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[2017-03-19 19:24:45] hmmmYea : aethlios: i flipped from long to short on polo earlier... fingers crossed
[2017-03-19 19:25:04] cmwprice : ThruTheFloor: Where do you think we're going ba
[2017-03-19 19:25:14] cmwprice : ck down then
[2017-03-19 19:25:20] aethlios : i have orders 1100-1120 to short
[2017-03-19 19:25:40] aethlios : hmmmYea: you mean dash???
[2017-03-19 19:25:52] hmmmYea : aethlios: yea
[2017-03-19 19:26:10] aguia7 : btc, will back to 1140. aahummmm
[2017-03-19 19:26:42] ThruTheFloor : I don't think shorting dash is a good idea right now
[2017-03-19 19:26:47] ThruTheFloor : It's not really crashing so it's possible it might go up again
[2017-03-19 19:26:49] consol : whats unralised PNL ands whats realised PNL ?
[2017-03-19 19:27:01] ThruTheFloor : What does it sound like?
[2017-03-19 19:27:11] hmmmYea : aethlios: seems like the alt currencies have alot of downside here if HF fears abate. lot of of risk aversion premium built in across the board
[2017-03-19 19:27:56] hmmmYea : not eth tho.. its been moving with bitcoin recently.. which is a little surprising
[2017-03-19 19:27:57] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 13500 @ 1060.32
[2017-03-19 19:27:59] aethlios : hmmmYea: this is a rekief rally, HF more possible, BU hash rate almost 40%
[2017-03-19 19:28:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 3 @ 0.041320
[2017-03-19 19:28:18] Wings : /price
[2017-03-19 19:28:22] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1059.60 (5.96%) Bitfinex : 1057.20 (5.72%) The Woodchipper : 1062.39 (6.24%) itBit : 1055.00 (5.50%) Kraken : 1024.00 (2.40%) GDAX : 1060.31 (6.03%) SLQ : ```
[2017-03-19 19:28:35] aethlios : Blocks Mined by Bitcoin Client Unlimited: 347 / 1000 Core: 645 / 1000 Other: 8 / 1000 Estimated Hashrate by Bitcoin Client Unlimited: 1,378PH/s (38.59%) Core: 2,169PH/s (60.74%) Other: 24PH/s (0.67%)
[2017-03-19 19:29:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XRP7D`: sell 60001 @ 0.00000615
[2017-03-19 19:29:18] rangle : nice aethlios, we need trollbot to track that now :)
[2017-03-19 19:29:39] aguia7 : Does anyone have any interesting, cool, news article about BTC BTU?
[2017-03-19 19:29:40] hmmmYea : aethlios: most loosely held opinion is that IF support for BU is there.. core will fold, raise block size, and everyone will be happy... no HF..
[2017-03-19 19:29:45] aethlios : https://coin.dance/blocks
[2017-03-19 19:29:47] hmmmYea : my loosely*
[2017-03-19 19:31:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECH17`: sell 50 @ 0.067680
[2017-03-19 19:33:46] hmmmYea : we're gonna liq these zec's or just chill?
[2017-03-19 19:34:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 80 @ 0.096568
[2017-03-19 19:34:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 100 @ 0.098769
[2017-03-19 19:34:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 10 @ 0.099984
[2017-03-19 19:34:53] consol : ROE isnt ROI ?
[2017-03-19 19:35:06] consol : says its 10% green ROE but if i close position i loose still
[2017-03-19 19:35:13] consol : confusing
[2017-03-19 19:35:27] consol : i thoght ROE was ROI can someone help teach me ?
[2017-03-19 19:35:53] hmmmYea : ur pnl is calc
[2017-03-19 19:36:02] hmmmYea : d to the mark, not the mkt prices
[2017-03-19 19:36:20] consol : dam i dont understand
[2017-03-19 19:36:25] consol : sorry thanks for trying to help me
[2017-03-19 19:36:37] consol : ok mark price
[2017-03-19 19:36:43] ThruTheFloor : If you hover over stuff it explains it to you
[2017-03-19 19:36:54] ThruTheFloor : ROE is return on equity
[2017-03-19 19:36:55] consol : ty
[2017-03-19 19:37:19] consol : if i have 10% ROE and i close position i loose
[2017-03-19 19:37:23] consol : why is that ?
[2017-03-19 19:37:27] consol : 10% not -10%
[2017-03-19 19:37:31] tb : consol, your pnl is calculated against the mark price, which will likely not be the price you can trade in the market
[2017-03-19 19:37:53] consol : when i hit close dosnt it set limit order for mark price ?
[2017-03-19 19:38:07] tb : it sets limit order for the price displayed
[2017-03-19 19:38:25] consol : does it add fees to the unrealised PNL ?
[2017-03-19 19:38:39] tb : fees go in realized
[2017-03-19 19:38:48] consol : makes no sense to me
[2017-03-19 19:39:09] consol : if i close my position at the mark price when it says 20%+ in green... i end up minus balance
[2017-03-19 19:39:18] consol : is that normal ?
[2017-03-19 19:39:44] tb : if you close at mark price you should mak money minus the .00075% take fee
[2017-03-19 19:40:14] consol : ok thanks kindly maybe i hit market button ill try again making sure i close at mark
[2017-03-19 19:40:14] needmoneyquick : eth down or up?
[2017-03-19 19:40:37] needmoneyquick : down
[2017-03-19 19:40:54] tb : you may or may not be able to close at mark
[2017-03-19 19:40:58] ThruTheFloor : Why are we $10 above everyone else?
[2017-03-19 19:41:01] tb : depending on where the contract is trading relative to the mark
[2017-03-19 19:41:26] Tetsuo : Bitstamp orderbook so empty
[2017-03-19 19:42:53] consol : whats the auto deleveraging cue ?
[2017-03-19 19:43:16] tb : don't worry about that for now
[2017-03-19 19:43:18] tb : learn 1 thing at a time
[2017-03-19 19:43:41] consol : ok ty
[2017-03-19 19:44:28] Wings : We're up because the funding rate fee is about to hit, 3,7 dollars per 1000 if short
[2017-03-19 19:45:37] ThruTheFloor : Is that gonna effect the price at all?
[2017-03-19 19:45:53] sleger : ThruTheFloor: you dont know ?
[2017-03-19 19:45:59] sleger : wow...
[2017-03-19 19:46:11] sleger : you've been here long enough that you SHOULD know
[2017-03-19 19:46:30] ThruTheFloor : I've never seen an effect on the price
[2017-03-19 19:47:04] sleger : you havent been paying enough attention
[2017-03-19 19:47:33] j8 : do you mean the price of the swap or other markets?
[2017-03-19 19:48:00] Wings : The swap, shorts pay longs in 13 mins
[2017-03-19 19:50:49] ThruTheFloor : sleger: Probably, I'm not here all the time
[2017-03-19 19:51:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 10 @ 0.041770
[2017-03-19 19:53:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 290 @ 0.041880
[2017-03-19 19:53:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 20 @ 0.042140
[2017-03-19 19:53:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 100 @ 0.042200
[2017-03-19 19:54:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 1 @ 0.042330
[2017-03-19 19:54:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 1220 @ 0.042720
[2017-03-19 19:54:28] ThruTheFloor : Damn ETH
[2017-03-19 19:55:27] ThruTheFloor : From 0.039 to 0.043 in an hour
[2017-03-19 19:57:23] needmoneyquick : fml
[2017-03-19 19:57:36] needmoneyquick : I guess this site is beyond me
[2017-03-19 19:59:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 300 @ 1052.75
[2017-03-19 20:01:26] cmwprice : /sentiment
[2017-03-19 20:01:28] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 43.63 / 56.37 Daily : 49.01 / 50.99 Weekly : 55.88 / 44.12 Monthly : 52.56 / 47.44```
[2017-03-19 20:02:25] ThruTheFloor : Why are $10 above all other exchanges
[2017-03-19 20:02:43] ThruTheFloor : Mark price and funding do shit
[2017-03-19 20:03:20] ThruTheFloor : Every other exchange drops $10, and Bitmex doesn't even budge wtf
[2017-03-19 20:03:20] cmwprice : /price
[2017-03-19 20:03:49] needmoneyquick : how did my order get liqu 2 seconds after buying ffs
[2017-03-19 20:04:05] donsteep : 100x long?
[2017-03-19 20:04:28] ThruTheFloor : No, jsut shitty mark price $6 below trading price
[2017-03-19 20:04:30] needmoneyquick : I dont know god dammit
[2017-03-19 20:04:34] ThruTheFloor : This exchange is useless
[2017-03-19 20:04:54] ThruTheFloor : Unless you have enough funds that the liq price is irrelevent
[2017-03-19 20:05:53] needmoneyquick : dfs
[2017-03-19 20:05:53] needmoneyquick : dfa
[2017-03-19 20:05:53] needmoneyquick : 'df
[2017-03-19 20:05:53] needmoneyquick : 'df
[2017-03-19 20:05:53] needmoneyquick : fsdsdaf
[2017-03-19 20:05:53] needmoneyquick : 'dsf
[2017-03-19 20:05:54] needmoneyquick : fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[2017-03-19 20:06:07] needmoneyquick : fuck sakes
[2017-03-19 20:07:05] j8 : try making money more slowly next time
[2017-03-19 20:07:18] sleger : needmoneyquick: you needed money quick ?
[2017-03-19 20:07:22] sleger : you lost money quick !
[2017-03-19 20:07:36] needmoneyquick : go f yourself
[2017-03-19 20:08:11] btcfreak : hy guys, good exchange here
[2017-03-19 20:08:18] btcfreak : and 100times faster then polo
[2017-03-19 20:09:09] sleger : needmoneyquick: fart ?
[2017-03-19 20:09:14] sleger : finger ?
[2017-03-19 20:09:28] Ahhere : Related?
[2017-03-19 20:09:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 1 @ 0.041670
[2017-03-19 20:09:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 20 @ 0.041640
[2017-03-19 20:09:51] Ahhere : *felate (autocorrected)
[2017-03-19 20:10:46] sleger : needmoneyquick: play again, maybe this time i wont take your money
[2017-03-19 20:10:48] sleger : please
[2017-03-19 20:11:11] btcfreak : :D
[2017-03-19 20:11:13] needmoneyquick : no thanyou sledger and Im sorry
[2017-03-19 20:12:49] needmoneyquick : sleger: that was it all.
[2017-03-19 20:13:05] sleger : all in
[2017-03-19 20:13:10] needmoneyquick : yeah
[2017-03-19 20:13:18] j8 : short eth i'm guessing
[2017-03-19 20:13:23] needmoneyquick : yes
[2017-03-19 20:13:23] wanted : hola
[2017-03-19 20:13:54] sleger : you said buy
[2017-03-19 20:14:10] sleger : "needmoneyquick: how did my order get liqu 2 seconds after buying"
[2017-03-19 20:14:25] sleger : NEVER short eth, eth is god's money
[2017-03-19 20:14:56] needmoneyquick : yeah I'm a noob I dont know what I'm doing. Shouldn't be here
[2017-03-19 20:15:01] ThruTheFloor : Shorting ETH worked just fine when it was ranging, looks like it broke up again tho
[2017-03-19 20:16:10] sleger : shorting eth was NEVER fine
[2017-03-19 20:16:11] sleger : you can be lucky and not die, but its playing with fire
[2017-03-19 20:16:16] j8 : i get a bad feeling in my stomach when i short alts. still do it occasionally and it works out, but it never feels good
[2017-03-19 20:16:36] sleger : you can short all alts, eth is not an alt
[2017-03-19 20:16:48] needmoneyquick : shorted it at 4126
[2017-03-19 20:16:50] j8 : it is though
[2017-03-19 20:17:04] sleger : is there an official defintion ?
[2017-03-19 20:17:13] sleger : what happens to bitcoin when its bitcoin1 and bitcoin2
[2017-03-19 20:17:23] j8 : they could both become alts and bitcoin dies
[2017-03-19 20:17:26] sleger : or when eth market cap is #1
[2017-03-19 20:17:47] j8 : if that happens it's up for debate
[2017-03-19 20:17:58] sleger : when not if
[2017-03-19 20:18:25] ThruTheFloor : Shorting ETH makes more sense because it's less alt like. Look at DASH, try shorting that shit and see how well that works out.
[2017-03-19 20:18:30] j8 : that scenario is more like btc coming down to $44 than eth going up to $1000 though
[2017-03-19 20:18:43] j8 : really somewhere in the middle probably
[2017-03-19 20:18:52] sleger : no
[2017-03-19 20:19:02] j8 : you think eth has a shot at $1000?
[2017-03-19 20:19:15] sleger : a 4x increase in ethusd, means equal market cap
[2017-03-19 20:19:16] ThruTheFloor : Yes
[2017-03-19 20:19:19] sleger : only need 160 ish
[2017-03-19 20:19:33] ThruTheFloor : If bitcoin dies then the whole moon mentality goes over to ETH
[2017-03-19 20:20:03] sleger : i think eth 100 is easy done, but once again, i took that bet 6 months ago and im keeping the position, i have some extra margin position i go in and out but my few tens of thousand of eth is cold storage keep until 100+
[2017-03-19 20:22:38] aethlios : if eth market cap hits 50% of btc then btc volatility will rise and trading opportunity also.
[2017-03-19 20:22:44] j8 : yeah, thing that's kept me from investing is that those tokens aren't really supposed to be a store of value.
[2017-03-19 20:23:23] sleger : that was only a claim to make it more legit vis a vis regulators etc...
[2017-03-19 20:23:44] sleger : but yes it has more purposes than store of value, which is the only thing bitcoin can do anymore
[2017-03-19 20:24:00] j8 : there is not a defined monetary policy for the future though is there
[2017-03-19 20:24:49] rangle : for ETH? they keep waffling on POS
[2017-03-19 20:25:00] sleger : j8: no, but bitcoin can hard fork too
[2017-03-19 20:25:05] sleger : 21m can change
[2017-03-19 20:25:40] needmoneyquick : any tips to help make profits here?
[2017-03-19 20:25:49] sleger : dont short eth ?
[2017-03-19 20:25:58] j8 : it can but the fixed limit is so central to bitcoin that that would be rejected
[2017-03-19 20:26:22] j8 : it's a big selling point for bitcoin.
[2017-03-19 20:26:23] Dynamix : June down :D
[2017-03-19 20:26:23] sleger : j8: eth will likely have a 3% inflation rate than you can get yourself by staking
[2017-03-19 20:26:30] sleger : so its kind of fixed too in that sense
[2017-03-19 20:26:58] needmoneyquick : sleger: I know dumb move
[2017-03-19 20:27:56] Dynamix : /price
[2017-03-19 20:27:59] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1038.32 (-2.01%) Bitfinex : 1041.80 (-1.46%) The Woodchipper : 1050.15 (-1.15%) itBit : 1041.17 (-1.31%) Kraken : 1018.99 (-0.49%) GDAX : 1050.44 (-0.93%) SLQ : 59 mins```
[2017-03-19 20:28:11] sleger : /joke
[2017-03-19 20:28:11] sleger : /joke
[2017-03-19 20:28:27] j8 : whats the biggest marketcap PoS coin these days
[2017-03-19 20:28:29] sleger : Fking farzad dumbass !!!
[2017-03-19 20:28:48] rangle : /joke
[2017-03-19 20:28:48] trollbot : ``` Give a man a gun, he'll rob a bank Teach a man to run a bank, he'll rob the American people.```
[2017-03-19 20:29:00] rangle : lol
[2017-03-19 20:29:14] sleger : ADMINS, if this idiot Farzad can ban me for no reason then I dont want to see any of his stupid bot writes
[2017-03-19 20:29:23] sleger : j8: dash ?
[2017-03-19 20:29:40] j8 : dash still has miners
[2017-03-19 20:29:48] sleger : Tezos will be another big one coming with built in governance
[2017-03-19 20:30:19] needmoneyquick : dcr is future
[2017-03-19 20:30:21] j8 : only second level type stuff is done by dash masternodes
[2017-03-19 20:30:22] needmoneyquick : I think?
[2017-03-19 20:30:38] sleger : j8: ok i didnt look too much into it, just shorting it
[2017-03-19 20:30:51] sleger : needmoneyquick: whats that shitcoin dcr?
[2017-03-19 20:31:32] needmoneyquick : looks good to me. Built in goverance
[2017-03-19 20:31:51] rangle : decred
[2017-03-19 20:31:53] sleger : built in governance plus smart contract is Tezos stuff
[2017-03-19 20:32:04] sleger : definitely will be bigger than existing shitcoins
[2017-03-19 20:32:28] sleger : they got institutional investments from hedge funds, lots of dev, they do the ICO once they are ready to go live, no scam etc...
[2017-03-19 20:32:38] ronensinger : sleger: Long time no see
[2017-03-19 20:32:52] sleger : ronensinger: sun is shining ?
[2017-03-19 20:33:06] ronensinger : sleger: Water is wet
[2017-03-19 20:33:24] sleger : so get girls around me
[2017-03-19 20:33:28] ronensinger : Making money?
[2017-03-19 20:33:41] sleger : i was long a ton of ethusd, so ... pretty good
[2017-03-19 20:33:49] sleger : 7 figures YTF
[2017-03-19 20:33:52] sleger : YTD
[2017-03-19 20:33:55] ronensinger : sleger: Took a three week break. Now I'm back
[2017-03-19 20:34:05] ronensinger : Nice job man
[2017-03-19 20:34:13] sleger : quite happy yes
[2017-03-19 20:34:15] ronensinger : If I were you, I'd hire a shit ton of hookers and blackjack
[2017-03-19 20:34:30] sleger : to lose it all ?
[2017-03-19 20:34:34] ronensinger : After all, that's what money is for
[2017-03-19 20:34:55] sleger : nooooo, it's made to make more baby monies
[2017-03-19 20:35:06] sleger : money does reproduce
[2017-03-19 20:35:12] ronensinger : sleger: True. Are you cream-white-ox on the leaderboard?
[2017-03-19 20:35:42] sleger : i've never answered any question re the leaderboard except that im on the top one
[2017-03-19 20:36:00] ronensinger : *confirmed*
[2017-03-19 20:36:23] Winklevoss : Leaderboard link please
[2017-03-19 20:36:32] sleger : leaderboard.org
[2017-03-19 20:36:45] rangle : https://www.bitmex.com/app/leaderboard
[2017-03-19 20:36:53] ronensinger : Time to get ready to trade some fx
[2017-03-19 20:37:24] j8 : somebody made out big this week
[2017-03-19 20:37:52] needmoneyquick : whats up with dash td?
[2017-03-19 20:40:04] sleger : td ?
[2017-03-19 20:40:18] cmwprice : /sentiment
[2017-03-19 20:40:20] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 63.51 / 36.49 Daily : 49.04 / 50.96 Weekly : 55.93 / 44.08 Monthly : 52.60 / 47.40```
[2017-03-19 20:42:04] needmoneyquick : today
[2017-03-19 20:42:49] sleger : nothing
[2017-03-19 20:42:53] sleger : its mostly down not up
[2017-03-19 20:47:27] ronensinger : sleger: Have you ever tried stocks or futures?
[2017-03-19 20:47:47] sleger : of course i trade almost everyting
[2017-03-19 20:47:55] ronensinger : sleger: What broker do you use?
[2017-03-19 20:48:06] sleger : IB
[2017-03-19 20:48:14] ronensinger : sleger: They're the best
[2017-03-19 20:48:23] sleger : no doubt
[2017-03-19 20:48:39] ronensinger : Must be good to have money like that
[2017-03-19 20:49:05] l3f : Wow strong bounce from btc
[2017-03-19 20:49:17] sleger : it doesnt come "like that", I work for it
[2017-03-19 20:49:35] ronensinger : I was referring to the amount, not how you obtain it
[2017-03-19 20:51:34] sleger : some of my friends have over 8 digits so it doesnt seem that much to me
[2017-03-19 20:51:34] sleger : sorry i meant 9 (100m+)
[2017-03-19 20:54:36] ThruTheFloor : Rich parents, huh?
[2017-03-19 20:54:45] sleger : no, all made it
[2017-03-19 20:54:54] ThruTheFloor : From what?
[2017-03-19 20:55:00] sleger : i dont hang out with dumb rich inherited money
[2017-03-19 20:55:07] ThruTheFloor : I doubt you went from poor to rich, trading
[2017-03-19 20:55:11] sleger : most of them through finance
[2017-03-19 20:55:38] ross : ThruTheFloor: there's a lot of people made rich from trading
[2017-03-19 20:55:40] sleger : none by trading their own money of c
[2017-03-19 20:55:52] sleger : ross: no there isnt a LOT
[2017-03-19 20:56:08] ross : sleger: what number is borderline rich for you
[2017-03-19 20:56:19] sleger : 50m
[2017-03-19 20:56:32] ross : well then i mean there are a few rich then
[2017-03-19 20:56:51] sleger : and most didnt make money just trading their own money from 5000$ to 50m
[2017-03-19 20:56:57] sleger : which is what i was saying
[2017-03-19 20:57:01] ross : there are a lot of people that have made 100k+ through trading that have done it from being poor
[2017-03-19 20:57:10] sleger : 100k is not rich
[2017-03-19 20:57:18] sleger : you cant live on that
[2017-03-19 20:57:33] sleger : and most people then lost it trying to get to 500k
[2017-03-19 20:57:35] ross : lol where do you live
[2017-03-19 20:57:44] sleger : ldn
[2017-03-19 20:57:57] Vicariously : lol, what palace do you live in that 100k isnt enough to live on lol
[2017-03-19 20:58:13] sleger : non third world country ?
[2017-03-19 20:58:16] Apocalyptic : Vicariously: not a 3rd world country
[2017-03-19 20:58:36] ross : I live in UK and 35k a year is enough to live on
[2017-03-19 20:59:00] sleger : first of all we never said "a year"
[2017-03-19 20:59:12] sleger : in london its not enough anyways
[2017-03-19 20:59:16] ross : i thought that was common knowledge
[2017-03-19 20:59:39] ross : yes london its not
[2017-03-19 20:59:45] sleger : "ross: there are a lot of people that have made 100k+ through trading that have done it from being poor" <= that clearly didnt mean per year
[2017-03-19 21:00:18] ross : no it didnt, but you said 100k you cant live on that
[2017-03-19 21:00:23] ross : which indicated to me you meant a yeat
[2017-03-19 21:00:26] ross : year*
[2017-03-19 21:02:01] sleger : no
[2017-03-19 21:02:08] sleger : i meant live on 100k
[2017-03-19 21:02:56] ross : Fair enough
[2017-03-19 21:02:58] sleger : i couldnt live on 100k but that doesnt mean anything
[2017-03-19 21:03:15] sleger : cause the rent is more
[2017-03-19 21:03:17] sleger : per year
[2017-03-19 21:03:20] ross : I misunderstood what you meant
[2017-03-19 21:09:35] aethlios : if you have 1 million capital you can live a nice life with 7% per year trading and investing (consume half, and half add to capital for inflation). But you need finance and trading knowledge + 5 to 10 years of experience.
[2017-03-19 21:10:07] premium_freak : I reckon you need a few million
[2017-03-19 21:10:29] sleger : aethlios: on 70k per year ? no way
[2017-03-19 21:10:45] sleger : consume 35k you actually meant, NO way
[2017-03-19 21:11:35] aethlios : sleger: here in my country is fine, only 3% of working people earn above 1,500 eur per month.
[2017-03-19 21:11:59] sleger : nice living in athens you need at least 60k of consumption
[2017-03-19 21:12:34] sleger : less if you earn your house in kyfissia
[2017-03-19 21:14:06] premium_freak : I'm at 0.98x leverage, but I have 4 bars on my ADL indicator
[2017-03-19 21:14:13] premium_freak : seems kind of odd to me
[2017-03-19 21:15:03] sleger : dont worry, ive seen <1 leverage and <0 pnl and 5 lights...
[2017-03-19 21:15:29] premium_freak : okay, so I don't have to worry yet?
[2017-03-19 21:16:10] sleger : no only if the market moves...
[2017-03-19 21:16:38] premium_freak : if anything, it probably will go down again
[2017-03-19 21:16:40] premium_freak : :p
[2017-03-19 21:16:54] aethlios : my plan is to work less. this year i will stop working (=trading) three months in summer, and from next year won't work from 1 May since 30 Sept. (5 months). and consume 2,500 to 3,500 per month. so with extra earned money i buy free time and not more expensive depreciable assets (cars, houses etc.)
[2017-03-19 21:16:58] cmwprice : sleger: Where do you think bitcoin is going?
[2017-03-19 21:17:42] sleger : which bitcoin ?
[2017-03-19 21:18:08] cmwprice : Come on. hard fork isn't happening in the next week
[2017-03-19 21:19:50] KyllingLolsson : Eth looking really good! More money flowing. Btc fork, perhaps not next week but sooner or later, ppl are migrating
[2017-03-19 21:20:19] cmwprice : KyllingLolsson: So where do you think price will head this week?
[2017-03-19 21:20:22] sleger : who said to go all in 6 months ago ? <==
[2017-03-19 21:20:55] premium_freak : I bought ETH at the IPO and then sold everything at 1.5 USD :(
[2017-03-19 21:21:25] KyllingLolsson : cmwprice: up a bit... 1080 or 1130
[2017-03-19 21:21:29] premium_freak : and even today I don't really see the point of ETH
[2017-03-19 21:21:46] premium_freak : does anyone use ETH for anything serious?
[2017-03-19 21:22:01] cmwprice : KyllingLolsson: Cool, and then down?
[2017-03-19 21:22:06] aethlios : sleger: eth technically was a diving ship when you were accumulating, you took a big gamble believing on fundamentals .
[2017-03-19 21:22:25] sleger : its called a trade, not a gamble
[2017-03-19 21:22:33] KyllingLolsson : premium_freak: look at this vid. www.youtube.com/watch?v=K27ng1ZBWIw
[2017-03-19 21:23:21] KyllingLolsson : cmwprice: think so, but always need to adjust theory to what happens in the moment
[2017-03-19 21:24:26] aethlios : maybe btc topped here, won't let us short higher.
[2017-03-19 21:25:27] aethlios : i will open a small 50 btc short.
[2017-03-19 21:25:41] ThruTheFloor : "small"
[2017-03-19 21:25:49] ThruTheFloor : OK, mr. moneybags
[2017-03-19 21:26:02] KyllingLolsson : Lol
[2017-03-19 21:26:30] aethlios : okcoin biweekly has a nice 10 usd premium above index.
[2017-03-19 21:26:44] KyllingLolsson : Give me some @aethlios
[2017-03-19 21:27:32] KyllingLolsson : cmwprice: oops. Price looking bad btc... ?
[2017-03-19 21:27:35] aethlios : next leg could be to 855 or 755, those are the supports.
[2017-03-19 21:28:03] ThruTheFloor : aethlios: Nah, this is temporary to 1020 or so, I still think we're gonna see 1100 before we continue down
[2017-03-19 21:28:12] cmwprice : KyllingLolsson: Its looking bad now?
[2017-03-19 21:28:19] sleger : aethlios: 7$ premium
[2017-03-19 21:28:21] cmwprice : Why more than 5 minutes ago?
[2017-03-19 21:28:23] sleger : but yes pretty nice
[2017-03-19 21:28:24] aethlios : ThruTheFloor: if it can't bounch more is really dead.
[2017-03-19 21:28:58] aethlios : sell 1055 biweekly, only 9 filled, come on bounch a bit.
[2017-03-19 21:29:22] ThruTheFloor : Watch, we're in a triangle right now, we're gonna bounce off 1041
[2017-03-19 21:29:34] KyllingLolsson : cmwprice: i didnt believe it would fail to pass that line
[2017-03-19 21:29:49] aethlios : i should talk after opening the position
[2017-03-19 21:30:44] cmwprice : /sentiment
[2017-03-19 21:30:46] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 62.14 / 37.87 Daily : 47.65 / 52.35 Weekly : 55.93 / 44.07 Monthly : 52.62 / 47.38```
[2017-03-19 21:30:47] KyllingLolsson : aethlios: haha yeah maybe if 50 btc is nothing 4 u
[2017-03-19 21:32:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 1044.92
[2017-03-19 21:32:34] ThruTheFloor : Watch it bounce here
[2017-03-19 21:33:04] premium_freak : yup, it's bouncing down
[2017-03-19 21:33:13] Ahhere : aethlios: do you have that long term support chart you linked recently?
[2017-03-19 21:33:29] ThruTheFloor : premium_freak: lol ok
[2017-03-19 21:33:59] aethlios : Ahhere: i will post an updated one in a few minutes.
[2017-03-19 21:34:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 6000 @ 1041.54
[2017-03-19 21:34:29] Ahhere : cool thx
[2017-03-19 21:34:32] DorianWhack-A-Moto : ThruTheFloor: watch it bounce from 1040 you said?
[2017-03-19 21:34:58] ThruTheFloor : DorianWhack-A-Moto: How's your short from 1000 working out?
[2017-03-19 21:35:24] hmmmYea : sleger: what do you make of the short term flip in BTC/USD... ETH/BTC correl?
[2017-03-19 21:35:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 8349 @ 1035.89
[2017-03-19 21:35:29] DorianWhack-A-Moto : it was 1002 and i closed at 974. remember i said we'd see 970 before 1050?
[2017-03-19 21:35:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 4975 @ 1040.57
[2017-03-19 21:35:42] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet:
[2017-03-19 21:35:43] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 12500 @ 1040.49
[2017-03-19 21:36:17] ThruTheFloor : DorianWhack-A-Moto: Oh right, I slept thru that, nvm
[2017-03-19 21:36:24] sleger : hmmmYea: was pretty busy last days to do much, so im mostly ethusd long at this point
[2017-03-19 21:36:39] sleger : I have seen it, but havent acted on it yet, because no time
[2017-03-19 21:36:49] DorianWhack-A-Moto : ThruTheFloor: i dont sleep on shorts and i dont like paying funding so i close if one of those things is about to happen
[2017-03-19 21:37:35] Dynamix : If we break 1030 we are gonna go to shitland
[2017-03-19 21:37:44] donsteep : sleep without shorts, got it
[2017-03-19 21:37:57] donsteep : good advice for trading and life
[2017-03-19 21:38:11] DorianWhack-A-Moto : real traders dont wear pants
[2017-03-19 21:38:39] lev_ : Hi there
[2017-03-19 21:38:46] aethlios : opened 1051 average 50 btc short okcoin biweekly.
[2017-03-19 21:39:08] lev_ : Anyone nice to help me with some basic questions on trading in BitMex?
[2017-03-19 21:39:29] aethlios : https://www.tradingview.com/x/VUJ6tNMB/ 835-850 target, maybe 775 over extended panic dump. panic below ema200 882
[2017-03-19 21:40:01] j8 : aethlios: funny how okc futures are more bullish than here (XBT and XBC)
[2017-03-19 21:40:47] ThruTheFloor : If BTC is about to drop, is it a good idea to long ETH? The inverse relationship still applies or not anymore?
[2017-03-19 21:41:00] lev_ : How do I know the interest rate I pay on a regular margin position?
[2017-03-19 21:41:39] aethlios : j8: because 50% their index is okcoin.cn, huobi, btcc and those coins are less volatile now because of withdraw ban.
[2017-03-19 21:42:40] Freewizard : How high are we going
[2017-03-19 21:42:42] j8 : thats why i mentioned XBC series here, which have also been a bit lower
[2017-03-19 21:42:47] aethlios : Ahhere: https://www.tradingview.com/x/VUJ6tNMB/
[2017-03-19 21:42:48] premium_freak : lev_: afaik you only pay interest on the swap, but not on the futures
[2017-03-19 21:43:29] rapidtrades : dash just doesn't want to die
[2017-03-19 21:44:16] sleger : not yet
[2017-03-19 21:44:18] sleger : its time will come
[2017-03-19 21:44:31] hmmmYea : /price
[2017-03-19 21:44:35] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1038.68 (0.03%) Bitfinex : 1037.40 (-0.42%) The Woodchipper : 1049.20 (-0.09%) itBit : 1036.67 (-0.43%) Kraken : 1018.83 (-0.02%) GDAX : 1042.38 (-0.77%) SLQ : 1 hour, 16 mins```
[2017-03-19 21:46:09] rapidtrades : what do u think about this bounce guys? dead cat huh?
[2017-03-19 21:46:28] j8 : most likely
[2017-03-19 21:46:29] cmwprice : rapidtrades: Will go back to 1060 no?
[2017-03-19 21:47:08] lev_ : premium_freak: So the intrest changes by what's here:? https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD
[2017-03-19 21:47:24] lev_ : That is 0.1362% for today right?
[2017-03-19 21:47:48] aethlios : lev_: it is for 8 hours
[2017-03-19 21:48:05] j8 : hitting new lows will start to break long term trendlines
[2017-03-19 21:48:07] Ahhere : aethlios: nice on bro might put a few buy orders down there on my santa christmas list
[2017-03-19 21:48:10] sleger : total for today was close to 1%
[2017-03-19 21:48:15] sleger : lev_:
[2017-03-19 21:48:55] lev_ : aethlios: Just to make sure, 0.1362% for only 8 hours currently?
[2017-03-19 21:49:19] sleger : yes
[2017-03-19 21:49:30] premium_freak : wow, that's a lot
[2017-03-19 21:49:32] sleger : was 0.37% past 8 hours
[2017-03-19 21:49:36] aethlios : lev_: yes, and place the cursor on the rate and saya predicted funding for the next 8 hours.
[2017-03-19 21:49:37] sleger : premium_freak: it is
[2017-03-19 21:50:22] lev_ : Wowsee.. thanks people
[2017-03-19 21:50:41] cryptoyolo : rapidtrades: u still bearish? i mean... we basically saw a tripple bottom at 940
[2017-03-19 21:51:20] DorianWhack-A-Moto : read vinny linghams latest tweets and blog. big money dumping btc
[2017-03-19 21:51:26] sleger : it must be really weak then if one rejection wasnt enough ? @cryptoyolo
[2017-03-19 21:51:39] cryptoyolo : sleger: u got a point
[2017-03-19 21:51:56] sleger : cryptoyolo: my point was just that comment last yours can be taken both ways
[2017-03-19 21:52:00] sleger : so they're useless
[2017-03-19 21:52:02] Sultan Pepper : cryptoyolo: does he?
[2017-03-19 21:52:07] sleger : just like TA in general
[2017-03-19 21:52:08] premium_freak : I'd like to short some DASH, but the 7 day settlement seems kind of useless to me.. I'd like to short it for at least a month
[2017-03-19 21:52:31] cryptoyolo : sleger: usually when i see a tripple i consider it to be strong actually
[2017-03-19 21:52:33] sleger : premium_freak: go to polo then
[2017-03-19 21:52:49] DorianWhack-A-Moto : premium_freak: dont short alts now.
[2017-03-19 21:52:58] sleger : cryptoyolo: when I start to see stuff on a chart, I turn off my computer and go to bed
[2017-03-19 21:53:37] premium_freak : DorianWhack-A-Moto: it's in my nature to be contrarian
[2017-03-19 21:53:42] cryptoyolo : wtf...
[2017-03-19 21:53:48] cmwprice : /sentiment
[2017-03-19 21:53:50] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 60.81 / 39.19 Daily : 47.74 / 52.26 Weekly : 55.94 / 44.06 Monthly : 52.62 / 47.38```
[2017-03-19 21:53:51] DorianWhack-A-Moto : premium_freak: well good luck
[2017-03-19 21:54:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 7 @ 0.043060
[2017-03-19 21:54:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 120 @ 0.043520
[2017-03-19 21:54:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 21 @ 0.043640
[2017-03-19 21:54:11] sleger : as long as he oesnt short eth
[2017-03-19 21:54:15] Sultan Pepper : sleger: do you go purely FA and PA?
[2017-03-19 21:54:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 176 @ 0.043730
[2017-03-19 21:54:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 300 @ 0.043940
[2017-03-19 21:54:46] DorianWhack-A-Moto : all alts in bubble because of btc. btc likely to hit new lows, new highs for alts
[2017-03-19 21:55:04] sleger : Sultan Pepper: FA, PA ?
[2017-03-19 21:55:37] Sultan Pepper : sleger: sorry, Fundamental and Psycholgical Analysis, respectively
[2017-03-19 21:55:59] sleger : ah no, that goes into it, but not just that, definitely not useless though
[2017-03-19 21:56:03] sleger : unlike TA
[2017-03-19 21:56:04] KyllingLolsson : cmwprice: dont worry man :) stay calm and enjoy the waves! Buy eth!
[2017-03-19 21:56:30] premium_freak : sleger: generally I agree with what you're saying about TA, but there's one simple set up that keeps making money for me in btc
[2017-03-19 21:57:06] sleger : premium_freak: I'd bet its not purely based on TA directly or TA indirectly uses WHY it works
[2017-03-19 21:57:26] lopol : Why my available balance is stuck lower when i first changed risk limit to 500 and then back to 100?
[2017-03-19 21:57:46] premium_freak : yup, probably... but it doesn't matter for me :p
[2017-03-19 21:57:47] Sultan Pepper : sleger: i do feel like fundamentals and psychology reveal themselves in a chart, and support/resistance surely isn't too out there. But TA seems a bit laggy most of the tome
[2017-03-19 21:57:48] lopol : It was much higer before i changed it and changed it back
[2017-03-19 21:58:07] sleger : Sultan Pepper: TA is an indirect use/representation of those yes
[2017-03-19 21:58:12] sleger : sometimes
[2017-03-19 21:58:16] rapidtrades : sleger trades on TA just doesn't call it that cos he wants to feel speshul
[2017-03-19 21:59:05] aethlios : BU ABOVE 40% hash rate, maybe that's why the dump.
[2017-03-19 21:59:07] aethlios : Blocks Mined by Bitcoin Client Unlimited: 350 / 1000 Core: 642 / 1000 Other: 8 / 1000 Estimated Hashrate by Bitcoin Client Unlimited: 1,504PH/s (40.26%) Core: 2,219PH/s (59.4%) Other: 13PH/s (0.35%)
[2017-03-19 21:59:09] Sultan Pepper : My rapid/sleger theory is fucking my brain right now
[2017-03-19 21:59:29] Tetsuo : aethlios: thx for povidin FACTS
[2017-03-19 21:59:47] sleger : unlimited facts matter
[2017-03-19 22:00:04] sleger : ust BUY the damn ETH
[2017-03-19 22:01:17] aethlios : sleger: we eth is a hedge to btc?? failure of btc doesn't mean success of eth.
[2017-03-19 22:01:34] rapidtrades : aethlios: its been at 40% all day
[2017-03-19 22:01:44] sleger : eth doesnt give a greek yogurt about btc success or not
[2017-03-19 22:02:07] aethlios : rapidtrades: last time i checked a few hours before 38%
[2017-03-19 22:02:11] rapidtrades : i think ppl are trusting the new finex market and think fork will not be so bad
[2017-03-19 22:02:27] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: the finex mkt is deceptive...
[2017-03-19 22:02:40] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: wait actually.. i reread what you wrote
[2017-03-19 22:02:45] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: i agree
[2017-03-19 22:02:53] hmmmYea : lol
[2017-03-19 22:03:19] rapidtrades : they're wrong tho cos just like with ETF, its not giving the correct odds
[2017-03-19 22:03:59] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: in what way?
[2017-03-19 22:04:58] aethlios : rapidtrades: prices on finex are based on hash rate for each coin, as BU hash rate goes up then bcu price will go up, with 50%-50% has prices will be the same.
[2017-03-19 22:05:23] abbey : expect btc crash hard soon
[2017-03-19 22:05:33] cmwprice : abbey: Why?
[2017-03-19 22:05:40] hmmmYea : cmwprice: magic 8 said so
[2017-03-19 22:05:43] hmmmYea : ball*
[2017-03-19 22:06:11] Ahhere : abbey: wow abbey is bearish what the shit?
[2017-03-19 22:06:12] rapidtrades : look at current prices 789 or core, that can't be the bitcoin price post fork, its way too high
[2017-03-19 22:06:15] DorianWhack-A-Moto : cmwprice: https://twitter.com/VinnyLingham/status/843512421511708672
[2017-03-19 22:06:18] abbey : it looks like it, imo
[2017-03-19 22:06:26] rapidtrades : the fork scenarioes are too optimistic, both of them
[2017-03-19 22:07:26] aethlios : rapidtrades: don't you get it?? there is an arb in finex. you can exchange 1 bcc+1 bcu with 1 btc NOW, so prices there are irrelevant with fork.
[2017-03-19 22:07:31] Ahhere : abbey: I'm short and sold much btc which is rare
[2017-03-19 22:08:23] abbey : Ahhere: same, except i got rekt hard
[2017-03-19 22:08:45] DorianWhack-A-Moto : im not going full vinny and selling all my coldstorage, but taking as much profit as i can while price is over 1000
[2017-03-19 22:08:51] Ahhere : abbey: ouch yep i had a bad march too
[2017-03-19 22:09:06] Ahhere : trading wise
[2017-03-19 22:09:22] Ahhere : my cold storage actually made me lots of btc and didn't do too bad because of my eth
[2017-03-19 22:09:28] premium_freak : I don't get what vinny is saying about holding btcu
[2017-03-19 22:09:43] premium_freak : if the network forks, don't you end up with both tokens?
[2017-03-19 22:10:13] hmmmYea : yea
[2017-03-19 22:10:40] DorianWhack-A-Moto : premium_freak: he's talking about btc. right now a high price is pushing us closer to forking with unlimited. its in the miners interest to keep price high and blocks full. when miners start losing money with lower price it will force them to take action
[2017-03-19 22:11:01] premium_freak : ah, okay, got it now
[2017-03-19 22:11:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 1 @ 0.003820
[2017-03-19 22:13:11] premium_freak : honestly, the sooner the network forks, the better.. let the market decide the best approach to scaling
[2017-03-19 22:13:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 35500 @ 1046.27
[2017-03-19 22:13:39] Dynamix : Sell Jun ;)
[2017-03-19 22:20:56] zach719 : buy???
[2017-03-19 22:21:19] cmwprice : zach719: Till 1060 at least I think
[2017-03-19 22:21:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 1 @ 0.102663
[2017-03-19 22:21:58] abbey : bulls gonna get rekt! :D
[2017-03-19 22:22:03] aethlios : https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0060/6102/products/book_buy_sell_sell_new_1024x1024.jpg?v=1291137799
[2017-03-19 22:23:03] cmwprice : abbey: When?
[2017-03-19 22:23:15] abbey : soon
[2017-03-19 22:23:18] DorianWhack-A-Moto : rekts coming soon
[2017-03-19 22:23:24] cmwprice : abbey: How soon?
[2017-03-19 22:23:31] cmwprice : /sentiment
[2017-03-19 22:23:34] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 56.91 / 43.09 Daily : 47.33 / 52.67 Weekly : 55.93 / 44.07 Monthly : 52.62 / 47.38```
[2017-03-19 22:24:03] abbey : starting now
[2017-03-19 22:24:25] cmwprice : abbey: Price prediction at midnight?
[2017-03-19 22:24:53] DorianWhack-A-Moto : bitcoin needs about tree fiddy
[2017-03-19 22:25:08] DorianWhack-A-Moto : its about that time i realized
[2017-03-19 22:25:09] abbey : utc? @cmwprice
[2017-03-19 22:25:26] cmwprice : abbey: Yeah sorry
[2017-03-19 22:26:17] abbey : 1200
[2017-03-19 22:26:53] cmwprice : abbey: How does that mean bulls will get rekd?!
[2017-03-19 22:27:01] Ahhere : DorianWhack-A-Moto: tree fiddy confirmed
[2017-03-19 22:27:42] cmwprice : abbey: Obviously it's not going there, but do you think up?
[2017-03-19 22:27:44] jayesh : abbey: and why do you think so ?
[2017-03-19 22:27:46] abbey : cmwprice: first down
[2017-03-19 22:28:07] cmwprice : abbey: This is interesting. What are you basing this on?
[2017-03-19 22:28:26] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Ahhere: this guy thinks bitcoin need tree tirdy seven https://twitter.com/ARKblockchain/status/843154147495108611
[2017-03-19 22:28:31] rapidtrades : https://blog.coinbase.com/update-for-customers-with-bitcoin-stored-on-coinbase-904dea08ac5f
[2017-03-19 22:28:47] rapidtrades : what the actual f*ck coinbase
[2017-03-19 22:29:36] rapidtrades : will bitmex give us both coins?
[2017-03-19 22:29:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 6000 @ 1038.35
[2017-03-19 22:30:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2133 @ 1037.36
[2017-03-19 22:30:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 4000 @ 1037.63