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[2017-03-10 03:00:10] startChat : rapidtrades: how many drugs have been bought with ETH?
[2017-03-10 03:00:22] sleger : Sultan Pepper: if you have 3m$ you prefer to buy a house pay 0 rent and have 0$ left, or rent 10k a month and invest 3m$ at 10% a year ?
[2017-03-10 03:00:29] rapidtrades : problem with bitcocin ETH etc is that the community can do any changes it wants
[2017-03-10 03:00:49] rapidtrades : DAO was supposed to be irreversible
[2017-03-10 03:00:54] sleger : rapidtrades: dao was a stupid idea / scam that wasnt made BY eth anyways
[2017-03-10 03:01:08] startChat : ETH really tarnished the idea of bitcoin
[2017-03-10 03:01:08] sleger : nothing was supposed TO BE something
[2017-03-10 03:01:14] rapidtrades : but the fork was done by ETH ppl
[2017-03-10 03:01:15] sleger : its all decentralized / vote based
[2017-03-10 03:01:23] sleger : people voted to rescue DAO dummies unfortunately
[2017-03-10 03:01:28] rapidtrades : so its the community that will ALWAYS create problems
[2017-03-10 03:01:34] sleger : yes because thats what people wanted
[2017-03-10 03:01:37] Sultan Pepper : sleger: i'm just saying, given a choice of 10k rent or 10k mortgage, wouldn't you want to see some or more than that back when you sell?
[2017-03-10 03:01:50] startChat : rapidtrades: have you seen Abra?
[2017-03-10 03:02:00] rapidtrades : no clue what that is
[2017-03-10 03:02:03] sleger : Sultan Pepper: to get a mortgage you have to put 20% down payment at least
[2017-03-10 03:02:11] startChat : rapidtrades: real use of BTC
[2017-03-10 03:02:11] rapidtrades : brb need to eat
[2017-03-10 03:02:21] Sultan Pepper : sleger: sure, but it comes back when you sell
[2017-03-10 03:02:36] sleger : Sultan Pepper: how much does it return in the meantie
[2017-03-10 03:02:43] startChat : Sultan Pepper: What if you know of a better investment for that money
[2017-03-10 03:02:44] sleger : try to do some maths
[2017-03-10 03:02:57] startChat : sleger: common way of thinking, people wnat to "own"
[2017-03-10 03:03:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 1 @ 0.015330
[2017-03-10 03:03:11] startChat : math won't even get through
[2017-03-10 03:03:34] sleger : startChat: he isnt even trying to think why i own apartments but rent mine
[2017-03-10 03:04:31] Sultan Pepper : sleger: can you consistently pull 10k per month with 600k capital?
[2017-03-10 03:04:46] Sultan Pepper : sleger: i fully understand landlording
[2017-03-10 03:04:48] sleger : 600k ??
[2017-03-10 03:05:00] Sultan Pepper : 20% of 3m
[2017-03-10 03:05:03] sleger : and you think mortgages are at 0% ?
[2017-03-10 03:05:13] Sultan Pepper : True
[2017-03-10 03:05:40] sleger : think of it the other way what do you think its my landlord return ?
[2017-03-10 03:06:04] Sultan Pepper : does your profit pay rent?
[2017-03-10 03:06:24] Sultan Pepper : 50+ units i'd hope ao
[2017-03-10 03:06:26] Sultan Pepper : so
[2017-03-10 03:08:10] sleger : these units are not 3m$ apartments though
[2017-03-10 03:08:31] Sultan Pepper : sleger: would you reccomend, for a green like me, to mortgage a 2-3 unit place and live in one unit?
[2017-03-10 03:08:51] Sultan Pepper : High demand units
[2017-03-10 03:09:15] sleger : thats a stupid question, if everything else equal the property is 500k or 1m$ then the answer might not be the same
[2017-03-10 03:09:20] sleger : how could I know
[2017-03-10 03:09:29] Sultan Pepper : True
[2017-03-10 03:09:42] Sultan Pepper : thanks for schoolin by the way
[2017-03-10 03:11:23] Sultan Pepper : So 200 profit on each unit, per month, assuming max capacity. What do your apartments rent for?
[2017-03-10 03:11:28] Sultan Pepper : sleger:
[2017-03-10 03:11:54] sleger : 600-700 avg
[2017-03-10 03:13:08] Sultan Pepper : So mortgage on each is 4-5 per month, unless all are payed off?
[2017-03-10 03:13:27] sleger : 4000 per month per unit ??
[2017-03-10 03:13:35] Sultan Pepper : 400-500
[2017-03-10 03:13:43] sleger : much less
[2017-03-10 03:14:01] sleger : 80
[2017-03-10 03:14:01] Sultan Pepper : wow
[2017-03-10 03:14:35] Sultan Pepper : Seriously?
[2017-03-10 03:14:49] sleger : no, 100 of interest, 65 of principal, 165 per door - ish
[2017-03-10 03:15:05] sleger : i wasnt sure, just looked my spsheet
[2017-03-10 03:15:56] Sultan Pepper : That's so cheap. Are we talkin trap houses?
[2017-03-10 03:16:01] elmorte : Sounds like sleger is in the giving mood.
[2017-03-10 03:16:16] sleger : no they're decent
[2017-03-10 03:16:16] elmorte : Hold your hands out everybody!
[2017-03-10 03:16:32] sleger : but i wouldnt live there
[2017-03-10 03:16:48] Sultan Pepper : sleger: well you live in a 3m house
[2017-03-10 03:16:48] elmorte : Sultan Pepper: last time he sent everyone a BTC...mind you it was only $400 at the time
[2017-03-10 03:16:56] elmorte : Now...we have to rely on rapid :(
[2017-03-10 03:17:07] sleger : lol
[2017-03-10 03:17:13] Sultan Pepper : elmorte: i'm just here for the advice!
[2017-03-10 03:18:31] elmorte : that's why I said he's in the giving mood :p
[2017-03-10 03:18:39] elmorte : You wouldn't get advice if he wasnt
[2017-03-10 03:19:04] sleger : Sultan Pepper: too bad, I was about to give you some btc to fund your first apartment, but since you only want the advice...
[2017-03-10 03:19:06] Sultan Pepper : elmorte: haha, this seems a lot cheaper than makimg it rain coin
[2017-03-10 03:19:26] elmorte : Sultan Pepper: smh...told ya
[2017-03-10 03:19:50] Sultan Pepper : sleger: i'll never turn down somethig given to me, but I don't like begging
[2017-03-10 03:20:05] elmorte : sleger does
[2017-03-10 03:20:16] sleger : like begging ? no
[2017-03-10 03:20:28] sleger : i made sure that jolin got banned earlier
[2017-03-10 03:20:46] elmorte : coz you like it too much :p
[2017-03-10 03:20:46] rejndjer : wow price doing nothing these last 8 hours
[2017-03-10 03:21:13] elmorte : what's that in earth hours @rejndjer ?
[2017-03-10 03:21:52] rejndjer : oh well everyone waiting etf to get denied, then real shorting can start
[2017-03-10 03:21:57] rejndjer : off to sleep folks, gn :)
[2017-03-10 03:22:11] Sultan Pepper : sleger: if you want to help fund a fresh landlord, my wife would probably thank you personally!
[2017-03-10 03:22:13] elmorte : Anyway, off to work now, got 48 apartments to catch up to...
[2017-03-10 03:22:28] Sultan Pepper : elmorte: you too?!
[2017-03-10 03:22:31] sleger : Sultan Pepper: I would need a picture first if your auctioning your wife
[2017-03-10 03:22:42] sleger : Sultan Pepper: no he only has 49
[2017-03-10 03:22:51] elmorte : yeah, rub it in @sleger
[2017-03-10 03:23:06] Sultan Pepper : sleger: hahaha i don't marry hookers, sorry ;)
[2017-03-10 03:23:56] elmorte : Sultan Pepper: lost one apartment in the january dump :(
[2017-03-10 03:24:19] Sultan Pepper : elmorte: tennants pay in btc? :D
[2017-03-10 03:24:48] elmorte : oh, no, no...I just got so mad I trashed the place and wrote it off
[2017-03-10 03:24:56] elmorte : it was therapeutic
[2017-03-10 03:25:08] Sultan Pepper : Oh you're not even kidding
[2017-03-10 03:25:09] elmorte : you should try it
[2017-03-10 03:25:51] elmorte : it was jinxed. didn't want anyone else to suffer
[2017-03-10 03:25:53] Sultan Pepper : elmorte: when i get my first apt and 50x snowball that shit, maybe i'll give it a go
[2017-03-10 03:26:08] elmorte : That;s the spirit :)
[2017-03-10 03:26:14] elmorte : Have a good one everyone!
[2017-03-10 03:26:22] Sultan Pepper : elmorte: gnight!
[2017-03-10 03:26:43] elmorte : it's almost noon :p
[2017-03-10 03:29:37] Sultan Pepper : sleger: the hot spots here go for like 7-800k. I think mortgage would be like 3700-4k, and i could rent 3 of the apartments for like 11-1200, making worst case rent for me 700. I can see the appeal
[2017-03-10 03:30:31] Sultan Pepper : if it's a 4 unit rowhouse. I need to find more current numbers though
[2017-03-10 03:30:33] sleger : you'll have property tax, various city fees (sewer, garbage) some bills, grass cut etc... to pay on top
[2017-03-10 03:30:47] sleger : +repairs, depreciation
[2017-03-10 03:31:18] Sultan Pepper : what percent "extranious" do you usually allot?
[2017-03-10 03:34:02] Sultan Pepper : There's a 2mil single family on the corner though.... O_O @sleger
[2017-03-10 03:37:13] Sultan Pepper : 8k looks pretty average. Maybe 4.5k/month would do it. Which would put my "rent" at 1200 with 3 1100 tennants.... @sleger
[2017-03-10 03:37:28] Sultan Pepper : 800k*
[2017-03-10 03:38:31] Sultan Pepper : I pay 1200 rent and utilities now, so that's no profit
[2017-03-10 03:41:44] Sultan Pepper : sleger: were you really about to give me coin? I won't sleep tonight if I don't know... i want to believe
[2017-03-10 03:43:08] sleger : people usually consider expenses on a rental to be 50% of gross rent, which I think is a fair estimate
[2017-03-10 03:44:26] troll5000 : i just a limit order in for 1224 and it executed at 1216.....
[2017-03-10 03:45:27] Sultan Pepper : sleger: whooooah, so "my" 4k mortgage needs 6k to break even?
[2017-03-10 03:47:38] Sultan Pepper : sleger: that would put my "rent" at 2400.... *not* for me
[2017-03-10 03:47:46] Sultan Pepper : not that spot at least
[2017-03-10 03:55:55] Sultan Pepper : sleger: alright, there's a 6 unit for 750k. At 3800 mortgage, 1k rent, i could make 300 a month if i move in with my Dad
[2017-03-10 03:56:36] BitMEX_John : troll5000: was it a buy order?
[2017-03-10 03:57:24] Sultan Pepper : Or pay like 700 to live in one unit, but i dont think i'd live there with people, and it might not get filled @sleger
[2017-03-10 04:03:26] sleger : yes not all areas make sense.
[2017-03-10 04:07:20] rapidtrades : sleger: ur odds for etf now?
[2017-03-10 04:11:43] troll5000 : BitMEX_John: yes
[2017-03-10 04:13:02] j8 : so okc #1 holder got liquidated twice within 24 hours yesterday. long then short
[2017-03-10 04:14:04] rapidtrades : gooood
[2017-03-10 04:14:12] j8 : and he's back with 120000 contracts
[2017-03-10 04:14:24] rapidtrades : u don't know if its the same guy
[2017-03-10 04:14:29] j8 : nope
[2017-03-10 04:14:30] rapidtrades : j8ter h8ter
[2017-03-10 04:14:43] j8 : but by definition he is #1 guy
[2017-03-10 04:14:51] rapidtrades : ok
[2017-03-10 04:14:54] Sultan Pepper : sleger: so do you have to be able to afford a property with no tennants ever to get a loan for it, even if income will be derived?
[2017-03-10 04:19:01] BitMEX_John : troll5000: if you submit a limit order that can be instantly executed by the market it will be executed
[2017-03-10 04:19:53] troll5000 : BitMEX_John: gotchya thanks
[2017-03-10 04:20:05] BitMEX_John : troll5000: if you would like to avoid this in future you must check the 'post-only' checkbox
[2017-03-10 04:24:07] rapidtrades : sleger goes to bed at 5am...what a wuss
[2017-03-10 04:27:08] Rado : rapidtrades: lol
[2017-03-10 04:27:38] Rado : rapidtrades: 5:30 Am where you are?
[2017-03-10 04:27:47] Rado : 12:30 PM here
[2017-03-10 04:28:34] Rado : rapidtrades: should I short the heck out of BTC for the announcement
[2017-03-10 04:30:50] thxforyourbtc! : why short announcement? Its approved for sure
[2017-03-10 04:32:46] rapidtrades : Rado: short
[2017-03-10 04:32:56] rapidtrades : already short here and short COIN
[2017-03-10 04:33:34] c.l : when it approved, keep watching, when if really increasing close the shorts. shorter have 10 minutes with 5% marginal loss.
[2017-03-10 04:34:03] rapidtrades : don't think u'll have 10 mins or even 1 min
[2017-03-10 04:34:32] c.l : if I long, there is just 5 seconds to close long.
[2017-03-10 04:34:33] rapidtrades : maybe if it happened on a different date
[2017-03-10 04:34:44] rapidtrades : but now every knows friday is last day
[2017-03-10 04:34:54] rapidtrades : so everyone will be watching
[2017-03-10 04:35:27] rapidtrades : wish i knew how to make bots, manually it will be a pain to do any trades
[2017-03-10 04:35:46] rapidtrades : this place is gonna lag the f*ck out
[2017-03-10 04:35:50] c.l : oh you don't use api
[2017-03-10 04:36:32] rapidtrades : pretty much have to code or hire smone cos these guys will never switch from web-based trading
[2017-03-10 04:36:52] rapidtrades : mtgox started it and they're all just following the same shitty model
[2017-03-10 04:37:09] Rado : thxforyourbtc!: it's called sell the news
[2017-03-10 04:37:13] rapidtrades : brb
[2017-03-10 04:37:26] Rado : even if it has initial pop people will sell into the news
[2017-03-10 04:38:53] arbitrage101 : morning
[2017-03-10 04:38:56] arbitrage101 : how things go
[2017-03-10 04:39:04] arbitrage101 : rapid alive for see anther day
[2017-03-10 04:39:14] Rado : arbitrage101: it's already lunch time you lazy punk
[2017-03-10 04:39:22] arbitrage101 : yea
[2017-03-10 04:39:30] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-03-10 04:39:32] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 53.34 / 46.66 Daily : 40.76 / 59.24 Weekly : 54.03 / 45.97 Monthly : 50.62 / 49.38```
[2017-03-10 04:39:32] arbitrage101 : jogg too much e\yesterday
[2017-03-10 04:39:38] Rado : I have been up since 6 am
[2017-03-10 04:39:40] arbitrage101 : body still in pain
[2017-03-10 04:40:00] Rado : arbitrage101: how to you jog in this heat?
[2017-03-10 04:40:12] arbitrage101 : evening after rain
[2017-03-10 04:40:25] arbitrage101 : or sometimes i do it at 6am
[2017-03-10 04:40:31] Rado : I see
[2017-03-10 04:40:50] Rado : not going to come and have a beer with me?
[2017-03-10 04:41:01] arbitrage101 : where are you staying
[2017-03-10 04:41:08] arbitrage101 : i dont drink beer
[2017-03-10 04:41:10] Rado : The FACE Suits
[2017-03-10 04:41:25] XXXX : BitMEX_John: what happens to the orderbook for COIN soon after the decision. Do limit orders still gets filled?
[2017-03-10 04:41:52] BitMEX_John : XXXX: the market will function normally until settlement
[2017-03-10 04:41:58] Rado : arbitrage101: you don't drink alcohol at all?
[2017-03-10 04:42:06] arbitrage101 : less than 20 mins drive
[2017-03-10 04:42:10] arbitrage101 : rarely drink
[2017-03-10 04:42:29] arbitrage101 : largely because the tax on alcohol is so high here
[2017-03-10 04:42:35] Rado : yes
[2017-03-10 04:42:35] XXXX : BitMEX_John: so anyone who have limit orders are basically fucked as soon as the decision is out? Thats lame.
[2017-03-10 04:42:44] Rado : noticed that
[2017-03-10 04:42:50] arbitrage101 : stupidly high
[2017-03-10 04:42:54] Rado : going to Langkawi next month
[2017-03-10 04:42:54] arbitrage101 : same for car also
[2017-03-10 04:43:02] Rado : people say beer is really cheap there
[2017-03-10 04:43:05] arbitrage101 : so i drive a cheap car also
[2017-03-10 04:43:26] Rado : I am leaving on Sunday morning
[2017-03-10 04:43:41] arbitrage101 : you staying alone in bukit bintang area?
[2017-03-10 04:43:41] Rado : If you want to meet let me know
[2017-03-10 04:43:56] Rado : we can drink freshly squeezed juicce :-)
[2017-03-10 04:44:44] Rado : I am 10 min from bukit bintang
[2017-03-10 04:45:03] Rado : what do you mean alone?
[2017-03-10 04:45:10] Rado : I am with my family
[2017-03-10 04:45:11] arbitrage101 : travel alone
[2017-03-10 04:45:14] arbitrage101 : i see
[2017-03-10 04:45:20] Rado : my wife and son
[2017-03-10 04:45:53] Rado : going to the pool
[2017-03-10 04:45:55] Rado : later
[2017-03-10 04:46:01] arbitrage101 : enjoy
[2017-03-10 04:46:35] Sultan Pepper : So the SEC opperates on EST right?
[2017-03-10 04:46:45] XXXX : Bitmex should halt the trading of COIN now. Else be ready for complaints from noob traders once the decision is out and all the limit orders on one side are executed after the event. Which is a flaw.
[2017-03-10 04:46:52] Sultan Pepper : what time EST do they open?
[2017-03-10 04:47:24] arbitrage101 : Sultan Pepper: saw you ask some really basic yield questions
[2017-03-10 04:47:51] Sultan Pepper : arbitrage101: yeah, you have some landlording knowledge to drop?
[2017-03-10 04:48:29] arbitrage101 : how do you trade here without some rudimentary knowledge on finance
[2017-03-10 04:48:35] Sultan Pepper : XXXX: nah i have limits at 1 to catch any whipsaw!
[2017-03-10 04:48:56] arbitrage101 : these are just very simple yield problems
[2017-03-10 04:49:02] arbitrage101 : rent or rate
[2017-03-10 04:49:54] XXXX : Sultan Pepper: if the etf is denied, your order will be filled after the decision is out. You still want to keep that order at 1?
[2017-03-10 04:49:55] Sultan Pepper : arbitrage101: whoa man, i thought you were being nice. All the problems were me solving on my own, i was asking for property fundamentals
[2017-03-10 04:50:13] arbitrage101 : Sultan Pepper: just giving you warning
[2017-03-10 04:50:24] Sultan Pepper : XXXX: considering i'm short, yea
[2017-03-10 04:50:27] arbitrage101 : concept is same
[2017-03-10 04:50:40] Sultan Pepper : arbitrage101: warning for what?
[2017-03-10 04:50:44] XXXX : Sultan Pepper: how dumb are you? Insane.
[2017-03-10 04:51:11] arbitrage101 : whole country economic system is run on people betting yield
[2017-03-10 04:51:23] arbitrage101 : rent, profit vs interest rate
[2017-03-10 04:51:40] arbitrage101 : and asset price adjust according to the rate
[2017-03-10 04:51:51] Sultan Pepper : arbitrage101: i understand this. I'm a chef and I run the books at my restaurant
[2017-03-10 04:51:59] arbitrage101 : ok
[2017-03-10 04:51:59] KyllingLolsson : /Wallö
[2017-03-10 04:52:06] KyllingLolsson : /wall
[2017-03-10 04:52:09] trollbot : ``` ±$10 Bid|Ask liq : () $860K (0.00%) | $1584K (0.00%) ```
[2017-03-10 04:52:32] arbitrage101 : betting on property price is a bad bet now in my view
[2017-03-10 04:52:47] arbitrage101 : or rent rate for that matter
[2017-03-10 04:52:59] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-03-10 04:53:02] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 39.64 / 60.36 Daily : 40.58 / 59.42 Weekly : 53.98 / 46.02 Monthly : 50.62 / 49.38```
[2017-03-10 04:53:13] Sultan Pepper : arbitrage101: why do you think?
[2017-03-10 04:53:42] arbitrage101 : interest rate is historical low
[2017-03-10 04:53:57] arbitrage101 : cant go lower, but plenty of room to go up
[2017-03-10 04:54:17] Sultan Pepper : arbitrage101: i'll research that, thanks
[2017-03-10 04:54:38] arbitrage101 : as rate go up, i do not think market can bear the rate increase
[2017-03-10 04:54:46] arbitrage101 : rental that is
[2017-03-10 04:55:01] Sultan Pepper : XXXX: and f uck you.
[2017-03-10 04:55:33] arbitrage101 : plus there are many too many vacant condo/apartment sitting vacant in many areas
[2017-03-10 04:56:03] Sultan Pepper : arbitrage101: where i'm looking is jam packed
[2017-03-10 04:56:05] rms : property in top tier global cities maintains its value 15-20 years from now after an AI almost singularity eliminates some kinds of basic scarcity
[2017-03-10 04:56:39] arbitrage101 : Sultan Pepper: which city/country
[2017-03-10 04:57:08] XXXX : Sultan Pepper: If the ETF is withdrawn, I will be selling you COIN at 1. As many as u want dumb f#ck.
[2017-03-10 04:57:10] Sultan Pepper : arbitrage101: i can't give personals, sorry
[2017-03-10 04:57:48] Sultan Pepper : XXXX: i'm short from 50, cool your smart little brain
[2017-03-10 04:59:29] Sultan Pepper : it's a hedge on my coin, and the early order is in case we get approval with a dump beforehand
[2017-03-10 05:00:38] XXXX : Sultan Pepper: it is not about long or short. It is about a fatal flaw in the coin instrument about allowing trades after the decision is out. Make sure you remove the order at 1 as soon as the decision out.
[2017-03-10 05:00:56] Sultan Pepper : if it's withdrawn, i don't miss out on much profit at all. The cost of having another scenario built in
[2017-03-10 05:02:12] Sultan Pepper : XXXX: i won't
[2017-03-10 05:02:21] Sultan Pepper : because it won't hurt me
[2017-03-10 05:04:58] Vicariously : /price
[2017-03-10 05:05:01] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1197.96 (-0.53%) Bitfinex : 1198.10 (-0.62%) The Woodchipper : 1200.74 (-0.19%) itBit : 1199.15 (-0.42%) Kraken : 1193.00 (-0.07%) GDAX : 1203.63 (-0.20%) SLQ : 4 hours, 23 mins```
[2017-03-10 05:05:52] Sultan Pepper : XXXX: i'm not leaving open anything I don't want filled. That would be dumb, and anyone who does that is dumb. If you don't clear your orders before the decision, it's your fault
[2017-03-10 05:07:04] XXXX : Sultan Pepper: thats the point i an trying to convey.
[2017-03-10 05:14:59] Sultan Pepper : But it's your fault for being dumb, not BitMEX
[2017-03-10 05:15:10] Sultan Pepper : "your"
[2017-03-10 05:15:43] arbitrage101 : this is a gambling platform
[2017-03-10 05:18:32] jose : When does the June quarterly opens ?
[2017-03-10 05:18:58] arbitrage101 : jose: normally 1-2 weeks before it expires
[2017-03-10 05:19:01] BitMEX_John : jose: Friday 17 March
[2017-03-10 05:20:01] jose : so it still make sense to play on march contract for 1 week :D
[2017-03-10 05:20:52] DorianWhack-A-Moto : @BitMEX_John How long does COIN stay open after ETF annoucement?
[2017-03-10 05:21:01] rangle : is that order spamming bot still on? :)
[2017-03-10 05:21:05] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-03-10 05:21:08] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 43.87 / 56.13 Daily : 40.45 / 59.55 Weekly : 53.95 / 46.05 Monthly : 50.64 / 49.36```
[2017-03-10 05:21:46] DorianWhack-A-Moto : nevermind just read guide gain
[2017-03-10 05:21:48] DorianWhack-A-Moto : again
[2017-03-10 05:23:17] BitMEX_John : DorianWhack-A-Moto: no worries, just to clarify as well, we will make no changes to the way the contract trades prior to settlement regardless of when the SEC's decision is made public
[2017-03-10 05:24:00] DorianWhack-A-Moto : ok well that is uh...unsettling. so many things to try and manage with this etf.
[2017-03-10 05:24:50] BitMEX_John : DorianWhack-A-Moto: good luck :)
[2017-03-10 05:27:13] rangle : OKCoin doesnt want to pumpo
[2017-03-10 05:27:43] KyllingLolsson : Pump-san
[2017-03-10 05:35:55] Vintage : we break $1,300 today guys. you heard it hear first.
[2017-03-10 05:36:09] Vintage : i am away for the weekend to celebrate the ruling, enjoy !
[2017-03-10 05:38:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 9000 @ 1196.51
[2017-03-10 05:38:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 9000 @ 1196.29
[2017-03-10 05:46:29] Rune : very slow volume on exchnages right now
[2017-03-10 05:50:25] BitNut : BitMEX_John: John can you kindly tell me what the average daily interest would be averaged over an entire year? I fail to be able to understand the formula on the site. Just a broad average would be a super help.
[2017-03-10 05:51:47] startChat : BitNut: depend on volatility
[2017-03-10 05:52:09] startChat : blog posts have some annualized numbers
[2017-03-10 05:52:30] BitMEX_John : BitNut: it really is very difficult to provide that unfortunetly
[2017-03-10 05:53:12] BitNut : BitMEX_John: John is the interest higher during volatile periods?
[2017-03-10 05:54:11] BitMEX_John : BitNut: the rate in every 8 hour funding period is related to how far the market is trading the swap from the index price
[2017-03-10 05:54:47] BitMEX_John : BitNut: during volatile periods this difference in prices is more likely to increase
[2017-03-10 05:55:40] BitMEX_John : BitNut: so generally yes
[2017-03-10 05:56:25] BitNut : BitMEX_John: Super helpful thanks a bunch John
[2017-03-10 06:01:46] longbydefault : /sentiment
[2017-03-10 06:01:48] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 46.09 / 53.92 Daily : 40.59 / 59.41 Weekly : 53.91 / 46.09 Monthly : 50.63 / 49.37```
[2017-03-10 06:04:17] KingTuna : Looks like it's about to dump a little
[2017-03-10 06:06:25] elmorte : Rado: you're in KL??
[2017-03-10 06:06:42] Rune : it's going down but it is going down so slowly because there is no volume
[2017-03-10 06:06:43] Rado : yes
[2017-03-10 06:07:14] arbitrage101 : Rado: you have a local number here?
[2017-03-10 06:07:18] arbitrage101 : whatsapp/wechat
[2017-03-10 06:07:19] Rado : yes
[2017-03-10 06:07:31] arbitrage101 : my number +60122740518
[2017-03-10 06:07:47] arbitrage101 : will be free after jogging this afternoon
[2017-03-10 06:08:02] mahouni : You guys are fucking sitting at the hotel pool trading or you're from Malaysia
[2017-03-10 06:09:15] Rado : arbitrage101: how do I dial?
[2017-03-10 06:09:53] arbitrage101 : for local number
[2017-03-10 06:10:10] arbitrage101 : normall just type 0122740518 in contact or whatsapp/wechat
[2017-03-10 06:10:44] mahouni : Or maybe from some shady ass small dark room in brickfields
[2017-03-10 06:11:02] mahouni : That would be something
[2017-03-10 06:11:14] arbitrage101 : mahouni: you from kl also?
[2017-03-10 06:12:06] elmorte : Rado: k, I messaged you on twitter
[2017-03-10 06:12:18] mahouni : No no I've stayed there many times... months. OK place
[2017-03-10 06:13:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 77103 @ 1193.74 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-03-10 06:14:00] mahouni : Nice.. time to get fucking paid on my short
[2017-03-10 06:14:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 1 @ 1206.12 :punch: :whale:
[2017-03-10 06:14:09] arbitrage101 : moment of truth today
[2017-03-10 06:14:22] arbitrage101 : a farewell party for rapidtrades later?
[2017-03-10 06:14:40] .. : lol, bitmex longs getting rekt cuz 20 coin market sell on stamp :x
[2017-03-10 06:14:51] .. : other prices not moving at all
[2017-03-10 06:15:10] mahouni : Yeah it seems it's very thin all around
[2017-03-10 06:17:55] mahouni : But that 20 coins could be a start of something bigger
[2017-03-10 06:20:58] Farzad : /rekt
[2017-03-10 06:20:59] trollbot : ``` 3 recent REKTs > 100K: ``` ``` 12 hours, 40 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 160000 @ 1199.71 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 13 hours, 46 mins ago: Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 142359 @ 1214.07 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished: ``` ``` 16 hours, 45 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 232395 @ 1179.56 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire: ```
[2017-03-10 06:28:17] ching ching : any tips or strategies for me to make back 6 coins i lost in the shortest possible time? :)
[2017-03-10 06:28:20] .. : finex going down
[2017-03-10 06:28:55] Rune : oh it finally started
[2017-03-10 06:29:11] arbitrage101 : ching ching: how did you lose 6 coins
[2017-03-10 06:29:13] Rune : what do you think 1100?
[2017-03-10 06:29:15] startChat : ching ching: 100x balls to the wall
[2017-03-10 06:29:28] -_- : Crash city
[2017-03-10 06:29:33] .. : tbh looks like a bear flag that just broke down, but not sure if we can go that low with ETF hope
[2017-03-10 06:29:53] .. : (I guess not, but will see)
[2017-03-10 06:30:02] ching ching : i was doing well for a few days but then one day, what ever way i betted the market went the opposite way
[2017-03-10 06:30:19] arbitrage101 : using 100x leverage?
[2017-03-10 06:30:23] ching ching : i had a 100k order, this wiped me out,
[2017-03-10 06:30:27] ching ching : no not on 100x
[2017-03-10 06:30:31] -_- : xbth17 dumped $24
[2017-03-10 06:30:39] -_- : with no big wall for another $7
[2017-03-10 06:30:40] -_- : gg
[2017-03-10 06:31:24] longbydefault : ching ching: how many btc did you lose?
[2017-03-10 06:31:27] -_- : DASH and ETH 2 coins to long few hours ago
[2017-03-10 06:31:33] aeos : -_-: long or short =D
[2017-03-10 06:31:45] ching ching : 5.5 at the time, another 1 trying to recover losses
[2017-03-10 06:31:47] ching ching : so 6 total
[2017-03-10 06:32:06] longbydefault : ching ching: ouch... still playing?
[2017-03-10 06:32:24] ching ching : longbydefault: yeah, just with added caution
[2017-03-10 06:32:34] -_- : Last chance to dump before etf in 12 hours
[2017-03-10 06:32:57] longbydefault : ching ching: ok... wish you better luck
[2017-03-10 06:33:27] ching ching : longbydefault: i see this as a long term game, so hopefully will recover soon. Thanks! best of luck to you also
[2017-03-10 06:37:59] activemind : ching ching: I have
[2017-03-10 06:38:56] activemind : ching ching: captain@yopmail.com send me email
[2017-03-10 06:48:41] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-03-10 06:48:44] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 52.80 / 47.20 Daily : 41.29 / 58.71 Weekly : 53.90 / 46.10 Monthly : 50.63 / 49.37```
[2017-03-10 06:48:49] longbydefault : activemind: hello, can you share with me too the tips you were going to share with chin gching
[2017-03-10 06:49:05] rangle : i feel so annoyed when i look at 18 BTC i sold in 2015 around $350
[2017-03-10 06:51:50] RoftheN : How should I stoploss for the ETF?
[2017-03-10 06:53:53] .. : finex dumping 1184
[2017-03-10 06:53:56] -_- : finex
[2017-03-10 06:54:02] -_- : damn you were quick ...
[2017-03-10 06:54:27] bob404 : coinbase still going up
[2017-03-10 06:54:30] rangle : 3 BTC is a dump now?
[2017-03-10 06:54:33] KyllingLolsson : You longers are bad (or sick), SAD!
[2017-03-10 06:54:40] -_- : 1177
[2017-03-10 06:54:48] .. : lol 3 btc
[2017-03-10 06:54:48] rangle : lol, there you go
[2017-03-10 06:55:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1500 @ 1187.40
[2017-03-10 06:55:04] .. : it was already 100+ coins before I said it :p
[2017-03-10 06:55:06] -_- : we announce when the dump starts
[2017-03-10 06:55:11] -_- : so you bulls can react rast
[2017-03-10 06:55:11] .. : seems just 1 whale market selling though
[2017-03-10 06:55:14] -_- : fast
[2017-03-10 06:56:37] bob404 : can we dump yet?
[2017-03-10 06:56:42] KyllingLolsson : Laughing in Trump
[2017-03-10 06:57:20] guacamole : RoftheN: unless you want to get played by manipulators, you don't stop loss for the etf
[2017-03-10 06:57:30] RoftheN : Oh okay
[2017-03-10 06:57:31] .. : few mins ago I made this screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/Bz5kMcb.png but tbh dont think it will happen with the ETF hope, but we will see (disclaimer: im TA noob too)
[2017-03-10 06:57:43] RoftheN : So I should just short a few contracts
[2017-03-10 06:58:10] guacamole : yeah best to get in now if you want to hedge or long
[2017-03-10 06:58:20] guacamole : well, maybe in an hour and 15 minutes
[2017-03-10 06:59:12] -_- : 1 hour till settlement
[2017-03-10 06:59:13] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 10000 @ 1183.44
[2017-03-10 06:59:13] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 3000 @ 1182.95
[2017-03-10 06:59:57] KingTuna : wooohooooo
[2017-03-10 07:00:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 240 @ 1195.69
[2017-03-10 07:00:17] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2017-03-10 07:00:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 50 @ 1182.50
[2017-03-10 07:00:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 54319 @ 1181.73 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2017-03-10 07:00:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 10000 @ 1182.43
[2017-03-10 07:00:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 18000 @ 1181.49
[2017-03-10 07:00:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 3000 @ 1182.09
[2017-03-10 07:00:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 240 @ 1182.74
[2017-03-10 07:01:39] Ahhere : omg guise
[2017-03-10 07:02:55] mahouni : Where is that bitch sleger
[2017-03-10 07:03:03] guacamole : okc manipulators might be taking it easy on us this week
[2017-03-10 07:03:48] -_- : whales in china still buying when they cant withdraw BTC
[2017-03-10 07:03:57] Ahhere : buy now or cry later
[2017-03-10 07:04:15] aeos : Ahhere: u long yet?
[2017-03-10 07:04:30] huminahhuminahuminah : @support, why when entering a long stop limit order does the cost value fluctuate?
[2017-03-10 07:04:37] Ahhere : is the pope catholic? @aeos
[2017-03-10 07:04:52] aeos : Ahhere: lol
[2017-03-10 07:04:53] Actualiteit : Ahhere: the current one is obviously not
[2017-03-10 07:05:00] mahouni : I'm putting 50k contracts down from here
[2017-03-10 07:05:20] Ahhere : Actualiteit: sorry. is the pope muslim??
[2017-03-10 07:06:07] Rune : last min people want to get out before etf decision is final
[2017-03-10 07:06:39] Ahhere : boring.
[2017-03-10 07:07:09] mahouni : Maybe or the small rise was just to get more straight to bigger down turn
[2017-03-10 07:07:20] rapidtrades : good morning longs and people who are on the right side of history!
[2017-03-10 07:07:23] mahouni : *more steam
[2017-03-10 07:07:35] -_- : stamp dumpin
[2017-03-10 07:07:48] huminahhuminahuminah : anyone know why Cost value keeps rising on a long stop limit order>
[2017-03-10 07:07:59] rapidtrades : this is a fine mornin to shit in a bull's cereal
[2017-03-10 07:08:12] Tetsuo : Fukk ur life Bittkoerners
[2017-03-10 07:08:21] -_- : stamp buy side gonna be thin
[2017-03-10 07:08:43] guacamole : oh no, the buttcoiner crew has arrived
[2017-03-10 07:08:49] rapidtrades : huminahhuminahuminah: cos the order calculates how much BTC there is if you buy up to X
[2017-03-10 07:09:06] Ahhere : Bears stayed up all night for a mini shart
[2017-03-10 07:09:12] rapidtrades : as we go further down it will continue to increase
[2017-03-10 07:09:46] BitMEX_John : huminahhuminahuminah: will your stop order increase your position value on execution?
[2017-03-10 07:09:53] huminahhuminahuminah : yes
[2017-03-10 07:11:02] rapidtrades : cost it not accurate if ur buying/selling far from the current market price
[2017-03-10 07:11:26] -_- : okc spot trying to bring everyone else down
[2017-03-10 07:11:41] rapidtrades : settlement trump!
[2017-03-10 07:12:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBCH17`: sell 1800 @ 7846.3
[2017-03-10 07:12:24] Rune : that 200k wall is almost gone
[2017-03-10 07:12:44] rapidtrades : LET'S BUST SOME BULL TEETH
[2017-03-10 07:12:51] BitNut : can somebody please tell me how I make the sound activate when I have the notifications pop up?
[2017-03-10 07:13:21] huminahhuminahuminah : Thanks Rapidtrades and John. But why would the total cost of the trade fluctuate since I'm entering hard limit values?
[2017-03-10 07:14:23] huminahhuminahuminah : like in minutes the price of the same order went up 2 BTC
[2017-03-10 07:14:35] BitMEX_John : huminahhuminahuminah: I will need to consult another member of our team one moment
[2017-03-10 07:15:22] BitMEX_John : BitNut: you can change your sound setting here https://www.bitmex.com/app/preferences
[2017-03-10 07:15:57] BitNut : Thanks
[2017-03-10 07:16:14] aethlios : rapidtrades: if etf rejected where do you think bitmex march will land? okcoin march?
[2017-03-10 07:16:32] rapidtrades : idk hoping <900
[2017-03-10 07:17:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 10250 @ 1190.31
[2017-03-10 07:17:59] -_- : stamp dump
[2017-03-10 07:18:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1000 @ 1180.22
[2017-03-10 07:18:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 900 @ 1179.49
[2017-03-10 07:18:31] .. : > **BEAR** flag `confirmed` https://i.imgur.com/Bz5kMcb.png - target: **1078**
[2017-03-10 07:18:36] -_- : big dump coming
[2017-03-10 07:20:24] mahouni : Lol this is sustained down trend/ pressure no quick dump and up
[2017-03-10 07:21:11] Rune : this break was pretty obviously I am just wondering where it stops
[2017-03-10 07:21:13] aethlios : rapidtrades: 800s i will try to catch the dump
[2017-03-10 07:21:54] aethlios : news from chinese exchanges are bad also, market waits etf to dump twice the bad news.
[2017-03-10 07:24:14] freundschaft : aah i was waiting for that dump yesterday, but due to weak hands I bought back half of my shorts :'(
[2017-03-10 07:24:35] freundschaft : actually it was today, but before I went to sleep
[2017-03-10 07:27:02] RoftheN : Let's build a buywall at 888
[2017-03-10 07:27:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJH17`: sell 1000 @ 140223
[2017-03-10 07:27:53] huminahhuminahuminah : John, any news
[2017-03-10 07:28:01] huminahhuminahuminah : getting sleepy over here :)
[2017-03-10 07:30:32] BitMEX_John : huminahhuminahuminah: stop orders do not have a cost to place, the cost in the 'Place Order' panel is for after the stop is triggered
[2017-03-10 07:30:56] BitMEX_John : huminahhuminahuminah: if you don't have enough available margin when the stop order is triggered the position is cancelled
[2017-03-10 07:32:14] huminahhuminahuminah : cool, thanks.
[2017-03-10 07:34:36] BitMEX_John : huminahhuminahuminah: also regarding the fluctuating price, this happens when the contract is trading at a significant premium/discount to the mark price
[2017-03-10 07:35:58] BitMEX_John : huminahhuminahuminah: we need to ensure a buffer (known as open order premium) in case the difference between your entry price and the mark price would immediately liquidate you
[2017-03-10 07:36:09] BitMEX_John : huminahhuminahuminah: as liquidations are based on the mark price
[2017-03-10 07:39:05] Heyya : I need some help: how to close position partially, not fully?
[2017-03-10 07:39:31] BitMEX_John : Heyya: buy contracts to partially close a short, sell to partially close a long
[2017-03-10 07:39:38] c.l : reversible order with partial count do works.
[2017-03-10 07:39:44] Heyya : ah, thanks
[2017-03-10 07:39:48] kurkudu : again rapid bought all the dips ?
[2017-03-10 07:39:50] huminahhuminahuminah : Thanks John. So basically, that's why it would be super difficult to enter a straddle trade on the ETF decision
[2017-03-10 07:40:35] huminahhuminahuminah : (e.g. buy both an out of the money short and long position on BTC/USD) as premiums would eat much of the intended move.
[2017-03-10 07:42:15] kryptopojken : guys
[2017-03-10 07:42:26] kryptopojken : i have a super small position, 1.03x currently
[2017-03-10 07:42:37] kryptopojken : why is the ADL indicator at 3/5??
[2017-03-10 07:42:52] kryptopojken : im on cross margin
[2017-03-10 07:43:21] c.l : huminahhuminahuminah: you may needs two account
[2017-03-10 07:43:36] BitMEX_John : kryptopojken: which contract are you trading?
[2017-03-10 07:43:47] kryptopojken : BitMEX_John: btc march
[2017-03-10 07:44:23] rapidtrades : what a weak settlemetn dump
[2017-03-10 07:44:44] BitMEX_John : kryptopojken: each bar is a 20% increment
[2017-03-10 07:45:09] BitMEX_John : kryptopojken: https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2017-03-10 07:45:14] huminahhuminahuminah : Thanks c.I. Yeah, but these premiums are insane. Figured it was too obvious a strategy to execute...
[2017-03-10 07:45:39] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-03-10 07:45:41] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 65.11 / 34.89 Daily : 44.08 / 55.92 Weekly : 54.12 / 45.88 Monthly : 50.70 / 49.30```
[2017-03-10 07:46:08] kryptopojken : BitMEX_John: yes, but how extremely unleveraged must the other traders be for me to NOT be at the extreme bottom of the queue at 1.03?
[2017-03-10 07:46:41] KyllingLolsson : köttbulle
[2017-03-10 07:46:41] kurkudu : postion size matters,smaller higher in the queue @kryptopojken
[2017-03-10 07:47:20] kryptopojken : kurkudu: hmm ok
[2017-03-10 07:47:54] rapidtrades : position size doesn't matter
[2017-03-10 07:47:56] c.l : not obvious strategy
[2017-03-10 07:48:00] rapidtrades : its mostly profit then leverage
[2017-03-10 07:48:25] c.l : huminahhuminahuminah: two account with 1btc on 50x each side.
[2017-03-10 07:48:35] rapidtrades : kryptopojken: are u short?
[2017-03-10 07:48:43] kryptopojken : rapidtrades: long
[2017-03-10 07:48:53] rapidtrades : well fu then
[2017-03-10 07:49:10] KyllingLolsson : short
[2017-03-10 07:49:14] kryptopojken : lol its a super small position, like 13k cont
[2017-03-10 07:49:23] huminahhuminahuminah : c.I, problem witht hat strategy is 1) 2% move I die and 2) Premium on the long was > 50% spot price
[2017-03-10 07:49:32] c.l : one account have 50 btc, another account will liquidated. maybe both account will possible
[2017-03-10 07:49:45] kurkudu : at least you make money before adl, not like these silly shorters @kryptopojken
[2017-03-10 07:49:57] aethlios : huobi 4.4 mill usd volume, from 300 billions to 4.4 miilions
[2017-03-10 07:50:26] c.l : then decreasing leverage
[2017-03-10 07:50:34] huminahhuminahuminah : premium?
[2017-03-10 07:51:21] kryptopojken : BitMEX_John: can u see the distribution of other traders on march contract? this is kinda disturbing
[2017-03-10 07:53:23] Farzad : gm guys'
[2017-03-10 07:54:06] Farzad : What do u think about putting a buy stop above and sell stop below current price for trading ETF news ?
[2017-03-10 07:54:23] BitMEX_John : kryptopojken: we do have access to that information
[2017-03-10 07:54:37] -_- : Farzad: good way to get filled far away from where you want to be filled
[2017-03-10 07:54:48] -_- : unless it is like 15,000 contracts
[2017-03-10 07:55:14] -_- : the order book will be so thin after the news
[2017-03-10 07:56:55] Farzad : hmmm
[2017-03-10 07:56:56] KyllingLolsson : /sentiment
[2017-03-10 07:56:58] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 54.15 / 45.86 Daily : 43.94 / 56.06 Weekly : 54.11 / 45.89 Monthly : 50.70 / 49.30```
[2017-03-10 07:59:51] -_- : Farzad: every exchange insta goes a certain way $40 everyone will know a big trader got the news. then soon we are at 1300 going into bubble land or heading towards 1000 as people try to guess the bottom
[2017-03-10 08:00:12] -_- : gonna be a shitshow most likely
[2017-03-10 08:00:38] -_- : i cant bring myself to stay in a position knowing i will be down like 50% + by the time i get out if i guess wrong
[2017-03-10 08:00:41] Heyya : BitMEX_John: my risk limit is rising if the market price rises, can it raise autimatically to >200 XBT?
[2017-03-10 08:02:02] -_- : unless it is like 2x-3x and if you guess right increase leverage and market buy more contracts or bail at small loss and fomo the other way
[2017-03-10 08:02:11] -_- : will be fun. hope i'm at my computer when it happens
[2017-03-10 08:02:22] Farzad : -_-: I agree that you may get a lot of slippage if u place 2 stop orders, but at least you are not at the risk of guessing the direction.