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[2017-02-23 10:05:40] ubba : I thought it was 50/50
[2017-02-23 10:05:41] narnarfromnarnia : this has happened twice but this time my order button was not firing at all
[2017-02-23 10:05:54] rapidtrades : shut the hell up newbs, u had no problem with okc when we went making new highs with china
[2017-02-23 10:05:55] narnarfromnarnia : it was very frustrated, then i thought it went through and it was a liq notice
[2017-02-23 10:05:58] MikeHunt : bulls are just crying they cant have it their way
[2017-02-23 10:05:59] rapidtrades : that was ONE MONTH AGO
[2017-02-23 10:06:09] blacktuesday : its below btc-e
[2017-02-23 10:06:15] narnarfromnarnia : price was 12 dollars above and was 3 dollars above my liq when i was clicking buy
[2017-02-23 10:06:16] BTCDJS : `/ban all newbs`
[2017-02-23 10:06:17] ross : Last chance 1130
[2017-02-23 10:06:17] narnarfromnarnia : market buy
[2017-02-23 10:06:23] ThruTheFloor : rapidtrades: How are you fine with -2100 ROE? Like, how does that even work?
[2017-02-23 10:06:32] ubba : Someone can easily push down okc spot and cause liquidations no?
[2017-02-23 10:06:51] BTCDJS : ThruTheFloor: It does if you know what youre doing
[2017-02-23 10:06:51] ubba : Probably not even worth it for the crack change we trade with lol
[2017-02-23 10:06:56] narnarfromnarnia : rapidtrades: there will be a black swan
[2017-02-23 10:07:03] ThruTheFloor : BTCDJS: But how
[2017-02-23 10:07:07] blacktuesday : perp is trading $12 above mark rn because ok is irrelevent
[2017-02-23 10:07:15] blacktuesday : bitmex needs to fix the index
[2017-02-23 10:07:38] blacktuesday : at least 33% stamp 33% ok 33% finex or coinbase or whatevr
[2017-02-23 10:07:45] BTCDJS : in a bull market you get more money if you short swap. Im looking into it. I dont understand completely myself
[2017-02-23 10:08:34] bigdickbandit : LETS DO IT BOIZ
[2017-02-23 10:08:43] narnarfromnarnia : well at least support said they have someone looking into it
[2017-02-23 10:08:48] blacktuesday : full rertrace
[2017-02-23 10:09:07] blacktuesday : dip buyers
[2017-02-23 10:09:08] narnarfromnarnia : they are making bank here on liquidations, the site has to perform on front end
[2017-02-23 10:09:13] Yuppie : The woodchipper is a joke
[2017-02-23 10:09:15] narnarfromnarnia : has seemed more glitchy right?
[2017-02-23 10:09:27] blacktuesday : user count 1041
[2017-02-23 10:09:37] blacktuesday : when action site gets lsow
[2017-02-23 10:10:01] blacktuesday : have your orders set
[2017-02-23 10:10:21] blacktuesday : stamp and finex retrace dyno
[2017-02-23 10:10:23] ross : People talk on here more than Facebook
[2017-02-23 10:10:25] narnarfromnarnia : true
[2017-02-23 10:10:26] blacktuesday : dumo
[2017-02-23 10:10:35] blacktuesday : woodchipper not yet
[2017-02-23 10:10:39] blacktuesday : cause no one
[2017-02-23 10:10:43] blacktuesday : wants to buy
[2017-02-23 10:10:49] blacktuesday : on woodchipper
[2017-02-23 10:10:55] ThruTheFloor : Short or Long? What do?
[2017-02-23 10:11:01] micmix : dip buyers, we're counting on you!
[2017-02-23 10:11:08] ubba : ThruTheFloor: yeah
[2017-02-23 10:11:10] ThruTheFloor : I'm 100% out right now. I have no idea wtf is going on
[2017-02-23 10:11:40] rapidtrades : ThruTheFloor: the last exit scam before the crash, that's whats going on
[2017-02-23 10:11:51] indelibleTrade : waiting on death wicks.
[2017-02-23 10:11:56] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: +1
[2017-02-23 10:12:14] ThruTheFloor : rapidtrades: I'm sorry I was hoping for advice from someone who isn't staring at -2100 ROE
[2017-02-23 10:12:21] indelibleTrade : limit stops i am ready for your funds.
[2017-02-23 10:13:31] indelibleTrade : stops i am ready for your funds. rather.
[2017-02-23 10:13:46] ubba : It's crashing hard now
[2017-02-23 10:14:31] Coconuter : etf rejected
[2017-02-23 10:15:13] rapidtrades : Coconuter: STOP
[2017-02-23 10:15:26] rapidtrades : anyone spreading FAKE NEWS will be banned
[2017-02-23 10:15:34] shery : rapidtrades: I agree with you for the first time
[2017-02-23 10:15:36] Coconuter : rapidtrades: this next funding is so low it wont pay your lunch
[2017-02-23 10:15:41] ThruTheFloor : rapidtrades: I wish
[2017-02-23 10:16:33] ubba : Coconuter: etf rejected?
[2017-02-23 10:16:55] Coconuter : pope francisco said so @ubba
[2017-02-23 10:17:01] Coconuter : gooding jr.
[2017-02-23 10:17:08] ThruTheFloor : I hate both of you
[2017-02-23 10:17:35] ubba : Coconuter: so if the etf isn't approved can't they just hard fork it
[2017-02-23 10:17:55] ubba : On to a different blockchain
[2017-02-23 10:17:56] Coconuter : they will triple fork it
[2017-02-23 10:18:07] Coconuter : like eth
[2017-02-23 10:18:12] ubba : Ah I see
[2017-02-23 10:19:03] ubba : So we will have etf and etf classic
[2017-02-23 10:20:08] Coconuter : yes
[2017-02-23 10:20:12] Coconuter : and btc classic mostly will remain
[2017-02-23 10:20:24] Coconuter : and btc unleashed will be the new main fork
[2017-02-23 10:20:38] elmorte : Coconuter: you in the States?
[2017-02-23 10:20:59] ubba : Yes
[2017-02-23 10:20:59] Coconuter : elmorte: yep and never going backkkk
[2017-02-23 10:21:04] elmorte : Actually, either way it's some crazy am time there
[2017-02-23 10:21:23] Coconuter : ive been almost no sleep past few days trading
[2017-02-23 10:21:24] ubba : It's almost morning
[2017-02-23 10:21:34] Coconuter : sleep with pc on 1 hour and wake up
[2017-02-23 10:21:34] elmorte : Coconuter: how's the startup?
[2017-02-23 10:21:45] ubba : It's going good actually
[2017-02-23 10:21:47] Coconuter : elmorte: dude i got funding for one
[2017-02-23 10:21:58] Coconuter : now im finishing the second one to present in pitch
[2017-02-23 10:22:19] HUNgry : https://twitter.com/cnLedger
[2017-02-23 10:22:42] Coconuter : ubba: lol
[2017-02-23 10:22:49] Coconuter : ubba is my new assistant
[2017-02-23 10:23:06] ubba : Yeah
[2017-02-23 10:23:23] ThruTheFloor : Going to bed, should I go long or short first?
[2017-02-23 10:23:55] HUNgry : short
[2017-02-23 10:24:08] paper : when you don't have much suspicion, just stay out. personally, i'm massively long
[2017-02-23 10:24:13] ubba : BOTH
[2017-02-23 10:24:26] InvalidUser : https://github.com/iancoleman/bip39/issues/58#issuecomment-281897788
[2017-02-23 10:24:32] ThruTheFloor : paper: I just pulled out 100% a minute ago because it got crazy
[2017-02-23 10:24:33] ubba : That's what im doing right now
[2017-02-23 10:24:35] InvalidUser : Wallet problems
[2017-02-23 10:24:44] ubba : Longing and shorting at the same time
[2017-02-23 10:24:47] ThruTheFloor : Now I have no idea if we're going to ATH or crashing soon
[2017-02-23 10:24:48] InvalidUser : check the link
[2017-02-23 10:25:10] HUNgry : it will crash
[2017-02-23 10:25:26] ThruTheFloor : HUNgry: Sauce?
[2017-02-23 10:25:52] HUNgry : yes
[2017-02-23 10:26:08] ThruTheFloor : paper: You think it's gonna keep going up?
[2017-02-23 10:26:13] ubba : ThruTheFloor: just long and short
[2017-02-23 10:26:22] ThruTheFloor : ubba: Just stfu
[2017-02-23 10:26:34] ubba : Cause if the price goes up
[2017-02-23 10:26:37] ubba : You make money
[2017-02-23 10:26:39] elmorte : Coconuter: nice one!
[2017-02-23 10:26:44] ubba : And if the price goes down you make money
[2017-02-23 10:26:55] ubba : Infinite money
[2017-02-23 10:27:34] paper : ThruTheFloor: yeah, but that's moreso b/c i reguarlarly talk to a master btc trader. i went to business shool but sometimes you have to know when to trust others' opinions than your own, and he's madly bullish. alas, we ultimately have to decide for ourselves :)
[2017-02-23 10:27:42] elmorte : ubba: actually, that's not true...
[2017-02-23 10:28:06] ThruTheFloor : elmorte: He's trolling ignore him
[2017-02-23 10:28:13] ubba : elmorte: it's true
[2017-02-23 10:28:33] Coconuter : elmorte:
[2017-02-23 10:28:42] Coconuter : the pope said, its true
[2017-02-23 10:28:54] elmorte : If the price of bitcoin goes to 0...you can short all you want
[2017-02-23 10:28:58] ThruTheFloor : paper: What does the master btc trader say? I'm just worried we wont make it past ATH and it'll crash
[2017-02-23 10:29:02] paper : ThruTheFloor: china needs to break up tho, that will decrease vol. so much. i'm not closing out but i'm watching closely. trying to take a 15x long to 14-1500$ prior to etf announcement. we'll see..
[2017-02-23 10:29:04] Coconuter : rapid is shorting and making infinite money
[2017-02-23 10:29:20] elmorte : Coconuter: yeah, but he's always been a downer
[2017-02-23 10:29:26] elmorte : Man doesn't want to be happy
[2017-02-23 10:29:34] Cryptonary : Why would anyone buy above mark price?
[2017-02-23 10:29:37] rapidtrades : /price
[2017-02-23 10:29:40] Coconuter : he is scared to trade so he earns only on interest
[2017-02-23 10:29:41] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1132.00 (-0.44%) Bitfinex : 1135.60 (0.01%) The Woodchipper : 1104.72 (-0.11%) itBit : 1135.42 (0.05%) Kraken : 1134.10 (-0.17%) GDAX : 1137.33 (-0.01%) ```
[2017-02-23 10:29:43] Coconuter : lol
[2017-02-23 10:29:57] elmorte : I'm scared to trade :)
[2017-02-23 10:29:58] ThruTheFloor : paper: China withdrawals come back on 29th, does that affect your plan in any way?
[2017-02-23 10:30:09] paper : ThruTheFloor: i'll talk to him in a few hrs. he lives in states. again, when you have a lot of doubt, just sit it out. when we do break ath, we should shoot up for hundreds of dollars, so just don't sleep through that
[2017-02-23 10:30:25] rapidtrades : ThruTheFloor: HA! come back my ass
[2017-02-23 10:30:34] paper : ThruTheFloor: it's something on my radar to consider
[2017-02-23 10:30:58] ThruTheFloor : rapidtrades: A Chinese Triple Gox is highly unlikely
[2017-02-23 10:31:39] rapidtrades : guesss we'll see but the AML reason sounds like bs
[2017-02-23 10:31:44] ubba : Chinese triple gox
[2017-02-23 10:31:58] ubba : Sounds deadly
[2017-02-23 10:32:32] ThruTheFloor : paper: Thank you kindly for the words of wisdom. I'll take anything I can get at times like these :)
[2017-02-23 10:33:21] ThruTheFloor : rapidtrades: It's definitely shady, but there's no way all three of them are insolvent
[2017-02-23 10:33:49] ubba : No problem
[2017-02-23 10:34:00] ThruTheFloor : My guess is they need time to implement software for the AML/KYC, and they dont want people withdrawing meantime
[2017-02-23 10:34:21] paper : ThruTheFloor: np. he and i both agree that china is losing its vice grip on the mkt tho. just watch closely b/c we could be going parabolic in hours or days...just too many variables and shitloads of leverage.
[2017-02-23 10:34:39] rapidtrades : must be nice to live life so naive @ThruTheFloor
[2017-02-23 10:35:20] ubba : rapidtrades: was thinking the exact samething
[2017-02-23 10:35:42] elmorte : great minds...
[2017-02-23 10:36:02] ThruTheFloor : paper: This is way crazier than the last bubble. Last time we got Bitfinex later but no where near as much leverage as we do here and now!
[2017-02-23 10:38:42] ubba : Round 2 dip
[2017-02-23 10:38:52] ubba : Holy shit
[2017-02-23 10:39:45] bigdickbandit : I fkn longed at 1130
[2017-02-23 10:40:38] ThruTheFloor : bigdickbandit: **applause**
[2017-02-23 10:41:06] ubba : bigdickbandit: on March17▶
[2017-02-23 10:41:10] ubba : ?
[2017-02-23 10:45:39] paper : ThruTheFloor: truth. abandoning finex was what caused ppl to go to the cn uber-lev exchanges. then during the intermission of this rally, pboc banned it. so now finex matters again. and wow, jp is really flexing its muscles in the btc scene now. never a dull moment in btcland but always a stressful one. dynamic. early years. wild west. the early years of a thing are always the crazy golden days. music scenes, technological movements, whatever. anyway, best of luck
[2017-02-23 10:52:05] blacktuesday : woodchipper almost $40 below
[2017-02-23 10:52:10] blacktuesday : gert it off the index pls
[2017-02-23 10:52:37] KyllingLolsson : /price
[2017-02-23 10:52:40] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1137.53 (0.49%) Bitfinex : 1136.90 (0.11%) The Woodchipper : 1101.00 (-0.34%) itBit : 1135.89 (0.04%) Kraken : 1137.41 (0.29%) GDAX : 1140.08 (0.24%) ```
[2017-02-23 10:52:43] InvalidUser : GO home Okcoin your drunk
[2017-02-23 10:52:57] veritas : paper: so eloquent... I always use the saying - "if I had told you about "google" shares back when they were $0.20c per piece - you would have looked and said "wtf is this google shiz... they are never going to get anywhere with a name like that".
[2017-02-23 10:53:18] blacktuesday : bitmex loose the woodchipper for the love of god
[2017-02-23 10:53:39] Tetsuo : remove Bitstamp from the INdex, make mark price real again
[2017-02-23 10:53:52] cryptobull : yeah cut the woodchipper. its not valid anymore
[2017-02-23 10:54:04] blacktuesday : make it btc-e even better
[2017-02-23 10:54:05] InvalidUser : The issue with using only 2 places to get your index from is if one of them gets hacked and one of them drives the price down 50%
[2017-02-23 10:54:27] blacktuesday : yup exactly
[2017-02-23 10:54:43] blacktuesday : 33% stamp 33% ok 33% finex or coinbase
[2017-02-23 10:54:50] blacktuesday : RTHATS WHAT OT SHOULD BE
[2017-02-23 10:54:53] veritas : Tetsuo: i disagree - i think add MORE exchanges.... get a REAL market price for the index. inc Japan and coinbase. def. keep china.
[2017-02-23 10:55:16] blacktuesday : die woodchipper die
[2017-02-23 10:55:20] veritas : china going to buy more bitcoins than your mums retirement fund in 2 years.
[2017-02-23 10:55:28] ThatCEOGuy : They're probably waiting to see what happens with the withdrawals to see if they should be removed or not. Probably next week. But yeah we should have more exchanges than two
[2017-02-23 10:56:01] blacktuesday : lets all email supoort and tell them to add more exchanges and fix the index price
[2017-02-23 10:56:22] Tetsuo : BTC PnD is over, LTC is next.
[2017-02-23 10:56:24] blacktuesday : its almost untradeable above mark like this
[2017-02-23 10:56:29] veritas : china is important still... the proof is in the pudding.... finex and stamp go up by "x" only because someone in china buys 200+ BTC tonight... (WITHOUT LEVG BTW)....
[2017-02-23 10:57:06] veritas : within 2-3 months you guys would be begging for okc and huobi to be part of the index... so just be patient and dont over levg yourselves.
[2017-02-23 10:57:37] blacktuesday : its not 2-3 months tonight
[2017-02-23 10:57:56] blacktuesday : loose woodchipper
[2017-02-23 10:58:04] blacktuesday : make the index great again
[2017-02-23 10:58:04] veritas : blacktuesday: well - why dont you ask BMex to hire more staff - on top of the great job they already do...?
[2017-02-23 10:58:32] blacktuesday : they need more staff to add another exchnage to indez?
[2017-02-23 10:59:01] Tetsuo : the only one holding the price up is the Bitstamp megawhale, otherwise we would be down much more already
[2017-02-23 10:59:13] Tetsuo : he´s flashing 1300 BTC bid right now
[2017-02-23 10:59:36] veritas : no - buti remember when this xchange had 240 users... and newbs come in and start complaining about everything... despite the fact it is the best exchange on the market... (up to 100x levg) and a solid UI with immutable track record.
[2017-02-23 11:00:06] blacktuesday : yeah i been here since day 12
[2017-02-23 11:00:09] blacktuesday : day 1
[2017-02-23 11:00:11] blacktuesday : lol
[2017-02-23 11:00:16] blacktuesday : not knocking the place
[2017-02-23 11:00:17] veritas : blacktuesday: +1 2 u
[2017-02-23 11:00:32] blacktuesday : old kaiko index had several exhcange son the index
[2017-02-23 11:00:40] blacktuesday : 50% ok 50% stamp is dumb. period.
[2017-02-23 11:00:43] blacktuesday : they need to fix it
[2017-02-23 11:01:00] blacktuesday : /end rant
[2017-02-23 11:01:03] blacktuesday : lights joint
[2017-02-23 11:01:06] blacktuesday : pray for moon
[2017-02-23 11:01:09] blacktuesday : godnight
[2017-02-23 11:01:10] wurstgelee : blacktuesday: yep. i recall thy announced some changes after "chinese new year" towards that topic
[2017-02-23 11:01:15] veritas : be very happy guys - because circa 2018-2019 - the levg and anonymity (or atleast one of them) ENDS. so quietly trade your best... and enjoy.
[2017-02-23 11:01:16] wurstgelee : whatever happened with that...
[2017-02-23 11:01:32] veritas : blacktuesday: agree - kaiko was bomb
[2017-02-23 11:01:43] cryptobull : here we go
[2017-02-23 11:01:46] herpinator : blacktuesday: 50% ok 50% stamp is very very dumb unrealistic and not representative of the market I totally agree
[2017-02-23 11:02:01] wurstgelee : they need to add finex again, there isnt a btter usd reference
[2017-02-23 11:02:11] wurstgelee : as much as i dont like finex tho
[2017-02-23 11:02:16] wurstgelee : still..best usd pricing source
[2017-02-23 11:02:31] cryptobull : finex top vol exch... idk why mex don't use it
[2017-02-23 11:02:42] wurstgelee : cryptobull: they stopped after the hack
[2017-02-23 11:02:45] wurstgelee : *"hack"
[2017-02-23 11:02:54] wurstgelee : using finex that is
[2017-02-23 11:02:55] cryptobull : wasnt stamp hacked once too?
[2017-02-23 11:03:10] wurstgelee : yeah.
[2017-02-23 11:03:14] wurstgelee : double standards or sth, dunno
[2017-02-23 11:03:23] cryptobull : strange tho
[2017-02-23 11:03:30] wurstgelee : okc usd and stamp alone as index is a joke.
[2017-02-23 11:03:46] cryptobull : yeah agree
[2017-02-23 11:03:59] wurstgelee : $15 below finex
[2017-02-23 11:04:03] wurstgelee : right now
[2017-02-23 11:04:14] blacktuesday : been trading on conipit just cause their index is better
[2017-02-23 11:04:15] blacktuesday : OKCoin, BitFinex and Bitstamp
[2017-02-23 11:04:24] blacktuesday : 33% each
[2017-02-23 11:04:36] blacktuesday : perfect no dumb wicks from okcoin to rekt you
[2017-02-23 11:04:51] wurstgelee : fix here would be to readd finex and weigh acclording to volume again
[2017-02-23 11:04:53] wurstgelee : like it was before
[2017-02-23 11:05:07] cryptobull : stamp reaching for new high
[2017-02-23 11:05:16] blacktuesday : or use coinbase if they really cant stomach finex after the hack
[2017-02-23 11:05:30] wurstgelee : cryptobull: now you made me open stamp chart. i happily ignored it for months now
[2017-02-23 11:05:31] wurstgelee : ;)
[2017-02-23 11:05:41] cryptobull : wurstgelee: :)
[2017-02-23 11:06:09] cryptobull : wurstgelee: must have stamp chart open when trading here :D
[2017-02-23 11:06:17] wurstgelee : if stamp=finex, okc usd is $30 below i assume.
[2017-02-23 11:06:29] veritas : finex uses levg - x3.33 - so they dont reflect real prices - i always take finex with a grain of salt. in fact okC is what i use primarily for sentiment... like tonight 0 the chinese love btc - and by 2018 they will be gobbling it up.
[2017-02-23 11:06:48] wurstgelee : cryptobull: i work with bitflyer and finex atm. swap here heavily (over)reacts to finex movements. so if finex dips and flyer doesnt.... ;)
[2017-02-23 11:07:08] veritas : this is specifically a derivitaes market - it generates its own volitility - and doesnt need crud from finex spoiling it
[2017-02-23 11:07:22] wurstgelee : perfectly worked for all btfd situations in the last days ;)
[2017-02-23 11:08:44] wurstgelee : veritas: if its marked to a btc index, that index should represent the actual marked. and not consist of 50% dead market (china) and 50% marginal market (stamp) a a
[2017-02-23 11:08:47] wurstgelee : this is just wrong
[2017-02-23 11:08:55] InvalidUser : Bloody unpredictable market. I went long with only a few contracts
[2017-02-23 11:08:57] wurstgelee : *t, other typos
[2017-02-23 11:12:31] veritas : china is ded for the next 30 days then your point may be wrong (100% i believe it will be). so why waste BMex's time... hence my original proposition - get 8 exchanges on their, inc japan and coinbase...
[2017-02-23 11:12:48] .. : stamp so bull
[2017-02-23 11:12:50] veritas : maybe even 3 days from now china will catch up and exceed...
[2017-02-23 11:13:21] veritas : watch and see
[2017-02-23 11:13:42] InvalidUser : Bitstamp has always been the goto for the current market price. Even when MtCox was around
[2017-02-23 11:13:54] veritas : tonight is the first example of 0-5BTC volume then suddenly people get home from work in china and 200+BTC bought in 5 mins... (and the "moon callers" come out)
[2017-02-23 11:14:07] veritas : ^on a chinese exchange
[2017-02-23 11:14:12] veritas : ^despite pboc BS
[2017-02-23 11:14:34] veritas : they are "frothin at the mouth" over btc and have the btc fever....
[2017-02-23 11:16:09] cryptobull : stamp 1147 :D
[2017-02-23 11:21:31] wurstgelee : cryptobull: luckily we have okcusd @ 1106 to keep the index in place oO
[2017-02-23 11:21:34] InvalidUser : Trading Bitcoins and watching Trailer Park Boys... How posh
[2017-02-23 11:22:12] aethlios : stamp.........
[2017-02-23 11:23:15] InvalidUser : Big up tick comming
[2017-02-23 11:26:59] InvalidUser : Just be thankful that were not using BTC China for the index. They used to lead the market but then the gov shit happened
[2017-02-23 11:29:11] .. : both btcc and huobi look so sad :(
[2017-02-23 11:30:34] .. : at least okc spot trying to break 7600 again
[2017-02-23 11:35:20] BTCDJS : cryptobull: @wurstgelee they stopped using finex because they were always down for maintenance during rallies
[2017-02-23 11:36:22] wurstgelee : BTCDJS: so why not add it back then? if its goes 404 again, it ill be deweighted anyways? in the index?
[2017-02-23 11:36:31] wurstgelee : *will
[2017-02-23 11:39:10] BTCDJS : Dono I'm just remembering what Sam said
[2017-02-23 11:39:53] InvalidUser : Bitcoin Average says the price is 1134
[2017-02-23 11:40:41] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: It's a matter of instability - when an exchange goes down, especially if it is trading at a delta to the rest of the exchanges in the index, removal will cause the index to jump
[2017-02-23 11:42:26] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: but you (=btinex) announced some changes to marking for after chinese new year, do i recall that correctly?
[2017-02-23 11:42:31] wurstgelee : *bitmex
[2017-02-23 11:43:25] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: if it goes down (=now data available), tt should be immediately dewighted and therefore not pull the index in any direction?
[2017-02-23 11:43:36] wurstgelee : *-w
[2017-02-23 11:44:12] BitMEX_Sam : imagine three constituents, at 1000, 1010, and 1020
[2017-02-23 11:44:22] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: also yes....index would jump. but random $10 moves on btcusd or stamp do the same
[2017-02-23 11:44:23] BitMEX_Sam : if BFX in this case is at 1000 or 1020 deweighting it will significantly move the index price
[2017-02-23 11:44:33] wurstgelee : =make the index jump
[2017-02-23 11:44:42] wurstgelee : $20 and greater even
[2017-02-23 11:44:53] BitMEX_Sam : Those types of moves are the market, however, not index problems, and they are dampened by the number of exchanges in the index
[2017-02-23 11:45:14] wurstgelee : no, but itsw a problem of the index only representing a smalll fraction of the market volume
[2017-02-23 11:45:37] BitMEX_Sam : I agree that changes are necessary but we are still very hesitant to add such an unstable exchange
[2017-02-23 11:45:43] wurstgelee : if it would represent a greater share of volume, volatility would decrease
[2017-02-23 11:46:10] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: so still "changes will be announced after chinese new year"? as of now? ;)
[2017-02-23 11:46:28] BitMEX_Sam : We're working on some backend support as we previously outsourced our indices
[2017-02-23 11:46:44] BitMEX_Sam : So some work still needs to be done on emitting that data properly, along with constituents and weighting, and in presenting it to the user
[2017-02-23 11:46:59] BitMEX_Sam : We have delayed in order to finish that work so that the process is fully automatic
[2017-02-23 11:47:41] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: maybe it makes sense to use Tradeblock again? they are supposed to have all those issues resolved
[2017-02-23 11:48:03] BitMEX_Sam : When we were on TBLK, we had endless complaints (especially from large traders) that it was difficult to hedge exposure
[2017-02-23 11:48:16] BitMEX_Sam : Their algo is a black box, which makes it quite difficult to put on even a semiperfect hedge
[2017-02-23 11:48:37] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: yeah, hedgin is a problem if you can't trade on GDAX or Gemini
[2017-02-23 11:48:47] BitMEX_Sam : I agree that OKC/Stamp is not a perfectly representative index, but it *is* predictable, easy to hedge on, and has not been subject to large swings in the past
[2017-02-23 11:49:10] BitMEX_Sam : For the purposes of providing a stable Bitcoin price it has done quite well
[2017-02-23 11:49:44] wurstgelee : black boxes suck imo
[2017-02-23 11:49:49] wurstgelee : so no tradeblock please ;)
[2017-02-23 11:50:14] sleger : 100% stamp is better than current index (although bad too)
[2017-02-23 11:51:29] cryptobull : BitMEX_Sam: why not 10 top vol exch 10% each?
[2017-02-23 11:51:48] micmix : stamp can be manipulated with 100 coins most of the time
[2017-02-23 11:52:19] BitMEX_Sam : I think you would have a hard time even coming up with a list of 10 relevant BTC/USD exchanges
[2017-02-23 11:52:40] cryptobull : BitMEX_Sam: 5?
[2017-02-23 11:53:03] BitMEX_Sam : We are indeed aiming to diversify it to a larger number
[2017-02-23 11:53:10] ross : Up
[2017-02-23 11:53:17] cryptobull : BitMEX_Sam: good :)
[2017-02-23 11:53:37] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: if your big MM can't hedge on Gemini/GDAX and don't want to hedge on Bitfinex, you're kinda stuck
[2017-02-23 11:54:08] BitMEX_Sam : It was a shame to be forced to delist BFX. while it was in the index, it worked well and was representative of the market, but their instability and flash crashes have caused liquidations here in the past
[2017-02-23 11:54:43] reyno : my PNL is positive when I hover over it, if I exit the permission before the charge in 5mis will I receive this number?
[2017-02-23 11:54:57] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: We aim to at least have most of the top BTC/USD exchanges by volume, although btc-e is an open question due to its fiat egress fees causing a nearly permanent discount
[2017-02-23 11:55:07] cryptobull : wow stamp 1150
[2017-02-23 11:55:10] .. : stamp going for 1150
[2017-02-23 11:55:12] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 4100 @ 1132.15
[2017-02-23 11:55:13] sleger : reyno: if you can trade at mark without any fee then yes
[2017-02-23 11:55:26] .. : 1152
[2017-02-23 11:55:27] ross : WOW STAMP
[2017-02-23 11:55:30] BitMEX_Sam : reyno: That's a prediction based on the mark price, which is the price next to the bars in the orderbook/sidebar
[2017-02-23 11:55:30] sleger : *hint: you cant*
[2017-02-23 11:55:39] BitMEX_Sam : Your real PNL is simply a function of `entry - exit`
[2017-02-23 11:55:54] sleger : plus fees
[2017-02-23 11:55:58] BitMEX_Sam : Right
[2017-02-23 11:55:58] blacktuesday : 1150 stamp
[2017-02-23 11:55:59] blacktuesday : wooooo
[2017-02-23 11:56:11] -_- : Stamp crazy
[2017-02-23 11:56:14] blacktuesday : fuckkkkkwoodchipper
[2017-02-23 11:56:27] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: take a look at what 2 of the newer platforms use as index, I do like it and its very stable and representative of the market (crF, and dBit)
[2017-02-23 11:56:32] BitMEX_Sam : So on top of this, once we get the remote exchanges' pricing data into BitMEX, we plan to run them in the ticker bar and perhaps another widget
[2017-02-23 11:56:37] BitMEX_Sam : Will take a look @sleger
[2017-02-23 11:56:41] .. : 1163 ATH on stamp, close
[2017-02-23 11:57:12] InvalidUser : ATH for stamp is 1175
[2017-02-23 11:57:25] rapidgains : 1163
[2017-02-23 11:57:41] rapidgains : 1175 is finex
[2017-02-23 11:57:44] ross : Bfx is next for test
[2017-02-23 11:57:49] sleger : as rapid once said (yesterday) "ATH doesn't matter"
[2017-02-23 11:58:11] InvalidUser : O your right 1175 is finx
[2017-02-23 11:58:14] rapidgains : sleger: of course it doesnt, what are you a noob?!?!?!
[2017-02-23 11:58:23] sleger : rapidgains: you are not rapid
[2017-02-23 11:58:27] alejandromasari : winning from all those buys yesterday mooooon
[2017-02-23 11:58:45] sleger : you bought at 1149 and shorted at 1144 sorry for your big losses @alejandromasari
[2017-02-23 11:58:53] rapidgains : lol
[2017-02-23 11:58:59] InvalidUser : look at the dumpers trying to get our of fees
[2017-02-23 11:59:05] alejandromasari : sleger: lol you're such an id1ot
[2017-02-23 11:59:11] alejandromasari : idiot bigly
[2017-02-23 11:59:28] alejandromasari : i dont short uptrends
[2017-02-23 12:00:05] sleger : its in the chat archive though
[2017-02-23 12:00:21] sleger : I posted your quote again yesterday
[2017-02-23 12:00:29] sleger : when you shorted h17 at 1144
[2017-02-23 12:00:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 110 @ 7807.9
[2017-02-23 12:00:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 7000 @ 1136.36
[2017-02-23 12:00:48] alejandromasari : sleger: http://imgur.com/YV0lrYy
[2017-02-23 12:01:03] alejandromasari : i am not an idiot like rapidtrades he shorts uptrends
[2017-02-23 12:01:12] -_- : Bitfinex $30 from ath
[2017-02-23 12:01:15] sleger : that image doesnt prove anything dummy
[2017-02-23 12:01:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 10 @ 1137.22
[2017-02-23 12:01:17] alejandromasari : no one posts screenshots here
[2017-02-23 12:01:25] alejandromasari : everyone talks with nothing to back it up
[2017-02-23 12:01:38] sleger : alejandromasari: it is VERY easy to fake
[2017-02-23 12:02:10] reyno : wooohoo
[2017-02-23 12:02:16] .. : okc q new high
[2017-02-23 12:02:56] blacktuesday : wooooodchipper blows chunks
[2017-02-23 12:03:02] sleger : alejandromasari: http://imgur.com/a/VvhAL
[2017-02-23 12:03:38] CryptoMill : /sentiment
[2017-02-23 12:03:41] trollbot : ``` Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly : 16.79 / 83.21 Daily : 45.10 / 54.90 Weekly : 44.19 / 55.81 Monthly : 47.29 / 52.71```
[2017-02-23 12:03:53] wurstgelee : sleger: ha ;)
[2017-02-23 12:03:56] ross : sleger: that is Noice
[2017-02-23 12:04:16] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Stamp is going off
[2017-02-23 12:04:18] reyno : Bitstamp is flying
[2017-02-23 12:04:40] InvalidUser : Damn nice sleger:
[2017-02-23 12:04:53] KyllingLolsson : /price
[2017-02-23 12:04:57] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1153.08 (1.37%) Bitfinex : 1147.00 (0.89%) The Woodchipper : 1123.00 (2.00%) itBit : 1145.89 (0.88%) Kraken : 1147.00 (0.84%) GDAX : 1147.55 (0.66%) ```
[2017-02-23 12:05:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 150 @ 1165.47
[2017-02-23 12:05:02] REKT : :btc: :rocket: :crescent_moon:
[2017-02-23 12:05:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 13000 @ 1167.03
[2017-02-23 12:05:05] ross : Okc leading this
[2017-02-23 12:05:16] wurstgelee : lol what?
[2017-02-23 12:05:19] ross : Lol shorter a really??
[2017-02-23 12:05:35] wurstgelee : okc leading nothing
[2017-02-23 12:05:55] ross : Initiated it
[2017-02-23 12:06:09] l3f : lol rapidtrades
[2017-02-23 12:06:13] l3f : thanks shorts
[2017-02-23 12:06:15] l3f : for the rocket fuel
[2017-02-23 12:06:29] l3f : I told you that rapidtrades is the best trader here
[2017-02-23 12:06:32] l3f : if you inverse him
[2017-02-23 12:06:37] alejandromasari : @rapidtrades = rapidlosses don't follow him
[2017-02-23 12:07:07] l3f : rapid's advice has made me many btcs
[2017-02-23 12:07:13] l3f : because he's a genius
[2017-02-23 12:07:14] sumwen : if you're "following" anyone you're already lost
[2017-02-23 12:07:23] sleger : alejandromasari: http://imgur.com/a/VvhAL
[2017-02-23 12:07:28] alejandromasari : he's an inverse indicator
[2017-02-23 12:07:31] sleger : nobody posts screenshots, there yu go
[2017-02-23 12:07:51] sleger : show us your pnl with your tiny position
[2017-02-23 12:08:57] ross : Prepare the champagne
[2017-02-23 12:08:58] .. : still not much rekt heh
[2017-02-23 12:09:02] .. : any moment now i guess
[2017-02-23 12:09:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 3300 @ 1169.48
[2017-02-23 12:09:23] DorianWhack-A-Moto : Incoming rekts
[2017-02-23 12:09:53] l3f : sleger: jesus
[2017-02-23 12:10:05] veritas : sleger: +1
[2017-02-23 12:10:52] DorianWhack-A-Moto : inspect element, change numbers, screenshot?
[2017-02-23 12:11:03] CutTheLosses : LoL
[2017-02-23 12:11:05] sleger : DorianWhack-A-Moto: you could do that yes
[2017-02-23 12:11:19] micmix : nah, sleger is for real, he has about 200 coins here
[2017-02-23 12:11:21] l3f : sleger: just reveal your name on the leaderboard
[2017-02-23 12:11:25] .. : seems to much work to do for all numbers
[2017-02-23 12:11:29] sleger : "sleger: alejandromasari: it is VERY easy to fake"
[2017-02-23 12:11:31] l3f : put them in their place
[2017-02-23 12:11:40] ross : sleger: post a picture with today's news paper in it, then we know
[2017-02-23 12:11:55] sleger : ross: who still reads newspaper
[2017-02-23 12:12:07] sleger : however good luck finding any number in that pic that doesnt make sense
[2017-02-23 12:12:24] ross : sleger: was a joke
[2017-02-23 12:12:25] sleger : unlike someone who posted a fake one yday and i called him on it
[2017-02-23 12:13:50] CutTheLosses : Bullstamp is horny
[2017-02-23 12:13:55] l3f : sleger: surprised you managed to build a 1m position on XBCH17
[2017-02-23 12:14:13] l3f : you'd have been number 1 open contracts holder
[2017-02-23 12:14:13] sleger : l3f: its not 1m
[2017-02-23 12:14:24] sleger : i was over 50% at one point
[2017-02-23 12:14:36] l3f : sleger: it must have been close to have realised that much profit already
[2017-02-23 12:15:00] l3f : did you buy with bots or manual?
[2017-02-23 12:15:04] -_- : 3 dollars away
[2017-02-23 12:15:08] sleger : manual
[2017-02-23 12:15:26] micmix : I think sleger was ADLed at least once, so all profit was moved to realized
[2017-02-23 12:15:29] l3f : how long did that take?
[2017-02-23 12:15:30] ross : Why didn't I open 100k
[2017-02-23 12:15:43] CutTheLosses : Bullstamp could rape a sheep no problem
[2017-02-23 12:15:54] sleger : micmix: oh yes i had 200-ish btc auto closed by adl
[2017-02-23 12:16:06] .. : oh stamp already touched 1160 lol
[2017-02-23 12:16:22] sleger : i had maybe 600btc max on xbch17
[2017-02-23 12:16:44] -_- : $26 away on Bitfinex
[2017-02-23 12:16:46] micmix : yeah, I remember when main MM bailed on XBC
[2017-02-23 12:17:02] sleger : only one side though mostly, he was limit up
[2017-02-23 12:17:14] micmix : yep
[2017-02-23 12:17:15] Gr33d : Incoming fomo next few hours from people who were waiting for a crash before ATH to buy in :)
[2017-02-23 12:17:20] .. : waiting for some rekt fuel here
[2017-02-23 12:17:24] InvalidUser : Who ever /u/ REKT is they suck at trading
[2017-02-23 12:17:27] InvalidUser : JK
[2017-02-23 12:17:53] rapidgains : what a time to be alive
[2017-02-23 12:18:00] InvalidUser : Yup
[2017-02-23 12:18:53] sleger : funny how alejandro stopped replying, this guy's a sjoke
[2017-02-23 12:18:54] blacktuesday : rekt will come when woodchipper catches up
[2017-02-23 12:19:24] Gr33d : pro tip:ETH is on the edge of a breakdown
[2017-02-23 12:19:27] ross : sleger: your photoshopped images shut him up
[2017-02-23 12:20:14] l3f : sleger: what's your position on okcasino?
[2017-02-23 12:20:32] sleger : l3f: i was long 8.5k contracts because of the 150$ discount
[2017-02-23 12:20:44] sleger : just finished closing there 2 min ago
[2017-02-23 12:21:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 1000 @ 7868.7
[2017-02-23 12:21:10] sleger : (by selling some weekly at 9$ premium against the remainer of my pos)
[2017-02-23 12:21:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 3000 @ 7877.9
[2017-02-23 12:21:33] l3f : sleger: their march is still pretty bearish
[2017-02-23 12:21:44] sleger : 32$ premium ?
[2017-02-23 12:21:53] l3f : compared to the euphoria here
[2017-02-23 12:21:56] l3f : H17
[2017-02-23 12:22:12] l3f : oh they caught right up
[2017-02-23 12:22:16] sleger : its the same premium as here
[2017-02-23 12:22:17] l3f : it was 1140 eseconds ago
[2017-02-23 12:22:22] sleger : no it wasnt
[2017-02-23 12:22:42] ross : Next 8888
[2017-02-23 12:23:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 700 @ 1143.73
[2017-02-23 12:23:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: buy 3000 @ 1143.37
[2017-02-23 12:23:21] ross : Need some megas
[2017-02-23 12:23:52] micmix : l3f: okc index is $1124 compared to $1143 here
[2017-02-23 12:24:02] cryptobull : ohhh weeee :)
[2017-02-23 12:24:17] ross : If we break 1150 there're will be some pain
[2017-02-23 12:24:26] m3s : am I dreaming ?
[2017-02-23 12:25:16] longbydefault : it's beautiful (teary eyed)
[2017-02-23 12:25:53] .. : finexx
[2017-02-23 12:25:57] elmorte : Wtf happened? The fundamentals are so weak
[2017-02-23 12:26:01] PARAFFIN : /price
[2017-02-23 12:26:03] ross : From .7 loss yesterday to 2.1 prof
[2017-02-23 12:26:04] trollbot : ``` Bitstamp : 1155.44 (0.20%) Bitfinex : 1149.90 (0.25%) The Woodchipper : 1131.15 (0.73%) itBit : 1148.86 (0.26%) Kraken : 1149.61 (0.23%) GDAX : 1149.00 (0.13%) ```
[2017-02-23 12:26:10] l3f : elmorte: lol'd hard
[2017-02-23 12:27:54] InvalidUser : All lot of people shorted 4 min before this pump to get out of paying 6 bucks in fees
[2017-02-23 12:28:05] longbydefault : lol
[2017-02-23 12:28:33] ross : InvalidUser: now they're paying more than $6
[2017-02-23 12:28:44] -_- : no big dump before stamp ATH
[2017-02-23 12:28:50] -_- : that's no fun
[2017-02-23 12:29:19] InvalidUser : I am in deep, it better not stop
[2017-02-23 12:30:03] reyno : InvalidUser: How deeps deep?
[2017-02-23 12:30:36] InvalidUser : about 90% of what I play with at 25x
[2017-02-23 12:30:44] PARAFFIN : reyno: depends how long u are
[2017-02-23 12:31:09] InvalidUser : I have made 3 buys on the way up from 1125
[2017-02-23 12:31:13] reyno : I exited a third of my position at 1139
[2017-02-23 12:31:24] reyno : long from 116 25x
[2017-02-23 12:31:27] bigdickbandit : Closed at 1144
[2017-02-23 12:31:30] bigdickbandit : Fuark
[2017-02-23 12:31:32] reyno : 1116*
[2017-02-23 12:31:43] InvalidUser : nice
[2017-02-23 12:32:17] CutTheLosses : i am short. everybody make fun of me please
[2017-02-23 12:32:50] reyno : CutTheLosses: Do your username
[2017-02-23 12:32:53] JT : how short are we talkin here? 5'? Certainly not 4'...
[2017-02-23 12:33:05] l3f : CutTheLosses: wait for the dip, don't close during the pump
[2017-02-23 12:33:09] l3f : there will be a dip
[2017-02-23 12:33:29] CutTheLosses : there is always a dip somehow
[2017-02-23 12:33:31] reyno : can stamp make the ATH without a dip?
[2017-02-23 12:33:58] InvalidUser : 3 dollars left
[2017-02-23 12:34:09] wurstgelee : i can make a dip without ATH if that helps
[2017-02-23 12:35:42] veritas : ATH ATH - the chinese aint looking at that.... they thinking (ima do this with my fiat - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEmdNT1tEEw)
[2017-02-23 12:42:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 1200 @ 1139.44
[2017-02-23 12:42:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 620 @ 1138.40
[2017-02-23 12:45:07] l3f : rekt longs incoming
[2017-02-23 12:45:36] PARAFFIN : OH OH
[2017-02-23 12:46:43] ross : Waiting for the dump
[2017-02-23 12:48:01] alejandromasari : no dump
[2017-02-23 12:48:07] alejandromasari : flash rise
[2017-02-23 12:48:12] alejandromasari : 1400
[2017-02-23 12:48:25] alejandromasari : I am very bullish
[2017-02-23 12:48:48] n00bie : holy shit my long survived from yesterday
[2017-02-23 12:49:38] InvalidUser : I don't see a dump either
[2017-02-23 12:49:44] l3f : Hey Bitmex_Sam is it possible to see the ROE and account profit on the balances page?
[2017-02-23 12:49:49] ross : I was told there would be one
[2017-02-23 12:50:12] l3f : (feature request)
[2017-02-23 12:53:22] BTCDJS : Listen guys
[2017-02-23 12:53:32] BTCDJS : at the end of the day
[2017-02-23 12:53:33] elmorte : BTCDJS: shut up
[2017-02-23 12:53:47] BTCDJS : its dark
[2017-02-23 12:54:02] elmorte : It's fckin 9 pm
[2017-02-23 12:54:19] elmorte : In February
[2017-02-23 12:54:43] BTCDJS : elmorte: you having wife troubles again?