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[2017-03-11 02:58:13] NukeLaloosh : i just got liquidated at 1123 on h17??
[2017-03-11 02:58:29] wurstgelee : say thank you to okcoin
[2017-03-11 02:58:43] wurstgelee : or bitmex, depending on your pov
[2017-03-11 02:58:50] NukeLaloosh : mark is at 1139
[2017-03-11 02:59:17] aguia7 : -_-: Negotiate small, when you make a mistake, you will not be angry.
[2017-03-11 03:00:43] aethlios : what a scam would be that etf, to follow the world's most scum exchanges (btc exchanges)
[2017-03-11 03:01:03] emcor : i noticed that the volumes on bitfinex are higher than on bitmex
[2017-03-11 03:01:09] emcor : so why should i trade here?
[2017-03-11 03:01:26] aguia7 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htjXj9DFj34 ?
[2017-03-11 03:01:32] BitNut : emcor: Finex leverage about 3/1
[2017-03-11 03:01:49] Sultan Pepper : emcor: because we only deal in btc
[2017-03-11 03:01:56] aethlios : emcor: better fees
[2017-03-11 03:02:14] aethlios : finex maler 0.2% hurts
[2017-03-11 03:03:33] emcor : well the leverage is a good point, but what does leverage help when the volume is the same?
[2017-03-11 03:04:38] emcor : i feel like bitmex traders are more intelligent and flexible, so i cant defraud them easy and would rather go to the major exchanges where the dumb traders are
[2017-03-11 03:04:54] BitNut : emcor: the volume on mex is a lot higher on average then finex
[2017-03-11 03:05:13] aethlios : emcor: you don't need to have all funds in exchange. have 25% here and 75% in personal wallet
[2017-03-11 03:05:33] aethlios : emcor: we have dumds here also
[2017-03-11 03:05:36] -_- : swap knows the mark price is wack due to okc usd
[2017-03-11 03:06:00] BitNut : emcor: 24hour mex - 93805 finex 109627
[2017-03-11 03:06:38] emcor : -_-: there you have it: "[04:05] -_-: swap knows the mark price is wack due to okc usd"
[2017-03-11 03:06:42] emcor : i got not idea what he means
[2017-03-11 03:06:49] emcor : he would defraud me with theses products
[2017-03-11 03:07:37] emcor : i think the most dumb traders are on bitstamp, so i would not trade here
[2017-03-11 03:08:12] aethlios : emcor: that's our target, this is exchange California for new traders!!
[2017-03-11 03:08:31] -_- : price is 1135 but okc usd is 1156 for no reason
[2017-03-11 03:08:43] -_- : so swap orders are all around 1135
[2017-03-11 03:09:31] aethlios : -_-: possible long whale here manipulates funding.
[2017-03-11 03:09:45] BitNut : aethlios: how?
[2017-03-11 03:10:23] aethlios : BitNut: bids up okcoin spot, because of low volume keeps price there higher than stamp
[2017-03-11 03:11:51] javierstone : shorts are keeping this price low
[2017-03-11 03:12:03] javierstone : bout to shart
[2017-03-11 03:12:38] etoque : negative
[2017-03-11 03:12:44] etoque : we want btc under 1k
[2017-03-11 03:12:49] Aegis : we will see a deep dive soon
[2017-03-11 03:13:54] ubba : hey guys so about that 300 million that was waiting to get in when etf was gonna be approved
[2017-03-11 03:14:04] ubba : what happens to that 300 million now
[2017-03-11 03:14:11] ubba : will they buy vangaurd etfs?
[2017-03-11 03:14:44] blacktuesday : they just buy btc spot
[2017-03-11 03:14:46] ubba : they should deposit it on a trusted exchange like kraken or coinbase
[2017-03-11 03:14:49] ubba : and market buy
[2017-03-11 03:15:06] emcor : the ETF was for institutionals who can only invest into regulated products
[2017-03-11 03:15:15] emcor : they gonna buy nothing now
[2017-03-11 03:15:25] ubba : why not
[2017-03-11 03:15:27] blacktuesday : they're gonna buy personally
[2017-03-11 03:15:41] emcor : well but not the 300
[2017-03-11 03:16:06] emcor : and its not different to as before
[2017-03-11 03:16:08] ubba : lol did all exchanges fuck up during the dump
[2017-03-11 03:16:19] etoque : its about to dump
[2017-03-11 03:16:21] ubba : hearing reports that every exchange fucked up
[2017-03-11 03:16:27] ubba : Fked up
[2017-03-11 03:16:47] blacktuesday : about to make new high since the dump
[2017-03-11 03:16:58] blacktuesday : dip buyers and short closers
[2017-03-11 03:17:18] ubba : shit i wonder if this repeats 2014
[2017-03-11 03:17:20] emcor : like 1 sec after i made my short, kraken started going offline
[2017-03-11 03:17:21] ubba : where we just slowly bled off
[2017-03-11 03:17:29] aguia7 : 1152 - 1155 Short ? XD
[2017-03-11 03:17:37] emcor : these fkers from the exchanges try to take the good trades for themselves
[2017-03-11 03:17:39] -_- : price going back up
[2017-03-11 03:17:41] ubba : emcor: lucky you got those shorts in though
[2017-03-11 03:18:01] ubba : today was a good indicator why etf wouldnt be approved
[2017-03-11 03:18:05] ubba : cause of amateur sites
[2017-03-11 03:18:11] blacktuesday : time to rekt some shorters
[2017-03-11 03:18:38] emcor : the moment "seeking alpha" starts recommending bitcoin, which they have absolutely no clue about, its time to short yeah
[2017-03-11 03:18:40] -_- : lol now swap pumping
[2017-03-11 03:18:52] -_- : meh who the fuck knows what's going on
[2017-03-11 03:19:03] aethlios : slow slow up, get all in, then 5 minute a 100 to 300 usd dump.
[2017-03-11 03:19:26] blacktuesday : buy the dip now or get left behind
[2017-03-11 03:19:42] blacktuesday : plebs want to buy cheap coins
[2017-03-11 03:19:45] ubba : im glad i stayed out of this
[2017-03-11 03:19:53] ubba : probably woulda got rekt if i longed or shorted
[2017-03-11 03:19:54] ubba : lol
[2017-03-11 03:20:01] emcor : aethlios: +
[2017-03-11 03:20:50] ubba : what if etf was approved
[2017-03-11 03:20:51] emcor : the whales are probably gonna shift their bitcoin and tomorrow find that bitcoin went down and they should sell
[2017-03-11 03:21:06] ubba : would be be at ath?
[2017-03-11 03:21:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `DASH7D`: sell 24 @ 0.043891
[2017-03-11 03:32:09] BitNut : emcor: whales can ride out the storm
[2017-03-11 03:32:25] BitNut : because they are water creatures
[2017-03-11 03:33:55] emcor : BitNut: i cashed out 50% of my funds today because the volume on the exchanges are too low so i cant trade it without impact, and will move the rest to trade stocks
[2017-03-11 03:34:10] emcor : stocks have less volatility and predictability but can have higher volume
[2017-03-11 03:34:45] BitNut : emcor: What is a large position for you on Mex?
[2017-03-11 03:35:10] emcor : like more than 60k
[2017-03-11 03:35:12] BitNut : Are you selling BTC into fiat to trade stocks?
[2017-03-11 03:35:21] BitNut : or do you trade stocks in BTC?
[2017-03-11 03:35:48] emcor : i would use the fiat way cause thats the save asset
[2017-03-11 03:36:06] emcor : my portfolio is 0 bitcoin and 100% cash like 90% of the time
[2017-03-11 03:36:14] BitNut : emcor: Not big noting however I do a lot more then that. I range trade and be patient with positions up to 1.2million
[2017-03-11 03:36:46] BitNut : I feel that even my volume is workable on days like today, thats my point
[2017-03-11 03:36:51] QuinnTrades : I shorted at 1095, I feel fucked
[2017-03-11 03:37:13] BitNut : QuinnTrades: better then feeling raped
[2017-03-11 03:37:19] emcor : @BitNut i dont see how you could properly move 1.2 million on this bitmex orderbook
[2017-03-11 03:37:39] foobar : why buy the swap when the funding rate is positive and the future costs less?
[2017-03-11 03:37:41] BitNut : Buy or sell and then sit and hold.
[2017-03-11 03:37:42] emcor : like there is currently only around 300k for +-/10$ impact
[2017-03-11 03:37:55] QuinnTrades : BitNut: Yeah thatll come if it doesnt go down
[2017-03-11 03:38:09] emcor : BitNut: i think you are one of the traders im making my profit of
[2017-03-11 03:38:11] BitNut : emcor: I sold 600k in the last hour
[2017-03-11 03:38:32] BitNut : foobar: fair point however not as liquid
[2017-03-11 03:38:56] BitNut : emcor: ahh, not actually the case because there are hidden orders.
[2017-03-11 03:39:23] emcor : hm didnt consider this lol^^
[2017-03-11 03:39:37] emcor : there hidden liquidiations probably too^^
[2017-03-11 03:39:48] BitNut : emcor: When the price was 1,211 ish the other day I sold 1million down to 1,200 and was surprised that it got taken and it did so because of the hidden trades.
[2017-03-11 03:40:46] BitNut : emcor: That's ok, I am patient and in front. Check out the leaderboard
[2017-03-11 03:41:11] QuinnTrades : BitNut: yeah you're doing alright haha
[2017-03-11 03:41:15] BitNut : emcor: is that possible?
[2017-03-11 03:41:19] foobar : you could actually buy the future and sell the swap for an arbitrage on the funding rate
[2017-03-11 03:41:39] BitNut : foobar: I like stuff like that
[2017-03-11 03:41:39] emcor : BitNut: over which time did you make that profit?
[2017-03-11 03:42:06] BitNut : emcor: I joined the site about six weeks ago.
[2017-03-11 03:42:52] BitNut : emcor: about 36 hours ago I sold 700k worth to one trader
[2017-03-11 03:43:05] BitNut : I was short he went long
[2017-03-11 03:43:22] BitNut : not sure where he is right now, maybe he made profit.
[2017-03-11 03:43:31] emcor : i was long like 1 min before the announcment, then dumped max short
[2017-03-11 03:44:02] BitNut : emcor: smoke, did you short before the crash?
[2017-03-11 03:44:19] aethlios : BitNut: i remember that order, 700k in one click.
[2017-03-11 03:44:34] BitNut : I was frustrated as the site siezed up on me but thats ok
[2017-03-11 03:44:44] BitNut : aethlios: cool hey?
[2017-03-11 03:45:03] emcor : well i made 8k today on 30k and your total profit is 80k in 6 weeks on maybe 2.000k
[2017-03-11 03:45:22] QuinnTrades : yeah, I probably wouldnt be on the brink of homelessness if it hadnt frozen for a good 3 mins
[2017-03-11 03:45:24] aethlios : BitNut: i didn't buy it, but remember 700k passed in one trade.
[2017-03-11 03:45:43] BitNut : emcor: That is an awesome result. I am in for 50 BTC
[2017-03-11 03:45:50] aethlios : BitNut: refresh if it freezes.
[2017-03-11 03:46:09] QuinnTrades : that works? sounds risky af
[2017-03-11 03:46:45] BitNut : aethlios: It happened during the crash and I had finex up as well and it melted down. Not to worry.
[2017-03-11 03:46:56] emcor : BitNut: i made over 100% profit in 6 months
[2017-03-11 03:47:17] BitNut : aethlios: It was the coolest trade however I was a little toey after one person snapped it all up.
[2017-03-11 03:48:03] BitNut : emcor: That is awesome. I just wish that we could all profit.
[2017-03-11 03:49:00] foobar : the predicted funding rate next time is -.29%
[2017-03-11 03:49:04] foobar : that is pretty good
[2017-03-11 03:49:10] foobar : with the basis so low
[2017-03-11 03:49:14] foobar : you do the opposite
[2017-03-11 03:49:15] aethlios : let's dump now, enough with that silent retrace.
[2017-03-11 03:49:27] BitNut : foobar: have you any idea what the annual funding rate would work out to be?
[2017-03-11 03:49:49] kurkudu : Nice volatility today! Made tons of profit
[2017-03-11 03:49:51] BitNut : aethlios: I am keen for a pullback
[2017-03-11 03:49:52] foobar : no, you can only look at the history, which is listed on the site and add it all up
[2017-03-11 03:50:02] foobar : but it only really works when the basis is so low like this right?
[2017-03-11 03:50:03] emcor : BitNut: how did you decide to invest like that much money into btc?
[2017-03-11 03:50:14] BitNut : foobar: I saw that, I am guessing about 40 - 50 percent p.a.
[2017-03-11 03:51:12] poopdolla : Really hope the ETF gets approved on monday
[2017-03-11 03:51:14] aethlios : BitNut: depends if btc in bull market or not, data only with btc bull.
[2017-03-11 03:51:15] poopdolla : fingers crossed
[2017-03-11 03:51:18] foobar : shifts in the cost basis when the funding rate changes signs could screw up the hedge
[2017-03-11 03:51:21] BitNut : emcor: I litterally sold my apartment in 2014 and put 93% of the cash into BTC buying in at $303. Then stamp got attacked and it fell to $157 however I am stubborn and rode it out.
[2017-03-11 03:51:54] foobar : also, funding rate needs to be > fees
[2017-03-11 03:52:42] aguia7 : BitNut: CONGRATULATIONS GG GREAT
[2017-03-11 03:53:29] BitNut : aguia7: The rise of BTC has only just begun.If I told you half the stuff that I anticipate happening you would think I am nuts.
[2017-03-11 03:53:35] aethlios : BitNut: do you have any MM bots??
[2017-03-11 03:53:44] -_- : here we go bitfinex breaking up
[2017-03-11 03:54:19] BitNut : aethlios: No, all manual trading.
[2017-03-11 03:54:23] QuinnTrades : /price
[2017-03-11 03:54:26] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1141.32 (0.90%) Bitfinex : 1142.90 (1.01%) The Woodchipper : 1155.83 (0.69%) itBit : 1143.23 (0.76%) Kraken : 1141.20 (1.22%) GDAX : 1150.98 (1.28%) SLQ : 1 hour, 15 mins```
[2017-03-11 03:55:04] aguia7 : I BELIeve bitcoin, go to moon. I also think that bitcoin is still a little baby
[2017-03-11 03:55:55] rullwull : Guys, hope everybody bought that fcking dip. Easy money today. Alts performed as a perfect hedge for btc
[2017-03-11 03:56:34] aguia7 : rullwull: print hedge please
[2017-03-11 03:57:06] rullwull : aguia7: ?
[2017-03-11 03:57:13] QuinnTrades : BitNut: where did you learn how to trade?
[2017-03-11 03:57:17] dragon10 : Thrown out of a Swap Position - Why? I know it was a crazy, and volatile day... But I am trying to understand this - I seem to have been thrown out of a Short position in Swaps: Mar 10, 2017, 1:05:22 PM XBTUSD Trade Buy 2580 1172.93 -2.1996 XBT -0.0250% -0.000549 XBT Limit 2580 Currently, The price is 1140, and so this 2.20 size trade is costing me: about $72.60. And it was more than that when I discovered it. Can you please explain what triggered this trade? Thank You.
[2017-03-11 03:57:25] aguia7 : rullwull: printscreen
[2017-03-11 03:58:03] BitNut : QuinnTrades: I am self taught, I am not that clever, I just buy and wait for decent moves. I do not over extend my bankroll.
[2017-03-11 03:58:43] BitNut : QuinnTrades: In addition, I find that I tend to go against popular consensus which is not easy at times.
[2017-03-11 03:58:50] QuinnTrades : BitNut: Im self taught, but I only started a month ago so I could do with more knowledge
[2017-03-11 03:59:04] QuinnTrades : balls of steel lol
[2017-03-11 03:59:50] rullwull : aguia7: do u wanna see my alts performance or how dip I bought btc?
[2017-03-11 04:00:24] aguia7 : no. printscreen altcoins, hedge
[2017-03-11 04:00:54] BitNut : QuinnTrades: 1. Do your best not to get caught up in hype. If the etf was approved today, I anticipated that it would hit 1,450 to 1,500 then I would short it till my nose bled. The manipulators chop the emotional traders up. It is not easy.
[2017-03-11 04:01:43] QuinnTrades : Yeah, I set up a stop long at 1350 and sells at 1400 1450 and 1500
[2017-03-11 04:02:04] QuinnTrades : tried to short the drop but couldnt
[2017-03-11 04:02:36] BitNut : QuinnTrades: I think this price is incredibly cheap however I still believe that the manipulators will dump it at some stage this weekend. Imagine itting back and getting one trade every two days. So profitable when there is a decent range between your buy and sell.
[2017-03-11 04:03:04] BitNut : QuinnTrades: so similar to what I did.
[2017-03-11 04:03:46] QuinnTrades : BitNut: Yeah, I really hope it dumps just so I can stop sweating
[2017-03-11 04:04:53] QuinnTrades : I would invest more but I literally have nothing else to give, holding onto 2 months rent
[2017-03-11 04:07:17] QuinnTrades : BitNut: im not yet at selling my home level of confidence lol
[2017-03-11 04:09:30] BitNut : QuinnTrades: I anticipate that the price will be above 4k by the end of 2017
[2017-03-11 04:09:56] QuinnTrades : BitNut: Any particular event or a few?
[2017-03-11 04:12:06] aethlios : BitNut: do you follow other coins?? speculate long alts??
[2017-03-11 04:12:24] laisee : ETF approved or nut?
[2017-03-11 04:12:32] aethlios : rejected
[2017-03-11 04:12:46] laisee : formally? officially?
[2017-03-11 04:12:49] QuinnTrades : yep
[2017-03-11 04:12:56] laisee : good news
[2017-03-11 04:12:57] emcor : which is probably true for all the ETFs in line
[2017-03-11 04:12:57] DorianWhack-A-Moto : guyz...guyz...hey guyz...did you hear about the ETF?
[2017-03-11 04:13:11] QuinnTrades : no
[2017-03-11 04:13:15] laisee : so ehy is price bounding back up?
[2017-03-11 04:13:19] DorianWhack-A-Moto : me either. hope its good news
[2017-03-11 04:13:38] QuinnTrades : Id really really like it to just dump one last time
[2017-03-11 04:13:42] DorianWhack-A-Moto : EFT deadline March 11 remember guyz.
[2017-03-11 04:13:52] laisee : which one?
[2017-03-11 04:13:58] QuinnTrades : hes trolling
[2017-03-11 04:14:02] DorianWhack-A-Moto : the one that was just rejected
[2017-03-11 04:14:19] laisee : market manipulation. ;-)
[2017-03-11 04:14:43] DorianWhack-A-Moto : there is another ETF march 30th but i doubt we'll even hear about it. it'll die before then.
[2017-03-11 04:15:11] QuinnTrades : I cant even buy sell at this price cos I have no balance available
[2017-03-11 04:15:13] QuinnTrades : fucking sucks
[2017-03-11 04:15:26] aguia7 : News: Satoshi nakamoto had diarrhea.
[2017-03-11 04:15:31] laisee : I'm gonna do an ETF - send me ur $$ or BTC and I will return the opposite
[2017-03-11 04:15:34] QuinnTrades : DorianWhack-A-Moto: isnt that the eth one?
[2017-03-11 04:15:52] DorianWhack-A-Moto : SolidX ? no i thought thats bitcoin
[2017-03-11 04:15:56] QuinnTrades : laisee: wow thanks? No troll
[2017-03-11 04:16:18] laisee : low low fees and guarantee of best service
[2017-03-11 04:16:34] QuinnTrades : laisee: can I get a complimentary pat on the back
[2017-03-11 04:16:54] laisee : /pat_on_back QuinnTrades
[2017-03-11 04:17:03] QuinnTrades : laisee: <3
[2017-03-11 04:17:23] laisee : I luv all youse traders.
[2017-03-11 04:18:13] BitNut : QuinnTrades: Many, many. The US economy is in turmoil regardless of the facade that is presented and swallowed by the masses. The EU is in trouble and and banks around the world are insolvent. The US dollar shall collapse this year. Silver will rise dramatically.
[2017-03-11 04:18:19] laisee : song of the day for BTC price: Float On - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZklwTGZutc
[2017-03-11 04:18:48] laisee : BitNut: y silver?
[2017-03-11 04:19:03] QuinnTrades : BitNut: Think I need to find another job to have more to invest lol
[2017-03-11 04:19:41] BitNut : QuinnTrades: silver is an awesome opportunity this year, possibly rising above 100.00
[2017-03-11 04:19:46] BitNut : per oz
[2017-03-11 04:19:58] QuinnTrades : BitNut: Never really looked into silver
[2017-03-11 04:20:03] QuinnTrades : whats it at now?
[2017-03-11 04:20:06] laisee : I would pick rare earths and stockpile ... when CHina and USA start economic war supply of these will be halted
[2017-03-11 04:20:35] laisee : and phone tech companies like Apple will be forked
[2017-03-11 04:21:01] vonklo : just found this chat :O
[2017-03-11 04:21:18] vonklo : thanks for the dip guys, im rich shorting x50
[2017-03-11 04:22:26] BitNut : laisee: there are silver dependant technologies coming to market this year that will have a profound impact on the way that we generate and sustain energy. In addition, a global economic callapse will have many rushing into bullion as a means of preserving their wealth. Little will they realise that it will make them a fortune.
[2017-03-11 04:24:02] QuinnTrades : BitNut: are you US?
[2017-03-11 04:26:31] aethlios : BitNut: i have a lot of silver, half phys. half electronic, but it is my inflation hedge, will never sell. selling is like having no clothes in the winter.
[2017-03-11 04:27:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTC7D`: sell 1 @ 0.003320
[2017-03-11 04:27:34] Ugly_Old_Goat : Shorts please pay me in 7 hours
[2017-03-11 04:29:42] QuinnTrades : Ugly_Old_Goat: what are you short at?
[2017-03-11 04:30:23] Ugly_Old_Goat : not short perp. only March at 1317
[2017-03-11 04:30:44] QuinnTrades : ah
[2017-03-11 04:31:07] Ugly_Old_Goat : Was selling just before the crash, but thought I had until Monday
[2017-03-11 04:31:32] Ugly_Old_Goat : So only got about 50
[2017-03-11 04:31:47] Ugly_Old_Goat : Son only got 50% of my longs liquidated
[2017-03-11 04:31:47] QuinnTrades : Yeah there was an annoucement by some guy on twitter saying it was yesterday
[2017-03-11 04:32:01] Ugly_Old_Goat : Was going to do the rest over weekend
[2017-03-11 04:32:36] QuinnTrades : if it dumps past 1050 I can finally relax
[2017-03-11 04:32:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : ADL covered half my short March at 1047 whiich worked out good
[2017-03-11 04:32:48] QuinnTrades : thats pretty nice
[2017-03-11 04:33:38] Ugly_Old_Goat : I wanted to be flat coming into announcment, but thought it was coming Monday
[2017-03-11 04:33:52] rapidtrades : good on the SEC for not allowing this manipulated market
[2017-03-11 04:34:25] QuinnTrades : I cant believe it only went down this far
[2017-03-11 04:34:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : Still did very well as I bot heaviy yesterdahy and had resting orders that got sold on the fist spike this morning
[2017-03-11 04:34:42] rapidtrades : it went down a lot from the highs but this recovery is bullshit
[2017-03-11 04:34:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : Was selling on a scale up when the announcment came
[2017-03-11 04:35:00] rapidtrades : it has no business being this high with no ETF option
[2017-03-11 04:35:29] QuinnTrades : That what I thought
[2017-03-11 04:35:33] cryptonoob : how do I make charts to show last candle?
[2017-03-11 04:35:35] Ugly_Old_Goat : rapidtrades: wrong again, long term not etf is bullish,
[2017-03-11 04:35:37] cryptonoob : why last candle dissapears?
[2017-03-11 04:35:55] rapidtrades : Ugly_Old_Goat: guess so, hard to keep up with the harrative ever changing
[2017-03-11 04:36:08] rapidtrades : first chynoya was good for us then bad for us, not etf is bad for us
[2017-03-11 04:36:16] rapidtrades : now*
[2017-03-11 04:36:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : rapidtrades: Look nothing has changed except we cleaned out the bulls and the bears
[2017-03-11 04:37:08] rapidtrades : no offense but ir an idiot
[2017-03-11 04:37:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : If you look only Western markets crashed hard. China and btc-e never broke the 2 week low, only Western markets
[2017-03-11 04:38:15] buttcoin : btc is overpriced
[2017-03-11 04:38:18] Ugly_Old_Goat : I do think it will take six weeks or more to make new highs, but btc always surprise me
[2017-03-11 04:38:39] rapidtrades : yeah w/e u can't find bullish exchanges everytime
[2017-03-11 04:38:59] rapidtrades : smtime chynoya pumps, smtimes west, smtimes that scam in japan
[2017-03-11 04:39:31] Ugly_Old_Goat : Fortunatately was long 200 btc from 1180 in March and sumped over 50% over 1280, so not bad
[2017-03-11 04:39:50] Ugly_Old_Goat : But wanted to be flat going into announcment..
[2017-03-11 04:40:33] Ugly_Old_Goat : I would have been a big buyer had I not already been long over 100btc
[2017-03-11 04:40:48] rapidtrades : 50% retracement is now inevitable only q is will the scammers pump it back over the ATH again
[2017-03-11 04:41:10] kurkudu : rapidtrades: how r u my friend? Did u have a chance to cover your short in the dip or still dreaming about $800?
[2017-03-11 04:41:10] rapidtrades : there are no fundamentals supporting this rally anymore, its all selling to a greater fool
[2017-03-11 04:41:49] Ugly_Old_Goat : rapidtrades: No scammers here, just a few good traders and a lot of very bad ones. Thank you for your support
[2017-03-11 04:41:55] Turbo : and this is exactly the conditions you need to advance a bull market
[2017-03-11 04:42:02] buttcoin : rapidtrades: bingo
[2017-03-11 04:42:14] Ugly_Old_Goat : Turbo: Or a bear market
[2017-03-11 04:42:59] Ugly_Old_Goat : Again, we cleaned out all but the very nimble
[2017-03-11 04:43:16] rapidtrades : could be just a technical bounce, we bounced right at previous highs
[2017-03-11 04:43:31] rapidtrades : guess we'll see this weekend whats gonna happen
[2017-03-11 04:44:19] kurkudu : Bitcoin is currently very bullish, etf effects it in a very short term, the price will keep skyrocketing, new ath very soon
[2017-03-11 04:44:30] rapidtrades : ok
[2017-03-11 04:44:48] Turbo : kurkudu: i think so too
[2017-03-11 04:44:56] rapidtrades : its bullish cos its been going up recently, got it
[2017-03-11 04:45:07] rapidtrades : sounds sustainable
[2017-03-11 04:45:33] kurkudu : It's bullish because this is the future of money
[2017-03-11 04:46:44] rapidtrades : its not the future of anything
[2017-03-11 04:47:29] Turbo : just because a bunch of traders got knocked out of their positions by some market noise, doesnt make that any less true
[2017-03-11 04:48:13] rapidtrades : ^guys don't drink the moonshine again, u know what happened last time
[2017-03-11 04:48:41] rapidtrades : long now and u only have urself to blame, there are no excuses at this point
[2017-03-11 04:48:45] kurkudu : rapidtrades: it can be your future as well, don't deny and get rich soon
[2017-03-11 04:50:37] Ugly_Old_Goat : rapidtrades: I am always long btc, sometimes I liqudate my spec positions or short against them. but always have a core holding
[2017-03-11 04:51:22] rapidtrades : 50% puts us below 700 right now, that's the minimum
[2017-03-11 04:51:44] rapidtrades : this could be the start of a new bear market in which case +80% is possible
[2017-03-11 04:52:34] Rado : rapidtrades: yeah right
[2017-03-11 04:52:47] Rado : we are in a bull market
[2017-03-11 04:52:58] Rado : any correction will be shorted lived
[2017-03-11 04:54:01] Rado : You know this by the fact that we did not go bellow 1000 on the ETF news
[2017-03-11 04:54:16] etoque : Rado: FALSE,YES
[2017-03-11 04:54:19] -_- : bitmex lagged the fuck out which kept price above 1q000
[2017-03-11 04:54:20] etoque : ops sorry for cap
[2017-03-11 04:54:20] Rado : actually we are higher than before the ETF pump
[2017-03-11 04:54:20] -_- : 1000
[2017-03-11 04:54:36] Turbo : a completed 4 year cup and handle formation, i dont think it will be broken so easily
[2017-03-11 04:54:50] rapidtrades : if we're in a bull market then why is price now below the 2013 highs
[2017-03-11 04:54:59] rapidtrades : enjoy 4 yrs of non-existent returns
[2017-03-11 04:55:30] Sultan Pepper : rapidtrades: :D lol
[2017-03-11 04:55:31] Rado : I didn't buy at 1150 4 years ago
[2017-03-11 04:55:41] etoque : btc will go down a little bit
[2017-03-11 04:55:47] Rado : not many people did actually
[2017-03-11 04:55:58] rapidtrades : point is we're not in a bulll market dummy
[2017-03-11 04:56:07] Rado : We are
[2017-03-11 04:56:10] rapidtrades : ur only saying that cos we went up past few months
[2017-03-11 04:56:19] Rado : no
[2017-03-11 04:56:22] rapidtrades : recency bias mofo, look it up
[2017-03-11 04:56:38] Rado : Let's do a bet
[2017-03-11 04:56:45] arbitrage101 : rapidtrades: being a bear going to be very expensive here
[2017-03-11 04:56:52] Rado : price at the end of June
[2017-03-11 04:57:06] Ugly_Old_Goat : rapidtrades: Don't understand what you mean. I 10 btc under 100 in August 2013. Now have way over 100btc and probably lost another 100+ on the various exchanges
[2017-03-11 04:57:13] rapidtrades : i already did a bet with bulltards here and guess what I WON
[2017-03-11 04:57:22] arbitrage101 : you dont
[2017-03-11 04:57:28] arbitrage101 : downside risk was minimal
[2017-03-11 04:57:38] arbitrage101 : price berely move despite rejection
[2017-03-11 04:57:48] Rado : rapidtrades: you said 880
[2017-03-11 04:57:51] arbitrage101 : we are still higher than a month ago
[2017-03-11 04:58:18] cryptonoob : monthly chart don't look too good though
[2017-03-11 04:58:23] Ugly_Old_Goat : 880 is a possibility, but not likely
[2017-03-11 04:58:26] etoque : here the crash little folks
[2017-03-11 04:59:34] Ugly_Old_Goat : We may get a second stage sel off like in Jan but I doubt it. I look for a rather narrow trading range for next 6 weeks nor much higher or lower than we are now
[2017-03-11 05:00:43] Ugly_Old_Goat : Alao, possible March gets inverted again
[2017-03-11 05:02:46] Ugly_Old_Goat : btc-e and ok did not break hard
[2017-03-11 05:04:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 171 @ 1144.31
[2017-03-11 05:12:44] shery : RIP rapid
[2017-03-11 05:16:06] elmorte : Hey guys, what's new?
[2017-03-11 05:17:31] arbitrage101 : market is quiet
[2017-03-11 05:17:37] elmorte : This chat got kinda dark 11 hrs ago.
[2017-03-11 05:17:48] elmorte : Were you up @arbitrage101?
[2017-03-11 05:18:01] arbitrage101 : i am flat all the time
[2017-03-11 05:18:05] arbitrage101 : most of the time
[2017-03-11 05:18:11] elmorte : I mean awake
[2017-03-11 05:18:26] elmorte : Not 11, 9 hrs sorry
[2017-03-11 05:18:34] arbitrage101 : went to bed around 3am
[2017-03-11 05:18:40] elmorte : Yeah, same
[2017-03-11 05:18:41] HippiGypsi : is there a sandbox duso site to practice margin trades on
[2017-03-11 05:18:48] HippiGypsi : sudo
[2017-03-11 05:19:04] elmorte : Lucky I did too, would've probably done something stupid
[2017-03-11 05:19:07] arbitrage101 : HippiGypsi: testnet.bitmex
[2017-03-11 05:19:17] elmorte : HippiGypsi: testnet.Bitmex.com
[2017-03-11 05:19:23] HippiGypsi : thank you
[2017-03-11 05:19:53] elmorte : You'll need testnet btc, just read the deposit instructions
[2017-03-11 05:26:43] -_- : see if whales eat bitfinex sell walls
[2017-03-11 05:28:44] HippiGypsi : elmorte: the price is not the same
[2017-03-11 05:28:59] elmorte : -_-: you even out?
[2017-03-11 05:29:22] elmorte : HippiGypsi: yeah, it's a separate market. Just to learn the site functions
[2017-03-11 05:29:46] HippiGypsi : okay, but should the market react to live conditions of the real market?
[2017-03-11 05:29:59] elmorte : HippiGypsi: probably better off trading just one contract here at the main market
[2017-03-11 05:30:16] elmorte : HippiGypsi: you are the market
[2017-03-11 05:30:38] elmorte : You, and whoever else is using the testnet
[2017-03-11 05:31:25] elmorte : The index and mark price should work though
[2017-03-11 05:31:45] HippiGypsi : i see.. i tried to short for my first time this morning, but the dump and dump false alarm made me panic sell and lose a chunk. I wanted to learn the mechanics better before putting more money on the line
[2017-03-11 05:32:56] elmorte : HippiGypsi: yup, smart. Just trade really small, one contract at a time till you get more comfortable
[2017-03-11 05:34:40] aethlios : with the scaling debate need to be brave to buy above 1200, the higher the price the higher the fees making btc useless.
[2017-03-11 05:35:15] aethlios : i expect civil war soon will happen, this is the time to buy.
[2017-03-11 05:35:46] elmorte : aethlios: any of your longs filled?
[2017-03-11 05:36:19] HippiGypsi : Would someone mind explaining the difference of perpetual swap vs the other option.. what is called. a quarterly?
[2017-03-11 05:36:56] elmorte : HippiGypsi: the quarterly is a future and settles at a determined time
[2017-03-11 05:37:19] HippiGypsi : so, if you close early, how does that pay out
[2017-03-11 05:37:22] elmorte : Swap is perpetual, does not settle, but has funding fees
[2017-03-11 05:37:24] aethlios : elmorte: big longs no, but i saw finex bitmex 1000 and okcoin march 1100 and did the arb with 100 usd profit with 100 btc. so made a decent 10k, i was waiting last weeks, earning only the funding.
[2017-03-11 05:37:48] elmorte : HippiGypsi: the difference between the buying and selling price
[2017-03-11 05:38:27] elmorte : aethlios: nice. Were you able to execute quickly?
[2017-03-11 05:38:32] aethlios : HippiGypsi: swap is safer, so start from that.
[2017-03-11 05:39:04] aethlios : elmorte: yes the same minute
[2017-03-11 05:39:22] HippiGypsi : okay, thanks.
[2017-03-11 05:39:36] elmorte : So the site engines were working, nice
[2017-03-11 05:39:38] HippiGypsi : yeah that one min bitfinex candle was insane
[2017-03-11 05:39:56] HippiGypsi : i had no idea a liquid market like bitcoin could move like that
[2017-03-11 05:40:10] aethlios : elmorte: yes all exchanges bitmex okcoin bitfinex that i used worked fine.
[2017-03-11 05:40:30] rapidtrades : im glad i moved more $ to BTCE
[2017-03-11 05:40:40] rapidtrades : i knew this exchange will crap out when u need it most
[2017-03-11 05:40:44] elmorte : aethlios: that's good. The chat archive only had vocal complainers
[2017-03-11 05:41:11] rapidtrades : i can assure u site didn't work
[2017-03-11 05:41:16] elmorte : And like one compliment
[2017-03-11 05:41:34] rapidtrades : cos it was a disaster as it always is
[2017-03-11 05:41:48] elmorte : rapidtrades: shoul fork out for the VIP access you scrooge
[2017-03-11 05:41:51] rapidtrades : only okc has a working web-trading interface rest are trash
[2017-03-11 05:41:55] rapidtrades : utter garabage
[2017-03-11 05:42:10] rapidtrades : wish they weren't such scammers, i would trade there
[2017-03-11 05:42:19] aethlios : elmorte: if order button (sell buy) freeze i just refresh, but all sites were online.
[2017-03-11 05:42:33] rapidtrades : kraken crapped out too
[2017-03-11 05:42:39] rapidtrades : they're all trash
[2017-03-11 05:42:47] rapidtrades : heard coinbase went down too
[2017-03-11 05:42:52] rapidtrades : amateur hour
[2017-03-11 05:43:02] elmorte : Hehe...top of the morning to you too rapid
[2017-03-11 05:43:34] aethlios : rapidtrades: you cant trade on the news, need to have placed already orders from before. the fisherman doesn't hunt the fish.
[2017-03-11 05:44:06] rapidtrades : aethlios: but ppl did trade on the news and i got some executed on btce
[2017-03-11 05:44:09] elmorte : Yeah, I don't think half the chat realised that
[2017-03-11 05:44:22] rapidtrades : i traded post-brexit so i know what im talking about
[2017-03-11 05:44:28] elmorte : They'll learn
[2017-03-11 05:44:30] rapidtrades : this situation isn't normal
[2017-03-11 05:45:08] elmorte : If only we had some sort of institutionalised trading for bitcoin
[2017-03-11 05:45:15] aethlios : rapidtrades: bots dumped, they had some news feed, but the pumper to 1,550 had fake news. so until you check the news are true from legitimate source you have lost the chance.
[2017-03-11 05:45:36] rapidtrades : who can u code me an execution script for python?
[2017-03-11 05:45:43] elmorte : Like a fund on an exchange....would that work?
[2017-03-11 05:45:47] rapidtrades : need smth to bypass this trash web interface
[2017-03-11 05:45:55] rapidtrades : i'll pay ofc
[2017-03-11 05:46:13] elmorte : rapidtrades: j8 said api calls were down for abt a minute too
[2017-03-11 05:46:32] aethlios : rapidtrades: where is sleger?? wasn't around on the news.
[2017-03-11 05:47:33] rapidtrades : he was
[2017-03-11 05:48:17] rapidtrades : didn't say much cos he was claiming ETF has 65% pre-decision
[2017-03-11 05:48:27] aethlios : rapidtrades: he is counting profits??
[2017-03-11 05:49:03] rapidtrades : can't be much profit unless he got lucky with execution
[2017-03-11 05:49:43] rapidtrades : he was sayng he will let us know about his plan after the ETF, guess it dodn't work out for him
[2017-03-11 05:50:04] aethlios : sec exposed the criminal manipulators with that announcement. like pboc did with their xero real volume shops
[2017-03-11 05:50:19] zy : bitcoin is surprisingly strong...
[2017-03-11 05:50:34] rapidtrades : zy: yees u should buy
[2017-03-11 05:50:42] aethlios : rapidtrades: he made much buying the 750 okcoin march sell off, so he is good.
[2017-03-11 05:50:50] zy : Nah, i will keep the short just in case
[2017-03-11 05:51:15] etoque : it tend to go down now anyways
[2017-03-11 05:51:18] rapidtrades : aethlios: yes he got very lucky there
[2017-03-11 05:51:29] rapidtrades : china is about to blow up imo
[2017-03-11 05:51:44] etoque : you're now a bull
[2017-03-11 05:51:46] rapidtrades : delaying withdrawals again can't be good
[2017-03-11 05:52:08] etoque : china will dump ahah
[2017-03-11 05:52:09] rapidtrades : they're hiding smth
[2017-03-11 05:52:23] etoque : they haven't fallow anything,always 100 or 200 buck behind
[2017-03-11 05:52:26] rullwull : rapidtrades: finex, okc and bitmex all worked well for me
[2017-03-11 05:52:49] rapidtrades : yeah like i said okc works
[2017-03-11 05:53:03] rapidtrades : u prolly got lucky on bitmex
[2017-03-11 05:53:36] rapidtrades : rullwull: where did u short?
[2017-03-11 05:55:01] aethlios : btc recovered 200 out of 300 usd dump.
[2017-03-11 05:55:28] rapidtrades : tnx for that insight
[2017-03-11 05:55:50] rapidtrades : we actually hit a high of 1330 on spot yday not sure if u were here
[2017-03-11 05:55:56] rapidtrades : 1500 on mrach
[2017-03-11 05:56:09] rapidtrades : so we're right at the 50% mark right now
[2017-03-11 05:56:50] dragon10 : "China is about to blow up" David Webb is worried about China too, He told me so at dinner about a week ago. He sees big problems in the banking system
[2017-03-11 05:57:24] rapidtrades : i meant the BTC exchanges specifically
[2017-03-11 05:58:31] aethlios : rapidtrades: bitflyer start futures in 10 days, i guess in jpy, so could have a new arb tool.
[2017-03-11 05:59:01] rapidtrades : not sure how legit they are
[2017-03-11 05:59:07] aethlios : i also have an account with interactive brokers and can hedge my jpy exposure
[2017-03-11 05:59:19] rapidtrades : they charge GST on the bitcoin trades
[2017-03-11 05:59:52] aethlios : yes, but futures maybe wont have, i will check them.
[2017-03-11 06:00:35] rapidtrades : yeah prolly not
[2017-03-11 06:01:06] rullwull : rapidtrades: short on finex, but I mostly hedged with alts
[2017-03-11 06:02:13] rapidtrades : i meant what price
[2017-03-11 06:02:24] rapidtrades : cos saying X site worked doesn't mean much
[2017-03-11 06:02:28] aethlios : now chat discussion is like talk after the battle, each says how many soldiers lost or captured. important thing is to grow your army adding new soldiers (usd)
[2017-03-11 06:03:30] rullwull : rapidtrades: @1300 but only 145 btc
[2017-03-11 06:04:32] rapidtrades : that was before the news tho
[2017-03-11 06:04:44] rapidtrades : we are 1260 at news
[2017-03-11 06:04:47] rullwull : Yes
[2017-03-11 06:04:56] rapidtrades : THEN U CAN'T SAY IT WORKED
[2017-03-11 06:06:03] rullwull : when the price spiked yesterday and I couldn't miss the moment to short. But 145 btc is very small part of my longs
[2017-03-11 06:06:35] rullwull : eth and monero helped a lot
[2017-03-11 06:09:18] DorianWhack-A-Moto : i need a bot too. who sells em
[2017-03-11 06:10:00] DorianWhack-A-Moto : i'll need to rent space on bitmex servers so i can leave the bot there
[2017-03-11 06:10:46] DorianWhack-A-Moto : ok last part was a joke but if anyone has coded a decent bot lets talk
[2017-03-11 06:13:21] rapidtrades : ฿112,150.17 bitfinex volume
[2017-03-11 06:13:24] rapidtrades : what a scam
[2017-03-11 06:14:14] rapidtrades : this is our 'leading' exchange everyone
[2017-03-11 06:14:21] rapidtrades : a new mtgox waiting to happen
[2017-03-11 06:17:06] elmorte : #notMyXchange
[2017-03-11 06:17:09] aethlios : huge volume in usd here.
[2017-03-11 06:18:55] sleger : damn my strat didnt work out
[2017-03-11 06:19:27] sleger : lost ~100k on the game but it was still worthwhile doing
[2017-03-11 06:19:28] micmix : I was disappointed by so little volatility
[2017-03-11 06:19:33] sleger : micmix: same
[2017-03-11 06:19:52] sleger : i lost because of the fake out up tick hours before the news
[2017-03-11 06:20:00] rapidtrades : the strat that u thought was too secret to share?
[2017-03-11 06:20:24] rapidtrades : i almost got taken out as well
[2017-03-11 06:20:27] sleger : my strat went long at 1300 because of that fake uptick and then i lost on the refusal
[2017-03-11 06:20:35] sleger : rapidtrades: correct
[2017-03-11 06:20:55] sleger : it would have worked well if it was not for that fake upmove hours before
[2017-03-11 06:21:24] arbitrage101 : MM here getting too efficient
[2017-03-11 06:21:24] rapidtrades : i had to redeposit again, almost lost hope when it spiked to 1500
[2017-03-11 06:21:35] arbitrage101 : price was pretty much in sink with bitfinex
[2017-03-11 06:21:40] rapidtrades : i was like should i let myself gget REKTed
[2017-03-11 06:21:44] sleger : but it was the worst case that could have happened to it (-100k) compared to any other scenario (~+300k at least)
[2017-03-11 06:21:47] aethlios : rapidtrades: bailed out by sec???
[2017-03-11 06:21:59] rapidtrades : :)
[2017-03-11 06:22:16] rapidtrades : i can take a move above 2k like i said but that move was too fast
[2017-03-11 06:22:21] elmorte : yeah, the downside of the rejection was always limited
[2017-03-11 06:22:44] sleger : i knew i would lose on that scenario but it was the least likely scenario
[2017-03-11 06:22:58] sleger : who bought 10m$ for no reason 12 hours before,,,,,,
[2017-03-11 06:23:09] sleger : that triggered my go long at 1300
[2017-03-11 06:23:14] elmorte : Spare a thought for the market closer to 1500+
[2017-03-11 06:23:26] rapidtrades : u went long on march? @sleger
[2017-03-11 06:23:27] micmix : sleger: as rapid says, scam market
[2017-03-11 06:23:32] sleger : if I had closed at 1500 fine but i didnt
[2017-03-11 06:23:38] sleger : rapidtrades: yes\
[2017-03-11 06:23:41] elmorte : sleger: he went long
[2017-03-11 06:23:43] aethlios : maybe bots with news feed started buying but did mistake.
[2017-03-11 06:23:44] sleger : 1300 ish
[2017-03-11 06:24:05] rullwull : I closed lots of march at 1350
[2017-03-11 06:24:20] arbitrage101 : had ask at 1800 march at one point
[2017-03-11 06:24:26] arbitrage101 : no one hit my ask
[2017-03-11 06:24:29] .. : no, was just a whale, then fomo, then stops.. with whale profiting above 1300
[2017-03-11 06:24:30] arbitrage101 : too bad
[2017-03-11 06:24:45] rapidtrades : yeah lots of stops
[2017-03-11 06:24:52] arbitrage101 : order book was hin
[2017-03-11 06:24:55] arbitrage101 : thin
[2017-03-11 06:25:05] sleger : made most of it back with eth though
[2017-03-11 06:25:05] rapidtrades : march is always thin
[2017-03-11 06:25:08] arbitrage101 : thought some poor stoploss order going to trigger
[2017-03-11 06:25:10] rapidtrades : up and down
[2017-03-11 06:25:46] rapidtrades : 1500 to 950 swings past month
[2017-03-11 06:25:49] rullwull : Yes, etc and monero worked perfect during etf @sleger
[2017-03-11 06:25:55] rullwull : eth
[2017-03-11 06:26:05] arbitrage101 : sleger: i store some eth on cold wallet
[2017-03-11 06:26:15] aethlios : quarterly is a different level of risk, mark price follows bid ask, swap follows index.
[2017-03-11 06:26:16] arbitrage101 : hope you are right on eth > btc market cap
[2017-03-11 06:27:03] aethlios : sleger: LTCusd stable as a rock (haha)