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[2017-03-07 00:35:31] Brazilian Goat : /joke
[2017-03-07 00:35:32] trollbot : ``` What rock group has four men that don't sing? Mount Rushmore.```
[2017-03-07 00:35:35] CutTheLosses : sleger: i am long! you?
[2017-03-07 00:35:55] sleger : I am flort
[2017-03-07 00:36:02] sleger : shong
[2017-03-07 00:36:11] laisee : shlong?
[2017-03-07 00:36:16] CutTheLosses : is it chinese?
[2017-03-07 00:36:46] sleger : no we are in the english trollbox here
[2017-03-07 00:36:56] sleger : chinese only convo with rekt
[2017-03-07 00:37:33] Apocalyptic : CutTheLosses: I suspect sleger is as wel
[2017-03-07 00:37:44] sleger : long ?
[2017-03-07 00:37:49] Apocalyptic : yes
[2017-03-07 00:38:04] Brazilian Goat : shong
[2017-03-07 00:38:05] sleger : i am long ethusd
[2017-03-07 00:38:13] sleger : i am long xbtcny vs xbtusd
[2017-03-07 00:38:35] sleger : then i have my etf decision trade which i will only announce after the outcome
[2017-03-07 00:38:43] CutTheLosses : interesting
[2017-03-07 00:38:51] CutTheLosses : some complexity here
[2017-03-07 00:39:02] Apocalyptic : sleger: you don't even have a hedge short ?
[2017-03-07 00:39:24] sleger : all my btc are hedged
[2017-03-07 00:39:45] sleger : im not gambling the sec decision over which i have no control
[2017-03-07 00:40:07] Farzad_IRC : cool IRC :D
[2017-03-07 00:40:27] CutTheLosses : welcome to the interwebz
[2017-03-07 00:40:29] sleger : so all in usd with no pure directional trade (besides ethusd)
[2017-03-07 00:41:20] sleger : and my ethusd has nothing to do with the etf
[2017-03-07 00:41:26] sleger : i've had it for a while and for a while
[2017-03-07 00:41:34] Apocalyptic : I'm considering shutting down my MM
[2017-03-07 00:41:36] Farzad_IRC : sleger: even if u r hedged u should make sure u have enough margin. otherwise one side may get liquidated.
[2017-03-07 00:41:58] Farzad : Apocalyptic: u have a MM ?
[2017-03-07 00:42:06] Apocalyptic : short of having a PDF-paser a la lockhedge I'm going to get torn to pieces
[2017-03-07 00:42:07] Farzad : Apocalyptic: profitable ?
[2017-03-07 00:42:10] sleger : i dont think you understand the definition of a hedge @Farzad_IRC
[2017-03-07 00:42:34] Farzad : sleger: really ? OK then, teach me
[2017-03-07 00:42:34] CutTheLosses : i am thinking about converting some BTC into silver
[2017-03-07 00:42:35] Apocalyptic : Farzad: Guess I you wouldn't be here otherwise
[2017-03-07 00:42:38] CutTheLosses : ultimate hedge
[2017-03-07 00:42:56] Brazilian Goat : /rekt
[2017-03-07 00:42:56] trollbot : ``` 20 hours, 38 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 52377 @ 1269.51 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:```
[2017-03-07 00:42:56] trollbot : ``` 20 hours, 38 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 50000 @ 1269.19 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:```
[2017-03-07 00:42:56] trollbot : ``` 3 hours, 57 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 390000 @ 1300.55 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:```
[2017-03-07 00:42:56] trollbot : ``` 3 hours, 57 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 150000 @ 1304.02 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:```
[2017-03-07 00:43:03] Farzad : Apocalyptic: I have not succeeded in making a profitable MM bot yet :D
[2017-03-07 00:43:14] Apocalyptic : Farzad: yeah you told me last time
[2017-03-07 00:43:15] sleger : Farzad: if you have 1btc and you sell 1250 contracts here, you (almost) cant get liquidated
[2017-03-07 00:43:49] Farzad : sleger: and what about the other side ?
[2017-03-07 00:43:53] laisee : Farzad: sleger is long && short for ETF decision.
[2017-03-07 00:44:35] laisee : prolly his greatest risk is counterparty, not BTC price.
[2017-03-07 00:44:35] sleger : Farzad: you said liquidated thats not liquidation
[2017-03-07 00:44:58] cryptonoob : /price
[2017-03-07 00:44:59] Farzad : Apocalyptic: I think your bots are not real MM by definition. you have trading bots who place limit orders, thats not MM.
[2017-03-07 00:45:02] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1278.92 (0.05%) Bitfinex : 1279.30 (-0.02%) The Woodchipper : 1279.69 (-0.01%) itBit : 1281.99 (0.03%) Kraken : 1274.45 (-0.41%) GDAX : 1282.89 (-0.15%) SLQ : 10 mins```
[2017-03-07 00:45:20] Apocalyptic : Farzad: I beg your pardon ?
[2017-03-07 00:45:35] sleger : Apocalyptic: he said "I think your bots are not real MM by definition. you have trading bots who place limit orders, thats not MM."
[2017-03-07 00:45:51] Apocalyptic : ty sleger
[2017-03-07 00:46:05] Farzad : Apocalyptic: MM means u make money by spread and commission, without caring about market direction. is it what you are doing ?
[2017-03-07 00:46:30] Apocalyptic : yes, I quote bids & asks at every moment in time
[2017-03-07 00:46:38] Apocalyptic : pretty sure that's what an MM is
[2017-03-07 00:46:56] Apocalyptic : I'm wondering where you got "you have trading bots who place limit orders, thats not MM" from
[2017-03-07 00:47:54] Farzad : Apocalyptic: MM should not have almost equal buy and sell orders to process, so they are not imposed to market movements, but we do not have enough liquidity here for that.
[2017-03-07 00:48:13] Farzad : should have *
[2017-03-07 00:48:23] Apocalyptic : Farzad: you seem to know more than me then
[2017-03-07 00:49:50] Farzad : Apocalyptic: No, I am talking about perfect MM conditions.
[2017-03-07 00:50:07] Farzad : which u r not exposed to trends.
[2017-03-07 00:50:23] sleger : your definition is a bit extreme
[2017-03-07 00:50:33] Farzad : the problem of MM is that u always trade against the trends
[2017-03-07 00:50:37] sleger : im sure many pro hft firms wouldnt qualify as mm by your definition
[2017-03-07 00:50:43] j8 : you're saying a market maker can only exist in a market that's already made
[2017-03-07 00:51:03] -_- : nice little okc quarterly pump
[2017-03-07 00:51:11] sleger : i'm just going to post here this ... :
[2017-03-07 00:51:16] tb : "the problem of MM is that u always trade against the trends" -only if you're dumb
[2017-03-07 00:51:28] sleger : " Farzad: Apocalyptic: I have not succeeded in making a profitable MM bot yet ?"
[2017-03-07 00:51:58] Apocalyptic : j8: hey, you're going to quote through the news ?
[2017-03-07 00:52:21] j8 : what do you think
[2017-03-07 00:52:23] Farzad : tb: well, if u can predict the trends, there is no need to be a market maker. go and trade the trend !
[2017-03-07 00:52:40] lockhedge : Farzad: over a long enough time period, there is no trend. i'm not using dynamic hedging for my bot, so it's always trading "against the trend"
[2017-03-07 00:52:49] Apocalyptic : j8: my guess is not really, or with some insane spread
[2017-03-07 00:53:15] Apocalyptic : at least we'll have lockhedge quotin
[2017-03-07 00:53:16] j8 : sure asks at $2000
[2017-03-07 00:53:22] sleger : "lockhedge: Farzad: over a long enough time period, there is no trend"
[2017-03-07 00:53:30] sleger : have you looked at any equity index ?
[2017-03-07 00:53:34] sleger : heard of inflation ?
[2017-03-07 00:53:34] Apocalyptic : 20% spread ftw
[2017-03-07 00:55:13] tb : its so fun
[2017-03-07 00:55:17] tb : 10 million notional here
[2017-03-07 00:55:30] tb : probably 7m+ overleveraged
[2017-03-07 00:55:36] Farzad : Apocalyptic: 20% spread is like $250 right now !
[2017-03-07 00:55:40] tb : just need to wait till decision and watch the rekts
[2017-03-07 00:55:49] lockhedge : sleger: i said "long enough time period" ;)
[2017-03-07 00:56:08] sleger : lockhedge: look at any equity over a long enough time period
[2017-03-07 00:56:09] Apocalyptic : Farzad: yeah, insane isn't it
[2017-03-07 00:57:16] Farzad : Apocalyptic: u r kidding, right ? if u set 20% spread, your orders would never get filled.
[2017-03-07 00:57:49] Apocalyptic : in current market conditions sure
[2017-03-07 00:58:07] Apocalyptic : in the minutes following the ETF decision they might
[2017-03-07 00:58:21] sleger : sell at 1500 buy back at 2000
[2017-03-07 00:58:43] Farzad : Apocalyptic: sure, but what about normal market conditions ?
[2017-03-07 00:59:40] Apocalyptic : well in normal market conditions you quote a reasonably normal spread
[2017-03-07 00:59:48] mtourig3 : Apocalyptic: 20% spread on what?
[2017-03-07 01:00:37] sleger : reasonable is 1$ or 5% (bottom feeder)
[2017-03-07 01:00:46] sleger : ?
[2017-03-07 01:00:50] sleger : *5$
[2017-03-07 01:03:22] zy : so the price is stablising now?
[2017-03-07 01:04:10] sleger : btw how do you guys feel that there is no leverage reduction ?
[2017-03-07 01:04:15] sleger : zy: yes, sure
[2017-03-07 01:04:28] Apocalyptic : sleger: disappointed
[2017-03-07 01:04:58] sleger : nobody will really hold a winning position through the announcement
[2017-03-07 01:06:12] rustiv : /pol/ predicts ETF approval
[2017-03-07 01:06:19] rustiv : /pol/ is always right I heard
[2017-03-07 01:06:31] sleger : *always*
[2017-03-07 01:07:29] sleger : seems like we have new batches of 200 dummies every day now. rustiv probably part of the last one, or the one from yesterday
[2017-03-07 01:08:04] rustiv : i came with de batch from december 16
[2017-03-07 01:08:25] rustiv : still alive and doing good
[2017-03-07 01:09:09] sleger : all good things come to an end
[2017-03-07 01:09:13] sleger : bad ones too
[2017-03-07 01:11:06] Bitcoingirl : SegWit = scam
[2017-03-07 01:11:08] sleger : how do i easily get 1hr or 1d banned from polo trollbox ?
[2017-03-07 01:11:32] Apocalyptic : sleger: try linking to a competing exchange
[2017-03-07 01:11:34] sleger : i've never been banned yet, feeling like im wasting my points not being banned
[2017-03-07 01:11:38] Apocalyptic : bonus with referall links
[2017-03-07 01:11:42] sleger : Apocalyptic: something more subtle
[2017-03-07 01:11:48] rangle : just put in a "____ coin to the moon"
[2017-03-07 01:11:51] sleger : or maybe just name it
[2017-03-07 01:12:02] sleger : if i name an exchange with no link ?
[2017-03-07 01:12:16] sleger : for instance, oh i bought xyz at a great price on bitmex ?
[2017-03-07 01:12:29] Apocalyptic : worth a shot
[2017-03-07 01:12:30] micmix : sleger: imho they should have decreased leverage to 50x long time ago. 100x is insane with current volatility but they don't want to lose on fees
[2017-03-07 01:12:36] sleger : I said earlier : lots of buy on eth on bitmex (was true) and nothing
[2017-03-07 01:12:44] Apocalyptic : micmix: can't agree more
[2017-03-07 01:12:47] sleger : micmix: yes but then no position will win
[2017-03-07 01:12:54] sleger : on etf decision, immediate ADL
[2017-03-07 01:12:56] Apocalyptic : but even 50x for the announcement is better than nothing at all
[2017-03-07 01:13:07] sleger : so you cant even gamble, trade or hedge ....
[2017-03-07 01:13:12] sleger : more than maybe 50$ move
[2017-03-07 01:13:30] micmix : 100x is good marketing though, and marketing beats everything
[2017-03-07 01:13:41] sleger : you can have 100x but not this week
[2017-03-07 01:13:45] micmix : I know, everyone will be adled here
[2017-03-07 01:13:56] lockhedge : imho 50x or 20x wouldn't change a lot in extreme scenarios, only concentrate liqs at a closer price
[2017-03-07 01:14:15] sleger : lockhedge: maintenance margin would be extremely different are you crazy ????
[2017-03-07 01:14:21] sleger : right now it is 0.5% !!!!
[2017-03-07 01:14:36] sleger : with 10x you can make it 7.5% for instance
[2017-03-07 01:14:41] sleger : that is 15x more
[2017-03-07 01:14:45] lockhedge : agree maintenance margin is a problem, but they can't change it easily
[2017-03-07 01:14:53] sleger : yes they can
[2017-03-07 01:15:05] sleger : 50x leverage ,maintenance from 0.5 to 1.5%
[2017-03-07 01:15:09] sleger : that is 3x more
[2017-03-07 01:15:10] Apocalyptic : Sam hinted he would consider it
[2017-03-07 01:15:24] sleger : leverage 20x, maintenance 3% or more, that is so much better
[2017-03-07 01:15:34] sleger : Apocalyptic: if they havent yet its too late
[2017-03-07 01:15:47] sleger : decision could have been today
[2017-03-07 01:15:58] Apocalyptic : sleger: I know
[2017-03-07 01:16:30] Apocalyptic : maybe if we're lucky they'll do it in the middle of the week
[2017-03-07 01:16:48] sleger : that would just be stupid
[2017-03-07 01:16:53] sleger : why wait so long
[2017-03-07 01:16:59] sleger : they just shouldnt do it now
[2017-03-07 01:17:06] sleger : it was earlier or never
[2017-03-07 01:17:22] sleger : anyways, trade accordingly
[2017-03-07 01:17:31] Apocalyptic : it the decision is announced Friday afternoon I would rather had it done late than never
[2017-03-07 01:18:32] Apocalyptic : however illogical that may be
[2017-03-07 01:21:30] sleger : going 50x long and short with 0.5% maint margin might make sense
[2017-03-07 01:21:41] sleger : there is probably no insurance fund left for btc anyways
[2017-03-07 01:29:06] promanner : DAMN
[2017-03-07 01:29:07] promanner : https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/838922395545034752
[2017-03-07 01:30:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 1742 @ 0.015280
[2017-03-07 01:30:12] Apocalyptic : so he did it
[2017-03-07 01:30:27] Apocalyptic : he's gonna pay miners extra btc from his pocket
[2017-03-07 01:30:50] rustiv : he really wants to be the rothschild of bitcoin
[2017-03-07 01:30:59] -_- : eth dumping
[2017-03-07 01:37:05] DorianWhack-A-Moto : promanner: 110% block rewards? lolwut?
[2017-03-07 01:37:44] promanner : It's subsidized
[2017-03-07 01:37:48] promanner : to support Bitcoin Unlimited
[2017-03-07 01:37:54] promanner : This will be bad for the ETF
[2017-03-07 01:38:09] promanner : Further discord within the bitcoin community
[2017-03-07 01:39:03] reyno : this is the most stable I've seen the price for a while
[2017-03-07 01:39:24] reyno : literally all day its not done anythinh
[2017-03-07 01:41:22] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Ver is literally trying to bribe miners to go with BU. What a dick.
[2017-03-07 01:41:27] sleger : roger ver saving rapid ? I dont see it happening
[2017-03-07 01:42:29] sleger : i cant get banned from polo
[2017-03-07 01:42:40] sleger : i mentioned 2 other exchanges
[2017-03-07 01:42:48] sleger : i said eth too cheap good buyzzz
[2017-03-07 01:42:54] sleger : i mentioned kraken !
[2017-03-07 01:43:33] sleger : i dont want to be too brutal, i want a warning, then a subtle fock off for the warning and see if i get a short ban
[2017-03-07 01:43:35] sleger : help ?
[2017-03-07 01:44:47] sleger : dom 2002 and pomerol 2010, this was a good evening, would like to finish it with a quick piss off of some polo admin
[2017-03-07 01:46:16] oz : wat
[2017-03-07 01:47:14] sleger : oz: you need a dictionary ?
[2017-03-07 01:47:47] DorianWhack-A-Moto : I need a dictionary too.
[2017-03-07 01:48:06] oz : I need an adult
[2017-03-07 01:48:08] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Something something polo, something kraken...something something
[2017-03-07 01:48:13] oz : ^ thats all I got
[2017-03-07 01:48:51] j8 : sleger: try telling everyone they get better leverage on altcoins at bitmex
[2017-03-07 01:49:08] sleger : j8: let me be more subtle for instance :
[2017-03-07 01:49:24] sleger : what is the setting to get the same leverage than bitmex
[2017-03-07 01:49:29] sleger : would that work ?
[2017-03-07 01:49:42] j8 : hehe
[2017-03-07 01:50:30] sleger : "superrapidtrades: Hey, can someone help me pleazzzz ? what is the setting to get the same leverage than bitmex ?"
[2017-03-07 01:50:49] sleger : and I got : "VenomGhost: superrapidtrades, Want to Margin Trade or Lend, read about it here: https://poloniex.com/support/aboutMarginTrading"
[2017-03-07 01:50:57] sleger : they only help me WTH
[2017-03-07 01:51:38] sleger : maybe its because i have over few hundred btc there they are nicer ?
[2017-03-07 01:52:04] rangle : youre too bored
[2017-03-07 01:52:08] sleger : "eyejay: superrapidtrades, there is no setting, 2.5 x is max"
[2017-03-07 01:52:20] sleger : "Abecedarian: superrapidtrades, lol"
[2017-03-07 01:52:23] sleger : thats all i got
[2017-03-07 01:52:44] sleger : j8: wth ?
[2017-03-07 01:53:13] sleger : at least here it s easy, you insult everyone's mom for 2 days and you get a ban
[2017-03-07 01:53:14] Apocalyptic : "maybe its because i have over few hundred btc there they are nicer " <-- might be relevant
[2017-03-07 01:53:29] DorianWhack-A-Moto : lol funniest meme i've seen in a while:
[2017-03-07 01:53:30] DorianWhack-A-Moto : https://i.redd.it/koa6rtxgq1jy.jpg
[2017-03-07 01:53:33] sleger : you actually think their "mods" see that real time ? @Apocalyptic
[2017-03-07 01:53:49] sleger : I doubt it
[2017-03-07 01:53:57] Apocalyptic : sleger: I'm sure they can see it in a second in their mod interface
[2017-03-07 01:54:13] Apocalyptic : since they can cancel withdrawals and do other stuff with balances
[2017-03-07 01:54:17] lockhedge : it's probably a chat bot
[2017-03-07 01:54:20] sleger : I thought mods were mostly regular users there
[2017-03-07 01:54:30] sleger : i never use their chat its impossible to follow
[2017-03-07 01:54:40] Apocalyptic : sleger: no, he definitely has some panel access
[2017-03-07 01:54:47] sleger : have you guys noticed my username there ?
[2017-03-07 01:54:54] sleger : "superrapidtrades"
[2017-03-07 01:55:10] micmix : sleger: try saying something like "your mom gives me bigger leverage than polo" to the mod
[2017-03-07 01:55:26] Apocalyptic : sleger: I would have gone with "rapidmoons", but yours is not bad
[2017-03-07 01:55:28] sleger : micmix: how long of a ban ?
[2017-03-07 01:55:58] micmix : 1 day I guess
[2017-03-07 01:56:04] sleger : cool
[2017-03-07 01:56:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `DASH7D`: sell 3 @ 0.035505
[2017-03-07 01:56:41] sleger : "superrapidtrades: VenomGhost, my friend micmix told me to tell you that your mom (and arthut) gives me bigger leverage than polo"
[2017-03-07 01:57:06] micmix : lol
[2017-03-07 01:57:33] sleger : NOTHINH
[2017-03-07 01:57:53] micmix : immune to mom jokes? that's not right
[2017-03-07 01:57:56] sleger : no reply no ban
[2017-03-07 01:57:57] lockhedge : chat bot can't answer that question ;)
[2017-03-07 01:57:59] rapidtrades : lol 110% mining reward
[2017-03-07 01:58:11] rapidtrades : roger ver really wants to take down bitcoin
[2017-03-07 01:58:40] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: he's been saying for a year that he has no issue paying miners to mine his version
[2017-03-07 01:58:41] sleger : rapidtrades: you missed all my fun at polo box
[2017-03-07 01:59:07] Apocalyptic : now he just put money where his mouth was
[2017-03-07 01:59:21] rapidtrades : love how the market has become incapable of digesting any bad news
[2017-03-07 01:59:46] rapidtrades : consolidating near highs can only mean one thing, acceptance has been priced in
[2017-03-07 02:00:17] sleger : rapidtrades: "superrapidtrades: VenomGhost, my friend micmix told me to tell you that your mom (and arthut) gives me bigger leverage than polo" <= i told that to polo admin
[2017-03-07 02:00:22] sleger : he didnt even reply
[2017-03-07 02:00:33] rapidtrades : the crash after withdrawal with be EPIC
[2017-03-07 02:00:53] sleger : i am polo immortal
[2017-03-07 02:00:59] Apocalyptic : sleger: he knows you're trolling him
[2017-03-07 02:01:07] sleger : Apocalyptic: yes but they ban trolls
[2017-03-07 02:01:11] sleger : quick
[2017-03-07 02:01:18] sleger : 2 guys were banned for nothing
[2017-03-07 02:01:21] Apocalyptic : and not in his interest to ban _you_
[2017-03-07 02:01:59] Apocalyptic : out of curiosity could you tell me the spread IB is quoting for CHFCNH ?
[2017-03-07 02:02:01] sleger : how far can it go ?
[2017-03-07 02:02:15] sleger : swiss / cnh ?
[2017-03-07 02:02:20] Apocalyptic : yes
[2017-03-07 02:02:27] sleger : im guessing you should do 2 trades
[2017-03-07 02:02:32] Apocalyptic : (I know that's very exotic)
[2017-03-07 02:02:36] sleger : let me check
[2017-03-07 02:04:56] sleger : Apocalyptic: couldnt get a quote
[2017-03-07 02:05:07] sleger : so googled and found that : https://ibkb.interactivebrokers.com/node/64
[2017-03-07 02:06:01] Apocalyptic : I see, ty
[2017-03-07 02:07:52] Apocalyptic : https://coin.dance/blocks <- nice site to track BU/Segwit signaling battle
[2017-03-07 02:12:05] rapidtrades : this is like Brexit, market run up sky high pricing in remain then we crashed on actual result
[2017-03-07 02:12:08] sleger : Temporarily Grounded The Gemini Exchange is currently undergoing maintenance. Please check back later.
[2017-03-07 02:12:09] sleger : NEWS
[2017-03-07 02:12:13] sleger : NEWS
[2017-03-07 02:12:15] sleger : NEWS
[2017-03-07 02:12:18] Apocalyptic : wow
[2017-03-07 02:12:42] micmix : sell everything!
[2017-03-07 02:12:42] rapidtrades : why would they do maintence for news dummy
[2017-03-07 02:12:50] sleger : calling Tyler W now
[2017-03-07 02:13:21] lockhedge : sleger: are you trading on Gemini?
[2017-03-07 02:13:33] sleger : rapidtrades: they're buying the orderbook until 2k dummy
[2017-03-07 02:13:55] rapidtrades : sounds legit
[2017-03-07 02:14:25] sleger : lockhedge: no
[2017-03-07 02:15:11] micmix : yeah, my bot is getting errors from Gemini both public and private API
[2017-03-07 02:15:38] lockhedge : are you trading there? i was thinking about opening an institutional account (can't register a personal account from my country)
[2017-03-07 02:15:47] sleger : guys you heard it here first thanks to <==
[2017-03-07 02:15:52] rapidtrades : if they're announcing it, must be withdrawal
[2017-03-07 02:16:07] Apocalyptic : micmix: is this frequent for Gemini ?
[2017-03-07 02:16:24] sleger : no
[2017-03-07 02:16:56] micmix : lockhedge: afaik if one of the owners with 10% or more is a resident of non-supported country, your institutional account will not be approved
[2017-03-07 02:17:14] micmix : Apocalyptic: last maintaince was long time ago
[2017-03-07 02:17:54] micmix : lockhedge: but you better ask, maybe something changed
[2017-03-07 02:18:13] sleger : T not picking up
[2017-03-07 02:18:50] rangle : too much troll, not enough box
[2017-03-07 02:19:08] lockhedge : micmix: yeah, will ask. thanks
[2017-03-07 02:19:08] sleger : rangle: try the chinese one, newb dummy
[2017-03-07 02:19:16] micmix : rangle: Gemini down is not fake news
[2017-03-07 02:19:37] sleger : and first report was here <==
[2017-03-07 02:19:38] rapidtrades : ITS FAKE NEWS
[2017-03-07 02:19:58] rangle : and i thank you for that info, but calling tyler? lol
[2017-03-07 02:20:08] micmix : my guess they are upgrading servers for tomorrow's approval
[2017-03-07 02:20:10] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: but the downtime is REAL
[2017-03-07 02:20:23] rapidtrades : micmix: lol
[2017-03-07 02:20:33] sleger : micmix: they are preparing for news approval yes
[2017-03-07 02:20:46] rapidtrades : god u ppl are stupid
[2017-03-07 02:21:43] lockhedge : no scheduled maintenance (nothing on twitter), maybe a ddos
[2017-03-07 02:22:29] sleger : i think its approved they cant be guilty of insider trading so they put the exchange down until approval is official
[2017-03-07 02:22:37] micmix : lockhedge: they got a call from SEC
[2017-03-07 02:23:00] micmix : it wasn't scheduled in advance
[2017-03-07 02:23:15] sleger : Tyler phone is completely off, not even ringing
[2017-03-07 02:23:26] rapidtrades : yes they got a call from SEC...insider trading is not a thing
[2017-03-07 02:23:39] rapidtrades : IQ here is reaching dangerous levels
[2017-03-07 02:24:29] micmix : maybe SEC told them to suspend trading immediately until further notice
[2017-03-07 02:24:52] rapidtrades : dude SEC isn't even working right now
[2017-03-07 02:25:23] rapidtrades : plus what would the point? its a decentralized market
[2017-03-07 02:25:26] sleger : they may have discussed over dinner and approved
[2017-03-07 02:25:47] rapidtrades : yes exactly, they discussed it over dinner
[2017-03-07 02:25:48] sleger : thanks Cameron that steak was delicious, let me approve your etf
[2017-03-07 02:25:51] rapidtrades : buy now 100/1
[2017-03-07 02:26:03] micmix : don't spoil the fun, let us troll some more @rapidtrades
[2017-03-07 02:26:33] micmix : Gemini is back
[2017-03-07 02:26:36] lockhedge : up again https://exchange.gemini.com/signin
[2017-03-07 02:26:37] rangle : SEC cant accept gifts like dinner
[2017-03-07 02:26:40] rapidtrades : lol
[2017-03-07 02:26:43] sleger : and price is 2000
[2017-03-07 02:27:24] rapidtrades : that's a shame, i was hoping this would be over today
[2017-03-07 02:28:57] sleger : rangle: yes they can
[2017-03-07 02:29:01] sleger : 100$ per person max
[2017-03-07 02:29:10] sleger : if the buyer is not there
[2017-03-07 02:29:19] sleger : if they are there there is no limit
[2017-03-07 02:29:35] sleger : it has to be "considered reasonable"
[2017-03-07 02:29:43] sleger : just like brokers inviting traders
[2017-03-07 02:29:53] sleger : 10k in a night club is considered not outside the norm
[2017-03-07 02:31:21] sleger : https://twitter.com/GeminiDotCom no news
[2017-03-07 02:31:37] sleger : very suspicious
[2017-03-07 02:31:41] Nutella : COIN doesn't accurately reflect cost for closing my trade
[2017-03-07 02:31:58] Nutella : says 1.34 btc but should be 0 cos im short
[2017-03-07 02:32:13] Nutella : @bitmex
[2017-03-07 02:32:15] hmmmYea : insider trading laws dont apply to bitcoin
[2017-03-07 02:32:38] rapidtrades : hmmmYea: pretty sure they apply to SEC officials, idiot
[2017-03-07 02:33:07] sleger : laws apply same to everyone
[2017-03-07 02:33:09] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: no they dont. 100% sure
[2017-03-07 02:33:14] sleger : they can be fired but its different
[2017-03-07 02:33:19] rapidtrades : ok u are sure @hmmmYea
[2017-03-07 02:33:30] sleger : laws and corporate laws isnt the same thing
[2017-03-07 02:33:40] sleger : *bylaws
[2017-03-07 02:33:41] rapidtrades : let's see how shure u will be <1k
[2017-03-07 02:33:51] sleger : *shure
[2017-03-07 02:33:56] sleger : welcome back jung1
[2017-03-07 02:34:01] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: insider trading dont apply to bitcoin or commodities or currencies
[2017-03-07 02:34:32] rapidtrades : are u stupid or just playing a moran on the internet?
[2017-03-07 02:34:40] sleger : *moran
[2017-03-07 02:34:55] rapidtrades : exactly, tnx for the spell check
[2017-03-07 02:34:58] jose : moron
[2017-03-07 02:35:13] rapidtrades : jose: no MORAN
[2017-03-07 02:35:27] Eleven : Morun
[2017-03-07 02:35:41] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: check google my friend
[2017-03-07 02:35:42] jose : rapidtrades: i was wondering if it was a filter by BitMEX
[2017-03-07 02:35:49] Eleven : you Idjiouts
[2017-03-07 02:36:00] Eleven : its muran
[2017-03-07 02:36:50] sleger : hmmmYea: http://www.ballardspahr.com/alertspublications/legalalerts/2016-01-13-the-cftc-turns-to-insider-trading-enforcement.aspx
[2017-03-07 02:37:07] vgck : Eleven: mouraan
[2017-03-07 02:37:23] rapidtrades : i think vcock has the right idea
[2017-03-07 02:37:27] JT : macaroon... oh wait that's a cookie
[2017-03-07 02:37:38] rapidtrades : got the pronunciation right
[2017-03-07 02:37:43] Eleven : ah shit you're correct rapidtrades
[2017-03-07 02:37:46] rapidtrades : vdick
[2017-03-07 02:37:52] sleger : The U.S. Commodities Futures Trading Commission (CFTC or Commission) recently brought, and settled on consent, its first-ever insider-trading case. ... This action portends a new enforcement priority for the CFTC and more commodities-related insider trading cases in the future. @hmmmYea
[2017-03-07 02:38:25] rapidtrades : i guess he was partially right, they didn't do it until recently
[2017-03-07 02:38:27] sleger : guess he wont reply like last time he said dumb shit prentending to be a know it all
[2017-03-07 02:38:46] rapidtrades : im guessing previously it was covered by other regs tho
[2017-03-07 02:39:27] hmmmYea : and why was it inside information?
[2017-03-07 02:39:36] hmmmYea : keep going...
[2017-03-07 02:39:51] sleger : "This action portends a new enforcement priority for the CFTC and more commodities-related insider trading cases in the future."
[2017-03-07 02:41:19] hmmmYea : keep going....
[2017-03-07 02:41:45] sleger : https://www.thehedgefundjournal.com/content/cftc-brings-and-settles-its-first-insider-trading-case
[2017-03-07 02:41:57] sleger : hmmmYea: The US Commodity Futures Trading Commission recently settled its first-ever insider-trading case, relying on new powers granted to it under the Dodd-Frank Act and embodied in CFTC Regulation § 180.1
[2017-03-07 02:42:31] hmmmYea : ersonal accounts and his employer's violated Commission Regulation 1.38(a), which requires commodity futures contracts to be executed ''openly and competitively'' and therefore bars non-competitive trades.
[2017-03-07 02:42:54] hmmmYea : that reg doesnt apply to bitcoin cash markets
[2017-03-07 02:43:41] sleger : wait we are talking about commodities markets
[2017-03-07 02:43:52] sleger : "mmmYea: rapidtrades: insider trading dont apply to bitcoin or commodities or currencies"
[2017-03-07 02:43:59] sleger : so I took commodities
[2017-03-07 02:44:04] sleger : and I proved you wrong
[2017-03-07 02:44:34] sleger : insider trading is not unlawful AFAIK in most countries for currency or bitoin
[2017-03-07 02:44:41] sleger : but YOU said commoditie
[2017-03-07 02:44:43] sleger : s
[2017-03-07 02:44:48] hmmmYea : sleger: ummmm....
[2017-03-07 02:45:39] sleger : now if the bitcoin etf is approved, insider trading on bitcoin might be considered illegal if it affects the etf price which will be a regulated security. But that is besides the point
[2017-03-07 02:45:55] sleger : hmmmm Yeah !!
[2017-03-07 02:46:53] rapidtrades : it would be an awful start of the ETF to engage in insider trading, even if legal
[2017-03-07 02:47:01] rapidtrades : ppl counting o that are delusional
[2017-03-07 02:47:30] sleger : dmm pre-buying bitcoins wouldnt be considered as such though (i think)
[2017-03-07 02:47:44] rapidtrades : of course it would
[2017-03-07 02:48:55] rapidtrades : not speaking in legal sense
[2017-03-07 02:49:16] rapidtrades : the twins already have conflict of interest with running the exchange price will be based off
[2017-03-07 02:50:44] rapidtrades : it would be highly unethical and everyone involved would be forced to leave their positions at minimum
[2017-03-07 02:52:13] rapidtrades : so that Gemini thing turned out to be another FAKE NEWS
[2017-03-07 02:54:40] rapidtrades : time for breakfast i guess
[2017-03-07 02:55:51] sleger : eggs benedict !
[2017-03-07 02:56:18] Nutella : COIN doesn't accurately reflect cost for closing my trade says 1.34 btc but should be 0 cos im short @bitmex
[2017-03-07 02:57:37] BitMEX_Sam : Nutella: Open orders use up the "free" closure margin first
[2017-03-07 02:58:24] Nutella : what does mean
[2017-03-07 02:58:59] Nutella : should be 0? same # contract
[2017-03-07 02:59:13] Nutella : on swap this is 0
[2017-03-07 03:00:25] lockhedge : sleger: "dmm pre-buying bitcoins wouldnt be considered as such though (i think)" it's possible, but isn't the initial size only 5000 btc?
[2017-03-07 03:01:09] Nutella : BitMEX_Sam: my march doesnt see 0 either for buying same # contract
[2017-03-07 03:04:37] Nutella : why is cost not 0?
[2017-03-07 03:05:33] Nutella : is my COIN holding messing up the calculations or what
[2017-03-07 03:07:33] BitMEX_John : Nutella: if you have other open orders it may effect how your cost to close other orders is calculated
[2017-03-07 03:07:56] Nutella : strange
[2017-03-07 03:08:29] Nutella : so I wont be able to close my COIN at once? cos it says 1.34 btc cost and my available margin is below that
[2017-03-07 03:08:38] BitMEX_Wally : Nutella: You have a short XBTH17 position and an equal number of buy orders which currently require 0 initial margin
[2017-03-07 03:09:00] Nutella : BitMEX_Wally: but it says cost 0.68 btc
[2017-03-07 03:09:23] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah, on the order entry panel to submit a new order
[2017-03-07 03:09:33] BitMEX_Wally : Cancel your existing buy order and then see what it says on the order submission panel
[2017-03-07 03:09:39] Nutella : ah
[2017-03-07 03:09:42] Nutella : right
[2017-03-07 03:10:01] Nutella : i stupid
[2017-03-07 03:18:19] hmmmYea : sleger: if the guy had just bought the commodity, and not a future on the commodity the law would not have applied. how r u so arrogant and so wrong at the same time?
[2017-03-07 03:23:50] elmorte : Has Trump repealed Dodd-Frank yet?
[2017-03-07 03:27:41] elmorte : 'Trump' off the censor list?
[2017-03-07 03:34:02] rapidtrades : YES it's a great day for our glorious leader, Donald Trump
[2017-03-07 03:36:52] rapidtrades : ok so if im on 25/1 leverage, then the cost shown is for reserving a 4% move?
[2017-03-07 03:37:12] flux : bitmex needs better charts...
[2017-03-07 03:37:17] flux : seriously can we start a fund?
[2017-03-07 03:37:23] rapidtrades : so I have a safe buffer or around 40-50$?
[2017-03-07 03:37:31] rapidtrades : flux: f*Ck chart
[2017-03-07 03:37:42] rapidtrades : want charts, go to trading view
[2017-03-07 03:37:46] rapidtrades : you are part of the problem
[2017-03-07 03:37:52] flux : tv sucks that what mex uses
[2017-03-07 03:37:55] BitMEX_John : rapidtrades: you can use the 'Liquidation Price' tab of the calculator tool to model this
[2017-03-07 03:37:59] flux : thats why they suck
[2017-03-07 03:38:16] flux : rapidtrades: do the charts work well for you?
[2017-03-07 03:38:34] rapidtrades : BitMEX_John: its complicated cos im already short and want to see my cost for longing a bigger size
[2017-03-07 03:39:24] j8 : you have to take off 0.5% maintenance margin so it's more like a 3.5% move
[2017-03-07 03:39:32] rapidtrades : yes thnaks
[2017-03-07 03:39:51] rapidtrades : that maintenece margin is way too low for whats about to happen
[2017-03-07 03:39:52] BitMEX_John : rapidtrades: try adding the amount of contracts you are short to your quantity
[2017-03-07 03:40:11] rapidtrades : i think i got a rough idea, tnx john
[2017-03-07 03:40:27] BitMEX_John : rapidtrades: as in if you are short 1000 contracts and want to see your liquidation price if long 1000 then try the calc with 2000 as your quantity
[2017-03-07 03:42:18] rapidtrades : follow up q, as i already have short march, shorting more contracts at 25x would reserve a new amount of fill up the previously reserved margin thereby bringing down by liq price?
[2017-03-07 03:42:34] rapidtrades : or fill up not of*
[2017-03-07 03:42:57] startChat : rapidtrades: best to try with testnet first. if your and idiot
[2017-03-07 03:43:17] rapidtrades : oh the irony
[2017-03-07 03:43:22] rapidtrades : im already making steel
[2017-03-07 03:44:34] BitMEX_John : rapidtrades: if you add margin on a short position your liquidation price will rise, but if you also increase the size of the position that will cancel out
[2017-03-07 03:44:37] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Liquidation price is based on average entry price, so with 25x your new liquidation price would be 3.5% above your new average entry price
[2017-03-07 03:44:45] startChat : rapidtrades: :)
[2017-03-07 03:49:03] elmorte : rapidtrades: what's about to happen?
[2017-03-07 03:50:26] Hawkeye : elmorte: he's checking what he can do to get rdy for the dooming moon or mooning doom....
[2017-03-07 03:51:05] elmorte : get popcorn?
[2017-03-07 03:51:17] Hawkeye : lol that is one way to get rdy :)
[2017-03-07 03:52:12] elmorte : > dooming moon or mooning doom Nice :)
[2017-03-07 03:52:36] Hawkeye : for the shorters :)
[2017-03-07 03:52:45] elmorte : yup
[2017-03-07 03:56:08] rapidtrades : guys don't be dicks
[2017-03-07 03:56:13] rapidtrades : noone likes dicks
[2017-03-07 03:56:49] rapidtrades : well except women
[2017-03-07 03:57:12] Hawkeye : well....
[2017-03-07 03:57:16] rapidtrades : and tehy gays
[2017-03-07 03:57:19] Hawkeye : :)
[2017-03-07 03:57:24] Hawkeye : and bi
[2017-03-07 03:57:32] Hawkeye : see more then you think
[2017-03-07 03:57:43] Rado : I like cock soup
[2017-03-07 03:57:47] Hawkeye : same with btc... more then you think ;)
[2017-03-07 03:58:07] elmorte : Rado: haha...censor strikes
[2017-03-07 03:58:13] Rado : lol
[2017-03-07 03:58:33] rapidtrades : Rado: i bet u do like cock soou
[2017-03-07 03:59:01] flux : rapidtrades: what charts do you use for bitmex?
[2017-03-07 03:59:26] rapidtrades : i use trading view
[2017-03-07 03:59:28] elmorte : flux: makes his own in Excel
[2017-03-07 03:59:39] Rado : rapidtrades: do you have a wife or a girlfriend?
[2017-03-07 03:59:46] rapidtrades : dont follow bitmex price much cos not short term
[2017-03-07 03:59:51] elmorte : Rado: he has a cat
[2017-03-07 03:59:59] flux : oh ok thats why hes a cocky asshole
[2017-03-07 04:00:00] elmorte : Any more questions about rapid? I've got a minute
[2017-03-07 04:00:15] flux : cock-y
[2017-03-07 04:00:27] flux : wow lame filters
[2017-03-07 04:00:36] elmorte : cockadoodle doo
[2017-03-07 04:01:03] elmorte : /price
[2017-03-07 04:01:06] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1278.28 (-0.05%) Bitfinex : 1278.60 (-0.05%) The Woodchipper : 1277.86 (-0.14%) itBit : 1281.29 (-0.05%) Kraken : 1269.79 (-0.37%) GDAX : 1286.42 (0.28%) SLQ : 3 hours, 16 mins```
[2017-03-07 04:01:07] javierstone : interesting that gemini + gdax volume = finex now
[2017-03-07 04:10:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 7000 @ 1300.43
[2017-03-07 04:10:21] rapidtrades : OMG ETF INSIDERS SELLING?
[2017-03-07 04:10:26] rapidtrades : OMG
[2017-03-07 04:11:25] ubba : etf approved
[2017-03-07 04:11:34] -_- : another dip
[2017-03-07 04:11:35] Hawkeye : pretty sure if the news hits the volumes and speed will be much much more :)
[2017-03-07 04:12:24] rapidtrades : NOT IF THIS IS INSIDERS SELLING
[2017-03-07 04:12:28] rapidtrades : OH MY GOD
[2017-03-07 04:12:31] Hawkeye : most likely sideways for a week (hopefiully in a big enough band to trade)
[2017-03-07 04:12:55] Hawkeye : 1250 - 1350 or so would be nice :)
[2017-03-07 04:14:23] -_- : BBANDS getting tight
[2017-03-07 04:14:32] -_- : not sure if this move down is gonna be a fake out
[2017-03-07 04:15:10] cryptonoob : Pboc coming for yo ass
[2017-03-07 04:16:11] Hawkeye : bitcoin banned china again? ;)
[2017-03-07 04:16:58] KingTuna : Buy on rumour sell on good news
[2017-03-07 04:17:09] KingTuna : Buy on rumour, sell BIG on bad news
[2017-03-07 04:17:41] -_- : march premium shrinking
[2017-03-07 04:19:53] KingTuna : Great time to short
[2017-03-07 04:21:10] degen : lol
[2017-03-07 04:21:21] degen : time to short was an hour ago
[2017-03-07 04:21:26] degen : probably bottom
[2017-03-07 04:21:48] -_- : that's where you're wrong
[2017-03-07 04:22:12] -_- : bbands have not been broken wide open. move hasnt happened yet. price dropped $5 on most exchanges
[2017-03-07 04:23:30] kurkudu : another dip to buy
[2017-03-07 04:25:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 19 @ 1306.54
[2017-03-07 04:33:19] KingTuna : I'm not talking about hourly shorts, I'm talking about over the next week shorts - It has topped and this is where the whales have taken us and will die at least a little bit before or on ETF news
[2017-03-07 04:34:14] kurkudu : short with max leverage only @KingTuna
[2017-03-07 04:37:22] -_- : Okc spot dumping
[2017-03-07 04:38:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 9500 @ 1273.79
[2017-03-07 04:39:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 4370 @ 1273.44
[2017-03-07 04:40:54] rapidtrades : ETF DENIED?
[2017-03-07 04:41:00] KingTuna : degen: Ah really now?
[2017-03-07 04:41:43] kurkudu : some of my buy orders got filled