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[2017-03-18 16:59:40] Xeth : To be honest, as long as the maximum ammount of bitcoins will not change it's of no real consequence.
[2017-03-18 17:00:04] Xeth : However, I dislike the idea of BTU's team
[2017-03-18 17:00:06] arbitrage101 : someone going to enter a world of hurt
[2017-03-18 17:00:10] arbitrage101 : shorting zec
[2017-03-18 17:00:10] mdsmm : core will function as a safe haven
[2017-03-18 17:00:23] arbitrage101 : paying 3.5% daily borrowing fee
[2017-03-18 17:01:09] hmmmYea : arbitrage101: what exchange?
[2017-03-18 17:01:13] laisee : mdsmm: do you really think Core behvior since 2015 shows them to be "safe"
[2017-03-18 17:01:21] arbitrage101 : hmmmYea: finex
[2017-03-18 17:01:24] Tetsuo : USD is SAFE
[2017-03-18 17:01:27] hmmmYea : arbitrage101: ty
[2017-03-18 17:01:45] CrazyAlfy : Unfortunately many people see BTU as an attack, the reality is simply people expressing their individual wishes about what Bitcoin should become. These sorts of situations will become more common as reference clients reduce in market share.
[2017-03-18 17:01:55] laisee : USD(Obana/Yellen) == SAFE. USD(Trump/??) == ???
[2017-03-18 17:02:17] juster : CrazyAlfy: attempt at control of something that is uncontrolable
[2017-03-18 17:02:23] emcor : guys
[2017-03-18 17:02:28] emcor : anyone know a blonde young girl?
[2017-03-18 17:02:33] emcor : i pay for it
[2017-03-18 17:02:35] laisee : yup. thats why a consensus signalling tool used by BU is great idea.
[2017-03-18 17:02:41] mdsmm : /block emcor
[2017-03-18 17:02:48] mdsmm : wish I was an admin
[2017-03-18 17:02:51] mdsmm : hahaha
[2017-03-18 17:02:55] CrazyAlfy : juster: No, it's not an attempt at anything. It's simply people expressing wishes.
[2017-03-18 17:03:01] Xeth : USD/Trump is still a business man that already has a ton of money, even if not as much as he says
[2017-03-18 17:03:02] kryptopojken : will bitmex launch a BTU token?
[2017-03-18 17:03:18] hmmmYea : CrazyAlfy: i think its just an economic disagreement... miner want the network to be clogged to raise fees... users (more accurately, the businesses who count users as clients) think that is untenable.
[2017-03-18 17:03:37] laisee : emcor: www.blondegirls4losers.com
[2017-03-18 17:03:57] emcor : laisee: dude i made more cash than you in 1 year this week
[2017-03-18 17:04:01] emcor : laisee: stfu
[2017-03-18 17:04:35] mdsmm : emcor: it's not about cash
[2017-03-18 17:04:44] emcor : yh
[2017-03-18 17:04:48] Xeth : @ laisee, you should correct yourself with : @emcor www.blondegirls4loserswithcash.com
[2017-03-18 17:04:50] laisee : emcor: u seem like an online loser. therefore u are.
[2017-03-18 17:05:21] CrazyAlfy : hmmmYea: I don't think raising fees is the goal of miners. Raising the price is much more profitable and a better long term strategy. Higher fees only drive people to alts.
[2017-03-18 17:05:23] laisee : Xeth: the $$$$ goes wthout saying for online losers like @emcor
[2017-03-18 17:05:29] PARAFFIN : www.blondeheroingirls4looserswithcash.to
[2017-03-18 17:05:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 20000 @ 998.48
[2017-03-18 17:05:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 410 @ 998.78
[2017-03-18 17:05:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 7000 @ 997.10
[2017-03-18 17:05:55] laisee : PARAFFIN: +1
[2017-03-18 17:06:03] PARAFFIN : im so bad boy
[2017-03-18 17:06:09] PARAFFIN : laisee:
[2017-03-18 17:06:28] Xeth : My only issue is that money should not give you pride.
[2017-03-18 17:06:56] laisee : Xeth: all the billionaires I have met don't flaunt it at all.
[2017-03-18 17:07:05] hmmmYea : CrazyAlfy: if thats truly their goal, then they have completely failed. failed so badly , you have to conclude that even tho core is good at writing code they do not have the vision necessary for the job
[2017-03-18 17:07:21] emcor : laisee: you met probably like 1 billionaire on tv
[2017-03-18 17:07:27] laisee : +1 @hmmmYea
[2017-03-18 17:07:49] Xeth : I haven't met bilionaires, just millionaires, quite honestly I don't envy them.
[2017-03-18 17:07:54] startChat : https://twitter.com/mpmcsweeney/status/843137227190386688
[2017-03-18 17:07:57] laisee : at least try to be funny @emcor. you're ;ame and boastful.
[2017-03-18 17:08:04] laisee : ^;ame^lame
[2017-03-18 17:08:05] Xeth : Besides cash is volatile, it comes and goes. Today you have it, Tommorow you don't.
[2017-03-18 17:08:36] CrazyAlfy : hmmmYea: I think the push for BTU by miners is a push to reduce fees. I wish Core had released a couple of roadmaps, and let people choose.
[2017-03-18 17:08:57] startChat : CrazyAlfy: What do you know about the techinclas of bitcoin software?
[2017-03-18 17:09:23] laisee : CrazyAlfy: they released a roadmap and offeered a choice Segwit which is less popular than BU by miles.
[2017-03-18 17:09:34] mdsmm : My dad knows a billionaire and tbh, if you don't know he's one, you'll never see haha
[2017-03-18 17:09:39] laisee : so they failed to sell their vision
[2017-03-18 17:09:56] mdsmm : the guy wears cheaper clothes than the average person
[2017-03-18 17:10:15] laisee : +1 @mdsmm.
[2017-03-18 17:10:21] emcor : mdsmm: +
[2017-03-18 17:10:22] Xeth : That's because he's probably smart and doesn't fall for all the fashion crap
[2017-03-18 17:10:38] mdsmm : Xeth: agree
[2017-03-18 17:10:48] CrazyAlfy : startChat: This isn't a software issue we are debating..
[2017-03-18 17:10:56] Kalman : mdsmm: in venezuelian bolivar many are billionairs
[2017-03-18 17:10:57] laisee : when u can buy anything like clothes u don't care about making some statement
[2017-03-18 17:11:09] startChat : sorry *concensus network
[2017-03-18 17:11:15] mdsmm : Kalman: fuck you got me.
[2017-03-18 17:12:05] CrazyAlfy : laisee: Agreed, Core has failed to provide user choices. This is why BTU was born.
[2017-03-18 17:12:28] laisee : yup. exactamente.
[2017-03-18 17:12:39] startChat : CrazyAlfy: and Classic, and XT
[2017-03-18 17:14:22] CrazyAlfy : startChat: BTU is an economic argument about providing choice and taking away central planning over time.
[2017-03-18 17:15:39] Apocalyptic : seems like now would be a good time for that 2 hour funding bitmex
[2017-03-18 17:15:52] Xeth : Ya, I like how everyone panics over this shit instead of realising that as long as the maximum ammount of btc's that will come into existance doesn't change, bitcoin will not become inflationary
[2017-03-18 17:16:23] Xeth : So in the end it will end back up into rising again
[2017-03-18 17:16:24] Apocalyptic : Xeth: it's important but not the only thing that matters
[2017-03-18 17:16:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `DASH7D`: sell 40 @ 0.105106
[2017-03-18 17:16:42] Xeth : The secondary most important thing is usefulness
[2017-03-18 17:16:59] Apocalyptic : everyone being able to bootstrap a fresh full node and sync it in a reasonable time comes to mind
[2017-03-18 17:17:47] Xeth : As far as I can tell usefulness has not degraded in either, they both fulfill their end of the bargain.
[2017-03-18 17:17:49] j8 : it's easy to make something with finite supply that is worth $0
[2017-03-18 17:18:39] Xeth : Yeah but unlike something you make right now with $0.000000 worth, bitcoin already has a market.
[2017-03-18 17:18:41] Xeth : it has shops
[2017-03-18 17:18:58] hmmmYea : Xeth: a digital currency that costs more than fiat to transfer when other cryptos offer near zero costs is obsolete
[2017-03-18 17:19:28] Xeth : So, it will change when another crypto gets more usefulness on shops/etc.
[2017-03-18 17:19:38] hmmmYea : Xeth: the first mover/network effect is alreadt getting eroded.
[2017-03-18 17:19:51] j8 : the actual usage of bitcoin for commerce puts a floor on the price, but it's probably like $100
[2017-03-18 17:20:16] j8 : this price is speculation that the market will be much bigger
[2017-03-18 17:20:19] Xeth : I sincerely doubt it's 100 tbh, too much power into that stuff comes for it to be just 100
[2017-03-18 17:20:59] j8 : too much power?
[2017-03-18 17:21:35] Xeth : Bitcoin as a concept, will change in time. I have yet to see things like games electronics etc taking more interest in another coin than btcs at the moment
[2017-03-18 17:22:01] Xeth : aye, too much processing power that costs too if your argument was correct it would become worthless and then the death would come.
[2017-03-18 17:22:38] j8 : all those ASICs might have been a bad investment, they don't provide a floor
[2017-03-18 17:23:03] laisee : its not sure that POW is sustainable over longer term i.e. fees may not be enough
[2017-03-18 17:23:49] j8 : buying miners is just another bullish bet on the price
[2017-03-18 17:23:55] j8 : they don't have to be right
[2017-03-18 17:25:44] Xeth : I don't think btc can exist at such a low price anymore. Maybe I'm wrong but I just don't see it.
[2017-03-18 17:26:17] Tetsuo : wow nice, i exited the ripple pump at the top
[2017-03-18 17:26:26] Tetsuo : what a scam
[2017-03-18 17:26:50] PARAFFIN : buy LTC
[2017-03-18 17:27:12] laisee : Xeth: at 100 BTC would be different but it will survive
[2017-03-18 17:27:31] Tetsuo : let´s make BTC Prices fair again!
[2017-03-18 17:27:39] Tetsuo : range between 80-120$
[2017-03-18 17:29:10] laisee : $99.95 ... BTC is available for the masses again. ;-)
[2017-03-18 17:29:16] Xeth : Maybe, however I'm really curious what will happen to alts once the btcbtu craze blows over that will be interesting.
[2017-03-18 17:29:43] Tetsuo : they will crash hard, as always
[2017-03-18 17:31:00] Xeth : Unless one of them actually manages to become more useful, eth looks nice in that aspect, seeing more people wanting donations on it lately I don't expect it to fall (as much)
[2017-03-18 17:31:22] laisee : maybe. a decent market cap seems to generate its own activity
[2017-03-18 17:32:09] laisee : 100BN market cap for all cryptos will defo change a few minds
[2017-03-18 17:34:09] Xeth : Either way, bitUSD remains the most stable choice for those who don't like gambling too much
[2017-03-18 17:34:52] Xeth : or the other smartcoins
[2017-03-18 17:36:16] Nick Leeson : Xeth: most will collapse. Problem is their mining emission rate is very high at current price level. This can't be sustained - there is simply not enough fiat entering the market each day to do so.
[2017-03-18 17:37:43] Xeth : Maybe, but it still is an good option if you want to buy stuff as a normal-non-trader and not deal with oh I need to buy a pc putting 1 btc in, shit it fell 200 dollars on my way to the store need to add more btc (simple silly example)
[2017-03-18 17:38:02] REKT : Have a bowl of chop-chop suey!
[2017-03-18 17:38:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 4000 @ 990.31
[2017-03-18 17:38:27] Nick Leeson : Xeth: I don't disagree with that. But I thought we were talking price :)
[2017-03-18 17:39:13] Xeth : I'm talking usefulness for majority, which bears an influence to the outcome here =))
[2017-03-18 17:41:40] c.l : does anyone knows website to buy bitcoin for a foreigners? (not us)
[2017-03-18 17:42:05] Xeth : Talking price? It will go up for a while then down again, next time might be for good, based on the age we live in
[2017-03-18 17:42:13] Xeth : (after this period)
[2017-03-18 17:42:22] Nick Leeson : Xeth: Yes ok, imo volatility is to some degree a symptom of crypto being young and laughable market caps compared to real world currency or commodities. If Bitcoin marcet cap becomes 200.000.000 in 5-10 years, it would be harder to move it, just because a whale at Poloniex sells.
[2017-03-18 17:43:20] Xeth : i don't expect Bitcoin to remain the cryptocurrency which will dominate, we change our computers every 4-6 years because they're old. maybe keep them 10 suffering lower performance on the simplest of things
[2017-03-18 17:43:35] Xeth : Technology evolves, so will cryptos
[2017-03-18 17:43:55] Xeth : Yet I do believe it's too early at this point to think of that.
[2017-03-18 17:43:56] Nick Leeson : Xeth: But right now, it's young, many people are in it for money, and will hence also buy/sell as they see fit. When it matures hopefully people will mainly use to buy stuff ... as money, this would help stabilize it.
[2017-03-18 17:44:14] Nick Leeson : Xeth: I just used BTC as example.
[2017-03-18 17:44:55] Xeth : True, but at this point, many people are seeing those people use BTC
[2017-03-18 17:45:21] Xeth : There's interest in buying it I've seen people buying it for random usage on the internet, games clothes computers beer, etc.
[2017-03-18 17:45:49] Xeth : So it's getting out there, next year it will be way more used than this year because of this effect
[2017-03-18 17:46:24] Xeth : Then the shopkeepers and other less knowledgeable folk, after getting used to btcs will hear of other alts
[2017-03-18 17:46:33] Xeth : Barely at that point, we will talk of change IMO
[2017-03-18 17:46:38] dodic : lol software does not = hardware, there is software from 1950 still in use
[2017-03-18 17:47:10] Xeth : @dodic Aye, there is, not much to change in a clock software for example.
[2017-03-18 17:47:25] Xeth : but atm there is a lot of changing potential to cryptos
[2017-03-18 17:47:48] dodic : the only really revolutionary thing to me is eth
[2017-03-18 17:48:25] dodic : though it is fundamentally very different than bitcoin
[2017-03-18 17:48:53] startChat : dodic: whats the revolution
[2017-03-18 17:49:30] Xeth : My only issue with ethereum, does it have max coins or is it infinite? I don't know and can't seem to find an answer.
[2017-03-18 17:49:44] dodic : distributed consensus for logic that can be expressed by code
[2017-03-18 17:49:46] Apocalyptic : Xeth: there is no coin limit
[2017-03-18 17:49:47] Xeth : Idk how it works in the background
[2017-03-18 17:49:49] dodic : as a currency eth sucks
[2017-03-18 17:49:58] Nick Leeson : Xeth: I hope crypto will be used as money in the future. That was the idea that got me into it :) I think if it is, you are right there will be different coins, but I don't think people will change what they use all the time. It will be a slow process. However I think we will see different crypto for different use cases. Eg. some excel in being anon, some fast, some particularly secure, etc.
[2017-03-18 17:50:11] Apocalyptic : last I checked the emission rate had a non-zero limit
[2017-03-18 17:50:57] Xeth : I do hope goverments will get the fuck out of money too but that won't happen, it will become just as regulated and I see goverments making their own cryptos
[2017-03-18 17:50:57] dodic : eth is kind of a like a weird digital fiat controlled by ethereum foundation
[2017-03-18 17:51:17] Xeth : it's a disaster for the ones which desire control over the population
[2017-03-18 17:51:31] Nick Leeson : Xeth: I believe ETHs plan is to switch to PoS at some point so infinite but decreasing inflation.
[2017-03-18 17:51:54] Xeth : I don't like the idea of a coin that gets generated infinitely
[2017-03-18 17:52:10] Xeth : USD gets generated infinitely and it loses it's value every time more debt comes it's fictive.
[2017-03-18 17:52:39] Xeth : inflation makes a coin less valuable so everyone prospers less
[2017-03-18 17:52:58] Apocalyptic : Xeth: except the producers
[2017-03-18 17:53:03] Xeth : So if ETH gets infinite coins, it's a problem for us. the consumers.
[2017-03-18 17:53:19] Nick Leeson : Xeth: For me it is not a problem when inflation is decreasing. Std. inflation in society will be higher. This said I don't believe in ETH as a long term case. But they do have so many interesting thing going, I visit daily just because its interesting.
[2017-03-18 17:53:27] Apocalyptic : one of the idea behind inflation is that it urges consumers to spend quickly
[2017-03-18 17:53:57] Nick Leeson : Xeth: Current ETH emission @ 38$ price is 428 million usd / year
[2017-03-18 17:54:59] Nick Leeson : Apocalyptic: True, and ETH really wasn't designed as to be a std. currency, but a token for the Ethereum machine.
[2017-03-18 17:55:49] Xeth : I still don't think people should support something that in the end will lose value over time
[2017-03-18 17:56:15] Xeth : If we had infinite gold gold would be useless
[2017-03-18 17:56:46] Xeth : if we had infinite land, then it would be just as worthless over time
[2017-03-18 17:57:30] Xeth : Resources should be limited, just as needs are unlimited in the current system
[2017-03-18 17:57:42] Nick Leeson : Gotta go, happy trading guys!
[2017-03-18 18:04:34] sleger : I WAS AT ORLY
[2017-03-18 18:04:46] Tetsuo : sleger: holy shit
[2017-03-18 18:04:56] Tetsuo : are u okay
[2017-03-18 18:04:57] sleger : We were held hostages by the french police for 5 hours in a fucking bus driving around
[2017-03-18 18:05:19] sleger : at some point enough people started to get agitated and we forced the driver to open the doors and we ran out
[2017-03-18 18:06:01] Tetsuo : why did they put you in a bus?
[2017-03-18 18:06:04] Tetsuo : wher u suspects?
[2017-03-18 18:06:07] Tetsuo : or for your protection
[2017-03-18 18:06:07] sleger : In the end, many people did the same and almost everyone, even international flights, ended up being free out, without showing ANY identification at all
[2017-03-18 18:06:31] sleger : we were all put in a bus because the situation happened when we were inside the terminal, so they did that to protect us
[2017-03-18 18:06:51] sleger : but 4h after the guy was down it became ridiculous, and information we were given kept changing etc etc...
[2017-03-18 18:07:37] Apocalyptic : France is getting worse
[2017-03-18 18:07:49] Xeth : More terrorism? yay. Thanks America
[2017-03-18 18:07:52] sleger : thats been the case for a while
[2017-03-18 18:07:57] sleger : (getting worse)
[2017-03-18 18:09:17] sleger : that's why we dont need some new left guy to keep the same shit going
[2017-03-18 18:10:40] johndoe : only 1 attacker with a gun, right? seems like they really didn't handle this very well.
[2017-03-18 18:13:02] sleger : he tried to steal a military AR
[2017-03-18 18:13:47] mdsmm : I want a husky
[2017-03-18 18:14:06] sleger : and he got shot while trying to get it out of the military girl hands
[2017-03-18 18:14:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 15 @ 0.109965
[2017-03-18 18:14:16] johndoe : yah, then they shot him right away. But before that he just had a pellet gun supposedly
[2017-03-18 18:14:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 500 @ 1000.51
[2017-03-18 18:14:55] DoubleU : where is DASH market maker
[2017-03-18 18:14:56] sleger : johndoe: yes, they were right to shoot him then
[2017-03-18 18:14:56] DoubleU : i wanna long
[2017-03-18 18:15:11] johndoe : seems like an pretty stupid terrorist. thankfully he didn't seem to kill anyone
[2017-03-18 18:15:54] sleger : yeah when you see what trouble a dumb lose fake terrorist can do....
[2017-03-18 18:16:00] mdsmm : You know that terrorism is at its lowest point in years.. All the media blowing things up, it's incredible
[2017-03-18 18:16:14] mdsmm : in the 60s etc it was badddd
[2017-03-18 18:16:30] johndoe : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-v-N435dNI i wouldn't go to france... because france is no longer france :)
[2017-03-18 18:16:50] sleger : big dump on june
[2017-03-18 18:17:06] DoubleU : where is FCT market marker. i cant long
[2017-03-18 18:17:06] Tetsuo : could you trade while u were in the bus ;-)
[2017-03-18 18:17:29] DoubleU : where is REP and XRP market maker
[2017-03-18 18:17:30] sleger : Tetsuo: funny story, I gave some guy 50 euros to buy his fully charged battery pack to charge my phone
[2017-03-18 18:17:38] sleger : but i couldnt do much as i couldnt tether to my laptop
[2017-03-18 18:17:42] Tetsuo : sleger: :-D
[2017-03-18 18:18:29] MikeHunt : so much for Eth being a hedge
[2017-03-18 18:18:40] j8 : thoughts on china regaining premium?
[2017-03-18 18:18:53] sleger : so today, because of a failed loser terrorist, France let 1000 international travelers come into the country without showing any ID, great job
[2017-03-18 18:19:06] sleger : j8: my thought is happy
[2017-03-18 18:19:13] sleger : i was expecting it in a dumb
[2017-03-18 18:19:14] MikeHunt : continental europe is fucked, get out while u still can
[2017-03-18 18:19:18] sleger : always ends up correcting anyways
[2017-03-18 18:19:32] Tetsuo : dat june spread
[2017-03-18 18:19:55] sleger : Tetsuo: feel free to put bids
[2017-03-18 18:20:02] Tetsuo : no thx
[2017-03-18 18:20:17] DoubleU : 5 BTC blocks last 2 hours.
[2017-03-18 18:20:25] sleger : Tetsuo: did bitmex clarify the settlement price in regards to fork ?
[2017-03-18 18:20:27] DoubleU : i'm sure lots of people waiting on their BTC to show up to dump on exchanges
[2017-03-18 18:20:45] Tetsuo : sleger: no
[2017-03-18 18:20:53] sleger : ....
[2017-03-18 18:21:11] zy : /sentiment
[2017-03-18 18:21:14] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 58.85 / 41.15 Daily : 60.45 / 39.55 Weekly : 56.47 / 43.53 Monthly : 52.51 / 47.49```
[2017-03-18 18:21:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 20 @ 0.110630
[2017-03-18 18:21:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 48 @ 0.111269
[2017-03-18 18:21:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 3 @ 0.111039
[2017-03-18 18:22:51] j8 : sleger: what do you think is the best solution
[2017-03-18 18:23:00] sleger : j8: wrt settlement price ?
[2017-03-18 18:23:04] j8 : yeah
[2017-03-18 18:23:12] sleger : honestly i dont really care, as long as its clear ASAP
[2017-03-18 18:23:22] j8 : yes
[2017-03-18 18:23:23] sleger : main "bitcoin" branch would make sense to me
[2017-03-18 18:23:38] sleger : but id rather get a stupid solution now than the good one later
[2017-03-18 18:24:58] j8 : kind of sucks for arbitrage if the future is only worth the value of one side.. at least that needs to be priced in
[2017-03-18 18:25:14] j8 : and you don't know which side it will be on
[2017-03-18 18:25:51] sleger : futures are just overpriced now
[2017-03-18 18:26:08] sleger : i already took my short so....
[2017-03-18 18:28:00] DoubleU : futures needs a bigger discount
[2017-03-18 18:28:07] DoubleU : this is when a $200 discount makes sense
[2017-03-18 18:28:43] DoubleU : by june we could have 2 or 3 different BTC forks. so about $330 is the price of each 3 coins
[2017-03-18 18:29:12] laisee : need some way to trade the fork
[2017-03-18 18:29:13] Tetsuo : http://www.bit-sim.trade/ almost at the top :-)
[2017-03-18 18:29:13] Tetsuo : only one to go
[2017-03-18 18:29:48] sleger : DoubleU: hey not bad for a newb
[2017-03-18 18:29:52] j8 : laisee: bitfinex is launching something
[2017-03-18 18:30:20] laisee : yes, BCC and BCU 'coins'
[2017-03-18 18:30:50] j8 : no doubt bitmex will want to jump on board, though it's a bit complicated when you only have btc collateral
[2017-03-18 18:30:54] sleger : most important question will not be long or short but where to be long where to be short, and where to keep coins
[2017-03-18 18:30:55] laisee : thinking something more advanced like KI/KO options
[2017-03-18 18:31:18] sleger : laisee: GL finding a market maker
[2017-03-18 18:31:30] mdsmm : why is my chart fucked
[2017-03-18 18:31:34] mdsmm : like every chart
[2017-03-18 18:31:37] mdsmm : it's just not there
[2017-03-18 18:31:45] startChat : haxed
[2017-03-18 18:32:26] laisee : sleger: not expecting popularity
[2017-03-18 18:32:31] mdsmm : trading by order book then
[2017-03-18 18:32:50] mdsmm : who of you plays overwatch?
[2017-03-18 18:33:02] DoubleU : that's why we need ethmex.com so we can short using ETH
[2017-03-18 18:33:06] DoubleU : as BTC crashes and burns
[2017-03-18 18:33:22] Tetsuo : +1
[2017-03-18 18:34:24] sleger : been short btcusd long ethusd for a while
[2017-03-18 18:34:32] sleger : surprised ethusd went down
[2017-03-18 18:34:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 1022 @ 982.18
[2017-03-18 18:34:39] shiroe : timber. again
[2017-03-18 18:34:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 4000 @ 984.49
[2017-03-18 18:35:07] DoubleU : new BTC hit exchanges with that block
[2017-03-18 18:35:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 3 @ 996.25 :punch: :whale:
[2017-03-18 18:35:31] DoubleU : we get a couple blocks in a row get ready for the big dump
[2017-03-18 18:35:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 1000 @ 6783.0
[2017-03-18 18:35:52] laisee : DoubleU: can you explain?
[2017-03-18 18:36:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 10000 @ 991.11
[2017-03-18 18:36:09] DoubleU : laisee: takes a few blocks before bitcoins show up on exchanges
[2017-03-18 18:36:13] DoubleU : we just had 5 blocks in 2 hours
[2017-03-18 18:36:21] DoubleU : so there is a backlog of coins waiting to be confirmed
[2017-03-18 18:36:35] laisee : why would that hurt the price so much?
[2017-03-18 18:36:35] DoubleU : we just had 2 blocks found and then a dump
[2017-03-18 18:36:51] DoubleU : so i guess someone just moved cold storage coins to the exchanges
[2017-03-18 18:36:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 6040 @ 990.12
[2017-03-18 18:36:56] zy : Sit back and chill folks
[2017-03-18 18:36:58] laisee : u know that miners can't spend coins immediately.
[2017-03-18 18:37:27] aethlios : btc lending rates in finex are 0.19% daily now
[2017-03-18 18:37:28] zy : I would give a million to have an AMA with satoshi now
[2017-03-18 18:37:32] Tetsuo : http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/11Y0gFuA-would-you-jump-into-a-bottomless-pit Starring into the abyss
[2017-03-18 18:37:35] DoubleU : it's not miners i'm worried about.
[2017-03-18 18:38:16] laisee : hmmm. we have had much bigger backlogs.
[2017-03-18 18:38:40] laisee : enjoy the dump regardless ....
[2017-03-18 18:40:26] DoubleU : DASH almost ATH
[2017-03-18 18:41:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 2 @ 6806.8 :punch: :whale:
[2017-03-18 18:41:32] REKT : Abandon the ship!
[2017-03-18 18:41:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 400 @ 0.113021
[2017-03-18 18:42:45] KyllingLolsson : Wow... btc wants down again
[2017-03-18 18:43:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1990 @ 989.08
[2017-03-18 18:43:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 17 @ 989.76
[2017-03-18 18:44:37] luric : Does anyone know why Ethereum Classic shot up and Ethereum nothing?
[2017-03-18 18:45:14] luric : Ethereum classic up 42%
[2017-03-18 18:45:32] KyllingLolsson : shit is wierd
[2017-03-18 18:45:41] HatZpApA : because of the market cap that makes buyers less powerful ?
[2017-03-18 18:45:49] aethlios : very important investment decisions must be taken next months.
[2017-03-18 18:45:52] j8 : luric: someone bought way over market
[2017-03-18 18:46:03] j8 : it's just one trade
[2017-03-18 18:46:34] luric : I'm buying Ethereum, it might do something
[2017-03-18 18:47:03] mdsmm : exiting times
[2017-03-18 18:47:06] mdsmm : i'm off
[2017-03-18 18:47:09] mdsmm : time to get drunkkkkk
[2017-03-18 18:47:24] mdsmm : have fun xo
[2017-03-18 18:47:43] thomaskikansha : predicted funding at cap...possible shortened funding period?
[2017-03-18 18:48:19] Apocalyptic : thomaskikansha: yes it would be nice to have that 2h funding schedule
[2017-03-18 18:48:32] shiroe : /price
[2017-03-18 18:48:36] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 990.99 (0.79%) Bitfinex : 983.70 (0.28%) The Woodchipper : 998.00 (-0.14%) itBit : 987.81 (-0.21%) Kraken : 981.26 (0.13%) GDAX : 989.70 (0.49%) SLQ : 2 hours, 17 mins```
[2017-03-18 18:49:12] javierstone : gnarly
[2017-03-18 18:50:48] DoubleU : DASH big market buys
[2017-03-18 18:51:38] DoubleU : wonder how many friends Roger has
[2017-03-18 18:53:14] luric : thanks j8, it's coming down. Still buying Ethereum, it's due to rise
[2017-03-18 18:53:52] aethlios : bitmex you must change to 2hour funding
[2017-03-18 18:54:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 4000 @ 987.66
[2017-03-18 18:54:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 986.11
[2017-03-18 18:54:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2400 @ 985.67
[2017-03-18 18:54:47] Dynamix : Dumping time :D
[2017-03-18 18:54:50] Dynamix : rekts incomming
[2017-03-18 18:54:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 985.23
[2017-03-18 18:54:52] Apocalyptic : aethlios: seems like no staff is around
[2017-03-18 18:54:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 2337 @ 966.61
[2017-03-18 18:55:02] Apocalyptic : I proposed the change a while ago
[2017-03-18 18:55:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1513 @ 983.64
[2017-03-18 18:55:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 8925 @ 983.17
[2017-03-18 18:55:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 981.49
[2017-03-18 18:55:57] j8 : @BitMEX_Sam @BitMEX_Wally
[2017-03-18 18:57:48] BitMEX_Sam : We are keeping an eye on the market but we have not judged it necessary to switch funding rates yet
[2017-03-18 18:58:03] hmmmYea : BitMEX_Sam: TURBO!!!
[2017-03-18 18:58:11] DoubleU : once the big flush out dump happens the dip buyers will be back on swap
[2017-03-18 18:58:25] hmmmYea : turbo turbo turbo turbo
[2017-03-18 18:58:27] j8 : BitMEX_Sam: what are your criteria
[2017-03-18 18:58:36] hmmmYea : j8: trollbox chanting
[2017-03-18 18:59:00] aethlios : BitMEX_Sam: discount will widden btc lending rates go to the roof, all contracts will go deep discount
[2017-03-18 18:59:04] j8 : also if you wait 1 hour then you have to wait another 8 hours
[2017-03-18 18:59:11] Apocalyptic : BitMEX_Sam: this looks like extreme volatility, and swap is going to be soon over 1% away from mark
[2017-03-18 19:02:42] j8 : it's a great idea to have the funding react more quickly, but kind of pointless if you wait until it's too late
[2017-03-18 19:02:48] aethlios : BitMEX_Sam: you could make a rule if funding has two consequent caps in a row then you go to 2hour.
[2017-03-18 19:03:50] j8 : one should be enough. hitting the cap means the funding isn't big enough
[2017-03-18 19:04:10] Apocalyptic : j8: swap briefly had a $15 distance to mark just now
[2017-03-18 19:04:44] j8 : i'm well aware
[2017-03-18 19:04:48] L9 : Isn't a BTC dump just a hysteria?
[2017-03-18 19:05:46] KyllingLolsson : L9: in my opinon yes
[2017-03-18 19:06:12] laisee : fear vs greed ... the eternal battle
[2017-03-18 19:07:26] L9 : @KyllingLolsson I just don't see the reason to sell my BTC if one more useless coin had been announced
[2017-03-18 19:08:27] Sultan Pepper : Come on, just $180 to break even
[2017-03-18 19:08:49] KyllingLolsson : L9: in my opinon yes
[2017-03-18 19:08:53] KyllingLolsson : L9: I just ride the waves, no matter of my belifs. However, btc will be revolutionary long term (10-20 years). Its like bying stocks in microsoft 1970.
[2017-03-18 19:09:38] Tetsuo : KyllingLolsson: i bought Microsoft stocks when i was about 12 years old
[2017-03-18 19:09:42] Tetsuo : sold them when i was 14 :-(
[2017-03-18 19:09:49] KyllingLolsson : damn :P
[2017-03-18 19:09:51] Tetsuo : was about 1991
[2017-03-18 19:10:02] L9 : I am an intraday trader
[2017-03-18 19:10:45] zanza : this exchange is making about 70+ BTC in fees today
[2017-03-18 19:10:48] zanza : nice business!
[2017-03-18 19:11:04] L9 : zanza: Use limit orders
[2017-03-18 19:16:46] aili : BitMEX_Sam: Hi, wanted to ask you a question, if i have Bitcoin on balance at the time of the fork, we you make Bitcoin Unlimited available for withdrawal and trading?
[2017-03-18 19:18:19] L9 : Have seen lots liquidations today... Stop loss is a vital here...
[2017-03-18 19:18:30] PARAFFIN : zec dump incomming
[2017-03-18 19:18:32] rapidgains : L9: stop loss?
[2017-03-18 19:18:41] rapidgains : risk management?
[2017-03-18 19:18:50] rapidgains : where's the trill in that
[2017-03-18 19:18:58] L9 : rapidgains: Stop limit orders
[2017-03-18 19:19:13] L9 : I use them to cut losses
[2017-03-18 19:19:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 5300 @ 993.65
[2017-03-18 19:21:13] aron : did anyone ever think that btc would go down so much?
[2017-03-18 19:21:26] aron : good time to buy btc?
[2017-03-18 19:21:32] javierstone : yes and yes
[2017-03-18 19:21:36] DoubleU : BTC went $1242 to $160 a few years ago
[2017-03-18 19:21:45] aron : damn
[2017-03-18 19:21:52] aron : but nothing happened in BTC market
[2017-03-18 19:21:55] aron : why is it going down
[2017-03-18 19:22:13] L9 : aron: I would wait for a clear bullish trend than buy it
[2017-03-18 19:22:32] aron : Dont tell me the fork is doing this
[2017-03-18 19:22:42] aron : i need a good /joke to lighten the mood
[2017-03-18 19:22:45] aron : /joke
[2017-03-18 19:22:47] trollbot : ``` Obama smoked weed growing up, and now look where he is today Unemployed with two kids and recently evicted ```
[2017-03-18 19:22:55] aron : stolen from reddit...
[2017-03-18 19:22:59] aron : /joke
[2017-03-18 19:23:02] trollbot : ``` A horse walks into a bar. The bartender asks: 'Why the long face?'' The horse, incapable of human speech, shits on the floor and leaves.```
[2017-03-18 19:23:15] aron : stolen from reddit again...
[2017-03-18 19:23:25] DoubleU : maybe reddit stole it from the bot
[2017-03-18 19:23:29] aron : tru
[2017-03-18 19:23:49] DoubleU : and why are you on reddit for jokes
[2017-03-18 19:23:50] L9 : aron: Mass hysteria, is doing a dump.
[2017-03-18 19:24:07] aron : DoubleU what do u use reddit for?
[2017-03-18 19:24:10] aron : L9 unlikely
[2017-03-18 19:24:23] aron : DoubleU i use it for new and stuff
[2017-03-18 19:24:42] aili : BitMEX_Sam: ?
[2017-03-18 19:25:19] aron : how long does bitmex take to realise ive deposited btc?
[2017-03-18 19:25:31] Tetsuo : 1 conirmation
[2017-03-18 19:25:37] L9 : aron: I guess Big Guys are dumping do buy it cheap and gain profit in fiat. Then it will go up
[2017-03-18 19:25:53] Tetsuo : L9: there is no "cheap" in a dying coin
[2017-03-18 19:26:10] aron : what make u think it die?
[2017-03-18 19:26:32] Tetsuo : hardfork might split it
[2017-03-18 19:26:52] aron : so?
[2017-03-18 19:27:16] aron : Forgive me if this is stupid but if its split into 2 coins shouldnt it double in value?
[2017-03-18 19:27:21] Tetsuo : lol
[2017-03-18 19:27:24] aron : supply is halved
[2017-03-18 19:27:33] Tetsuo : no it´s not
[2017-03-18 19:27:39] oo : what the fork
[2017-03-18 19:27:47] oo : forking fork
[2017-03-18 19:28:01] aron : im shorting xbt and making losses
[2017-03-18 19:28:10] aron : i just cant win
[2017-03-18 19:28:32] aron : good trading tip?
[2017-03-18 19:28:53] juster : aron: do the opposite
[2017-03-18 19:29:03] aron : lol
[2017-03-18 19:30:08] oo : no. you must reduce leverage and hold position.
[2017-03-18 19:30:19] aron : ive put leverage as 10x
[2017-03-18 19:30:27] aron : im shorting 10 usd worth
[2017-03-18 19:30:34] HatZpApA : just wait then
[2017-03-18 19:30:36] oo : x2 or x3 is reasonable
[2017-03-18 19:30:38] aron : i have 700 usd worth bitcoin in total
[2017-03-18 19:30:40] luric : study candle stick formations aron, forget about the news and go technical
[2017-03-18 19:30:59] aron : i just want to protect the real value of my btc
[2017-03-18 19:31:05] aron : my plan is to short it everday
[2017-03-18 19:31:12] aron : if it goes down i profit
[2017-03-18 19:31:23] aron : if it goes up i dont lose cause my btc gain in value
[2017-03-18 19:31:32] aron : in terms of GBP
[2017-03-18 19:32:09] gustavo7 : aron: to hedge make the short on one contract where you don't trade, for example the quarterlies where you can catch some great overpricing
[2017-03-18 19:32:09] L9 : aron: I would avoiding trading on news
[2017-03-18 19:32:31] aron : quarterlies?
[2017-03-18 19:32:44] gustavo7 : XBTM17 (June)
[2017-03-18 19:33:49] L9 : Now in my opinion only scalping strategies would work. Keeping position only minute or two. And tight stops.
[2017-03-18 19:35:34] aethlios : hedge now that still at par.
[2017-03-18 19:36:17] L9 : I tried hedging, later it's hard to close both positions in profi
[2017-03-18 19:39:00] aethlios : i hedged all my crypto capital in btc with june bitmex okcoin at 15 usd premium, also have a 100k long swap hedged with short finex with borrowed btc for 30 days at 0.02% daily. so will stay receiving funding and watch the news.
[2017-03-18 19:39:08] shiroe : /price
[2017-03-18 19:39:13] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 985.20 (-0.58%) Bitfinex : 983.30 (-0.04%) The Woodchipper : 994.53 (-0.35%) itBit : 986.61 (-0.12%) Kraken : 976.06 (-0.53%) GDAX : 983.97 (-0.58%) SLQ : 50 mins```
[2017-03-18 19:39:26] Cliveyboy1 : Oddly enough this morning Ive brought a book on understanding the candlesticks - thats before this afternoon happened!
[2017-03-18 19:40:06] DoubleU : ETH starts moving and market maker leaves. so manipulative
[2017-03-18 19:43:02] L9 : I see the all historical BTC trendd as bullish let's hope it's just a correction on histeria around possible fork.
[2017-03-18 20:00:13] Ahhere : Would it be retarded to put 1% crypto in dash..?
[2017-03-18 20:02:18] gustavo7 : i think dash is gonna rally again
[2017-03-18 20:02:46] gustavo7 : when bitcoin drops that is
[2017-03-18 20:03:11] DoubleU : only a few hundred BTC needed to pump DASH a lot
[2017-03-18 20:10:13] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-03-18 20:10:15] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 49.13 / 50.87 Daily : 60.45 / 39.56 Weekly : 56.54 / 43.46 Monthly : 52.57 / 47.43```
[2017-03-18 20:11:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 979.47
[2017-03-18 20:12:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 978.78
[2017-03-18 20:12:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 100 @ 978.91
[2017-03-18 20:12:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1300 @ 978.11
[2017-03-18 20:12:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1333 @ 976.13
[2017-03-18 20:12:32] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2017-03-18 20:12:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 129 @ 976.02
[2017-03-18 20:13:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2000 @ 973.42
[2017-03-18 20:13:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 3000 @ 971.33
[2017-03-18 20:14:20] PARAFFIN : /rekt
[2017-03-18 20:14:21] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 4 hours, 32 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 433685 @ 960.49 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 4 hours, 40 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 355167 @ 974.56 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 4 hours, 43 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 656927 @ 985.40 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ```
[2017-03-18 20:14:40] PARAFFIN : shit man 656927 is crazyp
[2017-03-18 20:15:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 100 @ 0.037210
[2017-03-18 20:17:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 200 @ 0.117307
[2017-03-18 20:17:26] DoubleU : keep trying to short DASH
[2017-03-18 20:19:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 3 @ 0.119620
[2017-03-18 20:19:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 3 @ 0.119293
[2017-03-18 20:20:06] rapidgains : DoubleU: usually i dont feel bad for people who short pumps
[2017-03-18 20:20:30] rapidgains : but man, this pump really stumped alot of people
[2017-03-18 20:20:34] rapidgains : lol
[2017-03-18 20:21:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 17 @ 0.120264
[2017-03-18 20:21:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 2000 @ 958.60
[2017-03-18 20:21:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 161 @ 0.120722
[2017-03-18 20:21:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 6000 @ 967.39
[2017-03-18 20:23:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 3 @ 0.122059
[2017-03-18 20:23:23] Tetsuo : REKT so busy!
[2017-03-18 20:23:36] PARAFFIN : REKT: hi bab<y
[2017-03-18 20:23:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5500 @ 965.14
[2017-03-18 20:24:11] DoubleU : new quarterly almost all time low
[2017-03-18 20:24:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 400 @ 963.72
[2017-03-18 20:24:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 45 @ 961.92
[2017-03-18 20:24:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 48000 @ 962.76
[2017-03-18 20:24:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 962.98
[2017-03-18 20:24:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 963.16
[2017-03-18 20:27:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 110 @ 967.57
[2017-03-18 20:27:36] rapidgains : LOL
[2017-03-18 20:27:42] DoubleU : rekt both sides
[2017-03-18 20:27:45] DoubleU : no one is safe
[2017-03-18 20:28:03] CapitalGains : 1x shorters on BTC are safe
[2017-03-18 20:29:07] rangle : *no one who is overleveraged is safe
[2017-03-18 20:29:30] Dnavid : /support
[2017-03-18 20:29:58] PARAFFIN : eth?
[2017-03-18 20:30:12] Dnavid : sorry, wrong chat
[2017-03-18 20:30:28] DoubleU : ETH had a fake out break out
[2017-03-18 20:31:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 660 @ 954.95
[2017-03-18 20:31:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 100 @ 964.18
[2017-03-18 20:31:29] Dynamix : Down we go
[2017-03-18 20:31:29] Dynamix : :D
[2017-03-18 20:34:59] rapidtrades : FUK UR LYFE BITCORNSERS
[2017-03-18 20:35:33] Ahhere : rapidtrades: so mean
[2017-03-18 20:35:45] aethlios : change to 2hours @bitmex
[2017-03-18 20:35:59] PARAFFIN : rapidtrades: suzh badboy
[2017-03-18 20:36:03] rapidtrades : aethlios: where u buyin?
[2017-03-18 20:37:20] MooPoo : We looking at a $900 floor?
[2017-03-18 20:38:00] DoubleU : MooPoo: bulls hope so. longers too
[2017-03-18 20:38:03] rangle : china doesnt care about $900
[2017-03-18 20:38:03] aethlios : rapidtrades: hedged yesterday all my capital with june here and okcoin, and i am 100k long swap hedged also. won't buy until fork, will buy heavily the core coin. (based on available info at this time, may change opinion based on new facts.) my real btc will give me free btu since i am hedged.
[2017-03-18 20:38:37] rapidgains : sleger
[2017-03-18 20:38:39] rapidgains : https://twitter.com/AceOfWallStreet/status/843199357105127427
[2017-03-18 20:38:40] aethlios : and let it ride.
[2017-03-18 20:38:47] rapidgains : this guy is pretending to be you
[2017-03-18 20:38:56] DoubleU : DASH ATH
[2017-03-18 20:39:22] aethlios : rapidtrades: also i am long ltc, Lisk, !ST, VTC.
[2017-03-18 20:39:47] rapidtrades : ha! ur LTC aint doing so hot bra!
[2017-03-18 20:39:52] MooPoo : I seriously haven't got a clue wtf going on. Somebody spending a lot to keep a stable btc/eth range .
[2017-03-18 20:41:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 1 @ 0.123752
[2017-03-18 20:41:03] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 5 @ 0.124256
[2017-03-18 20:41:03] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 12 @ 0.124336
[2017-03-18 20:41:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 3000 @ 963.19
[2017-03-18 20:41:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 350 @ 962.51