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[2017-03-20 03:17:12] datboiyuan : are the transactions not faster as well?
[2017-03-20 03:21:05] micmix : datboiyuan: yes, lower fees. txs are faster if backlog decreases.
[2017-03-20 03:22:28] Farzad : just for comparison, DASH confirmation time is 4 seconds. BTC is 10 minutes !
[2017-03-20 03:22:46] micmix : but software update is a pain. for example, I made custom bitcoin daemon for a client a year ago, based on older bitcoin implementation. increasing blocksize is 5 min of work. adding segwit is 1-2 weeks
[2017-03-20 03:22:50] DorianWhack-A-Moto : dash has instamine scam though.
[2017-03-20 03:23:07] datboiyuan : Farzad: visa is faster too
[2017-03-20 03:23:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 3 @ 0.040880
[2017-03-20 03:23:09] Farzad : DorianWhack-A-Moto: what do u mean ?
[2017-03-20 03:23:19] Farzad : datboiyuan: visa is not p2p
[2017-03-20 03:23:25] datboiyuan : Exactly
[2017-03-20 03:23:34] DorianWhack-A-Moto : when dash launched 3 million or so dash were instamined by developers
[2017-03-20 03:23:37] datboiyuan : neither is DASH
[2017-03-20 03:23:45] datboiyuan : its P2MN2P
[2017-03-20 03:24:13] j8 : dash block time is the same as litecoin, no?
[2017-03-20 03:24:21] Farzad : DorianWhack-A-Moto: and satoshi owns more than 2-3 million BTC
[2017-03-20 03:24:43] DorianWhack-A-Moto : that he mined properly
[2017-03-20 03:24:54] DorianWhack-A-Moto : not fake created
[2017-03-20 03:25:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 98 @ 0.040800
[2017-03-20 03:25:08] Farzad : DorianWhack-A-Moto: are they still fake creating ?
[2017-03-20 03:25:33] Farzad : they created a pretty good coin, they deserve some compensation for that
[2017-03-20 03:25:44] DorianWhack-A-Moto : no but those 3 million dash are still out there
[2017-03-20 03:25:59] Farzad : I dont think market cares
[2017-03-20 03:26:07] datboiyuan : micmix: but with malleability don't you prevent 3rd party tx id malleability? Thus improving overall speed (fewer confirms)
[2017-03-20 03:26:24] DorianWhack-A-Moto : they should have destroyed them. bitcoin had a bug that let millions of extra coins get created and they were destroyed
[2017-03-20 03:26:41] datboiyuan : the dash instamine doesn't bother me
[2017-03-20 03:26:45] Rado : micmix: the big mistake was adding the limit in the first place
[2017-03-20 03:27:06] DorianWhack-A-Moto : instamine should not happen in a real PoW coin
[2017-03-20 03:27:31] datboiyuan : why
[2017-03-20 03:28:32] datboiyuan : the potential for centralization in DASH is what I don't like about it
[2017-03-20 03:28:48] DorianWhack-A-Moto : PoW = proof of work - instamine = instant coins. no difficulty adjustment
[2017-03-20 03:29:30] DorianWhack-A-Moto : i'll create a shitcoin and give myself 3 million at launch. think it'll beat dash?
[2017-03-20 03:29:32] Farzad : datboiyuan: how is DASH centralized ?
[2017-03-20 03:30:01] dodic : Why is BU pushing so hard to fork soon?
[2017-03-20 03:30:01] Farzad : DorianWhack-A-Moto: no, because it is shit. u create a great coin and give yourself 10 million, it will succeed.
[2017-03-20 03:30:26] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Farzad: I'll call my coin RASH. it will spread all over.
[2017-03-20 03:31:21] Farzad : /fork
[2017-03-20 03:31:22] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 788.90 (0.62%) Bitfinex BCU : 241.16 (6.99%) SLQ : 35 mins```
[2017-03-20 03:31:53] Rado : What are the percentages?
[2017-03-20 03:32:07] Farzad : change since last query
[2017-03-20 03:32:23] Rado : Thanks
[2017-03-20 03:32:39] Rado : /fork
[2017-03-20 03:32:39] Farzad : np
[2017-03-20 03:32:40] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 788.90 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 241.16 (0.00%) SLQ : 1 min, ```
[2017-03-20 03:32:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 1000 @ 1041.85
[2017-03-20 03:32:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 11 @ 1041.74
[2017-03-20 03:33:12] Farzad : @micmix u here ?
[2017-03-20 03:37:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 127 @ 0.040280
[2017-03-20 03:37:29] DoubleU : what is ETH doing
[2017-03-20 03:38:03] datboiyuan : Farzad: I'm not saying it is
[2017-03-20 03:38:10] datboiyuan : althoughbit may be
[2017-03-20 03:38:39] datboiyuan : i think as it becomes more and more expensive to run a MN, you have fewer people who can afford it
[2017-03-20 03:40:28] KingTuna : DoubleU: Dumping
[2017-03-20 03:40:39] Rado : DoubleU: ETH will come all the way down to 0.027-0.030
[2017-03-20 03:40:54] Farzad : datboiyuan: not true, master nodes gain 45% of mining coins. there is always competition for becoming a master node.
[2017-03-20 03:41:20] Farzad : datboiyuan: do u think 100K or 200K is anything when there is guaranteed returns ?
[2017-03-20 03:41:24] datboiyuan : Right but how many people can afford $100.000 nodes?
[2017-03-20 03:41:34] datboiyuan : yes
[2017-03-20 03:41:42] Farzad : thousands !
[2017-03-20 03:41:48] datboiyuan : right
[2017-03-20 03:41:50] j8 : lol @ guaranteed returns
[2017-03-20 03:42:01] datboiyuan : how many can afford $10k nodes
[2017-03-20 03:42:11] datboiyuan : hundres of thousdands
[2017-03-20 03:42:19] datboiyuan : ie, less centralized
[2017-03-20 03:42:33] Rado : j8: he means 45% guaranteed
[2017-03-20 03:42:35] Farzad : datboiyuan: do u know how many bitcoin nodes do we have ?
[2017-03-20 03:42:42] Farzad : and it is completely free
[2017-03-20 03:42:44] Rado : it might be $5
[2017-03-20 03:42:45] j8 : put in 100K dollars, get returns in dash.. what could go wrong
[2017-03-20 03:42:52] datboiyuan : i don't think there is an accurate count
[2017-03-20 03:42:55] Rado : Lol
[2017-03-20 03:42:59] Farzad : datboiyuan: there is
[2017-03-20 03:43:01] Rado : yeah
[2017-03-20 03:43:16] datboiyuan : theyre free of dollar cost sure
[2017-03-20 03:43:20] Farzad : master nodes have an incentive to run a full node
[2017-03-20 03:43:24] j8 : guaranteed returns are if you could short dash for less than 9% or whatever a year
[2017-03-20 03:43:25] datboiyuan : but not time cost or technical skill cost
[2017-03-20 03:43:36] Farzad : in bitcoin u have no incentive to run a full node
[2017-03-20 03:43:47] datboiyuan : privacy and consensus
[2017-03-20 03:43:54] Farzad : dont wonder if dash master nodes surpass bitcoins free nodes !
[2017-03-20 03:44:13] j8 : but if you can make 9% p.a. as a master node, why would you lend for less than that?
[2017-03-20 03:44:17] datboiyuan : the problem is any stupid fuck and drop $$ to run a MN
[2017-03-20 03:44:31] datboiyuan : in bitcoin it's not just about having $$
[2017-03-20 03:44:40] datboiyuan : so thank you for provinnmy point
[2017-03-20 03:45:11] Farzad : datboiyuan: what !? lol
[2017-03-20 03:45:37] Farzad : so less nodes are better or more nodes ?
[2017-03-20 03:45:44] needmoneyquick : why dont we work together and make our selves some money
[2017-03-20 03:45:49] datboiyuan : More are better
[2017-03-20 03:45:56] needmoneyquick : may as well help each other
[2017-03-20 03:46:14] datboiyuan : incentive and barrier is way off for DASH
[2017-03-20 03:46:26] datboiyuan : its aligned with capital greed
[2017-03-20 03:46:35] datboiyuan : which of course is great, don't get me wrong
[2017-03-20 03:46:46] datboiyuan : just != decentralization
[2017-03-20 03:47:43] Farzad : well, I am not a DASH expert, but I think the market has spoken
[2017-03-20 03:48:06] Farzad : DASH is 0.1 now. someday it may be >1 BTC
[2017-03-20 03:48:24] Farzad : DASH ETH XMR are the future I think
[2017-03-20 03:49:36] Farzad : capital is flowing from BTC into these coins
[2017-03-20 03:49:49] Farzad : and rightfully so
[2017-03-20 03:52:52] XXXX : DASH is as shit coin. I am long DASH since 0.03 but i think i will take my profits and short it after the next spike around 0.12
[2017-03-20 03:53:34] KingTuna : A 1434 BTC buy wall on ETH at Polo
[2017-03-20 03:53:56] KingTuna : oops Se;ll wall and gone
[2017-03-20 03:55:26] Farzad : Last 24h #bitcoin blocks have 43% for Unlimited and 8% for 8MB. CORE 1MB IS NOW A MINORITY. Good job, everyone working for improvements.
[2017-03-20 03:55:34] datboiyuan : Yes dash is worth a lot right now, yes it was a good trade, yes I own dash
[2017-03-20 03:55:47] datboiyuan : just think it's too likely to be centralized
[2017-03-20 03:56:25] Farzad : datboiyuan: I dont think anything stops u from running a full node in DASH
[2017-03-20 03:56:27] micmix : Farzad: sorry was afk
[2017-03-20 03:56:39] datboiyuan : Farzad: $$
[2017-03-20 03:56:46] datboiyuan : youbhave to have enough $$
[2017-03-20 03:56:55] Farzad : micmix: np, since u are in bot biz, do u have a funding bot in bitfinex ?
[2017-03-20 03:57:00] datboiyuan : the higher price goes, the fewer people can afford MN
[2017-03-20 03:57:19] micmix : Farzad: no, don't do funding, waste of capital
[2017-03-20 03:57:31] Farzad : micmix: really ? why ?
[2017-03-20 03:58:07] Farzad : micmix: if u want to hodl for long term, why not to do funding ?
[2017-03-20 03:58:28] micmix : Farzad: counterparty risk, not worth it imho
[2017-03-20 03:58:44] micmix : esp. for bitcoin
[2017-03-20 03:58:53] Farzad : counterparty risk ? can u elaborate plz ?
[2017-03-20 03:59:04] Farzad : u mean risk from investing in bitfinex ?
[2017-03-20 03:59:36] j8 : bitcoin rates are historically really low
[2017-03-20 04:00:08] micmix : remember finex hack? that's one kind of risk. polo doesn't guarantee return of your prinicipal
[2017-03-20 04:00:27] micmix : and as @j8 said, bitcoin rates are really low
[2017-03-20 04:01:02] Farzad : yes, I am funding XMR DSH and ETH
[2017-03-20 04:01:17] Farzad : BTC rates are so low !
[2017-03-20 04:01:45] Farzad : actually they are good now !
[2017-03-20 04:01:51] micmix : holding those coins is another kind of risk
[2017-03-20 04:02:03] Farzad : 0.036%/day
[2017-03-20 04:02:19] micmix : yeah, for a few days. average still very low
[2017-03-20 04:02:21] j8 : yeah you don't want to buy stuff to lend it just because the rate is high.. that means sentiment is bad
[2017-03-20 04:02:59] DorianWhack-A-Moto : /sentiment
[2017-03-20 04:03:02] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 23.14 / 76.86 Daily : 47.84 / 52.16 Weekly : 55.81 / 44.19 Monthly : 52.58 / 47.42```
[2017-03-20 04:03:04] Farzad : j8: true, I lend because I have decided to hodl not because of rate.
[2017-03-20 04:03:29] j8 : if you're already hodling and you accept the risks then yeah
[2017-03-20 04:04:12] Farzad : I was watching SEC conference while everyone was waiting for ETF decision
[2017-03-20 04:04:23] Farzad : and they provided some interesting stats
[2017-03-20 04:04:32] j8 : i find a lot of people are eager to get a tiny return with big unknown risks
[2017-03-20 04:04:49] Farzad : frequent traders earned much less than hodlers
[2017-03-20 04:06:23] j8 : i guess not that surprising since those markets do go up on average and trading is basically zero sum
[2017-03-20 04:07:15] Farzad : it has been true about BTC since 2 years ago
[2017-03-20 04:07:35] Farzad : my point is that if u think a coin has great future
[2017-03-20 04:07:47] Farzad : hodl it instead of trying to trade every up and down
[2017-03-20 04:07:52] micmix : Farzad: 'most' frequent traders earned much less than hodlers
[2017-03-20 04:08:16] j8 : yeah no doubt a few made a lot more
[2017-03-20 04:08:19] Farzad : micmix: right. most ;)
[2017-03-20 04:08:24] donsteep : also, strong selection bias there on an instrument that happened not to die
[2017-03-20 04:08:36] donsteep : sorry, survival bias I mean
[2017-03-20 04:08:52] Farzad : well, I prefer to put myself in most basket. lol
[2017-03-20 04:09:02] Farzad : unfortunately I am not one of the few :D
[2017-03-20 04:10:02] Farzad : and most of the people who think they are in "the few" basket, are those who will get REKT
[2017-03-20 04:10:49] micmix : survival bias is a problem in crypto, same as in stocks
[2017-03-20 04:11:32] Farzad : do u know when does bfx pay funding interests ? at the expiry ? or daily ?
[2017-03-20 04:11:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 6 @ 0.022116
[2017-03-20 04:12:16] BitMEX_John : Farzad: funding is paid at the end of every 8 hour funding period
[2017-03-20 04:12:36] micmix : j8: do you usually have all your coins hedged?
[2017-03-20 04:12:42] Farzad : BitMEX_John: Thank you john ! I was asking about Bitfinex funding interest :)
[2017-03-20 04:12:47] KingTuna : I have to say the ETH manipulation suggests it could make a run for 0.05..
[2017-03-20 04:13:00] BitMEX_John : Farzad: apologies, misread
[2017-03-20 04:13:44] Farzad : KingTuna: it is not manipulation, ETH is a great great coin
[2017-03-20 04:13:58] Farzad : smart money is moving into ETH
[2017-03-20 04:14:04] Farzad : leaving BTC
[2017-03-20 04:14:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `REP7D`: sell 399 @ 0.007600
[2017-03-20 04:14:52] Farzad : BTC has just a brand name advantage to other great coins
[2017-03-20 04:15:09] Farzad : if u go into technical details
[2017-03-20 04:15:15] j8 : micmix: these days i hedge around 80%, over the last couple years it was more like 40% on average
[2017-03-20 04:15:16] Farzad : BTC is old and rusty
[2017-03-20 04:15:40] KingTuna : Farzad: I agree.. Im not suggesting it's not a great coin. However, It is being manipulated on Polo pretty well. Don't forget it is whales that create volume and movement
[2017-03-20 04:16:08] j8 : kind of want to hedge 100% though
[2017-03-20 04:16:51] Rado : j8: did you make a buck on China and west becoming same price?
[2017-03-20 04:17:25] Rado : j8: how do you protect against ADL?
[2017-03-20 04:17:33] j8 : definitely. i usually start exiting a bit early though @Rado
[2017-03-20 04:17:43] Rado : Great
[2017-03-20 04:17:50] Rado : early is the way
[2017-03-20 04:17:55] j8 : well on the ETF day i got hit hard by ADL
[2017-03-20 04:18:19] XXXX : Everything is manipulation. Thats how money is made. And lose. I dont think ETH fundamentals imoroved 300% since ETF decision. So it is not the technology but hype speculation and manipulation. Go with he flow and make money. Just dont be a bagholder.
[2017-03-20 04:18:22] j8 : everything closed above 1200
[2017-03-20 04:18:23] Rado : What do you do in that case?
[2017-03-20 04:18:32] j8 : took a loss getting back in
[2017-03-20 04:18:55] Rado : Right
[2017-03-20 04:19:08] Rado : we have to figure out a way
[2017-03-20 04:19:11] j8 : people that held on to a losing position did ok
[2017-03-20 04:19:26] Rado : maybe a bit that will get in immediately if ADLed
[2017-03-20 04:19:42] Rado : Bit=bot
[2017-03-20 04:19:46] j8 : yeah not hard to do
[2017-03-20 04:19:53] Rado : Yep
[2017-03-20 04:22:17] micmix : j8: yeah, 100% hedge for a few month seems like a good way to go
[2017-03-20 04:23:42] j8 : it's a bit crazy to be this high given everything going on
[2017-03-20 04:24:55] DorianWhack-A-Moto : we are edging closer to a coin split everyday. soon 900 will seem high.
[2017-03-20 04:25:56] XXXX : HF or nit we will see 600ish before things turn around.
[2017-03-20 04:27:59] Rado : DorianWhack-A-Moto: ETH is at all time high after it did coin split
[2017-03-20 04:28:23] Rado : don't assume you know what will happen
[2017-03-20 04:28:36] DorianWhack-A-Moto : yeah and how long ago did the coin split happen?
[2017-03-20 04:29:00] Rado : DorianWhack-A-Moto: nothing in markets happen the same way
[2017-03-20 04:29:09] Rado : soecially if everyone expects it
[2017-03-20 04:29:25] XXXX : ETH also dipped till the coin split
[2017-03-20 04:29:26] DorianWhack-A-Moto : bitcoin split is much worse than eth. we are talking about a complete re-branding of what is known as bitcoin
[2017-03-20 04:29:51] DorianWhack-A-Moto : much larger market cap
[2017-03-20 04:29:56] DorianWhack-A-Moto : much larger coin
[2017-03-20 04:31:20] micmix : I'm looking forward to holding bitcoin classic, bitcoin segwit and bitcoin unlimited
[2017-03-20 04:31:58] micmix : triple my bitcoin holdings in a week lol
[2017-03-20 04:32:45] XXXX : Yup at 2nd 3rd and 4th on coinmarketcap
[2017-03-20 04:32:49] DorianWhack-A-Moto : what about bitcoin-lite? only 1% bitcoin
[2017-03-20 04:32:55] DorianWhack-A-Moto : and NO sugar
[2017-03-20 04:33:07] micmix : bitcoin segwit needs better brand than 'bitcoin core'. maybe 'bitcoin witted' or 'smart bitcoin'?
[2017-03-20 04:34:05] XXXX : There is nothing wrong with bitcoin segwit. Except attachment to bkockstream.
[2017-03-20 04:34:06] dodic : witless
[2017-03-20 04:34:10] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Go to store. See "bitcoin accepted here" sticker, try to pay "sorry we don't accept THAT bitcoin".
[2017-03-20 04:34:30] DorianWhack-A-Moto : huge problems coming.
[2017-03-20 04:37:24] micmix : yeah, need a sign 'we accept 2 of 3 kinds of bitcoin. guess which two?"
[2017-03-20 04:38:04] Rado : DorianWhack-A-Moto: you can exchange it online in 1 sec
[2017-03-20 04:38:20] rapidtrades : price are crazy high considering the risks
[2017-03-20 04:38:28] rapidtrades : too many dumb money seems to have netered past few months
[2017-03-20 04:38:33] Rado : right now USD are not accepted in Thailand, but good luck exchanging at a good rate
[2017-03-20 04:39:07] KingTuna : Anyone been to Taiwan? May head there with some of my recent profits over Easter for 1 week. I been to most other Asian destinations
[2017-03-20 04:40:27] XXXX : Rado: what? superrich thailand gives excellent rates on usd conversions.
[2017-03-20 04:40:47] DorianWhack-A-Moto : KingTuna: i thought you were going to vegas?
[2017-03-20 04:41:45] KingTuna : DorianWhack-A-Moto: haha good memory... But then flight prices went through the roof overnight... Still tossing p between a few destinations
[2017-03-20 04:42:10] DorianWhack-A-Moto : KingTuna: good memory? you said it like 12 hours ago
[2017-03-20 04:42:20] rapidtrades : looks like we topped out in bitcoin
[2017-03-20 04:42:32] DorianWhack-A-Moto : if it was 48 hours i would have forgotten lol
[2017-03-20 04:43:03] KingTuna : DorianWhack-A-Moto: Ah yes lol Well I guess my username is quite distinct lol
[2017-03-20 04:43:18] DorianWhack-A-Moto : yeah tuna is something that sticks out
[2017-03-20 04:43:38] DorianWhack-A-Moto : beware the fish man
[2017-03-20 04:43:40] DorianWhack-A-Moto : lol
[2017-03-20 04:44:54] KingTuna : hahaha
[2017-03-20 04:46:49] micmix : maybe I'll make Bitcoin Ultimate with 32mb blocks, segwit, smart contracts from rootstock, and privacy features from mimblewimble. if we're going for a split, let's split to something epic! @j8 @Rado @Farzad
[2017-03-20 04:47:15] Farzad : micmix: cool ! plz let us instamine it :D
[2017-03-20 04:47:27] Rado : micmix: I am in if you need help
[2017-03-20 04:47:35] micmix : 20% of mined coins goes to developers lol
[2017-03-20 04:47:48] Farzad : lol nice
[2017-03-20 04:47:50] Farzad : I am in
[2017-03-20 04:48:25] j8 : yes and bitmex can ICO it
[2017-03-20 04:48:45] j8 : while we insider trade it
[2017-03-20 04:48:56] Farzad : /fork
[2017-03-20 04:48:57] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 804.99 (2.04%) Bitfinex BCU : 245.85 (1.94%) SLQ : 1 hour, 16 mins```
[2017-03-20 04:48:59] DorianWhack-A-Moto : micmix: call it bitcoin-mit-mex
[2017-03-20 04:49:05] Farzad : I am tempted to but BCU :D
[2017-03-20 04:49:08] Farzad : buy *
[2017-03-20 04:49:40] Farzad : very likely for fork to happen :D
[2017-03-20 04:50:24] j8 : we gave you some good reasons not to but feel free
[2017-03-20 04:53:40] elmorte : /fork
[2017-03-20 04:53:41] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 804.99 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 245.85 (0.00%) SLQ : 4 mins```
[2017-03-20 05:00:30] Rado : ETH easy short over 0.040
[2017-03-20 05:01:13] rapidtrades : stop shorting altcoins dummies
[2017-03-20 05:01:36] Rado : rapidtrades: the base around 1000 worked and took BTC to 1050
[2017-03-20 05:01:43] Rado : now very slow and painful
[2017-03-20 05:02:04] rapidtrades : there's no base around 1k
[2017-03-20 05:02:04] Rado : rapidtrades: alt coins are the best to short
[2017-03-20 05:02:22] Rado : rapidtrades: there was for a few hours
[2017-03-20 05:02:48] DorianWhack-A-Moto : bitcoin is the best to short right now
[2017-03-20 05:02:59] Rado : Most alt coins will slowly come down
[2017-03-20 05:03:05] rapidtrades : +1
[2017-03-20 05:03:18] rapidtrades : ^ that was for dorian not u rado
[2017-03-20 05:03:33] rapidtrades : ur clueless
[2017-03-20 05:06:13] Rado : rapidtrades: thanks, that means a lot coming from you
[2017-03-20 05:14:56] laisee : Rapitrades is getting soft
[2017-03-20 05:15:09] micmix : zec is going to be long of the century
[2017-03-20 05:15:26] micmix : or at least long of the year
[2017-03-20 05:15:41] micmix : not sure what year though lol
[2017-03-20 05:15:56] j8 : last year was pretty good for zec
[2017-03-20 05:16:23] laisee : zec had a very good 15 mins of fame
[2017-03-20 05:16:32] elmorte : lol
[2017-03-20 05:16:35] micmix : yeah, that was nice pre-launch long. I'm waiting for post-launch long
[2017-03-20 05:17:12] laisee : Longing for a longer lomg?
[2017-03-20 05:17:26] micmix : laisee: nice one :+1:
[2017-03-20 05:18:36] laisee : best jikeson a momfay @micmix
[2017-03-20 05:18:58] j8 : last week i went alt shopping, bought 1 btc each of stuff that wasn't pumping and isn't complete garbage, they all went up at least 30% in btc
[2017-03-20 05:19:04] soubriquet : hey, is there an engineer or acct rep on?
[2017-03-20 05:19:15] j8 : zec doubled
[2017-03-20 05:19:51] DorianWhack-A-Moto : anyone heard of PIVX?
[2017-03-20 05:20:00] soubriquet : wondering why my orders were cancelled as spam submissions
[2017-03-20 05:20:27] soubriquet : now new orders are showing 0 display regardless of hidden box being checked
[2017-03-20 05:20:44] soubriquet : and I don't want to pay taker fee unnecessarily
[2017-03-20 05:20:51] j8 : you're only allowed so many tiny orders then they're hidden
[2017-03-20 05:21:11] soubriquet : is there documentation about that anywhere?
[2017-03-20 05:21:12] j8 : because otherwise people clog up the orderbook with 1's
[2017-03-20 05:22:12] soubriquet : just wondering what the specs are since it's the first I've heard of it
[2017-03-20 05:22:38] soubriquet : this was like 5 orders, not like 100
[2017-03-20 05:22:55] j8 : https://blog.bitmex.com/notice-regarding-spam-orders/
[2017-03-20 05:23:58] j8 : not sure if it's in the references somewhere, kind of a small detail.
[2017-03-20 05:24:20] j8 : and you can have as many as you want if they're greater than 0.01 btc
[2017-03-20 05:25:48] soubriquet : I see 1s in the orderbook all the time...but still no indication of what constitutes "a lot"
[2017-03-20 05:26:43] j8 : probably 5
[2017-03-20 05:27:11] micmix : you can have 4, more than that and your account is marked as 'spammer'
[2017-03-20 05:27:31] micmix : and all small orders will become hidden by default from now on
[2017-03-20 05:27:37] j8 : ^ expert spammer right here
[2017-03-20 05:27:57] micmix : yep, had to ask for my account to be unblocked on testnet lol
[2017-03-20 05:28:29] j8 : spamming testnet, that's next level
[2017-03-20 05:28:56] micmix : love this trollbox, only place to joke about this stuff. my friends and relatives have no idea what we do
[2017-03-20 05:29:08] soubriquet : well that's lame...if you're going to penalize people, you should publicize what constitutes an offense before you punish them for it
[2017-03-20 05:29:11] j8 : hah yeah likewise
[2017-03-20 05:30:27] micmix : I can imagine this conversation with my parents: "what did you do this weekend?" - "not much, did some shopping, traded $10m in cryptocurrency derivatives" - "???"
[2017-03-20 05:32:01] j8 : no kidding, best to just leave that part out lol
[2017-03-20 05:32:42] micmix : yeah, I know lol
[2017-03-20 05:33:37] Farzad : micmix: now u r on a list. lol
[2017-03-20 05:34:04] micmix : what list?
[2017-03-20 05:34:53] Farzad : micmix: your country taxing agency :D
[2017-03-20 05:35:09] Farzad : want to get that $10m trading tax
[2017-03-20 05:35:43] j8 : 10m volume is not 10m profit unfortunately
[2017-03-20 05:36:41] micmix : I've been on that list for a long time, been reporting crypto profits since 2014
[2017-03-20 05:36:56] micmix : I pay taxes and sleep well ;-)
[2017-03-20 05:39:13] j8 : that must be a thick tax return
[2017-03-20 05:40:15] j8 : or you can aggregate a lot of it?
[2017-03-20 05:43:55] micmix : I do weekly pnl for tax return
[2017-03-20 05:46:31] KingTuna : Is anyone getting the impression the alts are tiring and potentially seeing the end of the bubble (or at least end of first round before some down) or lots more to come?
[2017-03-20 05:47:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 7590 @ 1037.62
[2017-03-20 05:48:10] DorianWhack-A-Moto : going down
[2017-03-20 05:48:30] DorianWhack-A-Moto : red candles look pretty
[2017-03-20 05:50:00] DorianWhack-A-Moto : /sentiment
[2017-03-20 05:50:02] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 61.83 / 38.17 Daily : 48.01 / 51.99 Weekly : 55.89 / 44.11 Monthly : 52.60 / 47.41```
[2017-03-20 05:52:15] DorianWhack-A-Moto : /price
[2017-03-20 05:52:17] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1028.52 (-0.72%) Bitfinex : 1028.20 (-1.04%) The Woodchipper : 1042.21 (-0.17%) itBit : 1031.87 (-0.45%) Kraken : 1006.23 (-2.68%) GDAX : 1030.00 (-0.99%) SLQ : 3 hours, 16 mins```
[2017-03-20 05:52:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 8300 @ 1034.96
[2017-03-20 05:53:22] ThruTheFloor : Support holding, might bounce
[2017-03-20 05:54:10] frog : from the strong 1030 support base?
[2017-03-20 05:55:24] ThruTheFloor : From the lows since the short-term bull trend started
[2017-03-20 05:55:35] frog : ok
[2017-03-20 05:56:07] DorianWhack-A-Moto : i think its about to bounce down
[2017-03-20 05:56:16] frog : me too
[2017-03-20 05:56:25] startChat : lets do it
[2017-03-20 05:56:26] startChat : 500
[2017-03-20 05:57:28] ThruTheFloor : Could be, 1h MACD is breaking down and we only made it half way thru the channel
[2017-03-20 05:57:44] frog : not much volume though
[2017-03-20 05:57:55] ThruTheFloor : That usually means down but I'ma wait before picking a side
[2017-03-20 06:00:05] freact : ThruTheFloor: I'm new to trading. What do you mean by "we only made it half way thru the channel"
[2017-03-20 06:00:44] startChat : /tradingguide
[2017-03-20 06:01:23] ThruTheFloor : freact: We were in a channel 1030-1045, we only made it to 1037, not bouncing off the top. But I'm pretty new to this too, do some research before gambling on here.
[2017-03-20 06:02:31] freact : ThruTheFloor: oh I see what you mean! thanks! I'm just trying to learn the basics with some play money I don't mind losing
[2017-03-20 06:03:55] ThruTheFloor : freact: Try going thru this to learn some basics: http://www.babypips.com/school, also watch some risk management videos on youtube, someone also recommended the Ed Ponsi ForEx guide
[2017-03-20 06:04:58] freact : ah yeah I saw that the other day. been trying to read a lot of articles etc too
[2017-03-20 06:05:19] DorianWhack-A-Moto : buy the dips doesn't apply to this irrational market. trade with caution
[2017-03-20 06:05:32] DorianWhack-A-Moto : short the tops is a better strategy
[2017-03-20 06:05:56] freact : yeah I had a near miss buying the dips yesterday
[2017-03-20 06:06:08] freact : trying the opposite today
[2017-03-20 06:06:35] DorianWhack-A-Moto : i feel anything over 1000 is too high while the hf drama looms.
[2017-03-20 06:07:11] freact : makes sense. I saw some charts someone posted here predicting as low as 800 using fibonacci
[2017-03-20 06:07:18] DorianWhack-A-Moto : keep my shorts covered well over 1100 and there is no chance of rekt
[2017-03-20 06:08:09] freact : hard to trust troll box advice though becuase we are playing against each other here ;)
[2017-03-20 06:08:44] DorianWhack-A-Moto : true. assume everything i say is a lie.
[2017-03-20 06:08:58] freact : lol
[2017-03-20 06:09:01] frog : i assume 50% of what u say is a lie
[2017-03-20 06:09:15] DorianWhack-A-Moto : you have to guess which 50% is the truth then lol
[2017-03-20 06:09:55] frog : exactly
[2017-03-20 06:10:03] ThruTheFloor : Down it is
[2017-03-20 06:10:04] DorianWhack-A-Moto : 1 HOUR PSAR alert just triggered downtrend confirmed
[2017-03-20 06:10:47] DorianWhack-A-Moto : thats what my phone says. i dont know what that means.
[2017-03-20 06:10:55] DorianWhack-A-Moto : ;)
[2017-03-20 06:11:25] freact : now we just have to figure out if that's the 50% truth!
[2017-03-20 06:12:18] DorianWhack-A-Moto : /price
[2017-03-20 06:12:21] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1021.84 (-0.65%) Bitfinex : 1022.30 (-0.57%) The Woodchipper : 1036.54 (-0.54%) itBit : 1031.87 (0.00%) Kraken : 1006.25 (0.00%) GDAX : 1022.82 (-0.70%) SLQ : 20 mins```
[2017-03-20 06:12:52] ThruTheFloor : It's not breaking down
[2017-03-20 06:12:57] ThruTheFloor : I feel betrayed
[2017-03-20 06:13:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 196 @ 0.042450
[2017-03-20 06:15:37] DorianWhack-A-Moto : ThruTheFloor: you dont call this breaking down?
[2017-03-20 06:15:59] ThruTheFloor : We've barely moved down by 5
[2017-03-20 06:16:15] ThruTheFloor : There's no volume
[2017-03-20 06:16:17] DorianWhack-A-Moto : 16 down from my short
[2017-03-20 06:16:22] DorianWhack-A-Moto : so yes its down
[2017-03-20 06:16:40] ThruTheFloor : It could easily retest the support and end up breaking upwards
[2017-03-20 06:17:02] DorianWhack-A-Moto : maybe. i'll take profit before that happens
[2017-03-20 06:17:14] DorianWhack-A-Moto : /price
[2017-03-20 06:17:17] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1020.00 (-0.18%) Bitfinex : 1020.00 (-0.22%) The Woodchipper : 1033.42 (-0.30%) itBit : 1020.05 (-1.15%) Kraken : 1002.59 (-0.36%) GDAX : 1021.40 (-0.14%) SLQ : 4 mins```
[2017-03-20 06:17:25] ThruTheFloor : DorianWhack-A-Moto: What's your entry?
[2017-03-20 06:17:31] DorianWhack-A-Moto : 1039
[2017-03-20 06:17:42] ThruTheFloor : Why did you choose 1039 to short?
[2017-03-20 06:17:48] DorianWhack-A-Moto : liq'd at 1173. im safe
[2017-03-20 06:18:08] DorianWhack-A-Moto : i've been scalping all day.
[2017-03-20 06:18:25] DorianWhack-A-Moto : i choose based on what i feel is too high
[2017-03-20 06:18:29] ThruTheFloor : Wouldn't you close the short long before then once you see it's not gonna happen?
[2017-03-20 06:18:50] DorianWhack-A-Moto : yes i'll take profit soon and re-enter another when price settles
[2017-03-20 06:18:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 450 @ 1024.33
[2017-03-20 06:18:57] freact : do you guys know how to calc your liquidation price given entry and lverage? like whats the formula?
[2017-03-20 06:19:10] DorianWhack-A-Moto : /price
[2017-03-20 06:19:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 50 @ 1022.00
[2017-03-20 06:19:12] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1013.39 (-0.65%) Bitfinex : 1012.20 (-0.76%) The Woodchipper : 1031.00 (-0.23%) itBit : 1016.26 (-0.37%) Kraken : 1002.00 (-0.06%) GDAX : 1015.00 (-0.63%) SLQ : 1 min, ```
[2017-03-20 06:19:25] BitMEX_John : freact: there is a tab in the calculator tool for this
[2017-03-20 06:19:39] needmoneyquick : pump fct please
[2017-03-20 06:19:51] BitMEX_John : freact: just click on the calculator symbol in the top right hand corner of the trade page and go to the 'Liquidation' tab
[2017-03-20 06:20:07] freact : BitMEX_John: yeah, i'd still like to know the formula for my own calculations though
[2017-03-20 06:20:51] BitMEX_John : freact: sure, it relates to your maintenance margin requirement and position value
[2017-03-20 06:21:12] DorianWhack-A-Moto : still room to go down
[2017-03-20 06:21:24] DorianWhack-A-Moto : probably bounce off 100 if we get that low
[2017-03-20 06:21:27] BitMEX_John : freact: there are a few different maintenance margin requirements depending on contract
[2017-03-20 06:21:29] DorianWhack-A-Moto : 1000
[2017-03-20 06:22:37] ThruTheFloor : Looks like we're stalling already
[2017-03-20 06:22:47] DorianWhack-A-Moto : ok i closed. nice dip and nice profit
[2017-03-20 06:23:00] DorianWhack-A-Moto : need to go deal with IRL. re-enter later and play again.
[2017-03-20 06:23:08] frog : nice
[2017-03-20 06:23:25] DorianWhack-A-Moto : its a shorters market right now. be careful bulls. laters.
[2017-03-20 06:23:40] ThruTheFloor : Later
[2017-03-20 06:24:46] BitMEX_John : freact: if you go to the contract specification for the contract you are trading it has maintenance margin formula in there
[2017-03-20 06:25:02] freact : BitMEX_John: ok thanks
[2017-03-20 06:25:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 132 @ 0.105491
[2017-03-20 06:26:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2000 @ 1024.02
[2017-03-20 06:29:43] Farzad : /fork
[2017-03-20 06:29:43] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 775.34 (-3.68%) Bitfinex BCU : 240.82 (-2.05%) SLQ : 1 hour, 36 mins```
[2017-03-20 06:31:39] Rado : Anyone know how are the tokens traded on Bitfinex?
[2017-03-20 06:31:40] ThruTheFloor : I really don't follow the fork drama, is it happening or not, should I be worried?
[2017-03-20 06:31:59] Rado : Is it similar to BFX token?
[2017-03-20 06:32:35] j8 : similar in that it's a token you can buy and sell, completely different otherwise
[2017-03-20 06:33:24] XXXX : Farzad: bcu/bcc ratio woulld be more meaningful
[2017-03-20 06:34:31] Rado : j8: and there is no shorting right?
[2017-03-20 06:34:38] Rado : XXXX: agreed
[2017-03-20 06:34:39] j8 : right
[2017-03-20 06:34:55] j8 : but everyone with btc has the ability to create tokens
[2017-03-20 06:35:25] Rado : j8: create?
[2017-03-20 06:35:50] Rado : you mean exchanges or People buying the tokens
[2017-03-20 06:36:04] j8 : with 1 btc you can create 1 bcc + 1 bcu on bitfinex platform
[2017-03-20 06:36:18] XXXX : j8: but can bet or buy sell the split coins before the split.
[2017-03-20 06:36:20] j8 : then sell one, etc
[2017-03-20 06:36:39] Rado : I see
[2017-03-20 06:36:51] Rado : that's cool actually
[2017-03-20 06:37:09] j8 : so the price of the two tokens should add up to the btc price on bitfinex
[2017-03-20 06:37:14] j8 : or it will get arbed
[2017-03-20 06:37:27] j8 : because you can combine them and get 1 btc back
[2017-03-20 06:37:39] Rado : Make sense
[2017-03-20 06:38:37] j8 : definitely take a close look at the terms if you're gonna get involved, there's some gotchas in there
[2017-03-20 06:39:28] alejandromasari : xmr is gonna rip huge
[2017-03-20 06:39:42] alejandromasari : last chance..........
[2017-03-20 06:42:14] ThruTheFloor : alejandromasari: Get out scammer
[2017-03-20 06:44:49] startChat : combination is like a december 31 future
[2017-03-20 06:45:25] Rado : alejandromasari: get lost
[2017-03-20 06:48:27] j8 : startChat: yeah but with no leverage, can't short, you can only sell present day btc
[2017-03-20 06:50:11] alejandromasari : huge volume on xmr
[2017-03-20 06:53:30] Farzad : alejandromasari: where ? I see no volume on xmr
[2017-03-20 06:54:03] Farzad : /fork
[2017-03-20 06:54:04] trollbot : ``` Bitfinex BCC : 775.34 (0.00%) Bitfinex BCU : 240.82 (0.00%) SLQ : 24 mins```
[2017-03-20 06:59:05] KingTuna : ETH firing. Ready for ATH?
[2017-03-20 07:01:18] alejandromasari : Farzad: recent trades
[2017-03-20 07:01:24] alejandromasari : 200, 100, 200
[2017-03-20 07:15:45] arbitrage101 : nice
[2017-03-20 07:15:58] arbitrage101 : reading chat here has always been enlightening
[2017-03-20 07:16:15] arbitrage101 : IQ and knowledge go up again
[2017-03-20 07:18:30] freact : seems like pretty strong support at this level eh?
[2017-03-20 07:20:54] alejandromasari : xmr moving
[2017-03-20 07:20:56] alejandromasari : told ya
[2017-03-20 07:22:52] elmorte : arbitrage101: yeah, today was good
[2017-03-20 07:23:07] elmorte : Users < 1000, maybe that's why
[2017-03-20 07:23:59] arbitrage101 : elmorte: how things go
[2017-03-20 07:24:03] arbitrage101 : business wise
[2017-03-20 07:24:05] arbitrage101 : in kl
[2017-03-20 07:25:09] elmorte : It's alright, KL not really my market, export to Europe
[2017-03-20 07:26:16] arbitrage101 : you mean export Malaysia products?
[2017-03-20 07:27:34] elmorte : Some, like palm oil and latex
[2017-03-20 07:27:39] elmorte : But mostly China
[2017-03-20 07:28:07] zylaale9205 : sir after placing order how to close the position
[2017-03-20 07:28:45] alejandromasari : xmr anyone?
[2017-03-20 07:28:47] alejandromasari : moving big
[2017-03-20 07:29:09] arbitrage101 : elmorte: nice, must have an extensive network here
[2017-03-20 07:29:11] elmorte : zylaale9205: sell if you bought, or vice versa
[2017-03-20 07:29:31] elmorte : arbitrage101: 18 yrs and counting
[2017-03-20 07:29:50] arbitrage101 : elmorte: i rarely socialize here
[2017-03-20 07:29:59] arbitrage101 : since most people dont even understand what i do
[2017-03-20 07:30:24] arbitrage101 : plus, people in malaysia are a bit outdated
[2017-03-20 07:30:38] arbitrage101 : wont know how to start a normal conversation
[2017-03-20 07:30:46] elmorte : I have a lot of friends who are in 'finance'... no one knows wth they do
[2017-03-20 07:31:04] arbitrage101 : finance market here is not that well developed
[2017-03-20 07:31:35] arbitrage101 : when they said finance, they probably mean stock trading or property speculating
[2017-03-20 07:31:39] zylaale9205 : what is close order at market
[2017-03-20 07:32:27] freact : zylaale9205: gets the best price for it from the orderbook
[2017-03-20 07:32:29] elmorte : arbitrage101: prob
[2017-03-20 07:32:53] elmorte : zylaale9205: you want to avoid that unless it's an emergency
[2017-03-20 07:33:06] arbitrage101 : people who are into property have done extremely well in the last 5-10 years
[2017-03-20 07:33:19] Actualiteit : /wall
[2017-03-20 07:33:35] arbitrage101 : can probably retire if they sold or rented for longer than 5 years
[2017-03-20 07:42:02] Tux26 : /price
[2017-03-20 07:42:06] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1023.00 (0.00%) Bitfinex : 1026.20 (0.00%) The Woodchipper : 1035.80 (0.00%) itBit : 1020.35 (0.00%) Kraken : 999.34 (0.00%) GDAX : 1025.00 (0.00%) SLQ : < 1 min```
[2017-03-20 07:54:18] ThruTheFloor : 1100 next stop?
[2017-03-20 07:55:50] micmix : $110 you mean?
[2017-03-20 07:56:16] Actualiteit : $11 you mean?
[2017-03-20 07:56:42] freact : now now. lets just split the difference. I could go for a nice round 500
[2017-03-20 07:56:59] micmix : maybe we should switch to pricing everything in zec
[2017-03-20 07:58:30] arbitrage101 : micmix: i second that
[2017-03-20 07:58:42] arbitrage101 : have a small stash of zec
[2017-03-20 07:58:49] arbitrage101 : think price now is a good buy?
[2017-03-20 07:59:31] micmix : who knows
[2017-03-20 07:59:46] zylaale9205 : in perpetual swap i can hold the position how long
[2017-03-20 07:59:51] arbitrage101 : dont like buying things after a huge run up
[2017-03-20 08:00:52] micmix : zec didn't have a huge run up yet, 2.5x from ico
[2017-03-20 08:00:59] RoftheN : ICO?
[2017-03-20 08:01:14] micmix : initial coin offering
[2017-03-20 08:01:22] RoftheN : Zec had ICO?
[2017-03-20 08:01:32] micmix : yes
[2017-03-20 08:01:33] RoftheN : But it launched with mining right
[2017-03-20 08:01:39] RoftheN : Oh yuo mean the 20% that goes to the dev
[2017-03-20 08:01:46] RoftheN : And investors
[2017-03-20 08:01:50] micmix : you could invest before release
[2017-03-20 08:02:00] micmix : yes
[2017-03-20 08:02:45] RoftheN : But the inflation is still far too high, I think it won't go up much more, the halving is years away
[2017-03-20 08:03:20] micmix : if it doesn't die
[2017-03-20 08:04:42] zylaale9205 : in perpetual swap i can hold the position how long
[2017-03-20 08:05:20] j8 : perpetually
[2017-03-20 08:05:23] newchar : lol
[2017-03-20 08:05:33] arbitrage101 : zcash lead is making a name for himself
[2017-03-20 08:05:41] arbitrage101 : involved in more cryotp
[2017-03-20 08:05:48] micmix : zylaale9205: as long as you want, until you're are liquidated or adl'd
[2017-03-20 08:06:03] arbitrage101 : might pump hard if he becomes more visible in the crypto scene
[2017-03-20 08:15:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2400 @ 1024.10
[2017-03-20 08:20:10] NukeLaloosh : arbitrage101, elmorte : I gotta get to KL at some point
[2017-03-20 08:20:26] arbitrage101 : NukeLaloosh: where are you located
[2017-03-20 08:20:33] arbitrage101 : kl is a shit place for vacation
[2017-03-20 08:20:54] NukeLaloosh : saigon
[2017-03-20 08:21:08] arbitrage101 : o
[2017-03-20 08:21:15] arbitrage101 : can introduce any viet girl