob, especially compared to you
[2015-11-22 12:11:04] BitMEX_Arthur : I trade the differential between futures and spot and or futures and futures
[2015-11-22 12:11:19] floopfloop : oh nice. mind if I ask where?
[2015-11-22 12:11:53] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Wally: Can't duplicate the error right now then... but basically: I was trying to add some margin to an isolated position and I was getting an error that looked something like this:", amount is a required arg"
[2015-11-22 12:12:15] BitMEX_Wally : AudibleScience: Ok I'll look into it
[2015-11-22 12:12:22] floopfloop : AudibleScience: gotta stop trading on a Mac
[2015-11-22 12:12:29] BitMEX_Arthur : floopfloop: This is what I did back in 2013 when I first got into Bitcoin. Now I just point out trades on BitMEX I think will make money, but I don't trade
[2015-11-22 12:12:44] BitMEX_Arthur : Armchair quaterback
[2015-11-22 12:13:07] BitMEX_Arthur : the long H16 trade was a good call, if anyone followed that you would have made a lot of money
[2015-11-22 12:13:21] floopfloop : BitMEX_Arthur: when?
[2015-11-22 12:13:35] BitMEX_Arthur : I was pushing that trade Late Sept to Early Oct
[2015-11-22 12:13:37] floopfloop : I remembered you calling that out a while ago, but I didnt have funds :( I want to though
[2015-11-22 12:13:39] floopfloop : yeah
[2015-11-22 12:13:42] AudibleScience : floopfloop: lol I'm not on a mac man c'mon
[2015-11-22 12:13:48] floopfloop : I was totally thinking that was the low as well
[2015-11-22 12:14:11] floopfloop : I may not know finance as well, but I def know Bitcoin. There is a certain tipping point on both sides of the price
[2015-11-22 12:14:25] floopfloop : the day to day trading is a bit tougher, but I think I am learning
[2015-11-22 12:14:37] floopfloop : I just need to stop trading when I am so tired. Dont make good decisions
[2015-11-22 12:14:43] floopfloop : AudibleScience: lies
[2015-11-22 12:15:00] AudibleScience : floopfloop: rofl
[2015-11-22 12:15:17] floopfloop : hmm
[2015-11-22 12:15:20] floopfloop : i got in on the market
[2015-11-22 12:15:28] floopfloop : not sure if that will be a good idea or not
[2015-11-22 12:15:46] floopfloop : recovering slower than expected :s
[2015-11-22 14:22:47] BitMEX_Sam : We're back up - thanks for your patience everyone.
[2015-11-22 14:23:05] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: u should have clean orderbook for people imo, i am not affected buty some people are
[2015-11-22 14:23:58] ayy lmao : the price didnt move
[2015-11-22 14:24:01] ayy lmao : lol wut
[2015-11-22 14:24:08] BitMEX_Sam : Was a good time for maintenance.
[2015-11-22 14:24:15] BitMEX_Sam : Market's sideways as usual
[2015-11-22 14:24:19] ayy lmao : unless you are on 100x, i cant see nayone being affexted
[2015-11-22 14:24:25] ayy lmao : anyone*
[2015-11-22 14:24:35] BitMEX_Wally : There have been no liquidations
[2015-11-22 14:31:10] floopfloop : habibi: thats what I was thinking, at least for the 24h
[2015-11-22 14:31:38] j8 : why no announcement except on twitter? wasn't looking there
[2015-11-22 14:31:51] BitMEX_Wally : We announced it here
[2015-11-22 14:31:59] BitMEX_Wally : And by email
[2015-11-22 14:32:12] abeaulne : got no email
[2015-11-22 14:32:22] abeaulne : needs a bit more headups
[2015-11-22 14:32:27] j8 : really? i was online and had no idea
[2015-11-22 14:32:38] j8 : was building positions as it happened
[2015-11-22 14:33:24] j8 : ah i see it was in the mailing list a week ago.. guess i spaced
[2015-11-22 14:34:05] wurstgelee : i cant find any email which announced it either
[2015-11-22 14:34:13] BitMEX_Wally : abeaulne: 'Crypto Trader Digest' email on 17 November
[2015-11-22 14:34:33] BitMEX_Wally : https://blog.bitmex.com/crypto-trader-digest-17-nov/
[2015-11-22 14:34:41] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Wally: maybe send an email with a subject saying "scheduled maintenance" next time? ;)
[2015-11-22 14:34:48] BitMEX_Wally : wurstgelee: Good idea
[2015-11-22 14:34:55] BitMEX_Wally : Sorry if you guys were worried
[2015-11-22 14:35:09] j8 : isn't there an attention grabbing announcement banner too?>
[2015-11-22 14:35:27] wurstgelee : yes, announcement banner on site would be a good idea :D
[2015-11-22 14:37:05] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry about that guys, we'll make sure to blast it out via more mediums. This is the only time we've ever taken the trading engine down since we started trading in November 2014
[2015-11-22 14:38:04] floopfloop : anyone know why the price dropped suddenly?
[2015-11-22 14:38:20] habibi : someone sold... :p
[2015-11-22 14:39:36] donkey : did they really just say "good time for maintenance, price didnt move"?
[2015-11-22 14:40:08] j8 : 3 dollars only, could have been a lot worse
[2015-11-22 14:40:24] floopfloop : I think it still should have been reset
[2015-11-22 14:40:40] BitMEX_Sam : donkey: No, we announced this over a week ago
[2015-11-22 14:41:04] BitMEX_Sam : What I meant was, the market was sideways, so it was a very fortunate time to do it
[2015-11-22 14:41:27] j8 : well, the daily should not have opened for 4 minutes, thats for sure
[2015-11-22 14:41:31] donkey : i understand but you just said it was a good time the price didnt move
[2015-11-22 14:41:39] floopfloop : j8: yeee
[2015-11-22 14:42:23] donkey : but with 100x a $3 move can be significant
[2015-11-22 14:42:59] donkey : i think the announcement should have been allot better and trading should have been sus;ended aftersettlement
[2015-11-22 14:43:33] BitMEX_Wally : Just to confirm, if the market was not quiet then we would have postponed the maintenance
[2015-11-22 14:44:08] floopfloop : BitMEX_Wally: I think you are missing the point of what they are saying
[2015-11-22 14:44:54] floopfloop : No one cares that it was shutdown, especially the longer position
[2015-11-22 14:45:13] floopfloop : but the 24h shouldnt have been open at all
[2015-11-22 14:45:32] BitMEX_Wally : Agreed, we should have halted trading sooner
[2015-11-22 14:45:57] BitMEX_Wally : I had to do some risk checks before giving the go ahead
[2015-11-22 14:46:43] floopfloop : I logged into to my account .10 btc down than when I was logged in :(
[2015-11-22 14:46:44] BitMEX_Wally : Next time we will put a big flashing banner up on the site so you can't miss it
[2015-11-22 14:46:53] floopfloop : bahahaha, make it rediculous
[2015-11-22 14:46:54] donkey : and it should have been announced better, i dont read all the "spam" i get from exchanges so just announcing it in a normal email is far from sufficient..
[2015-11-22 14:47:02] donkey : that would be great wally!
[2015-11-22 14:47:16] floopfloop : honestly though, the announcement part is more our fault
[2015-11-22 14:47:39] floopfloop : but I think keep the trading platform (obv only ont he 24h) should not be done in the furture
[2015-11-22 14:48:07] floopfloop : they sent the email, we should have read it.
[2015-11-22 14:49:00] j8 : i remember reading it, somehow i thought the maintenance happened last weekend though. something visible on the site the day before would be nice
[2015-11-22 14:49:39] floopfloop : ^ true., My point is that even if we read it, we may have not been aware we wouldnt have access to the trades we made before the shutdown
[2015-11-22 14:50:18] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks for the feedback guys, we'll definitely make it more obvious next time around.
[2015-11-22 14:50:34] floopfloop : :)
[2015-11-22 14:51:31] donkey : i actually got lucky got a short at 325 right before it went down, there are some improvements to be made for next maintenance but i think you get it
[2015-11-22 14:51:33] thehawthorne : It was also announced via Trollbox
[2015-11-22 14:51:45] thehawthorne : i asked when maintenance will take place
[2015-11-22 14:52:27] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: if i can advice anything, would be great if 24h would be just haltef after settlement, then twitter annoucment -> site back few minutes before 14.30 utc and 14.30 trading engine start
[2015-11-22 14:52:38] habibi : but still not bad, gj with all the stuff u making here for all
[2015-11-22 14:53:39] floopfloop : habibi: I agree. The only thing in questions is the 24h
[2015-11-22 14:53:56] floopfloop : as well as the announcements. We should have 1990s gif images rofl
[2015-11-22 14:54:23] donkey : 24h, and the fact it took a hour longer than planned is not good ofcourse
[2015-11-22 14:55:12] floopfloop : donkey: yeah, but id rather have an extra hour of downtime and ensure my funds are being held in a secure manner
[2015-11-22 14:55:24] donkey : its better to plan for longer maintenance and be back sooner than the other way around in my oppinion
[2015-11-22 14:55:31] floopfloop : if you are going to have downtime, you should at least do it right and make sure everything is 100%
[2015-11-22 14:55:38] floopfloop : donkey: good point
[2015-11-22 14:56:33] donkey : allthough some would be mad thinking trading is suspended for another hour only to find its allready trading again
[2015-11-22 14:57:12] floopfloop : BitMEX_Sam: Heres some inspiration for the ridiculous alerts lol http://www.buzzfeed.com/adobe/obnoxious-banner-ads-that-everyone-remembers#.rvyb7qRR5X
[2015-11-22 15:00:07] floopfloop : think we will see $330 today?
[2015-11-22 15:04:26] thehawthorne : BitMEX_Sam: Are there any known issues concerning adding more margin to an isolated margin position?
[2015-11-22 15:04:44] BitMEX_Sam : thehawthorne: Yes, I am working on a fix as we speak
[2015-11-22 15:04:57] thehawthorne : Glad to hear that
[2015-11-22 15:04:59] BitMEX_Sam : Should be live in just a few minutes, apologies for the disruption.
[2015-11-22 15:05:01] thehawthorne : thanks
[2015-11-22 15:11:55] BitMEX_Sam : thehawthorne: Please refresh, the issue is fixed
[2015-11-22 15:18:04] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: maintenance directly after 24h settlement next time? ;) minimizes risk at least for 24h
[2015-11-22 15:18:25] wurstgelee : even better friday after settlement - after 7d expiry
[2015-11-22 15:20:20] thehawthorne : BitMEX_Sam: thanks. i appreciate your efforts
[2015-11-22 15:48:12] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: 41 users. Told you to make that black friday discount for contracts
[2015-11-22 15:48:19] jung1 : -20% or something
[2015-11-22 15:50:15] Gunsandsnakes : new to bitmex - this morning my XBT24H closed but under closed positions the entry price and realized PNL are just -.--
[2015-11-22 15:50:44] jung1 : in right upper corner you have expiry time
[2015-11-22 15:51:16] jung1 : on that time all contracts expired end if you not close it by yourself it close automaticly
[2015-11-22 15:51:54] Gunsandsnakes : I see - if it expires and closes itself do you keep the profit or loss?
[2015-11-22 15:52:11] jung1 : depend on the curren price
[2015-11-22 15:53:00] Gunsandsnakes : I shorted last night around 327 and so was up a bit but unable to see where my pnl % is for that closed order
[2015-11-22 15:53:07] j8 : Gunsandsnakes: check Account -> Wallet
[2015-11-22 15:53:20] j8 : there will be a CashSettlement for your pnl
[2015-11-22 15:53:41] Gunsandsnakes : ah okay I see it tere
[2015-11-22 15:53:47] Gunsandsnakes : thanks!
[2015-11-22 15:53:48] j8 : it shows -.-- because that's the next day's contract
[2015-11-22 15:53:49] jung1 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2015-11-22 15:53:55] Gunsandsnakes : ah
[2015-11-22 15:54:05] j8 : also in trade history there is a Settlement entry
[2015-11-22 15:54:07] jung1 : Gunsandsnakes: no probl
[2015-11-22 15:54:11] jung1 : Gunsandsnakes: no problemwe are proffesionals here
[2015-11-22 15:54:25] jung1 : all of us
[2015-11-22 15:54:30] Gunsandsnakes : haha
[2015-11-22 15:54:31] j8 : some of us
[2015-11-22 15:54:32] jung1 : all of us
[2015-11-22 15:55:12] jung1 : a least everyone who nickname start from "j"
[2015-11-22 15:55:19] j8 : here here
[2015-11-22 15:58:56] jung1 : j8: dont be so shy
[2015-11-22 15:59:13] j8 : how so
[2015-11-22 16:18:35] justinlooking : o/
[2015-11-22 16:21:44] floopfloop : hey
[2015-11-22 16:21:47] floopfloop : anyone got the okcoin top10 margin link?
[2015-11-22 16:21:52] floopfloop : im not at home atm
[2015-11-22 16:22:36] j8 : sure one sec
[2015-11-22 16:23:00] floopfloop : j8: ty, tried googling it. couldnt find lol
[2015-11-22 16:23:12] j8 : https://www.okcoin.com/future/futureTop.do
[2015-11-22 16:23:23] j8 : you'll have to fix that link
[2015-11-22 16:23:36] jung1 : o kcoin.com.com/future/futureTop.do
[2015-11-22 16:24:00] floopfloop : no worries. ty
[2015-11-22 16:24:10] justinlooking : <code>okcoin</code>
[2015-11-22 16:25:19] jung1 : floopfloop: @j8 what is that info for?
[2015-11-22 16:25:39] floopfloop : whales
[2015-11-22 16:26:00] jung1 : but you can see volume only
[2015-11-22 16:26:35] j8 : shows % long/short of top holders, and how leveraged they are on average
[2015-11-22 16:27:30] j8 : pretty normal at the moment.
[2015-11-22 16:28:07] j8 : leaning short a bit.
[2015-11-22 16:28:11] floopfloop : there should be a price bump today I would imagine
[2015-11-22 16:28:23] floopfloop : it crashed this morning for no reason
[2015-11-22 16:28:34] floopfloop : helped me make money on a short i was down .5 btc on rofl
[2015-11-22 16:28:36] j8 : does it ever need a reason?
[2015-11-22 16:28:50] floopfloop : yes, this is science bitch
[2015-11-22 16:28:54] jung1 : butterfly effect
[2015-11-22 16:29:09] floopfloop : over 322 yay
[2015-11-22 16:29:23] j8 : it depends what level of explanation you're looking for
[2015-11-22 16:29:29] floopfloop : i took a long too early this morning
[2015-11-22 16:29:43] floopfloop : I need hard facts and provable evidence
[2015-11-22 16:29:49] floopfloop : in other words, Obama did it
[2015-11-22 16:30:15] j8 : a lot of people will say, the price went down because people sold. there's evidence of that
[2015-11-22 16:30:33] floopfloop : j8: Obama did it
[2015-11-22 16:30:36] donkey : no shit sherlock
[2015-11-22 16:30:37] jung1 : I have one plot
[2015-11-22 16:30:48] j8 : it might not sound like a good explanation to you but that's the level of explanation
[2015-11-22 16:30:48] jung1 : yesterday I found this http://i.imgur.com/xewKtB4.jpg _bear market is comming
[2015-11-22 16:31:20] floopfloop : jung1: thats a bear relaxing while the bulls run silly
[2015-11-22 16:31:47] jung1 : nah
[2015-11-22 16:32:00] floopfloop : jung1: yes sugar tits
[2015-11-22 16:32:40] jung1 : he laugh couse everyone thinks that he disappear
[2015-11-22 16:34:18] floopfloop : he laughs because he is smoking a doob while on his break
[2015-11-22 16:35:50] floopfloop : there should be a betting module between users. Say I want to bet the user an x amount of money the price will be above or below a certain price at a certain time. Then I could bet another user. What do you like BitMEX_Sam? lol
[2015-11-22 16:36:06] floopfloop : what do you think*
[2015-11-22 16:36:43] jung1 : there was that kind of site
[2015-11-22 16:36:51] jung1 : where you could make own bets
[2015-11-22 16:36:59] jung1 : social betting
[2015-11-22 16:37:22] floopfloop : yeah, but this would be more inclusive, and the funds wouldnt have to leave teh exchange
[2015-11-22 16:37:32] jung1 : https://www.betmoose.com/
[2015-11-22 16:44:10] floopfloop : did Bitmex do something with their MM? Ton more liquidity than usual
[2015-11-22 16:44:38] jung1 : yeah they run own willy bot
[2015-11-22 16:50:03] j8 : it's called the wally bot
[2015-11-22 17:10:34] aethlios : fee structure change tomorrow, -0.025% maker 0.075% taker.
[2015-11-22 17:10:47] justinlooking : where?
[2015-11-22 17:12:05] habibi : its it changed already?
[2015-11-22 17:13:22] aethlios : monday 12:00 gmt, in a few hours.
[2015-11-22 17:13:33] floopfloop : jung1: hows dat bear working out?
[2015-11-22 17:14:45] floopfloop : that dollar premium is real
[2015-11-22 17:18:56] floopfloop : ladies and gentleman, strap on your seatbelts. A bullrun is about to embark
[2015-11-22 17:23:56] TschavaTschigger : oh, fees going up... bad news
[2015-11-22 17:24:58] floopfloop : TschavaTschigger: no they arent
[2015-11-22 17:25:37] TschavaTschigger : they are, except you do market orders for the most part...
[2015-11-22 17:25:49] TschavaTschigger : if you do 50-50, fees are higher
[2015-11-22 17:26:29] habibi : TschavaTschigger: why? if u do 50/50 making and taking fees are the same
[2015-11-22 17:26:45] TschavaTschigger : no, taker was 0.0045% before as far as I remember
[2015-11-22 17:26:48] TschavaTschigger : and maker 0%
[2015-11-22 17:26:54] habibi : i think 0.005
[2015-11-22 17:27:10] habibi : maybe 0.0045 with 10% ref discount for 6 months
[2015-11-22 17:27:50] floopfloop : TschavaTschigger: nope
[2015-11-22 17:28:28] floopfloop : TschavaTschigger: 0.05%
[2015-11-22 17:28:48] floopfloop : now its .025/0.75
[2015-11-22 17:29:27] TschavaTschigger : wanna bet it was 0% / 0.045% before? I just looked up my trade history and recalculated it... and no, I don't have ref discount
[2015-11-22 17:29:29] BitMEX_Wally : minus 0.25%
[2015-11-22 17:29:51] BitMEX_Wally : TschavaTschigger: The fee change goes live tomorrow
[2015-11-22 17:30:14] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Wally: the taker fee before was 0.045% right? some people here claim it was 0.05%
[2015-11-22 17:30:15] BitMEX_Wally : So it is currently 0% / 0.05% (or if you have a 10% discount then 0% / 0.045%
[2015-11-22 17:31:02] TschavaTschigger : so I was wrong... seems like a have a discount, why? didn't refer anyone
[2015-11-22 17:31:03] BitMEX_Wally : Hover your mouse over the question mark on 'Order Controls (XBT24H) ?'
[2015-11-22 17:31:12] BitMEX_Wally : It will tell your your current rates
[2015-11-22 17:31:16] TschavaTschigger : yeah it says 0.045%
[2015-11-22 17:31:29] BitMEX_Wally : You were referred by someone
[2015-11-22 17:31:35] BitMEX_Wally : So you get 10% off for 6 months
[2015-11-22 17:31:58] TschavaTschigger : I wasn't
[2015-11-22 17:32:31] TschavaTschigger : maybe I clicked on a referral link when signing up lol
[2015-11-22 17:32:36] BitMEX_Wally : Yep
[2015-11-22 17:32:45] TschavaTschigger : tschavatschigger got outplayed hard
[2015-11-22 17:33:28] floopfloop : BitMEX_Wally: Am I just SOL if no one has used the referral link to sign up?
[2015-11-22 17:33:51] floopfloop : BitMEX_Wally: I was promoting Bitmex locally at the BTC meetup here before it ever was live lol
[2015-11-22 17:33:52] habibi : ref is active for 7 days after u enter page, so u could register later using bitmex.com and still gets up on ref
[2015-11-22 17:34:24] BitMEX_Wally : floopfloop: If you give us the email addresses of people who might have signed up we can link them to your account as referrals
[2015-11-22 17:34:29] BitMEX_Wally : floopfloop: Just email support@bitmex.com
[2015-11-22 17:34:58] j8 : what if we don't have any friends
[2015-11-22 17:35:20] floopfloop : BitMEX_Wally: I dont know if they signed up. Also, not the same or as many people show up to those any more. I had Arthur skype in to introduce Bitmex once
[2015-11-22 17:36:07] floopfloop : BitMEX_Wally: Its not a huge deal, I was just wondering. If I come across any emails Ill let you know for sure though
[2015-11-22 17:37:27] floopfloop : anyone else thinking we see 2100 tested today again?
[2015-11-22 17:37:39] floopfloop : or has it failed the 2100 test as of this morning?
[2015-11-22 17:47:23] floopfloop : omg 93% longs at bfx
[2015-11-22 17:48:03] floopfloop : a whale with like 5-10k btc should just go there and massive sell everyone into margin call
[2015-11-22 17:48:59] j8 : those meters are meaningless
[2015-11-22 17:49:38] floopfloop : they are usually a faint indicator
[2015-11-22 17:51:13] j8 : look at total sum of active swaps instead
[2015-11-22 17:51:56] floopfloop : link?
[2015-11-22 17:51:58] j8 : you'll see that longs are down about $160,000 from earlier today
[2015-11-22 17:52:02] j8 : https://bfxdata.com/combined/btc
[2015-11-22 17:52:15] j8 : longs being usd swaps
[2015-11-22 17:52:36] floopfloop : j8: for your enjoyment: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwidw_eozKTJAhVBmR4KHZL4A2YQyCkIHzAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DX4Rm87cqnUI&usg=AFQjCNHOus2mP88e9c58LDHsy6qo11VYIQ&sig2=QLcgjjlBCnKSvYKaT_7VyQ&bvm=bv.108194040,d.eWE
[2015-11-22 17:52:58] floopfloop : j8: oops, here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Rm87cqnUI
[2015-11-22 17:53:18] floopfloop : and thanks
[2015-11-22 17:53:43] j8 : np. the thing with the meters is it only counts opened long/short, not closed
[2015-11-22 17:53:59] j8 : so if someone closes and re-longs, it shoots up
[2015-11-22 17:54:27] j8 : so the net longs/shorts over time are more meaningful
[2015-11-22 17:54:48] floopfloop : lmk what you think of that link lol
[2015-11-22 17:54:51] floopfloop : so epic
[2015-11-22 17:56:21] j8 : can't watch right now
[2015-11-22 17:56:57] floopfloop : its more listening but save it if not
[2015-11-22 18:00:19] floopfloop : j8: so is the res line shorts or?
[2015-11-22 18:00:22] floopfloop : red
[2015-11-22 18:00:42] j8 : yes
[2015-11-22 18:01:10] j8 : green is total USD swaps, which includes people longing LTC also
[2015-11-22 18:01:57] j8 : which is a bit confusing. there's no way to tell if someone borrowed USD to buy BTC or LTC
[2015-11-22 18:03:12] j8 : but normally people don't worry about that since the ltc market on bitfinex is pretty small
[2015-11-22 18:13:56] floopfloop : j8: predictions for today?
[2015-11-22 18:15:54] rapidtrades : down
[2015-11-22 18:16:10] floopfloop : rapidtrades: no one asked you
[2015-11-22 18:16:12] j8 : slow at least until china wakes up, i'm guessing nothing too exciting for the next few days
[2015-11-22 18:16:56] rapidtrades : floopfloop: k then...
[2015-11-22 18:17:21] j8 : volatility is down big time
[2015-11-22 18:18:54] rapidtrades : what's with the 5k chunks in the orderbook?
[2015-11-22 18:19:26] floopfloop : read
[2015-11-22 18:19:29] j8 : consolidating in a big triangle with still a few days to resolve, basically 2050 to 2100 cny is the range i'm watching
[2015-11-22 18:20:00] rapidtrades : floopfloop: that didn't help u now did it? blowout boy
[2015-11-22 18:20:23] floopfloop : blowout boy? rofl
[2015-11-22 18:24:29] rapidtrades : wait the fee structure will change?
[2015-11-22 18:24:43] rapidtrades : god dam...so that's why
[2015-11-22 18:24:57] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, it is moving farther toward rewarding makers to encourage liquidity
[2015-11-22 18:25:18] rapidtrades : well that's good news for me :)
[2015-11-22 18:25:51] rapidtrades : but we're already seeing more competition by the looks of the orderbook...so we'll see how this works out
[2015-11-22 18:25:54] BitMEX_Sam : It's not an increase, simply a rebalance: `0 + 0.5 bps === -0.25 + 0.75 bps`
[2015-11-22 18:26:25] j8 : and if it makes spreads tighter, you may pay less in the end as taker
[2015-11-22 18:26:39] BitMEX_Sam : I think that's actually a fluke rapidtrades, the new fees don't go into effect until Monday
[2015-11-22 18:27:00] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: did u announce the changes before hand?
[2015-11-22 18:27:10] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, today
[2015-11-22 18:27:15] BitMEX_Sam : You should have an email
[2015-11-22 18:27:29] floopfloop : BitMEX_Sam: He never learned how to read
[2015-11-22 18:28:27] rapidtrades : floopfloop: hey if reading helped me make money, I would do it : Jesus Christ
[2015-11-22 18:28:41] rapidtrades : that's from the new testament
[2015-11-22 18:28:45] j8 : you'd be surprised
[2015-11-22 18:28:50] floopfloop : ^
[2015-11-22 18:29:04] floopfloop : it would also make you look much less foolish
[2015-11-22 18:29:37] rapidtrades : floopfloop: I only look foolish to ppl without a sense of humor
[2015-11-22 18:31:00] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: was the fee change announced before today?
[2015-11-22 18:31:05] BitMEX_Sam : No
[2015-11-22 18:33:35] rapidtrades : ok let's see how this will play out..it should encourage more competition
[2015-11-22 18:34:19] j8 : i think it'll be good, however, what do you think about lowering the fee at settlement @BitMEX_Sam
[2015-11-22 18:34:25] TschavaTschigger : i'm curious in how this will turn out with the new fee changes. it never seemed to me as if there weren't enough makers
[2015-11-22 18:35:00] BitMEX_Sam : Settlement is remaining as-is but we'll consider our options
[2015-11-22 18:35:14] BitMEX_Sam : TschavaTschigger: We're hoping to tighten the spreads which will make it cheaper to trade for everyone
[2015-11-22 18:35:15] j8 : as-is being 0.5% or 0.75%?
[2015-11-22 18:35:25] BitMEX_Sam : 0.005%
[2015-11-22 18:35:33] j8 : oh ok.
[2015-11-22 18:35:52] j8 : yeah i'm missing some zeros there
[2015-11-22 18:36:05] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry and I added one.
[2015-11-22 18:36:08] j8 : yes
[2015-11-22 18:36:09] BitMEX_Sam : :)
[2015-11-22 18:36:18] BitMEX_Sam : It's all on https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2015-11-22 18:36:59] rapidtrades : when do the changes start
[2015-11-22 18:37:05] BitMEX_Sam : Monday
[2015-11-22 18:37:50] rapidtrades : prolly smone did read the announcement properly and is starting to make markets today...these giant walls are unusual
[2015-11-22 18:38:58] j8 : there used to be 7500's and 12500's quoted but they've toned it down a bit lately
[2015-11-22 18:39:32] rapidtrades : ok I need to do some errands..bbl
[2015-11-22 19:05:49] TschavaTschigger : market making is as high as never before atm, however trades are quite low. might be the generally flat market today
[2015-11-22 19:06:17] TschavaTschigger : oh well, we had maintainance today, thats why the open interest is so low... forgot
[2015-11-22 19:06:46] BitMEX_Sam : Volume everywhere is very slow
[2015-11-22 19:07:34] BitMEX_Sam : One of our favorite at-a-glance pages: http://exchangewar.info/
[2015-11-22 19:12:25] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: nice, bookmarked
[2015-11-22 19:13:36] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: any update on the upcoming custom-leverage?
[2015-11-22 19:14:01] BitMEX_Sam : Not there yet, we have some work to do on the engine side for that
[2015-11-22 19:14:03] BitMEX_Sam : It's coming :)
[2015-11-22 19:20:07] podizzler3k : china premium .7%
[2015-11-22 19:20:11] podizzler3k : lame
[2015-11-22 19:27:19] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: hey sam, on api-explorer at the new api-interface I think I found a minor bug.. creating keys works fine, getting them too, disabling too, but when I try to delete I get "message": "apiKeyID is a required arg", although I do provide the correct ID
[2015-11-22 19:27:37] BitMEX_Sam : TschavaTschigger: Yes, DELETE is a bug in Swagger-UI
[2015-11-22 19:27:50] BitMEX_Sam : for whatever reason it doesn't pass parameters correctly. I'll check if that's been fixed upstream
[2015-11-22 19:28:07] BitMEX_Sam : You can manage your keys here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/apiKeys
[2015-11-22 19:28:38] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: oh yeah, that went online a few days ago... sweet, thanks
[2015-11-22 19:32:53] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: maybe a dumb question, but I can't squeeze two cidrs into one key? If I got two completely different ips I gotta make two separate keys right?
[2015-11-22 19:33:07] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, you have to make multiple keys for that
[2015-11-22 19:36:29] germanjew : I'm likely going to the scaling bitcoin workshops in HK, anyone else going?
[2015-11-22 19:36:29] habibi : that was liq?
[2015-11-22 19:43:55] irbbqu : yep
[2015-11-22 19:46:15] irbbqu : @320.68 lel
[2015-11-22 19:46:47] habibi : 319,81
[2015-11-22 20:04:44] irbbqu : Tough luck getting liquidated there
[2015-11-22 20:04:59] irbbqu : Almost too convenient lol
[2015-11-22 20:19:53] rapidtrades : well...spreads down to 5-15 cents now lol
[2015-11-22 20:40:19] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: update https://www.bitmex.com/app/affiliates page with new affiliate rules
[2015-11-22 20:40:41] BitMEX_Sam : Ah yes :) Thanks jung1
[2015-11-22 20:41:51] rapidtrades : so what's changed? the discount is now 6 instead of 1 month?
[2015-11-22 20:42:15] jung1 : lifetime commision instead of 6 months
[2015-11-22 20:42:33] BitMEX_Sam : Discount is still 6mo
[2015-11-22 20:42:57] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: discount was 1 before?
[2015-11-22 20:43:05] BitMEX_Sam : No, it never was 1 month
[2015-11-22 20:43:09] rapidtrades : ok
[2015-11-22 20:43:14] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: hows about actual referals? they are lifetime as well?
[2015-11-22 20:43:24] BitMEX_Sam : Yes that is the announcement.
[2015-11-22 20:43:45] BitMEX_Sam : That's the whole announcement - that referral payments have gone from 6mo to lifetime
[2015-11-22 20:43:56] jung1 : good move
[2015-11-22 20:44:07] habibi : great, thought only new ones will get lifetime
[2015-11-22 20:44:29] rapidtrades : is it only new referrals ?
[2015-11-22 20:44:40] jung1 : couple of months and I will be a shareholder of bitmex
[2015-11-22 20:44:41] BitMEX_Sam : All will
[2015-11-22 20:44:59] BitMEX_Sam : We actually never expired anyone's referrals, even those that were supposed to - we had known for a while that we were going to do this
[2015-11-22 20:45:00] habibi : jung1: ilu już masz z coinformacje i reszty? :)
[2015-11-22 20:45:46] jung1 : zaraz 20%
[2015-11-22 20:46:22] habibi : a ilu reffów? ja dopiero 15% bede mial
[2015-11-22 20:47:00] jung1 : 24
[2015-11-22 20:47:06] jung1 : a gdzie sie ogłaszasz?
[2015-11-22 20:47:30] habibi : po znajomych
[2015-11-22 20:51:12] rapidtrades : where are we going next folkds
[2015-11-22 20:51:39] habibi : maybe week more of this boring consolidation
[2015-11-22 20:52:14] jung1 : I hope that its time for bear http://i.imgur.com/xewKtB4.jpg
[2015-11-22 20:52:47] rapidtrades : go bears!
[2015-11-22 21:05:15] rapidtrades : god dam the orderbook is shot lool
[2015-11-22 21:15:06] jung1 : if you add 0.1 grouping its not so bad
[2015-11-22 21:20:26] rapidtrades : jung1: nah
[2015-11-22 21:22:16] habibi : true, really bad liquidity
[2015-11-22 21:30:32] micmix : maker rebates from Monday, very nice! thank you BitMEX_Arthur!
[2015-11-22 21:33:17] rapidtrades : my ass is paralyzed...
[2015-11-22 21:33:40] habibi : rapidtrades: ?
[2015-11-22 21:33:57] rapidtrades : too much action, can't get up
[2015-11-22 21:46:17] rapidtrades : god dam that was fun
[2015-11-22 21:50:28] jung1 : any profit?
[2015-11-22 21:52:10] rapidtrades : of course :)
[2015-11-22 21:56:42] zanza : wow this new change is crazy
[2015-11-22 21:57:20] rapidtrades : zanza: crazily awesome?
[2015-11-22 21:57:59] zanza : If I market make 10 mil a day, I can make $2500 PER DAY
[2015-11-22 21:58:05] zanza : wtf bananas
[2015-11-22 21:58:47] rapidtrades : zanza: good luck with that...u'll be lucky if u get filled on 10k here
[2015-11-22 21:59:55] micmix : zanza: you can also lose 5% of your MM balance if the market runs away from you. MM is not risk-free
[2015-11-22 22:00:08] rapidtrades : micmix: wise words
[2015-11-22 22:00:19] habibi : micmix: ur mm is 5k ones?
[2015-11-22 22:00:29] rapidtrades : micmix: yeah is it?
[2015-11-22 22:00:58] habibi : micmix: and why only 5 % ;p?
[2015-11-22 22:01:11] micmix : habibi: no :-)
[2015-11-22 22:01:34] rapidtrades : zanza: ur calc are wrong, u only get $240 per day for 10mil
[2015-11-22 22:02:02] zanza : says the guy who didn't even read the contract specs
[2015-11-22 22:02:45] micmix : 5% is just an example. if you run your MM unhedged you will usually try to reduce your position much sooner
[2015-11-22 22:03:41] micmix : but in any case MM in volatile markets like bitcoin is definitely not risk-free
[2015-11-22 22:03:47] rapidtrades : zanza: if reading did any good, it would be outlawed by the power that be
[2015-11-22 22:04:55] habibi : micmix: but ur dont have profit only from mm, looks at 5k bot, he moves the market when he want making some people panic buys or sells
[2015-11-22 22:04:57] jung1 : anyone from belgium here?
[2015-11-22 22:05:20] zanza : does netherlands count? :)
[2015-11-22 22:05:22] rapidtrades : jung1: yeah want some chocolate?
[2015-11-22 22:06:14] micmix : habibi: yeah, you can try to push the market if you're top MM in a small pond but it can backfire if people are running arbitrage
[2015-11-22 22:06:49] habibi : arbitrage on futures its a g reat idea, is it?
[2015-11-22 22:06:58] zanza : surte
[2015-11-22 22:07:13] rapidtrades : can any of ppl spell
[2015-11-22 22:07:16] micmix : of course, lots of money can be made on premium vs spot
[2015-11-22 22:07:36] jung1 : rapidtrades: nah. army are on brussels streets, citizens cant came to windows, metro is closed
[2015-11-22 22:08:14] zanza : u in brussels jung1?
[2015-11-22 22:08:23] zanza : i hear isis center in europe is belgium
[2015-11-22 22:08:29] rapidtrades : zanza: lol
[2015-11-22 22:08:55] rapidtrades : zanza: god dam I could used that to iron my clothes
[2015-11-22 22:09:13] zanza : i hear is mostly native born muslim from immigrant parents who will become radicalized, is that true?
[2015-11-22 22:09:21] zanza : not direct immigrants i mean
[2015-11-22 22:10:03] rapidtrades : yes
[2015-11-22 22:10:13] habibi : which means we need more muslim imigrants for futher generations of terrorists. Sick!
[2015-11-22 22:11:26] jung1 : zanza: nah
[2015-11-22 22:12:07] zanza : ?
[2015-11-22 22:12:14] jung1 : yeah belgium attack france. france should go for a war to belgium not to syria
[2015-11-22 22:12:18] jung1 : im not in brussel now
[2015-11-22 22:12:56] zanza : its strange though, the parents are happy to immigrate, since they will have a better life, but *some* of the kids become radicalized
[2015-11-22 22:12:58] rapidtrades : in other news, a drunk Russian crashed a ship into Scotland
[2015-11-22 22:13:47] jung1 : zanza: its because of social benefits. They get a lot of money for watching tv and smoking pot so they are bored and have stupid ideas
[2015-11-22 22:14:14] jung1 : if they will not get any benefits noone will came here because they will have to work
[2015-11-22 22:14:15] zanza : so only immigrant children get benefits?
[2015-11-22 22:14:42] jung1 : basicly most of immigrants
[2015-11-22 22:15:08] zanza : but , they didn't "came here" they were born
[2015-11-22 22:15:10] zanza : right?
[2015-11-22 22:15:17] zanza : their parents immigrate here
[2015-11-22 22:15:22] rapidtrades : he's confused lol
[2015-11-22 22:16:30] zanza : also I heard the woman bomber in france parties/drank alcohol/boyfriends/clubbing a lot
[2015-11-22 22:17:05] rapidtrades : she wasn't the one who blew herself up tho
[2015-11-22 22:17:27] rapidtrades : some other guy...they can't id him yet cos he's in pieces
[2015-11-22 22:17:49] rapidtrades : that's why they initially thought only 2 died
[2015-11-22 22:18:31] jung1 : zanza: its whole terrorist movement and a lot of people came here without checking them before
[2015-11-22 22:18:35] jung1 : https://twitter.com/NewsOnTheMin
[2015-11-22 22:18:54] jung1 : come on. shooting on the streets in europe?
[2015-11-22 22:19:47] zanza : weren't all the attackers in France not immigrants, they were born in EU?
[2015-11-22 22:19:53] rapidtrades : only 2 are suspected to come from the refugees...rest were French/Belgian
[2015-11-22 22:20:03] rapidtrades : so like 20%
[2015-11-22 22:20:16] rapidtrades : not sure how u can CHECK that
[2015-11-22 22:21:42] zanza : lol @ russian sailor rapidtrades
[2015-11-22 22:22:55] zanza : i haven't been following news today, was there an attack in Brussels?
[2015-11-22 22:23:20] rapidtrades : no but they're on high alert
[2015-11-22 22:23:36] zanza : a threat?
[2015-11-22 22:23:49] rapidtrades : anyway I'm gonna rest for a bit, things are calming down
[2015-11-22 22:24:04] rapidtrades : bbl
[2015-11-22 22:39:07] TschavaTschigger : zanza: they all had migrant background
[2015-11-22 22:39:37] zanza : so their parents were immigrants? thats what we said
[2015-11-22 22:40:12] TschavaTschigger : oh, didn't read so far back
[2015-11-22 22:40:32] TschavaTschigger : two of them came as "refugees" though
[2015-11-22 22:40:54] zanza : ok
[2015-11-22 22:41:21] TschavaTschigger : dunno if they were born in EU or not, but two of them definitely came on the classic balkan-route with the other refugees
[2015-11-22 22:41:53] zanza : so its mostly native EU born children of immigrants
[2015-11-22 22:42:39] zanza : i still dont understand really why they are so unhappy?
[2015-11-22 22:42:53] TschavaTschigger : well we have a sample size of like 7.. we can't draw conclusions to all terrorists, but these: yeah
[2015-11-22 22:43:01] zanza : they live in rich countries without fear of death
[2015-11-22 22:43:01] TschavaTschigger : lol.. they are islamists
[2015-11-22 22:43:07] TschavaTschigger : they hate the west
[2015-11-22 22:43:22] zanza : all Muslims do?
[2015-11-22 22:43:25] TschavaTschigger : no
[2015-11-22 22:43:30] TschavaTschigger : i said islamist
[2015-11-22 22:43:35] TschavaTschigger : islamist != moslem
[2015-11-22 22:44:09] zanza : i see, they are radicalized
[2015-11-22 22:44:17] TschavaTschigger : there are moslems, they believe in the Islam.. but then there are Islamists that believe in Islamism (I hope it's the correct word in English)
[2015-11-22 22:44:27] zanza : but how come their parents aren't radicalized?
[2015-11-22 22:44:30] TschavaTschigger : at least that's the German differentiation
[2015-11-22 22:44:37] zanza : i understand @TschavaTschigger
[2015-11-22 22:44:45] zanza : Islamist = radical islam
[2015-11-22 22:45:23] zanza : I think the parents are happy they can move to a place with food and without war
[2015-11-22 22:45:26] TschavaTschigger : not neccessarily radical, they just believe that the Islam law should be above the law of the country
[2015-11-22 22:45:36] TschavaTschigger : but it often leads to radicalism
[2015-11-22 22:45:54] zanza : btw, do you watch the show Homeland? one of my favorites
[2015-11-22 22:46:11] TschavaTschigger : well the young ones are often desperate because they can't find jobs... they are bored, don't have money
[2015-11-22 22:46:16] TschavaTschigger : no, never heard of it :(
[2015-11-22 22:46:38] zanza : yes, I think you are right
[2015-11-22 22:46:45] zanza : There is a problem with integration with the children
[2015-11-22 22:47:04] TschavaTschigger : there are whole suburbs that are islamistic in europe
[2015-11-22 22:47:11] TschavaTschigger : cause politicians don't care
[2015-11-22 22:47:40] TschavaTschigger : I am very liberal btw, always voted left-wing parties all my life... but our politicians are a total joke.. should have closed the borders a long time ago
[2015-11-22 22:47:49] zanza : the problem in Europe, is native born people aren't having children!
[2015-11-22 22:47:51] TschavaTschigger : 0 vision, iq 60
[2015-11-22 22:48:20] zanza : declining native populations, but their social system requires workers to pay for the older
[2015-11-22 22:48:30] zanza : so they are forced to take immigrants
[2015-11-22 22:48:51] zanza : if EU people just had more children, they could close the border =]
[2015-11-22 22:48:56] TschavaTschigger : we are not forced to take 80k immigrants a year.. our country has 8 million people
[2015-11-22 22:49:08] TschavaTschigger : immigration is good, obviously, that is not the question here
[2015-11-22 22:49:23] TschavaTschigger : it's all about a healthy number
[2015-11-22 22:49:47] zanza : also, it seems like you could get immigrants from all over the world who would love to live in Germany, like China/India/etc
[2015-11-22 22:49:55] TschavaTschigger : there is 0% chance we can integrate these people, they are going to create parallel-societies
[2015-11-22 22:50:05] TschavaTschigger : too many at once
[2015-11-22 22:50:27] zanza : how come the politicians feel they have to take so many from Muslim countries mostly? (since the culture is very different)
[2015-11-22 22:50:35] zanza : obviously the people choose the politicians
[2015-11-22 22:51:06] TschavaTschigger : because austria+germany have a very special mindset in europe.. nobody talks about that in the US
[2015-11-22 22:51:26] TschavaTschigger : because of ww2 we feel very guilty... and being "right-winged" is absolutely not cool
[2015-11-22 22:51:33] zanza : oh
[2015-11-22 22:51:54] TschavaTschigger : yeah.. if you vote for right-winged party, you never tell anyone cause it'S embarrassing
[2015-11-22 22:52:07] zanza : that makes sense, but what about France/Belgium and others?
[2015-11-22 22:52:46] TschavaTschigger : they just failed with their immigration politics... this has nothing to do with the current "open borders" because this is largely because of germany
[2015-11-22 22:52:59] TschavaTschigger : this happened last 10-20 years
[2015-11-22 22:53:29] TschavaTschigger : the france/belgium suburbs I mean
[2015-11-22 22:54:42] TschavaTschigger : but you gotta understand, although the terrorists were EU citizens and lived here before, the refugee crisis brought a whole lot of "momentum"
[2015-11-22 22:55:03] TschavaTschigger : the IS people could move in and out all the time
[2015-11-22 22:55:10] TschavaTschigger : could recruit people down there, come back etc. etc.
[2015-11-22 22:56:09] zanza : also the EU nationalists become more vocal I think gives isis power
[2015-11-22 22:56:26] TschavaTschigger : maybe
[2015-11-22 22:58:06] TschavaTschigger : but it was time for them to get more power because the left-winged parties lost their sense of reality... totally idealistic
[2015-11-22 22:58:45] zanza : i see
[2015-11-22 23:03:50] zanza : so EU is having now what happened after 9/11 in America?
[2015-11-22 23:21:48] TschavaTschigger : zanza: no, the USA declared war on terrorism and went to offensive mode
[2015-11-22 23:22:18] zanza : ok
[2015-11-22 23:22:33] TschavaTschigger : we are still trying to be nice... borders are still open everywhere :D but not long anymore I guess
[2015-11-22 23:23:41] TschavaTschigger : at least now, you can criticize current politics without having everbody think you are a nazi
[2015-11-22 23:23:50] TschavaTschigger : going to bed now, cya + ybebye
[2015-11-22 23:46:57] zanza : goodnight
[2015-11-22 23:55:49] jung1 : cyka blyat