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<< >> English 中文 Русский 한국어 日本語 Español Français [2017-03-19 20:24:49] rangle : for ETH? they keep waffling on POS [2017-03-19 20:25:00] sleger : j8: no, but bitcoin can hard fork too [2017-03-19 20:25:05] sleger : 21m can change [2017-03-19 20:25:40] needmoneyquick : any tips to help make profits here? [2017-03-19 20:25:49] sleger : dont short eth ? [2017-03-19 20:25:58] j8 : it can but the fixed limit is so central to bitcoin that that would be rejected [2017-03-19 20:26:22] j8 : it's a big selling point for bitcoin. [2017-03-19 20:26:23] Dynamix : June down :D [2017-03-19 20:26:23] sleger : j8: eth will likely have a 3% inflation rate than you can get yourself by staking [2017-03-19 20:26:30] sleger : so its kind of fixed too in that sense [2017-03-19 20:26:58] needmoneyquick : sleger: I know dumb move [2017-03-19 20:27:56] Dynamix : /price [2017-03-19 20:27:59] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1038.32 (-2.01%) Bitfinex : 1041.80 (-1.46%) The Woodchipper : 1050.15 (-1.15%) itBit : 1041.17 (-1.31%) Kraken : 1018.99 (-0.49%) GDAX : 1050.44 (-0.93%) SLQ : 59 mins``` [2017-03-19 20:28:11] sleger : /joke [2017-03-19 20:28:11] sleger : /joke [2017-03-19 20:28:27] j8 : whats the biggest marketcap PoS coin these days [2017-03-19 20:28:29] sleger : Fking farzad dumbass !!! [2017-03-19 20:28:48] rangle : /joke [2017-03-19 20:28:48] trollbot : ``` Give a man a gun, he'll rob a bank Teach a man to run a bank, he'll rob the American people.``` [2017-03-19 20:29:00] rangle : lol [2017-03-19 20:29:14] sleger : ADMINS, if this idiot Farzad can ban me for no reason then I dont want to see any of his stupid bot writes [2017-03-19 20:29:23] sleger : j8: dash ? [2017-03-19 20:29:40] j8 : dash still has miners [2017-03-19 20:29:48] sleger : Tezos will be another big one coming with built in governance [2017-03-19 20:30:19] needmoneyquick : dcr is future [2017-03-19 20:30:21] j8 : only second level type stuff is done by dash masternodes [2017-03-19 20:30:22] needmoneyquick : I think? [2017-03-19 20:30:38] sleger : j8: ok i didnt look too much into it, just shorting it [2017-03-19 20:30:51] sleger : needmoneyquick: whats that shitcoin dcr? [2017-03-19 20:31:32] needmoneyquick : looks good to me. Built in goverance [2017-03-19 20:31:51] rangle : decred [2017-03-19 20:31:53] sleger : built in governance plus smart contract is Tezos stuff [2017-03-19 20:32:04] sleger : definitely will be bigger than existing shitcoins [2017-03-19 20:32:28] sleger : they got institutional investments from hedge funds, lots of dev, they do the ICO once they are ready to go live, no scam etc... [2017-03-19 20:32:38] ronensinger : sleger: Long time no see [2017-03-19 20:32:52] sleger : ronensinger: sun is shining ? [2017-03-19 20:33:06] ronensinger : sleger: Water is wet [2017-03-19 20:33:24] sleger : so get girls around me [2017-03-19 20:33:28] ronensinger : Making money? [2017-03-19 20:33:41] sleger : i was long a ton of ethusd, so ... pretty good [2017-03-19 20:33:49] sleger : 7 figures YTF [2017-03-19 20:33:52] sleger : YTD [2017-03-19 20:33:55] ronensinger : sleger: Took a three week break. Now I'm back [2017-03-19 20:34:05] ronensinger : Nice job man [2017-03-19 20:34:13] sleger : quite happy yes [2017-03-19 20:34:15] ronensinger : If I were you, I'd hire a shit ton of hookers and blackjack [2017-03-19 20:34:30] sleger : to lose it all ? [2017-03-19 20:34:34] ronensinger : After all, that's what money is for [2017-03-19 20:34:55] sleger : nooooo, it's made to make more baby monies [2017-03-19 20:35:06] sleger : money does reproduce [2017-03-19 20:35:12] ronensinger : sleger: True. Are you cream-white-ox on the leaderboard? [2017-03-19 20:35:42] sleger : i've never answered any question re the leaderboard except that im on the top one [2017-03-19 20:36:00] ronensinger : *confirmed* [2017-03-19 20:36:23] Winklevoss : Leaderboard link please [2017-03-19 20:36:32] sleger : leaderboard.org [2017-03-19 20:36:45] rangle : https://www.bitmex.com/app/leaderboard [2017-03-19 20:36:53] ronensinger : Time to get ready to trade some fx [2017-03-19 20:37:24] j8 : somebody made out big this week [2017-03-19 20:37:52] needmoneyquick : whats up with dash td? [2017-03-19 20:40:04] sleger : td ? [2017-03-19 20:40:18] cmwprice : /sentiment [2017-03-19 20:40:20] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 63.51 / 36.49 Daily : 49.04 / 50.96 Weekly : 55.93 / 44.08 Monthly : 52.60 / 47.40``` [2017-03-19 20:42:04] needmoneyquick : today [2017-03-19 20:42:49] sleger : nothing [2017-03-19 20:42:53] sleger : its mostly down not up [2017-03-19 20:47:27] ronensinger : sleger: Have you ever tried stocks or futures? [2017-03-19 20:47:47] sleger : of course i trade almost everyting [2017-03-19 20:47:55] ronensinger : sleger: What broker do you use? [2017-03-19 20:48:06] sleger : IB [2017-03-19 20:48:14] ronensinger : sleger: They're the best [2017-03-19 20:48:23] sleger : no doubt [2017-03-19 20:48:39] ronensinger : Must be good to have money like that [2017-03-19 20:49:05] l3f : Wow strong bounce from btc [2017-03-19 20:49:17] sleger : it doesnt come "like that", I work for it [2017-03-19 20:49:35] ronensinger : I was referring to the amount, not how you obtain it [2017-03-19 20:51:34] sleger : some of my friends have over 8 digits so it doesnt seem that much to me [2017-03-19 20:51:34] sleger : sorry i meant 9 (100m+) [2017-03-19 20:54:36] ThruTheFloor : Rich parents, huh? [2017-03-19 20:54:45] sleger : no, all made it [2017-03-19 20:54:54] ThruTheFloor : From what? [2017-03-19 20:55:00] sleger : i dont hang out with dumb rich inherited money [2017-03-19 20:55:07] ThruTheFloor : I doubt you went from poor to rich, trading [2017-03-19 20:55:11] sleger : most of them through finance [2017-03-19 20:55:38] ross : ThruTheFloor: there's a lot of people made rich from trading [2017-03-19 20:55:40] sleger : none by trading their own money of c [2017-03-19 20:55:52] sleger : ross: no there isnt a LOT [2017-03-19 20:56:08] ross : sleger: what number is borderline rich for you [2017-03-19 20:56:19] sleger : 50m [2017-03-19 20:56:32] ross : well then i mean there are a few rich then [2017-03-19 20:56:51] sleger : and most didnt make money just trading their own money from 5000$ to 50m [2017-03-19 20:56:57] sleger : which is what i was saying [2017-03-19 20:57:01] ross : there are a lot of people that have made 100k+ through trading that have done it from being poor [2017-03-19 20:57:10] sleger : 100k is not rich [2017-03-19 20:57:18] sleger : you cant live on that [2017-03-19 20:57:33] sleger : and most people then lost it trying to get to 500k [2017-03-19 20:57:35] ross : lol where do you live [2017-03-19 20:57:44] sleger : ldn [2017-03-19 20:57:57] Vicariously : lol, what palace do you live in that 100k isnt enough to live on lol [2017-03-19 20:58:13] sleger : non third world country ? [2017-03-19 20:58:16] Apocalyptic : Vicariously: not a 3rd world country [2017-03-19 20:58:36] ross : I live in UK and 35k a year is enough to live on [2017-03-19 20:59:00] sleger : first of all we never said "a year" [2017-03-19 20:59:12] sleger : in london its not enough anyways [2017-03-19 20:59:16] ross : i thought that was common knowledge [2017-03-19 20:59:39] ross : yes london its not [2017-03-19 20:59:45] sleger : "ross: there are a lot of people that have made 100k+ through trading that have done it from being poor" <= that clearly didnt mean per year [2017-03-19 21:00:18] ross : no it didnt, but you said 100k you cant live on that [2017-03-19 21:00:23] ross : which indicated to me you meant a yeat [2017-03-19 21:00:26] ross : year* [2017-03-19 21:02:01] sleger : no [2017-03-19 21:02:08] sleger : i meant live on 100k [2017-03-19 21:02:56] ross : Fair enough [2017-03-19 21:02:58] sleger : i couldnt live on 100k but that doesnt mean anything [2017-03-19 21:03:15] sleger : cause the rent is more [2017-03-19 21:03:17] sleger : per year [2017-03-19 21:03:20] ross : I misunderstood what you meant [2017-03-19 21:09:35] aethlios : if you have 1 million capital you can live a nice life with 7% per year trading and investing (consume half, and half add to capital for inflation). But you need finance and trading knowledge + 5 to 10 years of experience. [2017-03-19 21:10:07] premium_freak : I reckon you need a few million [2017-03-19 21:10:29] sleger : aethlios: on 70k per year ? no way [2017-03-19 21:10:45] sleger : consume 35k you actually meant, NO way [2017-03-19 21:11:35] aethlios : sleger: here in my country is fine, only 3% of working people earn above 1,500 eur per month. [2017-03-19 21:11:59] sleger : nice living in athens you need at least 60k of consumption [2017-03-19 21:12:34] sleger : less if you earn your house in kyfissia [2017-03-19 21:14:06] premium_freak : I'm at 0.98x leverage, but I have 4 bars on my ADL indicator [2017-03-19 21:14:13] premium_freak : seems kind of odd to me [2017-03-19 21:15:03] sleger : dont worry, ive seen <1 leverage and <0 pnl and 5 lights... [2017-03-19 21:15:29] premium_freak : okay, so I don't have to worry yet? [2017-03-19 21:16:10] sleger : no only if the market moves... [2017-03-19 21:16:38] premium_freak : if anything, it probably will go down again [2017-03-19 21:16:40] premium_freak : :p [2017-03-19 21:16:54] aethlios : my plan is to work less. this year i will stop working (=trading) three months in summer, and from next year won't work from 1 May since 30 Sept. (5 months). and consume 2,500 to 3,500 per month. so with extra earned money i buy free time and not more expensive depreciable assets (cars, houses etc.) [2017-03-19 21:16:58] cmwprice : sleger: Where do you think bitcoin is going? [2017-03-19 21:17:42] sleger : which bitcoin ? [2017-03-19 21:18:08] cmwprice : Come on. hard fork isn't happening in the next week [2017-03-19 21:19:50] KyllingLolsson : Eth looking really good! More money flowing. Btc fork, perhaps not next week but sooner or later, ppl are migrating [2017-03-19 21:20:19] cmwprice : KyllingLolsson: So where do you think price will head this week? [2017-03-19 21:20:22] sleger : who said to go all in 6 months ago ? <== [2017-03-19 21:20:55] premium_freak : I bought ETH at the IPO and then sold everything at 1.5 USD :( [2017-03-19 21:21:25] KyllingLolsson : cmwprice: up a bit... 1080 or 1130 [2017-03-19 21:21:29] premium_freak : and even today I don't really see the point of ETH [2017-03-19 21:21:46] premium_freak : does anyone use ETH for anything serious? [2017-03-19 21:22:01] cmwprice : KyllingLolsson: Cool, and then down? [2017-03-19 21:22:06] aethlios : sleger: eth technically was a diving ship when you were accumulating, you took a big gamble believing on fundamentals . [2017-03-19 21:22:25] sleger : its called a trade, not a gamble [2017-03-19 21:22:33] KyllingLolsson : premium_freak: look at this vid. www.youtube.com/watch?v=K27ng1ZBWIw [2017-03-19 21:23:21] KyllingLolsson : cmwprice: think so, but always need to adjust theory to what happens in the moment [2017-03-19 21:24:26] aethlios : maybe btc topped here, won't let us short higher. [2017-03-19 21:25:27] aethlios : i will open a small 50 btc short. [2017-03-19 21:25:41] ThruTheFloor : "small" [2017-03-19 21:25:49] ThruTheFloor : OK, mr. moneybags [2017-03-19 21:26:02] KyllingLolsson : Lol [2017-03-19 21:26:30] aethlios : okcoin biweekly has a nice 10 usd premium above index. [2017-03-19 21:26:44] KyllingLolsson : Give me some @aethlios [2017-03-19 21:27:32] KyllingLolsson : cmwprice: oops. Price looking bad btc... ? [2017-03-19 21:27:35] aethlios : next leg could be to 855 or 755, those are the supports. [2017-03-19 21:28:03] ThruTheFloor : aethlios: Nah, this is temporary to 1020 or so, I still think we're gonna see 1100 before we continue down [2017-03-19 21:28:12] cmwprice : KyllingLolsson: Its looking bad now? [2017-03-19 21:28:19] sleger : aethlios: 7$ premium [2017-03-19 21:28:21] cmwprice : Why more than 5 minutes ago? [2017-03-19 21:28:23] sleger : but yes pretty nice [2017-03-19 21:28:24] aethlios : ThruTheFloor: if it can't bounch more is really dead. [2017-03-19 21:28:58] aethlios : sell 1055 biweekly, only 9 filled, come on bounch a bit. [2017-03-19 21:29:22] ThruTheFloor : Watch, we're in a triangle right now, we're gonna bounce off 1041 [2017-03-19 21:29:34] KyllingLolsson : cmwprice: i didnt believe it would fail to pass that line [2017-03-19 21:29:49] aethlios : i should talk after opening the position [2017-03-19 21:30:44] cmwprice : /sentiment [2017-03-19 21:30:46] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 62.14 / 37.87 Daily : 47.65 / 52.35 Weekly : 55.93 / 44.07 Monthly : 52.62 / 47.38``` [2017-03-19 21:30:47] KyllingLolsson : aethlios: haha yeah maybe if 50 btc is nothing 4 u [2017-03-19 21:32:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 1044.92 [2017-03-19 21:32:34] ThruTheFloor : Watch it bounce here [2017-03-19 21:33:04] premium_freak : yup, it's bouncing down [2017-03-19 21:33:13] Ahhere : aethlios: do you have that long term support chart you linked recently? [2017-03-19 21:33:29] ThruTheFloor : premium_freak: lol ok [2017-03-19 21:33:59] aethlios : Ahhere: i will post an updated one in a few minutes. [2017-03-19 21:34:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 6000 @ 1041.54 [2017-03-19 21:34:29] Ahhere : cool thx [2017-03-19 21:34:32] DorianWhack-A-Moto : ThruTheFloor: watch it bounce from 1040 you said? [2017-03-19 21:34:58] ThruTheFloor : DorianWhack-A-Moto: How's your short from 1000 working out? [2017-03-19 21:35:24] hmmmYea : sleger: what do you make of the short term flip in BTC/USD... ETH/BTC correl? [2017-03-19 21:35:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 8349 @ 1035.89 [2017-03-19 21:35:29] DorianWhack-A-Moto : it was 1002 and i closed at 974. remember i said we'd see 970 before 1050? [2017-03-19 21:35:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 4975 @ 1040.57 [2017-03-19 21:35:42] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet: [2017-03-19 21:35:43] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 12500 @ 1040.49 [2017-03-19 21:36:17] ThruTheFloor : DorianWhack-A-Moto: Oh right, I slept thru that, nvm [2017-03-19 21:36:24] sleger : hmmmYea: was pretty busy last days to do much, so im mostly ethusd long at this point [2017-03-19 21:36:39] sleger : I have seen it, but havent acted on it yet, because no time [2017-03-19 21:36:49] DorianWhack-A-Moto : ThruTheFloor: i dont sleep on shorts and i dont like paying funding so i close if one of those things is about to happen [2017-03-19 21:37:35] Dynamix : If we break 1030 we are gonna go to shitland [2017-03-19 21:37:44] donsteep : sleep without shorts, got it [2017-03-19 21:37:57] donsteep : good advice for trading and life [2017-03-19 21:38:11] DorianWhack-A-Moto : real traders dont wear pants [2017-03-19 21:38:39] lev_ : Hi there [2017-03-19 21:38:46] aethlios : opened 1051 average 50 btc short okcoin biweekly. [2017-03-19 21:39:08] lev_ : Anyone nice to help me with some basic questions on trading in BitMex? [2017-03-19 21:39:29] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/VUJ6tNMB/ 835-850 target, maybe 775 over extended panic dump. panic below ema200 882 [2017-03-19 21:40:01] j8 : aethlios: funny how okc futures are more bullish than here (XBT and XBC) [2017-03-19 21:40:47] ThruTheFloor : If BTC is about to drop, is it a good idea to long ETH? The inverse relationship still applies or not anymore? [2017-03-19 21:41:00] lev_ : How do I know the interest rate I pay on a regular margin position? [2017-03-19 21:41:39] aethlios : j8: because 50% their index is okcoin.cn, huobi, btcc and those coins are less volatile now because of withdraw ban. [2017-03-19 21:42:40] Freewizard : How high are we going [2017-03-19 21:42:42] j8 : thats why i mentioned XBC series here, which have also been a bit lower [2017-03-19 21:42:47] aethlios : Ahhere: https://www.tradingview.com/x/VUJ6tNMB/ [2017-03-19 21:42:48] premium_freak : lev_: afaik you only pay interest on the swap, but not on the futures [2017-03-19 21:43:29] rapidtrades : dash just doesn't want to die [2017-03-19 21:44:16] sleger : not yet [2017-03-19 21:44:18] sleger : its time will come [2017-03-19 21:44:31] hmmmYea : /price [2017-03-19 21:44:35] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1038.68 (0.03%) Bitfinex : 1037.40 (-0.42%) The Woodchipper : 1049.20 (-0.09%) itBit : 1036.67 (-0.43%) Kraken : 1018.83 (-0.02%) GDAX : 1042.38 (-0.77%) SLQ : 1 hour, 16 mins``` [2017-03-19 21:46:09] rapidtrades : what do u think about this bounce guys? dead cat huh? [2017-03-19 21:46:28] j8 : most likely [2017-03-19 21:46:29] cmwprice : rapidtrades: Will go back to 1060 no? [2017-03-19 21:47:08] lev_ : premium_freak: So the intrest changes by what's here:? https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD [2017-03-19 21:47:24] lev_ : That is 0.1362% for today right? [2017-03-19 21:47:48] aethlios : lev_: it is for 8 hours [2017-03-19 21:48:05] j8 : hitting new lows will start to break long term trendlines [2017-03-19 21:48:07] Ahhere : aethlios: nice on bro might put a few buy orders down there on my santa christmas list [2017-03-19 21:48:10] sleger : total for today was close to 1% [2017-03-19 21:48:15] sleger : lev_: [2017-03-19 21:48:55] lev_ : aethlios: Just to make sure, 0.1362% for only 8 hours currently? [2017-03-19 21:49:19] sleger : yes [2017-03-19 21:49:30] premium_freak : wow, that's a lot [2017-03-19 21:49:32] sleger : was 0.37% past 8 hours [2017-03-19 21:49:36] aethlios : lev_: yes, and place the cursor on the rate and saya predicted funding for the next 8 hours. [2017-03-19 21:49:37] sleger : premium_freak: it is [2017-03-19 21:50:22] lev_ : Wowsee.. thanks people [2017-03-19 21:50:41] cryptoyolo : rapidtrades: u still bearish? i mean... we basically saw a tripple bottom at 940 [2017-03-19 21:51:20] DorianWhack-A-Moto : read vinny linghams latest tweets and blog. big money dumping btc [2017-03-19 21:51:26] sleger : it must be really weak then if one rejection wasnt enough ? @cryptoyolo [2017-03-19 21:51:39] cryptoyolo : sleger: u got a point [2017-03-19 21:51:56] sleger : cryptoyolo: my point was just that comment last yours can be taken both ways [2017-03-19 21:52:00] sleger : so they're useless [2017-03-19 21:52:02] Sultan Pepper : cryptoyolo: does he? [2017-03-19 21:52:07] sleger : just like TA in general [2017-03-19 21:52:08] premium_freak : I'd like to short some DASH, but the 7 day settlement seems kind of useless to me.. I'd like to short it for at least a month [2017-03-19 21:52:31] cryptoyolo : sleger: usually when i see a tripple i consider it to be strong actually [2017-03-19 21:52:33] sleger : premium_freak: go to polo then [2017-03-19 21:52:49] DorianWhack-A-Moto : premium_freak: dont short alts now. [2017-03-19 21:52:58] sleger : cryptoyolo: when I start to see stuff on a chart, I turn off my computer and go to bed [2017-03-19 21:53:37] premium_freak : DorianWhack-A-Moto: it's in my nature to be contrarian [2017-03-19 21:53:42] cryptoyolo : wtf... [2017-03-19 21:53:48] cmwprice : /sentiment [2017-03-19 21:53:50] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 60.81 / 39.19 Daily : 47.74 / 52.26 Weekly : 55.94 / 44.06 Monthly : 52.62 / 47.38``` [2017-03-19 21:53:51] DorianWhack-A-Moto : premium_freak: well good luck [2017-03-19 21:54:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 7 @ 0.043060 [2017-03-19 21:54:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 120 @ 0.043520 [2017-03-19 21:54:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 21 @ 0.043640 [2017-03-19 21:54:11] sleger : as long as he oesnt short eth [2017-03-19 21:54:15] Sultan Pepper : sleger: do you go purely FA and PA? [2017-03-19 21:54:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 176 @ 0.043730 [2017-03-19 21:54:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 300 @ 0.043940 [2017-03-19 21:54:46] DorianWhack-A-Moto : all alts in bubble because of btc. btc likely to hit new lows, new highs for alts [2017-03-19 21:55:04] sleger : Sultan Pepper: FA, PA ? [2017-03-19 21:55:37] Sultan Pepper : sleger: sorry, Fundamental and Psycholgical Analysis, respectively [2017-03-19 21:55:59] sleger : ah no, that goes into it, but not just that, definitely not useless though [2017-03-19 21:56:03] sleger : unlike TA [2017-03-19 21:56:04] KyllingLolsson : cmwprice: dont worry man :) stay calm and enjoy the waves! Buy eth! [2017-03-19 21:56:30] premium_freak : sleger: generally I agree with what you're saying about TA, but there's one simple set up that keeps making money for me in btc [2017-03-19 21:57:06] sleger : premium_freak: I'd bet its not purely based on TA directly or TA indirectly uses WHY it works [2017-03-19 21:57:26] lopol : Why my available balance is stuck lower when i first changed risk limit to 500 and then back to 100? [2017-03-19 21:57:46] premium_freak : yup, probably... but it doesn't matter for me :p [2017-03-19 21:57:47] Sultan Pepper : sleger: i do feel like fundamentals and psychology reveal themselves in a chart, and support/resistance surely isn't too out there. But TA seems a bit laggy most of the tome [2017-03-19 21:57:48] lopol : It was much higer before i changed it and changed it back [2017-03-19 21:58:07] sleger : Sultan Pepper: TA is an indirect use/representation of those yes [2017-03-19 21:58:12] sleger : sometimes [2017-03-19 21:58:16] rapidtrades : sleger trades on TA just doesn't call it that cos he wants to feel speshul [2017-03-19 21:59:05] aethlios : BU ABOVE 40% hash rate, maybe that's why the dump. [2017-03-19 21:59:07] aethlios : Blocks Mined by Bitcoin Client Unlimited: 350 / 1000 Core: 642 / 1000 Other: 8 / 1000 Estimated Hashrate by Bitcoin Client Unlimited: 1,504PH/s (40.26%) Core: 2,219PH/s (59.4%) Other: 13PH/s (0.35%) [2017-03-19 21:59:09] Sultan Pepper : My rapid/sleger theory is fucking my brain right now [2017-03-19 21:59:29] Tetsuo : aethlios: thx for povidin FACTS [2017-03-19 21:59:47] sleger : unlimited facts matter [2017-03-19 22:00:04] sleger : ust BUY the damn ETH [2017-03-19 22:01:17] aethlios : sleger: we eth is a hedge to btc?? failure of btc doesn't mean success of eth. [2017-03-19 22:01:34] rapidtrades : aethlios: its been at 40% all day [2017-03-19 22:01:44] sleger : eth doesnt give a greek yogurt about btc success or not [2017-03-19 22:02:07] aethlios : rapidtrades: last time i checked a few hours before 38% [2017-03-19 22:02:11] rapidtrades : i think ppl are trusting the new finex market and think fork will not be so bad [2017-03-19 22:02:27] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: the finex mkt is deceptive... [2017-03-19 22:02:40] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: wait actually.. i reread what you wrote [2017-03-19 22:02:45] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: i agree [2017-03-19 22:02:53] hmmmYea : lol [2017-03-19 22:03:19] rapidtrades : they're wrong tho cos just like with ETF, its not giving the correct odds [2017-03-19 22:03:59] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: in what way? [2017-03-19 22:04:58] aethlios : rapidtrades: prices on finex are based on hash rate for each coin, as BU hash rate goes up then bcu price will go up, with 50%-50% has prices will be the same. [2017-03-19 22:05:23] abbey : expect btc crash hard soon [2017-03-19 22:05:33] cmwprice : abbey: Why? [2017-03-19 22:05:40] hmmmYea : cmwprice: magic 8 said so [2017-03-19 22:05:43] hmmmYea : ball* [2017-03-19 22:06:11] Ahhere : abbey: wow abbey is bearish what the shit? [2017-03-19 22:06:12] rapidtrades : look at current prices 789 or core, that can't be the bitcoin price post fork, its way too high [2017-03-19 22:06:15] DorianWhack-A-Moto : cmwprice: https://twitter.com/VinnyLingham/status/843512421511708672 [2017-03-19 22:06:18] abbey : it looks like it, imo [2017-03-19 22:06:26] rapidtrades : the fork scenarioes are too optimistic, both of them [2017-03-19 22:07:26] aethlios : rapidtrades: don't you get it?? there is an arb in finex. you can exchange 1 bcc+1 bcu with 1 btc NOW, so prices there are irrelevant with fork. [2017-03-19 22:07:31] Ahhere : abbey: I'm short and sold much btc which is rare [2017-03-19 22:08:23] abbey : Ahhere: same, except i got rekt hard [2017-03-19 22:08:45] DorianWhack-A-Moto : im not going full vinny and selling all my coldstorage, but taking as much profit as i can while price is over 1000 [2017-03-19 22:08:51] Ahhere : abbey: ouch yep i had a bad march too [2017-03-19 22:09:06] Ahhere : trading wise [2017-03-19 22:09:22] Ahhere : my cold storage actually made me lots of btc and didn't do too bad because of my eth [2017-03-19 22:09:28] premium_freak : I don't get what vinny is saying about holding btcu [2017-03-19 22:09:43] premium_freak : if the network forks, don't you end up with both tokens? [2017-03-19 22:10:13] hmmmYea : yea [2017-03-19 22:10:40] DorianWhack-A-Moto : premium_freak: he's talking about btc. right now a high price is pushing us closer to forking with unlimited. its in the miners interest to keep price high and blocks full. when miners start losing money with lower price it will force them to take action [2017-03-19 22:11:01] premium_freak : ah, okay, got it now [2017-03-19 22:11:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 1 @ 0.003820 [2017-03-19 22:13:11] premium_freak : honestly, the sooner the network forks, the better.. let the market decide the best approach to scaling [2017-03-19 22:13:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 35500 @ 1046.27 [2017-03-19 22:13:39] Dynamix : Sell Jun ;) [2017-03-19 22:20:56] zach719 : buy??? [2017-03-19 22:21:19] cmwprice : zach719: Till 1060 at least I think [2017-03-19 22:21:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 1 @ 0.102663 [2017-03-19 22:21:58] abbey : bulls gonna get rekt! :D [2017-03-19 22:22:03] aethlios : https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0060/6102/products/book_buy_sell_sell_new_1024x1024.jpg?v=1291137799 [2017-03-19 22:23:03] cmwprice : abbey: When? [2017-03-19 22:23:15] abbey : soon [2017-03-19 22:23:18] DorianWhack-A-Moto : rekts coming soon [2017-03-19 22:23:24] cmwprice : abbey: How soon? [2017-03-19 22:23:31] cmwprice : /sentiment [2017-03-19 22:23:34] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 56.91 / 43.09 Daily : 47.33 / 52.67 Weekly : 55.93 / 44.07 Monthly : 52.62 / 47.38``` [2017-03-19 22:24:03] abbey : starting now [2017-03-19 22:24:25] cmwprice : abbey: Price prediction at midnight? [2017-03-19 22:24:53] DorianWhack-A-Moto : bitcoin needs about tree fiddy [2017-03-19 22:25:08] DorianWhack-A-Moto : its about that time i realized [2017-03-19 22:25:09] abbey : utc? @cmwprice [2017-03-19 22:25:26] cmwprice : abbey: Yeah sorry [2017-03-19 22:26:17] abbey : 1200 [2017-03-19 22:26:53] cmwprice : abbey: How does that mean bulls will get rekd?! [2017-03-19 22:27:01] Ahhere : DorianWhack-A-Moto: tree fiddy confirmed [2017-03-19 22:27:42] cmwprice : abbey: Obviously it's not going there, but do you think up? [2017-03-19 22:27:44] jayesh : abbey: and why do you think so ? [2017-03-19 22:27:46] abbey : cmwprice: first down [2017-03-19 22:28:07] cmwprice : abbey: This is interesting. What are you basing this on? [2017-03-19 22:28:26] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Ahhere: this guy thinks bitcoin need tree tirdy seven https://twitter.com/ARKblockchain/status/843154147495108611 [2017-03-19 22:28:31] rapidtrades : https://blog.coinbase.com/update-for-customers-with-bitcoin-stored-on-coinbase-904dea08ac5f [2017-03-19 22:28:47] rapidtrades : what the actual f*ck coinbase [2017-03-19 22:29:36] rapidtrades : will bitmex give us both coins? [2017-03-19 22:29:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 6000 @ 1038.35 [2017-03-19 22:30:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2133 @ 1037.36 [2017-03-19 22:30:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 4000 @ 1037.63 [2017-03-19 22:30:13] ross : abbey: how did you know this was gonna happen? [2017-03-19 22:30:20] abbey : weeee [2017-03-19 22:30:20] Ahhere : DorianWhack-A-Moto: good lord btc won't survive that shirly [2017-03-19 22:30:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 9000 @ 1036.62 [2017-03-19 22:30:41] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Ahhere: it will, but it will be bloody. [2017-03-19 22:30:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 50 @ 1036.11 [2017-03-19 22:30:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 210000 @ 1034.53 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: [2017-03-19 22:30:49] jayesh : abbey: small move. Not a Big one yet [2017-03-19 22:30:53] premium_freak : 210k, not bad :) [2017-03-19 22:31:07] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Oh lord look at stamp [2017-03-19 22:31:25] DorianWhack-A-Moto : sorry bulls [2017-03-19 22:31:37] cmwprice : DorianWhack-A-Moto: What happened? [2017-03-19 22:31:48] Ahhere : ross: abbey has been the biggest bull I've seen on here(except maybe ugly old goat). when abbey is bearish its bad. [2017-03-19 22:31:53] DorianWhack-A-Moto : cmwprice: dipped down to 1022. back to 1026 [2017-03-19 22:32:18] Tetsuo : Ahhere: where is ugly old goat? [2017-03-19 22:32:40] needmoneyquick : eth going to soar its looking? [2017-03-19 22:32:56] cmwprice : abbey: When do we go back up? [2017-03-19 22:33:04] Ahhere : I dunno didn't see him but I've been busy @Tetsuo [2017-03-19 22:33:17] Tetsuo : i hope he got rekt [2017-03-19 22:33:43] Ahhere : Tetsuo: lol did he piss u off? [2017-03-19 22:33:45] cmwprice : /sentiment [2017-03-19 22:33:48] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 57.36 / 42.64 Daily : 46.96 / 53.04 Weekly : 55.94 / 44.06 Monthly : 52.62 / 47.38``` [2017-03-19 22:34:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 1031.63 [2017-03-19 22:35:05] DorianWhack-A-Moto : /rekt [2017-03-19 22:35:06] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 4 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 210000 @ 1034.53 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 6 hours, 54 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 100000 @ 1010.42 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 21 hours, 44 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 100000 @ 1000.02 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` [2017-03-19 22:35:18] DorianWhack-A-Moto : not looking good [2017-03-19 22:35:53] rapidtrades : LET IT FALL [2017-03-19 22:36:02] rapidtrades : u already raped us 1.2% in funding [2017-03-19 22:36:16] DorianWhack-A-Moto : finex barley holding 1020 [2017-03-19 22:36:21] DorianWhack-A-Moto : barely [2017-03-19 22:36:27] REKT : Abandon the ship! [2017-03-19 22:36:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 11000 @ 1029.84 [2017-03-19 22:36:29] rapidtrades : /price [2017-03-19 22:36:33] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1021.18 (-1.68%) Bitfinex : 1019.00 (-1.77%) The Woodchipper : 1038.21 (-1.05%) itBit : 1025.21 (-1.11%) Kraken : 1009.00 (-0.96%) GDAX : 1023.02 (-1.86%) SLQ : 51 mins``` [2017-03-19 22:36:51] Apocalyptic : aethlios: nice call on that short [2017-03-19 22:37:09] rapidtrades : plz remove okc, volume so low [2017-03-19 22:37:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 6000 @ 1028.36 [2017-03-19 22:37:25] Tetsuo : THE KORN IS ROTTEN TO THE CORE [2017-03-19 22:37:29] cmwprice : /sentiment [2017-03-19 22:37:31] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 53.90 / 46.10 Daily : 46.97 / 53.03 Weekly : 55.93 / 44.07 Monthly : 52.62 / 47.38``` [2017-03-19 22:37:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 79 @ 1026.87 [2017-03-19 22:37:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 1024.89 [2017-03-19 22:38:10] DorianWhack-A-Moto : stamp going to 1000 [2017-03-19 22:38:12] KingTuna : I just don't see how BTC could go up with all this hard fork FUD going around [2017-03-19 22:38:16] hmmmYea : ok coin lol [2017-03-19 22:38:18] DorianWhack-A-Moto : think 1000 might hold [2017-03-19 22:38:31] cmwprice : abbey: When should we buy? [2017-03-19 22:38:31] Dynamix : bitstamp down 1012 [2017-03-19 22:38:33] Dynamix : /price [2017-03-19 22:38:36] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1011.00 (-1.00%) Bitfinex : 1018.30 (-0.07%) The Woodchipper : 1040.89 (0.26%) itBit : 1017.79 (-0.72%) Kraken : 1011.46 (0.24%) GDAX : 1021.98 (-0.10%) SLQ : 2 mins``` [2017-03-19 22:39:05] DoubleU : 850 coming [2017-03-19 22:39:15] rapidtrades : smone dump 10k on okc plz, k tnx [2017-03-19 22:39:20] aethlios : bitmex must tell us if they will credit to our account BTU if fork happens. [2017-03-19 22:39:21] hmmmYea : hahaha [2017-03-19 22:39:30] hmmmYea : ok coin is already on BCU [2017-03-19 22:39:38] rapidtrades : @bitmex tell US [2017-03-19 22:40:00] aethlios : rapidtrades: coinbased said no, polo said yes. [2017-03-19 22:40:11] premium_freak : aethlios: I believe they already said they would do both tokens [2017-03-19 22:40:13] rapidtrades : coinbase is such shit [2017-03-19 22:40:37] rapidtrades : premium_freak: no [2017-03-19 22:41:08] aethlios : premium_freak: i don't ask to have products, just to credit to our accounts the btu, and when network is safe we can withdraw them. [2017-03-19 22:42:08] hmmmYea : aethlios: they said we would get the BTUs [2017-03-19 22:42:27] aethlios : also what the indexes will represent. [2017-03-19 22:42:41] hmmmYea : aethlios: they said they have not decided that yet [2017-03-19 22:43:51] aethlios : hmmmYea: If the BU fork does succeed, we intend to take every possible step to ensure the safety and integrity of customer deposits on both chains. this means for sure we will receive BTUs??? [2017-03-19 22:44:41] hmmmYea : aethlios: no, bitmex_sam ( i think) said it in chat [2017-03-19 22:44:42] etoque : etc going to moon [2017-03-19 22:45:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: buy 1200 @ 0.023240 [2017-03-19 22:45:20] aethlios : better have a public announcement [2017-03-19 22:45:38] hmmmYea : agreed [2017-03-19 22:47:03] Ahhere : etoque: or double top.. [2017-03-19 22:47:35] etoque : not even 2 dollars for decentralized gouvernance ? My bad dash is 110$ [2017-03-19 22:47:42] etoque : ;) [2017-03-19 22:49:43] Ahhere : etoque: dash is an enigma wrapped in a riddle [2017-03-19 22:49:54] etoque : no you're just blind [2017-03-19 22:49:55] etoque : its ok [2017-03-19 22:50:09] Ahhere : marinaded in pump [2017-03-19 22:50:56] Ahhere : etoque: its 1/3 ath I wouldn't invest in etc unless it broke that maybe you're right but I would be surprised [2017-03-19 22:51:34] etoque : cryptocurrency is full of surprise :) [2017-03-19 22:51:55] etoque : Btc is done for couple month easy,if not years,will shine back [2017-03-19 22:52:00] etoque : alt [2017-03-19 22:55:10] cmwprice : /price [2017-03-19 22:55:13] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1034.00 (2.27%) Bitfinex : 1035.90 (1.73%) The Woodchipper : 1048.99 (0.78%) itBit : 1028.85 (1.09%) Kraken : 1034.94 (2.32%) GDAX : 1035.98 (1.37%) SLQ : 16 mins``` [2017-03-19 22:59:07] Ahhere : etoque: agreed but I'm not betting on that alt being around in 3 years [2017-03-19 22:59:35] etoque : principal subject here is etc not dash :P [2017-03-19 22:59:42] etoque : : p [2017-03-19 23:00:07] rangle : ETH lookin stong [2017-03-19 23:00:12] rangle : strong* [2017-03-19 23:01:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 400 @ 0.043920 [2017-03-19 23:01:17] Ahhere : #stongtogether [2017-03-19 23:07:24] lev : Hi guys, is there a link somewhere here to what is ROE% and how it's calculated? [2017-03-19 23:09:30] j8 : unrealised pnl / initial margin [2017-03-19 23:14:30] lev : thx! [2017-03-19 23:16:42] rangle : pretty low volume on june contract so far [2017-03-19 23:20:22] aethlios : below 800 pray for core. [2017-03-19 23:24:07] cmwprice : /sentiment [2017-03-19 23:24:09] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 52.10 / 47.90 Daily : 46.98 / 53.02 Weekly : 55.91 / 44.09 Monthly : 52.61 / 47.39``` [2017-03-19 23:29:08] Roston : Time for some degenerate 100x trading [2017-03-19 23:29:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 200 @ 1028.01 [2017-03-19 23:32:19] emcor : /rekt [2017-03-19 23:32:19] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 1 hour, 1 min, ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 210000 @ 1034.53 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 7 hours, 51 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 100000 @ 1010.42 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 22 hours, 41 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 100000 @ 1000.02 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` [2017-03-19 23:37:04] frog : Roston: GL [2017-03-19 23:38:48] Roston : I dont even understand how to lose all my money here lmao [2017-03-19 23:39:05] Roston : my nubness does not understand this order system [2017-03-19 23:39:15] frog : 100% margin small move can cause liquidation even of u r on right side [2017-03-19 23:39:27] etoque : how u loose money into bullish market [2017-03-19 23:39:35] etoque : switch to alt now and ur ok [2017-03-19 23:40:58] frog : try small trade at 10% to get used to clicking right buttons and seeing what happens in real life [2017-03-19 23:42:16] Roston : Yeah 100% going to have to try that, or this 1 btc going to go real fast lol [2017-03-19 23:44:50] frog : they mark against index which can be above or below swap price but you buy and sell at swap price [2017-03-19 23:45:17] frog : can get closed out based on index even if swap price is ok [2017-03-19 23:46:25] cmwprice : /sentiment [2017-03-19 23:46:27] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 51.80 / 48.20 Daily : 47.34 / 52.66 Weekly : 55.94 / 44.06 Monthly : 52.62 / 47.38``` [2017-03-19 23:46:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 3 @ 1021.31 :punch: :whale: [2017-03-19 23:48:12] cmwprice : /sentiment [2017-03-19 23:48:14] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 52.02 / 47.98 Daily : 47.37 / 52.63 Weekly : 55.94 / 44.06 Monthly : 52.62 / 47.38``` [2017-03-19 23:48:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 15000 @ 1014.89 [2017-03-19 23:48:45] cryptoyolo : my short thanks [2017-03-19 23:50:13] Ahhere : SAD! [2017-03-19 23:51:21] Ahhere : /price [2017-03-19 23:51:25] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1012.64 (-2.07%) Bitfinex : 1010.50 (-2.45%) The Woodchipper : 1016.91 (-3.06%) itBit : 1009.38 (-1.89%) Kraken : 1003.00 (-3.09%) GDAX : 1012.40 (-2.28%) SLQ : 56 mins``` [2017-03-19 23:51:40] cmwprice : Buy the dip! [2017-03-19 23:52:11] cmwprice : /sentiment [2017-03-19 23:52:13] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 61.83 / 38.17 Daily : 47.47 / 52.53 Weekly : 55.97 / 44.03 Monthly : 52.63 / 47.38``` [2017-03-19 23:52:32] freact : sell the bounce! [2017-03-19 23:52:47] cmwprice : freact: Yeah, when we bounce, sell! [2017-03-19 23:55:31] cmwprice : /price [2017-03-19 23:55:35] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1014.29 (0.16%) Bitfinex : 1016.70 (0.61%) The Woodchipper : 1022.01 (0.50%) itBit : 1011.71 (0.23%) Kraken : 1006.40 (0.34%) GDAX : 1016.23 (0.38%) SLQ : 4 mins``` [2017-03-19 23:57:17] alejandromasari : /price [2017-03-20 00:00:52] jezeus : test net has officially forked into two chains. [2017-03-20 00:01:02] jezeus : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/60bhom/please_eli5_what_happened_testnet_different/df5fe0w/?context=3 [2017-03-20 00:06:24] j8 : oh shit better sell my testnet btc [2017-03-20 00:22:01] aethlios : jezeus: what that means?? can they fork the real chain with <50% hash rate?? [2017-03-20 00:26:59] etoque : lol they can fork chain with 0% hashrate [2017-03-20 00:27:43] BitMEX_Sam : Testnet forks & reorgs very regularly [2017-03-20 00:27:46] etoque : except if you talk hashrate = vote [2017-03-20 00:27:56] BitMEX_Sam : We see it a few times a month, which temporarily affects testnet.bitmex.com. [2017-03-20 00:28:24] BitMEX_Sam : Testnet hashrate is very low so it's easy for someone with a few old ASICs to cause some havoc [2017-03-20 00:28:55] BitMEX_Sam : In other words, nothing to see here. [2017-03-20 00:29:29] hmmmYea : BitMEX_Sam: any news on the fate of the index linked to XBTM17 in the event of a hard ford? [2017-03-20 00:29:31] hmmmYea : fork [2017-03-20 00:30:58] BitMEX_Sam : None yet - we will provide clarity on this soon. [2017-03-20 00:31:03] hmmmYea : ok ty [2017-03-20 00:32:14] aethlios : BitMEX_Sam: Sam also please clarify in the announcement if we will receive bitcoin unlimited for our BTC deposited here. [2017-03-20 00:35:29] Todd : hi, wanted to try the testnet.bitMex.com sandbox... how do I fund the account with testnet Bitcoin [2017-03-20 00:36:59] BitMEX_Sam : aethlios: Will do. [2017-03-20 00:37:11] BitMEX_Sam : Todd: At the deposit page, you can receive Testnet bitcoin from any of the listed faucets. [2017-03-20 00:39:22] Todd : oh, i see, thank you! :-) [2017-03-20 00:39:30] Todd : (smiley face) [2017-03-20 00:47:29] datboiyuan : is it just me or are people way overreacting to this hard fork talk [2017-03-20 00:47:40] Winklevoss : datboiyuan: I don't think so [2017-03-20 00:47:57] Winklevoss : datboiyuan: it could have serious implications, have you not considered? [2017-03-20 00:48:08] datboiyuan : yes I've considered [2017-03-20 00:48:23] datboiyuan : first, I don't think it's likely, and in the long run I don't think the price will be affected much [2017-03-20 00:48:51] Winklevoss : datboiyuan: i agree it is not so likely, why do you think the price will be unaffected much? [2017-03-20 00:52:37] datboiyuan : I think in the short term we'll see some fear and some competition [2017-03-20 00:53:10] datboiyuan : but over time, I think the better product will be obvious and we'll just have another alt coin [2017-03-20 00:53:38] datboiyuan : that'll be rebranded and may be what some people prefer, but bitcoin will always be bitcoin [2017-03-20 00:56:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 3500 @ 1022.80 [2017-03-20 01:06:49] aguia7 : Everyone, enjoy. A lot of people are going to start buying bitcoin, taking advantage of what became cheap. And that will raise the price. Independent of the news. Who buys bitcoins, does not read news, only buys. Investors, and traders like us who keep selling all the time.