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BitMEX disabled their archive after the DDOS attack so I have decided to make my mirror publicly available.

Well now, a few days after I made this mirror available to the public, the original archive from BitMEX is online again.
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[2017-03-06 15:56:15] sleger : insignificantly
[2017-03-06 15:56:30] sleger : because i dont gamble
[2017-03-06 15:57:02] rapidtrades : u gambled shorting ZEC
[2017-03-06 15:58:14] sleger : was it pending a SEC decision ?
[2017-03-06 15:58:19] sleger : no
[2017-03-06 15:59:13] rapidtrades : must be nice to live in bulltard nation
[2017-03-06 15:59:22] rapidtrades : approval moon, rejection buy 'cheap' coinz
[2017-03-06 15:59:47] amaru : klee: does this mean anything to you
[2017-03-06 16:00:11] sleger : rapidtrades: it's only nice if you're not short
[2017-03-06 16:00:22] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: do i wait for deposit or what
[2017-03-06 16:00:33] rapidtrades : will it go through eventually?
[2017-03-06 16:00:42] BitMEX_Sam : Eventually yes
[2017-03-06 16:01:09] rapidtrades : estimate said up to 5 hrs...now its 8+
[2017-03-06 16:01:34] Hawkeye : best cold wallet is to send it to a wallet without fees ;) will be safe for days /weeks if you are lucky ;)
[2017-03-06 16:01:59] Hawkeye : my best cold wallt is still MtGox ..... like a fortress!
[2017-03-06 16:02:15] rapidtrades : Sad!
[2017-03-06 16:02:37] Hawkeye : bigly sad yes
[2017-03-06 16:02:47] -_- : price inching down again
[2017-03-06 16:03:01] Hawkeye : good ... good <rubs hands> this time i got my order in !
[2017-03-06 16:03:23] zanza : losing money on SNAP
[2017-03-06 16:03:26] Hawkeye : prob the dip that will go straight through my buy and to the liq price ;) with my luck
[2017-03-06 16:03:41] Hawkeye : zanza you bought snap ???
[2017-03-06 16:04:06] zanza : i went all in on SNAP
[2017-03-06 16:04:09] zanza : j/k
[2017-03-06 16:04:09] Hawkeye : ugh
[2017-03-06 16:04:14] zanza : i didn't
[2017-03-06 16:04:15] Hawkeye : ah ok ... phew :)
[2017-03-06 16:04:18] zanza : :)
[2017-03-06 16:04:25] zanza : 40 Billion
[2017-03-06 16:04:35] zanza : for damn camera ap
[2017-03-06 16:04:52] sleger : facebook is just a website
[2017-03-06 16:04:57] Hawkeye : oh lets make snapcoin that you will need to use snapchat... goldmine ! ;)
[2017-03-06 16:05:02] zanza : how much SNAP did you buy sleger?
[2017-03-06 16:05:13] sleger : none, I have a sell order around 29.9
[2017-03-06 16:05:18] zanza : nice
[2017-03-06 16:06:16] xbtman : If I want to do basis trading, how do I get the quarterly futures basis/theta
[2017-03-06 16:07:15] sleger : xbtman: I thought you were the xbt man
[2017-03-06 16:09:45] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: eventually when? fee was 82.152 sat/B
[2017-03-06 16:09:53] elmorte : No, he's xbt, man.
[2017-03-06 16:10:17] Hawkeye : rapidtrades: he cant answer that its the miners that decide when to process it
[2017-03-06 16:10:59] sleger : in a few days, after etf acceptance / liquidation most likely
[2017-03-06 16:11:21] Hawkeye : if unlucky it can be weeks
[2017-03-06 16:11:27] Hawkeye : months !
[2017-03-06 16:11:30] Hawkeye : ;)
[2017-03-06 16:11:33] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: I am not the blockchain oracle
[2017-03-06 16:12:00] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: ETF oracle, will the ETF be approved ?
[2017-03-06 16:12:02] Hawkeye : BitMEX_Sam: get an abacus and mine it for him ;)
[2017-03-06 16:17:48] yungyang : rapidtrades: you are entirely daft
[2017-03-06 16:18:01] yungyang : even the mods rag on you
[2017-03-06 16:18:27] yungyang : Wait ~10 minutes, send it through an accelerator in a new block
[2017-03-06 16:18:33] yungyang : clown
[2017-03-06 16:29:26] odieoh : BitMEX_Sam: a question that you can answer. If I (or someone else) tries to make a withdrawal will I always be sent a an email asking me to confirm? I don't see a setting for this in the account options
[2017-03-06 16:35:01] sleger : yes
[2017-03-06 16:39:29] BitMEX_Greg : odieoh: Following on from sleger's answer, yes this is always the case.
[2017-03-06 16:44:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 80 @ 0.015860
[2017-03-06 16:46:48] amaru : is this it? hehe jk
[2017-03-06 16:47:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 32000 @ 1309.35
[2017-03-06 16:47:17] Apocalyptic : okc spot is at it again
[2017-03-06 16:47:29] cryptoyolo : buy
[2017-03-06 16:47:30] cryptoyolo : the
[2017-03-06 16:47:30] cryptoyolo : dip
[2017-03-06 16:48:04] Hawkeye : etf? ;) etf? :)
[2017-03-06 16:48:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 12394 @ 1274.09
[2017-03-06 16:48:13] Hawkeye : darn lag
[2017-03-06 16:48:33] Apocalyptic : cryptoyolo: there is such a thing as too much dips
[2017-03-06 16:48:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1 @ 1273.74 :punch: :whale:
[2017-03-06 16:48:58] -_- : etf dump
[2017-03-06 16:49:03] carl : lol look at that stairway to hell on the chipper
[2017-03-06 16:50:32] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5xu49s/sec_looking_for_public_comment_regarding_wink_etf/
[2017-03-06 16:50:34] rapidtrades : LOL
[2017-03-06 16:51:50] carl : so?
[2017-03-06 16:51:55] Apocalyptic : Andreas the saviour, we can dothis!
[2017-03-06 16:52:18] carl : they're asking for the public to submit comments...like every government org
[2017-03-06 16:52:34] rapidtrades : doesn't that start a new 90d period?
[2017-03-06 16:52:46] aguia7 : /sentiment
[2017-03-06 16:52:50] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 88.64 / 11.36 Daily : 43.38 / 56.62 Weekly : 53.04 / 46.96 Monthly : 49.65 / 50.35```
[2017-03-06 16:52:52] rapidtrades : surely they're not asking for comments in the next 3 days
[2017-03-06 16:53:23] carl : no
[2017-03-06 16:53:25] carl : that date is from the 22nd
[2017-03-06 16:53:34] carl : theyve just posted it now
[2017-03-06 16:53:38] Apocalyptic : so why was it posted just now ?
[2017-03-06 16:53:41] cryptokeeper : carl: it does... was doing that a bit last night too
[2017-03-06 16:53:45] mtourig3 : https://trends.google.ca/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&q=buy%20bitcoin
[2017-03-06 16:53:50] cryptokeeper : something to pay attention on anyways
[2017-03-06 16:53:51] mtourig3 : @100 right now
[2017-03-06 16:53:56] mtourig3 : going up
[2017-03-06 16:54:22] Hawkeye : china looks droopy
[2017-03-06 16:54:25] carl : Apocalyptic: beats me. upvotes?
[2017-03-06 16:54:30] y1uy : not looking good for longs
[2017-03-06 16:55:05] Apocalyptic : maybe, but then it's of no interest
[2017-03-06 16:55:07] -_- : y1uy: there are a lot of them too
[2017-03-06 16:56:14] sleger : lots of eth buys today
[2017-03-06 16:56:23] y1uy : -_-: what site u use to watch longs/shorts? bfxdata doesnt load for me.
[2017-03-06 16:57:15] -_- : https://www.bfxdata.com/positions/btcusd
[2017-03-06 16:57:33] y1uy : -_-: cheers
[2017-03-06 16:57:38] rapidtrades : whats the point of that? 95% of the time majority are longs since forever
[2017-03-06 16:57:44] rapidtrades : that's the most useless stat
[2017-03-06 16:58:10] -_- : plus a lot of open contracts on bitmex = lots of n00bs long just waiting to get rekt
[2017-03-06 17:00:07] sleger : these tiny amendments to the ETF proposal are very good news
[2017-03-06 17:00:23] sleger : it's just results of discussions between sec and participants to amend details before go live
[2017-03-06 17:02:28] cryptokeeper : its not very good news
[2017-03-06 17:02:30] cryptokeeper : its part of the process
[2017-03-06 17:02:40] cryptokeeper : this is still a 50/50 right now
[2017-03-06 17:02:48] rapidtrades : yeah whatever, if u believed that u would buy
[2017-03-06 17:02:57] rapidtrades : ur just talking without consequences
[2017-03-06 17:03:07] cryptokeeper : it is like a RFP/RFQ process when something goes to tender
[2017-03-06 17:04:22] rapidtrades : its not rly 50/50
[2017-03-06 17:04:44] j8 : i think the price would be higher if the market was that optimistic
[2017-03-06 17:04:56] klee : https://twitter.com/cenaclecapital/status/838795206011015168
[2017-03-06 17:04:59] rapidtrades : SEC didn't delay this for 3+ years just to sqeeze it in how with 2/5 commissionaires
[2017-03-06 17:05:39] sleger : j8: I think there is a mispricing now
[2017-03-06 17:05:56] sleger : I would bet short COIN at 50 and long btc spot (1275) for same number of $
[2017-03-06 17:05:59] sleger : is a winning bet
[2017-03-06 17:06:18] j8 : i think so too
[2017-03-06 17:06:47] sleger : anyone willing to buy a few btc worth of coin at 50 ?
[2017-03-06 17:06:49] rapidtrades : how is it a winning bet if approved?
[2017-03-06 17:07:02] sleger : dont worry about it
[2017-03-06 17:07:05] sleger : stay short
[2017-03-06 17:07:10] rapidtrades : ok
[2017-03-06 17:08:02] Hawkeye : i love shorters... they are guaranteed future buyers :)
[2017-03-06 17:09:12] -_- : I'm setting up a short. Looking like a top here
[2017-03-06 17:09:57] y1uy : u guys are a bit late to the party
[2017-03-06 17:09:58] y1uy : :D
[2017-03-06 17:09:59] mtourig3 : -_-: good luck
[2017-03-06 17:12:29] whali : /sentiment
[2017-03-06 17:12:32] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 88.70 / 11.30 Daily : 45.69 / 54.31 Weekly : 53.05 / 46.95 Monthly : 49.75 / 50.25```
[2017-03-06 17:13:50] -_- : It's easier to get out of a short if etf approved
[2017-03-06 17:14:00] Felix : Is it time to buy?
[2017-03-06 17:14:21] -_- : Yes it is.
[2017-03-06 17:17:50] sleger : "-_-: I'm setting up a short. Looking like a top here" <= 5 min ago
[2017-03-06 17:18:06] sleger : dummy
[2017-03-06 17:18:21] ross : sleger: Anything said in the troll box you do the opposite
[2017-03-06 17:18:50] rapidtrades : wtf is going on with the SEC website
[2017-03-06 17:18:52] sleger : i think i made up that strategy a long time before you appeared
[2017-03-06 17:19:17] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: you DDOSed it
[2017-03-06 17:19:27] rapidtrades : https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-batsbzx-2016-30/batsbzx201630.shtml
[2017-03-06 17:19:34] rapidtrades : updated ^
[2017-03-06 17:20:20] Felix : Great - now go long
[2017-03-06 17:20:37] sleger : "Please approve the rule change to allow for trade of Bitcoin shares. Thank you Josh Barraza"
[2017-03-06 17:20:39] sleger : awesome
[2017-03-06 17:20:44] sleger : some dummy commented, thanks rapid
[2017-03-06 17:21:37] Actualiteit : damn josh, thats some solid argumentation
[2017-03-06 17:22:18] Apocalyptic : seriously who are these people
[2017-03-06 17:22:23] y1uy : gotta shake out some longs first
[2017-03-06 17:22:24] sleger : dummies
[2017-03-06 17:22:26] rapidtrades : this has withdrawal written all over it
[2017-03-06 17:22:35] rapidtrades : why solicit comments now with 3 days to go
[2017-03-06 17:23:10] sleger : thats just the procedure
[2017-03-06 17:23:36] sleger : someone should comment that an ETF will make it much safer for mom and pops than buying it on unregulated exchanges that get hacked all the time
[2017-03-06 17:24:28] Felix : Buying again here
[2017-03-06 17:25:52] hmmmYea : rapidtrades: thats not how it works.... SEC comment solicitation is governed by SEC rules on comment solicitation
[2017-03-06 17:26:17] hmmmYea : is not like they just want a last second hot take from joshua barraza to help them decide
[2017-03-06 17:26:33] Actualiteit : implying josh's comment won't get us the approval
[2017-03-06 17:27:19] Felix : Approval already given - it is a given. Wall street wants it - The Chineses wants it - Morgan Stanley wants it.
[2017-03-06 17:27:27] Felix : ...
[2017-03-06 17:27:32] Felix : :(
[2017-03-06 17:27:43] Actualiteit : Josh Barraza wants it.
[2017-03-06 17:27:53] Apocalyptic : "I red some others","the extend that","people living in countries which have been denying this right", great literacy in the second comment too
[2017-03-06 17:28:24] Apocalyptic : although he clearly tried
[2017-03-06 17:28:56] hmmmYea : andrea dalla val captures the zeitgeist of this moment in a way that other SEC commenters simply cant
[2017-03-06 17:29:04] hmmmYea : https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-batsbzx-2016-30/batsbzx201630-136006.htm
[2017-03-06 17:29:21] Actualiteit : yeah I res her comment, solid.
[2017-03-06 17:29:25] Actualiteit : red*
[2017-03-06 17:29:26] hmmmYea : "Your ruling on the matter will be paramount and spearheading a new era for financial markets."
[2017-03-06 17:30:15] hmmmYea : prolly plagiarized that line from r/bitcoin
[2017-03-06 17:30:16] sleger : for those who think it will be approved, how do you think we'll learn about it ? Deadline passes and no reject ?
[2017-03-06 17:30:24] rapidtrades : https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-batsbzx-2016-30/batsbzx201630-29.txt
[2017-03-06 17:30:28] JT : i'm gonna make a comment that says "please approve this ETF so that my long position on BitMEX will benefit"
[2017-03-06 17:30:46] Apocalyptic : JT: you may as well
[2017-03-06 17:31:16] Actualiteit : "helo sec peopl ples approv the desicsiion I need more 420 money."
[2017-03-06 17:31:20] JT : ^^^^^
[2017-03-06 17:31:26] hmmmYea : sleger: winklevii may announce it before a filing hits sec.gov
[2017-03-06 17:31:29] ross : JT: we all should write - "so that rapidtrades gets liquidated"
[2017-03-06 17:31:38] Actualiteit : kek
[2017-03-06 17:31:44] sleger : ross: lol
[2017-03-06 17:31:49] JT : ross: oh that too. that would be delicious
[2017-03-06 17:31:53] Felix : Like I said - the Chinese wants this - clearly written by someone not fluent in the English language. (Probably a Chinese comrade). They need to get rid of their T-Bills - what to buy - what to buy - ...hmmm why not create a world currency - so plot-typical. ... love-it
[2017-03-06 17:32:11] hmmmYea : dear SEC please ADL me vs rapids liq at $1650
[2017-03-06 17:33:09] Apocalyptic : spreading the rapidhate
[2017-03-06 17:33:56] ross : We shouldn't say nasty things, he will add 500k to the book and we will get sideways for an hour
[2017-03-06 17:35:20] rapidtrades : Accordingly, the Commission, pursuant to Section 19(b)(2) of the Act, 11 designates M arch 11 , 2017 as the date by whi ch the Commission should either approve or disapprove the proposed rule change
[2017-03-06 17:35:53] rapidtrades : so we'll know by friday
[2017-03-06 17:37:35] sleger : where did you see that ?
[2017-03-06 17:37:54] sleger : reddit or Mickey magazine ?
[2017-03-06 17:39:02] rapidtrades : don't worry about it
[2017-03-06 17:41:26] sleger : i thought we wouldnt even get close to the deadline ?
[2017-03-06 17:41:34] OaktreeCapital : Sup pussies
[2017-03-06 17:42:20] Nur : for dash what happens on settlement day?
[2017-03-06 17:42:36] Nur : position liquidated?
[2017-03-06 17:42:41] OaktreeCapital : You get assbanged
[2017-03-06 17:44:36] sleger : BAN
[2017-03-06 17:44:53] rapidtrades : the last decision wasn't posted here https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-batsbzx-2016-30/
[2017-03-06 17:44:56] rapidtrades : where was it posted
[2017-03-06 17:45:15] rapidtrades : jan6 2017
[2017-03-06 17:47:17] sleger : don't worry about it
[2017-03-06 17:49:11] BitMEX_Greg : Nur: Your position gets settled according to the Settlement Price
[2017-03-06 17:49:25] rapidtrades : any bot makers here?
[2017-03-06 17:49:58] ross : rapidtrades: never made one but im sure i could
[2017-03-06 17:50:44] rapidtrades : can u crawl this page and report if there are updates https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/batsbzx/2017/?C=M;O=D
[2017-03-06 17:50:58] rapidtrades : make a bot that posts update here
[2017-03-06 17:51:14] j8 : i hope it'slots of people are doing that, why would they post it here?
[2017-03-06 17:51:25] ross : that would not be hard
[2017-03-06 17:51:30] j8 : ignore that first bit
[2017-03-06 17:51:30] ross : 1btc and ill do it
[2017-03-06 17:52:24] rapidtrades : ok sure, right after i get my stuck deposits
[2017-03-06 17:52:39] sleger : when the price jumps up 50$ you'll know it was approved
[2017-03-06 17:52:41] ross : alright
[2017-03-06 17:53:39] rapidtrades : dude im not paying u 1 btc for a web crawler...wtf
[2017-03-06 17:54:13] ross : 1btc and ill stay awake 24/7 and crawl it for u
[2017-03-06 17:54:23] mtourig3 : ross: lol
[2017-03-06 17:54:44] sleger : /sec
[2017-03-06 17:54:52] sleger : ask farzad
[2017-03-06 17:54:57] ross : http://www.wikihow.com/Develop-an-IRC-Bot
[2017-03-06 17:54:57] sleger : he likes to spam for free
[2017-03-06 17:55:02] ross : knock yourselves out
[2017-03-06 17:55:05] Felix : OaktreeCapital: I am buying again
[2017-03-06 17:57:01] Actualiteit : Felix: good, buy near the top of a range
[2017-03-06 17:57:08] Actualiteit : make sure to short when were baack at 70 again
[2017-03-06 17:58:12] ross : just remember the more you buy the more profit youll be in ;)
[2017-03-06 17:58:58] Felix : I thought the range was 1043-1400
[2017-03-06 17:59:52] Felix : Sorry. the range is 1034 - 1800
[2017-03-06 18:00:04] Actualiteit : Felix: bruh just ignore anything thats aimed at your trading in the trollbox, Im just fucking around
[2017-03-06 18:00:12] Felix : Know - the range is 1034 - 10000
[2017-03-06 18:00:37] Felix : (:
[2017-03-06 18:01:14] laisee : 880 to 8800 is better choice based on deep learning of trollbox comments
[2017-03-06 18:01:29] Felix : lol
[2017-03-06 18:02:11] Actualiteit : laisee: we need more 8's though. 88 to 88888 is more realistic.
[2017-03-06 18:02:19] Felix : I am drinking wine - anyone want to join
[2017-03-06 18:02:52] laisee : Actualiteit: yes, but some ppl are superstitious ...
[2017-03-06 18:03:00] Felix : Shorted gold - bought USD/Jpy deep in the money today
[2017-03-06 18:03:13] Felix : Bitcoin is a pet play
[2017-03-06 18:03:44] laisee : my bot feeds comments to a squid named nostradamus,. He turns red when market is changing.
[2017-03-06 18:04:03] Felix : cute
[2017-03-06 18:05:16] laisee : good prediction rate and low pay. works well.
[2017-03-06 18:05:39] Felix : funny
[2017-03-06 18:07:03] zy : I thought we were going for 1300 today?
[2017-03-06 18:07:17] laisee : nastradamaus says no
[2017-03-06 18:08:01] Felix : Did nossie drink some wine...? before making prediction?
[2017-03-06 18:08:26] Felix : Nossie is probably right
[2017-03-06 18:09:46] laisee : he makes predictions 2X - once drunk & one sober. like the persians used to.
[2017-03-06 18:10:10] ripcord : We'll hit 1300 in the next 24 hours. I know because I'm drinking whisky.
[2017-03-06 18:10:40] Felix : Can you clone him?
[2017-03-06 18:10:43] laisee : ur 1/2 way to using a scientific method @ripcord
[2017-03-06 18:10:46] Felix : I want one!
[2017-03-06 18:11:03] JT : 1300 in 6 hours - came to me in a vision while taking a dump
[2017-03-06 18:11:46] laisee : which coin?
[2017-03-06 18:12:06] JT : btc
[2017-03-06 18:12:14] JT : my bowel movements never have steered me wrong
[2017-03-06 18:13:51] Felix : OMG - hurry burry sell sell sell sell!!!
[2017-03-06 18:13:55] laisee : on target?
[2017-03-06 18:13:59] Felix : jip
[2017-03-06 18:14:22] Felix : Give me some more
[2017-03-06 18:14:44] y1uy : damn clef is shutting down
[2017-03-06 18:15:01] Felix : Come now - don't be shy
[2017-03-06 18:15:13] Abelima : Give me some btc
[2017-03-06 18:15:18] mtourig3 : once this reaches 100 we go parabolic for DAYS
[2017-03-06 18:15:18] mtourig3 : https://trends.google.ca/trends/explore?date=all&q=buy%20bitcoin
[2017-03-06 18:15:40] thegypsy : /wall
[2017-03-06 18:16:52] Felix : mtourig3: That's inspiring!
[2017-03-06 18:17:56] Felix : JT: I want a dump like that at 10 minutes before funding. Can you give us one?
[2017-03-06 18:18:31] JT : Felix: I'll try - no promises
[2017-03-06 18:18:45] Felix : :)
[2017-03-06 18:18:45] wurstgelee : https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/COIN:US
[2017-03-06 18:18:51] wurstgelee : a little bit early maybe
[2017-03-06 18:18:53] wurstgelee : oO
[2017-03-06 18:23:13] Felix : A jokes aside - my really worry is that as soon as we have this listing they will use the futures exchanges (i.e. BitMex etc.) to drive down the markets, to buy spot at low rates. Do not be surprised with a overnight 200 point drop and rise in one day. My true problem with this market is that it wants to be a currency but does not trade any currency fundamentals - the animal is truly just demand and supply still - vicious.
[2017-03-06 18:23:26] cryptokeeper : wurstgelee: totally... that has been there for a week+ now
[2017-03-06 18:23:42] cryptokeeper : schwarma time!
[2017-03-06 18:23:45] wurstgelee : cryptokeeper: google cache for yday shows 4on4?
[2017-03-06 18:23:49] wurstgelee : 404 ofc
[2017-03-06 18:23:52] wurstgelee : oO
[2017-03-06 18:24:06] cryptokeeper : wurstgelee: nope... it was there last week... i know because i manually went to the link
[2017-03-06 18:24:10] odieoh : @felix how would one use the futures exchanges to drive down the market?
[2017-03-06 18:24:22] wurstgelee : cryptokeeper: kk. doesnt mean much anyways, kinda funny
[2017-03-06 18:24:23] wurstgelee : ;)
[2017-03-06 18:24:26] cryptokeeper : yea
[2017-03-06 18:24:29] cryptokeeper : means nothing really
[2017-03-06 18:24:36] Ahhere : So I guess there'll be fake pumps and dumps all week everyone on edge waiting for the real insider trade move
[2017-03-06 18:24:43] cryptokeeper : just bloomberg doing their thing.... does anyone have access to bloomberg terminal?
[2017-03-06 18:26:58] Felix : odieoh: We do it regularly in the commodities markets. Futures markets are leveraged and less liquid - creates anxiety in spot market as well as pressure on open interest. Cornering the Bitcoin market will be precious - what you need to do is have the biggest hand by far with a lot of small hands - that's it - and that is exactly what we will have in a few day;s time.
[2017-03-06 18:30:38] odieoh : @felix I don't you can really work it the same way with bitmex futures can you? The mark price is the difference- the value of the contracts here is literally pegged to spot price at least partially, so you can't artificially drive it down without just making trades at a loss
[2017-03-06 18:30:55] men : some people says that SEC decision will be out today or tomorrow.. have u listen to these rumors too?
[2017-03-06 18:31:10] mtourig3 : men: who you hear that from?
[2017-03-06 18:31:59] Felix : "sources say".. hmm - tell us who it is
[2017-03-06 18:32:04] men : some important people on the polo trollbox
[2017-03-06 18:32:27] JT : oh so some important trolls then
[2017-03-06 18:32:32] men : lol
[2017-03-06 18:32:33] men : not
[2017-03-06 18:32:51] men : not a troll....
[2017-03-06 18:32:52] Felix : odieoh: no you can - this market just does not have a real market maker yet.... soon to come.
[2017-03-06 18:33:36] Felix : men: funny... funny! lol
[2017-03-06 18:37:56] wagwanbebe : what assurances do I have Bitmex wont exit scam if the ETF goes ahead :)
[2017-03-06 18:38:32] odieoh : @felix but unless they change the underlying formula to compute the mark price, what good does a difference in market maker make? If the mark price is 1,000, and you start opening trades at 950, you can do that all day long and it's not going to move the spot prices. Especially given that Bitmex prices aren't factored in to any of the common places people look for prices- coinmarketcap.com and bitcoinwisdom.com
[2017-03-06 18:38:35] datboiyuan : wagwanbebe: no assurances, cp risk fam
[2017-03-06 18:38:39] datboiyuan : fingers crossed!
[2017-03-06 18:39:04] wagwanbebe : datboiyuan: trust nobody fam
[2017-03-06 18:39:21] wagwanbebe : not even my cat mr fluffy
[2017-03-06 18:39:34] odieoh : @felix I guess I just disagree that people are looking at bitmex futures prices as a way to guide their spot trading prices, if that is your assertion
[2017-03-06 18:40:10] j8 : odieoh: if someone is selling the swap $50 under spot, i will be buying it, and selling spot
[2017-03-06 18:40:32] j8 : arbitrage makes up a huge percentage of the bitcoin markets imo
[2017-03-06 18:40:42] odieoh : Me too. But he is saying people are going to use futures to drive down overall prices
[2017-03-06 18:41:20] j8 : makes more sense on bitmex that traditional markets
[2017-03-06 18:41:50] j8 : since you are not liable for your position, just 0.5% maintenance margin
[2017-03-06 18:44:12] zy : why is the predicted fundding much lower than the current one?
[2017-03-06 18:44:33] odieoh : well the bottom line is that the mark price is based on OKC price and bitstamp price, so if you start undercutting the mark price, and no one trading on those exchanges cares, and they don't start trading at lower prices, you're just giving away free money to whoever takes your trade
[2017-03-06 18:49:05] Zen Trader : Thus we may know that there are five essentials for victory: 1 He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. 2 He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces. 3 He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks. 4 He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared. 5 He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
[2017-03-06 18:51:35] Rado : bitMex mods CLEF is shutting down, any alternatives?
[2017-03-06 18:52:27] j8 : some of them will care, because there's "free money" by arbitrage. they sell spot, buy swap and before long the price rockets up, the manipulator gets liquidated but bought spot, the arber gets ADL'd and sold spot @odieoh
[2017-03-06 18:53:34] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: At this time we only have Google Authenticator (Authy) as the other alternative for 2FA
[2017-03-06 18:53:48] Abelima : Newbie anyone can help me how to trade
[2017-03-06 18:53:55] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: :( not really an alternative
[2017-03-06 18:54:07] Rado : hate typing numbers
[2017-03-06 18:54:15] Felix : odieoh: A big player will influence futures prices cross the board, and will thus influence spot players willingness to buy o r sell. (wrote you two essays with a BIG explanation) , was deleted twice - apparently trollbox can just take so much:)
[2017-03-06 18:54:26] carl : Abelima: how much cap space do you have
[2017-03-06 18:54:34] carl : I've got a few prospects I could unload for a center
[2017-03-06 18:54:39] carl : We could also use a few defencemen
[2017-03-06 18:54:48] carl : Blue lines looking pretty weak heading into playoffs
[2017-03-06 18:55:25] Abelima : 2mbtc
[2017-03-06 18:55:34] ripcord : BitMEX_Greg: Google Authenitcator and Authy are two different things
[2017-03-06 18:55:44] llugo : bitmex_greg, is there any other way to know if i placed a hidden
[2017-03-06 18:56:02] llugo : order other than not seeing it in the orderbook?
[2017-03-06 18:56:10] Abelima : How much limit for trade
[2017-03-06 18:56:20] j8 : waiting for bitmex to implement U2F and/or Trezor Connect
[2017-03-06 18:56:43] Rado : Trezor Connect will be nice
[2017-03-06 18:57:01] j8 : trezor can do U2F too
[2017-03-06 18:57:13] Abelima : carl: Can u help me how to begin
[2017-03-06 18:57:36] Rado : 1200 users
[2017-03-06 18:57:42] Rado : chat is getting busy again
[2017-03-06 18:59:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 10 @ 0.036196
[2017-03-06 19:00:15] -_- : DASH and XMR
[2017-03-06 19:01:16] -_- : XMR 0.013 incoming
[2017-03-06 19:01:21] startChat : j8: plans for trezor connect?
[2017-03-06 19:01:49] j8 : not that i'm aware of
[2017-03-06 19:02:35] j8 : they haven't said anything about 2fa in a while, maybe with clef shutting down they'll have another look
[2017-03-06 19:03:27] sleger : is there a way to prevent a last minute withdrawal request ?
[2017-03-06 19:03:38] Rado : sleger: email support
[2017-03-06 19:04:17] carl : Abelima: go on the testnet and fuck around
[2017-03-06 19:04:28] carl : Abelima: if you don't even know how to trade don't use your own money
[2017-03-06 19:04:52] carl : you will get obliterated by trading legends like rapidtrades
[2017-03-06 19:05:02] -_- : someone closed out a bunch of contracts
[2017-03-06 19:05:13] j8 : pgp encrypted emails gives you another factor for withdrawals if you're not doing it already
[2017-03-06 19:05:51] sleger : good point
[2017-03-06 19:06:06] sleger : wonder what happened with that guy earlier who got hacked although he had 2FA
[2017-03-06 19:06:08] Rado : -_-: also opened
[2017-03-06 19:06:21] sleger : the hacker was stupid to request a withdrawal 18hours before the window....
[2017-03-06 19:06:27] -_- : total contracts for march went down 500,000
[2017-03-06 19:06:34] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: We contacted him and handled it
[2017-03-06 19:06:40] sleger : can you explain ?
[2017-03-06 19:06:48] BitMEX_Sam : j8: Yes, we are working with Clef to do a safe deactivation
[2017-03-06 19:07:02] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: Not in specifics, no, as it involves client data
[2017-03-06 19:07:18] BitMEX_Sam : We intend to implement U2F soon.
[2017-03-06 19:07:25] j8 : :thumbsup:
[2017-03-06 19:07:33] sleger : would be good to know what was done so that someone can hack into a 2FA protected account
[2017-03-06 19:07:37] Rado : ?
[2017-03-06 19:07:39] sleger : to avoid doing the same mistakes
[2017-03-06 19:07:44] BitMEX_Sam : Greg also forgot to mention we support Yubikey
[2017-03-06 19:07:58] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: It appears the attacker had access to the user's phone, which was being used for Google Auth as well
[2017-03-06 19:08:07] BitMEX_Sam : So email + GA + reset password = account breach
[2017-03-06 19:08:09] sleger : SIM copy then
[2017-03-06 19:08:12] Rado : sleger: I think his phone got hacked with some kind of application
[2017-03-06 19:08:19] BitMEX_Sam : Wouldn't be a SIM copy, no
[2017-03-06 19:08:33] BitMEX_Sam : SIM copies are good for subverting SMS 2FA but not 2FA via a local app, or a user's email
[2017-03-06 19:08:54] BitMEX_Sam : PGP + Google Auth or Yubikey is the safest option
[2017-03-06 19:09:19] sleger : if my phone is an iphone where i use 2FA and only I have access to it then i couldnt be hacked like that guy ?
[2017-03-06 19:09:26] sleger : 2fa via google auth
[2017-03-06 19:09:37] BitMEX_Sam : Unless the iphone itself were compromised, but if it doesn't also have access to your email account the risk is low
[2017-03-06 19:09:49] BitMEX_Sam : We are big fans of Yubikeys here for that reason, nothing beats an offline physical device
[2017-03-06 19:09:59] BitMEX_Sam : U2F will also fill that gap
[2017-03-06 19:10:33] tb : so sad
[2017-03-06 19:10:39] tb : clef was the best 2fa system by far
[2017-03-06 19:10:49] Rado : I liked it
[2017-03-06 19:10:56] Rado : easy to use
[2017-03-06 19:10:56] sleger : clef sucked if you didnt have cell phone reception though
[2017-03-06 19:11:05] tb : bitmex admins: did you guys have to pay to use clef?
[2017-03-06 19:11:10] tb : like per login or per user?
[2017-03-06 19:11:12] Rado : sleger: you mean data
[2017-03-06 19:11:16] wurstgelee : hm. antpool isnt supposed to mine BU iirc?
[2017-03-06 19:11:31] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/WhalePanda/status/838827733505441792
[2017-03-06 19:11:32] sleger : yubikey works to connect with an iphone ? (no usb)
[2017-03-06 19:11:39] wurstgelee : they apparently do now
[2017-03-06 19:11:43] j8 : seems silly to depend on a third party for login though. that was always my issue with clef
[2017-03-06 19:12:26] sleger : so fo yubikey i have to carry the stick everywhere AND also a lightning to usb adapter ?
[2017-03-06 19:12:45] Rado : sleger: I don't like this as well
[2017-03-06 19:12:57] Rado : j8: everything should be decentralized
[2017-03-06 19:13:10] Rado : no central company or server will be best for apps like that
[2017-03-06 19:13:13] j8 : apple wants you to bring a briefcase full of adapters with you everywhere
[2017-03-06 19:13:16] wurstgelee : yeah ok, that explains it. nobody cares here, market doesn do anything either oO
[2017-03-06 19:13:21] wurstgelee : *t
[2017-03-06 19:13:23] j8 : Rado: definitely
[2017-03-06 19:13:54] Rado : wurstgelee: what's that?
[2017-03-06 19:14:06] wurstgelee : whats what?
[2017-03-06 19:14:09] wurstgelee : antpool? BU=?
[2017-03-06 19:14:11] thomaskikansha : dashing
[2017-03-06 19:14:23] Rado : wurstgelee: oh yeah no one cares about BU
[2017-03-06 19:14:33] Whaler : yet
[2017-03-06 19:14:38] wurstgelee : well, if antpool switched to mining BU
[2017-03-06 19:14:43] wurstgelee : this is sth to care about imo
[2017-03-06 19:15:14] sleger : j8: you use a physical u2f device ?
[2017-03-06 19:15:28] rejndjer : if i am long and i want to lower my liq. price,then i should add btc to my margin?
[2017-03-06 19:15:38] Rado : wurstgelee: people don't care what the scaling solution is as long as there is one
[2017-03-06 19:15:39] j8 : sleger: i would use a trezor for u2f
[2017-03-06 19:15:48] j8 : rather than buy something else
[2017-03-06 19:16:05] sleger : i have a nano s
[2017-03-06 19:16:10] sleger : its not tiny though
[2017-03-06 19:16:28] wurstgelee : Rado: if u dont see how this affects the chances of egwit every getting activated, i cant help you
[2017-03-06 19:16:35] wurstgelee : *segwit
[2017-03-06 19:16:38] sleger : "Furthermore Nano S can manage multiple applications such as Bitcoin, Ethereum or FIDO U2F (strong authentication)."
[2017-03-06 19:16:58] Rado : wurstgelee: segwit doesn't have a chance anyway
[2017-03-06 19:17:19] Rado : I like it, but 95% to activate is imposibble
[2017-03-06 19:17:20] j8 : yep looks like they support it also
[2017-03-06 19:17:24] wurstgelee : i dont disagree - but it paints a different picture now
[2017-03-06 19:17:26] wurstgelee : more obvious
[2017-03-06 19:18:10] Rado : wurstgelee: where did you read the news about BU?
[2017-03-06 19:18:19] wurstgelee : this would usually be enough for a serious spike down, pobviously not in ETF decision week
[2017-03-06 19:18:24] wurstgelee : *-p
[2017-03-06 19:18:25] wurstgelee : :)
[2017-03-06 19:18:40] wurstgelee : Rado: twitter. and block explorer confirms it
[2017-03-06 19:18:58] wurstgelee : last two blocks mined by antpool are BU blocks
[2017-03-06 19:19:31] Rado : I watched an interview with Roger Ver and Ton Vase
[2017-03-06 19:19:45] Rado : to tell you the truth Roger had more credability
[2017-03-06 19:19:48] MikeHunt : btfd should be relatively safe until etf decision (fail)
[2017-03-06 19:19:50] j8 : i'm guessing Authy bought Clef
[2017-03-06 19:20:10] Rado : j8: if that's the case they will not shut it down
[2017-03-06 19:20:15] Rado : rather transition users
[2017-03-06 19:20:33] Rado : I think CLEF business model sucked
[2017-03-06 19:21:15] j8 : yeah i guess they would try to transition users. they did say they're joining another company though, so a competitor makes the most sense
[2017-03-06 19:22:20] Rado : when is the new quarterly coming out?
[2017-03-06 19:23:12] Rado : after ETF decision?
[2017-03-06 19:23:17] j8 : should be the 17th
[2017-03-06 19:23:26] j8 : 2 weeks before settlement
[2017-03-06 19:23:29] Misfit : Does it always did like this right before funding?
[2017-03-06 19:23:35] Misfit : Dip*
[2017-03-06 19:23:54] Noobz : ok late to the convo here... But wouldn't it be an idea to have the possibility to lock the withdrawal address as another layer of safety?
[2017-03-06 19:25:06] rapidtrades : Rado: how do I accelerate a transaction?
[2017-03-06 19:25:07] sleger : or add a 24h lock to any new address
[2017-03-06 19:25:13] sleger : rapidtrades: pedal faster
[2017-03-06 19:25:35] Rado : rapidtrades: not sue what do you mean
[2017-03-06 19:25:49] rapidtrades : nvm
[2017-03-06 19:25:51] Noobz : rapidtrades: https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/
[2017-03-06 19:26:20] Rado : what has worked great the last few weeks is buy/sell when XBTH17 goes out of the BB bands
[2017-03-06 19:26:27] Noobz : sleger: 24 hour limit would delay it a lot too
[2017-03-06 19:26:41] sleger : by 24 hours yes
[2017-03-06 19:26:44] sleger : that's the point
[2017-03-06 19:26:50] Rado : rapidtrades: you had to pay a high fee when you initiated it
[2017-03-06 19:26:57] Rado : not sure there is a way after the fact
[2017-03-06 19:27:19] Noobz : 24 to 47:59 @sleger depending on when it is used and put in the batch
[2017-03-06 19:28:25] zy : what's going to happen if margin is less than funding?
[2017-03-06 19:28:34] zy : for a long position
[2017-03-06 19:29:05] sleger : guess
[2017-03-06 19:29:28] zy : liq?
[2017-03-06 19:29:35] sleger : yes
[2017-03-06 19:30:35] Kalman : Don't listen to sleger. Bitmex sends you a cheque to refund your account
[2017-03-06 19:30:42] sleger : actually im not 100% sure as they put some margin aside for funding, not sure where it's accounted for @zy
[2017-03-06 19:30:53] sleger : but dont listen to kalman, he's obviously a troll
[2017-03-06 19:31:18] Rado : I remember BitMEX said that funding will not trigger liquidation
[2017-03-06 19:31:24] zy : you all terrible people
[2017-03-06 19:31:40] rapidtrades : Noobz: DOESN'T WORK
[2017-03-06 19:32:19] sleger : no shit, why would they add cheap transactions unless they dont have to
[2017-03-06 19:32:37] j8 : funding will not trigger a liquidation, but the change in mark price immediately after funding might
[2017-03-06 19:32:40] sleger : Rado: yes but what about the next funding or the one after that
[2017-03-06 19:32:59] Rado : sleger: hmm no idea
[2017-03-06 19:33:00] sleger : exactly, at some point funding can liquidate, indirectly
[2017-03-06 19:33:23] Rado : buying the dip worked again
[2017-03-06 19:33:26] sleger : the jump in mark is the preserve of next funding
[2017-03-06 19:33:32] Zen Trader : lots of peeps buying btc this week at our local atm ... sign of the times
[2017-03-06 19:33:33] Rado : I wish I can buy bigger size on H17
[2017-03-06 19:33:45] -_- : Rado: what's holding you back
[2017-03-06 19:33:51] Noobz : rapidtrades: it's the only accelerator I know. I have only used it for incoming tx and it seemed to work for that.
[2017-03-06 19:34:00] Rado : -_-: liquidity
[2017-03-06 19:34:00] Zen Trader : I dont think 1335 by today / tomorrow mabye after a correction totally not impossible
[2017-03-06 19:34:25] Rado : if you buy 100k at market price will go up at least $5
[2017-03-06 19:34:36] mtourig3 : 1000 btc buy wall
[2017-03-06 19:34:38] Rado : also there is a $2 spread on top of that
[2017-03-06 19:34:45] mtourig3 : stamp[
[2017-03-06 19:34:48] -_- : but price just dumped to 1301
[2017-03-06 19:35:10] Rado : -_-: and you could not buy 100k at 1301
[2017-03-06 19:35:15] Rado : that's my point
[2017-03-06 19:35:38] mtourig3 : she about to pop
[2017-03-06 19:35:40] -_- : but buy 100k at 1305-1307 instead of buying big 1313-1317 now
[2017-03-06 19:36:05] Rado : -_-: you don't seem to get my point
[2017-03-06 19:36:12] Rado : I am not saying I can not make money
[2017-03-06 19:36:17] Rado : just I can't make more of it
[2017-03-06 19:37:25] -_- : price is moving too much for 1 person to put 100k walls on both sides of the price
[2017-03-06 19:37:31] -_- : at all times
[2017-03-06 19:37:59] -_- : anyways short swap now to get that sweet sweet funding
[2017-03-06 19:38:00] Rado : There was an MM that was quoting 25k before
[2017-03-06 19:38:02] Rado : much better
[2017-03-06 19:38:13] Rado : I would love it if there is on that does 50k
[2017-03-06 19:38:40] ferpozie : guess its better to use as low leverage and if you get a better or good price gain, swipe to a larger leverage and take profit?
[2017-03-06 19:39:11] j8 : especially with the price increase, the btc notional quoted is way down
[2017-03-06 19:39:13] Rado : ferpozie: leverage doesn't increase your profit
[2017-03-06 19:40:52] ferpozie : Rado: what does leverage do? Itought based on the fact you can trade with 100 times more coins, you can make profit on the supposed larger trade which will increase your profit. Please correct me if I am wrong?
[2017-03-06 19:41:11] -_- : profit is based on position size (contracts)
[2017-03-06 19:41:19] rapidtrades : blockchain.info doesn't show estimate time anymore? none of the other sites seem to either
[2017-03-06 19:41:24] -_- : if you increase leverage from 5x to 20x you still are at same profit
[2017-03-06 19:41:30] Rado : ferpozie: you can't change your size after the trade was done
[2017-03-06 19:41:41] Rado : leverage just decreases your margin requirement
[2017-03-06 19:42:00] shapeshifter : anyone knows if theres a specific time of the day when SEC makes announcements?
[2017-03-06 19:42:18] micmix : rapidtrades: https://bitcoinfees.21.co/ shows estimated time based on fee
[2017-03-06 19:44:06] rapidtrades : micmix: seems wrong