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[2017-03-18 15:46:34] laisee : Actualiteit: I am a geek, not a trader.
[2017-03-18 15:46:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 30000 @ 966.84
[2017-03-18 15:47:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `DASH7D`: sell 402 @ 0.102685
[2017-03-18 15:47:07] mahouni : Gdax is a joke it was like 20-50 usd higher when going up now lower
[2017-03-18 15:47:13] Yuppie : reversal
[2017-03-18 15:47:21] JT : versus dead cat
[2017-03-18 15:47:23] Yuppie : DASH breaking
[2017-03-18 15:47:45] Farzad : guys do u see the index on June contract ?
[2017-03-18 15:47:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `DASH7D`: sell 1 @ 0.102023
[2017-03-18 15:48:36] j8 : Farzad: yeah it's the new 4 way, GDAX is bringing it down
[2017-03-18 15:48:51] Farzad : j8: It is not showing on my chart !
[2017-03-18 15:48:53] zoidbergo : Why is LTC frozen??
[2017-03-18 15:49:02] aethlios : dash only up, xmr eth dumping, looks nice short but can't trust manipulators
[2017-03-18 15:49:02] j8 : oh i dunno, don't use the chart
[2017-03-18 15:49:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `DASH7D`: sell 25 @ 0.099906
[2017-03-18 15:49:22] laisee : who trades on charts?
[2017-03-18 15:49:34] mahouni : idiots
[2017-03-18 15:49:41] aethlios : we are below etf low.
[2017-03-18 15:49:58] laisee : I just read reddit and calc what I need for next rent payment
[2017-03-18 15:50:07] DoubleU : "Deleverage"
[2017-03-18 15:50:11] Farzad : is there anyway to add index price to chart ?
[2017-03-18 15:50:13] DoubleU : at least it was at the top
[2017-03-18 15:50:26] elmorte : Farzad: isn't that the purple line?
[2017-03-18 15:50:40] Farzad : elmorte: I dont have it on my June contract
[2017-03-18 15:50:43] aethlios : whan cold storage panic starts??
[2017-03-18 15:50:49] cmwprice : Support at 940 or am I wrong?
[2017-03-18 15:50:55] elmorte : Farzad: hmm, me neither
[2017-03-18 15:50:55] cmwprice : /sentiment
[2017-03-18 15:50:57] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 66.93 / 33.07 Daily : 63.01 / 36.99 Weekly : 56.96 / 43.04 Monthly : 52.51 / 47.49```
[2017-03-18 15:51:00] Apocalyptic : @aethlios I would say about now
[2017-03-18 15:51:17] aethlios : maybe if we cross ema200 on daily.
[2017-03-18 15:51:23] l3f : aethlios: Somebody market sold 3k btc already
[2017-03-18 15:51:23] l3f : on stamp
[2017-03-18 15:51:28] l3f : shit was cray cray
[2017-03-18 15:51:30] Yuppie : /price
[2017-03-18 15:51:33] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 953.00 (0.07%) Bitfinex : 951.10 (0.12%) The Woodchipper : 972.80 (0.39%) itBit : 951.39 (0.55%) Kraken : 949.96 (0.52%) GDAX : 936.89 (0.74%) SLQ : 5 mins```
[2017-03-18 15:51:47] Sultan Pepper : Oh. My. Gard.
[2017-03-18 15:51:57] elmorte : Farzad: right click, Compare or Add: BXBT30M
[2017-03-18 15:52:07] l3f : I thought bitcoin would never be below 1k again
[2017-03-18 15:52:08] l3f : lmao
[2017-03-18 15:52:16] Apocalyptic : Sultan Pepper: bought the dip yet ?
[2017-03-18 15:52:55] laisee : l3f: betcha it hits 1XX if hard fork gets delayed
[2017-03-18 15:53:06] Tetsuo : Wow , even my precious Ripple pumped hard
[2017-03-18 15:53:19] Farzad : elmorte: It doesnt add anything !
[2017-03-18 15:53:23] l3f : Tetsuo: This has been a glorious day
[2017-03-18 15:53:27] elmorte : Farzad: select Add, not Compare
[2017-03-18 15:53:40] mdsmm : will it ever go up again wtf
[2017-03-18 15:53:42] Farzad : elmorte: I did, did it get fixed for u ?
[2017-03-18 15:53:50] Tetsuo : mdsmm: no
[2017-03-18 15:54:15] elmorte : Farzad: BXBT worked...BXBT30M no
[2017-03-18 15:54:21] Sultan Pepper : Apocalyptic: i did
[2017-03-18 15:54:25] Sultan Pepper : at 1160
[2017-03-18 15:54:29] KingTuna : no bounce?
[2017-03-18 15:54:41] Apocalyptic : Sultan Pepper: seems like it's not working out this tome
[2017-03-18 15:54:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJH17`: sell 80 @ 114264
[2017-03-18 15:54:43] Apocalyptic : *time
[2017-03-18 15:54:56] Sultan Pepper : Apocalyptic: seems you're right
[2017-03-18 15:55:04] Apocalyptic : who knew
[2017-03-18 15:55:07] Farzad : elmorte: yes, BXBT works
[2017-03-18 15:55:10] laisee : BTC is deceased, no more, has left this mortal coil. No longer brreathing ...
[2017-03-18 15:55:26] elmorte : laisee: dead. abandon ship
[2017-03-18 15:55:46] laisee : Sell all you have, and then keep selling.
[2017-03-18 15:55:48] arbitrage101 : 955 is not dead lol
[2017-03-18 15:55:57] arbitrage101 : dead is when it go below 100
[2017-03-18 15:56:15] laisee : < 100 is a great buy ;-)
[2017-03-18 15:56:25] arbitrage101 : are you sure?
[2017-03-18 15:56:30] l3f : Not sure where to put bids now
[2017-03-18 15:56:31] l3f : lmao
[2017-03-18 15:56:41] Farzad : SELL BTC, BUY WIFEEEE
[2017-03-18 15:56:45] Xeth : I don't understand you fellas, you're all quite panicky
[2017-03-18 15:56:48] laisee : yup. I saw BTC go from 1K+ to 160 and nback again
[2017-03-18 15:56:57] mdsmm : Xeth: what's your point?
[2017-03-18 15:56:58] arbitrage101 : laisee: same here
[2017-03-18 15:57:06] arbitrage101 : may not be lucky everytime
[2017-03-18 15:57:17] Xeth : The price here, the names, it's all panic, that's the actual cause of the fluctuation :D
[2017-03-18 15:57:32] laisee : The code remains ... price will go up and down.
[2017-03-18 15:57:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 250 @ 974.69
[2017-03-18 15:58:03] laisee : Bitcoin is dead and we (short) traders @ BItmex killed him!
[2017-03-18 15:58:13] Xeth : When you guys have names like apocalyptic and random users see you panic here, they think, ooh traders they must know shit, and they are selling shits bad etc. when really it's absolutely normal for btc to fluctuate like this. XD
[2017-03-18 15:58:13] Yuppie : Let's break the 1,000 again
[2017-03-18 15:58:22] Xeth : It's all psychological
[2017-03-18 15:58:34] etoque : doge and ltc will make big
[2017-03-18 15:58:40] l3f : Reload shorts
[2017-03-18 15:58:45] laisee : typical trading chat shit ... happens in every market
[2017-03-18 15:58:52] Xeth : Dodge and ltc will grow the moment more people get to use them
[2017-03-18 15:58:54] Apocalyptic : Xeth: yes it's all because of my nick
[2017-03-18 15:59:01] Xeth : Nah, it's just part of it XD
[2017-03-18 15:59:07] Apocalyptic : I' causing this dump right now
[2017-03-18 15:59:08] alfaCharlie : Xeth: (y) well said
[2017-03-18 15:59:19] laisee : Xeth: my nic is ironic, in case you were wondering
[2017-03-18 15:59:23] Xeth : no man chill you're a very low part of it under 1%
[2017-03-18 15:59:55] rapidtrades : noooooo we were so close
[2017-03-18 15:59:58] Xeth : under less than that to be sure but still people get panicky bitcoin will not die soon, it's still too useful
[2017-03-18 16:00:00] rapidtrades : DIE U CUNT DIE
[2017-03-18 16:00:10] Xeth : and still the most used crypto everywhere
[2017-03-18 16:00:25] rapidtrades : Xeth: kindly, f off
[2017-03-18 16:00:37] Xeth : In fact if you all would keep positive the effect would be growth in price :P
[2017-03-18 16:00:44] Xeth : And not just here you're other tabs too
[2017-03-18 16:00:51] Xeth : your*
[2017-03-18 16:00:53] Xeth : fkin phones
[2017-03-18 16:00:56] JT : take your positive attitude OUTTA HERE
[2017-03-18 16:01:07] JT : :)
[2017-03-18 16:01:21] zanza : /rekt
[2017-03-18 16:01:21] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 19 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 433685 @ 960.49 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 27 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 355167 @ 974.56 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ``` ``` 30 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 656927 @ 985.40 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ```
[2017-03-18 16:01:22] Yuppie : /price
[2017-03-18 16:01:25] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 971.00 (1.89%) Bitfinex : 964.44 (1.40%) The Woodchipper : 984.12 (1.16%) itBit : 972.56 (2.23%) Kraken : 969.96 (2.11%) GDAX : 963.76 (2.87%) SLQ : 9 mins```
[2017-03-18 16:01:34] aethlios : i m thinking of short dash in usd, all alts down.
[2017-03-18 16:01:47] Xeth : I'm actually having fun on you saying that :D
[2017-03-18 16:01:51] Yuppie : DASH is close to a big selloff
[2017-03-18 16:02:05] Yuppie : 0.10 just holding up now
[2017-03-18 16:03:49] l3f : aethlios: Looks like we'll hit 800 soon at this rate
[2017-03-18 16:04:21] Yuppie : Polo website is unbelievable
[2017-03-18 16:04:27] Yuppie : I wonder how you trade there...
[2017-03-18 16:04:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 600 @ 971.57
[2017-03-18 16:04:43] elmorte : Yuppie: open the mobile version on desktop
[2017-03-18 16:05:42] aethlios : what a trap that etf was.
[2017-03-18 16:05:47] PARAFFIN : 883 eur...
[2017-03-18 16:05:56] Xeth : Point still stands, btc remains the most widely used, the others are growing of course, but none of you know which of them are the ones which will succeed in the end.
[2017-03-18 16:07:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM17`: buy 400 @ 986.45
[2017-03-18 16:07:23] Yuppie : elmorte: Thx, somehow it's always going to Desktop with me...
[2017-03-18 16:07:36] elmorte : m.polo...
[2017-03-18 16:08:10] Yuppie : elmorte: cool, thanks. Didn't think of that.
[2017-03-18 16:08:19] mdsmm : fuck too late for dash
[2017-03-18 16:08:24] mdsmm : was getting a fucking cola haha
[2017-03-18 16:08:48] shiroe : /price
[2017-03-18 16:08:52] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 970.01 (-0.10%) Bitfinex : 965.10 (0.07%) The Woodchipper : 987.05 (0.30%) itBit : 969.68 (-0.30%) Kraken : 959.93 (-1.03%) GDAX : 968.67 (0.51%) SLQ : 7 mins```
[2017-03-18 16:09:09] shiroe : back to 1k!
[2017-03-18 16:09:31] aethlios : panic will accellerate if BU has above 50% hash rate
[2017-03-18 16:11:20] j8 : polo is pretty crappy, i just realized i still have a position i tried to close yesterday
[2017-03-18 16:11:27] l3f : Looks like we're bottoming out
[2017-03-18 16:12:23] elmorte : l3f: no 800?
[2017-03-18 16:12:47] lugo : no short rekts yet?
[2017-03-18 16:14:33] mdsmm : so
[2017-03-18 16:16:18] cryptoyolo : we going back to 1020
[2017-03-18 16:18:33] REKT : Have a bowl of chop-chop suey!
[2017-03-18 16:18:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 1600 @ 0.039260
[2017-03-18 16:19:26] mdsmm : that's the first
[2017-03-18 16:20:33] traderMOM : more to come ~4000
[2017-03-18 16:20:49] mdsmm : rekts?
[2017-03-18 16:20:57] ThruTheFloor : Sweet, time to short more ETH
[2017-03-18 16:21:22] mdsmm : aaah thought you talking about btc
[2017-03-18 16:22:43] traderMOM : mdsmm: yup.
[2017-03-18 16:22:55] traderMOM : ThruTheFloor: friendly advice. Dont do it
[2017-03-18 16:23:02] emcor : I LOVE YOU GUYS!
[2017-03-18 16:23:12] emcor : KEEP PAYING ME MORE AND I BE NICER ON CHAT!
[2017-03-18 16:23:19] emcor : deal?
[2017-03-18 16:23:35] traderMOM : emcor: high yet?
[2017-03-18 16:23:43] mdsmm : look at sell orders ETH
[2017-03-18 16:23:45] mdsmm : hooooo
[2017-03-18 16:23:49] mdsmm : vs buy
[2017-03-18 16:26:24] zy : chill
[2017-03-18 16:29:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 10 @ 0.038700
[2017-03-18 16:30:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 48 @ 0.108724
[2017-03-18 16:30:23] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 100 @ 0.108671
[2017-03-18 16:31:13] Yuppie : /price
[2017-03-18 16:31:16] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 983.20 (1.36%) Bitfinex : 981.00 (1.65%) The Woodchipper : 999.40 (1.25%) itBit : 989.93 (2.09%) Kraken : 979.99 (2.09%) GDAX : 984.83 (1.67%) SLQ : 22 mins```
[2017-03-18 16:31:22] mdsmm : /sentiment
[2017-03-18 16:31:25] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 51.07 / 48.93 Daily : 60.97 / 39.03 Weekly : 56.50 / 43.50 Monthly : 52.42 / 47.58```
[2017-03-18 16:31:39] mdsmm : market getting slower, going to eat a bit
[2017-03-18 16:31:39] Yuppie : Polo was overloaded
[2017-03-18 16:31:40] mdsmm : have fun
[2017-03-18 16:36:19] mdsmm : lol watch
[2017-03-18 16:36:35] mdsmm : The chinese chat: them rekt
[2017-03-18 16:36:57] traderMOM : enjoy
[2017-03-18 16:37:58] CrazyAlfy : What will BitMEX use to track BTC spot in the event of a persistent fork? Perhaps adding the two coins ticker values together should be considered BTC?
[2017-03-18 16:39:22] rapidtrades : can't get shit executed on btce
[2017-03-18 16:41:03] Apocalyptic : CrazyAlfy: addind doesn't make sense
[2017-03-18 16:41:57] rapidtrades : bitmex will follow Core
[2017-03-18 16:42:06] juster : BTC stays BTC
[2017-03-18 16:42:22] juster : Even if goes to 0
[2017-03-18 16:42:55] CrazyAlfy : That makes no sense..
[2017-03-18 16:43:23] j8 : it wouldn't make much sense to add the value of an altcoin to the btc index either
[2017-03-18 16:43:37] j8 : they do need to clarify some things though
[2017-03-18 16:43:53] CrazyAlfy : Imagine Core Coin goes to zero and BTU coin gets support.. How do you define Bitcoin. I don't define it as Core or BTU.
[2017-03-18 16:44:11] rapidtrades : ITS CORE SHUT THE HELL UP
[2017-03-18 16:44:17] rapidtrades : these f newbs man
[2017-03-18 16:44:23] mike23aa : is support here?
[2017-03-18 16:44:32] juster : rapidtrades: They helped your short for a bit
[2017-03-18 16:44:32] CrazyAlfy : I'm no newbie..
[2017-03-18 16:44:41] Xeth : Bitcoin = core
[2017-03-18 16:44:51] Xeth : Bitcoin Unlimited = something else like a new coin
[2017-03-18 16:45:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 8000 @ 983.43
[2017-03-18 16:45:28] CliffaryHilton : bitcoin core... MORE LIKE BITCOIN BORE!
[2017-03-18 16:45:33] Tux26 : Xeth: Bitcoin = Chain with highest hashrate
[2017-03-18 16:45:36] CrazyAlfy : No, Core is a client. BTU is a client. Bitcoin is something else.
[2017-03-18 16:45:53] rapidtrades : bitmex already posted on blog that they will follow the statement from the exchanges, so IT WILL BE CORE SHUT UP
[2017-03-18 16:45:57] Xeth : In reality, it's a software that steals the old version
[2017-03-18 16:46:00] CliffaryHilton : BITCOIN UNLIMITED SAVED MY MARRIAGE
[2017-03-18 16:46:04] rapidtrades : its not a matter of discussion
[2017-03-18 16:46:53] CrazyAlfy : Tux26: That makes more sense. Exchanges will fold on promises if BTU has a major majority on hash rate before the fork.
[2017-03-18 16:47:08] j8 : rapidtrades: it's not really that clear, all the reference exchanges could switch the ticker symbol
[2017-03-18 16:47:40] Yuppie : DASH orderbook lol
[2017-03-18 16:47:48] rapidtrades : noone will support BU with their shit developers
[2017-03-18 16:47:59] j8 : would be nice if that was true
[2017-03-18 16:48:00] rapidtrades : ppl will change the mining algo if needed to prevent that
[2017-03-18 16:48:03] mdsmm : rapidtrades: +1
[2017-03-18 16:48:13] PARAFFIN : ahh look alphabay now supports ETHEREUM
[2017-03-18 16:48:23] juster : supporting soon
[2017-03-18 16:48:24] j8 : yeah but then it's even less clear which is the "true" coin, if both fork
[2017-03-18 16:48:27] PARAFFIN : on May 1st, 2017.
[2017-03-18 16:48:31] DoubleU : Can we get bitmex to add a prediction market so we can guess on next btc
[2017-03-18 16:48:36] CrazyAlfy : rapidtrades: You are wrong. Develpers will come in droves if enough support follows the coin.
[2017-03-18 16:48:36] mdsmm : rapidtrades: you're one the few h ere who doesn't talk shit haha
[2017-03-18 16:48:40] mdsmm : along with some others
[2017-03-18 16:48:43] mdsmm : +1 to you
[2017-03-18 16:48:51] juster : Which is why BTU failed. They tried to steal BTC ticker and got denied
[2017-03-18 16:48:57] rapidtrades : i know, tnx @mdsmm
[2017-03-18 16:48:59] l3f : Who survived that dump?
[2017-03-18 16:49:15] juster : not over yet?
[2017-03-18 16:49:31] l3f : No
[2017-03-18 16:49:36] hmmmYea : which blockchain dominates is going to get the ticker, if its a close call then core will keep btc
[2017-03-18 16:49:36] l3f : we'll consolidate a bit
[2017-03-18 16:49:46] juster : hmmmYea: nope
[2017-03-18 16:50:04] Xeth : Bitcoin Unlimited = a software/ Details: It plans to steal bitcoin's identity and change the rules. That's the reality.
[2017-03-18 16:50:38] hmmmYea : juster: lol. ok. you think a bunch of businesses are going to try to educate the pblic that BTC is no longer bitcoin... no cahnce
[2017-03-18 16:50:51] CrazyAlfy : Xeth: Please define Bitcoin.
[2017-03-18 16:51:04] hmmmYea : if unlimited wins and becomes "bitcoin".... then btc will be its ticker
[2017-03-18 16:51:48] Xeth : Bitcoin core is the original bitcoin, defined by it's blockchain which is still a software, I can always make a software compatible with that blockchain. There's your definition for both.
[2017-03-18 16:51:49] hmmmYea : CrazyAlfy: why ETH is ETH and ETC is ETC... even though ETC is the "real" chain
[2017-03-18 16:52:08] arbitrage101 : buttcoin should reign supreme
[2017-03-18 16:52:14] hmmmYea : its a coordination game.. and whichever wins consensus is "bitcoin"
[2017-03-18 16:52:42] juster : "As exchanges, we have a responsibility to maintain orderly markets that trade continuously 24/7/365. It is incumbent upon us to support a coherent, orderly and industry-wide approach to preparing for and responding to a contentious hard fork. In the case of a bitcoin hard fork, we cannot suspend operations and wait for a winner to emerge."
[2017-03-18 16:53:05] hmmmYea : juster: yea duh
[2017-03-18 16:53:20] hmmmYea : ive read all the statements... but longer if core loses people will switchover
[2017-03-18 16:53:28] hmmmYea : longer term*
[2017-03-18 16:53:35] Xeth : The ones who decide which bitcoin version wins, are the ones who process transactions
[2017-03-18 16:54:01] omnomnom : Xeth: not if their version has no space in blocks for transactions
[2017-03-18 16:54:06] juster : Core branch could always be picked up my miners in the future. So they can't "move over"
[2017-03-18 16:54:07] CrazyAlfy : hmmmYea: I agree. Consensus is a human idea without a clear definition in crypto.
[2017-03-18 16:54:14] Wings : /sentiment
[2017-03-18 16:54:17] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 47.61 / 52.39 Daily : 60.93 / 39.07 Weekly : 56.53 / 43.47 Monthly : 52.45 / 47.55```
[2017-03-18 16:55:02] hmmmYea : CrazyAlfy: i think its very possible we end up with two coins.. bc BTU and BTcore are trying to serve different use case
[2017-03-18 16:55:07] laisee : Nakamoto consensus is all that counts
[2017-03-18 16:55:47] hmmmYea : CrazyAlfy: but i think the most likely scenario is that this is all bluff to make BTcore increase block size to 2,4, or 8
[2017-03-18 16:55:51] laisee : and 2, 3, 4 coins may happen if they each get economic support by miners, users. lets see
[2017-03-18 16:56:16] juster : hmmmYea: its an attempt to take control
[2017-03-18 16:56:27] mdsmm : core long all the way
[2017-03-18 16:56:30] mdsmm : long term
[2017-03-18 16:56:32] mdsmm : + other alts
[2017-03-18 16:56:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCT7D`: buy 50 @ 0.003355
[2017-03-18 16:56:36] mdsmm : +*
[2017-03-18 16:57:27] hmmmYea : juster: i think thats a silly explanation made up by core/fee collectors to fight the fork
[2017-03-18 16:57:30] laisee : BU is the way to handle decisons, Dash developer funding is a great idea also. Remove humans from funding and central control.
[2017-03-18 16:57:49] arbitrage101 : zec 87 dollars
[2017-03-18 16:57:52] arbitrage101 : can you believe this
[2017-03-18 16:58:44] shiroe : woah
[2017-03-18 16:58:44] shiroe : haha
[2017-03-18 16:59:07] laisee : BTC without clear result from hard fork will be cmpeting with ETH, DASH, ZEC
[2017-03-18 16:59:40] Xeth : To be honest, as long as the maximum ammount of bitcoins will not change it's of no real consequence.
[2017-03-18 17:00:04] Xeth : However, I dislike the idea of BTU's team
[2017-03-18 17:00:06] arbitrage101 : someone going to enter a world of hurt
[2017-03-18 17:00:10] arbitrage101 : shorting zec
[2017-03-18 17:00:10] mdsmm : core will function as a safe haven
[2017-03-18 17:00:23] arbitrage101 : paying 3.5% daily borrowing fee
[2017-03-18 17:01:09] hmmmYea : arbitrage101: what exchange?
[2017-03-18 17:01:13] laisee : mdsmm: do you really think Core behvior since 2015 shows them to be "safe"
[2017-03-18 17:01:21] arbitrage101 : hmmmYea: finex
[2017-03-18 17:01:24] Tetsuo : USD is SAFE
[2017-03-18 17:01:27] hmmmYea : arbitrage101: ty
[2017-03-18 17:01:45] CrazyAlfy : Unfortunately many people see BTU as an attack, the reality is simply people expressing their individual wishes about what Bitcoin should become. These sorts of situations will become more common as reference clients reduce in market share.
[2017-03-18 17:01:55] laisee : USD(Obana/Yellen) == SAFE. USD(Trump/??) == ???
[2017-03-18 17:02:17] juster : CrazyAlfy: attempt at control of something that is uncontrolable
[2017-03-18 17:02:23] emcor : guys
[2017-03-18 17:02:28] emcor : anyone know a blonde young girl?
[2017-03-18 17:02:33] emcor : i pay for it
[2017-03-18 17:02:35] laisee : yup. thats why a consensus signalling tool used by BU is great idea.
[2017-03-18 17:02:41] mdsmm : /block emcor
[2017-03-18 17:02:48] mdsmm : wish I was an admin
[2017-03-18 17:02:51] mdsmm : hahaha
[2017-03-18 17:02:55] CrazyAlfy : juster: No, it's not an attempt at anything. It's simply people expressing wishes.
[2017-03-18 17:03:01] Xeth : USD/Trump is still a business man that already has a ton of money, even if not as much as he says
[2017-03-18 17:03:02] kryptopojken : will bitmex launch a BTU token?
[2017-03-18 17:03:18] hmmmYea : CrazyAlfy: i think its just an economic disagreement... miner want the network to be clogged to raise fees... users (more accurately, the businesses who count users as clients) think that is untenable.
[2017-03-18 17:03:37] laisee : emcor: www.blondegirls4losers.com
[2017-03-18 17:03:57] emcor : laisee: dude i made more cash than you in 1 year this week
[2017-03-18 17:04:01] emcor : laisee: stfu
[2017-03-18 17:04:35] mdsmm : emcor: it's not about cash
[2017-03-18 17:04:44] emcor : yh
[2017-03-18 17:04:48] Xeth : @ laisee, you should correct yourself with : @emcor www.blondegirls4loserswithcash.com
[2017-03-18 17:04:50] laisee : emcor: u seem like an online loser. therefore u are.
[2017-03-18 17:05:21] CrazyAlfy : hmmmYea: I don't think raising fees is the goal of miners. Raising the price is much more profitable and a better long term strategy. Higher fees only drive people to alts.
[2017-03-18 17:05:23] laisee : Xeth: the $$$$ goes wthout saying for online losers like @emcor
[2017-03-18 17:05:29] PARAFFIN : www.blondeheroingirls4looserswithcash.to
[2017-03-18 17:05:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 20000 @ 998.48
[2017-03-18 17:05:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 410 @ 998.78
[2017-03-18 17:05:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 7000 @ 997.10
[2017-03-18 17:05:55] laisee : PARAFFIN: +1
[2017-03-18 17:06:03] PARAFFIN : im so bad boy
[2017-03-18 17:06:09] PARAFFIN : laisee:
[2017-03-18 17:06:28] Xeth : My only issue is that money should not give you pride.
[2017-03-18 17:06:56] laisee : Xeth: all the billionaires I have met don't flaunt it at all.
[2017-03-18 17:07:05] hmmmYea : CrazyAlfy: if thats truly their goal, then they have completely failed. failed so badly , you have to conclude that even tho core is good at writing code they do not have the vision necessary for the job
[2017-03-18 17:07:21] emcor : laisee: you met probably like 1 billionaire on tv
[2017-03-18 17:07:27] laisee : +1 @hmmmYea
[2017-03-18 17:07:49] Xeth : I haven't met bilionaires, just millionaires, quite honestly I don't envy them.
[2017-03-18 17:07:54] startChat : https://twitter.com/mpmcsweeney/status/843137227190386688
[2017-03-18 17:07:57] laisee : at least try to be funny @emcor. you're ;ame and boastful.
[2017-03-18 17:08:04] laisee : ^;ame^lame
[2017-03-18 17:08:05] Xeth : Besides cash is volatile, it comes and goes. Today you have it, Tommorow you don't.
[2017-03-18 17:08:36] CrazyAlfy : hmmmYea: I think the push for BTU by miners is a push to reduce fees. I wish Core had released a couple of roadmaps, and let people choose.
[2017-03-18 17:08:57] startChat : CrazyAlfy: What do you know about the techinclas of bitcoin software?
[2017-03-18 17:09:23] laisee : CrazyAlfy: they released a roadmap and offeered a choice Segwit which is less popular than BU by miles.
[2017-03-18 17:09:34] mdsmm : My dad knows a billionaire and tbh, if you don't know he's one, you'll never see haha
[2017-03-18 17:09:39] laisee : so they failed to sell their vision
[2017-03-18 17:09:56] mdsmm : the guy wears cheaper clothes than the average person
[2017-03-18 17:10:15] laisee : +1 @mdsmm.
[2017-03-18 17:10:21] emcor : mdsmm: +
[2017-03-18 17:10:22] Xeth : That's because he's probably smart and doesn't fall for all the fashion crap
[2017-03-18 17:10:38] mdsmm : Xeth: agree
[2017-03-18 17:10:48] CrazyAlfy : startChat: This isn't a software issue we are debating..
[2017-03-18 17:10:56] Kalman : mdsmm: in venezuelian bolivar many are billionairs
[2017-03-18 17:10:57] laisee : when u can buy anything like clothes u don't care about making some statement
[2017-03-18 17:11:09] startChat : sorry *concensus network
[2017-03-18 17:11:15] mdsmm : Kalman: fuck you got me.
[2017-03-18 17:12:05] CrazyAlfy : laisee: Agreed, Core has failed to provide user choices. This is why BTU was born.
[2017-03-18 17:12:28] laisee : yup. exactamente.
[2017-03-18 17:12:39] startChat : CrazyAlfy: and Classic, and XT
[2017-03-18 17:14:22] CrazyAlfy : startChat: BTU is an economic argument about providing choice and taking away central planning over time.
[2017-03-18 17:15:39] Apocalyptic : seems like now would be a good time for that 2 hour funding bitmex
[2017-03-18 17:15:52] Xeth : Ya, I like how everyone panics over this shit instead of realising that as long as the maximum ammount of btc's that will come into existance doesn't change, bitcoin will not become inflationary
[2017-03-18 17:16:23] Xeth : So in the end it will end back up into rising again
[2017-03-18 17:16:24] Apocalyptic : Xeth: it's important but not the only thing that matters
[2017-03-18 17:16:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `DASH7D`: sell 40 @ 0.105106
[2017-03-18 17:16:42] Xeth : The secondary most important thing is usefulness
[2017-03-18 17:16:59] Apocalyptic : everyone being able to bootstrap a fresh full node and sync it in a reasonable time comes to mind
[2017-03-18 17:17:47] Xeth : As far as I can tell usefulness has not degraded in either, they both fulfill their end of the bargain.
[2017-03-18 17:17:49] j8 : it's easy to make something with finite supply that is worth $0
[2017-03-18 17:18:39] Xeth : Yeah but unlike something you make right now with $0.000000 worth, bitcoin already has a market.
[2017-03-18 17:18:41] Xeth : it has shops
[2017-03-18 17:18:58] hmmmYea : Xeth: a digital currency that costs more than fiat to transfer when other cryptos offer near zero costs is obsolete
[2017-03-18 17:19:28] Xeth : So, it will change when another crypto gets more usefulness on shops/etc.
[2017-03-18 17:19:38] hmmmYea : Xeth: the first mover/network effect is alreadt getting eroded.
[2017-03-18 17:19:51] j8 : the actual usage of bitcoin for commerce puts a floor on the price, but it's probably like $100
[2017-03-18 17:20:16] j8 : this price is speculation that the market will be much bigger
[2017-03-18 17:20:19] Xeth : I sincerely doubt it's 100 tbh, too much power into that stuff comes for it to be just 100
[2017-03-18 17:20:59] j8 : too much power?
[2017-03-18 17:21:35] Xeth : Bitcoin as a concept, will change in time. I have yet to see things like games electronics etc taking more interest in another coin than btcs at the moment
[2017-03-18 17:22:01] Xeth : aye, too much processing power that costs too if your argument was correct it would become worthless and then the death would come.
[2017-03-18 17:22:38] j8 : all those ASICs might have been a bad investment, they don't provide a floor
[2017-03-18 17:23:03] laisee : its not sure that POW is sustainable over longer term i.e. fees may not be enough
[2017-03-18 17:23:49] j8 : buying miners is just another bullish bet on the price
[2017-03-18 17:23:55] j8 : they don't have to be right
[2017-03-18 17:25:44] Xeth : I don't think btc can exist at such a low price anymore. Maybe I'm wrong but I just don't see it.
[2017-03-18 17:26:17] Tetsuo : wow nice, i exited the ripple pump at the top
[2017-03-18 17:26:26] Tetsuo : what a scam
[2017-03-18 17:26:50] PARAFFIN : buy LTC
[2017-03-18 17:27:12] laisee : Xeth: at 100 BTC would be different but it will survive
[2017-03-18 17:27:31] Tetsuo : let´s make BTC Prices fair again!
[2017-03-18 17:27:39] Tetsuo : range between 80-120$
[2017-03-18 17:29:10] laisee : $99.95 ... BTC is available for the masses again. ;-)
[2017-03-18 17:29:16] Xeth : Maybe, however I'm really curious what will happen to alts once the btcbtu craze blows over that will be interesting.
[2017-03-18 17:29:43] Tetsuo : they will crash hard, as always
[2017-03-18 17:31:00] Xeth : Unless one of them actually manages to become more useful, eth looks nice in that aspect, seeing more people wanting donations on it lately I don't expect it to fall (as much)
[2017-03-18 17:31:22] laisee : maybe. a decent market cap seems to generate its own activity
[2017-03-18 17:32:09] laisee : 100BN market cap for all cryptos will defo change a few minds
[2017-03-18 17:34:09] Xeth : Either way, bitUSD remains the most stable choice for those who don't like gambling too much
[2017-03-18 17:34:52] Xeth : or the other smartcoins
[2017-03-18 17:36:16] Nick Leeson : Xeth: most will collapse. Problem is their mining emission rate is very high at current price level. This can't be sustained - there is simply not enough fiat entering the market each day to do so.
[2017-03-18 17:37:43] Xeth : Maybe, but it still is an good option if you want to buy stuff as a normal-non-trader and not deal with oh I need to buy a pc putting 1 btc in, shit it fell 200 dollars on my way to the store need to add more btc (simple silly example)
[2017-03-18 17:38:02] REKT : Have a bowl of chop-chop suey!
[2017-03-18 17:38:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 4000 @ 990.31
[2017-03-18 17:38:27] Nick Leeson : Xeth: I don't disagree with that. But I thought we were talking price :)
[2017-03-18 17:39:13] Xeth : I'm talking usefulness for majority, which bears an influence to the outcome here =))
[2017-03-18 17:41:40] c.l : does anyone knows website to buy bitcoin for a foreigners? (not us)
[2017-03-18 17:42:05] Xeth : Talking price? It will go up for a while then down again, next time might be for good, based on the age we live in
[2017-03-18 17:42:13] Xeth : (after this period)
[2017-03-18 17:42:22] Nick Leeson : Xeth: Yes ok, imo volatility is to some degree a symptom of crypto being young and laughable market caps compared to real world currency or commodities. If Bitcoin marcet cap becomes 200.000.000 in 5-10 years, it would be harder to move it, just because a whale at Poloniex sells.
[2017-03-18 17:43:20] Xeth : i don't expect Bitcoin to remain the cryptocurrency which will dominate, we change our computers every 4-6 years because they're old. maybe keep them 10 suffering lower performance on the simplest of things
[2017-03-18 17:43:35] Xeth : Technology evolves, so will cryptos
[2017-03-18 17:43:55] Xeth : Yet I do believe it's too early at this point to think of that.
[2017-03-18 17:43:56] Nick Leeson : Xeth: But right now, it's young, many people are in it for money, and will hence also buy/sell as they see fit. When it matures hopefully people will mainly use to buy stuff ... as money, this would help stabilize it.
[2017-03-18 17:44:14] Nick Leeson : Xeth: I just used BTC as example.
[2017-03-18 17:44:55] Xeth : True, but at this point, many people are seeing those people use BTC
[2017-03-18 17:45:21] Xeth : There's interest in buying it I've seen people buying it for random usage on the internet, games clothes computers beer, etc.
[2017-03-18 17:45:49] Xeth : So it's getting out there, next year it will be way more used than this year because of this effect
[2017-03-18 17:46:24] Xeth : Then the shopkeepers and other less knowledgeable folk, after getting used to btcs will hear of other alts
[2017-03-18 17:46:33] Xeth : Barely at that point, we will talk of change IMO
[2017-03-18 17:46:38] dodic : lol software does not = hardware, there is software from 1950 still in use
[2017-03-18 17:47:10] Xeth : @dodic Aye, there is, not much to change in a clock software for example.
[2017-03-18 17:47:25] Xeth : but atm there is a lot of changing potential to cryptos
[2017-03-18 17:47:48] dodic : the only really revolutionary thing to me is eth
[2017-03-18 17:48:25] dodic : though it is fundamentally very different than bitcoin
[2017-03-18 17:48:53] startChat : dodic: whats the revolution
[2017-03-18 17:49:30] Xeth : My only issue with ethereum, does it have max coins or is it infinite? I don't know and can't seem to find an answer.
[2017-03-18 17:49:44] dodic : distributed consensus for logic that can be expressed by code
[2017-03-18 17:49:46] Apocalyptic : Xeth: there is no coin limit
[2017-03-18 17:49:47] Xeth : Idk how it works in the background
[2017-03-18 17:49:49] dodic : as a currency eth sucks
[2017-03-18 17:49:58] Nick Leeson : Xeth: I hope crypto will be used as money in the future. That was the idea that got me into it :) I think if it is, you are right there will be different coins, but I don't think people will change what they use all the time. It will be a slow process. However I think we will see different crypto for different use cases. Eg. some excel in being anon, some fast, some particularly secure, etc.
[2017-03-18 17:50:11] Apocalyptic : last I checked the emission rate had a non-zero limit
[2017-03-18 17:50:57] Xeth : I do hope goverments will get the fuck out of money too but that won't happen, it will become just as regulated and I see goverments making their own cryptos
[2017-03-18 17:50:57] dodic : eth is kind of a like a weird digital fiat controlled by ethereum foundation
[2017-03-18 17:51:17] Xeth : it's a disaster for the ones which desire control over the population
[2017-03-18 17:51:31] Nick Leeson : Xeth: I believe ETHs plan is to switch to PoS at some point so infinite but decreasing inflation.
[2017-03-18 17:51:54] Xeth : I don't like the idea of a coin that gets generated infinitely
[2017-03-18 17:52:10] Xeth : USD gets generated infinitely and it loses it's value every time more debt comes it's fictive.
[2017-03-18 17:52:39] Xeth : inflation makes a coin less valuable so everyone prospers less
[2017-03-18 17:52:58] Apocalyptic : Xeth: except the producers
[2017-03-18 17:53:03] Xeth : So if ETH gets infinite coins, it's a problem for us. the consumers.
[2017-03-18 17:53:19] Nick Leeson : Xeth: For me it is not a problem when inflation is decreasing. Std. inflation in society will be higher. This said I don't believe in ETH as a long term case. But they do have so many interesting thing going, I visit daily just because its interesting.
[2017-03-18 17:53:27] Apocalyptic : one of the idea behind inflation is that it urges consumers to spend quickly
[2017-03-18 17:53:57] Nick Leeson : Xeth: Current ETH emission @ 38$ price is 428 million usd / year
[2017-03-18 17:54:59] Nick Leeson : Apocalyptic: True, and ETH really wasn't designed as to be a std. currency, but a token for the Ethereum machine.
[2017-03-18 17:55:49] Xeth : I still don't think people should support something that in the end will lose value over time
[2017-03-18 17:56:15] Xeth : If we had infinite gold gold would be useless
[2017-03-18 17:56:46] Xeth : if we had infinite land, then it would be just as worthless over time
[2017-03-18 17:57:30] Xeth : Resources should be limited, just as needs are unlimited in the current system
[2017-03-18 17:57:42] Nick Leeson : Gotta go, happy trading guys!
[2017-03-18 18:04:34] sleger : I WAS AT ORLY
[2017-03-18 18:04:46] Tetsuo : sleger: holy shit
[2017-03-18 18:04:56] Tetsuo : are u okay
[2017-03-18 18:04:57] sleger : We were held hostages by the french police for 5 hours in a fucking bus driving around
[2017-03-18 18:05:19] sleger : at some point enough people started to get agitated and we forced the driver to open the doors and we ran out
[2017-03-18 18:06:01] Tetsuo : why did they put you in a bus?
[2017-03-18 18:06:04] Tetsuo : wher u suspects?
[2017-03-18 18:06:07] Tetsuo : or for your protection
[2017-03-18 18:06:07] sleger : In the end, many people did the same and almost everyone, even international flights, ended up being free out, without showing ANY identification at all
[2017-03-18 18:06:31] sleger : we were all put in a bus because the situation happened when we were inside the terminal, so they did that to protect us
[2017-03-18 18:06:51] sleger : but 4h after the guy was down it became ridiculous, and information we were given kept changing etc etc...
[2017-03-18 18:07:37] Apocalyptic : France is getting worse
[2017-03-18 18:07:49] Xeth : More terrorism? yay. Thanks America
[2017-03-18 18:07:52] sleger : thats been the case for a while
[2017-03-18 18:07:57] sleger : (getting worse)
[2017-03-18 18:09:17] sleger : that's why we dont need some new left guy to keep the same shit going
[2017-03-18 18:10:40] johndoe : only 1 attacker with a gun, right? seems like they really didn't handle this very well.
[2017-03-18 18:13:02] sleger : he tried to steal a military AR
[2017-03-18 18:13:47] mdsmm : I want a husky
[2017-03-18 18:14:06] sleger : and he got shot while trying to get it out of the military girl hands
[2017-03-18 18:14:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 15 @ 0.109965
[2017-03-18 18:14:16] johndoe : yah, then they shot him right away. But before that he just had a pellet gun supposedly
[2017-03-18 18:14:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 500 @ 1000.51
[2017-03-18 18:14:55] DoubleU : where is DASH market maker
[2017-03-18 18:14:56] sleger : johndoe: yes, they were right to shoot him then
[2017-03-18 18:14:56] DoubleU : i wanna long
[2017-03-18 18:15:11] johndoe : seems like an pretty stupid terrorist. thankfully he didn't seem to kill anyone
[2017-03-18 18:15:54] sleger : yeah when you see what trouble a dumb lose fake terrorist can do....
[2017-03-18 18:16:00] mdsmm : You know that terrorism is at its lowest point in years.. All the media blowing things up, it's incredible
[2017-03-18 18:16:14] mdsmm : in the 60s etc it was badddd
[2017-03-18 18:16:30] johndoe : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-v-N435dNI i wouldn't go to france... because france is no longer france :)
[2017-03-18 18:16:50] sleger : big dump on june
[2017-03-18 18:17:06] DoubleU : where is FCT market marker. i cant long
[2017-03-18 18:17:06] Tetsuo : could you trade while u were in the bus ;-)
[2017-03-18 18:17:29] DoubleU : where is REP and XRP market maker
[2017-03-18 18:17:30] sleger : Tetsuo: funny story, I gave some guy 50 euros to buy his fully charged battery pack to charge my phone
[2017-03-18 18:17:38] sleger : but i couldnt do much as i couldnt tether to my laptop
[2017-03-18 18:17:42] Tetsuo : sleger: :-D
[2017-03-18 18:18:29] MikeHunt : so much for Eth being a hedge
[2017-03-18 18:18:40] j8 : thoughts on china regaining premium?
[2017-03-18 18:18:53] sleger : so today, because of a failed loser terrorist, France let 1000 international travelers come into the country without showing any ID, great job
[2017-03-18 18:19:06] sleger : j8: my thought is happy
[2017-03-18 18:19:13] sleger : i was expecting it in a dumb
[2017-03-18 18:19:14] MikeHunt : continental europe is fucked, get out while u still can
[2017-03-18 18:19:18] sleger : always ends up correcting anyways
[2017-03-18 18:19:32] Tetsuo : dat june spread
[2017-03-18 18:19:55] sleger : Tetsuo: feel free to put bids
[2017-03-18 18:20:02] Tetsuo : no thx
[2017-03-18 18:20:17] DoubleU : 5 BTC blocks last 2 hours.
[2017-03-18 18:20:25] sleger : Tetsuo: did bitmex clarify the settlement price in regards to fork ?
[2017-03-18 18:20:27] DoubleU : i'm sure lots of people waiting on their BTC to show up to dump on exchanges
[2017-03-18 18:20:45] Tetsuo : sleger: no
[2017-03-18 18:20:53] sleger : ....
[2017-03-18 18:21:11] zy : /sentiment
[2017-03-18 18:21:14] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 58.85 / 41.15 Daily : 60.45 / 39.55 Weekly : 56.47 / 43.53 Monthly : 52.51 / 47.49```
[2017-03-18 18:21:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 20 @ 0.110630
[2017-03-18 18:21:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 48 @ 0.111269
[2017-03-18 18:21:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 3 @ 0.111039
[2017-03-18 18:22:51] j8 : sleger: what do you think is the best solution
[2017-03-18 18:23:00] sleger : j8: wrt settlement price ?
[2017-03-18 18:23:04] j8 : yeah
[2017-03-18 18:23:12] sleger : honestly i dont really care, as long as its clear ASAP
[2017-03-18 18:23:22] j8 : yes
[2017-03-18 18:23:23] sleger : main "bitcoin" branch would make sense to me
[2017-03-18 18:23:38] sleger : but id rather get a stupid solution now than the good one later
[2017-03-18 18:24:58] j8 : kind of sucks for arbitrage if the future is only worth the value of one side.. at least that needs to be priced in
[2017-03-18 18:25:14] j8 : and you don't know which side it will be on
[2017-03-18 18:25:51] sleger : futures are just overpriced now
[2017-03-18 18:26:08] sleger : i already took my short so....
[2017-03-18 18:28:00] DoubleU : futures needs a bigger discount
[2017-03-18 18:28:07] DoubleU : this is when a $200 discount makes sense
[2017-03-18 18:28:43] DoubleU : by june we could have 2 or 3 different BTC forks. so about $330 is the price of each 3 coins
[2017-03-18 18:29:12] laisee : need some way to trade the fork
[2017-03-18 18:29:13] Tetsuo : http://www.bit-sim.trade/ almost at the top :-)
[2017-03-18 18:29:13] Tetsuo : only one to go
[2017-03-18 18:29:48] sleger : DoubleU: hey not bad for a newb
[2017-03-18 18:29:52] j8 : laisee: bitfinex is launching something
[2017-03-18 18:30:20] laisee : yes, BCC and BCU 'coins'
[2017-03-18 18:30:50] j8 : no doubt bitmex will want to jump on board, though it's a bit complicated when you only have btc collateral
[2017-03-18 18:30:54] sleger : most important question will not be long or short but where to be long where to be short, and where to keep coins
[2017-03-18 18:30:55] laisee : thinking something more advanced like KI/KO options
[2017-03-18 18:31:18] sleger : laisee: GL finding a market maker
[2017-03-18 18:31:30] mdsmm : why is my chart fucked
[2017-03-18 18:31:34] mdsmm : like every chart
[2017-03-18 18:31:37] mdsmm : it's just not there
[2017-03-18 18:31:45] startChat : haxed
[2017-03-18 18:32:26] laisee : sleger: not expecting popularity
[2017-03-18 18:32:31] mdsmm : trading by order book then
[2017-03-18 18:32:50] mdsmm : who of you plays overwatch?
[2017-03-18 18:33:02] DoubleU : that's why we need ethmex.com so we can short using ETH
[2017-03-18 18:33:06] DoubleU : as BTC crashes and burns
[2017-03-18 18:33:22] Tetsuo : +1