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[2017-02-27 18:22:51] wurstgelee : oh, h17
[2017-02-27 18:22:55] thxforyourbtc! : yes
[2017-02-27 18:23:07] sleger : j8: no i can switch others it works, not eth
[2017-02-27 18:23:11] wurstgelee : i dont see any dip there yet tbh
[2017-02-27 18:23:27] thxforyourbtc! : $5 dip
[2017-02-27 18:23:32] thxforyourbtc! : is a fair bit
[2017-02-27 18:23:34] Dockspector : What other exchange is the price based on, Okcasino and?
[2017-02-27 18:23:43] thxforyourbtc! : bitstamp
[2017-02-27 18:23:46] Dockspector : Thanks
[2017-02-27 18:23:47] j8 : sleger: i just saw this issue on zcash and etc, but not eth
[2017-02-27 18:23:50] shiroe : -100 + 400. easy
[2017-02-27 18:24:14] wurstgelee : as i said...chrome and bitmex is weird atm
[2017-02-27 18:24:16] j8 : saw it on ripple and fct too
[2017-02-27 18:24:27] j8 : and xmr
[2017-02-27 18:24:38] sleger : have it on swap now
[2017-02-27 18:24:43] sleger : contagion is happening
[2017-02-27 18:25:15] wurstgelee : i have buy and sell buttons randomly greyed out for months tbh
[2017-02-27 18:25:19] wurstgelee : f5 fixes it
[2017-02-27 18:25:21] wurstgelee : usually
[2017-02-27 18:25:32] wurstgelee : sleger: does refresh fix it for u?
[2017-02-27 18:25:42] carl : why the chipper for index price?
[2017-02-27 18:25:46] carl : Always wondered that...
[2017-02-27 18:25:54] -_- : happens for me on firefox
[2017-02-27 18:25:58] carl : Because they once were market leaders?
[2017-02-27 18:26:16] mtourig3 : new filing on ETF!!! https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=0001579346&owner=exclude&count=40&hidefilings=0
[2017-02-27 18:26:23] mtourig3 : filing*
[2017-02-27 18:26:30] wurstgelee : carl: ask the bitmex admins. still waiting for that announcement after chinese new year ;)
[2017-02-27 18:26:41] sleger : wurstgelee: refresh doesnt fix it
[2017-02-27 18:27:06] -_- : FCT, XRP, ETH, XBCH17 all greyed out for me
[2017-02-27 18:27:27] carl : wurstgelee: yeah, obsolete now
[2017-02-27 18:27:35] carl : should be finex instead
[2017-02-27 18:27:51] Tetsuo : sleger: same problem here, after a click on the orderbook it works though
[2017-02-27 18:28:01] Tetsuo : Firefox
[2017-02-27 18:28:06] sleger : didnt fix it for me
[2017-02-27 18:28:07] wurstgelee : carl: there seems to be an issue with the market maker not wanting to hedge there...
[2017-02-27 18:28:34] sleger : Tetsuo: i mean it fixes it but if i switch and come back its broken again
[2017-02-27 18:28:42] Tetsuo : yeah here too
[2017-02-27 18:28:43] wurstgelee : sleger: i jave it on eth too
[2017-02-27 18:28:45] wurstgelee : lol
[2017-02-27 18:28:48] wurstgelee : cant fix it
[2017-02-27 18:29:01] wurstgelee : buttons greyed out, nothing i can do
[2017-02-27 18:29:16] sleger : eth IS special after all
[2017-02-27 18:29:17] carl : wurstgelee: what you mean by that?
[2017-02-27 18:29:21] wurstgelee : switching to etc and back resolves it
[2017-02-27 18:29:48] wurstgelee : carl: its a political thing ;)
[2017-02-27 18:30:42] wurstgelee : nvm, now i cant use etc...
[2017-02-27 18:30:54] wurstgelee : hhaaaaa
[2017-02-27 18:30:59] wurstgelee : i know how to reproduce it
[2017-02-27 18:31:35] wurstgelee : sleger: click different contract tabs.. stop at some point, then click the previous of the one you clicked last
[2017-02-27 18:31:39] wurstgelee : what happens? ;)
[2017-02-27 18:31:57] sleger : i can trade it
[2017-02-27 18:32:00] sleger : its not greyed out
[2017-02-27 18:32:06] wurstgelee : the previous isnt greyed out?
[2017-02-27 18:32:10] sleger : no
[2017-02-27 18:32:15] wurstgelee : that repsroduces it perfectly for me
[2017-02-27 18:32:29] sleger : but ripple is greyed out now
[2017-02-27 18:32:31] wurstgelee : switch to augur, then xmr, back to augur -> augur greyed out
[2017-02-27 18:32:43] sleger : not for me no
[2017-02-27 18:32:44] wurstgelee : ripple->some other->ripple -> grey
[2017-02-27 18:32:53] sleger : not for me
[2017-02-27 18:33:02] sleger : ripple is greyed no matter what so yes but no
[2017-02-27 18:33:02] wurstgelee : nope, i thought so
[2017-02-27 18:33:03] wurstgelee : its random
[2017-02-27 18:33:08] wurstgelee : some a greyed out, some not
[2017-02-27 18:33:12] mahouni : Anybody looking in to getting to ZEC train?
[2017-02-27 18:33:13] sleger : its nto random
[2017-02-27 18:33:18] wurstgelee : and it changes which ones are grey
[2017-02-27 18:33:28] wurstgelee : sleger: do u have one which is never grey for u?
[2017-02-27 18:33:41] sleger : swap eth and ripple are greyed, none other
[2017-02-27 18:33:56] rullwull : mahouni: already in;)
[2017-02-27 18:33:57] wurstgelee : i have XBc grey atm
[2017-02-27 18:34:17] wurstgelee : now augur...now xrp
[2017-02-27 18:34:33] sleger : clicking the order book doesnt always solve it, its a real bug
[2017-02-27 18:34:40] wurstgelee : same
[2017-02-27 18:34:45] wurstgelee : doesnt solve always
[2017-02-27 18:34:59] sleger : Greg, you reporting it ?
[2017-02-27 18:35:04] mahouni : rullwull: nice, I dont know how i missed that i was interested below 0.25
[2017-02-27 18:35:13] mahouni : Might still throw chumpchange to it
[2017-02-27 18:35:13] wurstgelee : sleger: it has to be a bug, otherwise it would occur on multiple clients
[2017-02-27 18:35:19] wurstgelee : *wouldnt
[2017-02-27 18:37:54] brasska : mahouni: bought march here and plenty on spot
[2017-02-27 18:38:04] -_- : ZEC is hard to get into
[2017-02-27 18:38:55] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: I can reproduce it and have a fix in the pipe
[2017-02-27 18:39:01] wurstgelee : YAY
[2017-02-27 18:39:05] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: Awesome as always thanks
[2017-02-27 18:39:21] mahouni : Is there volumine in ZEC in Poloniex?
[2017-02-27 18:40:19] mahouni : I think this will evolve in to nice fucking short eventually
[2017-02-27 18:40:26] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: u cant reproduce the "'Filled' doesnt get updated (starting with the second partial fill!) in active order tabs on partial fills" problem tho?
[2017-02-27 18:40:55] wurstgelee : (chrome, no clue if relevant)
[2017-02-27 18:41:04] BitMEX_Sam : No, not seeing that
[2017-02-27 18:42:16] wurstgelee : hm. not that importan, just annoying me a bit. i'll test it with different browser on different machines and maybe come back to you
[2017-02-27 18:42:20] wurstgelee : *t
[2017-02-27 18:43:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCT7D`: buy 15 @ 0.002494
[2017-02-27 18:43:44] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: What browser are you using now
[2017-02-27 18:43:48] wurstgelee : chrome
[2017-02-27 18:44:11] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: 56.0.2924.87
[2017-02-27 18:44:16] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: If you can replicate on testnet please let me know the steps
[2017-02-27 18:44:20] BitMEX_Sam : I have tried a few with no luck
[2017-02-27 18:44:22] wurstgelee : might very well be version 56, it sucks a lot
[2017-02-27 18:44:28] wurstgelee : i should revert to 54
[2017-02-27 18:44:30] wurstgelee : =)
[2017-02-27 18:45:01] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: no steps. open order. see first partial fill in "Filled", wait for next partial fill, field doesnt get updated
[2017-02-27 18:45:36] wurstgelee : u did try chrome 56 i assume?
[2017-02-27 18:46:16] Tetsuo : wurstgelee: also same problem here, Firefox
[2017-02-27 18:46:23] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: YAY
[2017-02-27 18:46:26] wurstgelee : I AM NOT ALONE
[2017-02-27 18:46:43] Tetsuo : it has been like that for a few days
[2017-02-27 18:46:43] BitMEX_Sam : Chrome 57 actually, let me try 56
[2017-02-27 18:46:52] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: YES
[2017-02-27 18:47:06] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: well, tetsuo has the same in FF.....
[2017-02-27 18:47:29] BitMEX_Sam : Yes - will investigate further
[2017-02-27 18:47:37] Tetsuo : YES
[2017-02-27 18:47:42] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: did u reproduce it?
[2017-02-27 18:47:44] wurstgelee : in 56?
[2017-02-27 18:47:57] BitMEX_Sam : Gotta give me more than 30 seconds there chief
[2017-02-27 18:48:10] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: u said "Yes"
[2017-02-27 18:48:12] wurstgelee : thats why ;(
[2017-02-27 18:48:13] Tetsuo : time is DOGE
[2017-02-27 18:48:26] wurstgelee : wrong smiley
[2017-02-27 18:49:00] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: also, sometimes the order still has "cancel" button - altho long filled
[2017-02-27 18:49:11] wurstgelee : something doesnt get updated there
[2017-02-27 18:49:23] Tetsuo : YES
[2017-02-27 18:49:33] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: annoying af, right?
[2017-02-27 18:50:00] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm. Still can't reproduce. I'll keep an eye on it
[2017-02-27 18:50:44] wurstgelee : will try different browsers/machines at work tomorrow
[2017-02-27 18:50:48] wurstgelee : and report back
[2017-02-27 18:51:04] wurstgelee : *will make my intern try it
[2017-02-27 18:51:08] wurstgelee : :p
[2017-02-27 18:55:40] rapidtrades : we've been at 4-5 premium for like 3 hrs and funding only went up from 0.01 to 0.049
[2017-02-27 18:56:03] rapidtrades : do u think ppl are this stupid?
[2017-02-27 18:57:30] sleger : are you saying its broken ?
[2017-02-27 18:57:59] rapidtrades : ofc its broken, its been under cutting shorts for few days now
[2017-02-27 18:58:24] sleger : did you check the maths ?
[2017-02-27 18:58:38] j8 : you have the formula, if you don't like it that's one thing but it's not wrong
[2017-02-27 19:00:08] rapidtrades : yeah it should be 0.15% min @sleger
[2017-02-27 19:00:24] j8 : it does rip you off by ~5 bps most of the time because of the clamp
[2017-02-27 19:00:41] sleger : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTUSDPI
[2017-02-27 19:00:43] sleger : seems fine
[2017-02-27 19:00:50] sleger : its just an 8 hr average
[2017-02-27 19:00:55] sleger : there was some discount earlier too
[2017-02-27 19:00:59] rapidtrades : their self reported data seems fine? ok
[2017-02-27 19:01:10] sleger : bitmex doesnt make money on it
[2017-02-27 19:01:30] rapidtrades : just like they didn't take money on ZEC
[2017-02-27 19:01:38] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: is your short looking this bad now?
[2017-02-27 19:01:38] j8 : well the impact bid price is generally lower than best bid / last
[2017-02-27 19:01:43] wurstgelee : reslly?
[2017-02-27 19:01:45] sleger : its self reported but its minute by minute it s easy to check it is 0.246% last minute which is correct
[2017-02-27 19:01:46] wurstgelee : really also
[2017-02-27 19:02:05] rapidtrades : ok i'll keep an eye on it @sleger
[2017-02-27 19:02:32] wurstgelee : maybe u should first keep an eye on it and then come up with implied accusations
[2017-02-27 19:02:33] sleger : wouldnt make sense for bitmex to cheat on that
[2017-02-27 19:02:39] wurstgelee : not the other way round
[2017-02-27 19:02:48] wurstgelee : also what sleger just said
[2017-02-27 19:02:51] wurstgelee : nor benefit for bitmex
[2017-02-27 19:02:55] wurstgelee : *-r
[2017-02-27 19:03:17] rapidtrades : sleger: it seems to show exactly what im talking about tho
[2017-02-27 19:03:18] sleger : funding wont finance a moon ticket anyways
[2017-02-27 19:03:37] rapidtrades : min is 0.2-0.4% past 2 hrs and funding only went up from 0.01 to 0.05
[2017-02-27 19:03:44] wurstgelee : sleger: but thats what he wants :p
[2017-02-27 19:03:51] rapidtrades : things don't add up
[2017-02-27 19:04:13] sleger : rapidtrades: its 8 hours that matters
[2017-02-27 19:04:33] sleger : you can retrieve it on the same page click the api link just above the table
[2017-02-27 19:04:36] sleger : change 200 to 500
[2017-02-27 19:04:36] wurstgelee : 0.2 for 2h would raise the funding to 0.05 if the other 6 are 0
[2017-02-27 19:04:39] wurstgelee : it adds up....
[2017-02-27 19:05:11] sleger : the ripoff is when it reaches the CAP thats it
[2017-02-27 19:05:34] wurstgelee : either ripoff or get rid of 100x
[2017-02-27 19:05:36] wurstgelee : pick 1
[2017-02-27 19:05:40] wurstgelee : ;)
[2017-02-27 19:05:58] sleger : the second one
[2017-02-27 19:06:01] wurstgelee : ofc
[2017-02-27 19:06:02] wurstgelee : :D
[2017-02-27 19:06:30] wurstgelee : i would be fine with higher cap and lower lev
[2017-02-27 19:06:43] wurstgelee : but its what attracts the sheep the most, high lev
[2017-02-27 19:06:44] rapidtrades : ok i'll keep watching
[2017-02-27 19:06:57] wurstgelee : i wouldnt want to get rid of those either if i were bitmex
[2017-02-27 19:07:28] rapidtrades : i have a feeling its off by watching it past few months but maybe im wrong
[2017-02-27 19:07:49] wurstgelee : you have to look attractive for those post-ath newbs
[2017-02-27 19:08:09] cryptoyolo : wheres all the action?
[2017-02-27 19:08:10] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: you are :)
[2017-02-27 19:08:47] wurstgelee : also there would really be no benefit.....
[2017-02-27 19:10:21] j8 : rapidtrades: go to https://www.bitmex.com/chartEmbed?symbol=.XBTUSDPI and put a moving average on the 1-minute with period 480 for 8 hours, or like 430 for the session up until now
[2017-02-27 19:11:43] j8 : it's 5 bps higher than the predicted funding. that's because of the clamp
[2017-02-27 19:14:07] rapidtrades : im seeing 0.001 with 430 ma
[2017-02-27 19:14:26] j8 : yes
[2017-02-27 19:15:03] rapidtrades : i don't understand why its not moving up tho
[2017-02-27 19:15:24] j8 : it is but averaging takes time
[2017-02-27 19:15:26] rapidtrades : look at past 3 hrs, they're all around 0.30%
[2017-02-27 19:15:47] rapidtrades : ok u need to *100 for some reason
[2017-02-27 19:16:07] rapidtrades : so ma shows 0.1% while prediction funding says 0.05%....why is this?
[2017-02-27 19:16:24] sleger : clamp
[2017-02-27 19:16:32] sleger : dont remember why it was set to 0.05% though
[2017-02-27 19:16:33] aethlios : j8: ema is 0.15% and funding 0.055%
[2017-02-27 19:16:35] rapidtrades : whats a clam
[2017-02-27 19:16:44] sleger : some kind of seafood
[2017-02-27 19:16:45] rapidtrades : aethlios: u se sma
[2017-02-27 19:16:55] rapidtrades : ema places greater value on recent data
[2017-02-27 19:17:12] j8 : `Funding Rate (F) = Premium Index (P) + clamp(Interest Rate (I) - Premium Index (P), 0.05%, -0.05%)`
[2017-02-27 19:17:36] sleger : rapidtrades: whats a clam sleger: some kind of seafood <= better than trollbot joke
[2017-02-27 19:17:59] rapidtrades : j8: english?
[2017-02-27 19:18:02] sleger : j8: you remember why 0.05% ?
[2017-02-27 19:18:18] aethlios : sma 0.10%
[2017-02-27 19:18:29] rapidtrades : eactly 0.1% not 0.05
[2017-02-27 19:18:52] j8 : sleger: not sure, seems arbitrary
[2017-02-27 19:19:10] sleger : I think it was to avoid it to trigger for small premiums
[2017-02-27 19:19:14] sleger : or discounts
[2017-02-27 19:19:21] sleger : but im not sure it makes any real sense
[2017-02-27 19:20:06] j8 : the usual spread between impact bid and ask is probably at least that big
[2017-02-27 19:20:42] j8 : i get that it's better to use the interest rate when there's basically no premium
[2017-02-27 19:20:43] sleger : yes but its no reason to add/remove 0.05% on top of that
[2017-02-27 19:20:48] rapidtrades : so until we breakout above 0.05% funding is tone-downed somehow?
[2017-02-27 19:20:50] j8 : but yes that part is dumb
[2017-02-27 19:21:10] aethlios : rapidtrades: you have been clamped!!
[2017-02-27 19:21:21] sleger : says the guy with bids at 700
[2017-02-27 19:21:28] sleger : :D
[2017-02-27 19:22:16] rapidtrades : told u guys it feels off
[2017-02-27 19:22:27] j8 : rapidtrades: it's decreased by 0.05% when the premium minus interest is greater than 0.05%
[2017-02-27 19:22:38] Tetsuo : Sherlock rapid
[2017-02-27 19:23:11] j8 : and i told you why its "off" but also not any different from whats in the docs
[2017-02-27 19:23:32] sleger : let's make the docs great again
[2017-02-27 19:23:32] Dynamix : Fuck you BTC , you lost me all my hope to survive, Someone who can send me 0.01 btc to short 100x this shit ? :D
[2017-02-27 19:24:12] sleger : Dynamix: I wish but after spending 10k a night in miami, i'd rather save up
[2017-02-27 19:24:28] rapidtrades : j8: great so shorts are getting constant -0.05% per 8 hrs
[2017-02-27 19:24:29] Dynamix : sleger: Lololol, 10k a night you know hahha
[2017-02-27 19:24:32] rapidtrades : that's a stupid rule
[2017-02-27 19:24:52] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: if etf approves at this height how much do u expect to loose?
[2017-02-27 19:24:57] Farzad : /price
[2017-02-27 19:25:01] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1192.01 (-0.03%) Bitfinex : 1194.90 (-0.04%) The Woodchipper : 1186.93 (-0.15%) itBit : 1193.22 (-0.10%) Kraken : 1193.10 (0.13%) GDAX : 1195.47 (0.03%) Last query : 4275 Seconds ago.```
[2017-02-27 19:25:17] rapidtrades : MikeHunt: prolly 10%
[2017-02-27 19:25:25] Farzad : /wall
[2017-02-27 19:25:29] trollbot : ``` Combined order book of 4 major exchanges: Asks: 4905 Ƀ (6.45%) Bids: 3392 Ƀ (1.86%) ±$30 deviation from the current price. Last query: 4339 Seconds ago.```
[2017-02-27 19:26:21] MikeHunt : i think this may get dragged up to 1400+ before etf so the drop doesnt break the bull run
[2017-02-27 19:26:40] rapidtrades : no its already losing steam
[2017-02-27 19:26:53] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: there is a huge buy wall on okc
[2017-02-27 19:27:01] MikeHunt : i think this may be another leg on the way up
[2017-02-27 19:27:10] BTCDJS : https://twitter.com/ansellindner/status/836257600144470016
[2017-02-27 19:27:13] rapidtrades : if that wall wanted to execute, he would've done it already
[2017-02-27 19:27:15] Apocalyptic : walls don't matter
[2017-02-27 19:27:15] rustiv : rapidtrades: that's what ashdrake said
[2017-02-27 19:27:45] Ahhere : Open interest 9k, users 1114, price 1230 on march. Is it time to take profit?
[2017-02-27 19:28:01] MikeHunt : BTCDJS: could also be investors betting on etf?
[2017-02-27 19:28:15] BTCDJS : Market buying?
[2017-02-27 19:28:19] BTCDJS : WRONG
[2017-02-27 19:28:30] MikeHunt : BTCDJS: manipulation tehn?
[2017-02-27 19:28:33] rapidtrades : more like token holders gambling on etf
[2017-02-27 19:28:44] BTCDJS : yup
[2017-02-27 19:28:46] rapidtrades : or exit scam by finex
[2017-02-27 19:28:59] j8 : rapidtrades: i agree its a stupid rule
[2017-02-27 19:29:30] MikeHunt : i hope etf is approved so it makes gold cheaper
[2017-02-27 19:29:41] MikeHunt : then wen it all crashes down with economy gold goes up
[2017-02-27 19:29:43] MikeHunt : muh riches
[2017-02-27 19:29:49] Ahhere : BTCDJS: is it not just a short squeeze?
[2017-02-27 19:30:08] rapidtrades : im not sure if ETF approval is good for traders
[2017-02-27 19:30:12] rapidtrades : for hodlers sure
[2017-02-27 19:30:28] itsyourboy : MikeHunt: what platform do you buy your gold on out of interest, Mike?
[2017-02-27 19:30:33] rapidtrades : but it could bring institutional money and i like it the way it is
[2017-02-27 19:30:33] MikeHunt : atm we are in a big ascending triangle
[2017-02-27 19:30:40] BTCDJS : dono. Let's speculate more or have a pro tell us what they think *cough sleger*
[2017-02-27 19:30:45] rapidtrades : betting against stupid retail
[2017-02-27 19:30:45] MikeHunt : itsyourboy: i buy physical
[2017-02-27 19:30:50] MikeHunt : not IOUs
[2017-02-27 19:31:24] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: every ape in btc should be able to capitalize an ETF approval
[2017-02-27 19:31:28] wurstgelee : cept all in shorts ofc
[2017-02-27 19:31:39] rapidtrades : only initially
[2017-02-27 19:31:44] wurstgelee : yes ofc
[2017-02-27 19:32:03] wurstgelee : needs reevalutation after the expected initial madness
[2017-02-27 19:32:04] rapidtrades : right now its like 90% retail here prolly
[2017-02-27 19:32:05] BTCDJS : /price
[2017-02-27 19:32:07] wurstgelee : but it should be grreat fun
[2017-02-27 19:32:07] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1190.51 (-0.13%) Bitfinex : 1194.90 (0.00%) The Woodchipper : 1186.74 (-0.02%) itBit : 1193.22 (0.00%) Kraken : 1193.10 (0.00%) GDAX : 1195.89 (0.04%) Last query : 427 Seconds ago.```
[2017-02-27 19:32:30] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: you make retails sound like its something bad :p
[2017-02-27 19:32:31] BTCDJS : /sentiment
[2017-02-27 19:32:34] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 57.76 / 42.24 Daily : 52.76 / 47.24 Weekly : 48.28 / 51.72 Monthly : 48.21 / 51.79```
[2017-02-27 19:32:35] wurstgelee : *retail
[2017-02-27 19:32:50] rapidtrades : like i said, i want it to stay that way
[2017-02-27 19:32:58] rapidtrades : its dumb money
[2017-02-27 19:33:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `DASH7D`: buy 41 @ 0.023636
[2017-02-27 19:33:40] wurstgelee : institutional investment and rising bitcoin would pull in loads of retailers
[2017-02-27 19:33:47] wurstgelee : LOADS
[2017-02-27 19:33:53] wurstgelee : so we are fine either way
[2017-02-27 19:33:54] wurstgelee : imo
[2017-02-27 19:34:02] MikeHunt : wurstgelee: big bubble preceeding recession
[2017-02-27 19:34:20] MikeHunt : wurstgelee: public investors would be like shrimp to a whale
[2017-02-27 19:34:25] wurstgelee : if only there was a way to make profit in bear markets....
[2017-02-27 19:34:28] wurstgelee : :D
[2017-02-27 19:34:48] wurstgelee : MikeHunt: 99% of all btc traders are shrimp to the upper 1%
[2017-02-27 19:34:51] wurstgelee : or upper .1%
[2017-02-27 19:34:55] wurstgelee : still it works
[2017-02-27 19:35:04] MikeHunt : wurstgelee: i dont think public investors are aware of how manipulated btc is
[2017-02-27 19:35:06] laisee : whale krill, more likely ...
[2017-02-27 19:35:22] wurstgelee : MikeHunt: and u think this is different from stocks or forex?
[2017-02-27 19:35:30] wurstgelee : laisee: that :)
[2017-02-27 19:35:37] rapidtrades : yes cos those ppl go to jail
[2017-02-27 19:35:42] carl : I think we're all whales
[2017-02-27 19:35:43] carl : In our own way
[2017-02-27 19:35:51] rapidtrades : u saw what finex did and there's still no reaction from anyone
[2017-02-27 19:35:51] carl : even you, rapid
[2017-02-27 19:35:58] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: so murder doesnt happen to? or robbery? because u go in jail for it?
[2017-02-27 19:36:00] MikeHunt : wurstgelee: with stocks/forex its more predictable/transparent + what @rapidtrades said
[2017-02-27 19:36:02] wurstgelee : *too
[2017-02-27 19:36:02] rapidtrades : u think that shit would fly in forex?
[2017-02-27 19:36:04] laisee : plenty of whaling, fo' sure
[2017-02-27 19:36:24] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: no, ofc not
[2017-02-27 19:36:30] wurstgelee : not that kind of bullshit
[2017-02-27 19:36:43] rapidtrades : they traded on their own exchange
[2017-02-27 19:36:48] wurstgelee : more sophisticated approaches....
[2017-02-27 19:36:55] laisee : when wall st steals it steals big ... 2008
[2017-02-27 19:36:57] wurstgelee : timing manipulation for example ;)
[2017-02-27 19:36:59] rapidtrades : its why FXCM got major finex recently and had to shut down
[2017-02-27 19:37:07] rapidtrades : major fines *
[2017-02-27 19:37:07] MikeHunt : laisee: what did they steal?
[2017-02-27 19:37:19] laisee : everything
[2017-02-27 19:37:25] MikeHunt : laisee: be more clear
[2017-02-27 19:37:32] BTCDJS : MikeHunt: money, souls etc etc
[2017-02-27 19:37:39] wurstgelee : wall street fucked up, tax payer bailed them out?
[2017-02-27 19:37:43] wurstgelee : that kind of stealing?
[2017-02-27 19:37:52] MikeHunt : wurstgelee: wall st. made a gamble and they won
[2017-02-27 19:37:52] rapidtrades : i think on long-term manipulation doesn't matter but short-term its possible
[2017-02-27 19:37:53] laisee : check how Goldman S got made whole on their AIG exposure. 100% payout
[2017-02-27 19:37:56] BTCDJS : MikeHunt: 2008 dude
[2017-02-27 19:38:03] wurstgelee : laisee: yes
[2017-02-27 19:38:07] MikeHunt : BTCDJS: 2008 was a gamble that paid off big time
[2017-02-27 19:38:13] carl : Everythings fucking manipulated, btc is just less regulated than the big institutions
[2017-02-27 19:38:17] laisee : around 14B on that trade alone
[2017-02-27 19:38:20] wurstgelee : carl: that
[2017-02-27 19:38:23] wurstgelee : exactly
[2017-02-27 19:38:26] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: afaik FXCM is still running
[2017-02-27 19:38:29] MikeHunt : you cant blame retardation of the state on private companies
[2017-02-27 19:38:36] rapidtrades : Apocalyptic: nope
[2017-02-27 19:39:14] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: how come there is nothing on their website
[2017-02-27 19:39:25] rapidtrades : https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/FXCM?p=FXCM
[2017-02-27 19:39:39] gustavo7 : weird i was calmly clicking trough the contracts and got a 429 you make to many requests
[2017-02-27 19:41:32] rapidtrades : Apocalyptic: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-06/alert-largest-us-forex-broker-fxcm-shut-down-and-permanently-banned-nfa
[2017-02-27 19:43:30] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: I see
[2017-02-27 19:45:04] sleger : rapidtrades: @Apocalyptic https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:GLBR
[2017-02-27 19:45:17] sleger : it's only a ticker change
[2017-02-27 19:46:06] rapidtrades : they're pretty much destroyed, banned from USA with bunch of lawsuits coming
[2017-02-27 19:47:08] Rado : rapidtrades: what did they do?
[2017-02-27 19:47:17] MikeHunt : Rado: trading against own customers iirc
[2017-02-27 19:47:20] rapidtrades : its in the link
[2017-02-27 19:47:55] Rado : that's pretty bad
[2017-02-27 19:48:23] sleger : trading agaisnt customers isnt bad, every broker in fx does it
[2017-02-27 19:48:45] rapidtrades : not every no
[2017-02-27 19:49:27] sleger : who doesnt ?
[2017-02-27 19:49:31] rapidtrades : they claimed a NDD while running their own mm on their ECN
[2017-02-27 19:50:01] rapidtrades : sleger: there are two types of accounts, ECN and dealing desk, so tons of broker offer passing on orders
[2017-02-27 19:50:19] rapidtrades : the bigger brokers offer both options
[2017-02-27 19:50:36] sleger : oanda, gain are only dealing desk afaij
[2017-02-27 19:50:58] rapidtrades : oanda yes
[2017-02-27 19:51:16] rapidtrades : fxcm claimed to be ecn tho
[2017-02-27 19:51:45] sleger : I was just responding to what Rado said, and that trading against customers in itself isnt bad
[2017-02-27 19:52:04] rapidtrades : they had bunch of banks bidding on their platforms while their MM had the most volume and had last look
[2017-02-27 19:52:15] rapidtrades : also it won all ties
[2017-02-27 19:52:29] rapidtrades : so its pretty bad
[2017-02-27 19:53:31] shiroe : tuesday break out? lol
[2017-02-27 19:54:56] picasso : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3uhA4Bf7ck
[2017-02-27 19:55:07] picasso : to the moon !!
[2017-02-27 19:56:47] -_- : dang i missed that ETH dip
[2017-02-27 19:57:08] gustavo7 : stop hunters?
[2017-02-27 19:59:05] Ahhere : -_-: ETH going much higher
[2017-02-27 20:01:43] -_- : maybe not today or tomorrow
[2017-02-27 20:01:46] -_- : but next month for sure
[2017-02-27 20:03:22] seaplusplus : bitmex: my position is not showing on the chart. I have tried reset/enable/disable and refresh
[2017-02-27 20:03:23] seaplusplus : any idea
[2017-02-27 20:03:43] seaplusplus : my orders show...most of the time
[2017-02-27 20:03:50] Tetsuo : uncheck hidden order
[2017-02-27 20:04:00] seaplusplus : not checked
[2017-02-27 20:04:14] seaplusplus : I have an open positon I used to be able to see on the chart
[2017-02-27 20:04:44] Tetsuo : ah chart , i thought orderbook
[2017-02-27 20:04:48] Apocalyptic : rapidtrades: next funding looking to be sweet
[2017-02-27 20:06:23] sleger : https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/meet-the-two-sec-commissioners-tasked-with-the-historical-bitcoin-etf-decision/
[2017-02-27 20:06:26] sleger : looks bullish
[2017-02-27 20:08:55] BitMEX_Greg : seaplusplus: Can you take a screenshot and send to us?
[2017-02-27 20:09:39] seaplusplus : http://imgur.com/a/LdXpK
[2017-02-27 20:09:50] seaplusplus : you can see where/what my order is
[2017-02-27 20:10:03] seaplusplus : I mean position
[2017-02-27 20:10:05] BitMEX_Greg : seaplusplus: Ok thanks, I'll bring it up with Sam
[2017-02-27 20:10:06] seaplusplus : not order
[2017-02-27 20:10:22] seaplusplus : order and index price overlay work fine
[2017-02-27 20:11:02] BitMEX_Greg : Ok thanks for the info
[2017-02-27 20:11:10] BitMEX_Greg : Will get back to you soon
[2017-02-27 20:11:18] seaplusplus : thanks
[2017-02-27 20:13:39] MikeHunt : sleger: if ETF passes you think ETH will suffer?
[2017-02-27 20:13:44] MikeHunt : or maintain pace with btc?
[2017-02-27 20:14:06] sleger : at first maybe lose a bit in $ terms, more in btc terms
[2017-02-27 20:14:36] Ahhere : its getting a bit boring being a bull tbh.
[2017-02-27 20:14:56] Ahhere : etf or crash cant come soon enough
[2017-02-27 20:15:14] MikeHunt : Ahhere: bored of making $?
[2017-02-27 20:16:39] Ahhere : MikeHunt: yeah doesnt feel like work
[2017-02-27 20:17:01] Ahhere : needs more crashes
[2017-02-27 20:17:02] shiroe : why eth is rising?
[2017-02-27 20:17:20] Tetsuo : moonsoon
[2017-02-27 20:17:31] Tetsuo : also people buying
[2017-02-27 20:17:51] sleger : eth was undervalued, its fundamental value is closer to 500$/eth
[2017-02-27 20:17:59] sleger : that's why its going up
[2017-02-27 20:18:21] sleger : /joke
[2017-02-27 20:18:36] Farzad : /price
[2017-02-27 20:18:40] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1192.17 (0.14%) Bitfinex : 1194.90 (0.00%) The Woodchipper : 1186.60 (-0.01%) itBit : 1193.81 (0.05%) Kraken : 1192.76 (-0.03%) GDAX : 1193.99 (-0.16%) Last query : 2793 Seconds ago.```
[2017-02-27 20:18:44] trollbot : ``` A CNN reporter walks into a White House press meeting [removed]```
[2017-02-27 20:18:47] Hede : Lets make it million while we through random numbers out in the open
[2017-02-27 20:18:47] Apocalyptic : sleger: surely you meant $50 ?
[2017-02-27 20:18:58] sleger : Apocalyptic: apologies, I meant 5000$
[2017-02-27 20:19:08] Apocalyptic : lol, typical sleger
[2017-02-27 20:21:05] Tetsuo : i converted 15k LTC to ETH in the last days
[2017-02-27 20:21:11] sleger : more seriously, bitcoin wont be used as the internet money, it's just store of value / large money transfers because of how it works
[2017-02-27 20:21:16] sleger : fees etc
[2017-02-27 20:21:27] Apocalyptic : sleger: I see it as a settlement layer too
[2017-02-27 20:21:33] sleger : eth will be the computer's money with no fees once POS is there
[2017-02-27 20:21:42] sleger : plus all smart dapps etc
[2017-02-27 20:21:45] Apocalyptic : not the VISA-like payment network people someone think it is
[2017-02-27 20:22:03] Apocalyptic : *somehow
[2017-02-27 20:24:12] gustavo7 : wth
[2017-02-27 20:24:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 250 @ 1188.33
[2017-02-27 20:24:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 2 @ 1187.37 :punch: :whale:
[2017-02-27 20:24:37] Apocalyptic : gustavo7: you rekt ?
[2017-02-27 20:24:43] Hede : I think all cryptos will remain as "curiosity". Banks already have "smart money"
[2017-02-27 20:24:55] -_- : dang ETH breaking up
[2017-02-27 20:24:59] -_- : wish i didnt close that long
[2017-02-27 20:25:01] gustavo7 : Apocalyptic: nope hedged only
[2017-02-27 20:25:01] Tetsuo : ETH crashing upwards
[2017-02-27 20:25:22] Tetsuo : byebye slow bitkorners
[2017-02-27 20:25:34] -_- : ETH > BTC
[2017-02-27 20:25:39] MikeHunt : looking at SEO commisioners you have a democrat and an obama apointee
[2017-02-27 20:25:39] Tetsuo : ^^^^ ^^
[2017-02-27 20:25:40] -_- : companies picking ETH.
[2017-02-27 20:25:46] Tetsuo : -_-: ^^^ ^^^
[2017-02-27 20:25:49] -_- : BTC bagholders hoping Winkletwins save them
[2017-02-27 20:25:53] sleger : sleger picked ETH
[2017-02-27 20:26:06] MikeHunt : think i might buy some eth, good hedge against btc etf fail
[2017-02-27 20:26:16] rapidtrades : problem bulls?
[2017-02-27 20:26:26] Ahhere : anybody here got more eth than btc?
[2017-02-27 20:26:34] Apocalyptic : Ahhere: sleger prolly
[2017-02-27 20:26:52] Ahhere : dollar value i mean
[2017-02-27 20:27:09] sleger : well i have more btc but its hedged, whereas my eth isnt
[2017-02-27 20:27:58] -_- : oh i have a suggestion
[2017-02-27 20:28:06] -_- : BitMEX_Greg: make the popups semi transparent
[2017-02-27 20:28:16] Tetsuo : i support that
[2017-02-27 20:28:26] abbey : rapidtrades: no problemo, quite opposite
[2017-02-27 20:28:32] -_- : i like my chat bottom right side but the popups cover chat
[2017-02-27 20:30:09] MikeHunt : sleger: if etf fails do you think Eth can still reach ~$500 ?
[2017-02-27 20:30:12] cryptillian : mtfd
[2017-02-27 20:30:14] Ahhere : why do i get the feeling btc ath is happening tonight...
[2017-02-27 20:30:28] sleger : MikeHunt: it was a joke dummy
[2017-02-27 20:31:58] BTCDJS : WTF? Im having dejavu
[2017-02-27 20:32:32] Ahhere : BTCDJS: its not deja vu the universe reruns
[2017-02-27 20:32:56] BTCDJS : must be a glitch in the matrix
[2017-02-27 20:33:29] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: no, btfd, all fine. thanks for caring
[2017-02-27 20:34:15] JT : thou shall buyeth the dip
[2017-02-27 20:35:09] MikeHunt : 0.07 mEth/btc looks possible if btc crashes
[2017-02-27 20:35:15] MikeHunt : using idiot wave theory
[2017-02-27 20:35:38] wurstgelee : define crash
[2017-02-27 20:35:48] wurstgelee : $300?
[2017-02-27 20:35:49] MikeHunt : wurstgelee: i think if etf fails 1k will hold
[2017-02-27 20:36:00] MikeHunt : depends how many dump
[2017-02-27 20:36:08] MikeHunt : if willy twins dump we might have a problem
[2017-02-27 20:36:13] BitMEX_Greg : -_-: Will bring it up to the other guys
[2017-02-27 20:36:49] wurstgelee : yay, i can change tabs without greying out buttons again :)
[2017-02-27 20:36:59] -_- : I'm sure ETH whales will load up on a BTC ETF failure
[2017-02-27 20:37:08] Tetsuo : i fear that i might get ADL´d on ETH this week :-(
[2017-02-27 20:37:22] -_- : are you that bullish
[2017-02-27 20:37:26] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: still waiting for that bloodbath i see? ;)
[2017-02-27 20:37:38] -_- : or are you shorting ETH like a mofo
[2017-02-27 20:37:41] wurstgelee : -_-: no, he awaits btc bloodbath
[2017-02-27 20:37:44] -_- : ready for the no news crash
[2017-02-27 20:38:00] wurstgelee : at least i think he still does :)
[2017-02-27 20:38:13] wurstgelee : -_-: no news is approval tho?
[2017-02-27 20:38:14] Tetsuo : no i´m long ETH
[2017-02-27 20:38:28] MikeHunt : eth will do well even btc does sky rocket
[2017-02-27 20:38:29] -_- : for BTC yeah but that is still many days away
[2017-02-27 20:38:29] Tetsuo : also a bit short btc usd of course, always will
[2017-02-27 20:38:44] MikeHunt : eth is the train for ppl late to the bitcoin bubble, like me lol
[2017-02-27 20:38:50] wurstgelee : Tetsuo: that makes you rapidtrades light
[2017-02-27 20:38:52] wurstgelee : 8)
[2017-02-27 20:39:16] MikeHunt : if charlie wins the ltc civil war then thats very bullish for ltc
[2017-02-27 20:39:21] Tetsuo : it´s fine for me, i´m feelin good beein a bear right now
[2017-02-27 20:40:15] Ahhere : MikeHunt: is ltc segwit controversial? i thought it was pretty much a guarantee?
[2017-02-27 20:41:18] MikeHunt : Ahhere: basically it might end up like chinese civil war, rich capitalist miners vs poor peasants wanting new stuff/cheaper transactions
[2017-02-27 20:41:28] MikeHunt : commie peasants*
[2017-02-27 20:41:43] Ahhere : sooo like bitcoin then? @MikeHunt
[2017-02-27 20:41:58] MikeHunt : Ahhere: yup, but charlie is a strong leader imo, btc has no real leader
[2017-02-27 20:42:09] MikeHunt : hence i think btc civil war will be bloodier
[2017-02-27 20:43:15] MikeHunt : and it may not survive it...
[2017-02-27 20:43:16] MikeHunt : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/BbY68ENA-Bitcoin-UPSIDE-DOWN/
[2017-02-27 20:44:03] Tetsuo : shortin h17 >1230 feels good, "short the fuckin top" bitcoiners
[2017-02-27 20:44:04] mtourig3 : MikeHunt: why did you inverse it?
[2017-02-27 20:44:20] Ahhere : lol 1/bitcoin makes me expect a bounce @MikeHunt
[2017-02-27 20:44:52] Ahhere : eth just raping the charts
[2017-02-27 20:45:03] MikeHunt : mtourig3: i didnt, someone else did, but its scary? doomporn...yum
[2017-02-27 20:45:23] Tetsuo : mega bulltrend for ETH in front of us
[2017-02-27 20:45:40] -_- : damn
[2017-02-27 20:45:47] -_- : why didnt i keep any of my low longs open
[2017-02-27 20:45:51] hmmmYea : Tetsuo: why?
[2017-02-27 20:45:53] MikeHunt : Ahhere: i think only ETF can send it through that, otherwise back down
[2017-02-27 20:45:58] -_- : was longing just above 0.012 like a madman
[2017-02-27 20:46:26] MikeHunt : Tetsuo: cant wait to go into the street, "I BOUGHT SOME (m)ETH WHEN IT WAS CHEAP"
[2017-02-27 20:46:46] MikeHunt : arrest in 3..2..1
[2017-02-27 20:47:06] Tetsuo : 1w looks bullish AF
[2017-02-27 20:47:09] BTCDJS : https://twitter.com/bbands/status/836316048949297152
[2017-02-27 20:47:40] Ahhere : BTCDJS: does he mention bitcoin ?
[2017-02-27 20:48:31] BTCDJS : no just talking about why stock market is still bullish from obamas time inspite of trump