This is a mirror of the original BitMEX trollbox archive that used to be online here.
BitMEX disabled their archive after the DDOS attack so I have decided to make my mirror publicly available.

Well now, a few days after I made this mirror available to the public, the original archive from BitMEX is online again.
But since it is still limited (neutered to the last few hundred messages) I will keep my FULL mirror alive.

You have access to more than 50 million trollbox posts. This is more than 7 gigabyte of data hosted on a $5 server so please be patient or consider a donation

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[2017-02-27 06:06:33] .. : getting tense here
[2017-02-27 06:06:35] mahouni : going down?
[2017-02-27 06:06:40] elmorte : Yeah, he's also full into govt conspiracies n shit
[2017-02-27 06:06:51] MikeHunt : elmorte: u from mexico?
[2017-02-27 06:06:55] .. : so guys, about 9/11
[2017-02-27 06:07:04] elmorte : MikeHunt: yes
[2017-02-27 06:07:13] ThruTheFloor : elmorte: The only thing I'm doing is discussing the current scenario and plausible outcomes, just because it doesnt match your deluded permabull moon fantasy is not my problem
[2017-02-27 06:07:20] ThruTheFloor : Go kys homo
[2017-02-27 06:07:23] MikeHunt : elmorte: surely government corruption should be 101 for mexicans?
[2017-02-27 06:07:37] ThruTheFloor : ^ This
[2017-02-27 06:07:52] MikeHunt : elmorte: unless u mexican't ? lol
[2017-02-27 06:07:57] elmorte : permabull...heh...we should just replace bull/bear with libtards/trum_ptards and you get the youtube discourse
[2017-02-27 06:08:10] MikeHunt : elmorte: u mad about wall?
[2017-02-27 06:08:24] MikeHunt : elmorte: cant rape and pillage ne more?
[2017-02-27 06:08:29] ThruTheFloor : elmorte: Exactly the same. Bears like conservatives are at least realistic
[2017-02-27 06:08:40] elmorte : MikeHunt: dude if you've been here long enough, you'd know where I'm from
[2017-02-27 06:08:52] elmorte : ThruTheFloor: haaa
[2017-02-27 06:08:53] ThruTheFloor : elmorte: No one cares where you're from
[2017-02-27 06:08:53] MikeHunt : elmorte: u said...mexico?
[2017-02-27 06:09:03] elmorte : MikeHunt: you believe the internet?
[2017-02-27 06:09:16] MikeHunt : elmorte: so ur from north mexico...
[2017-02-27 06:09:17] mahouni : Mike sure as a british person you know how to peddle with kids kind of corruption ;)
[2017-02-27 06:09:19] .. : lets break that 1178 wall, let the mexican pay for it! short,short
[2017-02-27 06:09:22] ThruTheFloor : elmorte: Just care about the stupid bullshit spewing out of your filthy mexican mouth
[2017-02-27 06:09:37] elmorte : ThruTheFloor: >[14:06] MikeHunt: elmorte: u from mexico?
[2017-02-27 06:09:38] MikeHunt : mahouni: thats entirely reserved for our elite
[2017-02-27 06:09:49] rapidtrades : ThruTheFloor: take it easy bro
[2017-02-27 06:09:56] elmorte : rapidtrades: nah, let him...
[2017-02-27 06:10:05] ThruTheFloor : rapidtrades: He started it...
[2017-02-27 06:10:07] elmorte : He's a tard, let him prove it
[2017-02-27 06:10:25] MikeHunt : let these two fight, got nothing else to do
[2017-02-27 06:10:46] javierstone : the night trollbox turned into a saloon
[2017-02-27 06:11:01] mahouni : :D LET THE BOTTLES FLY!
[2017-02-27 06:11:33] arbitrage101 : well, i buy some on the dip
[2017-02-27 06:11:39] arbitrage101 : should be glad
[2017-02-27 06:11:47] .. : always fun a trollbox fight, whats next topic, scaling debate?
[2017-02-27 06:11:59] javierstone : jerusalem
[2017-02-27 06:12:11] InvalidUser : ..: lol good one
[2017-02-27 06:12:15] ThruTheFloor : ..: No, this is clearly a political debate and tech shilling forum
[2017-02-27 06:12:37] javierstone : things mikehunt dad says forum
[2017-02-27 06:12:55] MikeHunt : javierstone: lol wuut?
[2017-02-27 06:13:38] javierstone : ur like a weird lil midget clone of things your baby boomer dad says
[2017-02-27 06:14:02] MikeHunt : javierstone: no?
[2017-02-27 06:14:07] javierstone : yes
[2017-02-27 06:14:07] .. : shiiiiii
[2017-02-27 06:14:30] MikeHunt : javierstone: u need to see dr lexus... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFfTludf0SU&t=25s
[2017-02-27 06:21:11] arbitrage101 : bot has been running for almost a day
[2017-02-27 06:21:15] arbitrage101 : 0 volume lol
[2017-02-27 06:24:37] elmorte : arbitrage101: your bot?
[2017-02-27 06:24:59] arbitrage101 : modified version of MM bot from bitmex
[2017-02-27 06:25:26] arbitrage101 : guess the dump wasnt volatile enough
[2017-02-27 06:25:30] arbitrage101 : or rally
[2017-02-27 06:26:06] elmorte : ah nice, at least you got it to work
[2017-02-27 06:26:17] elmorte : hosting on your computer or on a server?
[2017-02-27 06:26:31] arbitrage101 : this laptop lol
[2017-02-27 06:26:38] elmorte : :)
[2017-02-27 06:27:20] arbitrage101 : the new os from windows is really shitty
[2017-02-27 06:27:35] arbitrage101 : this old laptop run faster than my new dell
[2017-02-27 06:27:38] arbitrage101 : core i5
[2017-02-27 06:28:16] Rado : arbitrage101: ur problem is that you are still using Windows
[2017-02-27 06:28:20] elmorte : how old is the dell? Win10 does all sorts of updates in the beginning which bogs it down
[2017-02-27 06:28:38] elmorte : Rado: :p some of us still have 'office' jobs
[2017-02-27 06:29:20] Rado : You can do everything on a MAC
[2017-02-27 06:29:31] elmorte : oh, I thought you meant linux
[2017-02-27 06:30:08] arbitrage101 : mac too expensive
[2017-02-27 06:30:17] Rado : why the huge volume an hour ago?
[2017-02-27 06:30:24] ThruTheFloor : arbitrage101: Hackintosh
[2017-02-27 06:30:39] Rado : arbitrage101: I bought a refurbished one from Apple website
[2017-02-27 06:30:44] Rado : saved $350
[2017-02-27 06:31:11] elmorte : You can get a i7 for $350 where arb is from
[2017-02-27 06:31:31] elmorte : and add another $200 for SSD
[2017-02-27 06:32:55] arbitrage101 : elmorte: have link?
[2017-02-27 06:34:08] zanza : Intel is old tech
[2017-02-27 06:34:21] zanza : AMD Ryzen best
[2017-02-27 06:34:36] InvalidUser : The new AMD stuff is out in a few days
[2017-02-27 06:34:52] ThruTheFloor : zanza: @InvalidUser gtfo AMD shills
[2017-02-27 06:35:17] InvalidUser : ThruTheFloor: Ok then,, I guess you like Intel
[2017-02-27 06:35:44] ThruTheFloor : InvalidUser: I'm not Indian, or poor, so that's my only option.
[2017-02-27 06:36:49] elmorte : arbitrage101: just lazada laptop i7
[2017-02-27 06:36:57] elmorte : Otherwise, low yat is your friend
[2017-02-27 06:37:04] arbitrage101 : ok
[2017-02-27 06:37:21] elmorte : http://www.hardwarezone.com.my/priceLists
[2017-02-27 06:39:01] elmorte : ThruTheFloor: sorry about the name calling
[2017-02-27 06:40:31] ThruTheFloor : elmorte: I'm sorry too, got a bit carried away
[2017-02-27 06:40:49] elmorte : :thumbsup: It happens
[2017-02-27 06:41:01] ThruTheFloor : :D
[2017-02-27 06:41:47] InvalidUser : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ9dtZ8lYww
[2017-02-27 06:45:17] InvalidUser : Chicken on Microsoft
[2017-02-27 06:45:43] InvalidUser : ?
[2017-02-27 07:16:35] cookielito : elmorte: pirobo
[2017-02-27 07:17:55] elmorte : que pasa
[2017-02-27 07:28:16] GerryHYH : Hey guys
[2017-02-27 07:28:32] GerryHYH : How do I selection FIX margin instead of Cross margin?
[2017-02-27 07:35:57] BitMEX_John : GerryHYH: you can use the leverage slider in the right hand panel, drag it from cross to your desired leverage
[2017-02-27 07:36:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 30 @ 0.012280
[2017-02-27 07:36:38] BitMEX_John : GerryHYH: you can also click the small 'write' icon next to it to manually type out a levergae
[2017-02-27 07:36:58] GerryHYH : Hmmm, ok
[2017-02-27 07:37:00] GerryHYH : ahhh Ok John
[2017-02-27 07:37:15] GerryHYH : so in cross margin, my DEFAULT leverage is actually 100x for XBT/USD
[2017-02-27 07:37:51] BitMEX_John : GerryHYH: when you have cross margin selected your entire available balance is used as margin
[2017-02-27 07:38:44] BitMEX_John : GerryHYH: you can use the calculator tool to model different scenarios - especially in the 'liquidation price' tab you can see how cross and isolated leverage will effect your liquidation price
[2017-02-27 07:39:56] GerryHYH : Thanks John, very helpful already :) but
[2017-02-27 07:40:06] GerryHYH : what leverage would i be trading under cross margin, 100x I'm guesssing?
[2017-02-27 07:41:22] BitMEX_John : GerryHYH: no it's not 100x, cross is very different because you are putting your entire available balance up as margin
[2017-02-27 07:41:32] BitMEX_John : GerryHYH: it's set dynamically as you buy and sell contracts
[2017-02-27 07:41:47] BitMEX_John : GerryHYH: it also factors in all your positions across different contracts
[2017-02-27 07:42:50] GerryHYH : I see I see, yes I get ya
[2017-02-27 07:44:15] BitMEX_John : GerryHYH: we also have a page here which goes into more detail - https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2017-02-27 07:44:16] GerryHYH : let's say I have 1 BTC in BitMEX
[2017-02-27 07:44:24] GerryHYH : ahh ok, I read that first, thanks John
[2017-02-27 07:44:44] BitMEX_John : GerryHYH: no dramas, if you still need more help after that feel free to ask more questions :)
[2017-02-27 07:46:11] Ugly_Old_Goat : Woo! Just out!! Great video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdyIJ-BUPaU
[2017-02-27 07:50:51] rangle : too long, is it worth it?
[2017-02-27 07:52:59] elmorte : yeah, they do a hard fork at the end
[2017-02-27 07:54:08] .. : I switched it off after a while, Ver keeps ranting about "new people" as if all those Core developers joined bitcoin last year lol, and Tone isn't exactly saying the best arguments either
[2017-02-27 07:54:39] longbydefault : goat: i just watched that too
[2017-02-27 07:54:42] longbydefault : goat: what are your thoughts?
[2017-02-27 07:54:58] longbydefault : i think ver won...
[2017-02-27 08:03:45] Ugly_Old_Goat : longbydefault: I thought Tone won on substance, Ver on passion points
[2017-02-27 08:04:33] Ugly_Old_Goat : longbydefault: I am in Acapulco and will be talking with both tomorrow.
[2017-02-27 08:06:43] Ugly_Old_Goat : longbydefault: Personally I believe Roger Ver is very mistaken. I only wish Tone would have nailed him on exactly what is wrong with segwit. Because Ver admits there is nothing wrong with it.
[2017-02-27 08:09:29] Ugly_Old_Goat : longbydefault: Also, Ver is is hardly censored. He is simply left out on one forum no one pays much attention too. That is not censorship. Again, without mentioning a hardfork, bitcoin unlimited, or his desire for large blocks what is wrong with segwit?
[2017-02-27 08:10:18] Ugly_Old_Goat : When nailed Ver admits nothing is wrong with it
[2017-02-27 08:11:38] longbydefault : Ugly_Old_Goat: i think what ver is saying is that segwit is a temporary solution... it doesn't fix the transaction cost issue... anyway... please tell us more when you get back from acapulco
[2017-02-27 08:12:06] longbydefault : Ugly_Old_Goat: i just don't like that ver is 'hated' by many in the forums... he seems like he cares for bitcoin
[2017-02-27 08:12:19] longbydefault : Ugly_Old_Goat: you think a hard fork is inevitable?
[2017-02-27 08:12:59] longbydefault : Ugly_Old_Goat: what is wrong with BU? yeah that wasn't addressed
[2017-02-27 08:14:09] Ugly_Old_Goat : longbydefault: Yes, no argument temporary and proven on testnet and safe
[2017-02-27 08:16:09] Ugly_Old_Goat : Yes, Ver is passionate and passionately mistaken
[2017-02-27 08:16:36] Ugly_Old_Goat : He is not hated, but he his exasperating many
[2017-02-27 08:17:23] Ugly_Old_Goat : No, hardfork not inevitable. There are off chain solutions. I am working on one.
[2017-02-27 08:17:33] longbydefault : why is he mistaken? can you link to an article for my understanding...
[2017-02-27 08:18:09] longbydefault : Ugly_Old_Goat: ok great... off chain solutions... i'm ok with that too... but what if lightning exists but there are 100$ transaction fees?
[2017-02-27 08:20:01] longbydefault : i just want to understand because segwit fanatics often attack ver personally and do not criticise BU as an idea...
[2017-02-27 08:20:29] longbydefault : Ugly_Old_Goat: by the way i already finished, art of execution... thanks for that
[2017-02-27 08:21:09] zanza : Blockstream Core are pretty corrupt
[2017-02-27 08:21:20] zanza : they have threatened miners with POW algorithm change
[2017-02-27 08:21:27] .. : Blockstream != Core
[2017-02-27 08:21:33] zanza : lol ^ ok
[2017-02-27 08:21:41] zanza : Blockstream controls Core
[2017-02-27 08:21:46] jayesh : If HF happens, BU will just be an Altcoin like every other forks that BTC had..
[2017-02-27 08:21:48] zanza : but yes they may be differenct
[2017-02-27 08:22:18] .. : what does "control" even mean, did you ever go to their github or you dont know what github is?
[2017-02-27 08:22:25] zanza : Blockstream is now saying that "mining cartel can't be trusted"
[2017-02-27 08:22:39] zanza : and miners shouldn't control Bitcoin version adoption
[2017-02-27 08:22:47] zanza : because they aren't supporting SegWit now
[2017-02-27 08:22:57] zanza : so now they think it should be "Nodes"
[2017-02-27 08:23:10] zanza : that control software and not miners
[2017-02-27 08:23:26] Farzad : WOW ! dump really happened !?
[2017-02-27 08:23:53] Farzad : $20 dump though
[2017-02-27 08:24:17] zanza : ..: Blockstream wants SegWit at the exclusion of blocksize increase
[2017-02-27 08:24:20] Ugly_Old_Goat : All ttoo complicated to cover here.
[2017-02-27 08:24:27] zanza : Bitcoin fees is really high now and long confirmation lags/delays
[2017-02-27 08:24:34] Farzad : /wall
[2017-02-27 08:24:41] trollbot : ``` Combined order book of 4 major exchanges: Asks: 4859 Ƀ (1.29%) Bids: 3734 Ƀ (26.02%) * ±$30 deviation from the current price.```
[2017-02-27 08:24:47] .. : seems you know a lot about Blockstream
[2017-02-27 08:24:57] zanza : just from their stated position
[2017-02-27 08:25:08] .. : can you link me to that pls ty
[2017-02-27 08:25:32] Ugly_Old_Goat : But segwit should passe and I think will pass, jusst as Winlkles shoulld not pass and will not ;pass
[2017-02-27 08:26:21] .. : almost anyone who opposes segwit is a conspiracy theorist who never looked at github, has no technical experience and no proper arguments
[2017-02-27 08:26:27] .. : "segwit is bad cuz AXA" stfu
[2017-02-27 08:26:38] zanza : ..: you think high fees and slow confirmation time is good ?
[2017-02-27 08:26:51] .. : no, more reason to activate segiwit asap? wtf?
[2017-02-27 08:26:51] zanza : because thats what we have now , full blocks
[2017-02-27 08:26:54] zanza : and skyhigh fees
[2017-02-27 08:27:09] zanza : segwit is only 1.7mb "Effective" blocksize increase
[2017-02-27 08:27:15] longbydefault : segwit does not correct high fees and slow confirmation time... it skirts around the issue
[2017-02-27 08:27:29] zanza : which gives a few months extra at best with bitcoins growth
[2017-02-27 08:27:38] .. : more like 2.1 mb on recent calculations, but yes, nice initial bump and after that safe HF
[2017-02-27 08:27:55] zanza : Blockstream core does not want blocksize increase, simply having 4MB blocks for example
[2017-02-27 08:28:03] .. : Blockstream != Core
[2017-02-27 08:29:43] zanza : SegWit itself technology is OK
[2017-02-27 08:29:44] Ugly_Old_Goat : longbydefault: simplest explaintation is btc is gold. When on godl standard people did not use the gold in commerce it was the standard in commerce. Gold kept banks honest. Bitccoin will keep the offchain solutions honest
[2017-02-27 08:30:01] zanza : Bitcoin is not gold, its a payment system
[2017-02-27 08:30:07] micmix : dumpty is back
[2017-02-27 08:30:11] mahouni : Gold kept bank honest haha
[2017-02-27 08:30:23] mahouni : lol delusions
[2017-02-27 08:30:29] zanza : well, yes gold standard
[2017-02-27 08:30:33] zanza : kept bank honest
[2017-02-27 08:30:44] zanza : well, somewhat
[2017-02-27 08:30:56] zanza : the problem is, people using "Bitcoin is gold" expression now
[2017-02-27 08:31:08] zanza : are people who think it should have high transaction fees, and slow times
[2017-02-27 08:31:08] mahouni : Lol people in power are never honest gold, jellybeans or not, anywhere in world
[2017-02-27 08:31:17] mahouni : Keep reading zerohedge
[2017-02-27 08:31:20] .. : "Segwit is good, but need to block it because Core, Blockstream, AXA, Bildenberg".. great arguments
[2017-02-27 08:31:21] longbydefault : Ugly_Old_Goat: i can accept that scenario... but couldn't we have both? i'm imagining once we have segwit and LN... it would be harder to increase blocksize... since we are just going to be over dependent on off chain solutions
[2017-02-27 08:31:38] longbydefault : but if we do BU first... then we get best of both worlds
[2017-02-27 08:31:59] zanza : ..: Its not that SegWit is bad, its that BLockstream Core wants to cripple bitcoin network
[2017-02-27 08:32:07] zanza : remember HK agreement?
[2017-02-27 08:32:15] .. : great argument again ? wtf, do you read what you say?
[2017-02-27 08:32:16] zanza : SegWit + blocksize increase
[2017-02-27 08:32:49] zanza : Blockstream wants to sell you some tech that isn't even around yet
[2017-02-27 08:33:00] zanza : "Schnorr/LIghtning"
[2017-02-27 08:33:03] Tux26 : longbydefault: exactly
[2017-02-27 08:33:04] .. : if Segwit is good, it should be activated, no matter if Core or my mother made it
[2017-02-27 08:33:24] zanza : the problem is, Blockstream WILL NOT increase blocksize
[2017-02-27 08:33:44] zanza : when the blocks are full
[2017-02-27 08:33:46] .. : how the fuck will they sell an opensource protocol? how will they stop blockchain.infos implementation of thunder?
[2017-02-27 08:33:56] InvalidUser : The blocks are full, the simplest solution is to make the blocks bigger.. Then implement Setwit. There is no reason both can not be done. Also there is not one good reason not to increase the block size
[2017-02-27 08:34:05] zanza : InvalidUser: agreed
[2017-02-27 08:34:17] InvalidUser : Not one person on the planet is asking for 0.5 MB blocks
[2017-02-27 08:34:22] zanza : However Blockstream will not increase blocksize
[2017-02-27 08:34:31] zanza : they WANT the network to be congested and full
[2017-02-27 08:34:32] zanza : and high fees
[2017-02-27 08:34:34] .. : sure, but all his "arguments" are based on idiotic conspiracy theories to block segwit, thats just stupid
[2017-02-27 08:34:38] InvalidUser : Then we will take that choice away from them
[2017-02-27 08:35:13] zanza : ..: what is my conspiracy theory? Is the network not full now?
[2017-02-27 08:35:22] zanza : are the fees not record high?
[2017-02-27 08:35:39] Farzad : /wall
[2017-02-27 08:35:44] zanza : you know Blockstream/Core devs dont see it as a problem at all
[2017-02-27 08:35:44] trollbot : ``` Combined order book of 4 major exchanges: Asks: 4725 Ƀ (-2.76%) Bids: 3411 Ƀ (-8.65%) * ±$30 deviation from the current price.```
[2017-02-27 08:35:46] Ugly_Old_Goat : longbydefault: Yes, possibly both. But BU does not want both. Segwit allows for both if needed. Again, you need to look at how the gold standard operated. Gold was simply the governor to keep banks honest. Just as btc will be the standard to keep off chain solutions honest
[2017-02-27 08:35:57] zanza : they think its good the fees are high, and think the blocks are full becasue "spam"
[2017-02-27 08:36:06] InvalidUser : ..: no one wants to block Segwit.. There are people trying to stop the blocksize from getting bigger
[2017-02-27 08:36:19] .. : zanza seems to be very much against segwit
[2017-02-27 08:36:25] .. : despite saying its "ok"
[2017-02-27 08:36:33] .. : but bad cuz blockstream
[2017-02-27 08:36:46] .. : doesnt make sense? right.
[2017-02-27 08:36:56] zanza : the simplest thing to do now is just increase the blocksize
[2017-02-27 08:37:04] zanza : blocks are full, transactions slow
[2017-02-27 08:37:10] .. : how is a HF more easy than activating segwit?
[2017-02-27 08:37:10] zanza : we can so SegWit also
[2017-02-27 08:37:25] longbydefault : Ugly_Old_Goat: thanks i'll try to read up on it...
[2017-02-27 08:37:27] InvalidUser : One group is saying lets only implement our plan. The other group is saying lets implement all the things
[2017-02-27 08:37:56] .. : other group = Core? right.
[2017-02-27 08:38:09] zanza : ..: here is a question for you. Blockstream is a private company with $80 Million in funding. What is their product?
[2017-02-27 08:38:21] zanza : How are they getting their investors a rerturn ?
[2017-02-27 08:38:26] zanza : whats the busienss plan ?
[2017-02-27 08:38:30] .. : why should I give a fk about that?
[2017-02-27 08:38:43] longbydefault : because it is sketchy...
[2017-02-27 08:38:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 26136 @ 1177.07
[2017-02-27 08:38:54] zanza : You think its just Santa Claus
[2017-02-27 08:38:59] .. : what is sketchy? that from the 100+ core developers a few are also employed by blockstream ?
[2017-02-27 08:38:59] zanza : giving you a nice gift?
[2017-02-27 08:39:25] zanza : Blockstream now is politically controlling the scaling discussion
[2017-02-27 08:39:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 500 @ 1176.36
[2017-02-27 08:39:37] zanza : banning non SegWit from /r/Bitcoi
[2017-02-27 08:39:43] zanza : and bitcointalk.org
[2017-02-27 08:39:46] .. : lol
[2017-02-27 08:39:54] .. : Core = Blockstream = theymos
[2017-02-27 08:39:56] .. : what else ?
[2017-02-27 08:40:20] zanza : Do you disagree that /r/bitcoin banned BU and XT discussiion ?
[2017-02-27 08:40:22] .. : how about you make up arguments and look at the actual solutions/code rather than making connections in your head
[2017-02-27 08:40:26] zanza : is that a conspiracy ?
[2017-02-27 08:40:37] .. : no, thats their moderation policy
[2017-02-27 08:40:54] .. : it is a conspiracy to somehow link that to blockstream
[2017-02-27 08:41:44] zanza : ..: would you be ok with blocksize increase?
[2017-02-27 08:41:53] zanza : max blocksize = 4MB
[2017-02-27 08:41:56] zanza : or something like that
[2017-02-27 08:42:08] .. : yes, I support a safe HF after segwit 100%, if Core will not release it I will make one myself
[2017-02-27 08:42:20] .. : segwit just seems like a nobrainer to do first to me
[2017-02-27 08:42:28] zanza : ok
[2017-02-27 08:42:42] zanza : then I think my opinion is pretty close to you
[2017-02-27 08:42:58] InvalidUser : What ever the blocksize is set to we will run in to the same problem in x amount of time.. It should be unlimited.
[2017-02-27 08:43:04] .. : I also think the majority of Core developers and supporters think the same
[2017-02-27 08:43:18] .. : I dont think we should let 5 mining pool operators decide the size though
[2017-02-27 08:43:21] zanza : ..: Gregory Maxwell doesn't
[2017-02-27 08:43:23] zanza : or Adam Back
[2017-02-27 08:43:26] InvalidUser : BTC was built by Satoshi with an unlimited block size
[2017-02-27 08:43:33] .. : I am very confident they want a HF after segwit too
[2017-02-27 08:43:53] .. : I could find some sources (reddit posts etc) where they state that, but too lazy
[2017-02-27 08:43:59] zanza : there is no Core roadmap for blocksize increase at all
[2017-02-27 08:44:11] InvalidUser : /\
[2017-02-27 08:44:24] zanza : they are basically saying Lighting and 2nd layer solution
[2017-02-27 08:44:29] zanza : is going to solve all the problem
[2017-02-27 08:44:40] .. : true, the idea is "lets see how segwit (= bigger blocksizes) gets handled by the network, then decide how to increase it".. seems safe/scientific
[2017-02-27 08:44:42] InvalidUser : It does not work with there biz plan to increase the block size
[2017-02-27 08:45:05] .. : conspiracy theory, LN = opensource protocol, I dont see how they can earn much from that
[2017-02-27 08:45:11] zanza : ..: I wish that was true, but their current stated position is the fees are fine
[2017-02-27 08:45:15] .. : if they ask money for it, ill just use thunder thats based on LN
[2017-02-27 08:45:20] zanza : they even think fees should be HIGHER
[2017-02-27 08:45:37] .. : you keep saying "they" as if 100 Core developers all think the same, they dont
[2017-02-27 08:45:59] .. : just Luke has an extreme view from time to time that gets portrayed as "Core's opinion".. doenst make it true
[2017-02-27 08:46:14] zanza : I'm leading out Luke, because he wants a blocksize decrease
[2017-02-27 08:46:19] InvalidUser : AXA the largest insurance company in the world did not invest millions into Blockstream for charity..
[2017-02-27 08:46:19] zanza : leaving out *
[2017-02-27 08:46:50] InvalidUser : http://www.coindesk.com/blockstream-55-million-series-a/
[2017-02-27 08:47:09] .. : lol, you must be delusional to think thats somehow an argument for anything
[2017-02-27 08:49:38] zanza : ..: I hope most SegWit supporters have your same viewpoint
[2017-02-27 08:50:26] zanza : and in the future if Blocksize increase is needed it will happen
[2017-02-27 08:50:32] .. : from my perspective I am confident they do
[2017-02-27 08:50:51] .. : the "$100 tx fees are fine" are extremists imo
[2017-02-27 08:51:14] zanza : there is definitely a power struggle now with miners/developers
[2017-02-27 08:51:33] zanza : it could get ugly even this year, and I think price would tank if there is serious instability
[2017-02-27 08:51:52] .. : I do agree, and I personally think BU is making things much worse too
[2017-02-27 08:52:01] zanza : We will see, once either SegWit or BU gets over 50% then things will change
[2017-02-27 08:52:15] zanza : right now, neither of them even have barely 25%
[2017-02-27 08:52:30] zanza : so there is still a lot of time before things will happen
[2017-02-27 08:53:40] .. : yes, its pretty much some chinese miners upset there is no HF in Core yet TBH, I am just not confident if deciding on HF specifics before segwit is activated is smart
[2017-02-27 08:54:24] .. : unlimited is stupid IMO, as there should be always a limit to sustain decentralization and costs of nodes "reasonable" and letting some mining pool operators decide on it seems to risky
[2017-02-27 08:55:59] .. : so safe dynamic increase seems best to me, maybe even Jeff's BIP where miners can still influence it a little bit
[2017-02-27 08:56:04] zanza : so what is the work around ?
[2017-02-27 08:56:12] Farzad : /wall
[2017-02-27 08:56:15] trollbot : ``` Combined order book of 4 major exchanges: Asks: 4549 Ƀ (-3.72%) Bids: 2987 Ƀ (-12.43%) * ±$30 deviation from the current price.```
[2017-02-27 08:57:25] elmorte : Farzad: what's the % in the brackets?
[2017-02-27 08:57:48] Farzad : elmorte: percetange of change compare to last query
[2017-02-27 08:58:06] elmorte : ahh, k
[2017-02-27 08:58:25] elmorte : then adding the time interval since the last query would be helpful
[2017-02-27 08:58:41] elmorte : /wall
[2017-02-27 08:58:44] trollbot : ``` Combined order book of 4 major exchanges: Asks: 4407 Ƀ (-3.12%) Bids: 3121 Ƀ (4.49%) * ±$30 deviation from the current price.```
[2017-02-27 08:59:24] Farzad : elmorte: great idea !
[2017-02-27 08:59:28] Farzad : will do it
[2017-02-27 08:59:55] elmorte : :)
[2017-02-27 09:05:11] Farzad : /wall
[2017-02-27 09:05:14] trollbot : ``` Combined order book of 4 major exchanges: Asks: 4472 Ƀ (1.47%) Bids: 3096 Ƀ (-0.80%) * ±$30 deviation from the current price.```
[2017-02-27 09:05:33] Farzad : /price
[2017-02-27 09:05:36] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1179.71 (-0.29%) Bitfinex : 1176.70 (-0.88%) The Woodchipper : 1176.75 (-0.74%) itBit : 1179.34 (-0.59%) Kraken : 1175.61 (-0.46%) GDAX : 1183.50 (-0.39%) ```
[2017-02-27 09:05:57] Farzad : a lot of resistance @1200
[2017-02-27 09:08:40] l3f : Farzad: you'd think the shorts sold the bottom already
[2017-02-27 09:08:46] l3f : but there's a bit more to clear out
[2017-02-27 09:09:28] Farzad : l3f: I agree
[2017-02-27 09:19:19] odbm : ETF dropped pretty big any news?
[2017-02-27 09:22:08] Farzad : /price
[2017-02-27 09:22:11] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1177.10 (17.71%) Bitfinex : 1178.50 (17.85%) The Woodchipper : 1177.09 (17.71%) itBit : 1179.46 (17.95%) Kraken : 1177.96 (17.80%) GDAX : 1181.33 (18.13%) * Last query : 0 Seconds ago.
[2017-02-27 09:23:08] Farzad : odbm: thats not pretty big
[2017-02-27 09:23:16] Farzad : look at chart history
[2017-02-27 09:23:45] Farzad : /price
[2017-02-27 09:23:45] odbm : lol didnt see that spread
[2017-02-27 09:23:47] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1177.55 (17.75%) Bitfinex : 1178.70 (17.87%) The Woodchipper : 1177.09 (17.71%) itBit : 1181.23 (18.12%) Kraken : 1177.96 (17.80%) GDAX : 1182.03 (18.20%) * Last query : 0 Seconds ago.```
[2017-02-27 09:25:08] InvalidUser : Were winning
[2017-02-27 09:25:24] InvalidUser : Other then JPY
[2017-02-27 09:25:31] odbm : when bitmex calculates my ROE are they going by mark price or last sell price?
[2017-02-27 09:28:10] -_- : Mark
[2017-02-27 09:28:37] Farzad : /wall
[2017-02-27 09:28:44] trollbot : ``` Combined order book of 4 major exchanges: Asks: 4736 Ƀ (0.00%) Bids: 3922 Ƀ (0.00%) ±$30 deviation from the current price. Last query: 0 Seconds ago.```
[2017-02-27 09:38:02] Farzad : /wall
[2017-02-27 09:38:06] trollbot : ``` Combined order book of 4 major exchanges: Asks: 4716 Ƀ (-0.42%) Bids: 3732 Ƀ (-4.84%) ±$30 deviation from the current price. Last query: 562 Seconds ago.```
[2017-02-27 09:40:12] elmorte : :thumbsup:
[2017-02-27 09:40:18] elmorte : /wall
[2017-02-27 09:40:19] InvalidUser : sell
[2017-02-27 09:40:21] trollbot : ``` Combined order book of 4 major exchanges: Asks: 4816 Ƀ (2.12%) Bids: 3692 Ƀ (-1.07%) ±$30 deviation from the current price. Last query: 698 Seconds ago.```
[2017-02-27 09:40:28] elmorte : whoops...
[2017-02-27 09:41:06] KyllingLolsson : Hey... I dont understand that wall thing.How do i read the data?
[2017-02-27 09:41:19] InvalidUser : were going long
[2017-02-27 09:41:34] elmorte : amount of BTC required to raise/lower the price by $40
[2017-02-27 09:41:38] elmorte : $30
[2017-02-27 09:42:03] KyllingLolsson : @InvalidUser Long? All i see is down.
[2017-02-27 09:42:08] KyllingLolsson : elmorte: ok get it
[2017-02-27 09:42:45] Ahhere : ok bad hombres who is short
[2017-02-27 09:43:20] Ahhere : admit it
[2017-02-27 09:44:23] KyllingLolsson : i got no position atm, but i don't see it going up right now
[2017-02-27 09:47:05] ThruTheFloor : To the moon!!! ┗(°0°)┛
[2017-02-27 09:47:19] KyllingLolsson : ThruTheFloor: how?
[2017-02-27 09:47:26] ThruTheFloor : KyllingLolsson: By going up
[2017-02-27 09:47:34] KyllingLolsson : by gut feeling?
[2017-02-27 09:47:37] KyllingLolsson : or TA?
[2017-02-27 09:47:46] ThruTheFloor : Yes
[2017-02-27 09:47:53] KyllingLolsson : yes to what
[2017-02-27 09:48:10] ThruTheFloor : Yup
[2017-02-27 09:48:14] KyllingLolsson : ...
[2017-02-27 09:48:18] ThruTheFloor : Exactly
[2017-02-27 09:48:42] KyllingLolsson : I genuinely want to know how this is going up
[2017-02-27 09:49:18] InvalidUser : lol
[2017-02-27 09:49:19] ThruTheFloor : Then you're gonna have to ask someone who's entire trading strategy is based on a coin flip every 2 hours
[2017-02-27 09:49:24] ThruTheFloor : sint&
[2017-02-27 09:49:28] ThruTheFloor : isn't*
[2017-02-27 09:50:00] loomdart : lol
[2017-02-27 09:50:17] KyllingLolsson : whatever
[2017-02-27 09:50:36] loomdart : https://www.tradingview.com/x/tnTE6dAX/
[2017-02-27 09:50:39] loomdart : there you go pal :)
[2017-02-27 09:50:57] KyllingLolsson : K so you're a scalper
[2017-02-27 09:51:18] ThruTheFloor : loomdart: This is all I see: ಠ_ಠ
[2017-02-27 09:52:25] Ahhere : ThruTheFloor: i would like to take a moment commend your trolling. it is persistent, focused and unrelenting. well done good sir. Any tips for a noob troll?
[2017-02-27 09:52:58] loomdart : So what we buying post-new-ATH?
[2017-02-27 09:53:43] ThruTheFloor : Ahhere: Sure, buddy. It's simple? You know that filter in your head that stops you from saying something stupid, obvious, or annoying? Yeah just turn that off and you're good to go. Direct thought to keyboard.
[2017-02-27 09:56:25] Ahhere : thanks for sharing this nugget so obvious in hindsight
[2017-02-27 09:57:25] ThruTheFloor : Ahhere: No problem at all. Honestly after putting in an honest 8 hours of trolling on here every day, it's nice to finally receive the recognition I so obviously deserve.
[2017-02-27 09:57:58] ThruTheFloor : loomdart: I was thinking I would use my new vast reserves of wealth to buy more money, then maybe idk pick up a cocaine habit or something
[2017-02-27 09:58:09] Ahhere : sadly there will never be a troll awards. one must accept the thankless nature of this profession
[2017-02-27 09:58:53] elmorte : There is a trollbox user award...habibi won 2BTC for it
[2017-02-27 09:58:55] ThruTheFloor : I also want to try one of those $30k/night escorts. I wanna see if they really are worth the price over the $5 handjob behind the Wendy's I usually spring for
[2017-02-27 09:59:10] elmorte : no one's gonna pay you
[2017-02-27 09:59:14] elmorte : 30k @ThruTheFloor
[2017-02-27 09:59:40] Ahhere : elmorte: wow and then he retired?
[2017-02-27 09:59:50] elmorte : Ahhere: lol, seems like it
[2017-02-27 10:00:00] elmorte : I'm sure he's lurking somewhere
[2017-02-27 10:00:13] ThruTheFloor : Damn, @Ahhere raised my spirits and you @elmorte quickly destroyed them and shat all over the remains. Nice.
[2017-02-27 10:00:55] Ahhere : ThruTheFloor: quick tip - always check cheaper escorts for signs of std
[2017-02-27 10:01:03] Ahhere : its kind of a pro life tip
[2017-02-27 10:01:09] Ahhere : can get a big discount if you find someting
[2017-02-27 10:01:18] elmorte : haha
[2017-02-27 10:02:01] ThruTheFloor : Ahhere: Nah, I've already got every std known to man, and 3 only known to monkeys. There's nothing they can do to me that I can't give to them 10 fold
[2017-02-27 10:02:23] Ahhere : ThruTheFloor: ye but she doesnt know that
[2017-02-27 10:03:42] ThruTheFloor : Ahhere: I feel like the black shriveled mass of flesh in my pants would give it away
[2017-02-27 10:04:01] Ahhere : lol true just say ur mixed race
[2017-02-27 10:04:04] Ahhere : half pigmy
[2017-02-27 10:04:54] Ahhere : *pygmy
[2017-02-27 10:05:41] ThruTheFloor : Do pygmy dicks ooze pus and blood, have grotesque tumors all over, smell like rotten flesh, or form the nesting grounds of various species of maggots and flies?
[2017-02-27 10:06:03] ThruTheFloor : Cuz if they do then you might be on to something!
[2017-02-27 10:06:25] Ahhere : lol not a cock connoisseur unfortunately but I guess not
[2017-02-27 10:06:44] Farzad : /walll
[2017-02-27 10:06:57] Farzad : /wall
[2017-02-27 10:07:00] trollbot : ``` Combined order book of 4 major exchanges: Asks: 4700 Ƀ (-2.41%) Bids: 3665 Ƀ (-0.73%) ±$30 deviation from the current price. Last query: 2296 Seconds ago.```
[2017-02-27 10:07:27] Ahhere : nice update @Farzad
[2017-02-27 10:07:35] Farzad : Ahhere: ty
[2017-02-27 10:08:04] Ahhere : your talents are wasted on us
[2017-02-27 10:08:25] Farzad : Ahhere: I hope it is useful for u :)
[2017-02-27 10:08:41] Ahhere : /joke
[2017-02-27 10:08:52] trollbot : ``` If my wife made a dollar for every sexist joke I make She'd be $.77 richer right now ```
[2017-02-27 10:09:21] Ahhere : do you pro
[2017-02-27 10:09:41] Ahhere : *put your talents to use other than here? @Farzad
[2017-02-27 10:09:59] Farzad : Ahhere: I have several trading bots
[2017-02-27 10:11:12] Ahhere : wwen did u start learning? i think is too late for me but would love that skill
[2017-02-27 10:11:28] Ahhere : *its
[2017-02-27 10:11:42] Farzad : Ahhere: I started a when I was like 10 years old
[2017-02-27 10:11:55] Ahhere : lol and what u now like 12? *crosses fingers*
[2017-02-27 10:11:59] Farzad : 20 years ago ;)
[2017-02-27 10:12:12] Ahhere : ah shite was afraid ud say that
[2017-02-27 10:12:26] Farzad : lol, why ? are u 12 ?
[2017-02-27 10:12:38] Ahhere : no I was hoping it just too 2 years to get to your level
[2017-02-27 10:12:51] Ahhere : i was 12 once
[2017-02-27 10:13:02] elmorte : Farzad: what was the first lang you used?
[2017-02-27 10:13:16] Farzad : Actually u can get to my level in less than 2 years !
[2017-02-27 10:13:24] Farzad : elmorte: BASIC
[2017-02-27 10:13:34] Ahhere : Farzad: if I'm a genius?
[2017-02-27 10:13:43] Ahhere : which I am btw
[2017-02-27 10:13:50] elmorte : Visual Basic here...almost the same ;)
[2017-02-27 10:13:52] Ahhere : :|
[2017-02-27 10:14:14] Farzad : Ahhere: no, I am serious, It is not as hard as u think. but you should love coding.
[2017-02-27 10:14:47] elmorte : When I first realized that you could actually tell the computer what to do...mind blown!
[2017-02-27 10:14:53] Farzad : elmorte: Yes, I started on a Commodore 64. If you know what it is. Visual Basic came years later.
[2017-02-27 10:15:18] Ahhere : zx spectrum here @Farzad
[2017-02-27 10:15:21] ThruTheFloor : Farzad: Dude, what returns do your bots make for you? I'm thinking of writing my own.
[2017-02-27 10:15:21] elmorte : yeah of course, never owned one but play many
[2017-02-27 10:15:25] InvalidUser : I used to be able to code in basic
[2017-02-27 10:15:27] elmorte : played*
[2017-02-27 10:15:53] elmorte : Actually, I may have used BASIC for my first project
[2017-02-27 10:16:02] elmorte : But it would've been on a PC
[2017-02-27 10:16:18] InvalidUser : I used to draw stupid pictures with it.
[2017-02-27 10:16:22] Farzad : Ahhere: cool, my brother had one ! I remember it was small and thin :D
[2017-02-27 10:16:31] elmorte : yeah, with a tape deck
[2017-02-27 10:16:51] Ahhere : tape decks were the shit. buying games on tape needs to make a comeback
[2017-02-27 10:17:09] Farzad : ThruTheFloor: well, I aim for 5%/mo. 1-5x leverage.
[2017-02-27 10:17:58] Ahhere : seems too high did you actually achieve that
[2017-02-27 10:18:01] Farzad : Ahhere: yeah, took a long time to load a game from a tape
[2017-02-27 10:18:14] Farzad : and there was a program to calibrate the head of the tape reader
[2017-02-27 10:18:26] Farzad : so much hassle ! lol
[2017-02-27 10:18:52] ThruTheFloor : Farzad: Nice, do they do like day trading or do you aim them for more long term trades?
[2017-02-27 10:18:53] Farzad : kids are lucky nowadays
[2017-02-27 10:19:23] Ahhere : yep
[2017-02-27 10:19:25] Farzad : ThruTheFloor: usually my trades get closed in 1-3 days
[2017-02-27 10:21:08] ThruTheFloor : Farzad: Sorry for bugging you with so many questions! Last one, I promise: Did you fork an existing bot, follow a guide somewhere, or just write a bot that follows your natural trading style?
[2017-02-27 10:23:16] Farzad : ThruTheFloor: no, I prefer to write my code from scratch, this way I could understand every possible bug. I used to trade forex for several years. so I knew my strategy pretty well.
[2017-02-27 10:24:27] ThruTheFloor : Farzad: I see, thank you. :p
[2017-02-27 10:28:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : Another great video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ4MSBh0zGE
[2017-02-27 10:30:06] Ahhere : Ugly_Old_Goat: yep watching
[2017-02-27 10:30:36] Ahhere : Ugly_Old_Goat: what % of your max position size are you today?
[2017-02-27 10:31:42] Farzad : ThruTheFloor: np
[2017-02-27 10:32:03] Ugly_Old_Goat : 100% however I am methodically rolling our March for exchange traded btc capturing the premium
[2017-02-27 10:32:34] Farzad : /wall
[2017-02-27 10:32:39] trollbot : ``` Combined order book of 4 major exchanges: Asks: 4700 Ƀ (0.00%) Bids: 3662 Ƀ (-0.08%) ±$30 deviation from the current price. Last query: 3836 Seconds ago.```
[2017-02-27 10:32:55] ThruTheFloor : Ugly_Old_Goat: So if we dip again you won't be buying anymore? Or would you go over 100% for some more cheap coins?
[2017-02-27 10:33:10] Ahhere : Ugly_Old_Goat: yeah 100% means no dry powder to me
[2017-02-27 10:33:13] Ahhere : seems high
[2017-02-27 10:33:25] Farzad : /wall
[2017-02-27 10:33:28] trollbot : ``` Combined order book of 4 major exchanges: Asks: 4846 Ƀ (3.11%) Bids: 3664 Ƀ (0.05%) ±$30 deviation from the current price. Last query: 3884 Seconds ago.```
[2017-02-27 10:35:23] Ugly_Old_Goat : When I say 50% I always have a reserve to double down. I am 100% long but will double down if we break below 1040
[2017-02-27 10:35:54] Ahhere : ah that answers my q
[2017-02-27 10:37:47] wotan : interesting sidewards movement lets see if we break for more or down
[2017-02-27 10:38:19] Ugly_Old_Goat : When I say 100% I always have a reserve to double down. Again, I will double down on a break below 1040, but I do not expect it as we got that last week
[2017-02-27 10:39:45] wotan : could be breakout for more looks like we had some floors at 1170 and 1172
[2017-02-27 10:40:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : When I say 100% I always have a reserve to double down. Again, I will double down on a break below 1040, but I do not expect it as we got that last week so I am 100% long.
[2017-02-27 10:40:53] Ahhere : lol
[2017-02-27 10:41:31] Apocalyptic : morning boys
[2017-02-27 10:41:42] Ugly_Old_Goat : Ahhere: Most here simply do not get it and never willl
[2017-02-27 10:41:59] Ahhere : Ugly_Old_Goat: oh they'll get it eventually
[2017-02-27 10:42:09] Ahhere : and join buttcoin
[2017-02-27 10:42:17] Ahhere : aka bittercoin
[2017-02-27 10:46:35] Ahhere : Apocalyptic: mooning!
[2017-02-27 10:46:54] Apocalyptic : I love me some moon
[2017-02-27 10:47:25] Apocalyptic : too bad funding on swap isn't mooning too
[2017-02-27 10:50:34] Ahhere : Apocalyptic: yes its pretty meh alright
[2017-02-27 10:54:20] l3f : Ugly_Old_Goat: what if we go 800?
[2017-02-27 10:55:11] Ugly_Old_Goat : l3f: I will be out of my spec position
[2017-02-27 10:55:38] l3f : Haha
[2017-02-27 10:56:00] Farzad : /price
[2017-02-27 10:56:06] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1186.74 (18.67%) Bitfinex : 1183.20 (18.32%) The Woodchipper : 1182.01 (18.20%) itBit : 1184.30 (18.43%) Kraken : 1182.00 (18.20%) GDAX : 1185.65 (18.57%) Last query : 0 Seconds ago.```
[2017-02-27 10:56:29] l3f : Farzad: Use the websocket API to the exchanges so it always returns a realtime quote
[2017-02-27 10:57:25] Farzad : l3f: Thanks for the tip :)
[2017-02-27 11:15:01] l3f : Farzad: the only problem is that all the exchanges have different APIs and it is a pain in the butt
[2017-02-27 11:26:18] SilverKnight : what yall thinking? 1 more dip down before we go up or all bulls have left the pen already?
[2017-02-27 11:26:24] SilverKnight : :P
[2017-02-27 11:26:34] Farzad : /wall
[2017-02-27 11:26:38] trollbot : ``` Combined order book of 4 major exchanges: Asks: 4608 Ƀ (0.00%) Bids: 3330 Ƀ (0.00%) ±$30 deviation from the current price. Last query: 0 Seconds ago.```
[2017-02-27 11:26:55] Farzad : SilverKnight: hard to break 1200
[2017-02-27 11:27:02] SilverKnight : true
[2017-02-27 11:27:27] SilverKnight : thats why im thinking a dip first is more likely at this point
[2017-02-27 11:27:48] Farzad : SilverKnight: yes, it can happen
[2017-02-27 11:28:04] Farzad : but it wont dip that much
[2017-02-27 11:28:18] Farzad : bull is very strong
[2017-02-27 11:31:31] spice : Anyone hedging here?
[2017-02-27 11:36:46] bingbongfly : spice: i'm hedging my cold storage
[2017-02-27 11:36:59] bingbongfly : my short is burning up ;)
[2017-02-27 11:37:25] ytaews : why hedge cold storage? why not just not have it
[2017-02-27 11:38:25] cryptobull : Lol
[2017-02-27 11:39:06] loomdart : Lol
[2017-02-27 11:40:03] cryptobull : Got to hedge it to keep it stable ?
[2017-02-27 11:40:19] ytaews : ppl 4get that
[2017-02-27 11:40:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `DASH7D`: sell 6 @ 0.023434
[2017-02-27 11:40:59] cryptobull : Come on lets see some btc fomo here