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[2017-03-17 14:52:23] sleger : and sell of course
[2017-03-17 14:52:38] MrRGnome : He asked what the risk factors were in the difference between basis and index. And he's a retard.
[2017-03-17 14:53:26] hmmmYea : sleger: the "whatever the market decides" answer is reductive
[2017-03-17 14:53:27] laisee : do we have to pass a test now in order to trade?
[2017-03-17 14:53:45] sleger : laisee: you dont get to ask questions
[2017-03-17 14:54:07] laisee : Y?
[2017-03-17 14:54:07] MrRGnome : No, but I'm interested in something. @hmmmYea Why don't you calculate for me what it costs to mine a bitcoin with an S7. Show your math.
[2017-03-17 14:54:15] sleger : laisee: its hmmmyeah turn
[2017-03-17 14:54:27] sleger : MrRGnome: its low margin
[2017-03-17 14:54:29] hmmmYea : MrRGnome: bc i dont care what you think about me
[2017-03-17 14:54:43] MrRGnome : hmmmYea: So you can or cannot do math?
[2017-03-17 14:55:00] sleger : i thought we were gonna have more fun questions
[2017-03-17 14:55:01] laisee : sleger: I am waiting my turn to be shown up as the turnip that I am
[2017-03-17 14:55:03] sleger : i have one
[2017-03-17 14:55:51] laisee : Je sui un Turnip
[2017-03-17 14:56:25] sleger : how much would you pay now to be able to enter a position in a perp swap quanto without funding that is marked to spot and you can exit at anytime at spot price ?
[2017-03-17 14:57:14] hmmmYea : sleger: the quanto pays in dollars or bitcoins?
[2017-03-17 14:57:24] hmmmYea : like what is its home currency
[2017-03-17 14:57:24] laisee : der
[2017-03-17 14:57:32] sleger : btc
[2017-03-17 14:57:35] laisee : quanto means
[2017-03-17 14:57:43] sleger : like a bitmex product, like they had before
[2017-03-17 14:57:53] hmmmYea : sleger: ahhh.gotcha
[2017-03-17 14:58:07] sleger : see, thats a more fun question
[2017-03-17 14:58:16] hmmmYea : sleger: i can hold it for forever if i want?
[2017-03-17 14:58:20] sleger : yes
[2017-03-17 14:58:51] sleger : no leverage at entry, cant use pnl until you realize it
[2017-03-17 14:59:06] hmmmYea : sleger: i dont have long term data on the funding rates
[2017-03-17 14:59:15] sleger : no funding i said
[2017-03-17 14:59:34] hmmmYea : sleger: i dont have long term data on the bitmex swap
[2017-03-17 14:59:47] hmmmYea : that i would use this instrument as a hedge to my arb
[2017-03-17 14:59:50] sleger : what do you need to know ?
[2017-03-17 15:00:06] MrRGnome : sleger: If it's marked to spot, you'd pay spot. Although not sure how a perpetual swap futures can exist without funding or loan interest and still track the marked spot.
[2017-03-17 15:00:18] hmmmYea : sleger: can i get ADL'd?
[2017-03-17 15:01:58] rapidtrades : lol @thesenewbs asking sleger Qs
[2017-03-17 15:02:06] rapidtrades : he's not a helpful person
[2017-03-17 15:02:54] BTCDJS : Yes he is
[2017-03-17 15:02:59] hmmmYea : sleger: i think you would pay almost the whole price of bitcoin... bc its a free option with infinite time until maturity
[2017-03-17 15:03:43] rapidtrades : swap is stupid madeup product
[2017-03-17 15:03:54] BTCDJS : no its not
[2017-03-17 15:03:55] sleger : what do you mean by paying the whole price of bitcoin ?
[2017-03-17 15:03:59] rapidtrades : im just looking to exit and never enter again
[2017-03-17 15:04:02] MrRGnome : all derivatives are stupid made up products
[2017-03-17 15:04:06] sleger : you cant get adl in that contract
[2017-03-17 15:04:09] BTCDJS : no you arent
[2017-03-17 15:04:22] hmmmYea : sleger: if you lose you never close, if you win you can exercise when it is in exercisable
[2017-03-17 15:04:25] MrRGnome : Are you still short eth and btc?
[2017-03-17 15:04:25] rapidtrades : yes i am
[2017-03-17 15:04:28] MrRGnome : rapidtrades:
[2017-03-17 15:04:30] BTCDJS : no you're not
[2017-03-17 15:04:32] MrRGnome : Ahh shit man.
[2017-03-17 15:04:53] sleger : hmmmYea: you can exercise whenever you want, your choice, but i think you're all missing the point here
[2017-03-17 15:04:55] rapidtrades : im only short swap cos don't want to get ADLed above 1k
[2017-03-17 15:05:04] sleger : if @j8 was around he'd probably know
[2017-03-17 15:05:04] MrRGnome : Why would he suddenly start lying for attention now, he's obnoxious enough to get all the attention he needs. @BTCDJS
[2017-03-17 15:05:16] hmmmYea : sleger: if i am losing, i dont have to put up margin right?
[2017-03-17 15:05:29] hmmmYea : thats what i thought you said
[2017-03-17 15:05:36] BTCDJS : MrRGnome: no he isnt
[2017-03-17 15:05:36] rapidtrades : im not short ETH dumbass...i was replying to BTCJDS
[2017-03-17 15:05:40] rapidtrades : MrRGnome:
[2017-03-17 15:06:13] MrRGnome : rapidtrades you were at one point, I remember because you being short made me exit my short because I don't want to be dumb like you.
[2017-03-17 15:06:19] hmmmYea : sleger: so its funcitonally equivalent to a perpetual american call struck at the money
[2017-03-17 15:06:21] sleger : no you dont need to, lets say you have collateral in $ that makes it 0 risk , you will always have enough margin
[2017-03-17 15:06:40] hmmmYea : sleger: ohhh
[2017-03-17 15:06:47] datboiyuan : hmmmYea: big words fancy terms AHHH!!!
[2017-03-17 15:06:48] sleger : hmmmYea: no its not just a call, you have the swap so you lose as it goes down
[2017-03-17 15:06:54] hmmmYea : i thought you didnt have to post margin if you were losing on the swap at all
[2017-03-17 15:07:02] hmmmYea : sleger: i understand
[2017-03-17 15:07:12] hmmmYea : sleger: THAT would have been a good brainteaser
[2017-03-17 15:07:20] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-03-17 15:07:23] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 35.58 / 64.42 Daily : 60.28 / 39.72 Weekly : 52.90 / 47.10 Monthly : 51.28 / 48.72```
[2017-03-17 15:09:07] hmmmYea : sleger: i think it only real value derives from its utility hedging the bitmex perp swap. im not sure what a good estimate is for the quilibrium funding rate.. but whatever that is, discounted at my own discount rate
[2017-03-17 15:09:37] sleger : you're completely ignoring the fact its a quanto
[2017-03-17 15:10:26] hmmmYea : sleger: fuck me
[2017-03-17 15:10:36] hmmmYea : sleger: yea, you're right
[2017-03-17 15:10:40] hmmmYea : sleger: are you from drw?
[2017-03-17 15:11:08] sleger : i have never said where i work
[2017-03-17 15:11:25] hmmmYea : sleger: i know. have you ever worked at drw?
[2017-03-17 15:11:44] sleger : i dont answer personal questions like that
[2017-03-17 15:12:04] hmmmYea : hmmmm
[2017-03-17 15:12:15] hmmmYea : but yes. you just price the convexity
[2017-03-17 15:12:38] hmmmYea : sleger: is this chad?
[2017-03-17 15:13:03] sleger : chad ?
[2017-03-17 15:13:15] hmmmYea : sleger: is your first name chad?
[2017-03-17 15:13:47] Tetsuo : chad sleger?
[2017-03-17 15:13:50] Tetsuo : doesn´t sound french
[2017-03-17 15:14:02] sleger : lol no
[2017-03-17 15:14:21] BTCDJS : sleger: whats your star sign
[2017-03-17 15:14:36] sleger : Whale
[2017-03-17 15:14:48] BTCDJS : favorite color?
[2017-03-17 15:14:58] sleger : blue, like all whales
[2017-03-17 15:15:16] BTCDJS : only a Chad would say things like that
[2017-03-17 15:15:35] sleger : damn, you got me
[2017-03-17 15:24:01] aethlios : sleger: 1020 ορ 1200???
[2017-03-17 15:24:07] aethlios : or
[2017-03-17 15:24:19] sleger : aethlios: next price hit ?
[2017-03-17 15:24:38] aethlios : sleger: next price level. retest ETF bottom??
[2017-03-17 15:24:55] sleger : we are closer to 1200 so its more likely
[2017-03-17 15:25:09] sleger : LTC, 3 or 20 first ?
[2017-03-17 15:25:42] Tetsuo : :-(
[2017-03-17 15:26:24] aethlios : if stabilizes above 5 (5,00-5,25) then 90% goes 20, 10% 3. too soon to say, need to kill triangle with convincing volume. but holds well while btc dumping.
[2017-03-17 15:27:04] aethlios : i say 1020 btc 75% prob. and 25% 1200
[2017-03-17 15:29:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 3950 @ 1159.09
[2017-03-17 15:29:12] REKT : Have a bowl of chop-chop suey!
[2017-03-17 15:34:04] ferpozie : Hello
[2017-03-17 15:34:54] ferpozie : Is it possible to post a trade without leverage from the beginning and introduce leverage if there is a price increase?
[2017-03-17 15:35:58] aethlios : ferpozie: yes, clisk 5x, 10x etc.
[2017-03-17 15:36:04] BitMEX_Greg : ferpozie: Yes you can do so, however this will not increase your position size
[2017-03-17 15:46:57] aethlios : dash 100 usd again
[2017-03-17 15:55:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 10 @ 0.038460
[2017-03-17 15:55:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 25 @ 0.038910
[2017-03-17 15:56:16] barrack obama : Hello fellows, why at 1pm all my positions automatically closed
[2017-03-17 15:56:19] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-03-17 15:56:22] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 51.58 / 48.42 Daily : 60.25 / 39.75 Weekly : 52.92 / 47.08 Monthly : 51.29 / 48.71```
[2017-03-17 15:56:55] barrack obama : on 3 accounts...
[2017-03-17 15:57:17] hmmmYea : is the polo API less laggy than the polo on my browser?
[2017-03-17 15:57:25] barrack obama : Did finish 7day contract at 1pm? or why
[2017-03-17 15:57:41] BitMEX_Sam : barrack obama: Yes, see your https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2017-03-17 15:57:44] sleger : barrack obama: ask Hillary
[2017-03-17 16:00:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 500 @ 0.038990
[2017-03-17 16:00:36] barrack obama : she doesnt know
[2017-03-17 16:07:15] sleger : barrack obama: she probably deleted the email to not leave any trace
[2017-03-17 16:10:34] Farzad : LOCK HER UP
[2017-03-17 16:10:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 50 @ 0.039780
[2017-03-17 16:15:08] Ahhere : Farzad: "because you'd be in jail." Best debate comment in history. Lol
[2017-03-17 16:15:26] Farzad : lol yeah
[2017-03-17 16:17:24] Sultan Pepper : How did Donald's rape charges go?
[2017-03-17 16:17:53] Sultan Pepper : You know, the underage girl at the sex party
[2017-03-17 16:18:59] Farzad : Sultan Pepper: it was a lie
[2017-03-17 16:19:34] Actualiteit : Sultan Pepper: werent the charges dropped because oh dear it was all bullshit?
[2017-03-17 16:20:21] Actualiteit : something something fake news the MSM is complaining about while they did it themselves during the election LOL
[2017-03-17 16:22:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 381 @ 0.038360
[2017-03-17 16:22:39] l3f : sleger: hey I have a question, you say you never use stops, what happens if you find yourself in a losing trade? Do you average down or cut?
[2017-03-17 16:23:27] l3f : And how often do you check your positions? How long do you trade every day?
[2017-03-17 16:23:36] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-03-17 16:23:38] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 57.67 / 42.33 Daily : 60.44 / 39.56 Weekly : 52.87 / 47.13 Monthly : 51.30 / 48.70```
[2017-03-17 16:23:57] freact : I was in a pretty bad long yesterday, over 1200. I averaged down all night in the dips and sold at a modest profit today
[2017-03-17 16:24:12] freact : but im a noob
[2017-03-17 16:25:14] sleger : l3f: i dont know it never happens
[2017-03-17 16:25:21] freact : lol
[2017-03-17 16:25:34] sleger : jk, doesnt matter if trade is winning or losing, if i think it is still a good position i keep it, otherwise i dont
[2017-03-17 16:26:48] l3f : sleger: what size is your typical position relative to your total account size?
[2017-03-17 16:26:54] hmmmYea : sleger: unlike most of what sleger says, that actually is good advice
[2017-03-17 16:27:20] stanleylee : /wall
[2017-03-17 16:27:28] sleger : everything i say seriously is good advice, most people just cant understand it
[2017-03-17 16:27:55] sleger : l3f: what if I have 1 btc and 1btc long swap 1 btc short quaterly, how should i answer your question ?
[2017-03-17 16:28:54] l3f : You always take risk free arb and never hold btc positions?
[2017-03-17 16:29:34] ferpozie : BitMEX_Greg: and will not increase profits too. So what is the advantage of introducing the leverage after posting the trade?
[2017-03-17 16:29:37] sleger : i didnt say that
[2017-03-17 16:30:11] l3f : sleger: I think how much do you risk per trade would be a better question
[2017-03-17 16:30:33] sleger : i dont put risk per trade
[2017-03-17 16:30:48] l3f : how does that work?
[2017-03-17 16:30:51] atlanta : What exactly happens at settlement on future contracts like ETH7D? Who purchases the long or short positions ?
[2017-03-17 16:31:02] l3f : atlanta: cash settled
[2017-03-17 16:31:02] sleger : but i'd say, if i own 1000btc, i almost never have a net long or short position above 1000btc
[2017-03-17 16:31:48] atlanta : l3f: does that mean all open positions are averaged to a price ?
[2017-03-17 16:31:57] ferpozie : is there an advatage in buying futures or swaps?
[2017-03-17 16:32:05] l3f : atlanta: no it is like a cfd
[2017-03-17 16:32:15] aethlios : http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-exchanges-unveil-emergency-hard-fork-contingency-plan/ what a mess, civil war.
[2017-03-17 16:32:48] Actualiteit : aethlios: ridiculous
[2017-03-17 16:35:44] hmmmYea : aethlios: miners just looking extra "money in their pockets"... even if it destroys bitcoin
[2017-03-17 16:36:13] l3f : aethlios: jesus christ
[2017-03-17 16:36:30] l3f : but it is good for everyone
[2017-03-17 16:36:56] aethlios : exchanges want also double fees, volatility etc. so wish for two btc fighting each other.
[2017-03-17 16:37:19] l3f : If BU forks
[2017-03-17 16:37:21] hmmmYea : BitMEX_Sam: in a hard fork, will futures settles to XBT? or XBT + BTU?
[2017-03-17 16:37:27] aethlios : will be like east and west roman empire.
[2017-03-17 16:37:46] l3f : will btc price split as well?
[2017-03-17 16:38:20] sleger : yes, 11 on one side, 53 on the other
[2017-03-17 16:38:35] aethlios : l3f: any btc holder will receive both coins, logic says cummulative value of both will be less than the value of btc before fork.
[2017-03-17 16:38:38] hmmmYea : BitMEX_Sam: it seems like they should settle to the sum of both new coins...
[2017-03-17 16:38:47] Actualiteit : aethlios: so BU will die a quick death after the fork and the original chain will fight for its life for a few years and eventually will die a slow and painful death being backstabbed and managed wrongly over and over again?
[2017-03-17 16:38:59] Actualiteit : sounds entertaining
[2017-03-17 16:39:02] hmmmYea : aethlios: i personally think it will be more
[2017-03-17 16:39:32] hmmmYea : aethlios: if both coins serve a different market and provide utility to different end users, it would be win-win
[2017-03-17 16:40:14] hmmmYea : btc as a reserve currency like gold IRL, and btu currency that you can use to make everyday transactions
[2017-03-17 16:40:44] Actualiteit : hmmmYea: too complicated for 'normal' users, its going to be shit
[2017-03-17 16:41:11] hmmmYea : Actualiteit: i mean long term.... once the chaos is sorted out
[2017-03-17 16:41:29] stanleylee : time up...break or down? = =
[2017-03-17 16:41:34] aethlios : Actualiteit: BU will be the main fork as miners will be 75% of total, but if their software fails could go down to zero after 5-10 years. core will have an army of 25% miners dedicated, can pass SW and slowly regain miners. So maybe stupids dump core to 100 and we can buy cheap. After fork core 100, BU 450. Total 550 (-50% because of hard fork mess)
[2017-03-17 16:41:41] sleger : ".XBT pricing is currently derived from 50% Bitstamp and 50% OKCoin Intl. " <= they would have to change the index to clarify what would happen if bitstamp only lists one for example
[2017-03-17 16:42:08] KyllingLolsson : stanleylee: no idea
[2017-03-17 16:42:13] sleger : aethlios: dude you realize that in your example, BU can attack easily core from time to time just for fun and destroy it ?
[2017-03-17 16:42:32] aethlios : hmmmYea: core adding SW can implement lighting network and have cheap unlimited txs for everyday
[2017-03-17 16:42:52] hmmmYea : sleger: yea. for sure... i think they should... they changed the COIN future to protect against the risk of a monday release
[2017-03-17 16:43:18] sleger : they should clarify, thats for sure, unknown is not good for trading, volume and fees
[2017-03-17 16:43:24] hmmmYea : aethlios: then BTU would go to zero and BTC would have more value than it currently does
[2017-03-17 16:43:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 9 @ 0.018984
[2017-03-17 16:43:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 11 @ 0.018967
[2017-03-17 16:43:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: sell 120 @ 0.018992
[2017-03-17 16:44:01] zy : but it will be a disaster when it happens
[2017-03-17 16:44:01] hmmmYea : sleger: i agree. would prolly be good for us in the short-term, but very bad long-term
[2017-03-17 16:44:09] hmmmYea : for the market as a whole
[2017-03-17 16:44:43] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-03-17 16:44:45] aethlios : hmmmYea: yes that's my prediction, core will win because users are with core, but miners want BU. users vote with their usd.
[2017-03-17 16:44:45] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 61.89 / 38.11 Daily : 60.45 / 39.55 Weekly : 53.03 / 46.97 Monthly : 51.31 / 48.69```
[2017-03-17 16:45:22] hmmmYea : zy: yea. just like etf denial... short-term panic that will prolly resolve positively, makes for the best time to long in any market
[2017-03-17 16:45:32] wurstgelee : http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-exchanges-unveil-emergency-hard-fork-contingency-plan/ <- that is what is was referring to yday
[2017-03-17 16:46:00] sleger : repost ! spam !
[2017-03-17 16:46:02] aethlios : sleger: how easy is to successfully attack core?? why eth hasn't destroyed etc?? i think there won't be that hate.
[2017-03-17 16:46:18] sleger : aethlios: you think chinese miners wont try to destroy core ?
[2017-03-17 16:46:31] Sultan Pepper : OMFG bitmex!!!!!
[2017-03-17 16:46:33] wurstgelee : sleger: nah, i already said that this will hapöen beforw it actually happened. ;)
[2017-03-17 16:46:37] Sultan Pepper : admin plz
[2017-03-17 16:47:52] Sultan Pepper : Bitmex: I'm on mobile, and the 5th order slot keeps appearing and disappearing. It's making everything shake so much
[2017-03-17 16:48:00] aethlios : for exchanges to prepare must be serious possibility of a fork
[2017-03-17 16:48:07] Sultan Pepper : Make it stop!
[2017-03-17 16:48:38] Klerni : where is page with list of top100 traders?
[2017-03-17 16:48:52] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-03-17 16:48:54] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 60.61 / 39.39 Daily : 60.42 / 39.58 Weekly : 53.01 / 46.99 Monthly : 51.31 / 48.69```
[2017-03-17 16:48:55] aethlios : sleger: i don't have the knowlegde to know how easy is to "destroy core" so can't answer, but will search for that to learn. it is too technical for me.
[2017-03-17 16:49:09] sleger : they only need more hash power to block it
[2017-03-17 16:49:20] sleger : so it doesnt destroy per se but it blocks
[2017-03-17 16:49:46] sleger : i think eth-ers just ignored etc so there was no such attack although chandler guo threatened to do one
[2017-03-17 16:50:41] Klerni : do anyone know page with top100 players on bitmex? :)
[2017-03-17 16:50:58] juster : https://www.bitmex.com/app/leaderboard
[2017-03-17 16:51:03] sleger : but names are faked
[2017-03-17 16:51:34] Klerni : thx
[2017-03-17 16:51:41] aethlios : sleger: there will be two chains, attack i think means to start mining core and gaon above 50% of hash power, then change the code. but this must be very difficult and un ethical, will make them be bad advertisement.
[2017-03-17 16:52:03] sleger : i dont think they care
[2017-03-17 16:52:10] MrRGnome : Klerni: If there are ever two chains you'll get replay attacks for sure.
[2017-03-17 16:52:30] sleger : aethlios: and they can make big money by : shorting, attacking, buying, stop attacking, rinse repeat etc....
[2017-03-17 16:52:35] MrRGnome : I mean @aethlios
[2017-03-17 16:54:56] aethlios : great months ahead.
[2017-03-17 16:55:25] aethlios : big battles on the trading fields
[2017-03-17 16:56:36] aethlios : nice about gold is that can't fork it.
[2017-03-17 16:56:45] stanleylee : /price
[2017-03-17 16:56:48] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1155.20 (15.52%) Bitfinex : 1150.10 (15.01%) The Woodchipper : 1158.15 (15.82%) itBit : 1156.34 (15.63%) Kraken : 1135.00 (13.50%) GDAX : 1154.98 (15.50%) SLQ : ```
[2017-03-17 16:57:29] BitMEX_Greg : ferpozie: To reduce the margin assigned to the position.
[2017-03-17 16:58:06] hmmmYea : sleger: time to buy USDT, before it rallies again
[2017-03-17 16:58:37] sleger : aethlios: actually you can change gold into something else, vice versa
[2017-03-17 16:58:50] sleger : its just prohibitively expensive at this time
[2017-03-17 16:59:33] datboiyuan : if I'm an exchange of course I'd be planning a contingency, that's just sound strategy
[2017-03-17 17:00:02] hmmmYea : BitMEX_Greg: if there is a hard fork will june futes settle to BTU + XBT or just XBT?
[2017-03-17 17:00:03] datboiyuan : I think a lot of the miners run core nodes anyhow and if at any point more hp is direct at core vs btu, post fork, btu dies
[2017-03-17 17:00:14] datboiyuan : there will be no fork
[2017-03-17 17:00:18] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-03-17 17:00:21] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 58.19 / 41.81 Daily : 60.45 / 39.55 Weekly : 52.98 / 47.02 Monthly : 51.31 / 48.69```
[2017-03-17 17:00:37] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: Hello, it would be nice if you could prepare a statement regarding bitmex position and the XBT index in case of a btc fork (BU vs core for instance)
[2017-03-17 17:00:43] hmmmYea : +1
[2017-03-17 17:00:54] datboiyuan : don't waste your time greg
[2017-03-17 17:02:05] hmmmYea : datboiyuan: whether it happens or not doesnt matter. some people think it might, and uncertainty about the settlement of a future will hurt volume and open interest
[2017-03-17 17:02:48] datboiyuan : and legitimizing the uncertainty via an official announcement won't ?
[2017-03-17 17:03:01] hmmmYea : datboiyuan: we're past that
[2017-03-17 17:03:04] hmmmYea : http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-exchanges-unveil-emergency-hard-fork-contingency-plan/
[2017-03-17 17:03:53] hmmmYea : unfortunately
[2017-03-17 17:04:17] rapidtrades : HARD FORK BABY
[2017-03-17 17:04:21] rapidtrades : TWICE THE COINZ
[2017-03-17 17:04:24] rapidtrades : HALF THE PRICE
[2017-03-17 17:04:53] rapidtrades : FUK UR LIFE BITCORNERS
[2017-03-17 17:05:40] CapitalGains : I've already got my bids in at $100
[2017-03-17 17:05:46] sleger : ^ thats why settlement index matters a lot in that case
[2017-03-17 17:05:49] rapidtrades : '' the exchanges would list the BU asset under the BTU or XBU tickers in the event of a network split, which they collectively say "may be inevitable".''
[2017-03-17 17:07:10] aethlios : etf possibility fud was a nice plan for whales to unload to noobs above 1200 and now start talking about fork inevitable.
[2017-03-17 17:07:19] aethlios : buy back much cheaper.
[2017-03-17 17:08:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 60 @ 1175.20
[2017-03-17 17:08:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5400 @ 1151.32
[2017-03-17 17:08:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 7543 @ 1146.64
[2017-03-17 17:09:27] rapidtrades : sleger: did u sell some june yet
[2017-03-17 17:09:46] sleger : not really
[2017-03-17 17:10:14] rapidtrades : sleger: how much?
[2017-03-17 17:10:25] aethlios : civil war bad thing, hate is huge.
[2017-03-17 17:10:26] sleger : 3490, nothing
[2017-03-17 17:10:43] ubba : wow
[2017-03-17 17:12:43] ubba : last chance to short eth?
[2017-03-17 17:14:20] rapidtrades : funny how noone is talking bout chynoya withdrawals
[2017-03-17 17:14:28] rapidtrades : its now 40+ days after they banned them
[2017-03-17 17:14:48] rapidtrades : ''to implement AML'' lol
[2017-03-17 17:16:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 13 @ 0.037050
[2017-03-17 17:16:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 1 @ 0.037150
[2017-03-17 17:16:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 100 @ 0.037140
[2017-03-17 17:17:30] ubba : choyna?
[2017-03-17 17:17:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 175 @ 0.036330
[2017-03-17 17:17:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 100 @ 0.036480
[2017-03-17 17:17:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 75 @ 0.036510
[2017-03-17 17:17:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 1 @ 0.036430
[2017-03-17 17:17:44] Actualiteit : choyna.
[2017-03-17 17:18:01] ubba : choy na
[2017-03-17 17:18:06] rapidtrades : CNINEYOANA!
[2017-03-17 17:18:19] Actualiteit : Kreeya.
[2017-03-17 17:18:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 28 @ 0.036190
[2017-03-17 17:18:25] juster : rapidtrades: Aren't they active, just on a per person basis. just like any regulated exchange
[2017-03-17 17:18:46] rapidtrades : NO
[2017-03-17 17:18:53] Actualiteit : to take profit or not to take profit
[2017-03-17 17:18:58] Actualiteit : eth is the gift that keeps on giving
[2017-03-17 17:19:47] ubba : you only lose when you sell
[2017-03-17 17:20:05] Actualiteit : no, that would only make my short bigger.
[2017-03-17 17:20:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 44 @ 0.035780
[2017-03-17 17:20:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 50 @ 0.035740
[2017-03-17 17:24:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 33501 @ 1168.97
[2017-03-17 17:24:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 20 @ 0.036560
[2017-03-17 17:24:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: sell 572 @ 0.001629
[2017-03-17 17:24:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 5000 @ 1145.56
[2017-03-17 17:25:32] aguia7 : http://www.tradingview.com/x/G818dz9O
[2017-03-17 17:27:47] Tetsuo : looks like s small dick to me
[2017-03-17 17:28:17] Tetsuo : is this the teeny weener formation
[2017-03-17 17:32:10] etoque : cmon etc
[2017-03-17 17:32:14] etoque : you have enough support
[2017-03-17 17:37:41] aron : what do u guys think about XBT right now
[2017-03-17 17:37:51] aron : 1140 long or short or neither
[2017-03-17 17:38:05] ubba : go long and short
[2017-03-17 17:38:20] thomaskikansha : shorted 1150
[2017-03-17 17:40:07] aethlios : https://www.bitfinex.com/bitcoin_hardfork_statement
[2017-03-17 17:40:22] aethlios : finex posted it now
[2017-03-17 17:40:55] aron : why did you short 1150?
[2017-03-17 17:41:01] aron : it was trading well above 1200
[2017-03-17 17:42:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 100 @ 1142.60
[2017-03-17 17:43:21] MrRGnome : aethlios: very nice
[2017-03-17 17:43:41] sleger : that should increase eth price even more !
[2017-03-17 17:44:06] aethlios : ltc is the most similar to btc core (SW soon)
[2017-03-17 17:44:07] MrRGnome : sleger: You think? Seems pretty pro-core to me.
[2017-03-17 17:44:30] aethlios : and only 200 mill. not 4.5 billion
[2017-03-17 17:45:03] jphamer1 : i wonder if people are thinking that if they stock up on bitcoin now they will end uo with free coins when it forks.
[2017-03-17 17:45:19] aethlios : core believers should buy some ltc, if BU dominates, then devs of core can work with LTC.
[2017-03-17 17:45:29] hmmmYea : jphamer1: given that price is declining, i would say no
[2017-03-17 17:45:46] jphamer1 : hmmmYea: until they twig that is
[2017-03-17 17:46:28] aethlios : hmmmYea: buy spot btc, hedge short here, wait fork, after fork you earn free BTU with no price loss
[2017-03-17 17:47:31] sleger : depends wha the index here is !
[2017-03-17 17:47:35] sleger : bitmex needs to clarify
[2017-03-17 17:47:41] hmmmYea : aethlios: depending on what bitmex does.
[2017-03-17 17:47:44] hmmmYea : yea, they do
[2017-03-17 17:47:54] jphamer1 : i think this is why people are selling alts
[2017-03-17 17:48:25] aethlios : hmmmYea: you can short finex. have real btc as margin and finex will add you btc. this way i earned 5000 etc
[2017-03-17 17:49:14] aethlios : sleger: true, but the strategy is valid, need to find the right product.
[2017-03-17 17:50:03] aethlios : also bitmex must ensure us that will deposit to us BTU for our BTC deposited here.
[2017-03-17 17:50:18] hmmmYea : aethlios: is it possible you will have to deliver both coins to your finex short? if you are short a stock and there is a spinoff. you have to deliver both the original share and the spinoff share
[2017-03-17 17:50:34] sleger : aethlios: i doubt we'd get btu for the btc stored here
[2017-03-17 17:50:43] sleger : im surprised they are not answering, admins ?
[2017-03-17 17:50:46] hmmmYea : aethlios: and for the technicality finders, it is more complicated than that IRL...b ut economically that is what happens
[2017-03-17 17:50:53] BitMEX_Sam : We're working on a statement right now
[2017-03-17 17:50:58] aethlios : sleger: why?? who will take our coins??
[2017-03-17 17:51:04] hmmmYea : BitMEX_Sam: can you give us a hint?
[2017-03-17 17:51:09] aethlios : talking about millions of usd.
[2017-03-17 17:51:14] sleger : aethlios: strip fund ?
[2017-03-17 17:51:15] sleger : :D
[2017-03-17 17:51:32] Tetsuo : http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170317/o85w654e.jpg
[2017-03-17 17:51:40] aethlios : otherwise all customers will exit before the fork block.
[2017-03-17 17:51:41] MrRGnome : BitMEX_Sam: You should endorse the standing statement
[2017-03-17 17:51:44] hmmmYea : BitMEX_Sam: jun futures could be woth much much less if it doesnt go to the split
[2017-03-17 17:52:27] aethlios : BitMEX_Sam: don't get hurry, think it well. we have time. also answer if we will receive BTU for our BTC deposited here.
[2017-03-17 17:52:32] hmmmYea : MrRGnome: that doesnt address the relevant question
[2017-03-17 17:54:01] sleger : 2 questions are : deposits get the other branch ? and how index will work ?
[2017-03-17 17:54:15] aethlios : sleger: june dumping
[2017-03-17 17:54:51] hmmmYea : aethlios: if it tracks post fork BTC and BTU is the winner it could be worth nearly zero by jun
[2017-03-17 17:54:52] aethlios : ok fork doesn't mean will happen in june.
[2017-03-17 17:55:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 80 @ 0.037920
[2017-03-17 17:55:08] Tetsuo : can´t wait to trade BTU/ETH in here
[2017-03-17 17:55:12] hmmmYea : aethlios: as long as it happens before jun
[2017-03-17 17:55:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 20 @ 0.038130
[2017-03-17 17:55:21] hmmmYea : thats all that matters
[2017-03-17 17:55:32] aethlios : hmmmYea: yes is a future will added put option
[2017-03-17 17:55:58] BitMEX_Sam : https://blog.bitmex.com/a-statement-on-the-possible-bitcoin-unlimited-hard-fork/
[2017-03-17 17:56:20] hmmmYea : wow
[2017-03-17 17:56:26] hmmmYea : the PUT is real!
[2017-03-17 17:57:47] hmmmYea : so if you own BTC.. and short the future.. post fork you would get 1 BTC and 1 BTU... but the future would settle at the value of the BTC only.. so you get 1 BTU for free
[2017-03-17 17:57:50] hmmmYea : right?
[2017-03-17 17:57:58] hmmmYea : BitMEX_Sam: ?
[2017-03-17 17:58:07] sleger : i dont understand that
[2017-03-17 17:58:12] sleger : you will have 1btc and 0 btu
[2017-03-17 17:58:29] hmmmYea : sleger: if i own btc anywhere.. like a cold waller
[2017-03-17 17:58:41] hmmmYea : and i hedge that with a short jun future on bitmex
[2017-03-17 17:58:50] sleger : then its up to your wallet software of course
[2017-03-17 17:58:57] cmwprice : /sentiment
[2017-03-17 17:59:00] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 53.98 / 46.02 Daily : 60.34 / 39.66 Weekly : 52.98 / 47.02 Monthly : 51.32 / 48.68```
[2017-03-17 17:59:08] sleger : but it seems it would settle on the price of btc core ONLY
[2017-03-17 17:59:10] sleger : not the sum
[2017-03-17 17:59:10] hmmmYea : and then fork happens... future goes to btc price... but i will own 1 btc and 1 btu
[2017-03-17 17:59:16] hmmmYea : sleger: yes
[2017-03-17 17:59:44] hmmmYea : sleger: i have two coins in cold storage.. but the future goes to the value of btc only
[2017-03-17 18:00:08] sleger : i dont know why anyone would keep their bitcoins here then, seems weird
[2017-03-17 18:00:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 500 @ 1153.41
[2017-03-17 18:00:48] hmmmYea : so if BTU goes to 1200 and BTC goes to $1... i win 1154 in the future... but still have 1200 of value in cold storage with my BTU
[2017-03-17 18:01:02] sleger : Which exchanges gave ETC automatically to their customers ? gemini ? coinbase ? polo ? who else ?
[2017-03-17 18:01:06] hmmmYea : does that make sense? im trying to piece it together on the fly
[2017-03-17 18:01:07] KyllingLolsson : Possible to break trough this support??
[2017-03-17 18:01:11] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM17`: sell 5555 @ 1152.42
[2017-03-17 18:01:27] hmmmYea : sleger: btc on bitmex is inconsequential.. its just the margin on your future
[2017-03-17 18:01:28] aethlios : sleger: who will have our btc?? wallet here will receive the btc, they need to send them to us.
[2017-03-17 18:01:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 6400 @ 1137.75
[2017-03-17 18:01:36] sleger : its not complicated really
[2017-03-17 18:03:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 16 @ 1136.78
[2017-03-17 18:03:51] Tetsuo : 134.sat/B still no confirmation after 5 hours
[2017-03-17 18:03:53] Tetsuo : sad
[2017-03-17 18:04:03] juster : use >200
[2017-03-17 18:04:05] juster : y u so cheap?
[2017-03-17 18:04:09] etoque : etc bounce on strong resistace,going test 0.002 this week maybe now
[2017-03-17 18:05:06] sleger : aethlios: they "should" yes, the announcement doesnt precise that
[2017-03-17 18:05:14] sleger : it tends to indicate the opposite
[2017-03-17 18:05:28] hmmmYea : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5zz6cu/important_the_exchange_announcement_is_indicating/
[2017-03-17 18:05:57] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2017-03-17 18:05:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 1133.98
[2017-03-17 18:06:32] thomaskikansha : omg
[2017-03-17 18:06:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 12 @ 0.038570
[2017-03-17 18:06:41] aron : omg whats happening
[2017-03-17 18:06:50] aron : why is it going so low
[2017-03-17 18:06:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 30 @ 1126.94
[2017-03-17 18:06:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 500 @ 1127.41
[2017-03-17 18:06:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 800 @ 1126.68
[2017-03-17 18:07:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCM17`: sell 500 @ 7670.2
[2017-03-17 18:07:07] sleger : rapid incoming in 3 2 1 ....
[2017-03-17 18:07:19] rapidgains : yup
[2017-03-17 18:07:22] juster : 350 incoming!
[2017-03-17 18:07:24] hmmmYea : aron: people are talking like the hardfork is inevitable
[2017-03-17 18:07:27] arbitrage101 : buy da dip
[2017-03-17 18:07:31] arbitrage101 : rekt rapid
[2017-03-17 18:07:37] Tetsuo : looks bad
[2017-03-17 18:07:43] rapidgains : china news
[2017-03-17 18:07:48] rapidgains : pboc pboc'ing
[2017-03-17 18:07:59] aron : hmmmYea what would happen if its true
[2017-03-17 18:08:09] Tetsuo : rapidgains: i heard in a bar that PBOS is forcing miners to hardfork in order to destroy BTC
[2017-03-17 18:08:12] MrRGnome : Wow the fear mongering
[2017-03-17 18:08:20] MrRGnome : That reddit thread is totally wrong btw @hmmmYea
[2017-03-17 18:08:29] MrRGnome : It says explicitly "The Bitcoin Core implementation will continue to trade as BTC (or XBT) and all exchanges will process deposits and withdrawals in BTC even if the BTU chain has more hashing power"
[2017-03-17 18:08:35] aethlios : sleger: this s robbery, the btu could have 400 each
[2017-03-17 18:08:42] sleger : aethlios: im not an admin
[2017-03-17 18:08:45] rapidgains : https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/842795494514421760
[2017-03-17 18:08:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 200 @ 1123.49
[2017-03-17 18:09:13] hmmmYea : MrRGnome: i dont care about ywho gets the symbol... the way they are talking.. its like a decision has already been made to fork
[2017-03-17 18:09:14] cmwprice : When is a bitcoin hard fork likely to happen?
[2017-03-17 18:09:25] Tetsuo : SOON
[2017-03-17 18:09:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 660 @ 1122.59
[2017-03-17 18:09:32] cmwprice : how soon?!
[2017-03-17 18:09:37] Tetsuo : SOONISH
[2017-03-17 18:09:41] MrRGnome : hmmmYea: Yes that's what a contingency plan is.
[2017-03-17 18:10:00] MrRGnome : It's planning, for the contingency that something occurs.
[2017-03-17 18:10:03] aethlios : already a mess before even we know if we fork. imagine.....
[2017-03-17 18:10:18] CaptainDean : bitcoin fork ? LOL
[2017-03-17 18:10:42] cmwprice : /sentiment
[2017-03-17 18:10:44] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 62.20 / 37.80 Daily : 60.69 / 39.32 Weekly : 53.07 / 46.93 Monthly : 51.36 / 48.64```
[2017-03-17 18:11:03] ThruTheFloor : How is everyone playing the new June futures?
[2017-03-17 18:11:14] hmmmYea : "While a contentious forking event may be inevitable"
[2017-03-17 18:11:27] ThruTheFloor : Looks like short would be best bet there too, no?
[2017-03-17 18:11:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 50 @ 0.039290
[2017-03-17 18:11:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 250 @ 0.039140
[2017-03-17 18:11:33] Yuppie : So this fork would mean I get BTU as well, but it will not be tradeable ?
[2017-03-17 18:11:36] hmmmYea : that doesnt sound like someone who thinks a hard fork is probablistically unlikely
[2017-03-17 18:12:50] Tetsuo : nice premium @ BTC-E
[2017-03-17 18:13:02] Tetsuo : 25$
[2017-03-17 18:13:16] etoque : what are those 'premium' you're talking
[2017-03-17 18:13:22] etoque : dont understansd
[2017-03-17 18:13:33] ThruTheFloor : etoque: BTC-e is at 1150
[2017-03-17 18:13:58] etoque : o
[2017-03-17 18:15:28] L9 : Hi, if I am buying 100 contracts in 1150 price than buy 1000 contracts in 1120 price then sell 100 contracts with price 1125 why I get loss if earlier buy isn\t closed yet...
[2017-03-17 18:16:59] aethlios : what we all say now for the potential fork is estimations and personal opinions. don't trade on those opinions. learn the facts and then decide.
[2017-03-17 18:17:30] ubba : L9 its cause you rolled your 1000 contracts into your profitable long
[2017-03-17 18:17:40] ubba : causing the avg entry price to drop
[2017-03-17 18:18:10] emcor : hey guys
[2017-03-17 18:18:13] emcor : keep buying the dip
[2017-03-17 18:18:20] emcor : just closed my short : )
[2017-03-17 18:18:21] CliffaryHilton : next stop 1050
[2017-03-17 18:18:49] etoque : need to bounce before see under 1100 lol
[2017-03-17 18:19:16] cmwprice : etoque: You really think we're seeing sub 1100 soon?
[2017-03-17 18:19:17] cryptoyolo : we goin 1140 again
[2017-03-17 18:19:27] cryptoyolo : then maybe drop a little more
[2017-03-17 18:19:33] cryptoyolo : not under 1080
[2017-03-17 18:19:44] etoque : cmwprice: nobody know
[2017-03-17 18:19:53] L9 : A good time to long swaps I think
[2017-03-17 18:19:59] Tetsuo : https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=all
[2017-03-17 18:19:59] etoque : cmwprice: but for sure ya 1140 might come,somethign around,then will see market move :)
[2017-03-17 18:20:03] DoubleU : June market maker left
[2017-03-17 18:20:03] etoque : :D
[2017-03-17 18:20:21] cmwprice : Seriously, what will happen to price if a hard fork occurs?
[2017-03-17 18:20:58] Tetsuo : pretty bad things
[2017-03-17 18:21:13] cmwprice : In the short term, long term or both?
[2017-03-17 18:21:20] cmwprice : And why?
[2017-03-17 18:21:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 123 @ 0.037500
[2017-03-17 18:21:38] mxtrad342 : lots of opportunities will happen, that too
[2017-03-17 18:21:52] etoque : long term is good
[2017-03-17 18:21:55] etoque : short bad
[2017-03-17 18:21:57] aron : people on reddit are saying nothing will happen
[2017-03-17 18:22:05] aron : etoque why is short term nad
[2017-03-17 18:22:12] etoque : reddit lol full of scumbag
[2017-03-17 18:22:14] etoque : kiddo
[2017-03-17 18:22:37] etoque : aron: fork make always people fear into crypto
[2017-03-17 18:22:49] aron : when will we know
[2017-03-17 18:22:54] aron : if fork will happen or not?
[2017-03-17 18:22:57] cmwprice : etoque: How bad in the short term?
[2017-03-17 18:23:07] etoque : cmwprice: idk man im not nautradamus
[2017-03-17 18:23:08] Tetsuo : when did the numbers on quantity change to comic sans? wtf
[2017-03-17 18:23:12] aethlios : cmwprice: problem is the most valuab;e coin BTU won't be traded in the exchanges at the beggining.
[2017-03-17 18:23:12] etoque : pick up some alt and pray lol
[2017-03-17 18:23:23] Yuppie : is there a way to see how many mining pools support BTU?
[2017-03-17 18:23:30] Tetsuo : Yuppie: yes
[2017-03-17 18:23:40] Yuppie : Tetsuo: How? Thx
[2017-03-17 18:24:16] aethlios : Yuppie: https://coin.dance/blocks
[2017-03-17 18:24:19] Tetsuo : https://coin.dance/blocks/unlimited
[2017-03-17 18:24:22] hmmmYea : aethlios: i think they will add it as quickly as they can... who gets their market out first has chance to win being the primary exchange for bTU for a long time. huge incentive to rush
[2017-03-17 18:24:26] Tetsuo : https://coin.dance/nodes
[2017-03-17 18:24:31] aethlios : Estimated Hashrate by Bitcoin Client Unlimited: 1,212PH/s (30.87%) Core: 2,674PH/s (68.11%) Other: 40PH/s (1.02%)
[2017-03-17 18:25:23] Yuppie : thanks
[2017-03-17 18:25:24] Tetsuo : Cryptocalypse NOW!
[2017-03-17 18:26:30] etoque : nah
[2017-03-17 18:26:31] aethlios : bitmex must ensure that clients will recieve BTU here to their wallets to withdraw it.
[2017-03-17 18:26:37] etoque : btc down alt will keep up
[2017-03-17 18:26:45] Yuppie : Probably the best way to hedge that is fiat. I am not a cryto-expert, I'm a trader. Events like that creat uncertainty. And uncertainty is the worst for any market.
[2017-03-17 18:27:04] etoque : btc unlimited will split market in two and give another nice opportunity to altcoin imo
[2017-03-17 18:27:06] Tetsuo : Yuppie: +1 alts aren´t safe
[2017-03-17 18:27:13] GTmann : guys tell me if im wrong. but if BTU is larger chain, it essentially will be "bitcoin", XBT will be like ETC, and we could be holding trash if on mex?
[2017-03-17 18:27:24] etoque : Tetsuo: nothing is safe man
[2017-03-17 18:27:31] aethlios : BTU will have 75% of miners (if happens) so btc will be like etc is now.