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[2017-02-22 15:44:19] herpinator : /sentiment
[2017-02-22 15:44:22] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 14.79/85.21 Daily: 42.57/57.44 Weekly: 43.37/56.63 Monthly: 47.44/52.56
[2017-02-22 15:44:41] LocoPoco Chatocho : Stamp 1134
[2017-02-22 15:45:11] herpinator : combined orderbooks looking thin on buy side
[2017-02-22 15:45:14] sleger : when it reopens, all margin shorts will auto close
[2017-02-22 15:47:00] cryptobull : finex is up again
[2017-02-22 15:47:11] herpinator : ya w
[2017-02-22 15:47:16] herpinator : we back
[2017-02-22 15:47:29] .. : 130k JPY on flyer, for what it's worth
[2017-02-22 15:48:32] rapidgains : ddos dumps are so 2015
[2017-02-22 15:48:56] .. : lol yeh, could actually work by that time too
[2017-02-22 15:49:00] aguia7 : Go go bitcoin, to 1130 :)
[2017-02-22 15:49:05] rapidgains : this prob helped finex market buy 1130 lmao
[2017-02-22 15:50:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH17`: buy 150 @ 1154.30
[2017-02-22 15:51:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBCH17`: buy 12400 @ 7766.8
[2017-02-22 15:52:33] jzayy : what is realized pnl?? It's always negative
[2017-02-22 15:52:40] sleger : trade better
[2017-02-22 15:52:43] Gr33d : lol
[2017-02-22 15:52:52] jzayy : I am up in the trade lol.
[2017-02-22 15:53:00] jzayy : my unrealized pnl is 25%
[2017-02-22 15:53:07] sleger : fees
[2017-02-22 15:53:12] jzayy : oh ok
[2017-02-22 15:53:16] Gr33d : ... Well, you are only 'up' when you close it at profit.
[2017-02-22 15:53:25] Gr33d : Until then it doesn't count ;)
[2017-02-22 15:53:37] herpinator : ^
[2017-02-22 15:53:43] LocoPoco Chatocho : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[2017-02-22 15:53:53] jzayy : so if your short do you gain interest?
[2017-02-22 15:53:54] herpinator : and you only profit from btc when you cash out to fiat
[2017-02-22 15:53:55] odieoh : Paper gains are pretty cool though
[2017-02-22 15:54:02] odieoh : yes jzayy
[2017-02-22 15:54:15] odieoh : yes indeed
[2017-02-22 15:54:25] odieoh : back up the truck and start shoveling in the profits
[2017-02-22 15:54:38] jzayy : ok good to know. Shorting alts a better way to long bitcoin without fees if only there was any liquidity
[2017-02-22 15:54:58] aguia7 : If we use the graph in Bitfinex, to operate, to negotiate, can it work? Because, in chart bitfinex, have more candles.
[2017-02-22 15:55:28] odieoh : Well more candles is nice
[2017-02-22 15:55:31] jzayy : no one fomoing btc contracts here . sad :(
[2017-02-22 15:55:42] odieoh : set your chart to 1 sec intervals and there will be lots
[2017-02-22 15:56:02] jzayy : bitstamp has better fomo
[2017-02-22 15:56:27] ross : Someone break the wall
[2017-02-22 15:57:39] herpinator : 3k btc sell for -1% move 5k btc buy for +1% move
[2017-02-22 15:58:36] GTmann : guys, sorry this is noob level, but where can i find the calculations to determine actual PNL
[2017-02-22 15:59:31] aguia7 : http://www.tradingview.com/x/bcZ03naP cup handle
[2017-02-22 16:00:34] fulrik : I have another noob-question. Currently engaged with a BTC swap contract. I bought the contract at 5x. But now when I look at open positions it says 2.95x. Why is that?
[2017-02-22 16:00:35] BitMEX_Wally : GTmann: https://www.bitmex.com/app/seriesGuide/XBT#Marking-and-Settlement
[2017-02-22 16:00:54] BitMEX_Wally : fulrik: Your effective leverage has decreased because you are in profit
[2017-02-22 16:01:40] -_- : these sell bots need to be turned off. why you want to sell right below ATH and then have to buy higher I do not know
[2017-02-22 16:01:52] fulrik : BitMEX_Wally: That is what puzzles me. I am in profit in "Realised PNL" but under Unrealised PNL I have a loss
[2017-02-22 16:01:56] herpinator : -_-: maybe they are taking profit
[2017-02-22 16:02:37] BitMEX_Wally : fulrik: Unrealised PNL the difference between your entry price and the current mark price. Realised PNL is any fees paid, including funding, and any PNL from partially closing the position
[2017-02-22 16:03:33] cryptokeeper : down we go
[2017-02-22 16:03:51] fulrik : BitMEX_Wally But I didn't close the potition partially. I haven't touched it since I made it
[2017-02-22 16:03:58] fulrik : position*
[2017-02-22 16:04:21] BitMEX_Wally : fulrik: Probably funding payments received then
[2017-02-22 16:04:24] cryptokeeper : quarts dropping off
[2017-02-22 16:04:35] cryptokeeper : CANCEL ALL ORDERS!
[2017-02-22 16:04:41] cryptokeeper : we will not be mooning atm
[2017-02-22 16:04:50] fulrik : BitMEX_Wally: Okay. Also. How can I calculate how much I will pay to have the contract open?
[2017-02-22 16:04:57] y1uy : BitMEX_Wally: my eth trade got liquidated way above my liq price, tf is going on?
[2017-02-22 16:05:33] Sultan Pepper : *This troll box is boring, and the /jokes are all old. We need something fresh, tasty, and bold. Hold off on the chilis, I've got something better. What this place needs is a little Sultan Pepper.*
[2017-02-22 16:05:42] BitMEX_Wally : fulrik: The funding rate is shown in the top right with a countdown
[2017-02-22 16:05:57] BitMEX_Wally : y1uy: We send an email explaining the liquidation and the prices
[2017-02-22 16:07:33] fulrik : BitMEX_Wally: Can't really seem to find that Where am I looking? On the "Margin" widget?
[2017-02-22 16:07:54] BitMEX_Wally : fulrik: Top right in the ticker bar.
[2017-02-22 16:08:05] BitMEX_Wally : fulrik: Also it is in the Contract Details widget on the side bar
[2017-02-22 16:08:09] BitMEX_Wally : Also it is in the fees page
[2017-02-22 16:08:15] BitMEX_Wally : Also it is in the contact specification
[2017-02-22 16:09:02] BitMEX_Wally : `Funding Rate 0.3750% In 3 hours` so if you are short you will receive 0.375% of the value of your position
[2017-02-22 16:11:36] sleger : BitMEX_Wally: when are you planning to announce a change on index calculation ?
[2017-02-22 16:14:40] cryptokeeper : yeah that needs to desperately be changed
[2017-02-22 16:15:04] cryptokeeper : quarts dumpage
[2017-02-22 16:15:05] herpinator : i agree
[2017-02-22 16:15:11] cryptokeeper : dump it... pump it
[2017-02-22 16:15:40] BitMEX_Wally : We launched a new `.BXBTJPY` index and quarterly today. `.BXBTUSD` to be announced soon as a we are happy with stability
[2017-02-22 16:15:49] aeos : Sultan Pepper: lol
[2017-02-22 16:17:07] Sultan Pepper : aeos: i'm gonna quit my job to be a poet who buys dips
[2017-02-22 16:18:00] sleger : BitMEX_Wally: days or weeks ?
[2017-02-22 16:18:06] j8 : BitMEX_Wally: XBTH17 will settle on a different index?
[2017-02-22 16:18:35] sleger : I hope not !
[2017-02-22 16:18:40] j8 : i thought you guys said you were waiting for that
[2017-02-22 16:18:59] sleger : they could have index for spot and index for h17 different, then new quaterly on new index
[2017-02-22 16:19:09] j8 : that would make sense to me
[2017-02-22 16:19:23] sleger : yes cant modify a live contract again like h17
[2017-02-22 16:19:33] j8 : unless OKC goes full market disruption event
[2017-02-22 16:19:49] sleger : yes of course
[2017-02-22 16:20:17] sleger : almost done closing my long there, almost withdrew everything, never any issue withwithdrawals
[2017-02-22 16:20:33] BitMEX_Greg : j8: No we will most likely keep it on the same index
[2017-02-22 16:21:13] j8 : alright.
[2017-02-22 16:22:05] j8 : tradeblock XBX is removing okc.com.. probably the right decision but for the wrong reasons
[2017-02-22 16:22:38] NukeLaloosh : BitMEX_Greg: the docs don't say what the .BXBTUSD is based on
[2017-02-22 16:22:41] j8 : the reason being the withdrawal halt at okc.cn
[2017-02-22 16:22:42] Wings : /price
[2017-02-22 16:22:43] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1126.18 (-0.34%)
[2017-02-22 16:22:43] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1126.7 (-0.15%)
[2017-02-22 16:22:43] trollbot : GDAX: 1129.26 (0.09%)
[2017-02-22 16:22:43] trollbot : Kraken: 1126.56 (-0.1%)
[2017-02-22 16:22:43] trollbot : itBit: 1129.65 (0.41%)
[2017-02-22 16:22:44] trollbot : OKCoin: 1107.77 (0.25%)
[2017-02-22 16:22:51] BitMEX_Greg : NukeLaloosh: Yes we have not announced it yet
[2017-02-22 16:22:52] Wings : /sentiment
[2017-02-22 16:22:55] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 29.83/70.17 Daily: 42.03/57.97 Weekly: 43.25/56.75 Monthly: 47.38/52.62
[2017-02-22 16:23:19] NukeLaloosh : BitMEX_Greg: but you're already using in in xbj
[2017-02-22 16:24:15] BitMEX_Greg : NukeLaloosh: XBJ is a different index to .BXBTUSD
[2017-02-22 16:24:24] sleger : j8: stupid reason lol
[2017-02-22 16:24:25] herpinator : -1% move requires 2.4k btc to be sold +1% move requires 4.65k to be bought
[2017-02-22 16:25:15] NukeLaloosh : BitMEX_Greg: oops, i meant .BXBTJPY --what are its constituents?
[2017-02-22 16:25:23] sleger : seems symmetric @herpinator
[2017-02-22 16:25:34] sleger : NukeLaloosh: tuna, salmon and eel
[2017-02-22 16:25:43] BitMEX_Greg : NukeLaloosh: 50% Bitflyer and 50% Quoine
[2017-02-22 16:25:48] elmorte : radioactive eel
[2017-02-22 16:25:59] NukeLaloosh : BitMEX_Greg: spot?
[2017-02-22 16:26:17] BitMEX_Greg : NukeLaloosh: We are using the Bitflyer FX spot price
[2017-02-22 16:27:14] NukeLaloosh : BitMEX_Greg: 50% bitflyer spot, 50% quione ```what?```
[2017-02-22 16:27:19] NukeLaloosh : spot?
[2017-02-22 16:27:36] BitMEX_Greg : NukeLaloosh: Spot price for both
[2017-02-22 16:27:57] aeos : Sultan Pepper: hahaha i will tip you for sure
[2017-02-22 16:28:51] NukeLaloosh : BitMEX_Greg: japan you so crazy. premium melons, premium bitcoin
[2017-02-22 16:29:21] BitMEX_Greg : NukeLaloosh: Have you ever tried any of their premium melons or grapes?
[2017-02-22 16:29:24] BitMEX_Greg : Pretty amazing
[2017-02-22 16:30:05] j8 : bitflyer FX is a derivative, it shouldn't be in a spot index
[2017-02-22 16:30:17] Sultan Pepper : aeos: i've got my tin can out ;)
[2017-02-22 16:30:20] NukeLaloosh : lol i've heard. didn't try when in tokyo a year ago, first time there, blew my mind
[2017-02-22 16:30:52] BitMEX_Greg : n00b: This is your first warning. Please do not beg on this chatbox
[2017-02-22 16:31:00] sleger : j8: he said "Bitflyer FX spot price" is it not spot ?
[2017-02-22 16:31:08] sleger : havent traded there
[2017-02-22 16:31:08] j8 : nope
[2017-02-22 16:31:21] j8 : it's a derivative even though it pretends to be spot
[2017-02-22 16:31:25] j8 : can't withdraw those coins
[2017-02-22 16:31:29] sleger : like the swap here ?
[2017-02-22 16:31:34] BitMEX_Greg : j8: The FX market is the market that international traders can trade on
[2017-02-22 16:31:44] n00b : BitMEX_Greg: ty and sorry greg, just looking for someone to talk to and *not* stink up the chat
[2017-02-22 16:31:53] BitMEX_Greg : n00b: Try reddit
[2017-02-22 16:31:56] j8 : BitMEX_Greg: can they buy and sell actual coins there?
[2017-02-22 16:33:26] BitMEX_Greg : j8: I haven't personally traded there. From what I understand, if you are an international trader and trade on the main platform then you are subject to the tax on sales (something like 8% or so). This is the Lightning FX platform: https://lightning.bitflyer.jp/trade
[2017-02-22 16:33:46] BitMEX_Greg : I believe this is the price that you see on cryptowatch and other charting sites
[2017-02-22 16:34:19] j8 : yeah, i've looked at it, it's a bit hard to figure out, but basically it's margined in JPY and you can't deposit/withdraw BTC
[2017-02-22 16:34:33] .. : cryptowatch has both but FX does have more than 2x vol
[2017-02-22 16:36:04] herpinator : n00b: after a google search you can see your begging all over the internet, that is pathetic. why do you beg like that?
[2017-02-22 16:36:11] BitMEX_Greg : j8: I'll confirm later this week, we have a call with them on Thursday
[2017-02-22 16:36:20] j8 : right on
[2017-02-22 16:36:27] n00b : herpinator: i have never begged?
[2017-02-22 16:36:43] herpinator : n00b: how comes if I google search the email all your begging comes up then?
[2017-02-22 16:37:12] herpinator : come on you gotta work like the rest of us. no such thing as a free lunch
[2017-02-22 16:37:53] n00b : herpinator: the only thing that would come up is maybe my old gamertag and my facebook o.e
[2017-02-22 16:38:58] herpinator : n00b: so you are a liar and a beggar? sad. What would your parents and forefathers say to such dishonest behavior?!
[2017-02-22 16:39:24] sleger : n00b: if you lost 2 grand it's money you could afford to lose, so it's all fine.
[2017-02-22 16:39:30] herpinator : ^
[2017-02-22 16:39:34] NukeLaloosh : j8: so xbj is half spot half derivative?
[2017-02-22 16:40:03] j8 : the contract is fully a derivative, the index is apparently half derivative
[2017-02-22 16:40:43] n00b : sleger: is it worth buying any btc at this price with etf deadline soon?
[2017-02-22 16:41:05] sleger : n00b: if you have no money left like you said you cant buy anything anyways, so why bother ?
[2017-02-22 16:41:15] cryptokeeper : dump it
[2017-02-22 16:41:26] startChat : wtf are the noises on this site? https://lightning.bitflyer.jp
[2017-02-22 16:41:33] cryptokeeper : PBOC doesnt like Bitfinex
[2017-02-22 16:41:36] startChat : https://lightning.bitflyer.jp/trade
[2017-02-22 16:41:44] NukeLaloosh : j8: yes, did mean the index. making the bitflyer half would be more volatile it would seem.
[2017-02-22 16:41:45] elmorte : ghosts of dead whales?
[2017-02-22 16:41:56] n00b : sleger: im out of expendable cash but using my real money seems like the only option, even if foolish. untill my loss i was up 300% in 4 days
[2017-02-22 16:42:15] sleger : if its money you cant afford to lose then you cant use it
[2017-02-22 16:42:32] n00b : sleger: ok ty for your help <3 :*
[2017-02-22 16:46:25] Chewie : burger king girl? lol
[2017-02-22 16:46:40] KyllingLolsson : Berber kerg
[2017-02-22 16:46:56] MikeHunt : /sentiment
[2017-02-22 16:46:58] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 45.27/54.73 Daily: 42.63/57.37 Weekly: 43.34/56.66 Monthly: 47.41/52.59
[2017-02-22 16:47:40] cryptokeeper : u got to dump it... before you pump it
[2017-02-22 16:47:46] cryptokeeper : u got to work it... before you....
[2017-02-22 16:48:33] Sultan Pepper : Twerk it baby
[2017-02-22 16:48:40] sleger : /joke
[2017-02-22 16:48:46] trollbot : Fifty Shades got $47 Million at the box office... There seems to be a lot of women who don't get offended by a billionaire grabbing a girl by the pussy.
[2017-02-22 16:50:33] KyllingLolsson : /triggerme
[2017-02-22 16:50:39] KyllingLolsson : Damn
[2017-02-22 16:51:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 800 @ 1117.12
[2017-02-22 16:51:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 6500 @ 1117.04
[2017-02-22 16:51:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: sell 10008 @ 1117.05
[2017-02-22 16:51:45] thomaskikansha : ouch
[2017-02-22 16:52:09] rapidtrades : lol liqd already?
[2017-02-22 16:52:09] rapidtrades : weak longs
[2017-02-22 16:52:10] mark121 : ya 800 contracts
[2017-02-22 16:52:13] mark121 : "ouch"
[2017-02-22 16:52:14] mark121 : :p
[2017-02-22 16:52:20] MikeHunt : 100x suicidals
[2017-02-22 16:52:38] GTmann : is it always 100x by that bot?
[2017-02-22 16:52:41] rapidtrades : mark121: its 16k idiot
[2017-02-22 16:53:12] sleger : the 800 was him
[2017-02-22 16:53:18] sleger : thats why he said ouch
[2017-02-22 16:53:21] sleger : poor guy
[2017-02-22 16:53:37] sleger : it was his (mark121)
[2017-02-22 16:53:48] rapidtrades : :(
[2017-02-22 16:55:19] GTmann : if your trading with isolated leverage, then if liquidated, only whats in margin is lost right?
[2017-02-22 16:55:29] sleger : right
[2017-02-22 16:55:34] tb : unrealized pnl + margin
[2017-02-22 16:55:45] rapidtrades : no
[2017-02-22 16:55:56] j8 : upl is included in margin
[2017-02-22 16:56:03] tb : cool
[2017-02-22 16:56:05] tb : thanks
[2017-02-22 16:56:07] elmorte : if positive
[2017-02-22 16:56:13] j8 : yes ^
[2017-02-22 16:57:16] NukeLaloosh : j8: any more clarity on what is BTC-FX/JPY?
[2017-02-22 16:57:58] elmorte : NukeLaloosh: how many of those open 17k contracts are yours? :)
[2017-02-22 16:58:12] NukeLaloosh : elmorte: a couple
[2017-02-22 16:58:32] MikeHunt : /sentiment
[2017-02-22 16:58:35] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 53.08/46.93 Daily: 42.62/57.38 Weekly: 43.38/56.62 Monthly: 47.41/52.59
[2017-02-22 16:59:03] elmorte : do you just hold till settlement? There is no liquidity @NukeLaloosh
[2017-02-22 16:59:39] NukeLaloosh : i'm trying to understand what i'm looking at first. seems there's < 1% premium on that contract at the moment
[2017-02-22 16:59:53] elmorte : yeah, mm is back it seems
[2017-02-22 17:00:06] elmorte : there were but 4-5 quotes yesterday
[2017-02-22 17:00:21] NukeLaloosh : it wasn't there yesterday
[2017-02-22 17:00:30] NukeLaloosh : this is a new quarterly. yesterday was the 24h
[2017-02-22 17:00:42] elmorte : oh damn...I missed that
[2017-02-22 17:01:15] elmorte : oh, so going long might be a decent call if you can figure out what it settles on....gotcha
[2017-02-22 17:02:12] j8 : NukeLaloosh: its hard to find details but i think it's something like BTCC Pro Exchange. leveraged trading, but not a real spot market
[2017-02-22 17:02:52] j8 : it's basically at the same price as their spot exchange right now. all the JPY markets are flying high
[2017-02-22 17:03:15] NukeLaloosh : exactly elmorte. xbc premium is around 3.6%, xbt is around 2.7%.
[2017-02-22 17:03:43] sleger : the risk is quite big with quoine spikes in prices
[2017-02-22 17:03:49] rapidtrades : aren't u guys tired of making up excuses why we should go up?
[2017-02-22 17:03:51] sleger : easy to get liquidated at off market rates
[2017-02-22 17:03:59] rapidtrades : wake up and smell the coffee
[2017-02-22 17:04:07] elmorte : NukeLaloosh: it's still 1145 USD
[2017-02-22 17:04:10] sleger : rapidtrades: reasons come by themselves, its just magic, no need to make them up
[2017-02-22 17:04:19] rapidtrades : first u were sucking china's penii now ur doing the same with japan
[2017-02-22 17:04:21] j8 : lower premium = market pricing in the arb
[2017-02-22 17:04:31] NukeLaloosh : j8: thanks
[2017-02-22 17:04:47] MikeHunt : rapidtrades: grorious nippon has replaced china apparently
[2017-02-22 17:04:52] rapidtrades : we're below the highs 1 month ago and also below the 3 year highs
[2017-02-22 17:05:09] rapidtrades : face the music bitches
[2017-02-22 17:05:39] elmorte : jan 23?
[2017-02-22 17:05:44] elmorte : we were below 950
[2017-02-22 17:06:04] sleger : and yet the price keeps going up
[2017-02-22 17:06:08] sleger : broken record rapid
[2017-02-22 17:06:21] MikeHunt : probably a pullback
[2017-02-22 17:06:24] Sultan Pepper : Problem longs?
[2017-02-22 17:06:25] MikeHunt : not a full crash
[2017-02-22 17:06:29] rapidtrades : how is it going up if we're below the highs set 3 years ago stupid
[2017-02-22 17:06:31] Sultan Pepper : 4xx here we come
[2017-02-22 17:06:33] sleger : going against the trend for the first time was a big mistake
[2017-02-22 17:06:48] ronensinger : sleger: Sleggggah
[2017-02-22 17:06:49] rapidtrades : there no such thing as a 'trend'
[2017-02-22 17:06:56] sleger : rapidtrades: the price is ALWAYS below the high dummy
[2017-02-22 17:06:56] Sultan Pepper : Vaping
[2017-02-22 17:07:00] Sultan Pepper : man buns
[2017-02-22 17:07:04] rapidtrades : its just ppl doing what worked last, buying dips
[2017-02-22 17:07:08] NukeLaloosh : sleger: agreed. didn't like quione. tried it for awhile, seemed more volatile than other exchanges, bad UI, huge transfer fees
[2017-02-22 17:07:10] ronensinger : sleger: Not unless its setting a new high
[2017-02-22 17:07:27] rapidtrades : sleger:high THREE YEARS AGO
[2017-02-22 17:07:43] sleger : the fake gox price ?
[2017-02-22 17:07:59] j8 : market cap matters
[2017-02-22 17:08:20] rapidtrades : no this is the fake price , we got here by chinese doing an exit cos they were the pboc will crack down
[2017-02-22 17:08:28] j8 : and price is above the high in many world currencies
[2017-02-22 17:08:31] rapidtrades : now its just the dumb west that's unable to realize it
[2017-02-22 17:08:31] sleger : people use bitcoin left and right, its total mass adoption, completely different
[2017-02-22 17:08:38] sleger : soon mexican pesos replaced by bitcoin
[2017-02-22 17:08:39] rapidtrades : ur delusional
[2017-02-22 17:09:08] elmorte : yeah...I heard hookers tattoo qr codes now to charge...
[2017-02-22 17:09:11] ronensinger : sleger: Mexican pesos will never be replaced by bitcoin
[2017-02-22 17:09:21] sleger : if you were long im sure you would find it normal and agree with all those reasons @rapidtrades
[2017-02-22 17:09:28] sleger : ronensinger: i know im joking to piss him off
[2017-02-22 17:09:41] ronensinger : sleger: Considering your past record, I sometimes can't tell
[2017-02-22 17:09:54] elmorte : Ouch...
[2017-02-22 17:09:57] rapidtrades : i would not, i was long in january and i told u that we're only going up cos of capital flight before crackdown in china
[2017-02-22 17:10:02] rapidtrades : look up the archives
[2017-02-22 17:10:11] sleger : i know
[2017-02-22 17:10:13] ronensinger : elmorte: It's an inside joke. One day sleger convinced me he hacked me
[2017-02-22 17:10:24] elmorte : Oh that was you
[2017-02-22 17:10:29] ronensinger : elmorte: Yeah
[2017-02-22 17:10:33] j8 : rapidtrades: and what will you say if it's above ATH without any news in the next week or two
[2017-02-22 17:10:42] elmorte : It's on public record...but yeah, inside :p
[2017-02-22 17:10:46] sleger : "ouch" is what he will say
[2017-02-22 17:11:03] rapidtrades : ATH doesn't matter, its just a number for newbs to focus on
[2017-02-22 17:11:10] elmorte : j8: according to sleger, it cannot be above ATH
[2017-02-22 17:11:13] j8 : you're pretty focused on it!
[2017-02-22 17:11:18] rapidtrades : only ETF news matters for the upside now
[2017-02-22 17:11:22] sleger : elmorte: never
[2017-02-22 17:11:30] elmorte : logical
[2017-02-22 17:11:35] j8 : autistic
[2017-02-22 17:11:37] cryptokeeper : dump it dump it dump it
[2017-02-22 17:11:40] sleger : "rapidtrades: ATH doesn't matter" <=wtf you're the one who keeps bringing it up !!!
[2017-02-22 17:11:48] rapidtrades : j8: i mentioned it cos u all acting like bitcoin only goes up and it will do so forever
[2017-02-22 17:11:52] Sam : /sentiment
[2017-02-22 17:11:56] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 63.37/36.63 Daily: 42.64/57.37 Weekly: 43.41/56.59 Monthly: 47.43/52.57
[2017-02-22 17:11:57] startChat : WW3 would help for upside
[2017-02-22 17:12:26] BitBIT : /sentiment
[2017-02-22 17:12:28] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 63.15/36.86 Daily: 42.63/57.37 Weekly: 43.41/56.59 Monthly: 47.43/52.57
[2017-02-22 17:12:34] sleger : rapidtrades: no i dont agree, it wont go up forever. It will take a small break after reaching 2500$, just to give a call to aethlios from the moon, and then will resume higher
[2017-02-22 17:12:53] ronensinger : sleger: Are you serious or not?
[2017-02-22 17:13:00] rapidtrades : there's no reason why it should go to 2500
[2017-02-22 17:13:10] sleger : people paying 2500 for it
[2017-02-22 17:13:13] sleger : is a good reason
[2017-02-22 17:13:24] rapidtrades : i want to see the dat that supports ur claim of more adoption > higher price
[2017-02-22 17:13:41] sleger : its just supply and demand
[2017-02-22 17:13:44] rapidtrades : cos we had adoption from 2014 to now and we're still below the highs
[2017-02-22 17:13:47] sleger : thats how all markets work
[2017-02-22 17:13:56] sleger : "rapidtrades: ATH doesn't matter"
[2017-02-22 17:14:10] ronensinger : sleger: What's your current position?
[2017-02-22 17:14:12] sleger : you're just contradicting yourself now
[2017-02-22 17:14:15] rapidtrades : this is not a stock its a currency, so technically it would 'work' with a price of $50 just as good
[2017-02-22 17:14:16] sleger : ronensinger: sitted
[2017-02-22 17:14:26] sleger : rapidtrades: its not a currency !
[2017-02-22 17:14:28] ronensinger : sleger: For fucks sake
[2017-02-22 17:14:29] sleger : it's a commodity
[2017-02-22 17:14:30] j8 : not really a currency
[2017-02-22 17:14:46] sleger : 99% commo, 1% currency
[2017-02-22 17:14:51] rapidtrades : virtual tokens are not a comodity lol
[2017-02-22 17:15:10] ronensinger : rapidtrades: You and slager seem to always be on this website
[2017-02-22 17:15:29] rapidtrades : i have nothing better to do
[2017-02-22 17:15:31] cryptokeeper : this is their life and home.
[2017-02-22 17:15:31] j8 : commodity seems to be what people go for, but it's pretty different from that too
[2017-02-22 17:15:32] cryptokeeper : see the shower is in the corner
[2017-02-22 17:15:39] cryptokeeper : and their shitter
[2017-02-22 17:15:48] rullwull : rapidtrades: this is deflation currency, it will rise as more adoption
[2017-02-22 17:16:05] rapidtrades : its not a deflationary currency
[2017-02-22 17:16:12] rapidtrades : its still inflating at 4%
[2017-02-22 17:16:22] ronensinger : rapidtrades: It will eventually deflate
[2017-02-22 17:16:32] rapidtrades : markets don't look that far out bro
[2017-02-22 17:16:43] rapidtrades : bitcoin will likely be dead before that phase
[2017-02-22 17:16:55] elmorte : better short
[2017-02-22 17:16:58] rullwull : rapidtrades: it is, it has a limited emission
[2017-02-22 17:16:58] ronensinger : rapidtrades: I agree. Quantum computers are just around the corner
[2017-02-22 17:17:15] GTmann : nah not around the corner, unless its a big radius
[2017-02-22 17:17:16] j8 : people bought at much higher inflation rates and they were looking ahead to now, a couple halvings later
[2017-02-22 17:17:28] j8 : and it worked out great
[2017-02-22 17:17:36] ronensinger : Adios guys
[2017-02-22 17:17:37] GTmann : i think the record is factoring 21 into 7 and 3 so far
[2017-02-22 17:17:40] rapidtrades : and again we're still below 3 year highs, so no it did not work out great
[2017-02-22 17:17:46] rapidtrades : stop rewriting history
[2017-02-22 17:17:51] j8 : GTmann: oh really that
[2017-02-22 17:18:01] startChat : rapidtrades: many more coins
[2017-02-22 17:18:04] j8 : that's pretty good, last i heard it was 15 into 5x3
[2017-02-22 17:18:19] GTmann : j8: that might be it
[2017-02-22 17:18:26] rapidtrades : the last Bitcoin will be mined on May 7th, 2140.
[2017-02-22 17:18:26] elmorte : Can't tell if you guys are joking or serious
[2017-02-22 17:18:35] GTmann : dead serious
[2017-02-22 17:18:49] elmorte : just around the corner then..
[2017-02-22 17:19:32] -_- : i might live till 170
[2017-02-22 17:19:44] rapidtrades : http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/commodity.asp
[2017-02-22 17:19:44] -_- : i'll say i was there when the first and last bitcoin was mined
[2017-02-22 17:20:05] MikeHunt : bitcoin = modern tullip
[2017-02-22 17:20:44] GTmann : also there is thermodynamics barrier to factoring as well, i think it was best put, "wont happen till computers are made of stuff other than matter, and occupy something other than space"
[2017-02-22 17:21:42] j8 : great read: Scott Aaronson - Quantum Computing Since Democritus
[2017-02-22 17:21:42] NukeLaloosh : GTmann: you see the story on china's comms satellite using quantum entanglement?
[2017-02-22 17:22:04] sleger : quantum computers wouldnt break bitcoin anyways, one part of validation is resistant to it and protocol can be easily changed there are already algos resilient to quantum calculations so thats not even an issue
[2017-02-22 17:22:26] elmorte : would quantum computers make the mining too powerful or cracking the private keys too easy?
[2017-02-22 17:22:46] rapidtrades : bitcoin weakest link are the developers
[2017-02-22 17:22:52] rapidtrades : and the community
[2017-02-22 17:23:09] rapidtrades : literally anythign can happen including changing the 21 mil limit
[2017-02-22 17:24:18] GTmann : i wish i was genius enough to answer
[2017-02-22 17:24:27] rapidtrades : so buying now and holding until deflation kicks in 15 years from now its really stupid
[2017-02-22 17:24:31] Kalman : democracy never been a good idea and the dependency on electrical power will sometime ....
[2017-02-22 17:24:47] MikeHunt : Kalman: democracy has a purpose in the grand scheme of things
[2017-02-22 17:24:59] Apocalyptic : elmorte: not for mining
[2017-02-22 17:25:09] Kalman : MikeHunt: nice ;)
[2017-02-22 17:25:10] Apocalyptic : as for cracking private keys it depends
[2017-02-22 17:25:20] rapidtrades : let me know when gold's supply can increase overnight with ha decision from 20 nerds and then i'll agree that bitcoin is in the same type of commoddity
[2017-02-22 17:25:22] j8 : i think SHA hashing is vulnerable but ECDSA maybe not?
[2017-02-22 17:25:35] Apocalyptic : it you have used the address in the past to spend, you have revealed the public key
[2017-02-22 17:25:40] MikeHunt : j8: NSA/GCHQ will always likely be able to crack it
[2017-02-22 17:25:46] Apocalyptic : so a QC could get the private
[2017-02-22 17:25:52] GTmann : guys is the taker fee applied to margin(in btc) or #contracts (in usd) or something else?
[2017-02-22 17:26:00] elmorte : Apocalyptic: Thank you!
[2017-02-22 17:26:11] Apocalyptic : if you have never spent from it then nobody knows the public key yet
[2017-02-22 17:26:16] elmorte : GTmann: position size
[2017-02-22 17:26:19] Apocalyptic : so a QC cannot do anything
[2017-02-22 17:26:24] j8 : MikeHunt: it's a matter of effort though. if you can make them spend more than their entire budget on something trivial, great
[2017-02-22 17:26:30] GTmann : elmorte: thanks, im trying to put excel on this
[2017-02-22 17:26:36] MikeHunt : j8: quantum computers
[2017-02-22 17:26:43] GTmann : its actually hard to know when your in the actual clear
[2017-02-22 17:27:15] elmorte : GTmann: actually, position value (in XBT)
[2017-02-22 17:27:20] j8 : MikeHunt: you think they're magical?
[2017-02-22 17:27:39] GTmann : ok sorry im so noob, so even the realized PNL is not accurate then
[2017-02-22 17:27:51] startChat : Apocalyptic: since QC is an abstract technically it could guess all private keys
[2017-02-22 17:27:58] elmorte : it...should be @GTmann
[2017-02-22 17:28:07] j8 : a simple RNG can guess all keys
[2017-02-22 17:28:08] elmorte : swap or future?
[2017-02-22 17:28:15] GTmann : swap
[2017-02-22 17:28:25] elmorte : ok, did you factor in the funding?
[2017-02-22 17:28:35] Apocalyptic : startChat: this is non-sense, everyone can enumerate private keys
[2017-02-22 17:28:45] GTmann : i did not, i though it only mattered if you held position at time of funding
[2017-02-22 17:28:52] Apocalyptic : it's the public key -> private key map that is interesting
[2017-02-22 17:29:08] Sam : /sentiment
[2017-02-22 17:29:11] trollbot : Sell/Buy Ratio Sentiment Hourly: 51.52/48.48 Daily: 42.31/57.69 Weekly: 43.34/56.66 Monthly: 47.42/52.58
[2017-02-22 17:29:15] elmorte : GTmann: that is correct...and also one of the FAQs so that's why
[2017-02-22 17:29:56] MikeHunt : j8: i think they can crack just about any known encryption at the moment
[2017-02-22 17:30:06] elmorte : it should be correct...maybe a rounding error in display only
[2017-02-22 17:30:35] GTmann : elmorte: thx, just trying to be safe and analytic with small $ first, less i noob yolo my stash away
[2017-02-22 17:30:45] j8 : MikeHunt: nope. well a classical computer can crack any known encryption, it's just that the complexity blows up
[2017-02-22 17:31:04] elmorte : GTmann: :thumbsup:
[2017-02-22 17:31:05] GTmann : j8: not per se
[2017-02-22 17:31:07] MikeHunt : j8: thats were a quantum computers comes in
[2017-02-22 17:31:16] j8 : quantum computers also have complexity. certain types of problems can be done with lower complexity, but others can't
[2017-02-22 17:31:32] GTmann : any cipertext with a key as long as the text will decrypt into all solutions
[2017-02-22 17:32:02] j8 : ok one-time pad is unbreakable
[2017-02-22 17:32:15] MikeHunt : if intelligence services want in and they have access to quantum computers, they will do it
[2017-02-22 17:32:24] MikeHunt : not necessarily to destroy the currency, just monitor it
[2017-02-22 17:32:25] j8 : but we're talking about crypto in practice
[2017-02-22 17:32:29] GTmann : i heart you guys
[2017-02-22 17:32:55] Apocalyptic : j8: OTPs are still used in practice
[2017-02-22 17:33:00] GTmann : i mean i have a job too, lmao back to work, yall kill it today!
[2017-02-22 17:33:05] Apocalyptic : though very marginally
[2017-02-22 17:33:17] j8 : Apocalyptic: yeah, there are weaker links in those systems
[2017-02-22 17:33:33] Apocalyptic : indeed
[2017-02-22 17:34:12] mutato : wow that swap fee, i guess il scalp short lil later if we arent making new highs
[2017-02-22 17:34:19] j8 : MikeHunt: again, they're not magical, and if they were, they don't exist
[2017-02-22 17:35:40] MikeHunt : j8: u dont think quantum computers exist?
[2017-02-22 17:36:00] Sultan Pepper : "There is only one computer more powerful than me, but i don't know who it is because I haven't created it yet."
[2017-02-22 17:37:51] rapidtrades : deep
[2017-02-22 17:39:20] cookielito : Thank god this thing wants to actually friggen move
[2017-02-22 17:39:54] j8 : MikeHunt: they exist but they're probably decades away from doing crypto
[2017-02-22 17:40:27] j8 : if someone has one that can do crypto today, the world is f'd, not just bitcoin
[2017-02-22 17:41:02] j8 : bitcoin could probably fork faster than every bank and missile control center updating their software
[2017-02-22 17:41:45] MikeHunt : j8: if the government were doing it to spy on it, they wouldnt tell us
[2017-02-22 17:42:42] ross : Would some kind soul buy the 1120 wall thanks
[2017-02-22 17:44:40] Wings : /price
[2017-02-22 17:44:41] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1135.18 (0.8%)
[2017-02-22 17:44:41] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1131.0 (0.38%)
[2017-02-22 17:44:41] trollbot : GDAX: 1131.91 (0.23%)
[2017-02-22 17:44:42] trollbot : Kraken: 1125.88 (-0.06%)
[2017-02-22 17:44:42] trollbot : OKCoin: 1109.49 (0.16%)
[2017-02-22 17:44:43] trollbot : itBit: 1130.94 (0.11%)
[2017-02-22 17:46:22] cryptobull : /moon
[2017-02-22 17:46:27] cryptobull : hmm..
[2017-02-22 17:47:22] ross : Nobody wants to buy at this price lol cos the obvious is going to happen
[2017-02-22 17:48:02] cryptobull : ross: what is that?
[2017-02-22 17:48:17] ross : Begins with D
[2017-02-22 17:48:34] elmorte : D moon?
[2017-02-22 17:48:39] JT : dramatic increase in price?
[2017-02-22 17:48:44] cryptobull : stamp going for it
[2017-02-22 17:48:50] ross : /wall
[2017-02-22 17:48:51] trollbot : BitStamp Wall: Asks: 1138.00 => [855 Ƀ] (-29.28%) <= 1168.00 Bids: 1102.09 => [532 Ƀ] (-10.74%) <= 1132.94
[2017-02-22 17:48:51] trollbot : BitFinex Wall: Asks: 1131.8 => [3640 Ƀ] (18.99%) <= 1161.9 Bids: 1101.4 => [1106 Ƀ] (-9.42%) <= 1131.6
[2017-02-22 17:49:15] ross : hopefully people on finex can do the same
[2017-02-22 17:49:16] .. : geeeh finally 1120 here
[2017-02-22 17:49:19] JT : i added 1.2k at 1120 (fomo)
[2017-02-22 17:49:32] hmmm : lol can you make like 300% swap interest in a year here in a btc bull market on 1x short?
[2017-02-22 17:50:07] ross : Well done guys, wall is broken. Let's moon
[2017-02-22 17:50:12] Sultan Pepper : hmmm: it changes
[2017-02-22 17:50:20] Sultan Pepper : and is sometimes neg
[2017-02-22 17:50:37] jung1 : I think that this pump is because of insiders knowing something about ETF
[2017-02-22 17:50:40] Sultan Pepper : hmmm: ask rapidtrades
[2017-02-22 17:50:54] j8 : it's been more like 50% p.a.
[2017-02-22 17:51:04] j8 : as of a couple months ago
[2017-02-22 17:51:13] j8 : haven't checked recently
[2017-02-22 17:51:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECH17`: sell 70 @ 0.024429
[2017-02-22 17:51:32] fulrik : /price
[2017-02-22 17:51:32] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1134.82 (-0.03%)
[2017-02-22 17:51:32] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1131.7 (0.06%)
[2017-02-22 17:51:32] trollbot : Kraken: 1133.33 (0.66%)
[2017-02-22 17:51:32] trollbot : itBit: 1131.37 (0.04%)
[2017-02-22 17:51:33] trollbot : OKCoin: 1109.49 (0%)
[2017-02-22 17:51:33] trollbot : GDAX: 1131.89 (0%)
[2017-02-22 17:51:43] hmmm : not too bad for low risk
[2017-02-22 17:51:47] .. : i dont believe the few people at SEC who know something would risk that stuff for some coins, but maybe im naive
[2017-02-22 17:52:26] rapidtrades : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/audio/2017-02-22/balchunas-on-whether-a-bitcoin-etf-will-win-approval-audio
[2017-02-22 17:52:26] j8 : hmmm: it could also be -50% in a bear market, who knows.
[2017-02-22 17:53:22] jung1 : ..: Its billion dollar market
[2017-02-22 17:53:22] j8 : hey they're talking about us
[2017-02-22 17:53:55] jung1 : j8: #fame
[2017-02-22 17:54:05] rapidtrades : http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bitcoin-prices-touch-fresh-3-year-high-2017-02-21
[2017-02-22 17:54:09] .. : still risky
[2017-02-22 17:54:12] bingbongfly : new high on BFX!
[2017-02-22 17:54:15] .. : finex new high
[2017-02-22 17:54:16] bingbongfly : 1135
[2017-02-22 17:54:17] bingbongfly : :D
[2017-02-22 17:54:23] cryptobull : 1135 finex
[2017-02-22 17:54:41] .. : fomo
[2017-02-22 17:54:49] bingbongfly : yea
[2017-02-22 17:54:57] sleger : organic growth
[2017-02-22 17:54:58] bingbongfly : market buy ---> cold storage
[2017-02-22 17:55:16] jung1 : but we are sooo bullish
[2017-02-22 17:55:25] jung1 : that drop today
[2017-02-22 17:56:11] mendax090 : /price
[2017-02-22 17:56:12] trollbot : Bitfinex: 1132.0 (0.03%)
[2017-02-22 17:56:12] trollbot : Bitstamp: 1135.53 (0.06%)
[2017-02-22 17:56:12] trollbot : GDAX: 1131.75 (-0.01%)
[2017-02-22 17:56:13] trollbot : Kraken: 1133.73 (0.04%)
[2017-02-22 17:56:13] trollbot : OKCoin: 1108.39 (-0.1%)
[2017-02-22 17:56:13] trollbot : itBit: 1132.48 (0.1%)
[2017-02-22 17:56:18] mendax090 : Holy Cow!
[2017-02-22 17:56:35] cryptobull : shorts rekt any moment now
[2017-02-22 17:57:12] mendax090 : Is anyone buying ETH/BTC right now?
[2017-02-22 17:57:14] .. : Mark needs to catch up
[2017-02-22 17:57:24] thomaskikansha : whale longing
[2017-02-22 17:57:37] thomaskikansha : much hidden orders
[2017-02-22 17:59:15] sleger : this mark price being way low is a great way for anyone to still get cheap coins
[2017-02-22 17:59:43] sleger : it's not too late rapid
[2017-02-22 18:00:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 41 @ 0.011150
[2017-02-22 18:00:13] bingbongfly : mendax090: nooone, every short it
[2017-02-22 18:00:38] bingbongfly : thomaskikansha: I love shorting alts btc ratio during bull run
[2017-02-22 18:00:44] bingbongfly : great way to increase your btc stack @thomaskikansha
[2017-02-22 18:01:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: sell 100 @ 0.011060
[2017-02-22 18:01:25] thomaskikansha : yeah both eth and xmr got decent drops
[2017-02-22 18:01:40] MikeHunt : mEth is bad 4 u
[2017-02-22 18:01:41] bingbongfly : thomaskikansha: not their fiat value
[2017-02-22 18:01:50] bingbongfly : thomaskikansha: their fiat value has increased
[2017-02-22 18:01:55] thomaskikansha : yeah the btc pair
[2017-02-22 18:03:10] m3s : eth getting rekt
[2017-02-22 18:03:52] BTCDJS : 880 any day now. Dont listen to shrek @rapidtrades
[2017-02-22 18:04:38] sleger : "rapidtrades: ATH doesn't matter"
[2017-02-22 18:04:43] sleger : saving for posterity
[2017-02-22 18:04:50] jung1 : BTCDJS: really or trolling?
[2017-02-22 18:04:50] JT : my trading strategy is inverse rapidtrades
[2017-02-22 18:05:15] n00bie : short now and reap the rewards
[2017-02-22 18:05:37] sleger : short now and reKT the rewards