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[2017-03-20 09:19:07] aron : even if i did 100 contracts with 10x leverage
[2017-03-20 09:19:24] j8 : well for example at 10x, you are liquidated after a -9.5% loss, which isn't much worse than -10%
[2017-03-20 09:19:34] aron : oh ok
[2017-03-20 09:19:39] jose : aron: 100x is the worst
[2017-03-20 09:20:03] Actualiteit : cross is a close second without stops tho lol
[2017-03-20 09:20:20] aron : jose should i have done 10x with 10 contracts?
[2017-03-20 09:20:40] aron : but i dont think i wouldve made any money off it
[2017-03-20 09:20:47] jose : aron: no, because it take 100x more margin that what you did haha
[2017-03-20 09:21:46] aron : jose can u give me an example of a good trade?
[2017-03-20 09:21:53] aron : its at 1022 right now
[2017-03-20 09:22:06] aron : and i expect it to reach 1025 soon
[2017-03-20 09:22:14] aron : so what kind of trade should i do?
[2017-03-20 09:22:17] jose : it is 1022 from 1017
[2017-03-20 09:22:33] jose : look like it is going to 1030+
[2017-03-20 09:22:39] KyllingLolsson : aron: One thing is for sure, the fear of mising out is what lead to most of my failures. So its better to miss out than to lose!
[2017-03-20 09:23:09] KyllingLolsson : u simply have to learn the hard way
[2017-03-20 09:23:11] aron : i made only 0.001?
[2017-03-20 09:23:20] aron : oh yeah thats right
[2017-03-20 09:23:24] jose : aron: dont take position if your not 100% sure
[2017-03-20 09:23:48] aron : jose it went to 1023 without hitting low
[2017-03-20 09:24:05] jose : aron: this is why i said it will go 1030+
[2017-03-20 09:24:21] Tetsuo : http://fortune.com/2017/03/19/irs-bitcoin-lawsuit/ Jail those criminals!
[2017-03-20 09:24:36] aron : wait i actually lost money on this trade?
[2017-03-20 09:24:49] aron : i lost .002
[2017-03-20 09:24:58] aron : even though i predicted correctly
[2017-03-20 09:25:02] aron : this is cause of fees
[2017-03-20 09:25:41] etoque : add doge here
[2017-03-20 09:25:59] aron : jose shouldnt i have made profit?
[2017-03-20 09:25:59] etoque : :D
[2017-03-20 09:26:30] aron : jose right now im not sure itll go to 1030 without reaching 1018
[2017-03-20 09:28:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 8 @ 0.042260
[2017-03-20 09:30:12] jose : not sure = dont trade
[2017-03-20 09:30:22] aron : jose im not trading right now
[2017-03-20 09:30:29] aron : im just wondering why i didnt make a profit
[2017-03-20 09:30:38] aron : even thought it went up
[2017-03-20 09:30:56] jose : because you took when you opened your position
[2017-03-20 09:31:06] aron : i took what?
[2017-03-20 09:31:10] freact : aron: look at your trade history to see
[2017-03-20 09:31:22] jose : you took the order in the orderbook instead of making
[2017-03-20 09:31:32] aron : how do i make it?
[2017-03-20 09:31:39] jose : people in the inderbook are paid when they are executed
[2017-03-20 09:32:05] freact : aron: check "Post-only" if you want to make sure you get the maker rebate
[2017-03-20 09:32:19] jose : but you shouldnt make on 100x because you are going against the trend
[2017-03-20 09:32:34] aron : jose i believe itll reach 1018 soon
[2017-03-20 09:33:14] jose : believe is not strong enough to go 100x :)
[2017-03-20 09:33:36] aron : even with 1 usd?
[2017-03-20 09:34:30] aron : jose okay. So should i go 10x with 10 usd?
[2017-03-20 09:34:36] aron : that makes 100 contracts
[2017-03-20 09:35:44] donsteep : that makes 10 contracts with a 1usd collateral
[2017-03-20 09:36:07] aron : donsteep i want 100 contracts
[2017-03-20 09:36:15] aron : so it makes 10 usd collateral
[2017-03-20 09:36:29] donsteep : if you want 100 then put 100 into quantity
[2017-03-20 09:36:31] DorianWhack-A-Moto : aron: go 100x on 1 dollar
[2017-03-20 09:37:01] donsteep : yeah do that. the most you can lose is 1 cent and you'll see how it works
[2017-03-20 09:37:42] aron : donsteep i went 100x with 1 usd when price was 1018
[2017-03-20 09:37:46] aron : i sold all at 1023 and made a loss
[2017-03-20 09:37:58] aron : this was because i didnt do a post only thing
[2017-03-20 09:38:15] aron : however my point is that i shouldve made a profit because the calculator said i would
[2017-03-20 09:38:23] donsteep : well. you didn't because that should leave you with 3 usd in between to make profit
[2017-03-20 09:38:34] aron : donsteep i lost 2-3 usd
[2017-03-20 09:38:49] aron : i lost 0.0022 xbt
[2017-03-20 09:38:53] donsteep : check your exec prices on your fills
[2017-03-20 09:39:28] aron : it shows 0.0003 xbt as profit
[2017-03-20 09:39:38] donsteep : you can't really trade movements of a few dollars because the spread and market order fees will eat you
[2017-03-20 09:39:58] aron : donsteep what if i did 10 usd with 100x?
[2017-03-20 09:40:41] donsteep : well then your collateral is 10 cents and you make 10 dollars if the price doubles
[2017-03-20 09:40:59] aron : sorry i meant 1000 usd
[2017-03-20 09:41:00] jose : aron: it is not the size the problem, it is your profit. 1$ is not enough to cover the taker fees
[2017-03-20 09:41:12] donsteep : yeah
[2017-03-20 09:41:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 229 @ 0.042470
[2017-03-20 09:41:40] aron : jose how much profit should i aim for?
[2017-03-20 09:42:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 40 @ 0.042760
[2017-03-20 09:42:35] donsteep : well assuming a spread of 0.5usd and 2x market order, the minimum is 2usd change in your favor just to break even
[2017-03-20 09:43:14] jose : aron: look at the chart, if you look at 1h you see the price moves 10$ then you should aim 5$
[2017-03-20 09:44:00] jose : I make several hours trade so i aim 20$ but it requires a lot of funds
[2017-03-20 09:44:13] datboiyuan : jose: high roller
[2017-03-20 09:44:16] aron : jose but it doesnt move 10$
[2017-03-20 09:44:28] jose : datboiyuan: not really xD
[2017-03-20 09:44:30] donsteep : then it's not a good place to trade
[2017-03-20 09:44:35] aron : it barely moves by few dollars
[2017-03-20 09:44:48] j8 : patience is key
[2017-03-20 09:44:56] aron : at 6:30 AM price was around 1022
[2017-03-20 09:45:21] KyllingLolsson : Let him learn the hard way...
[2017-03-20 09:45:33] jose : volatility is low since last 12h
[2017-03-20 09:45:34] j8 : it moved $300 over 3 days this past week
[2017-03-20 09:45:35] datboiyuan : aron: wait for a big move one way and bet hard the other. pretty good chance you maybe might win
[2017-03-20 09:45:46] aron : datboiyuan -.-
[2017-03-20 09:45:52] aron : genius
[2017-03-20 09:45:53] donsteep : aron I suggest you spend the day playing 50/100x bets with 1usd quantity and see which ones make you profit
[2017-03-20 09:46:03] Actualiteit : datboiyuan: bet, maybe, might
[2017-03-20 09:46:06] aron : donsteep i cant profit
[2017-03-20 09:46:06] Actualiteit : yeah no ty
[2017-03-20 09:46:14] aron : with 1 usd
[2017-03-20 09:46:17] etoque : donsteep: lol go with 10-30$ at least
[2017-03-20 09:46:27] jose : aron: 1 usd quantity not 1usd profit
[2017-03-20 09:46:41] etoque : cmon
[2017-03-20 09:46:49] aron : jose how can i make profit with 1 usd quantity? btc will have to double for me
[2017-03-20 09:46:53] etoque : 1 usd u loose ur time here lol
[2017-03-20 09:47:25] donsteep : the point is to get a good sense of how the trading works before you find your pockets empty
[2017-03-20 09:47:30] datboiyuan : Actualiteit: :)
[2017-03-20 09:47:31] etoque : oh
[2017-03-20 09:47:32] j8 : personally i think he's learned a lot from this chat and he's ready to go all in
[2017-03-20 09:47:36] etoque : yeah sure if so
[2017-03-20 09:47:40] donsteep : lol j8
[2017-03-20 09:47:42] datboiyuan : j8: definitely
[2017-03-20 09:47:48] datboiyuan : me too though, who can I pay?
[2017-03-20 09:47:49] Actualiteit : j8: Agree, he doesnt even need stops at this point
[2017-03-20 09:47:56] aron : jose what do you think about 5x leverage, 100 usd contracts (so 20 usd collateral) with aim of 1032?
[2017-03-20 09:48:11] datboiyuan : do it
[2017-03-20 09:48:26] aron : datboiyuan dont u have things to do
[2017-03-20 09:48:32] donsteep : yeah at least it'll leave you enough room for profit in between fees and spread
[2017-03-20 09:49:00] aron : donsteep i cant tell if youre serious
[2017-03-20 09:49:02] datboiyuan : actually right now I'm shitting
[2017-03-20 09:49:05] donsteep : I am :)
[2017-03-20 09:49:07] jose : aron: tell me something your are sure about bitcoin price
[2017-03-20 09:49:15] aron : it will go to 1030
[2017-03-20 09:49:30] zy : lol
[2017-03-20 09:49:39] jose : when ?
[2017-03-20 09:49:45] aron : within a few hours
[2017-03-20 09:50:18] zy : how about you go 100x all in if you're so sure?
[2017-03-20 09:50:22] donsteep : well pick your collateral based on what you won't mind losing and go ahead
[2017-03-20 09:50:30] aron : and the min itll reach is like 1012
[2017-03-20 09:50:42] aron : zy because ill get rekt by liquidation price
[2017-03-20 09:51:40] aron : zy there are also no guarantees in trading
[2017-03-20 09:52:03] aron : jose so what kind of trade should i do if i expect it to reach 1030?
[2017-03-20 09:52:18] datboiyuan : Aron you don't even know jose
[2017-03-20 09:52:20] donsteep : at the current price (swap), none
[2017-03-20 09:52:31] datboiyuan : not sure you can trust him..
[2017-03-20 09:52:36] aron : datboiyuan i know you well enough to not trust you
[2017-03-20 09:52:50] aron : you were giving me really bad advice
[2017-03-20 09:52:56] aron : jose is giving decent advice
[2017-03-20 09:53:24] datboiyuan : I sincerely wish you the best
[2017-03-20 09:53:32] aron : thanks
[2017-03-20 09:53:37] jose : if i doesnt go to 1030 in the next 2 hours then i will go down
[2017-03-20 09:53:39] donsteep : while we've been talking the price has gone up $4 and 1030 is no longer a viable target :(
[2017-03-20 09:54:22] aron : jose I understand your speculation i just dont understand the way to trade
[2017-03-20 09:54:50] aron : jose i think itll reach 1200 usd within a few days
[2017-03-20 09:55:06] aron : but i cant trade on this info because ill get rekt by liquidation
[2017-03-20 09:55:38] zy : i don't normally say this but you are acting like a 5 year old
[2017-03-20 09:55:58] jose : agree, you are afraid of big dump, i feel the same
[2017-03-20 09:56:22] aron : jose i think it can reach like 900 before going to 1200
[2017-03-20 09:56:32] aron : thats not such a big dump
[2017-03-20 09:56:41] aron : i'll just use 5x leverage
[2017-03-20 09:57:26] aron : okay its at 1030.9 now i think itll go to 1024 before reaching 1040
[2017-03-20 09:57:28] jose : be carefull
[2017-03-20 09:57:33] aron : okay thanks
[2017-03-20 09:57:44] jose : my internet is bad right now sorry :(
[2017-03-20 09:58:11] gjasklfgsd : jose: fjfl
[2017-03-20 09:58:19] gjasklfgsd : gagaga
[2017-03-20 09:59:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 20 @ 1033.75
[2017-03-20 09:59:57] stf28 : fcuk what a candle !
[2017-03-20 10:00:11] Actualiteit : well there goes my analysis lol
[2017-03-20 10:00:13] DorianWhack-A-Moto : /price
[2017-03-20 10:00:16] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1032.00 (0.00%) Bitfinex : 1034.10 (0.00%) The Woodchipper : 1036.70 (0.00%) itBit : 1027.00 (0.00%) Kraken : 1014.00 (0.00%) GDAX : 1028.33 (0.00%) SLQ : < 1 min```
[2017-03-20 10:00:25] DorianWhack-A-Moto : lol kraken
[2017-03-20 10:01:07] DorianWhack-A-Moto : /sentiment
[2017-03-20 10:01:10] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 44.28 / 55.72 Daily : 47.37 / 52.64 Weekly : 56.02 / 43.98 Monthly : 52.64 / 47.36```
[2017-03-20 10:02:05] datboiyuan : hey Aron that whole time you were chatting asking for help, the price was rising and you could have been long
[2017-03-20 10:03:05] donsteep : 100x long would've made a nice 50% or so in a few minutes
[2017-03-20 10:03:29] aron : datboiyuan but with what leverage and what contracts?
[2017-03-20 10:04:12] donsteep : that depends only on what you're willing to bet with and what your timeframe is
[2017-03-20 10:04:34] longbydefault : aron: depends on how much money you have outside the exchange
[2017-03-20 10:04:49] aron : i have only about 1 btc
[2017-03-20 10:05:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 2462 @ 1045.23
[2017-03-20 10:05:03] longbydefault : aron: how much money you have outside the exchange?
[2017-03-20 10:05:10] aron : 1 btc
[2017-03-20 10:05:11] datboiyuan : 1 btc is plenty to make little amounts
[2017-03-20 10:05:30] datboiyuan : do 5x 1000 contracts
[2017-03-20 10:05:41] aron : thats 200 usd collateral
[2017-03-20 10:05:51] datboiyuan : right
[2017-03-20 10:06:28] DorianWhack-A-Moto : keep your position well covered with margin so you have plenty of room before liquidation
[2017-03-20 10:06:58] DorianWhack-A-Moto : use the calculator to see what your liq price will be etc
[2017-03-20 10:07:03] datboiyuan : you either need more capital or a higher risk apetite
[2017-03-20 10:07:09] datboiyuan : you'll get smoked by leverage
[2017-03-20 10:07:26] datboiyuan : or teeny tiny gains I suppose
[2017-03-20 10:07:37] aron : if i did 1000 contracts with 5x leverage with entry price 1030 and exit 1040 then calc says i wouldve made .009 xbt profit
[2017-03-20 10:07:59] aron : shouldnt i put some sort of 'stop loss' or something?
[2017-03-20 10:08:06] donsteep : yes
[2017-03-20 10:08:14] donsteep : "stop market" is what you're looking for
[2017-03-20 10:08:19] aron : oh and i wouldnt have made 0.009 profit cause of Taker Fee
[2017-03-20 10:08:21] datboiyuan : or you could turn your leverage up as a defacto
[2017-03-20 10:09:11] donsteep : except that liquidation is a bitch and takes more than market stop
[2017-03-20 10:10:37] donsteep : but yes higher leverage is a way to put a strict limit on what can be lost
[2017-03-20 10:11:00] DorianWhack-A-Moto : sometimes i just use cross like a degenerate
[2017-03-20 10:11:03] DorianWhack-A-Moto : yolo
[2017-03-20 10:12:14] datboiyuan : cross is not for degenerate
[2017-03-20 10:12:30] datboiyuan : unless you don't have money I suppose
[2017-03-20 10:13:25] aron : guys i put i buy order for 1020 but it expired
[2017-03-20 10:13:31] aron : is there a way i can make it not expire?
[2017-03-20 10:13:43] aron : i dont want to stare at the screen all day
[2017-03-20 10:13:51] DorianWhack-A-Moto : datboiyuan: yeah but you're risking it all, but with good balance chance of liq is low.
[2017-03-20 10:14:28] donsteep : I'm not sure what expiration means
[2017-03-20 10:14:44] DorianWhack-A-Moto : donsteep: it means dont drink the milk after that date
[2017-03-20 10:15:01] longbydefault : how about trading small amount of contracts today... see how it works... like buy 10-50 contracts...
[2017-03-20 10:15:01] donsteep : whoa this changes everything
[2017-03-20 10:15:01] longbydefault : you don't have to risk everything today
[2017-03-20 10:15:01] aron : donsteep put a buy order of 900 for xbt right now
[2017-03-20 10:15:23] aron : after 5-10 minutes it will magically cancel itself
[2017-03-20 10:15:28] donsteep : oh ok
[2017-03-20 10:15:39] aron : (bitmex cancels orders not filled in few minutes)
[2017-03-20 10:16:03] donsteep : funny I wasn't aware of that
[2017-03-20 10:16:18] aron : okay so finally im doing 10 usd contract with 5x leverage waiting to reach 1200
[2017-03-20 10:17:40] datboiyuan : aron: that is not true
[2017-03-20 10:17:48] aron : yes it is
[2017-03-20 10:18:00] datboiyuan : that they cancel orders within a few minutes?
[2017-03-20 10:18:06] aron : if its not filled
[2017-03-20 10:18:43] datboiyuan : yeah, that's not true
[2017-03-20 10:18:54] aron : but it just cancelled mine
[2017-03-20 10:20:37] aron : i had multiple orders
[2017-03-20 10:21:45] DorianWhack-A-Moto : If they canceled orders after a few minutes orderbook would be empty.
[2017-03-20 10:22:28] BitMEX_Wally : aron: Please read this: https://blog.bitmex.com/notice-regarding-spam-orders/
[2017-03-20 10:22:48] BitMEX_Wally : Now your account has been flagged as a spam account you are free to submit small orders and they will be automatically hidden, instead of canceled
[2017-03-20 10:23:30] aron : well you couldve just told me to hide my orders but okay
[2017-03-20 10:23:57] aron : Datboiyuan they think im spamming
[2017-03-20 10:24:54] BitMEX_Wally : 10 contracts is just below the threshold of 0.01 Bitcoin. Try 11 contracts :)
[2017-03-20 10:25:51] aron : BitMEX_Wally ok thanks
[2017-03-20 10:28:53] rapidtrades : @sleger bra? u here?
[2017-03-20 10:29:24] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: wally will we get both chains when this POS coin forks?
[2017-03-20 10:29:35] datboiyuan : there is no fork
[2017-03-20 10:29:50] rapidtrades : noone axed u new
[2017-03-20 10:30:12] datboiyuan : bruh
[2017-03-20 10:30:19] BitMEX_Wally : https://blog.bitmex.com/on-potential-post-fork-contract-settlement/
[2017-03-20 10:30:58] rapidtrades : rly? the sum of both coins? that's bullshit
[2017-03-20 10:31:47] datboiyuan : what would you expect?
[2017-03-20 10:31:55] rapidtrades : how does that even make sense?
[2017-03-20 10:32:01] datboiyuan : you know that statement says: "there will be no fork"
[2017-03-20 10:32:13] rapidtrades : datboiyuan: stop talking
[2017-03-20 10:32:24] datboiyuan : you're free to withdraw your coin
[2017-03-20 10:33:05] rapidtrades : doing everything to protect the newbs as usual
[2017-03-20 10:33:08] DorianWhack-A-Moto : datboiyuan: no you're free to withdraw the "minor" coin. withdraws on the other might be suspended
[2017-03-20 10:33:20] datboiyuan : I meant now
[2017-03-20 10:33:27] datboiyuan : dude it protects the network
[2017-03-20 10:33:27] rapidtrades : this is such bullshit
[2017-03-20 10:33:36] datboiyuan : its to prevent replay attacks you dunce
[2017-03-20 10:33:40] rapidtrades : making up rules as they go along
[2017-03-20 10:33:50] datboiyuan : yeah, just like the protocol
[2017-03-20 10:34:28] arbitrage101 : my english was never good
[2017-03-20 10:34:53] arbitrage101 : can anyone explain https://blog.bitmex.com/on-potential-post-fork-contract-settlement/
[2017-03-20 10:34:59] arbitrage101 : in simple english
[2017-03-20 10:35:21] j8 : basically, it's gonna be chaos
[2017-03-20 10:35:24] rapidtrades : means they wont follow their index and they will bail out the newbs when we crash
[2017-03-20 10:35:41] arbitrage101 : using vocabulary not higher than high shool level
[2017-03-20 10:35:46] rapidtrades : the sum of both coins could be 1200, 600 each
[2017-03-20 10:35:51] rapidtrades : this is major bs
[2017-03-20 10:36:31] arbitrage101 : i am going all cash then
[2017-03-20 10:37:50] j8 : and what happens when the swap switches index
[2017-03-20 10:38:00] arbitrage101 : yes
[2017-03-20 10:38:07] arbitrage101 : what if okc followed btu
[2017-03-20 10:38:16] arbitrage101 : and western exchanges the other one
[2017-03-20 10:38:23] j8 : you can't just switch the index without liquidating / adl'ing everyone
[2017-03-20 10:38:55] DorianWhack-A-Moto : "Perpetual swap contracts will be timed to switch underlying indices in tandem with a futures contract. Ample notice will be given. Like futures, the new index will reference only one chain."
[2017-03-20 10:39:30] DorianWhack-A-Moto : shit show i think
[2017-03-20 10:39:32] arbitrage101 : it is a perfect time to rename bitcoin
[2017-03-20 10:39:43] arbitrage101 : buttcoin and bitcorn?
[2017-03-20 10:39:56] rapidtrades : no wonder prices recovered after this financial engineering
[2017-03-20 10:40:07] DorianWhack-A-Moto : will be a good time to trade but will be confusing as hell
[2017-03-20 10:40:10] rapidtrades : these ppl will do everything to keep bitcoin high
[2017-03-20 10:40:34] rapidtrades : wouldn't be surprised if all exchanges are pumping it behind the scenes
[2017-03-20 10:43:39] arbitrage101 : rapidtrades: world is full of chaos
[2017-03-20 10:43:48] arbitrage101 : no one can plan and predict what happen
[2017-03-20 10:44:24] Tetsuo : this solution feels weird
[2017-03-20 10:44:53] Tetsuo : only real USD will be safe
[2017-03-20 10:45:00] arbitrage101 : Tetsuo: yes
[2017-03-20 10:45:01] j8 : basically any solution is a bit weird. but i agree
[2017-03-20 10:45:03] arbitrage101 : how irony
[2017-03-20 10:45:21] arbitrage101 : bitcoin is suppose to protect us from tyranny
[2017-03-20 10:45:24] DorianWhack-A-Moto : all markets should go down for 24 hours maintenance.
[2017-03-20 10:45:34] rapidtrades : u can't hedge here anymore then
[2017-03-20 10:45:37] aron : rapidtrades isnt this good for you too
[2017-03-20 10:45:47] j8 : Tetsuo: actually this way the futures are valued more like actual coins
[2017-03-20 10:45:56] Tetsuo : i know
[2017-03-20 10:45:58] aron : unless you were shorting it
[2017-03-20 10:46:15] arbitrage101 : he is shorting it since 880
[2017-03-20 10:46:19] aron : lol
[2017-03-20 10:46:54] j8 : so you can arb / hedge against spot more accurately
[2017-03-20 10:48:01] rapidtrades : not if ur long on exchanges
[2017-03-20 10:48:16] rapidtrades : this will wreck arbers
[2017-03-20 10:48:31] j8 : only if the exchange doesn't credit you
[2017-03-20 10:48:35] Tetsuo : any statements from okcoin.com ?
[2017-03-20 10:48:37] arbitrage101 : closing all my contracts as soon as i can
[2017-03-20 10:48:41] rapidtrades : they keep making up shit man
[2017-03-20 10:48:52] Tetsuo : arbitrage101: me too
[2017-03-20 10:49:04] arbitrage101 : not worth sleepless night
[2017-03-20 10:49:08] aron : rapidtrades is this the situation in all sites?
[2017-03-20 10:49:17] Dnavid : Folks been shorting since 1220, adding leverage + a little more funds going down. My liquidation is 1090 i'm at max leverage! Go down now btc!!
[2017-03-20 10:49:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 10000 @ 1038.28
[2017-03-20 10:49:17] j8 : if the future only followed one coin, that would wreck arbers. this is just a punch in the face for shorts
[2017-03-20 10:49:38] arbitrage101 : j8: you mean for long
[2017-03-20 10:49:50] DorianWhack-A-Moto : oh shit thought that rekt was me for a second lol
[2017-03-20 10:49:52] j8 : it's good for longs
[2017-03-20 10:49:55] arbitrage101 : whatever side chain it is, it cant possible worth more than btc as a whole
[2017-03-20 10:49:59] Tetsuo : bad for shorts
[2017-03-20 10:50:15] j8 : sorry by "this" i mean what bitmex is doing
[2017-03-20 10:50:32] ThruTheFloor : DorianWhack-A-Moto: What do you make of the current price action? Breakdown failed, looks like we might see 1100 soon.
[2017-03-20 10:50:40] aron : j8 why dont u try other sites then?
[2017-03-20 10:50:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 4501 @ 1039.19
[2017-03-20 10:51:09] rapidtrades : ofc its good for longs, they want to protect the majority losers again same with ZEC
[2017-03-20 10:51:15] j8 : aron: i trade lots of places, been here for years and it's not gonna drive me away
[2017-03-20 10:51:20] aron : ok cool
[2017-03-20 10:51:25] aron : /sentiment
[2017-03-20 10:51:28] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 38.07 / 61.93 Daily : 49.48 / 50.52 Weekly : 56.03 / 43.97 Monthly : 52.62 / 47.38```
[2017-03-20 10:51:37] arbitrage101 : dont even know how i find bitmex
[2017-03-20 10:51:41] DorianWhack-A-Moto : ThruTheFloor: i just opened a short so hope not lol. seriously would be surprised if we go over 1060+
[2017-03-20 10:51:44] arbitrage101 : and decided to stick around
[2017-03-20 10:51:57] aron : i think we'll see 1100 by the end of today
[2017-03-20 10:52:14] arbitrage101 : good trader dont make assumption
[2017-03-20 10:52:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 20 @ 1039.74
[2017-03-20 10:52:29] aron : you mean good traders dont speculate?
[2017-03-20 10:52:30] stf28 : /wall
[2017-03-20 10:52:39] aron : isnt this all speculation?
[2017-03-20 10:52:42] arbitrage101 : aron: correct in some sense
[2017-03-20 10:53:01] aron : arbitrage how do u trade then
[2017-03-20 10:53:06] arbitrage101 : many here place high probability bet
[2017-03-20 10:53:21] arbitrage101 : spread across different exchanges
[2017-03-20 10:53:33] arbitrage101 : wide spread happen for some high risk reason
[2017-03-20 10:55:15] j8 : quarterly already pricing higher
[2017-03-20 10:55:48] arbitrage101 : dang
[2017-03-20 10:55:52] arbitrage101 : have some short on it
[2017-03-20 10:56:00] j8 : i already closed :)
[2017-03-20 10:56:11] j8 : before i read the whole post
[2017-03-20 10:58:35] Tetsuo : well ETH never got a combined index did it?
[2017-03-20 10:58:49] arbitrage101 : was not a big deal at bitmex
[2017-03-20 10:58:57] arbitrage101 : alt trading here was minimal
[2017-03-20 10:59:23] arbitrage101 : btc on the other hand, is a big deal here
[2017-03-20 10:59:40] arbitrage101 : synthetic usd based on usd
[2017-03-20 10:59:41] j8 : i definitely didn't, i never really heard what happened to margin positions on other exchanges
[2017-03-20 10:59:50] ferpozie : good day,
[2017-03-20 10:59:57] rapidtrades : this is bullshit and they know it
[2017-03-20 11:00:16] arbitrage101 : j8: on finex ,i remember getting etc margin trading
[2017-03-20 11:00:21] arbitrage101 : free etc
[2017-03-20 11:00:27] arbitrage101 : while i shorted here for funding
[2017-03-20 11:00:38] arbitrage101 : have 0 clue what's going on eth
[2017-03-20 11:00:39] j8 : oh yeah from a leveraged position?
[2017-03-20 11:00:44] arbitrage101 : traded solely based on funding
[2017-03-20 11:00:50] arbitrage101 : yes, leveraged position
[2017-03-20 11:01:13] j8 : honestly it makes sense in a lot of ways
[2017-03-20 11:02:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 30 @ 0.042550
[2017-03-20 11:03:12] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 5667 @ 1041.08
[2017-03-20 11:04:01] arbitrage101 : rapidtrades: everything sounds like bs to you
[2017-03-20 11:04:19] arbitrage101 : should adopt and take advantage rather than complain
[2017-03-20 11:05:46] rapidtrades : yeah i'll adapt away from this stupid place
[2017-03-20 11:06:00] rapidtrades : joke gambling exchange with ever changing rules
[2017-03-20 11:06:12] Actualiteit : rapidtrades: chill, just add some more shorts
[2017-03-20 11:06:14] arbitrage101 : fee here is a lot lower than other exchanges
[2017-03-20 11:06:39] arbitrage101 : if you can't survive here, you cant survive elsewhere
[2017-03-20 11:07:45] laisee : this is not a tough place to trade ... plenty of instruments and margin if needed
[2017-03-20 11:09:05] laisee : if u can't make it here, you won;t make it anywhere .... like thsong goes
[2017-03-20 11:24:19] aguia7 : /rekt
[2017-03-20 11:24:19] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 12 hours, 53 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 210000 @ 1034.53 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 19 hours, 43 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 100000 @ 1010.42 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 34 hours, 33 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 100000 @ 1000.02 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ```
[2017-03-20 11:24:28] aguia7 : /sentiment
[2017-03-20 11:24:31] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 31.32 / 68.68 Daily : 49.02 / 50.98 Weekly : 56.01 / 43.99 Monthly : 52.59 / 47.41```
[2017-03-20 11:28:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 600 @ 1043.14
[2017-03-20 11:35:42] Farzad : /fork
[2017-03-20 11:35:43] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 786.25 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 263.89 (0.00%) SLQ : < 1 min```
[2017-03-20 11:35:59] Ahhere : Farzad: wow nice feature
[2017-03-20 11:36:07] Farzad : ty :)
[2017-03-20 11:36:58] Farzad : seems BCU gaining ground
[2017-03-20 11:38:41] Tetsuo : so what if polo dosnt use a combined index of BTCc and BTCu, how wil that affect alts in here?
[2017-03-20 11:39:22] Tetsuo : Farzad: nice <3
[2017-03-20 11:53:10] XXXX : Farzad: ratio??
[2017-03-20 11:55:50] cryptoyolo : /sentiment
[2017-03-20 11:55:52] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 43.27 / 56.73 Daily : 48.96 / 51.04 Weekly : 56.17 / 43.83 Monthly : 52.60 / 47.41```
[2017-03-20 11:56:06] arbitrage101 : Tetsuo: think polo is fucked
[2017-03-20 11:56:32] arbitrage101 : polo is f-ucked
[2017-03-20 11:56:43] arbitrage101 : short polo stock !
[2017-03-20 11:57:07] laisee : Farzad: can u add coin.dance data for miner share of core/bu?
[2017-03-20 12:06:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 73 @ 1049.31
[2017-03-20 12:06:52] jayesh : ANY ADMIN HERE? PLS REPLY ?
[2017-03-20 12:07:26] jayesh : BLOCKCHAIN NETWORK IS NOT CONGESTED NOW
[2017-03-20 12:07:38] jayesh : CAN YOU PEOPLE PLEASE LOWER THE WITHDRAWAL FEES
[2017-03-20 12:07:44] jayesh : 0.003 IS VERY VERY HIGH
[2017-03-20 12:08:35] emcor : /rekt
[2017-03-20 12:08:35] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 13 hours, 37 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 210000 @ 1034.53 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 20 hours, 28 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 100000 @ 1010.42 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 35 hours, 17 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 100000 @ 1000.02 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ```
[2017-03-20 12:10:44] cryptoyolo : btc going to 155 again
[2017-03-20 12:10:46] cryptoyolo : 1055
[2017-03-20 12:11:10] cryptoyolo : if it breaks upwards we might expect 1080
[2017-03-20 12:11:36] aethlios : what happened?? what is with polo happening?? any news>>
[2017-03-20 12:12:28] arbitrage101 : jayesh: yeah, my dinner cost less
[2017-03-20 12:15:26] XXXX : Fucking polo
[2017-03-20 12:15:42] Ahhere : XXXX: what is the deal? @aethlios
[2017-03-20 12:16:19] XXXX : Ahhere: dont know. Everyone is saying so i also joined the club
[2017-03-20 12:16:23] jayesh : aethlios: what happened to polo ?
[2017-03-20 12:16:31] Actualiteit : XXXX: fuck polo
[2017-03-20 12:16:37] Ahhere : XXXX: lol yeah fuck those guise
[2017-03-20 12:16:39] DorianWhack-A-Moto : hey guys did you hear about polo?
[2017-03-20 12:16:48] Actualiteit : DorianWhack-A-Moto: yeah, fuck those fuckers
[2017-03-20 12:16:55] Ahhere : all this FUD is making me hungry
[2017-03-20 12:16:57] DorianWhack-A-Moto : yeah fuck polo
[2017-03-20 12:16:58] arbitrage101 : yes
[2017-03-20 12:17:03] arbitrage101 : polo molested my btc
[2017-03-20 12:17:07] aethlios : DorianWhack-A-Moto: no, tell us
[2017-03-20 12:17:07] Actualiteit : same
[2017-03-20 12:17:17] DorianWhack-A-Moto : aethlios: fuck polo
[2017-03-20 12:17:23] DorianWhack-A-Moto : thats the story
[2017-03-20 12:17:28] Ahhere : arbitrage101: bastards did they fondle your satoshis?
[2017-03-20 12:18:39] XXXX : Polo raped my btc and gave me little xmr and zec. And zec died soon after.
[2017-03-20 12:19:21] Ahhere : awful, just awful @XXXX sorry to hear
[2017-03-20 12:19:24] arbitrage101 : Ahhere: absolutely
[2017-03-20 12:19:46] stf28 : XXXX: what happened?
[2017-03-20 12:20:30] reyno : can anyone explain what is going on with BCC and BCU please?
[2017-03-20 12:20:30] XXXX : stf28: you dont know what happened to polo? Where have you been last few hours?
[2017-03-20 12:20:51] stf28 : i just follow price :)
[2017-03-20 12:21:07] Ahhere : I heard they have been fingering peoples Factom and diddling their Digix DAO. sick really
[2017-03-20 12:21:18] XXXX : stf28: long story short polo got fucked.
[2017-03-20 12:21:28] stf28 : ok maybe i can read on reddit?
[2017-03-20 12:22:13] Actualiteit : stf28: fuck reddit exit scam
[2017-03-20 12:23:11] aethlios : one problem with polo is in which currency they will price after fork alts.
[2017-03-20 12:23:47] aethlios : Estimated Hashrate by Bitcoin Client Unlimited: 1,435PH/s (41.27%) Core: 2,030PH/s (58.38%) Other: 12PH/s (0.35%)
[2017-03-20 12:23:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 10 @ 1044.59
[2017-03-20 12:24:12] aethlios : BU new high from 40.59% yesterday, now 41.27%
[2017-03-20 12:26:03] longbydefault : /fork
[2017-03-20 12:26:07] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 795.98 (1.24%) Bitfinex BCU : 265.00 (0.42%) SLQ : 50 mins```
[2017-03-20 12:27:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 4 @ 0.043530
[2017-03-20 12:28:43] jayesh : Can anybody tell me what happened to Polo? I have money there. Should i withdraw ?
[2017-03-20 12:29:19] Actualiteit : jayesh: fuck polo dude they're such fucking fraudds, diddlying and shit
[2017-03-20 12:29:35] DorianWhack-A-Moto : polo caught diddling
[2017-03-20 12:30:03] DorianWhack-A-Moto : diddle diddle cat 'n the fiddle
[2017-03-20 12:30:11] XXXX : Polo is storing 2FA key of all users used during login.
[2017-03-20 12:30:51] jayesh : XXXX: source ?
[2017-03-20 12:32:21] Ahhere : lol isn't that how 2fa is done?
[2017-03-20 12:32:47] XXXX : Ahhere: source?
[2017-03-20 12:32:53] rapidtrades : whats up with polo? my ZEC is there
[2017-03-20 12:33:05] jayesh : rapidtrades: nothing. Just FUD
[2017-03-20 12:33:29] Ahhere : lol chinese whispers nearly got out of hand there
[2017-03-20 12:33:45] Ahhere : we almost crashed the alt market guise
[2017-03-20 12:33:59] Actualiteit : almost?
[2017-03-20 12:34:00] Actualiteit : not enough
[2017-03-20 12:35:06] Ahhere : "bitmex troll fud crashes all alts!"
[2017-03-20 12:36:37] Actualiteit : it would be glorious
[2017-03-20 12:37:09] Actualiteit : eth movement happenings soon?
[2017-03-20 12:37:16] Actualiteit : kinda wanna get a nice short in again
[2017-03-20 12:37:43] rapidtrades : I don't get how bitmex will implement this crazy plan without ADLing and margin calling everyone
[2017-03-20 12:37:58] Actualiteit : just short eerything and youll be good
[2017-03-20 12:38:08] rapidtrades : they will have to disconnect from the exchanges well before the fork
[2017-03-20 12:38:30] rapidtrades : this is such made up bullshit
[2017-03-20 12:38:35] donsteep : cross margin, 100x short everything there is and see what happens?
[2017-03-20 12:38:44] Actualiteit : donsteep: dont forget to not use stops
[2017-03-20 12:38:53] rapidtrades : now we gotta depend on when these guys will decide to pull the plug on the index
[2017-03-20 12:38:59] donsteep : ofc, why would you ever use stops duh
[2017-03-20 12:40:01] rapidtrades : so fork happens and Core is wroth 800 BU is 250, prices crash to 800....HOW THE F*cK WILL U THEN MOVE THE MARK TO 1250 WITHOUT MARGIN CALLING EVERYONE
[2017-03-20 12:40:16] rapidtrades : this is so retar.ded
[2017-03-20 12:40:29] Actualiteit : is it though?
[2017-03-20 12:41:46] rapidtrades : Smone explain how can they switch without wrekting everyone's trades
[2017-03-20 12:42:33] donsteep : I know nothing of the technicals but I suppose one could simply rescale all prices?
[2017-03-20 12:42:44] laisee : rapidtrades: Y do you think bitmex would commit commercial suicide
[2017-03-20 12:43:15] rapidtrades : laisee: don't try to act smart, answer my Q
[2017-03-20 12:43:40] Actualiteit : rapidtrades: why would you think everyone gets rekt?
[2017-03-20 12:43:49] XXXX : rapidtrades: READ RESEARCH LEARN you noob
[2017-03-20 12:43:53] laisee : not acting. Can you point to any evidence they will attempt what you describe?
[2017-03-20 12:43:56] rapidtrades : do u ppl even read
[2017-03-20 12:44:06] Actualiteit : rapidtrades: meybe you should read.
[2017-03-20 12:44:12] rapidtrades : i'll just wait for the adults to get in chat
[2017-03-20 12:44:15] Actualiteit : maybe*
[2017-03-20 12:44:32] laisee : RTFM?
[2017-03-20 12:48:21] rapidtrades : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking#Last-Price-Protected-Marking
[2017-03-20 12:48:50] Actualiteit : rapidtrades: that is the message where they explain things yes
[2017-03-20 12:49:11] Tetsuo : there is no safe haven in here, when thi shtf
[2017-03-20 12:50:00] laisee : rapidtrades: no mention of forks
[2017-03-20 12:50:22] rapidtrades : It may not be possible to predict or plan to get reliable pricing data from our current Index exchanges, or they may not list the minor coin at all. In the event of a Contentious Fork BitMEX reserves the right to move all Bitcoin derivatives to Last Price Protected Marking, until a stable index can be composed.
[2017-03-20 12:50:43] j8 : it's a valid question, how they'll transition the swap
[2017-03-20 12:51:06] rapidtrades : they will MC all shorts to bailout longs
[2017-03-20 12:51:36] laisee : so they will fudge it until things get more clear on exchanges, more likley
[2017-03-20 12:51:41] rapidtrades : so how does last price protected work? basically prices will be frozen when they decide?
[2017-03-20 12:51:43] j8 : i think they should settle it
[2017-03-20 12:51:59] Tetsuo : ^+1
[2017-03-20 12:52:07] j8 : no it's mostly like marking to last traded price
[2017-03-20 12:52:07] laisee : emergency closing?
[2017-03-20 12:52:19] rapidtrades : dude they have to follow the price on the exchanges
[2017-03-20 12:52:28] laisee : Y?
[2017-03-20 12:52:47] rapidtrades : cos they did before and will do so after
[2017-03-20 12:53:03] rapidtrades : why change it for the fork only? to bail out some dumb longs?
[2017-03-20 12:53:11] laisee : they have listed few coins with no external price, its not impossible to trade on last price for a while
[2017-03-20 12:53:34] rapidtrades : so they will freeze prices and settle contracts on some imaginary price just so longs survive?
[2017-03-20 12:53:47] laisee : last price != frozen price
[2017-03-20 12:54:07] rapidtrades : last price protected, says its only allowed to move within a band
[2017-03-20 12:54:11] laisee : read the page linked above
[2017-03-20 12:54:23] rapidtrades : i f*cking linked it
[2017-03-20 12:54:34] j8 : last pricthat's the protected part, some protection against wicks
[2017-03-20 12:54:39] j8 : whoops
[2017-03-20 12:54:41] laisee : yeah, funny I assumed you had read it
[2017-03-20 12:55:25] rapidtrades : this is such bullshit, they make up all these rules to justify another bailout
[2017-03-20 12:55:28] j8 : it can move within a band but the band follows the price
[2017-03-20 12:55:50] j8 : dude there's no easy way to handle this
[2017-03-20 12:55:50] rapidtrades : we traded based on those exchanges in the index and those exchanges will remain in the index after the fork
[2017-03-20 12:56:03] rapidtrades : so why make a special rules during the fork
[2017-03-20 12:56:12] laisee : why don't you trade on this weakness instead of raging about it ...
[2017-03-20 12:58:03] j8 : the last price protected part is just saying: this is what we'll have to do if we can't obtain an index for a short period
[2017-03-20 12:58:15] j8 : they've done it before, i.e. on XBJ series
[2017-03-20 12:58:40] j8 : when quoine was whacking out
[2017-03-20 12:58:40] laisee : yup, and world didnt end
[2017-03-20 12:59:00] aethlios : Users will be able to withdraw the minor currency, but not deposit it. We have no plans to support multiple margin currencies. Balances of the minor currency will be calculated via a snapshot at the time of the fork and maintained separately to major currency’s margin balance, as further mixing of the currencies thereafter could lead to improper attribution.
[2017-03-20 12:59:05] rapidtrades : right it will just decouple the mark from the exchanges
[2017-03-20 12:59:11] aethlios : this means we receive BTU???
[2017-03-20 12:59:17] rapidtrades : so trading hot air basically
[2017-03-20 12:59:33] rapidtrades : and march will settle on some made up double coin
[2017-03-20 13:00:21] laisee : fork won't happen in mar '17, dude
[2017-03-20 13:00:37] rapidtrades : fork could happened tomorrow DUDE
[2017-03-20 13:00:41] rapidtrades : ur clueless
[2017-03-20 13:00:50] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: "double coin" ?
[2017-03-20 13:00:51] j8 : ok say you short march 1x. you hold a coin and it's hedged. a fork happens, now you have two coins and they're both hedged