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[2017-03-04 06:25:05] j8 : i bet the markets do some good fakeouts this week
[2017-03-04 06:25:52] micmix : arbitrage101: I think I said it before, 40-50% that it will be approved this time
[2017-03-04 06:26:03] arbitrage101 : micmix: ok
[2017-03-04 06:27:42] arbitrage101 : sound like betting long here is a bad deal
[2017-03-04 06:27:53] arbitrage101 : since all big players going to switch to isolated margin
[2017-03-04 06:28:23] micmix : buy real coins
[2017-03-04 06:29:49] lockhedge : micmix: deployed a bot in New Jersey with 2ms latency to the SEC's datacenter tonight, but they are using Akamai as CDN so i guess it's a bit lottery game
[2017-03-04 06:30:01] j8 : yep, hold coins and resist the temptation to arb futures
[2017-03-04 06:30:58] micmix : lockhedge: I'm not sure SEC page will be updated if it's approval by default. also not sure if SEC posts something if the application is withdrawn
[2017-03-04 06:32:13] lockhedge : micmix: notice of withdrawal by the SEC is usually posted some days after the withdrawal filing by the company (i guess that will be via twitter / press release first)
[2017-03-04 06:32:36] micmix : yeah, most likely press release first
[2017-03-04 06:33:45] micmix : coinetf on twitter shows "Account suspended" lol
[2017-03-04 06:34:58] degen : futures looking droopy
[2017-03-04 06:37:01] DorianWhack-A-Moto : micmix: think that was fake account
[2017-03-04 06:37:24] micmix : yeah, that's what I thought
[2017-03-04 06:39:25] j8 : are we safe for the weekend at least?
[2017-03-04 06:40:42] arbitrage101 : sec not working on weekend
[2017-03-04 06:41:30] arbitrage101 : j8: do you plan to stay up most of the time next week?
[2017-03-04 06:41:43] lockhedge : micmix: i don't think that the SEC will informally give them the advise to withdraw the application this time (the media is watching this process closely probably like none before, there is too much at stake regarding insider trading), so imho a withdrawal became relatively unlikely at this point
[2017-03-04 06:42:37] rapidtrades : i don't get that logic
[2017-03-04 06:42:42] j8 : arbitrage101: no, i don't want to burn out before the action starts. i have alarms set as always
[2017-03-04 06:43:05] shapeshifter : micmix: whats your email? Need to ask you something
[2017-03-04 06:43:31] micmix : shapeshifter: I'm not sharing my email
[2017-03-04 06:43:48] shapeshifter : micmix: do you have a dummy one?
[2017-03-04 06:43:54] micmix : no
[2017-03-04 06:44:03] omicron : micmix@gmail.com
[2017-03-04 06:44:08] shapeshifter : lol
[2017-03-04 06:44:17] arbitrage101 : arbitrage101@gmail.com
[2017-03-04 06:44:34] j8 : j@8.com
[2017-03-04 06:44:58] laisee : rapidtrades@cftc.com
[2017-03-04 06:45:23] rapidtrades : laisee: actually ur mum has my email
[2017-03-04 06:45:35] shapeshifter : micmix: wanted to discuss about that bot
[2017-03-04 06:45:56] j8 : micmix trade secrets are in high demand
[2017-03-04 06:45:57] omicron : its cftc.gov
[2017-03-04 06:46:05] micmix : lockhedge: I thought SEC doesn't do rejections, only in extreme cases. but maybe this is the extreme case
[2017-03-04 06:46:10] shapeshifter : yes, laisee mum is a psychologist for people with special needs...
[2017-03-04 06:46:37] laisee : rapidtrades: the attachment in ur mail looks like too small to be real.
[2017-03-04 06:46:56] omicron : can someone from bitmex tell me if I can get all 2016 executions for tax purposes
[2017-03-04 06:47:11] rapidtrades : shapeshifter: oh look its the nutjob who bought bitcoin in 2011
[2017-03-04 06:47:29] rapidtrades : won the lottery now thinks he's a genius lol
[2017-03-04 06:47:46] omicron : shapeshifter is voorhees??
[2017-03-04 06:48:09] rapidtrades : that's his company isnt it
[2017-03-04 06:48:15] rapidtrades : shishifter
[2017-03-04 06:48:22] shapeshifter : rapidtrades: never said this
[2017-03-04 06:48:28] rapidtrades : shitshifter
[2017-03-04 06:48:56] rapidtrades : shapeshifter: how stupid do u feel for relinquishing ur US citizenship?
[2017-03-04 06:49:03] shapeshifter : specialtrades
[2017-03-04 06:49:22] rapidtrades : luckytard
[2017-03-04 06:49:34] omicron : are you voorhees or not
[2017-03-04 06:49:40] rapidtrades : he is
[2017-03-04 06:49:41] lockhedge : micmix: it's already an extreme case because of the multiple deadline extensions , and rule changes normally don't trigger >20% volatility in a billion dollar asset
[2017-03-04 06:49:49] ubba : no he isnt
[2017-03-04 06:49:49] ubba : i am
[2017-03-04 06:50:09] shapeshifter : i dont think he would spent time talking with ppl with special needs on here
[2017-03-04 06:50:19] shapeshifter : even though is funny ;)
[2017-03-04 06:50:19] rapidtrades : yet u are here
[2017-03-04 06:50:24] omicron : anyone know what api call gets me my trade history?
[2017-03-04 06:50:25] ubba : im the ceo of shapesitter
[2017-03-04 06:50:40] omicron : nigga please
[2017-03-04 06:50:45] rapidtrades : i don't get these trades
[2017-03-04 06:50:57] rapidtrades : tons of volume price not moving
[2017-03-04 06:50:57] omicron : actually i type another word, it translated into ceo
[2017-03-04 06:51:06] rapidtrades : 83/84 for hours now
[2017-03-04 06:51:21] j8 : omicron: take a look at https://github.com/BitMEX/easy-data-scripts
[2017-03-04 06:51:47] rapidtrades : 3 hrs no movement and ppl keep trading
[2017-03-04 06:51:49] rapidtrades : why?
[2017-03-04 06:51:51] omicron : thanks j8
[2017-03-04 06:52:01] rapidtrades : smth fishy is going on
[2017-03-04 06:52:12] ubba : yes
[2017-03-04 06:52:26] ubba : it is very peculiar
[2017-03-04 06:52:46] InvalidUser : Shhh you will wake Bitcoin
[2017-03-04 06:53:01] DorianWhack-A-Moto : whos spamming future with 1 contract orders?
[2017-03-04 06:53:18] arbitrage101 : DorianWhack-A-Moto: normally it is my bot
[2017-03-04 06:53:23] arbitrage101 : but i stop it a while ago
[2017-03-04 06:53:26] arbitrage101 : keep crashing
[2017-03-04 06:53:30] lockhedge : micmix: from a game theoretical view, it's in their best interest (and Bitcoin/GBTC/... investors' interest) to let the deadline pass (don't actively approve it) and send out a press release to warn about bitcoin volatility
[2017-03-04 06:53:40] DorianWhack-A-Moto : is it just for fun or is it to trigger other bots?
[2017-03-04 06:54:02] arbitrage101 : live testing
[2017-03-04 06:54:05] arbitrage101 : not working so well
[2017-03-04 06:54:46] j8 : i'd say it's in their best interest to just deny it, then what do they care about volatility?
[2017-03-04 06:55:03] rapidtrades : its just wishful thinking
[2017-03-04 06:55:12] rapidtrades : bulls got on the hamster wheel
[2017-03-04 06:55:19] rapidtrades : china ded? oh look etf!
[2017-03-04 06:55:31] rapidtrades : etf denied? oh look a 2nd etf
[2017-03-04 06:55:56] rapidtrades : smone is illegally using bitcoin to take money out and is just floating these stories
[2017-03-04 06:56:16] arbitrage101 : right, would be extremely stupid for the gov to acknowledge bitcoin
[2017-03-04 06:56:53] rapidtrades : faking finex has a lot of expirience with manipulating reddit
[2017-03-04 07:00:58] omicron : hmm not getting any history from easy-scripts
[2017-03-04 07:04:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: buy 10 @ 0.015640
[2017-03-04 07:09:36] Holly Fuck : dump dump dump
[2017-03-04 07:14:01] rapidtrades : only march is dumping
[2017-03-04 07:14:04] rapidtrades : /price
[2017-03-04 07:14:08] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1279.49 (0.01%) Bitfinex : 1282.90 (0.01%) The Woodchipper : 1283.49 (-0.48%) itBit : 1285.25 (-0.14%) Kraken : 1273.51 (-0.37%) GDAX : 1289.16 (-0.03%) SLQ : 3 hours, 15 mins```
[2017-03-04 07:14:12] j8 : omicron: just nothing? worked for me
[2017-03-04 07:14:14] lockhedge : j8: it's their mission to ensure fair and orderly markets. afaik >$200m is invested alone in GBTC in the US. i guess they are aware about the impact of their decision. volatility concerns will not highly affect their decision, but likely the way they publish (or not publish) the order
[2017-03-04 07:15:13] rapidtrades : the 200mil already in GBTC says to me there's not much money left for the twins
[2017-03-04 07:15:33] rapidtrades : impact of ETF to price is way too optimistic imo
[2017-03-04 07:15:44] rapidtrades : 3k-5k etc is a fantasy long-term
[2017-03-04 07:15:55] rapidtrades : but short-term idiots rule and u can't fight them
[2017-03-04 07:17:09] cryptobull : Time for elevator?
[2017-03-04 07:19:39] degen : yes, imo
[2017-03-04 07:19:44] degen : just for a little bit
[2017-03-04 07:19:49] degen : like a day or so
[2017-03-04 07:19:50] j8 : i think it could affect their decision, it's a sign that the btc markets are not mature
[2017-03-04 07:19:58] ubba : i heard the SEC is approved
[2017-03-04 07:20:01] lockhedge : rapidtrades: i agree that the (possible long term) etf impact is over hyped. it will probably bring (and already brought) more trading volume directly to Gemini than it will bring via the ETF because of the free PR during the approval process (ETF will have higher fees + spread)
[2017-03-04 07:20:03] ubba : by the ETF
[2017-03-04 07:20:24] ubba : anyone confirm?
[2017-03-04 07:20:50] Holly Fuck : the ETF will turn out to be a failure
[2017-03-04 07:20:50] Ovan : I think we're gonna see consolidation between 1270-1290 for at least a couple of more hours
[2017-03-04 07:20:58] rangle : i can confirm that bitcoin runs on blockchain technology
[2017-03-04 07:21:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1512 @ 1278.42
[2017-03-04 07:21:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 600 @ 1278.76
[2017-03-04 07:22:34] DorianWhack-A-Moto : turtles all the way down
[2017-03-04 07:23:11] Ahhere : ubba: I can Confrim
[2017-03-04 07:23:30] Ahhere : If that helps
[2017-03-04 07:27:50] lockhedge : j8: if i were a liberal SEC official i would argue that the ETF creates a chance to bring more btc trading volume on regulated markets ;)
[2017-03-04 07:27:51] degen : slowest dump ever
[2017-03-04 07:28:47] rapidtrades : guys still lots of COIN bids down there
[2017-03-04 07:30:31] j8 : yeah good point @lockhedge
[2017-03-04 07:34:15] j8 : i just think there's a lot that can go wrong with the ETF, their amendment regarding hard forks is total garbage
[2017-03-04 07:34:47] j8 : i don't know if regulators understand the intricacies around it though
[2017-03-04 07:35:57] rapidtrades : if they wanted to approve it they could've done it already
[2017-03-04 07:36:35] rapidtrades : not gonna happen last minute with only 2 commissionaires and lame duck chair
[2017-03-04 07:37:03] j8 : but if they do, it's a deal breaker. the fund claims to hold only bitcoin, but it's not well defined "what is bitcoin".
[2017-03-04 07:37:10] rapidtrades : the new chair will take office, he'll dump the problem on him
[2017-03-04 07:37:20] rapidtrades : take office in march
[2017-03-04 07:39:24] lockhedge : j8: iirc it's in the end their decision what they do in case of a hard fork, same with any other exchange that acts as custodian for your btc
[2017-03-04 07:40:19] rapidtrades : i think the problem is what happens to coin received from second chain
[2017-03-04 07:41:00] rapidtrades : as is, COIN investors will not get the extra chain
[2017-03-04 07:41:15] rapidtrades : could make big diff with current bitcoin civil war
[2017-03-04 07:42:17] j8 : yeah, for example any exchange that refused to deliver both ETH and ETC would have been considered evil.. i'm not sure if any did?
[2017-03-04 07:44:44] j8 : it's a situation that's unique to crypto anyway
[2017-03-04 07:49:11] j8 : and i don't think this sort of risk is academic, there will be coin-splits and an endless battle over who rightfully deserves the title `Bitcoin`
[2017-03-04 07:49:51] arbitrage101 : Bitcorn sounds much better
[2017-03-04 07:50:03] rangle : our prophet Satoshi will resolve any conflict if the time comes
[2017-03-04 07:50:33] MikeHunt : wake up thinking i closed everything, fucking stop fired
[2017-03-04 07:50:33] Ahhere : arbitrage101: yeah the battle will be for rights to bitcorn name
[2017-03-04 07:50:33] j8 : but many false prophets will claim to be Him
[2017-03-04 07:51:22] Ahhere : Satoshi died for our sins
[2017-03-04 07:51:48] micmix : SEC decision is big unknow, but I'm sure the market will overreact one way or another
[2017-03-04 07:53:31] Ahhere : Left a few crumbs here to trade can't decide what or which way to go. Probably should short march once it gets to 1330s+
[2017-03-04 07:53:57] MikeHunt : might get to 1450 by next week end
[2017-03-04 07:54:32] Ahhere : True. Maybe I'll long. Or maybe I'll take weekend off. Yep I'll do that.
[2017-03-04 07:57:55] MikeHunt : good plan
[2017-03-04 08:07:32] BTCDJS : Guys. Don't FOMO to get longs on here if ETF is approved. Just hold SPOT. No point trying to trade here.
[2017-03-04 08:08:20] Derreck : top 1 quarterly holder on 0k coin got margin called yet again
[2017-03-04 08:16:58] Rado : Derreck: how do you know he got margin called?
[2017-03-04 08:17:17] Rado : BTCDJS: are you kidding
[2017-03-04 08:17:44] BTCDJS : No
[2017-03-04 08:17:54] Rado : you must be
[2017-03-04 08:18:43] Rado : with 0.8787 BTC I can buy 76.36 BTC
[2017-03-04 08:19:10] Rado : that way I can make a lot more money
[2017-03-04 08:22:29] degen : Derreck: no he did not
[2017-03-04 08:59:17] Ahhere : So quiet today
[2017-03-04 09:00:38] BTCDJS : shh
[2017-03-04 09:04:14] DorianWhack-A-Moto : not much movement on markets
[2017-03-04 09:04:31] DorianWhack-A-Moto : OKC futures still playing tricksies
[2017-03-04 09:04:49] DorianWhack-A-Moto : wall at 1309
[2017-03-04 09:04:59] DorianWhack-A-Moto : its yuuuge
[2017-03-04 09:05:01] rangle : they tricksing us my precious
[2017-03-04 09:05:26] DorianWhack-A-Moto : earlier those big walls were on sell side
[2017-03-04 09:05:44] DorianWhack-A-Moto : aaand its gone
[2017-03-04 09:06:39] DorianWhack-A-Moto : sold into, price doesn't finch. wtf
[2017-03-04 09:06:44] DorianWhack-A-Moto : flinch
[2017-03-04 09:07:49] DorianWhack-A-Moto : OKC quarts most exciting chart
[2017-03-04 09:07:54] DorianWhack-A-Moto : should be on pay per view
[2017-03-04 09:10:31] MikeHunt : yep something is off
[2017-03-04 09:10:44] MikeHunt : we're about to fall out of a rising continuation pattern
[2017-03-04 09:10:47] MikeHunt : i dont trust that wall
[2017-03-04 09:10:52] MikeHunt : alrdy got burnt by a trickster
[2017-03-04 09:10:54] degen : why does the mark price on march keep going up when everything else stays the same?
[2017-03-04 09:17:43] jayesh : BitMex really need to change the Index Price Now. BitStamp is so much Behind & Liquidity is shit.
[2017-03-04 09:17:47] Mc2 : I say today is better than last saturday but sunday and monday will pick up. What i can decide is when people will sell before next weekend...... buy all the cheap BTC!!!!
[2017-03-04 09:18:10] Mc2 : Cant
[2017-03-04 09:21:07] Destinedtodoomed : Hi guys !
[2017-03-04 09:21:32] Destinedtodoomed : I am new here and I want to trade leverage. So far I am not able to understand anything. Any help?
[2017-03-04 09:23:27] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Destinedtodoomed: which part don't you understand?
[2017-03-04 09:23:50] Destinedtodoomed : I don't know where to start
[2017-03-04 09:24:01] bitcoingame : Destinedtodoomed: bee carefull
[2017-03-04 09:24:03] Destinedtodoomed : i got a small amount of Bitcoin here
[2017-03-04 09:24:11] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Destinedtodoomed: Have you traded on any other site before?
[2017-03-04 09:24:12] micmix : Destinedtodoomed: do you think the price will go up? if you do, select XBT -> Perpetual Swap in the middle, then select Market under Palce Order, enter quantity like 1000 and click Buy/Long
[2017-03-04 09:24:16] Destinedtodoomed : and I think the price of Bitcoin will go up
[2017-03-04 09:24:22] bitcoingame : my 1 btc gone within 15 min maybe yesterday :D
[2017-03-04 09:24:28] Destinedtodoomed : I have done trading in polo
[2017-03-04 09:24:35] DorianWhack-A-Moto : bitcoingame: you went 100x didn't you?
[2017-03-04 09:24:45] bitcoingame : DorianWhack-A-Moto: 50x
[2017-03-04 09:24:55] SilverKnight : Destinedtodoomed: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradingOverview
[2017-03-04 09:25:02] SilverKnight : start there
[2017-03-04 09:25:07] bitcoingame : I had + 0.2 btc and within 1 sec - 0.80 btc
[2017-03-04 09:25:07] SilverKnight : read everything
[2017-03-04 09:25:09] Destinedtodoomed : I Don't understand the quantity why do it in usd, not BTC?
[2017-03-04 09:25:13] j8 : yes, there's even a section called "where to start"
[2017-03-04 09:25:37] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Destinedtodoomed: because you're trading "contracts" valued at 1USD each
[2017-03-04 09:25:45] rullwull : Destinedtodoomed: only use 100x
[2017-03-04 09:26:04] micmix : Destinedtodoomed: the quantity is in USD bit it shows how much bitcoin Order Value
[2017-03-04 09:26:30] Destinedtodoomed : DorianWhack-A-Moto: how much can I buy if I use 1 BTC?
[2017-03-04 09:26:41] Vicariously : at 100x......100
[2017-03-04 09:26:43] Vicariously : lol
[2017-03-04 09:26:49] Destinedtodoomed : Okay here is the situation
[2017-03-04 09:26:59] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Destinedtodoomed: 100BTC for 1 BTC with 100x leverage
[2017-03-04 09:27:02] bitcoingame : Destinedtodoomed: around 60000 contracts
[2017-03-04 09:27:06] Destinedtodoomed : i think Bitcoin will go up and I want to margin 50 X
[2017-03-04 09:27:13] DorianWhack-A-Moto : roughly
[2017-03-04 09:27:17] Destinedtodoomed : what should I do?
[2017-03-04 09:27:22] SilverKnight : Destinedtodoomed: seriously... just read the references section ->https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradingOverview
[2017-03-04 09:27:26] SilverKnight : then come back and ask questions
[2017-03-04 09:27:32] SilverKnight : it will be easier for everyone
[2017-03-04 09:27:33] Destinedtodoomed : SilverKnight: I read it
[2017-03-04 09:27:47] bitcoingame : Destinedtodoomed: short it :P
[2017-03-04 09:27:47] Vicariously : pick multiple entry points dont go all in on one. watch your liquiadation relative to Mark price. dont get liquidated. save some extra for extra margin if you need it,
[2017-03-04 09:27:47] SilverKnight : your questions were answered there
[2017-03-04 09:27:56] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Destinedtodoomed: you should go to testnet.bitmex.com and register, get faucet coins and play the test market
[2017-03-04 09:27:57] utilityguide : Good advice
[2017-03-04 09:28:11] rullwull : don't delay with new deposits ?
[2017-03-04 09:28:21] micmix : Destinedtodoomed: 50000 contracts is approx 39 btc, will give you 39x leverage on your 1 btc
[2017-03-04 09:28:24] Destinedtodoomed : DorianWhack-A-Moto: thanks for the advise but I don't have time
[2017-03-04 09:28:41] SilverKnight : Destinedtodoomed: why no?
[2017-03-04 09:28:48] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Destinedtodoomed: you sound very eager to lose your 1 btc
[2017-03-04 09:28:50] Destinedtodoomed : SilverKnight: busy Hong Kong life
[2017-03-04 09:29:01] SilverKnight : if you dont have time to learn then you will just lose your money
[2017-03-04 09:29:03] SilverKnight : seriously...
[2017-03-04 09:29:10] SilverKnight : just give it to me instead
[2017-03-04 09:29:12] SilverKnight : :P
[2017-03-04 09:29:17] SilverKnight : it is such a waste
[2017-03-04 09:29:27] Destinedtodoomed : SilverKnight: haha that's why I want you to teach me how to place order
[2017-03-04 09:29:33] Destinedtodoomed : if I win than good enough. Otherwise no worries
[2017-03-04 09:29:41] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Destinedtodoomed: see the calculator icon under the bitmex logo? you can use that to see how many contracts you can buy at 50x and potential profit
[2017-03-04 09:29:52] Destinedtodoomed : DorianWhack-A-Moto: okay let me see
[2017-03-04 09:30:14] SilverKnight : Destinedtodoomed: dude... you want us to teach you? I charge 1 BTC per hour of instruction...
[2017-03-04 09:30:19] SilverKnight : :D
[2017-03-04 09:30:33] javierstone : we're going to pump so hard today, yknow why?
[2017-03-04 09:30:44] javierstone : its the only dya of the year thats a command
[2017-03-04 09:30:45] SilverKnight : javierstone: oh do tell ;)
[2017-03-04 09:30:51] javierstone : march fourth bitches
[2017-03-04 09:30:58] SilverKnight : haha
[2017-03-04 09:31:30] micmix : Destinedtodoomed: I did the math for you, you have to buy 55000 contracts to go 50x on your 1 btc
[2017-03-04 09:31:59] Destinedtodoomed : Okay and where would I will be liquidated?
[2017-03-04 09:32:20] arbitrage101 : a 2% price drop
[2017-03-04 09:32:36] arbitrage101 : possibly less
[2017-03-04 09:32:44] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Destinedtodoomed: sorry calculator doesn't show how many contracts, calculator shows liq price if you click on "liquidation price"
[2017-03-04 09:32:57] Destinedtodoomed : Ok
[2017-03-04 09:33:14] micmix : Destinedtodoomed: you'll be liquidated around 1270
[2017-03-04 09:34:02] SilverKnight : keep in mind your actual liquidation price will be different than that.
[2017-03-04 09:34:19] SilverKnight : the mark price can vary quite a bit from the bid/ask/last of the contract
[2017-03-04 09:35:20] DorianWhack-A-Moto : He's getting a trollbox crash course. Wonder how this will end? *grabs popcorn*
[2017-03-04 09:35:29] SilverKnight : so by the time the mark price reaches 1270, the bid/ask/last could be 5-10usd below
[2017-03-04 09:35:41] micmix : we will thank him for his 1 btc @DorianWhack-A-Moto
[2017-03-04 09:35:43] SilverKnight : and then you get liquidated there
[2017-03-04 09:38:56] DorianWhack-A-Moto : what about cross? that'd be safer for him?
[2017-03-04 09:39:09] rangle : no
[2017-03-04 09:39:40] SilverKnight : there is no "safe"
[2017-03-04 09:39:44] SilverKnight : or "safer"
[2017-03-04 09:39:45] SilverKnight : :P
[2017-03-04 09:40:11] SilverKnight : this is war
[2017-03-04 09:40:13] DorianWhack-A-Moto : less leverage, more margin
[2017-03-04 09:41:27] kurkudu : so many people in trollbox want his one bitcoin)
[2017-03-04 09:42:59] DorianWhack-A-Moto : it'd get divided up
[2017-03-04 09:43:26] DorianWhack-A-Moto : satoshi scattered like his ashes on the sea
[2017-03-04 09:45:26] DorianWhack-A-Moto : is it possible OKC are buying and selling to themselves to pump up volume?
[2017-03-04 09:45:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 60 @ 0.037796
[2017-03-04 09:45:58] laisee : /rekt
[2017-03-04 09:45:58] trollbot : ``` 20 hours, 4 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 125000 @ 1274.31 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:```
[2017-03-04 09:45:58] trollbot : ``` 20 hours, 6 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 77300 @ 1276.62 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:```
[2017-03-04 09:45:59] trollbot : ``` 16 hours, 14 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 155190 @ 1268.67 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:```
[2017-03-04 09:45:59] trollbot : ``` 20 hours, 4 mins ago: Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 120000 @ 1273.68 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:```
[2017-03-04 09:46:24] DorianWhack-A-Moto : those are stale rekts. where are the fresh ones?
[2017-03-04 09:46:37] Destinedtodoomed : One more question guys
[2017-03-04 09:46:38] laisee : my question also
[2017-03-04 09:46:50] laisee : why the stale rekts ...
[2017-03-04 09:46:53] Destinedtodoomed : why the price is more here as compared to other exchanges?
[2017-03-04 09:47:44] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Destinedtodoomed: finex, stamp and gemini more than here
[2017-03-04 09:47:57] DorianWhack-A-Moto : sorry not stamp
[2017-03-04 09:48:00] MikeHunt : Destinedtodoomed: this is a derivatives exchange
[2017-03-04 09:48:08] MikeHunt : Destinedtodoomed: price is largely down to sentiment
[2017-03-04 09:48:23] Destinedtodoomed : Okay I placed a long order
[2017-03-04 09:48:27] Destinedtodoomed : around 1285
[2017-03-04 09:48:28] Destinedtodoomed : wishnme luck
[2017-03-04 09:48:40] InvalidUser : gl
[2017-03-04 09:48:42] MikeHunt : Destinedtodoomed: i recommend not playing with much until ur confident/comfortable
[2017-03-04 09:49:07] Destinedtodoomed : MikeHunt: I just placed 0.1 BTC for starters
[2017-03-04 09:49:26] MikeHunt : Destinedtodoomed: do you have any prior trading experience in forex/stocks?
[2017-03-04 09:49:28] Destinedtodoomed : What is derivates exchange?
[2017-03-04 09:49:40] Destinedtodoomed : MikeHunt: no but I have been trading at polo
[2017-03-04 09:49:47] Destinedtodoomed : MikeHunt: stocks a bit
[2017-03-04 09:50:46] MikeHunt : Destinedtodoomed: basically they have contracts which derive value from other exchange's prices
[2017-03-04 09:50:47] Destinedtodoomed : One last question before I am off. How can I close my position?
[2017-03-04 09:51:19] MikeHunt : Destinedtodoomed: you do the opposite of you trade, ie: you buy 1000 contracts, to close you would sell 1000 contracts
[2017-03-04 09:51:34] MikeHunt : you also have Stop Market which can close it for you at a specified price
[2017-03-04 09:52:01] DorianWhack-A-Moto : or just click 'Market' to close at market
[2017-03-04 09:52:03] Destinedtodoomed : MikeHunt: got ya. Thanks. The interference here is a bit different
[2017-03-04 09:52:12] rangle : and market orders have higher fee than letting an order fill from the book with limit, so you know
[2017-03-04 09:52:18] Destinedtodoomed : thanks for your help guys. I am going back to work
[2017-03-04 09:52:30] kurkudu : you got so many free advises, put the whole bitcoin) @Destinedtodoomed
[2017-03-04 09:52:31] Destinedtodoomed : Will check at night.
[2017-03-04 09:52:37] MikeHunt : good luck
[2017-03-04 09:52:41] Destinedtodoomed : kurkudu: sooner or later I will
[2017-03-04 09:52:49] Destinedtodoomed : Bye!
[2017-03-04 09:52:52] rangle : id set a price alert if i were you
[2017-03-04 09:53:05] Destinedtodoomed : rangle: how to do that?
[2017-03-04 09:53:17] rangle : theres many apps
[2017-03-04 09:53:40] Destinedtodoomed : rangle: got ya! I got one too blockfolio
[2017-03-04 09:53:53] Destinedtodoomed : i thought they have option here or something
[2017-03-04 09:54:02] Destinedtodoomed : bye for now. My asshole boss would be looking for me
[2017-03-04 09:54:14] Destinedtodoomed : wish I turn my 1 BTC into 100
[2017-03-04 09:54:24] Destinedtodoomed : and quit my job by night.
[2017-03-04 09:54:49] BTCDJS : Destinedtodoomed: you are going to lose all your money
[2017-03-04 09:54:55] Destinedtodoomed : Over and out lads!
[2017-03-04 09:55:03] DorianWhack-A-Moto : then turn the 100 BTC back to 1 btc, ask for job back
[2017-03-04 09:55:19] DorianWhack-A-Moto : get high and do it all again
[2017-03-04 09:55:25] DorianWhack-A-Moto : its the crypto way
[2017-03-04 09:55:43] MikeHunt : i turned 8.6BTC into 0.05BTC
[2017-03-04 09:55:50] MikeHunt : baptism of fire
[2017-03-04 09:55:50] BTCDJS : he's going to lose 1BTC at a time until he can't afford to buy anymore bitcoin. He will have to pick up extra shifts
[2017-03-04 09:56:00] DorianWhack-A-Moto : i turned 9 BTC into a macbook pro
[2017-03-04 09:56:10] MikeHunt : DorianWhack-A-Moto: 9000$ ?
[2017-03-04 09:56:11] DorianWhack-A-Moto : thanks 2015
[2017-03-04 09:56:55] BTCDJS : I turned 19BTC into 2 BTC then back into 24BTC
[2017-03-04 09:56:57] DorianWhack-A-Moto : MikeHunt: lol no cant remember btc price but it must have been like $2500 or something for 9 btc
[2017-03-04 09:57:34] MikeHunt : DorianWhack-A-Moto: well u could blown it all here like i did so i cant fault you
[2017-03-04 09:58:32] DorianWhack-A-Moto : MikeHunt: think everybody in crypto has a "wish i didn't blow this much" story
[2017-03-04 09:59:44] BTCDJS : its better to be an investor than a trader
[2017-03-04 10:00:29] DorianWhack-A-Moto : i have btc that will never touch a market
[2017-03-04 10:00:57] DorianWhack-A-Moto : im saving for the future where there is no need to sell for fiat, everything can be bought or paid for with it
[2017-03-04 10:01:01] MikeHunt : what i should have done was deposited a small amount here and then kept rest on stamp and traded old way with that
[2017-03-04 10:01:49] DorianWhack-A-Moto : and if and when another crypto becomes the leader, i'll exchange it for that
[2017-03-04 10:01:54] rangle : ive found i do best catching longer trend on lower leverage
[2017-03-04 10:02:27] BTCDJS : buy BTC ETH XMR REP DASH ZEC and keep ears to the ground for others and lock em away and wait. at least 3 of those will make you rich
[2017-03-04 10:02:36] DorianWhack-A-Moto : we're all still early adopters. mainstream still hasn't caught on yet.
[2017-03-04 10:03:09] MikeHunt : i'd wait until after ETF decision before touching alts
[2017-03-04 10:03:18] MikeHunt : if its fail then you could get real bargain
[2017-03-04 10:03:35] BTCDJS : ETF will not affect high end alts
[2017-03-04 10:03:47] MikeHunt : BTCDJS: jan crash raped everything in USD terms
[2017-03-04 10:04:00] BTCDJS : these alts will climb with bitcoin
[2017-03-04 10:04:11] MikeHunt : BTCDJS: yeh they'll climb against btc but drop again $
[2017-03-04 10:04:15] MikeHunt : against*
[2017-03-04 10:04:22] MikeHunt : so if u wait u can buy them up cheap with $
[2017-03-04 10:04:42] rangle : too long to explain in trollbox, but after 2013 BTC bubble, money rotated into alts and started huge pumps on many
[2017-03-04 10:05:44] DorianWhack-A-Moto : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2017-03-03/place-your-bet-on-whether-the-sec-approves-a-bitcoin-etf
[2017-03-04 10:05:53] DorianWhack-A-Moto : "bitcoin is just this hot new currency..."
[2017-03-04 10:06:02] DorianWhack-A-Moto : bitch it aint new. been here for 8 years.
[2017-03-04 10:07:39] SilverKnight : i think we've got a dump coming up boys(and girls)
[2017-03-04 10:07:56] BTCDJS : did twitter tell you that?
[2017-03-04 10:08:23] SilverKnight : BTCDJS: no... the chart did...
[2017-03-04 10:09:06] DorianWhack-A-Moto : been watching OKC QTLy all day, felt like its been building up to something
[2017-03-04 10:09:09] SilverKnight : BTCDJS: im talking a short term dump... intraday... not a big one
[2017-03-04 10:09:20] BTCDJS : ( ಠ ͜ʖರೃ)
[2017-03-04 10:10:14] BTCDJS : I'm waiting for 1070-80
[2017-03-04 10:10:15] SilverKnight : BTCDJS:might be completely wrong... but...
[2017-03-04 10:10:22] BTCDJS : ^^
[2017-03-04 10:10:31] BTCDJS : gonna happen at some point
[2017-03-04 10:10:37] SilverKnight : yes
[2017-03-04 10:10:39] SilverKnight : true
[2017-03-04 10:10:41] BTCDJS : we are near the top
[2017-03-04 10:11:07] MikeHunt : we could get a flash crash to support ~1220 at any time
[2017-03-04 10:11:23] MikeHunt : havent had one in a few days
[2017-03-04 10:11:27] SilverKnight : MikeHunt: yea... thats the sort of small crash I was thinking of
[2017-03-04 10:11:30] BTCDJS : MikeHunt: show us a chart
[2017-03-04 10:13:11] MikeHunt : http://www.tradingview.com/x/qNc5U3sv
[2017-03-04 10:13:23] MikeHunt : red line being support/
[2017-03-04 10:14:09] BTCDJS : that chart is shit
[2017-03-04 10:14:36] MikeHunt : BTCDJS: all charts are shit to u lol
[2017-03-04 10:15:12] BTCDJS : no not all charts
[2017-03-04 10:15:24] BTCDJS : just yours
[2017-03-04 10:15:43] MikeHunt : BTCDJS: can u atleast say why its shit?
[2017-03-04 10:16:10] SilverKnight : https://www.screencast.com/t/mWl2sm1oOE
[2017-03-04 10:16:15] SilverKnight : head and shoulders
[2017-03-04 10:17:12] SilverKnight : declining volume on the right hand shoulder
[2017-03-04 10:17:27] SilverKnight : BUT..... we are still in a serious uptrend...
[2017-03-04 10:17:28] SilverKnight : so...
[2017-03-04 10:17:32] BTCDJS : yup. this chart makes more sense
[2017-03-04 10:17:36] SilverKnight : take it with a grain of salt...
[2017-03-04 10:17:51] MikeHunt : BTCDJS: why is that?
[2017-03-04 10:18:42] BTCDJS : MikeHunt: Let me do a chart and show you what I look at
[2017-03-04 10:24:26] Holly Fuck : all i will do is selling，selling，selling
[2017-03-04 10:25:10] BTCDJS : MikeHunt:https://www.coinigy.com/s/i/58ba95e2/ Now let me do one with BBands and cloud
[2017-03-04 10:28:30] BTCDJS : MikeHunt:https://www.coinigy.com/s/i/58ba96c1/
[2017-03-04 10:28:44] BTCDJS : BBands next
[2017-03-04 10:28:53] MikeHunt : BTCDJS: the chart i showed u is for short term trading
[2017-03-04 10:29:02] MikeHunt : i have a longer term one
[2017-03-04 10:30:18] SilverKnight : the head and shoulders at least signals a sideways/consolidating market in the short term...
[2017-03-04 10:30:26] SilverKnight : over the next 24 hours or so.
[2017-03-04 10:30:38] SilverKnight : so, prepare for spikes in all directions...
[2017-03-04 10:30:49] wurstgelee : SilverKnight: or you could say: the hourly is bullflaggging
[2017-03-04 10:30:49] MikeHunt : BTCDJS: https://www.tradingview.com/x/ZZpN6XXE/
[2017-03-04 10:30:57] wurstgelee : *-g
[2017-03-04 10:31:09] MikeHunt : wurstgelee: yup
[2017-03-04 10:31:12] SilverKnight : wurstgelee: yep thats true too
[2017-03-04 10:31:58] wurstgelee : which is what i opt for because no ETf rejection the next 2 days (weekend)
[2017-03-04 10:32:16] SilverKnight : wurstgelee: thats a sensible perspective
[2017-03-04 10:32:18] wurstgelee : market bullish af, btc>gold, btc ath -> media coverage etc...
[2017-03-04 10:32:26] wurstgelee : its wrong to not be long
[2017-03-04 10:32:35] wurstgelee : this should be clear by now
[2017-03-04 10:32:39] MikeHunt : wurstgelee: what about lack of fiat due to weekend?
[2017-03-04 10:33:00] wurstgelee : stoploss saves asses, fixed margin to protect account against random flashdump
[2017-03-04 10:33:02] wurstgelee : done
[2017-03-04 10:33:22] wurstgelee : MikeHunt: nothing
[2017-03-04 10:33:25] BTCDJS : MikeHunt:https://www.coinigy.com/s/i/58ba97ce/
[2017-03-04 10:33:34] wurstgelee : we have had mad weekend pumps
[2017-03-04 10:34:58] MikeHunt : BTCDJS: yeh i think we're close but still have some headroom for next week pump
[2017-03-04 10:36:22] wurstgelee : dont try to call tops on this, too much of a gamble. we have never been here and in this situation, you cant tell how much room there is
[2017-03-04 10:36:41] rangle : that statement goes both ways
[2017-03-04 10:36:56] wurstgelee : rangle: yes. but since its a bull martket, be long
[2017-03-04 10:37:00] BTCDJS : MikeHunt: Yup could still make another small high. I would never short. But I will only place my bids lower to catch the knifes. My price is 1070-80 and if my order doesn't get filled my btc still goes up in value anyway. And Ill catch the next dip
[2017-03-04 10:37:07] wurstgelee : until its not a bullmarket anymore
[2017-03-04 10:38:17] wurstgelee : again, no suprise etf rejection in the next ~48h, ath territory, no parabolic yet, etc pp
[2017-03-04 10:38:26] wurstgelee : perfect conditions for a weekend pump
[2017-03-04 10:38:45] BTCDJS : or dump
[2017-03-04 10:38:59] rangle : guess i should measure the angle of this rise vs 2013
[2017-03-04 10:39:31] wurstgelee : BTCDJS: why dump now? you cant tell ETF decision until it is there and selling heaps doesnt make sense
[2017-03-04 10:40:04] wurstgelee : the closer we get to 11th with out rejection, the more we crawl up
[2017-03-04 10:40:34] BTCDJS : yeah I just read what you said properly.
[2017-03-04 10:40:42] wurstgelee : i agree, this is bitcoin, but thats whats more likely than dumping, imo. and playing against the odds makes no sense
[2017-03-04 10:41:03] rangle : angle on this rise is 57 degrees vs 2013 has 69 degrees
[2017-03-04 10:41:29] wurstgelee : historic data doesnt matter much imo, never been here, never had an ETF-decision-like situation
[2017-03-04 10:41:35] wurstgelee : we never had a comparable situation
[2017-03-04 10:42:10] BTCDJS : wurstgelee: Im still not buying in now. fair enough if I had a long a few 100$ back I would hold it. But I'm not entering now. Id rather wait for the dip
[2017-03-04 10:42:14] BTCDJS : big dip
[2017-03-04 10:42:25] rangle : MT Gox collapse is pretty similar
[2017-03-04 10:42:41] rullwull : very interesting situation right now
[2017-03-04 10:43:04] MikeHunt : i think the problem with expecting 1k or 1080 is that it assumes we are still in a bull run
[2017-03-04 10:43:13] wurstgelee : i have been working a lot with 25-50x long and close > 100% ROE. if it goes wrong, you lose one trade.
[2017-03-04 10:43:25] wurstgelee : and it alresady worked quitre a few times during this run ;)
[2017-03-04 10:43:26] MikeHunt : whales may well want to use etf fail to push this right down
[2017-03-04 10:43:35] wurstgelee : reopren fter closed
[2017-03-04 10:43:40] wurstgelee : maybe wait for a smaller dip
[2017-03-04 10:43:45] wurstgelee : rinse and repeat
[2017-03-04 10:44:08] wurstgelee : locks in profits regularily and limits exposure
[2017-03-04 10:44:42] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Any people from India here?
[2017-03-04 10:44:45] Ahhere : wurstgelee: yeah but bit boring. All money management and no yolo...
[2017-03-04 10:44:51] wurstgelee : Ahhere: lol
[2017-03-04 10:44:54] wurstgelee : :D
[2017-03-04 10:45:00] rullwull : couldn't imagine that in such important moment for bitcoin china is out of the game
[2017-03-04 10:45:03] wurstgelee : common sense imo
[2017-03-04 10:45:08] wurstgelee : i wouldnt even call that management
[2017-03-04 10:45:12] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Nobody's in India?
[2017-03-04 10:45:15] DorianWhack-A-Moto : none of you
[2017-03-04 10:45:23] BTCDJS : You just know one of these exchanges is going to get hacked or some weird thing is going to spring into play. It always happens. Then everybody just laughs and says. Well thats bitcoin for ya. I trust the TA
[2017-03-04 10:45:33] Ahhere : so are chinese exchanges live again?
[2017-03-04 10:45:42] wurstgelee : BTCDJS: so? what are u trying to say?
[2017-03-04 10:45:44] rullwull : DorianWhack-A-Moto: im in maldives right now, very close to india)
[2017-03-04 10:45:45] rangle : good way to do it wurstgelee, ive found stop loss can just be guarantee loss
[2017-03-04 10:45:56] BTCDJS : wurstgelee: im waiting
[2017-03-04 10:46:00] DorianWhack-A-Moto : rullwull: Zebpay trading at $1477
[2017-03-04 10:46:03] MikeHunt : TA aint just indicator of price but overall bitcoin behavior inc. back swans etc.
[2017-03-04 10:46:10] MikeHunt : imo
[2017-03-04 10:46:17] wurstgelee : lol what?
[2017-03-04 10:46:21] wurstgelee : u want to TA black swans?
[2017-03-04 10:46:29] DorianWhack-A-Moto : rullwull: perfect arbitrage opp
[2017-03-04 10:46:35] MikeHunt : wurstgelee: well etf fail would be next one supposedly
[2017-03-04 10:46:59] wurstgelee : how do u define black swan for bitcoin? how much down?
[2017-03-04 10:47:14] MikeHunt : wurstgelee: depends on the severity
[2017-03-04 10:47:19] rullwull : DorianWhack-A-Moto: what would you with rupees?
[2017-03-04 10:47:22] wurstgelee : and does it need to be prolonged decline or is a wick sufficient?
[2017-03-04 10:47:40] DorianWhack-A-Moto : rullwull: haven't got that far.
[2017-03-04 10:47:47] DorianWhack-A-Moto : need to become bros with an indian
[2017-03-04 10:47:51] DorianWhack-A-Moto : figure out the rest later
[2017-03-04 10:48:41] wurstgelee : DorianWhack-A-Moto: i might know some indian guy in crypto, i could pass a message
[2017-03-04 10:48:41] Ahhere : Only reason to wait so long to decide on etf and then deny it in the last week for me is to increase volatility, burn some ppl and discredit bitcoin again with a nice crash. Maybe I'm reading too much into the tea leaves.
[2017-03-04 10:48:43] rullwull : DorianWhack-A-Moto: actually my partner is already establishing some bitcoin exchange businesses in india
[2017-03-04 10:49:03] Ahhere : DorianWhack-A-Moto: isnt it illegal in india or smthing?
[2017-03-04 10:49:22] MikeHunt : btc may not recover if denied etf
[2017-03-04 10:49:28] MikeHunt : with other contenders out there
[2017-03-04 10:49:32] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Ahhere: no not illegal
[2017-03-04 10:49:43] Ahhere : Sorry Bangladash In September 2014, Bangladesh Bank said that "anybody caught using the virtual currency could be jailed under the country's strict anti-money laundering laws".[3]
[2017-03-04 10:49:50] Ahhere : wikipedia
[2017-03-04 10:50:38] Ahhere : MikeHunt: other coins dont have etf either so nope
[2017-03-04 10:50:58] MikeHunt : Ahhere: they may eventually
[2017-03-04 10:50:59] MikeHunt : http://i.imgur.com/yLneuGF.png
[2017-03-04 10:51:05] rullwull : MikeHunt: etf is just another bitcoin news, in long term bitcoin don't give a fck about it, in a short term it may have a strong influence on it
[2017-03-04 10:51:35] Jesus-Christ-Saves : Bitcoin to 4000
[2017-03-04 10:51:46] Ahhere : Jesus-Christ-Saves: u remind me of someone
[2017-03-04 10:52:04] Jesus-Christ-Saves : Interesting.
[2017-03-04 10:52:07] Ahhere : lol
[2017-03-04 10:52:26] Jesus-Christ-Saves : So i get my 450 USD from my steemit accounts i sold in 4 days
[2017-03-04 10:52:31] Jesus-Christ-Saves : going all in 100x like a boss
[2017-03-04 10:53:03] BTCDJS : /ban Jesus-Christ-Saves
[2017-03-04 10:53:22] Ahhere : There you have it guise confirmation either bitcoin goes down at etf or it goes up in 3 days
[2017-03-04 10:53:23] rullwull : is Jesus-Christ-Saves nogano?
[2017-03-04 10:53:32] Ahhere : thats who he reminds me of^\
[2017-03-04 10:53:43] Ahhere : uncanny
[2017-03-04 10:54:03] Jesus-Christ-Saves : This little light of mine.. I'm gonna let it shine..
[2017-03-04 10:54:25] Ahhere : so every message you type is technically blasphemy^
[2017-03-04 10:54:34] BTCDJS : he can't be noganoo. Noganoo is a parasite that leeches on to this exchange to drain the light from peoples lives
[2017-03-04 10:55:11] Jesus-Christ-Saves : Jesus died on Calvary and gave up his precious blood as a sacrifice for us
[2017-03-04 10:55:23] Jesus-Christ-Saves : So that we may gain eternal life in Heaven with the Creator YAHWEH
[2017-03-04 10:55:34] Jesus-Christ-Saves : His name is written on our faces
[2017-03-04 10:55:36] Jesus-Christ-Saves : Y
[2017-03-04 10:55:36] Jesus-Christ-Saves : A
[2017-03-04 10:55:37] Jesus-Christ-Saves : H
[2017-03-04 10:55:46] MikeHunt : rullwull: a drop to $500 would just put us in a huge ascending triangle
[2017-03-04 10:55:51] Ahhere : Jesus could be the original fake news http://www.alternet.org/belief/5-reasons-suspect-jesus-never-existed
[2017-03-04 10:56:33] Jesus-Christ-Saves : Or maybe the satanic bible is fake news?
[2017-03-04 10:56:51] MikeHunt : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF-CkMpQtlY
[2017-03-04 10:56:59] wurstgelee : someone should wake up bearstamp
[2017-03-04 10:58:06] rullwull : MikeHunt: even if there will be $500 drop it will be a very short one. bitfinex hack was much worth for bitcoin than possible etf rejectiion and look at the price right now
[2017-03-04 10:58:12] Jesus-Christ-Saves : Alphabay has some dirt cheap weed, you guys checked it out yet?
[2017-03-04 10:58:25] Jesus-Christ-Saves : Alphabay is the backbone of cryptocurrency
[2017-03-04 10:58:41] Jesus-Christ-Saves : I remember I used to get banned for mentioning silk road on #bitcoin