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<< >> English 中文 Русский 한국어 日本語 Español Français [2017-03-01 05:31:35] odieoh : /best of rekt [2017-03-01 05:32:19] javierstone : good sign that gemini and gdax are leading [2017-03-01 05:32:35] Farzad : /wall [2017-03-01 05:32:38] trollbot : ``` ±$30 Ask|Bid liquidity of 4 exchanges: 6463 Ƀ (2.57%) | 4065 Ƀ (1.88%) SLQ: 28 minutes, 15 seconds``` [2017-03-01 05:32:48] Farzad : javierstone: doesnt mean anything [2017-03-01 05:33:28] Farzad : /price [2017-03-01 05:33:31] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1192.88 (0.06%) Bitfinex : 1190.80 (0.00%) The Woodchipper : 1189.06 (0.27%) itBit : 1193.52 (0.25%) Kraken : 1188.79 (0.36%) GDAX : 1200.04 (0.29%) SLQ : 3 hours, 58 minutes, 58 seconds``` [2017-03-01 05:33:49] micmix : Farzad: can you swap ask and bid walls? it's common to show bid first followed by ask [2017-03-01 05:33:53] Farzad : bots will arbitrage the hell out of them [2017-03-01 05:34:34] javierstone : u don't mean anything [2017-03-01 05:34:44] ayy_lmao : SHOTS [2017-03-01 05:34:44] ayy_lmao : FIRED [2017-03-01 05:34:45] Farzad : micmix: you are right, but I wanted to show higher wall first and then lower wall [2017-03-01 05:35:04] Farzad : It is not about price [2017-03-01 05:35:16] Farzad : it is about the higher and lower wall [2017-03-01 05:35:17] ayy_lmao : what does slq stand for [2017-03-01 05:35:41] ayy_lmao : last query? [2017-03-01 05:35:41] micmix : Farzad: do you mean that sometimes you show ask then bid, and sometimes bid then ask? that's super confusing lol [2017-03-01 05:35:43] Farzad : Since Last Query [2017-03-01 05:36:06] ayy_lmao : the seconds parts adds an extra line [2017-03-01 05:36:14] Farzad : micmix: no, it is always like this :D [2017-03-01 05:36:16] ayy_lmao : maybe just <1m if it has been seconds? [2017-03-01 05:36:38] Farzad : by higher wall I meant the wall above current price [2017-03-01 05:36:44] ayy_lmao : or seconds arent really needed over an hour [2017-03-01 05:36:52] ayy_lmao : just my opinion ;) [2017-03-01 05:37:15] Farzad : ayy_lmao: Thanks :) too precise right now ! [2017-03-01 05:37:56] Farzad : I preferred them to be in 2 separate lines. but I was asked to compress it. [2017-03-01 05:38:15] rapidtrades : hello [2017-03-01 05:38:17] micmix : Farzad: not sure I see the logic in showing ask first, against common convention. bid wall is more important for pumping anyway [2017-03-01 05:38:19] rapidtrades : good morning [2017-03-01 05:38:50] micmix : rapidtrades: hallo [2017-03-01 05:40:11] Farzad : micmix: before I compress it to one line, It was showing ask on first line and bid on second. because ask wall is above current price and bid below. It made more sense visually. do u get it ? [2017-03-01 05:40:19] Farzad : rapidtrades: gm [2017-03-01 05:41:01] micmix : Farzad: I guess it makes sense for vertical layout [2017-03-01 05:41:48] Farzad : micmix: exactly. [2017-03-01 05:42:13] micmix : doesn't really matter anyway [2017-03-01 05:42:56] Farzad : :) [2017-03-01 05:44:46] micmix : you can show $ amount for the wall in addition to :bitcoin:, will show how much money need to be invested in bitcoin to bring the price up [2017-03-01 05:47:08] ersagun : Hello guys. As a totally newbie question; buying XBTUSD protects the capital relative to USD but I also get/pay interest (get mostly), right? Where do I see the interest +- value? It's not PNL [2017-03-01 05:47:21] Farzad : micmix: very good idea ! will implement it. [2017-03-01 05:47:55] Farzad : ersagun: Funding rate, on left bar [2017-03-01 05:48:15] micmix : ersagun: no, you have to sell (short) XBTUSD to hedge your BTC, not buy [2017-03-01 05:48:25] Farzad : micmix: +1 [2017-03-01 05:49:05] ersagun : Yes I shorted it, wrongly written :-) But that funding rate only shows the next funding period, I mean the total value since opening the position [2017-03-01 05:49:38] Farzad : ersagun: you can check that in your transaction log [2017-03-01 05:49:51] ersagun : Farzad: Ah, fair enough [2017-03-01 05:50:02] Farzad : import it inside excell [2017-03-01 05:50:11] BitMEX_John : ersagun: the PNL is an accumulative total of the interest you have been paid - entry fee [2017-03-01 05:50:13] Farzad : and them an autosum of all fundings [2017-03-01 05:51:12] Farzad : ersagun: also in current market conditions u wont make much money by shorting [2017-03-01 05:51:20] ersagun : BitMEX_John: But that PNL takes into account of XBT value if I'm not mistaken. I mean, assume that XBT price dropped; my PNL will automatically be positive, as XBT lost value against USD. Or am I wrong? [2017-03-01 05:51:22] Farzad : interest rates are much lower now [2017-03-01 05:51:26] BitMEX_John : ersagun: @Farzad's advice is the best shot, you can see your trade history here https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory [2017-03-01 05:51:47] BitMEX_John : ersagun: sorry you are correct, my mistake [2017-03-01 05:52:33] ersagun : BitMEX_John: @Farzad Thanks for the help guys @micmix [2017-03-01 05:52:42] Farzad : no bro [2017-03-01 05:52:45] Farzad : np * [2017-03-01 05:53:28] BitMEX_John : ersagun: I was referring to the realised PNL field, but to manually calculate yourself would be most accurate [2017-03-01 05:54:14] BitMEX_John : ersagun: because if you close part of the position, or regularly change the size of it the realised PNL will no longer be a good way to count just your funding [2017-03-01 05:54:35] BitMEX_John : ersagun: welcome to BitMEX :) [2017-03-01 05:54:50] Farzad : BitMEX_John: Can u add a bitmex logo to my username ? :p [2017-03-01 05:54:59] ersagun : BitMEX_John: Thanks :-) [2017-03-01 05:56:12] BitMEX_John : Farzad: haha, unfortunately we can't, maybe you can come work for us one day though ;) [2017-03-01 05:57:24] Farzad : BitMEX_John: I am already working for u ! look at my bot. but I am not being paid :D at least make my account fee zero :p [2017-03-01 05:57:52] ayy_lmao : pushing it... [2017-03-01 05:57:54] ayy_lmao : lol [2017-03-01 05:58:15] XXXX : Farzad: + 1 [2017-03-01 05:58:16] BitMEX_John : Farzad: we appreciate your contribution to the community :) [2017-03-01 05:59:32] Farzad : BitMEX_John: ur welcome :) [2017-03-01 06:00:38] XXXX : Farzad: stop your bots for a week just to make traders here realise how important and entertaining your bots are. [2017-03-01 06:01:22] Farzad : XXXX: yes, good idea ! they will miss me. lol [2017-03-01 06:01:44] Farzad : Thanks buddy [2017-03-01 06:20:27] ayy_lmao : dash shorts getting their butts cracked [2017-03-01 06:21:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 76364 @ 1205.00 **MEGA-REKT** :boom: [2017-03-01 06:21:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 5000 @ 1202.81 [2017-03-01 06:21:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 1700 @ 1199.68 [2017-03-01 06:21:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH17`: sell 27028 @ 1198.24 [2017-03-01 06:21:31] thomaskikansha : BOOM [2017-03-01 06:21:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 8 @ 0.030583 [2017-03-01 06:22:57] deep : why going down? [2017-03-01 06:23:20] Farzad : micmix: Is it OK with u if I make a /rekt command to show rekt highlights of the day ? [2017-03-01 06:23:42] SilverKnight : deep: because people were selling... :P [2017-03-01 06:23:56] micmix : Farzad: sure, I have no problem with that [2017-03-01 06:24:32] -_- : DASH new high [2017-03-01 06:24:48] thomaskikansha : quarts shaking longs [2017-03-01 06:25:46] deep : Silverknight.....enlighment....thought some news broken.... [2017-03-01 06:26:45] thomaskikansha : spot didnt move a lot [2017-03-01 06:27:18] elmorte : man...10 days to go... [2017-03-01 06:30:23] ayy_lmao : -_-: thanks for letting me know about dash [2017-03-01 06:30:29] ayy_lmao : as soon as i saw that it broke ath [2017-03-01 06:30:32] ayy_lmao : fomo bought [2017-03-01 06:30:37] -_- : yeah hope everyone got in earlier [2017-03-01 06:30:50] -_- : someone keeps adding sell walls on Polo [2017-03-01 06:30:51] ayy_lmao : well i didnt follow you blindly [2017-03-01 06:30:57] ayy_lmao : but nice to know the market was moving [2017-03-01 06:31:25] Newmex : who in the world is buying dash at these prices? its gone parabolic...dump soon imo [2017-03-01 06:31:37] ayy_lmao : prob [2017-03-01 06:33:13] ayy_lmao : well i got some low bids [2017-03-01 06:33:32] wurstgelee : lol dash [2017-03-01 06:33:35] wurstgelee : 8) [2017-03-01 06:33:43] ayy_lmao : def isnt the real top tho [2017-03-01 06:33:47] wurstgelee : should've longed some more [2017-03-01 06:33:50] ayy_lmao : will just be local tops for the next week [2017-03-01 06:33:51] wurstgelee : but well...nice profit [2017-03-01 06:33:51] wurstgelee : :) [2017-03-01 06:34:14] elmorte : pure gamble atm [2017-03-01 06:34:20] thomaskikansha : much profit [2017-03-01 06:34:38] elmorte : 0 sum game [2017-03-01 06:35:41] elmorte : CNH going down again [2017-03-01 06:36:26] ayy_lmao : https://cryptowat.ch/poloniex/dashbtc/4h [2017-03-01 06:36:30] ayy_lmao : that 4hr is lmao [2017-03-01 06:36:51] wurstgelee : perfectly healthy, natural price increase [2017-03-01 06:36:55] wurstgelee : organically even [2017-03-01 06:37:06] ayy_lmao : 100% organic growth [2017-03-01 06:37:11] wurstgelee : yes [2017-03-01 06:37:17] elmorte : like fungus [2017-03-01 06:37:31] thomaskikansha : welcome to crypto worldTM [2017-03-01 06:38:07] wurstgelee : small shit compare to uro or paycoin pump [2017-03-01 06:38:08] elmorte : I bet rapid is short dash [2017-03-01 06:38:09] wurstgelee : *d [2017-03-01 06:38:10] wurstgelee : ;) [2017-03-01 06:38:31] ayy_lmao : nice run [2017-03-01 06:38:59] ayy_lmao : pls panic dump [2017-03-01 06:41:07] Newmex : i shorted dash above .03...on 1x [2017-03-01 06:41:13] Newmex : no way it stays there. sorry [2017-03-01 06:41:16] ayy_lmao : noice [2017-03-01 06:41:52] wurstgelee : sold .031 [2017-03-01 06:41:57] wurstgelee : cant say no tp 250% roe [2017-03-01 06:41:58] wurstgelee : ;) [2017-03-01 06:42:05] wurstgelee : to also [2017-03-01 06:42:17] ayy_lmao : how did you get 250%? [2017-03-01 06:42:24] ayy_lmao : on the short or total for today? [2017-03-01 06:43:08] wurstgelee : ayy_lmao: entry 0.027000 [2017-03-01 06:43:10] wurstgelee : 15x [2017-03-01 06:43:11] wurstgelee : ;) [2017-03-01 06:43:19] ayy_lmao : lol nice we did the same [2017-03-01 06:43:24] wurstgelee : or something manually adjusted...12x or sth [2017-03-01 06:43:26] wurstgelee : cant recall [2017-03-01 06:43:26] ayy_lmao : literally exact same [2017-03-01 06:43:32] wurstgelee : :D [2017-03-01 06:44:15] wurstgelee : zec could pull something similiar today please [2017-03-01 06:44:16] wurstgelee : thanks [2017-03-01 06:46:58] ayy_lmao : 15m okc quarter chart is ridiculous [2017-03-01 06:47:07] wurstgelee : yep [2017-03-01 06:47:11] ayy_lmao : 5 fomo panic dump spikes [2017-03-01 06:47:20] thomaskikansha : many down wicks lately [2017-03-01 06:47:25] ayy_lmao : yeah [2017-03-01 06:47:25] wurstgelee : bought some at the recent one tho [2017-03-01 06:47:29] wurstgelee : few minutes ago [2017-03-01 06:47:38] thomaskikansha : spot wasnt moving [2017-03-01 06:50:33] ayy_lmao : wurstgelee: was going to but was too busy with dash [2017-03-01 06:50:35] thomaskikansha : got similar scenario on 27th and it jumped to 1200 later [2017-03-01 06:51:15] thomaskikansha : several down wicks then up [2017-03-01 06:51:20] wurstgelee : ayy_lmao: sat down at screen, saw h17 dip, bought. realized dashed pumped a few minutes later [2017-03-01 06:51:20] wurstgelee : ;) [2017-03-01 06:51:24] wurstgelee : so np there [2017-03-01 06:51:27] ayy_lmao : lol [2017-03-01 06:52:47] thomaskikansha : dash dip's end? [2017-03-01 06:53:33] ayy_lmao : dont know, im waiting for next 4 hour candle before deciding what to do [2017-03-01 06:53:45] thomaskikansha : thought it would touch .03 [2017-03-01 06:54:02] elmorte : ayy_lmao: just add up 16x15min candles :p [2017-03-01 07:03:44] ayy_lmao : okc quarter dipping [2017-03-01 07:04:02] thomaskikansha : quarterlies sell wall at 1181 [2017-03-01 07:04:15] thomaskikansha : pulled sorry [2017-03-01 07:08:51] ayy_lmao : lol dash [2017-03-01 07:14:31] Farzad : /wall [2017-03-01 07:14:34] trollbot : ``` ±$30 Ask|Bid liquidity of 4 exchanges: 5981 Ƀ (-5.08%) | 4119 Ƀ (3.23%) SLQ: 1 hour, 41 minutes, 56 seconds``` [2017-03-01 07:14:56] Farzad : bulls are eating through that Ask wall :D [2017-03-01 07:15:26] Farzad : still 60% down, 40% up [2017-03-01 07:15:55] Newmex : where is ask wall? [2017-03-01 07:16:27] Farzad : 6K BTC on +$30 [2017-03-01 07:17:12] Newmex : on the quarterly? [2017-03-01 07:17:18] Newmex : i dont see any big wall [2017-03-01 07:17:27] Farzad : on /wall [2017-03-01 07:17:33] Newmex : /wall [2017-03-01 07:17:38] trollbot : ``` ±$30 Ask|Bid liquidity of 4 exchanges: 5753 Ƀ (-8.70%) | 4117 Ƀ (3.18%) SLQ: 3 minutes, 4 seconds``` [2017-03-01 07:17:45] Newmex : oh [2017-03-01 07:38:34] rich : Do we need ID verification to withdraw fund? [2017-03-01 07:39:20] ayy_lmao : no [2017-03-01 07:39:28] rich : thanks sir [2017-03-01 07:42:14] BitMEX_John : rich: you go here to make a withdrawal, no ID necessary https://www.bitmex.com/app/withdraw [2017-03-01 07:42:30] rich : thanks john [2017-03-01 07:42:44] rich : good gambling platform, lol [2017-03-01 07:44:24] BitMEX_John : rich: cryptocurrency derivatives* [2017-03-01 07:44:27] BitMEX_John : ;) [2017-03-01 07:44:43] BitMEX_John : rich: thanks for your kind words though :) [2017-03-01 07:44:56] rich : yup I know, I traded derivatives years ago, it is more like gambling [2017-03-01 07:45:02] ayy_lmao : lol [2017-03-01 07:45:11] rich : forex derivative [2017-03-01 07:45:24] vgck : rich: But damn if it isn't a fun way to lose all your money [2017-03-01 07:45:33] rich : thrilled and easily to be broke [2017-03-01 07:45:46] ayy_lmao : vgck: +1 [2017-03-01 07:46:24] wurstgelee : go dash [2017-03-01 07:46:28] wurstgelee : oO [2017-03-01 07:46:44] odieoh : @bitmex john, so looking at the chart for xbth17, with the flash crash a few days ago, does the giant wick down represent what the mark price was, or the market price? [2017-03-01 07:46:46] rich : I will try 1 btc to gamble per month, I have more than 100 btc, I won't be all-in them [2017-03-01 07:47:11] rich : It is strictly enforced, max 1 btc per month, no more [2017-03-01 07:47:30] wurstgelee : great story bro [2017-03-01 07:47:43] odieoh : @bitmex_john see my question, I misspelled your name [2017-03-01 07:47:52] wurstgelee : Hollywood will love it [2017-03-01 07:48:27] BitMEX_John : odieoh: the wick down is the market price [2017-03-01 07:48:40] odieoh : Is there a way to tell how low the mark price went? [2017-03-01 07:50:00] odieoh : @bitmex_john [2017-03-01 07:50:01] BitMEX_John : odieoh: one moment [2017-03-01 07:50:05] odieoh : thanks [2017-03-01 07:50:15] ayy_lmao : rich: use cross leverage! [2017-03-01 07:50:18] wurstgelee : blindly catching some smaller dash knifes on mobile while drving to work [2017-03-01 07:50:25] wurstgelee : i am sure this is a great idea [2017-03-01 07:50:28] wurstgelee : oO [2017-03-01 07:50:38] ayy_lmao : lol [2017-03-01 07:50:49] elmorte : wurstgelee: last time I did that, 5BTC down the drain :( [2017-03-01 07:51:04] elmorte : and I thought I was multitasking... [2017-03-01 07:51:28] wurstgelee : yep. ;) been there. But also has been wildly profitable [2017-03-01 07:51:38] wurstgelee : also its a good buzz to wake up [2017-03-01 07:51:42] wurstgelee : ;) [2017-03-01 07:51:42] longbydefault : wurstglee: you still think dash is going to go up? [2017-03-01 07:51:50] wurstgelee : I have no idea [2017-03-01 07:51:53] wurstgelee : haha [2017-03-01 07:52:00] ayy_lmao : just trading the waves [2017-03-01 07:52:04] wurstgelee : Yep [2017-03-01 07:52:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `DASH7D`: sell 200 @ 0.029222 [2017-03-01 07:52:55] thomaskikansha : longs rekting [2017-03-01 07:54:05] ayy_lmao : new 4hr in 5 mins [2017-03-01 07:54:09] ayy_lmao : should be fun [2017-03-01 07:55:38] imabeast : xmr looking saucy [2017-03-01 07:55:40] ayy_lmao : this dump lol [2017-03-01 07:56:44] thomaskikansha : MM's gone lol [2017-03-01 07:56:48] ayy_lmao : inorite [2017-03-01 07:56:50] shiroe : as expected., [2017-03-01 07:57:52] BitMEX_John : odieoh: unfortunetly we don't have a chart of the mark price, only the index and trade price [2017-03-01 07:58:27] ayy_lmao : BitMEX_John: an addition of a mark graph would be greatly appreciated [2017-03-01 07:58:31] odieoh : @bitmex_john hrm. . .do you happen to know approximately how low it went on that big dip? [2017-03-01 07:58:54] odieoh : i assume a fair bit higher than the market price; the wick was cascading margins eh? [2017-03-01 07:59:08] BitMEX_John : ayy_lmao: I will pass this feedback onto the team :) [2017-03-01 08:00:42] BitMEX_John : odieoh: I don't unfortunately [2017-03-01 08:01:15] BitMEX_John : odieoh: but yes your assumption would be correct, one of the biggest reasons we have the fair price marking system is to avoid unnecessary liquidations [2017-03-01 08:01:38] odieoh : Ok thanks [2017-03-01 08:01:49] .. : okc q slowly going down, feel like we will have another drop.. lets hope it will be a fun one [2017-03-01 08:02:06] l3f : BitMEX_John: What price do you recommend for stops? [2017-03-01 08:02:12] l3f : Mark price stops are just terrible [2017-03-01 08:02:17] l3f : last price is stupid as well [2017-03-01 08:02:40] l3f : By the time mark price updates it is actually the bottoms and the stop sells the bottom [2017-03-01 08:02:49] l3f : when the price is actually not the bottom anymore [2017-03-01 08:02:51] j8 : i think the lowest liquidations were around 1115 on that dip [2017-03-01 08:03:49] BitMEX_John : l3f: setting based on mark price can avoid unnecessary stopping out, but I agree that it can result in getting triggered at the bottom [2017-03-01 08:04:02] l3f : BitMEX_John: it has the uncanny ability to sell the bottom every time [2017-03-01 08:04:08] BitMEX_John : it comes down to your personal preference and what your aim is [2017-03-01 08:04:09] ayy_lmao : lol [2017-03-01 08:04:36] l3f : BitMEX_John: can you add a stop that's based on (bestbid + best ask) /2 [2017-03-01 08:05:16] BitMEX_John : l3f: not currently, but if enough people want something like this we could make it a feature in future [2017-03-01 08:05:26] l3f : BitMEX_John: so that's a no [2017-03-01 08:05:27] l3f : hahah [2017-03-01 08:06:00] BitMEX_John : l3f: yeah, is this something you'd find useful though? [2017-03-01 08:06:00] l3f : BitMEX_John: Also % based trailing stops while we're at it [2017-03-01 08:06:18] l3f : That's 100% useful [2017-03-01 08:06:21] wurstgelee : stationary again [2017-03-01 08:06:24] wurstgelee : good job mobile me [2017-03-01 08:06:26] wurstgelee : 8) [2017-03-01 08:06:42] BitMEX_John : l3f: % based trailing stops is on our development schedule, very high demand [2017-03-01 08:06:48] l3f : BitMEX_John: Good [2017-03-01 08:07:21] l3f : BitMEX_John: Just copy all the order types OKC has and we're good I think [2017-03-01 08:07:35] BitMEX_John : l3f: hahah [2017-03-01 08:13:18] l3f : BitMEX_John: I think anything that prevents stops getting whipsawed would be good [2017-03-01 08:13:23] l3f : I don't know what's the best way to do it [2017-03-01 08:15:25] CliffaryHilton : if there was a stop that guranteed I didnt lose money then that would be cool too [2017-03-01 08:15:28] rapidtrades : wtf is going on here [2017-03-01 08:15:51] rapidtrades : some major scam afoot here [2017-03-01 08:16:37] rapidtrades : i hope whoever is pumping this gets caught in the ETF decision [2017-03-01 08:16:39] Farzad : /wall [2017-03-01 08:16:41] rapidtrades : scumbag [2017-03-01 08:16:43] trollbot : ``` ±$30 Ask|Bid liquidity of 4 exchanges: 6317 Ƀ (0.25%) | 4184 Ƀ (4.86%) SLQ: 59 minutes, 5 seconds``` [2017-03-01 08:17:31] vgck : rapidtrades: How much have you made from the funding from your short? How many contracts is it? [2017-03-01 08:17:57] rapidtrades : i prolly lost 2% maybe more [2017-03-01 08:18:26] ayy_lmao : without funding would be? [2017-03-01 08:18:34] rapidtrades : lost 4-5% in january [2017-03-01 08:18:48] rapidtrades : ayy_lmao: talking about funding bra [2017-03-01 08:19:22] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: https://twitter.com/geminidotcom/status/836682892134739969 [2017-03-01 08:19:25] vgck : rapidtrades: ? If you're short shouldn't you have made money, not lost? Shorts gain, no? [2017-03-01 08:19:38] ayy_lmao : thats why in confused [2017-03-01 08:19:41] rapidtrades : nope, it depends on market [2017-03-01 08:19:51] ayy_lmao : there was brief moments it was negative [2017-03-01 08:19:58] ayy_lmao : but overall positive no? [2017-03-01 08:20:44] l3f : rapidtrades: it's japan [2017-03-01 08:20:58] l3f : they're the new China [2017-03-01 08:21:10] l3f : They're leading the pump [2017-03-01 08:21:18] rapidtrades : ayy_lmao: bro like i said i lost 4-5% in funding alone during january, how much more clear can i get [2017-03-01 08:21:55] rapidtrades : there was some weird shit going on with swap constantly trading at small discount, just enough to trigger funding gain for longs but not enough to trade in/out [2017-03-01 08:21:55] ayy_lmao : i though he asked how much you made? [2017-03-01 08:21:59] ayy_lmao : so you lost overall? [2017-03-01 08:22:06] rapidtrades : bitmex refused to do anything about it so whatever [2017-03-01 08:22:13] ayy_lmao : lol [2017-03-01 08:22:17] BTCDJS : Is it accurate to say that if ETF is accepted there will be less volatility and bitcoin will behave more like a stock? [2017-03-01 08:22:21] ayy_lmao : forgot about that [2017-03-01 08:22:45] l3f : BTCDJS: more like pump sky fucking high then dump like we never dumped before [2017-03-01 08:22:46] rapidtrades : yes i lost overall this year on funding, said that first [2017-03-01 08:22:57] ayy_lmao : damn [2017-03-01 08:22:57] vgck : BTCDJS: Doesnt that depend more on market cap, liquidity? [2017-03-01 08:22:57] l3f : pump 10k and drop back to 2k [2017-03-01 08:23:08] vgck : rapidtrades: My condolences [2017-03-01 08:23:17] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: yes that's accurate [2017-03-01 08:23:22] odieoh : @BTCDJS I think that will be the case after a while. .. I imagine some crazy swings for the first while though [2017-03-01 08:23:41] BTCDJS : ^^ [2017-03-01 08:23:45] odieoh : You still will have people on exchanges with margin doing crazy stuff [2017-03-01 08:23:52] BTCDJS : That's what I thought [2017-03-01 08:24:10] BTCDJS : I like stocks [2017-03-01 08:24:18] rapidtrades : i see no way SEC will approve the ETF with this constellation of exchanges [2017-03-01 08:24:19] ayy_lmao : jan was fun [2017-03-01 08:24:23] ayy_lmao : trollbox hype was great [2017-03-01 08:24:24] odieoh : And they will have a shitton of BTC because they (us hopefully?) will have gotten in low [2017-03-01 08:24:33] rapidtrades : maybe if gemini had 50% volume but like this? no way [2017-03-01 08:24:35] BTCDJS : the volatility is annoying [2017-03-01 08:24:49] rapidtrades : i love volatility [2017-03-01 08:24:58] InvalidUser : me too [2017-03-01 08:25:02] odieoh : If the ETF passes, Gemini will be volume leader or close to it [2017-03-01 08:25:06] l3f : I hate the chop [2017-03-01 08:25:11] rapidtrades : odieoh: nope [2017-03-01 08:25:15] l3f : also random dumps [2017-03-01 08:25:19] l3f : Just stable up movement is enough for me [2017-03-01 08:25:20] ayy_lmao : make money during movement [2017-03-01 08:25:22] ayy_lmao : lose it during chop [2017-03-01 08:25:23] ayy_lmao : repeat [2017-03-01 08:25:31] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: not the kind where you go up 20 and flash crash 100 in an instant [2017-03-01 08:25:43] rapidtrades : well don't go long then [2017-03-01 08:25:59] BTCDJS : Lol [2017-03-01 08:27:08] vgck : Can't go long, can't go short? How do you win this game? [2017-03-01 08:27:50] InvalidUser : By not listening to the trollbox [2017-03-01 08:28:21] l3f : vgck: just don't be in a short position [2017-03-01 08:28:28] l3f : worked for 2+ years so far [2017-03-01 08:28:33] InvalidUser : /\ [2017-03-01 08:28:42] InvalidUser : There will be a time to be short but it is not now [2017-03-01 08:28:57] InvalidUser : Just look at any chart and make up your own mind [2017-03-01 08:29:06] ayy_lmao : the great bear market of 2014 [2017-03-01 08:29:17] InvalidUser : it was [2017-03-01 08:29:26] wurstgelee : ayy_lmao: *2015 [2017-03-01 08:29:31] wurstgelee : part of 2014 ofc [2017-03-01 08:29:35] ayy_lmao : 2015 [2017-03-01 08:29:36] wurstgelee : but main bear market was 2015 [2017-03-01 08:29:39] ayy_lmao : the great sideways market [2017-03-01 08:29:44] wurstgelee : hehe [2017-03-01 08:29:44] ayy_lmao : eternal sideways [2017-03-01 08:29:50] InvalidUser : ayy_lmao: lol [2017-03-01 08:29:52] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: no it wasn't it was 2014 [2017-03-01 08:30:01] rapidtrades : ur memory is fried like a sausage [2017-03-01 08:30:07] wurstgelee : y [2017-03-01 08:30:09] wurstgelee : i am old [2017-03-01 08:30:19] wurstgelee : i was this decade [2017-03-01 08:30:23] wurstgelee : thats all i need to know [2017-03-01 08:30:39] ayy_lmao : lol [2017-03-01 08:30:39] rapidtrades : prepare for 80% drawdown HODLerS [2017-03-01 08:30:45] thomaskikansha : dash bouncy [2017-03-01 08:30:51] ayy_lmao : will my butt be cracked? [2017-03-01 08:30:59] rapidtrades : yes [2017-03-01 08:31:05] BTC-Noob : winklevoss twins are selling all their btc during these auctions secretely lol [2017-03-01 08:31:05] wurstgelee : again? [2017-03-01 08:31:14] BTC-Noob : the have like 1% of total supply [2017-03-01 08:32:41] rapidtrades : i've never seen smth move like bitcoin past few months [2017-03-01 08:32:54] rapidtrades : has to be manipulated, this isn't real demand [2017-03-01 08:33:17] rapidtrades : 50% retracement is pretty much guaranteed maybe even 80%+ [2017-03-01 08:33:26] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: this has only started [2017-03-01 08:35:49] vgck : rapidtrades: I hope you're prepared to hold that short past $3000 [2017-03-01 08:36:23] Rado : rapidtrades: are you serious or just bashing [2017-03-01 08:36:34] InvalidUser : 3k will be our base line at the end of 2017 [2017-03-01 08:36:44] ayy_lmao : i totally get where rapidtrades is coming from [2017-03-01 08:37:04] Rado : ayy_lmao: you do? [2017-03-01 08:37:04] ayy_lmao : he doesnt like clueluess noobs (new money) making easy money [2017-03-01 08:37:13] ayy_lmao : so he stubbornly wants to short it [2017-03-01 08:37:31] Rado : that makes sense [2017-03-01 08:37:36] ayy_lmao : but like [2017-03-01 08:37:45] Rado : but that has nothing to do with reality [2017-03-01 08:37:50] InvalidUser : trading on emotion will make you broke [2017-03-01 08:38:01] ayy_lmao : sometimes you gotta accept it [2017-03-01 08:38:13] InvalidUser : Numbers are the only thing that matters [2017-03-01 08:38:28] Rado : it's not about trading or charts [2017-03-01 08:39:11] ayy_lmao : its about "organic growth" [2017-03-01 08:39:15] Rado : many people trade and think they know where bitcoin is going, but don't actually understand what bitcoin is [2017-03-01 08:40:01] InvalidUser : I am 100% behind Bitcoin.. That doesn't mean I am not going to short it on the way down. Being pro BTC means I want more of it. [2017-03-01 08:42:29] Rado : ayy_lmao: noobs will still get wiped out [2017-03-01 08:42:41] BTCTRADER : is the bitcoin price manipulated by some big whales? [2017-03-01 08:42:57] Rado : it might not be from 1200 down to 400 [2017-03-01 08:43:14] Rado : it might be from 3000 down to 1200 [2017-03-01 08:44:15] Rado : BTCTRADER: if there is manipulation it's to keep it down [2017-03-01 08:44:51] Rado : every time it goes up China comes out with some bogus news [2017-03-01 08:45:31] elmorte : When was the last PBOC intervention? Feb 8th? [2017-03-01 08:45:32] Rado : Now it's ETF [2017-03-01 08:45:42] elmorte : It's been almost a month in that case [2017-03-01 08:45:45] Rado : who the fuck cares about the ETF [2017-03-01 08:46:12] Rado : BTC is the real advancement [2017-03-01 08:46:36] Rado : replace the whole stick market instead of adding stupid ETFs [2017-03-01 08:47:03] Rado : people don't get that the stock market is designed to get their money [2017-03-01 08:50:34] ayy_lmao : etf wont make or break bitcoin [2017-03-01 08:50:35] elmorte : Well...yeah...you buy stock to invest your money [2017-03-01 08:51:27] InvalidUser : BTCTRADER: in a small way yes [2017-03-01 08:51:37] DorianWhack-A-Moto : second etf march 31st. if march 11 fails its round 2 weeks later [2017-03-01 08:52:02] InvalidUser : They can move the market in a few hundred dollars in each direction. [2017-03-01 08:53:34] DorianWhack-A-Moto : market is going to be choppy as hell from here on out. should be plenty of pumps and dips to take profit on. [2017-03-01 08:55:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 10 @ 0.013160 [2017-03-01 08:55:46] vgck : DorianWhack-A-Moto: Or lose money on [2017-03-01 08:56:19] paper : in shortish term 6h is looking sort of adam and eve top to me but we'll see what happens [2017-03-01 08:56:42] DorianWhack-A-Moto : It looks Tom n Jerry to me. [2017-03-01 08:56:45] InvalidUser : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ee2amTdwH8 [2017-03-01 09:00:36] InvalidUser : ?? [2017-03-01 09:07:10] wurstgelee : clearly a donald & goofy [2017-03-01 09:10:08] elmorte : DorianWhack-A-Moto: the second ETF is filed by who? [2017-03-01 09:10:22] elmorte : I know there's 3(?), right? [2017-03-01 09:14:54] InvalidUser : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_ybm65bkco [2017-03-01 09:19:27] Ahhere : So I'm Yolo long for the ETF. Happy to pay rapid if he's finally right. Who is in? [2017-03-01 09:20:14] elmorte : I got wife & kid @Ahhere [2017-03-01 09:20:36] elmorte : mortgage...prescription pills addiction... [2017-03-01 09:20:41] daigo : Ahhere, I'm in. [2017-03-01 09:20:46] Ahhere : I said yolo in not all in. I got 2 kids bro [2017-03-01 09:21:11] elmorte : yolo in > all in [2017-03-01 09:21:23] Ahhere : Lol tru [2017-03-01 09:21:33] InvalidUser : Ahhere: GL bro, I am long at decent leverage [2017-03-01 09:22:09] Ahhere : Yolo = risking half my Feb profits [2017-03-01 09:22:44] elmorte : that's YorhFp [2017-03-01 09:22:58] laisee : Family-safe YOLO = you only leverage one time [2017-03-01 09:23:21] Ahhere : Lol such a specific expression @elmorte [2017-03-01 09:23:27] elmorte : :) [2017-03-01 09:24:12] Ahhere : laisee: the kids still go to college just maybe not Harvard. [2017-03-01 09:24:39] elmorte : http://i.imgur.com/T12AhFM.gif @Ahhere [2017-03-01 09:24:46] laisee : maybe the school for kids who can't read good ... [2017-03-01 09:24:54] micmix : elmorte: there is GBTC already trading, and there is Bitcoin Investment Trust byBarry Silbert [2017-03-01 09:25:11] Ahhere : Ahaha @elmorte [2017-03-01 09:25:28] laisee : surely ETF is priced in about 10X already? [2017-03-01 09:25:50] micmix : Silbert wants it to get listed on NYSE [2017-03-01 09:26:35] laisee : Silbert is a wall st wannabe [2017-03-01 09:26:40] Ahhere : I estimate less than half expect it so a further approval pump is what I'm betting on [2017-03-01 09:26:42] elmorte : micmix: cheers. [2017-03-01 09:27:25] micmix : elmorte: this article explains all 3: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/third-bitcoin-etf-filed-sec-will-they-actually-become-reality/ [2017-03-01 09:28:46] elmorte : That's it, thanks @micmix [2017-03-01 09:29:50] daigo : the point is why they should NOT approve it? they are normal persons, they like easy money, they are at the end of their mandate, they can pass it even by not doing anything, and they delayed the decision for years (just to accumulate?) [2017-03-01 09:30:15] daigo : the incentives are just too many [2017-03-01 09:31:18] daigo : worst case scenario: they approve it (or just let it pass) then bitcoin crashes some months from now because China.. what a tragedy! not their fault, still their money [2017-03-01 09:33:15] laisee : exactly, bitcoin has risks ... [2017-03-01 09:33:26] daigo : as anything else [2017-03-01 09:33:34] daigo : maybe more [2017-03-01 09:33:52] vgck : They don't care, there are way more risky ETFs out there [2017-03-01 09:34:15] daigo : but they care about themselves primarily, hence the incentives are there [2017-03-01 09:35:00] daigo : they are not saints with a mission, they are just State Bureocrats, so they care about their own wealth first [2017-03-01 09:35:05] laisee : vgck: can u list some ETF more risky than BTC? [2017-03-01 09:36:19] daigo : IMHO, stocks about VISA, PAYPAL, MASTERCARD, WU, MONEYGRAM are all at risk.. :P [2017-03-01 09:36:35] InvalidUser : /\ [2017-03-01 09:36:52] elmorte : > The most volatile stock ETF, Direxion Daily Gold Miners Bear 3x ETF (DUST), has a three-year standard deviation of 125.45 and a three-year average annual return of -44.36%. [2017-03-01 09:37:22] laisee : elmorte: sounds like a winner ... where do I dign up [2017-03-01 09:37:43] elmorte : I'll give you my bank acc [2017-03-01 09:37:58] InvalidUser : That takes 3 days to transfer [2017-03-01 09:38:07] elmorte : We live in the same country [2017-03-01 09:38:09] laisee : I need to invest now! [2017-03-01 09:38:44] laisee : before DUST becomes BUST [2017-03-01 09:38:50] elmorte : haha, nice [2017-03-01 09:39:54] elmorte : That AAR reminds me of sex post marrige [2017-03-01 09:56:40] jayesh : Whenever i place a Limit order of 1000, eveery bot seems to get trigerred [2017-03-01 09:59:58] laisee : enraged bot army. [2017-03-01 10:00:31] laisee : you can play around and find out what price delta and qty get the bots activated. [2017-03-01 10:18:48] daigo : this is a good moment for ZH to come up with some fake rumors about the ETF being turned down [2017-03-01 10:39:38] rullwull : i would invest in Brock Pierce ICO rather than Winkelvos's ETF [2017-03-01 10:43:15] vgck : Any know any good risk management videos on youtube? [2017-03-01 11:06:18] MikeHunt : vgck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpGz13ByJjU [2017-03-01 11:06:32] InvalidUser : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjDbJQKDXCY [2017-03-01 11:06:43] MikeHunt : vgck: also if ur new i recommend only playing with little amounts here til ur making consistent returns [2017-03-01 11:06:55] MikeHunt : margin can be as addictive as mEth [2017-03-01 11:07:14] Farzad : /wall [2017-03-01 11:07:17] trollbot : ``` ±$30 Ask|Bid liquidity of 4 exchanges: 6969 Ƀ (10.60%) | 4126 Ƀ (3.41%) SLQ: 2 hours, 50 minutes, 35 seconds``` [2017-03-01 11:07:31] MikeHunt : woah [2017-03-01 11:09:21] brasska : Farzad: maybe its better +-1% instead of +-$30? [2017-03-01 11:11:30] zanza : https://www.tradingview.com/x/BlKtVKEj/ [2017-03-01 11:12:13] wurstgelee : zanza: haha [2017-03-01 11:12:14] wurstgelee : n1 [2017-03-01 11:14:39] vgck : MikeHunt: Thanks! [2017-03-01 11:15:24] MikeHunt : zanza: might need a 3rd handle if etf fails [2017-03-01 11:15:25] MikeHunt : no biggy [2017-03-01 11:20:46] MikeHunt : hmm that is the 3rd handle? [2017-03-01 11:21:58] ayy_lmao : zanza: lol [2017-03-01 11:22:19] ayy_lmao : you guys are so focused on etf [2017-03-01 11:22:24] ayy_lmao : it might even dump if accepted [2017-03-01 11:22:26] ayy_lmao : lol [2017-03-01 11:22:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 400 @ 1195.91 [2017-03-01 11:22:39] wurstgelee : ayy_lmao: NO! THAT CAN NOT HAPPEN [2017-03-01 11:22:41] wurstgelee : 8) [2017-03-01 11:22:48] ayy_lmao : ;) [2017-03-01 11:23:15] MikeHunt : ayy_lmao: that would be the greatest bull trap ever [2017-03-01 11:23:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 2 @ 1196.28 :punch: :whale: [2017-03-01 11:23:44] wurstgelee : 1200 [2017-03-01 11:24:02] MikeHunt : im expecting a flash crash again before ETF thou [2017-03-01 11:24:04] MikeHunt : maybe to 1000 [2017-03-01 11:24:17] MikeHunt : short/long squeeze in preparation [2017-03-01 11:24:25] abbey : let's go fellas [2017-03-01 11:24:55] bingbongfly : come on, unlucky night [2017-03-01 11:24:56] bingbongfly : https://gyazo.com/b9d6bed5bef0bd01fa85169fc4bdf60d [2017-03-01 11:25:16] ayy_lmao : unfilled? [2017-03-01 11:25:21] bingbongfly : yea haha [2017-03-01 11:25:23] ayy_lmao : lol [2017-03-01 11:25:24] bingbongfly : look how close [2017-03-01 11:25:58] bingbongfly : shouldn't complain, got some filled 1182 on swap [2017-03-01 11:26:00] bingbongfly : but still [2017-03-01 11:26:32] ayy_lmao : stamp testing 1200 [2017-03-01 11:26:41] vgck : Moon time? [2017-03-01 11:26:57] ayy_lmao : nothing is guaranteed until 1220 breaks [2017-03-01 11:27:52] ayy_lmao : but 4h looks good yeah [2017-03-01 11:28:12] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 9 @ 1197.83