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<< >> English 中文 Русский 한국어 日本語 Español Français [2015-11-15 17:51:47] Crypto Wealth : wouldn't be surprised to see another test of $315 [2015-11-15 17:51:53] clashcitybaron : true true [2015-11-15 17:52:30] zanza : guys think BitMex should get rid of the 25 Mar contract (semi-annual) ? [2015-11-15 17:52:51] messiaen8844 : why? [2015-11-15 17:52:58] zanza : pitiful volume [2015-11-15 17:52:58] j8 : can't really settle positions before march [2015-11-15 17:53:01] zanza : gigantic spread [2015-11-15 17:53:18] zanza : spreadis basically 405/550 now [2015-11-15 17:53:36] laisee : 405/430 [2015-11-15 17:53:37] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : zanza: More like 392/550 [2015-11-15 17:53:47] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : laisee: Not for a reasonable number of contracts [2015-11-15 17:53:51] Crypto Wealth : clashcitybaron: also the orderbook can't handle such a big order, closing out at a tight price would be difficult. Just my 2 satoshis :-) [2015-11-15 17:53:59] zanza : true IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb [2015-11-15 17:54:29] j8 : there's no fair way to close the contract early, even though there's not much open interest [2015-11-15 17:54:50] zanza : yeah, i mean hey could just stop listing a 6 month [2015-11-15 17:55:22] zanza : so march would be the last [2015-11-15 17:55:22] messiaen8844 : or you can buy very few contracts in the right time (major spikes or falls) and profit from spread at low cost [2015-11-15 17:56:12] zanza : also the XBU/XLT/ETH lol [2015-11-15 17:56:23] zanza : thats just me though =] [2015-11-15 17:56:31] messiaen8844 : eth needs market makers [2015-11-15 17:57:03] zanza : the 24 hour volume is half a coin on ETH [2015-11-15 17:57:22] zanza : literally 0 on XLT [2015-11-15 17:57:24] j8 : yeah, well i'd be happy to see the `XBT` series dominate the industry first [2015-11-15 17:57:44] messiaen8844 : eth so volatile it's risky to leverage [2015-11-15 18:01:54] zanza : did @BitMEX ever consider registering with the CTFC to be "legit" ? [2015-11-15 18:02:10] habibi : personally i hope we will go back but on the other side would be funny to see 30k order liquidated :p [2015-11-15 18:02:23] habibi : up* i mean not back [2015-11-15 18:02:29] habibi : back to 2330 :p [2015-11-15 18:02:35] habibi : 330* shiet my keybord sucks [2015-11-15 18:02:51] clashcitybaron : what kind of volume was there on the dump? [2015-11-15 18:03:06] messiaen8844 : if you believe in such upside, why not buy 7D then ? [2015-11-15 18:05:13] Crypto Wealth : clashcitybaron: 4827 btc on bitfinex in an hour [2015-11-15 18:06:07] Crypto Wealth : clashcitybaron: 23,000 btc on OKCoin but they wash trade so that numbers probably not accurate [2015-11-15 18:06:22] Crypto Wealth : OKCoin [2015-11-15 18:06:40] clashcitybaron : that's a pretty decent dump [2015-11-15 18:07:07] sleger : Crypto Wealth: my trades are dirty, how do I get to wash them like your woodchipper guy ? [2015-11-15 18:07:26] Crypto Wealth : clashcitybaron: thats funny when I try to type OK Coin it give me the woodchipper lol [2015-11-15 18:07:39] clashcitybaron : hahahaha okcoin [2015-11-15 18:07:45] clashcitybaron : okcoin [2015-11-15 18:07:48] clashcitybaron : hahahahahaha [2015-11-15 18:07:50] Crypto Wealth : hahaha [2015-11-15 18:08:13] habibi : 0kcoin hm works fine for me [2015-11-15 18:08:50] sleger : habibibi: what is zerokcoin ? [2015-11-15 18:08:55] Crypto Wealth : habibi: strange try with capital O K C [2015-11-15 18:09:15] sleger : he replaced O with 0 [2015-11-15 18:09:20] sleger : duh.... [2015-11-15 18:09:21] messiaen8844 : mr. fat fingers @ 2140 very happy now in china [2015-11-15 18:09:22] habibi : :p [2015-11-15 18:09:25] Crypto Wealth : ah [2015-11-15 18:09:27] Crypto Wealth : lol [2015-11-15 18:09:33] Crypto Wealth : crafty [2015-11-15 18:10:00] podizzler3k : i think bitstamp pushing it down atm [2015-11-15 18:10:08] podizzler3k : big sell wall at $324 [2015-11-15 18:10:22] Crypto Wealth : messiaen8844: mr.woodchipper himself [2015-11-15 18:10:32] zanza : https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/CJ4509vWgAE34pW.png [2015-11-15 18:11:30] Crypto Wealth : ya not sure why Bitstamp is still popular, spot markets are boring and leave your trades one sided [2015-11-15 18:12:03] messiaen8844 : mr.china doesn't want it down.. YET [2015-11-15 18:12:13] zanza : Bitstamp is popular for Europe [2015-11-15 18:12:32] Crypto Wealth : messiaen8844: they're fighting gravity [2015-11-15 18:12:45] messiaen8844 : he doesn't want to seem as being leaded by the west [2015-11-15 18:12:58] podizzler3k : haha i made this okcoin landing page a while back to more accurately reflect the user experience http://i.imgur.com/fOFx5Fe.jpg [2015-11-15 18:13:24] Crypto Wealth : podizzler3k: hahahahaha! +1 [2015-11-15 18:14:41] messiaen8844 : what if in a plot ttwist turns out that woodchipper also owns BitMex? and that is the real identify of Wally in https://www.bitmex.com/app/aboutUs [2015-11-15 18:15:20] Crypto Wealth : messiaen8844: the irony is that even the some USD exchanges are in Hong Kong, so still technically China, although different type of jurisdiction [2015-11-15 18:16:52] Crypto Wealth : sleepy Sunday, they sure are taking their sweet time to dump [2015-11-15 18:17:22] messiaen8844 : 2am in china [2015-11-15 18:18:00] Crypto Wealth : messiaen8844: that never stopped me, ;-) [2015-11-15 18:19:14] messiaen8844 : from reddit [2015-11-15 18:19:16] messiaen8844 : "Only if info is about to be released that the terrorists funded themselves with Bitcoin. Speaking of which, here's a crazy idea to ponder: Terrorists could make a lot of money by shorting bitcoin then releasing information that they were funding themselves with bitcoin (even if that wasn't the case)." [2015-11-15 18:19:38] messiaen8844 : as in the Batman movie featuring BANE ;) [2015-11-15 18:20:21] Crypto Wealth : ok is this the dump... [2015-11-15 18:21:51] messiaen8844 : just the bots on the chipper [2015-11-15 18:22:06] zanza : terrorist main goal is to profit off a bitcoin short, ok [2015-11-15 18:22:25] zanza : bots don't sleep also [2015-11-15 18:22:40] habibi : zanza: u cant tell this serious dont u ;p? [2015-11-15 18:28:18] podizzler3k : what if it turns out the terrorists were funding themselves with USD?! the humanity! [2015-11-15 18:44:37] messiaen8844 : mr. 2140 moved to 2070 [2015-11-15 18:47:52] TschavaTschigger : ok I think I have the fastest java implementation for bitmex orderbook websocket ever :D fastutil treemap int --> long, whereas the int defines the level and the long defines the order (price + amount stored in a long with bitshifting :D) [2015-11-15 18:48:20] TschavaTschigger : bottleneckz byebye [2015-11-15 18:49:32] TschavaTschigger : I could actually store everything in one long... level+price+amount... hmmm [2015-11-15 19:03:06] habibi : lets atack 2100? [2015-11-15 19:06:11] podizzler3k : stamp chomping down that sell wall [2015-11-15 19:06:36] podizzler3k : okcoin buy support looking pathetic [2015-11-15 19:19:49] zanza : think its going back to 333? [2015-11-15 19:20:37] messiaen8844 : for now my resistance @ 325 is holding [2015-11-15 19:21:02] clashcitybaron : insider info: it's going to the moon tonight [2015-11-15 19:21:03] messiaen8844 : but I will be quick to switch if scenario changes [2015-11-15 19:21:44] messiaen8844 : hopefully clash, then we all take a ride [2015-11-15 19:23:15] ethexio : Anyone use a YubiKey on BitMex? [2015-11-15 19:23:16] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : TschavaTschigger: That sounds like quite the implementation. I'd expect the latency of your connection to BitMEX to make any sub millisecond improvements in execution time nearly irrelevant though. [2015-11-15 19:24:57] zanza : clashcitybaron: what time ?! [2015-11-15 19:25:18] clashcitybaron : when china wakes up [2015-11-15 19:27:59] zanza : 24H trading backwards today? [2015-11-15 19:31:11] j8 : yep, crappy premiums everywhere. okc futures are all below index [2015-11-15 19:34:17] clashcitybaron : what's the index? [2015-11-15 19:34:36] j8 : the index the futures settle on [2015-11-15 19:34:47] clashcitybaron : riight right [2015-11-15 19:35:26] j8 : the index at okc includes CNY markets so its sometimes hard to compare.. pretty even right now though [2015-11-15 19:44:07] zanza : tradeblock uses china data too [2015-11-15 19:44:52] j8 : no? [2015-11-15 19:45:27] j8 : five BTC/USD markets [2015-11-15 19:46:48] zanza : 0kc? [2015-11-15 19:47:42] j8 : okc.com, the USD market [2015-11-15 19:48:30] zanza : ok [2015-11-15 19:48:58] j8 : okc.com follows china a little bit, but it never had the huge premium that they had [2015-11-15 19:51:23] zanza : probably because most bitcoins are created IN china [2015-11-15 19:51:34] zanza : or maybe not [2015-11-15 19:51:36] zanza : idk lol [2015-11-15 19:52:26] j8 : dunno, they led the rally for one reason or another, and from what i hear it's not easy to arbitrage [2015-11-15 19:56:04] messiaen8844 : cool, fake breakout, now DOWN pl0x [2015-11-15 19:58:53] messiaen8844 : http://theambershow.net/files/bear-suit.jpg [2015-11-15 20:01:56] Murch : Very weak break down from that triangle earlier today + buy support coming in = 340 later today or tomorrow? [2015-11-15 20:03:17] habibi : Murch: hello [2015-11-15 20:03:22] habibi : was missing u a bit [2015-11-15 20:03:27] zanza : are you long Murch? [2015-11-15 20:03:34] Murch : habibi: hey man, didn't see you much yesterday [2015-11-15 20:03:51] Murch : zanza: atm yes, I think I'm also going to be buying the dips as we go along today [2015-11-15 20:04:17] habibi : yea i needed some rest yesterday and took a great sleep at night as well, happy with that. and loved the previous dump actions [2015-11-15 20:04:22] Murch : Or that's the current plan anyway [2015-11-15 20:04:46] Murch : habibi: yeah you really made the best decision there. Chopped myself to shreds these past few days [2015-11-15 20:05:03] messiaen8844 : bloomberg saying bad things about bitcoin means we are getting close to very powerful support... just not yet [2015-11-15 20:07:53] habibi : messiaen8844: can u post link? [2015-11-15 20:08:37] messiaen8844 : in a second [2015-11-15 20:10:06] messiaen8844 : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-12/bitcoin-can-t-escape-the-dark-side-of-the-internet [2015-11-15 20:10:58] Murch : That first paragraph was enough to make me close the article in disgust [2015-11-15 20:11:07] messiaen8844 : china down [2015-11-15 20:11:32] messiaen8844 : who is brave enough to buy the dip ? [2015-11-15 20:13:38] zanza : what dip ? [2015-11-15 20:16:01] Murch : :P [2015-11-15 20:18:35] TschavaTschigger : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: yeah the implementation is useless, the bottlenecks are somewhere else obviously :D but hey, bitshifting is cool [2015-11-15 20:19:48] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : TschavaTschigger: True :) So you're experiencing noticeable bottlenecks? [2015-11-15 20:20:03] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: How goes it? [2015-11-15 20:20:47] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: it's alright. Kinda sucks that I was asleep for that drop lol [2015-11-15 20:20:55] Murch : How about you? [2015-11-15 20:20:57] TschavaTschigger : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: I haven't tested the new orderbook implementation yet. the old one was fine connection-wise, have a low ping and stable isp [2015-11-15 20:21:23] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : TschavaTschigger: Cool. Hope it works well! [2015-11-15 20:23:40] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: I'm feeling pretty bullish after that weak break down though. What are you thinking about the price action? [2015-11-15 20:23:43] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Anyone else seeing this orderbook widget glitch? http://i.cubeupload.com/LoYCFH.png [2015-11-15 20:24:19] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: That's what I was feeling but there also wasn't that strong of a bounce. I've just been getting chopped up so I'm out for now. Will reevaluate later [2015-11-15 20:24:45] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Good call on your short before the drop though. I hope it paid off well [2015-11-15 20:25:12] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: That makes sense. You are right about the weak bounce but I'm sort of thinking the rise right now is due to accumulation. [2015-11-15 20:25:21] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: Thanks man, unfortunately lost a lot regardless [2015-11-15 20:25:33] Murch : I'm starting back from square 1 [2015-11-15 20:25:42] Murch : square -1 rather :P [2015-11-15 20:26:03] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Sorry to hear that. Best of luck building profits again [2015-11-15 20:26:36] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: No worries, all part of the game. Thanks dude, I'll be trying as long as I have a balance (which might not be for long incidentally) [2015-11-15 20:27:07] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Well you have the right attitude about it so that's a good start [2015-11-15 20:27:41] Murch : :) [2015-11-15 20:28:00] zanza : i lost a lot the past few weeks, got a very lucky trade shorting @ 510 [2015-11-15 20:28:03] zanza : made part of it back [2015-11-15 20:28:47] zanza : 24H negative again [2015-11-15 20:30:31] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : This sort of got buried. Anyone else see the orderbook glitching like this? http://i.cubeupload.com/LoYCFH.png [2015-11-15 20:30:44] Murch : Thinking we're heading to somewhere between 2080 and 2100 the consolidate one last time before pushing 2100 [2015-11-15 20:31:27] Murch : Sorry, what's glitching? [2015-11-15 20:31:55] habibi : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: yea same here but i thought its coz of my explorer - Vivaldi :p [2015-11-15 20:32:09] habibi : but its miliseconds ;p how did u catch it [2015-11-15 20:32:13] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : See how there are 6 asks and 4 bids displayed? Should be 5 and 5 all the time and every once in a while when it updates it glitches for a split second [2015-11-15 20:32:23] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : habibi: Oh ok glad it's not only me [2015-11-15 20:32:28] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: ohhh okay. [2015-11-15 20:32:35] Murch : Must be lag of some sort I suppose [2015-11-15 20:33:48] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : habibi: Why do you think I'm a good scalper? ;) Just waited for it and took a screenshot quickly right when I saw it happen [2015-11-15 20:34:38] Murch : the reflexes are real ;) [2015-11-15 20:36:39] podizzler3k : wheres the opportunities at? [2015-11-15 20:36:46] podizzler3k : cant find any in ETH, LTC, BTC [2015-11-15 20:36:53] podizzler3k : XRP? meh [2015-11-15 20:37:11] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : podizzler3k: Yeah I'm at a bit of a loss right now too. Can't trade when there's no trend [2015-11-15 20:37:31] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Only looking at BTC though [2015-11-15 20:38:26] habibi : okc futures going slowly up so we does here? [2015-11-15 20:39:56] zanza : okc is still backwards [2015-11-15 20:41:54] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Really need to get a market maker bot running so it can do the sideways trading for me [2015-11-15 20:42:10] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : That's when it would do best I'd imagive [2015-11-15 20:42:13] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : *imagine [2015-11-15 20:42:21] zanza : i think BitMEX should guild in some MM features [2015-11-15 20:42:26] zanza : build in* [2015-11-15 20:42:28] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: Yeah I really need to try doing that too [2015-11-15 20:42:39] TschavaTschigger : I should really start writing a bot for bitfinex, got 14 ms ping there [2015-11-15 20:42:57] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : TschavaTschigger: Too much competition there though maybe [2015-11-15 20:43:23] TschavaTschigger : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: yeah, but italians can't code.. they are too chaotic [2015-11-15 20:43:28] TschavaTschigger : (server is in italy) [2015-11-15 20:43:59] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : TschavaTschigger: Haha I'm sure there are plenty of Otalians that can code well [2015-11-15 20:44:01] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : *Italians [2015-11-15 20:44:08] TschavaTschigger : :P [2015-11-15 20:44:53] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Market making is perfect in an almost flat market like this though. You can be the one making money from the people getting chopped up [2015-11-15 20:45:56] messiaen8844 : woodchopped up [2015-11-15 20:47:43] messiaen8844 : more weird stamp action [2015-11-15 20:49:59] messiaen8844 : another one [2015-11-15 20:49:59] messiaen8844 : http://www.networkworld.com/article/3005308/security/hacktivists-claim-isis-terrorists-linked-to-paris-attacks-had-bitcoin-funding.html [2015-11-15 20:50:51] messiaen8844 : spreading the FUD citing the ridiculous NewsBTC source [2015-11-15 20:51:25] messiaen8844 : here in Brazil we have some major media outlets that do this all the time: plant fake news and then starting citing each other to give it credibility [2015-11-15 20:51:30] Murch : I don't feel bullish about this bounce but I do feel bullish about only a $20 drop after a week of consolidation. Hmmmm [2015-11-15 20:53:21] messiaen8844 : I'm still bearish until we see major evidence of the bounce, but I am counting on it to happen around those days... best scenario we have panic sell (could be linked to this kind of FUD news) followed by massive up [2015-11-15 20:53:38] messiaen8844 : would be trader dream [2015-11-15 20:55:35] TschavaTschigger : since I got banned from facebook for fake name, bitmex trollbox is my favourite social network... sounds a bit sad somehow [2015-11-15 20:55:47] Murch : messiaen8844: yeah that would be cool [2015-11-15 20:55:49] habibi : TschavaTschigger: nah, its good! [2015-11-15 20:56:46] Murch : TschavaTschigger: this is your new family now [2015-11-15 20:56:49] messiaen8844 : someone reported you? [2015-11-15 20:56:59] messiaen8844 : our Bitcoin Brazil facebook group is entirely made of fakes I think [2015-11-15 20:57:00] Murch : *closes and locks door* [2015-11-15 20:58:30] messiaen8844 : lol @ bitstamp 5 min [2015-11-15 20:58:49] messiaen8844 : they make bully candles, then 1 sec it becomes bearish, then it reverses, BS bot there [2015-11-15 21:01:12] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : "best scenario we have panic sell" Really lowered our expectations in here, hmm? [2015-11-15 21:01:22] podizzler3k : dafuq is going on at bitstamp [2015-11-15 21:01:37] podizzler3k : big volume and no price move [2015-11-15 21:02:06] habibi : just self maker [2015-11-15 21:03:33] Murch : I'm still long all the way :D [2015-11-15 21:04:01] podizzler3k : still long? wow [2015-11-15 21:04:10] podizzler3k : even futures weekly is short now [2015-11-15 21:05:36] habibi : Murch: where u started? [2015-11-15 21:06:05] Murch : habibi: entry at 321.73 atm [2015-11-15 21:06:33] habibi : good for you! hope close will be aoround 328 [2015-11-15 21:06:54] Murch : thanks :D That would definitely be nice [2015-11-15 21:22:58] gustavo7 : kind of an upward channel here, not just a flag [2015-11-15 21:27:24] Murch : Does anyone think that the big break out of the consolidation that was supposed to happen after yesterday has actually taken place yet? [2015-11-15 21:27:37] Murch : We sorta just went right back into consolidation as far as I can see. [2015-11-15 21:31:11] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Yeah it was an incredibly weak breakout. Hard to tell [2015-11-15 21:32:35] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: No breakout of the 6 hour bands yet but 1-4 definitely broke down [2015-11-15 21:33:28] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : What's with this 1 order bot? [2015-11-15 21:33:37] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Can't see anything [2015-11-15 21:33:53] Swedishnut : its like everything is stagnant after the whole Paris thing. [2015-11-15 21:35:00] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: The longer term candles make it look like this is a dip that's getting bought. [2015-11-15 21:35:13] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Yep I agree [2015-11-15 21:35:31] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Swedishnut: I would be surprised if that had anything to do with it. Probably just because of the weekend [2015-11-15 21:36:06] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: +1 it's always like this on the weekend [2015-11-15 21:36:58] TschavaTschigger : hey guys, does anyone of you use okcoin websocket? I specifically mean the .cn domain. Keeps disconnecting at random times. [2015-11-15 21:37:46] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : TschavaTschigger: I haven't used it but I'm not surprised. Cryptowat.ch loses connection sometimes as well. I think it's a Great Firewall of China issue [2015-11-15 21:37:59] Murch : lmao [2015-11-15 21:38:02] Swedishnut : yeah true weekend does slow things down. Idk maybe it is just an off day for me here. [2015-11-15 21:38:02] justinlooking : TschavaTschigger: yeh, i ended up having to run over a tunnel via vps in hk [2015-11-15 21:38:51] TschavaTschigger : justinlooking: nice. could you tell me which provider? and are you satisfied? [2015-11-15 21:39:31] justinlooking : TschavaTschigger: Rackspace ftw [2015-11-15 21:41:11] justinlooking : seems Amazon has beijing region for ec2 too [2015-11-15 21:41:50] messiaen8844 : hard sell at stamp? [2015-11-15 21:41:56] messiaen8844 : nah, just tricks again [2015-11-15 21:42:28] messiaen8844 : they are doing wash trades now in stamp too it seems [2015-11-15 21:53:02] gustavo7 : channel ends here dump [2015-11-15 21:53:09] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Damn [2015-11-15 21:56:00] messiaen8844 : might get ugly , or just be fakeout, pleace you bets gentlemen ) [2015-11-15 21:56:15] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : messiaen8844: Not a clue [2015-11-15 21:56:34] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : messiaen8844: Hoping for fakeout though [2015-11-15 21:56:41] messiaen8844 : hourly volume on stamp fake [2015-11-15 21:58:05] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : messiaen8844: Sure seems like it [2015-11-15 21:58:55] messiaen8844 : down [2015-11-15 22:00:00] messiaen8844 : some support at 2050, if it breaks goodbye [2015-11-15 22:00:08] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : messiaen8844: Agreed [2015-11-15 22:01:16] Murch : Whoopsie [2015-11-15 22:01:18] Murch : Had to get out [2015-11-15 22:01:42] habibi : okc try hard [2015-11-15 22:01:42] habibi : to keep [2015-11-15 22:01:46] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Yeah I'm stuck in a bad long. Thinking it may turn around if this support holds though [2015-11-15 22:03:01] Swedishnut : sweet finally Lawnmower works with my little bank :) [2015-11-15 22:03:43] gustavo7 : whats lawnmower now? [2015-11-15 22:03:58] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: :( I really hope so man [2015-11-15 22:04:26] justinlooking : still US only it seems [2015-11-15 22:04:27] messiaen8844 : looking really crappy [2015-11-15 22:04:33] Swedishnut : takes the .xx at the end of your reciepts you swipe with bank cards adds it to 5$ and once at that threshold buys Bitcoin and sends it to your "Savings" [2015-11-15 22:05:08] Swedishnut : it will easily add 10$ a week if not more just in my average use of my cards [2015-11-15 22:05:30] messiaen8844 : doom now [2015-11-15 22:05:52] messiaen8844 : back to 315 [2015-11-15 22:05:52] gustavo7 : lol just looked at stamp nice volume [2015-11-15 22:06:00] messiaen8844 : stamp is the next okc lol [2015-11-15 22:06:52] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : OKC bouncing [2015-11-15 22:07:30] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : `XBT24H` not bouncing [2015-11-15 22:08:53] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : That seemed like a lot of work for the bears and OKCoin didn't go down a full percent [2015-11-15 22:09:32] gustavo7 : china doesn't give up easily [2015-11-15 22:09:42] floopfloop : lies [2015-11-15 22:09:45] Swedishnut : China is like Chia pet [2015-11-15 22:13:35] floopfloop : charts indicate big sell off [2015-11-15 22:13:36] messiaen8844 : time to lower positions on either side [2015-11-15 22:13:37] floopfloop : we might see 2000 cny [2015-11-15 22:17:46] floopfloop : wow http://www.cc.com/full-episodes/9evw1d/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-november-10--2015---dan-price-season-21-ep-21022 [2015-11-15 22:18:25] messiaen8844 : in the ned, except for faked stamp, all weak candles [2015-11-15 22:18:41] messiaen8844 : took partial profits on my short, small position now [2015-11-15 22:21:03] Swedishnut : this has been red day here. Just watching now [2015-11-15 22:23:19] Murch : shorting :/ [2015-11-15 22:23:33] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: you still long? [2015-11-15 22:23:47] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Liquidated :( [2015-11-15 22:23:56] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: fuuuck man I'm sorry [2015-11-15 22:23:59] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Too stubborn and messed up my own rules [2015-11-15 22:24:06] habibi : but it was isolated right? [2015-11-15 22:24:15] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: It's ok. Still nothing lost. It was profits I was playing with [2015-11-15 22:24:22] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : habibi: Nope, cross [2015-11-15 22:24:42] Murch : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: right right. I guess you can always give it another go when you're feeling it [2015-11-15 22:24:49] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Yep [2015-11-15 22:25:07] Murch : Getting liquidated is just the worst though [2015-11-15 22:25:14] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Probably not today though [2015-11-15 22:25:45] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Yeah it sucks and I'd been fine if I had been willing to admit I was wrong. Fighting the market is always a bad plan [2015-11-15 22:27:25] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : I'll be back later maybe. Bye for now and good luck! [2015-11-15 22:27:29] SnackyCoins : I was winning trades my first month trading, took 8 more months to stop giving the wins back 8) [2015-11-15 22:27:39] Murch : Alright man, keep your head up and take it easy [2015-11-15 22:28:00] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: Thanks man. It is what it is. I won't beat myself up [2015-11-15 22:28:13] SnackyCoins : hope to see you back bitcoin brotha :) [2015-11-15 22:28:23] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : SnackyCoins: Haha that's the way it goes. I'll be back, not giving up [2015-11-15 22:28:46] Murch : Hopefully I'll still be here when you get back hahah [2015-11-15 22:28:56] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Hahaha I hope so [2015-11-15 22:29:17] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Later guys [2015-11-15 22:30:12] Murch : Later dude [2015-11-15 22:30:26] habibi : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: see u [2015-11-15 22:30:59] Murch : This is one messy as fuck drop [2015-11-15 22:32:30] Murch : Guess I'm just betting on the double bottom [2015-11-15 22:32:53] messiaen8844 : thought it would be stronger, I have a smallish long now [2015-11-15 22:33:02] messiaen8844 : buying the weekly [2015-11-15 22:35:39] messiaen8844 : yep, seems like bottom, up up up up up [2015-11-15 22:40:34] messiaen8844 : the classic TWIN TOWERS [2015-11-15 22:41:20] Swedishnut : meaning it is going down? [2015-11-15 22:42:12] messiaen8844 : no, reversa [2015-11-15 22:42:45] messiaen8844 : twin towers =great day trading pattern [2015-11-15 22:43:10] Swedishnut : ahh yeah I need to become more educated with the "Signs" [2015-11-15 22:43:56] messiaen8844 : but gotta wait a few mins before it closes [2015-11-15 22:44:18] messiaen8844 : it signals some strong movemment failed, in the case of breakouts, failed breakouts = strong movement in the opposite direction [2015-11-15 22:44:36] messiaen8844 : still early to tell [2015-11-15 22:45:29] Swedishnut : makes sense. Yeah I agree. I would love to see a "Virgin" spend tally for daily buy volume. I think that would be a sweet key metric. [2015-11-15 22:45:30] messiaen8844 : well, im out, position made, stops set, better not even to look it and let it play by itself lol, if it liquidates I'm cool [2015-11-15 22:49:39] Swedishnut : flurrr..... destroyed.... Yup out for the day not my day [2015-11-15 22:49:39] Murch : Good luck man [2015-11-15 22:49:57] Murch : Swedishnut: I'm sorry :( [2015-11-15 22:50:24] Swedishnut : it happens I'm learning I guess. I never put in more than I can stomach losing [2015-11-15 22:50:44] Swedishnut : and never the money I need to feed the stomach :P [2015-11-15 22:51:39] Swedishnut : Will have to send some of my coin from Hashnest before bed [2015-11-15 22:52:07] Murch : That's the right way to go about it [2015-11-15 22:54:13] Swedishnut : Yeah my cycle is to mine (hobby 1.2 ths), invest in mining (hashnest), Created my own "hedge fund" through NXT which send weekly dividends (in NXT) , Hodl a few million random alts too. So when they go nutz I sell some occassionally [2015-11-15 22:55:28] Murch : Very diversified [2015-11-15 22:56:46] cataquil : I like trading the GHS market at hashnest [2015-11-15 22:57:15] cataquil : you get a dividend yeild several times a day, and if you can time it right sell the asset at a good price [2015-11-15 22:57:16] Swedishnut : Yeah GHS is where I made a ton from CEX.IO during Febuary [2015-11-15 22:57:29] cataquil : is cex.io still trading [2015-11-15 22:57:51] cataquil : hashnest market is more developed it seems due to lower maintanence cost [2015-11-15 22:58:03] cataquil : I bought some S5 GHS [2015-11-15 22:58:11] Swedishnut : yes but they are Cryptsy kind of exchange now in my opinion. Shady, low volume, trolls, bad trade caps [2015-11-15 22:58:26] cataquil : it is still profitable, except for an occasional delayed block found [2015-11-15 22:59:39] cataquil : so did you buy an s7 box? [2015-11-15 22:59:45] Swedishnut : cataquil: true :) and I like that as btc sticks above 300$ mining is sexy [2015-11-15 22:59:58] amirmass : who is dumb to put higher price than bitfinex [2015-11-15 23:00:00] cataquil : first price was $1950 or so then $2200 [2015-11-15 23:00:07] Swedishnut : cataquil: no I did not, Just didn't have the coin available when they went for sale [2015-11-15 23:00:51] cataquil : s7 ghs spiked down when the machines were offered [2015-11-15 23:01:05] kendang : is the hashnest market more liquid than XBT24H? [2015-11-15 23:02:07] SnackyCoins : amirmass: http://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/contango_backwardation.asp [2015-11-15 23:02:49] SnackyCoins : remember these are forward contracts so the price is "guessing" what the price will be at time of expiration [2015-11-15 23:03:04] SnackyCoins : bitfinex price is a spot market which is "right now price" [2015-11-15 23:03:20] SnackyCoins : where as 7d is the price for next coming friday [2015-11-15 23:13:37] kendang : can anyone recommend a good mining pool for scrypt? [2015-11-15 23:13:52] kendang : used infernopool in the past, but there must be something better [2015-11-15 23:17:17] aspa : Prohashing; excellent operators [2015-11-15 23:17:33] kendang : aspa: thanks [2015-11-15 23:17:50] aspa : Always welcome [2015-11-15 23:25:43] habibi : wtf :p finex dump 20 coins [2015-11-15 23:25:50] habibi : or 10 and we moved so much here ;P [2015-11-15 23:26:23] Murch : welp, until I can deposit from the US I guess I'm out [2015-11-15 23:26:38] Murch : Cya guys [2015-11-15 23:26:46] habibi : Murch: :(? what happened? [2015-11-15 23:26:49] zanza : cya murch [2015-11-15 23:26:53] Murch : lost the last bit on here [2015-11-15 23:27:02] zanza : :/ [2015-11-15 23:27:07] habibi : why u cant deposit from us? i mean just normal bitcoin tx [2015-11-15 23:27:22] Murch : I actually needed to run out since I've just been sitting here watching the price for too long [2015-11-15 23:27:22] zanza : CFTC [2015-11-15 23:27:37] Murch : Can't service US people [2015-11-15 23:27:39] zanza : regulations, I think BitMEX should apply for legit status [2015-11-15 23:27:50] zanza : they would get a ton of business [2015-11-15 23:27:52] Murch : Yep, I think they will eventually but until then [2015-11-15 23:28:02] habibi : Murch: so how u do it before? [2015-11-15 23:28:16] Murch : habibi: it used to be fine. I've been here since months back [2015-11-15 23:28:32] zanza : it just changed in Septmeber [2015-11-15 23:28:39] zanza : CFTC "cracked down" [2015-11-15 23:30:18] Murch : I actually don't feel as bad as I thought I would lol. Anyways, gl and mad gains guys [2015-11-15 23:30:48] habibi : see u, come back sometimes here on chat [2015-11-15 23:31:03] Murch : habibi: For sure for sure :) [2015-11-15 23:36:56] zanza : keep your chin up kid [2015-11-15 23:37:06] kendang : stiff upper lip and all that [2015-11-15 23:44:00] Swedishnut : charts to me make me think of pancakes being flipped [2015-11-15 23:44:27] Swedishnut : wow thx brain... *Charts are making me think of pancakes as they flip flop [2015-11-15 23:46:36] zanza : :o [2015-11-15 23:46:46] podizzler3k : hey peeps [2015-11-15 23:46:51] zanza : maybe you should get some food :) [2015-11-15 23:48:23] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Murch: I read that some people had success using a VPN that gives you a European IP here. You might try that. It should work fine, you just risk having your account closed [2015-11-15 23:48:49] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : How's it going everybody? [2015-11-15 23:49:01] zanza : you shouldn't say that on chat IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb [2015-11-15 23:49:05] kendang : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: fine here. and you? [2015-11-15 23:49:14] j8 : pretty good day. [2015-11-15 23:49:15] Swedishnut : red day here. In observer mode [2015-11-15 23:49:44] zanza : i dont know if we will return to 333 [2015-11-15 23:50:15] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Still feeling real dumb for my liquidation earlier. I should know better. 90% of trading is following your damn rules and I ignored them. Got what I deserve I guess. Anyway I'm back now [2015-11-15 23:51:56] j8 : dang, well it happens. just gotta keep at it. or observe like Swedishnut [2015-11-15 23:52:57] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : j8: Yeah it was only profit I was trading with, none of my cold storage so I'm fine, just a bummer. I'm making myself write down a trading rules checklist before I continue just for my own sake [2015-11-15 23:54:31] Swedishnut : I need something like that for myself too Addy Man. I tend to get too risky. 3-5k contracts are too much I think [2015-11-15 23:55:24] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Swedishnut: Yeah, I don't mind using 4k when I have a good plan but I went to 13k before I got liquidated and I'm not proud of it. That was the main reason I failed [2015-11-15 23:56:04] j8 : all depends how much you're backing it with. i always lose when i'm overleveraged [2015-11-15 23:56:07] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : I'm capping myself at 4k with a starting size of 1k and a rule to never go over 2k unless I'm in profit [2015-11-15 23:56:19] Swedishnut : or I might be thinking of it wrong too I feel like a toddler most days still. Yeah my biggest idiot move was holding onto 14k 24 hour contracts the day after peak 575 [2015-11-15 23:56:34] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Swedishnut: Ouch! That must have hurt [2015-11-15 23:56:40] Swedishnut : easiest way to burn 5.4 btc in 30 sec. [2015-11-15 23:56:58] j8 : ouch. yeah that day was unreal [2015-11-15 23:57:09] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Swedishnut: Damn, that's awful. I don't know what I'd do if I lost that much. I plan to never have that much in my account [2015-11-15 23:57:37] Swedishnut : yeah it was :)can't wait for the next one, I was sick for 2 days and didn't trade [2015-11-15 23:58:02] j8 : i lost about that much once on okc. while i was on the toilet [2015-11-15 23:58:06] Swedishnut : but slowly building again. [2015-11-15 23:58:26] Swedishnut : j8: ouch that is a serious dump [2015-11-15 23:58:41] j8 : ironically it was a pump and i was short [2015-11-15 23:58:55] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : j8: Agreed. Being over-leveraged is almost a sure way to lose. I'm capping myself at 10x there [2015-11-15 23:59:15] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : j8: He didn't mean the market. You were on the toilet, yes? :p [2015-11-15 23:59:17] j8 : yeah that's a good call. [2015-11-15 23:59:26] Swedishnut : yeah 100x is sure fire coin burning for me [2015-11-16 00:00:09] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Swedishnut: Yeah it's just all around a bad idea. The "noise" is enough to wipe you out almost immediately, even in strong trends [2015-11-16 00:00:55] Swedishnut : yeah 100x with 1000+ contracts and no isolated margin is like buying a lotto ticket [2015-11-16 00:01:05] zanza : :) [2015-11-16 00:01:26] zanza : a lot of people made a lot of money last weeks [2015-11-16 00:01:30] zanza : from 230 -> 500 [2015-11-16 00:01:49] j8 : not to mention 550 -> 380 in one day [2015-11-16 00:02:12] Swedishnut : true. I should have been among the group but I gifted my profit back due to lack of experience/education [2015-11-16 00:02:19] zanza : i lost a lot, made back part of it from 500-380 [2015-11-16 00:04:18] j8 : i was always shorting the daily during that rally, that day was nerve racking but you just know the payoff is coming [2015-11-16 00:05:37] TschavaTschigger : Swedishnut: I once burnt 1 btc in 0.0001 sec [2015-11-16 00:06:00] TschavaTschigger : Swedishnut: my bot did market order + cross margin + almost empty orderbook [2015-11-16 00:06:06] zanza : it looks like US is trying to dump, but China doesn't want to [2015-11-16 00:06:17] Swedishnut : feels like you gave it to the Satoshi Cloud of hopes and dreams doesn't it [2015-11-16 00:06:27] zanza : Swedishnut: lol [2015-11-16 00:07:29] TschavaTschigger : yeah :D best thing is that I had one order in the orderbook that acted like a buffer and caught my ordersize... if that order hadn't been there, I would have bought the trollorders for 800 bucks... = 15 btc gone [2015-11-16 00:07:53] TschavaTschigger : god bless that guy that put the order up there [2015-11-16 00:08:56] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Those aren't troll orders. They're TschavaTschigger orders :) [2015-11-16 00:09:36] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Or maybe TschavaTschigger's bot [2015-11-16 00:09:39] TschavaTschigger : I was always wondering why people put those trollsorders into the books... this was the day I found out [2015-11-16 00:14:49] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Anyone interested in the list of 5 trading rules I'm holding myself to? [2015-11-16 00:15:02] j8 : yes [2015-11-16 00:15:06] habibi : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: yea u can grab them here [2015-11-16 00:15:10] abc123 : yep [2015-11-16 00:18:53] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : http://pastebin.com/RwHTKUVU [2015-11-16 00:18:59] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Had to type them up [2015-11-16 00:21:02] abc123 : cool thx [2015-11-16 00:21:36] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Happy to share. Anything you guys would add? [2015-11-16 00:21:49] j8 : i have a rule that you guys aren't gonna like. [2015-11-16 00:22:04] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : j8: Probably means it's smart haha. What is it? [2015-11-16 00:22:11] j8 : no margin longs [2015-11-16 00:22:23] zanza : :) [2015-11-16 00:22:25] j8 : i break it sometimes. [2015-11-16 00:22:36] j8 : but the idea is, i'm already hodling too much btc [2015-11-16 00:22:36] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : j8: How does that work? [2015-11-16 00:22:44] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : j8: Ohh I see. [2015-11-16 00:22:45] j8 : if anything i need to hedge part [2015-11-16 00:23:06] j8 : i'm making usd when it's going up anyway [2015-11-16 00:23:07] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : I guess that makes sense. I don't like it though, and I am holding too much BTC already haha [2015-11-16 00:23:20] j8 : so i really need to make btc when it's going down [2015-11-16 00:23:47] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : j8: That makes perfect sense, just not something I can hold myself too [2015-11-16 00:24:09] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : * to [2015-11-16 00:24:38] j8 : it's takes the strictest of discipline. but i've made way more since my strategies are more price-neutral [2015-11-16 00:25:35] j8 : my net position is usually somewhere between flat and fully hedged [2015-11-16 00:26:15] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : j8: How do you hedge on here and make it linear in terms of USD? XBU isn't very liquid [2015-11-16 00:27:01] j8 : i don't, i sell XBT for a sweet premium. [2015-11-16 00:28:00] j8 : or sell on okc. but, it can be pretty unpredictable over there [2015-11-16 00:28:06] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : j8: Taking advantage of the premiums on `XBTZ15` and `XBTH16` for example? [2015-11-16 00:29:33] j8 : yeah, now the daily and weekly are cheap in comparison. [2015-11-16 00:31:24] j8 : it's just a question of if it'll stay that way... if the daily premium is high the next few days and i need to buy it, then i'm losing [2015-11-16 00:31:46] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : j8: I see [2015-11-16 00:32:02] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Thanks for explaining :) [2015-11-16 00:32:44] j8 : no problem. just been figuring this stuff out the last couple months. watching the rally unfold was really educational [2015-11-16 00:33:12] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : j8: I bet. I wish I had been here for that. Although for the sake of my cold storage it's probably good I wasn't [2015-11-16 00:33:49] j8 : it's the reason i even have cold storage now. [2015-11-16 00:34:04] podizzler3000 : big sell wall 2050 [2015-11-16 00:34:16] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : podizzler3000: Noticed that. Fun :p [2015-11-16 00:34:34] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : j8: Good to hear. I'm still working on holding on to my profit here but I think I'll get there [2015-11-16 00:35:34] habibi : lol people ere panicking much :D [2015-11-16 00:35:46] habibi : ok on every futures the same [2015-11-16 00:37:03] habibi : that means china woke up [2015-11-16 00:37:11] habibi : and has finger on the trigger [2015-11-16 00:37:41] Swedishnut : Pew Pew China! Let me watch and learn. [2015-11-16 00:57:18] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Swedishnut: What are you learning? [2015-11-16 01:01:19] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Damnit. Fat fingered :( [2015-11-16 01:01:23] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Not my day [2015-11-16 01:01:36] Swedishnut : just recording the transactions and emotions [2015-11-16 01:04:26] habibi : i need to learn one most important thing here, dont try to fight with china 10 cny swing bots [2015-11-16 01:04:31] habibi : or play with them :p [2015-11-16 01:06:50] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : habibi: Yeah it's tough [2015-11-16 01:44:15] zanza : i think i broke someones bot [2015-11-16 01:44:21] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Would you like some consolidation with your consolidation? [2015-11-16 01:44:27] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : zanza: What did you do? :p [2015-11-16 01:44:47] zanza : someone has bot that tries to be top of the order book [2015-11-16 01:44:55] zanza : so it kept following me [2015-11-16 01:45:00] zanza : so I put up a 100 order [2015-11-16 01:45:04] zanza : and its confused [2015-11-16 01:45:26] zanza : that you ?! [2015-11-16 01:46:39] zanza : each time it increments down 1 penny [2015-11-16 01:48:54] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : zanza: I have done that before to be on top of the orderbook, but that's not me. What do you mean by the 100 order? [2015-11-16 01:49:11] zanza : look on `XBT7D` now [2015-11-16 01:49:27] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : I see the 100 order [2015-11-16 01:49:36] zanza : ok, so it ignores my "small order" [2015-11-16 01:49:50] zanza : ok, we have a new player [2015-11-16 01:49:54] zanza : can't show you [2015-11-16 01:50:05] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : zanza: Ok, well thanks for trying [2015-11-16 01:52:20] zanza : wow, some crazy action on the 7D [2015-11-16 02:02:55] floopfloop : I called out 2000 CnY couple of hours ago lol [2015-11-16 02:03:55] zanza : is this a finex sell ? [2015-11-16 02:04:05] habibi : nope [2015-11-16 02:04:06] habibi : everyone [2015-11-16 02:04:13] habibi : but china bfights a bit [2015-11-16 02:07:03] abc123 : 315 is looking like good support for today anyway lol [2015-11-16 02:07:35] zanza : i think this push is not China [2015-11-16 02:07:37] zanza : look at charts [2015-11-16 02:07:41] habibi : for china yes [2015-11-16 02:07:51] habibi : for finex is like one sell off [2015-11-16 02:25:17] podizzler3k : switching to long